Landmark Forum spokesperson on CBS News Los Angeles
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Landmark Worldwide spokesperson Josselyn Herman-Saccio appeared on KCAL CBS News at 2 to speak about how language and our interpretation affects our lives. Landmark Worldiwide produces the Landmark Forum personal development course.
No course can solve problems. You can. But I can confirm that these courses are excellent and a great help. I attended them 20 years ago, and they are still useful in my life. Landmark certainly is NOT a cult.
+fleurpilager - and your doctorate of what? What are your credentials? How many landmark courses have you attended? ( complete curriculum ). Sounds like none!
The Landmark Forum series is the single most impactful course I have taken. It has changed my relationship with my family, friends and collegues for the better. I live a more vibrant life because of it's teachings.
Many of my friends have also taken the courses and love them too. None of us work or volenteer for the program, we just have a passionate and exciting life as a result of the work!
Adeline Arjad You and me both, my dear!! I did it when I was 32 and that was 32 years ago! I have had my own business for the past 29 years, thanks to Landmark Forum!!
Did the forum and advanced course. And have healed my relationships with my family and friends. And am now pursuing my life long dream of acting! Thank you landmark!
Haha I have literally been to and scene exactly what landmark has to do offer and for the most part it's a bunch of money making schemes that Pat the backs of many low self-esteem individuals who want yo talk about their issues. They separate families and friends. Use their own language. They have courses on Integrity that give u pressure to attend otherwise you are no good. making you believe that miss already previous engagements like visitation with your child is necessary to learn how to be in integrity through their course.. haha so be out of integrity in your life do u can be there in your only hope of integrity course. Haha can't stand these robots
@@dpalace7249 how is that your response to someone who ACTUALLY sat through it and had super positive results from it? She just said how great it was for you and you come rushing in to shoot it down. What a loser. skeptics are the worst. Haters gonnna hate.
BellaLola26 WONDERFUL! I did the Landmark Forum 32 years ago! What a blessing! Wish everyone did it!!
How's acting going?
She made some good points and gave some good examples, it just creeped me out how she would tilt her head and smile all big and robotic at the end of every answer she gave. It looked a little too forced, idk
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....
The communication during this event seemed "forced" because there was a very short timeline to deliver a very complex communication and she was very committed to creating an understanding about what she was speaking about in a very few words. It was extremely hard for her to fit in all she wanted to say.
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You said "She made some good points and gave some good examples"
If you focused on just the good points she made what difference would that make for you?
Consider that we all have our moments when we show up with a tilt of our head or a smile, all big and robotic... or so many other ways of being., we show up or appear to people as that way, or they see us as that way...
We do this every day. It get's in the way of communication and connection and who we really are for everyone.
Think about it.
it's because she's a cult member
Whenever someone says, "IT'S NOT A CULT!!!!"...it probably is one.
Jon B Learning to think for ones self is the first step to success in life. Don't learn that the hard way!!
Well as long as it’s making a difference in people’s lives, who cares, sounds legitimate to me
It's a CUUUUUUUULLLTTTTTTT!!!!
Usually a cult is an organisation that has one leader, quite the very opposite to a cult, they have several leaders and quite the opposite they want you to go out and live your life, loved doing the Landmark Forum and their other courses.
Y’all might want to look up in the dictionary what a Cult is because you don’t seem to know
Wait. So what’s it called if someone says, “It’s a cult!” Is it, or is it not?
I did the Landmark Forum in 1990. Looking back, having participated in the Forum and a few other courses they offer, I am extremely grateful that I took the plunge and trusted myself to give it a go. My relationship with my wife, my children, family and especially my work are a 1000% better than what I could have ever imagined was possible. I couldn't reccommend this more highly if you are interested in living a life you truly love.
This is a really sharp clarification of something that is sometimes difficult to convey. I've done many of Landmar's courses, and they have all been great, but difficult to describe. This really puts it in simple, understandable terms.
I attended the Forum early 2006. It was a very roller coaster experience and the "positive impact" lasted for maybe a couple of weeks. Looking back, if I had to do it all over again, I definitely choose NOT to. The approach in digging into people, exploiting the living crap out of them and creating a "hive-mind" environment is disturbing and cult-like. Any individual that spoke against the Forum, or expressed a negative opinion, where met with shallow responses/gestures from others.
Hi Mike i did the Landmark Forum in 1991. I never saw it as something having an effect on me, but principles that I need to examine and work upon. I can vouch for that it is nearly 28 years later the best training program I have attended, bar none. I am not actively involved with them in any way, was for a few years - but would still send anyone I love or care for to do the three-day course. I know some people who got excited and can come across as 'pushy' but the program itself is gold. These are possibly the very same people looking for 'it to have an effect on them'.
I don't know what is it that would have you use words like "hive-mind" and cult - it is a scientific program. I found their pricing quite low for the value they deliver and also in comparison to other programs.
@@vijayraman1002 I took the Forum and agree with Mike.
It is conducted as a one size fits all solution and indeed treats all the attendees as children who must all conform, like a hive mind.
I do not see why you cannot acknowledge that on one side of the coin, it has positive insights and on the other, that the methodology is manipulative, hard sell and cult-like.
The hard selling part of the training really pisses me off. 1st class hasn’t started and they were already selling the other 2 levels of training. Last day was a rip-off, the speaker spent half a day like a salesman pressuring us to pay and sign up for next level.
My thoughts on Landmark weekend I recently had. I think it was worth the $500. Therapy would be much more expensive and slow. The group aspect is key, you couldn't just get the insights if they were posted on the Internet. Talking together over an extended weekend was key. I saw my fellow forum members have big breakthroughs. Not sure I had one myself (yet). All the information makes sense and is logical not spiritual. Not a cult. I never felt creeped out and I'm that last thing from a "joiner."
Key teachings: Learning techniques to "get out of your own way," "free yourself from your past to create new possibilities in your future." How to have breakthroughs in your personal and professional life through "thinking different."
Of course they are selling something: participation in their courses. I felt free to pick and choose how much I wanted to "spread the word" and never felt pressured, some people might. They push that sharing is part of your own growth, and there is a grain of truth to that though it also dovetails nicely with their sales plan.
After the weekend you can go back and participate in free 'refresher' sessions, and take advanced courses which they do push but I personally never felt uncomfortable.
A doctorate in communications makes you an expert in your field, not a Landmark training.
Interesting comment, I have such a doctorate, however, Landmark works on a different level, such as "thinking that what you think is real" or "what's so vs. your interpretation." Definitely NOT part of the curriculum at the University of Miami.
@@ronsadaka Well that is too bad , if the U . of Miami does not offer PostModernism, Deconstruction or Phenomenology.
Those are fields that Landmark rehashes in a
simplified form.
Landmark expertise may contain areas not found in Doctorate level Communications courses but from my experience, it does not produce communications experts.
A doctorate in swimming will not give you the ability to swim.
My wife and I attend landmark as well as our 16 year old son and it has made truly amazing changes in our lives as well as the way we see and interpret ourselves and the world around us.
The real problem is, many who have attended and say it's a joke or a cult usually say this because Landmark has the wonderful ability to make us confront ourselves and how we're being towards not only ourselves, but others.
When we are confronted with that unpleasant reality, many can't handle it and blame Landmark.
Truth is, it has nothing to do with Landmark and ALL to do with how YOU'RE being.
Sometimes the reality about ourselves is a very hard pill to swallow and only the strong will have the clarity to see it, the integrity to change it and make it to the other side.
Thank you again Landmark..
...and when you're all excited because the unconscious feelings you had were unearthed by the constant pounding against the "voices in your head" by the Forum Leader, all the euphoria will be channeled into making you sign up your friends and relatives into Landmark... and you will sign up for the advanced cour$e... or the "selp".. or the assist program... the "wi$dom" cour$e...
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I also stand by my impression that there is AT LEAST 50% pitching at the seminars.
But let's not have a "right or wrong" discussion...
All I'm trying to do is enroll you in the possibility that there is an inspiring life completely independent of Landmark waiting for you... with complete freedom to choose vanilla or chocolate icecream for whatever reason! :)
That took me right back to that hotel conference room.
It was a waste of my time and money.
I was fortunate to work for a company that paid for me to attend Landmark & the Landmark Advance courses when I was 18. It was challenging and of course there were skeptics in attendance but looking back now that I'm 24 it's had a huge positive impact on the way I view the world. I didn't like how I felt pressured to keep going to the other courses which I didn't but I understand now what they were trying to do..get you used to making and keeping commitments no matter what which is a RARE trait
😂😂😂😂 Bullshit..
Our "meaning making machine" is not as stupid as Landmark wants it to be, and there also is a lot going on in the world and inside of us that is just really beyond words.
We don't need to "peel an onion" to get to some deeper truth inside of us, like we don't need to peel of your skin because your organs need to breathe.
You are OK. You don't need this invasion.
I agree that Eckhard Tolle can be an alternative, at least he is not going to push you over the edge to bring your grandma.
thank you for changing my life for the better!!
Welcome to hell.
@@jab7168?
Landmark Education is the one thing that has made the most difference of all the things I have ever undertaken in my life. The number one.
Landmark never "told me what to do" or "Told me what to think"
No one tried to make me do anything, not for a second. I was and always have been, under my own volition to do what I please and to live the way in which I chose to --- always.
Landmark DID give me some ideas, some "distinctions," and when I apply them to areas of my life that are important to me, increase my positive experiences (do what I want in bigger better ways), and reduce my negative experiences (less stuff that makes me unhappy or unfulfilled). ----- Given this, I would say that Landmark Education is a valuable experience. Duh.
could have done that yourself if you had a bit of will power lol
@@marcwymer8863 To be fair some people are not very smart or emotionally intelligent and they actually need to be taught basic self awareness from an MLM. I know that sounds sarcastic but I honestly mean it.
I am planning to participate in the Landmark Forum (three and a half day course) in June. Neuro linguistic programming absolutely works. We can transform our lives by transforming our vocabularies.
How to immediately spot the person who doesn’t understand science: “the latest study PROVES...” 🤦🏼♀️
She is a seller
Although I agree with the common opinion that the Landmark organization (& it's programs like Forum) behaves very like a cult, I think it has a very powerful therapeutic value. I was very desperate, almost homeless when I first took it. Over a period of time, I have signifcantly improved in many different aspects in my life. I plan to review the forum again this March after 7 years. Looking forward to it.
Scientology has powerful therapeutic value also.
Are you interested in taking some of their courses too ?
Landmark, like Scientology is a pseudo science of self-realization and can cause long term trauma and has led to suicides.
I would be very careful if I were you.
I have done the Forum and it is for sheep who have some breakthroughs but remain sheep essentially.
Isn't it funny how the impact landmark has is completely reliant on how vulnerable you are at the time you take it.
Thanks for sharing. 3 step process really works.
II recommended that a friend of mine attend the advanced course in London about two years ago having done this course in New York in the early 90's which was very challenging in a number of ways but also very interesting. The London course had been very watered down compared to what I experienced in NY. and my friend was very disappointed because I had painted a picture of something very stimulating.This is my takeaway form NY...positive: was exploring authentic in my relations with other people. exploring 'enrollment' and how to create a compelling vision of the future and goals which would draw me forwards, further distinctions between 'stories' and reality, identifying 'rackets' and trying to put an end to self indulgent judgmental narratives and attitudes. Negative: the detestable obsession of Landmark to pressure people into proselytizing and getting their friends, colleagues and family to sing of expensive courses, the lack of intellectual honesty and failure to acknowledge the sources of their materials (Buddhism, existentialism, Nietzsche etc...) and finally the brain washing tactics used...sleep deprivation, bullying attitudes of the course leaders and relentless pressure to sign up for more courses before having had time to digest the content of the one one was presently taking....the synthesis? A collection of interesting insights (all stolen) and for those who have not widely read in Eastern thought existentialism, gestalt and metaphysics well worthy to learn but too expensive cohercitive and dishonest. ONLY SIGN UP OF YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG SENSE OF SELF AND ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND PHYSICALLY RESILIENT! If you do go don't be conned by their insistence that 'intergity' is measured by how many people you get to sign up for course....i told them that instead of getting people to sign up other tasks and enquiries interested me more and since I had travelled all the way from Switzerland to NY before mobile phones had been invented and knew no-one in the city they were stumped. One last thing beware not to rush into painful confrontations with people in your past you may have some unresolved issues with Landmark push you to do this during the advanced course but they are not therapists and have no sense of how traumatic this may be.
I took The Forum in 1991, and am still using the information today. My recommendation if you are thinking about taking a Landmark Education course is to talk with people who've taken them, not listen to people who are afraid of them.
People should watch "Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus". They learned the lessons of Scientology and est, in that they established a business model that appears more benign, and less NRM-like, than it actually is. Toying with people and confirmation bias with sudden catharses and diluted existentialism strikes me as apathetic cruelty, a belief that self-actualization can be imposed upon others by force. That this is co-mingled with profit and marketing make it seem doubly cold.
blueelectricsmoke Cults are a place where you are taught some strange and bizarre ideologies. That has nothing to do with Landmark.
Landmark is devious: On the one hand you seem to be gaining "freedoms" while on the other hand you are induced into a complete uncritical acceptance of whatever the Forum Leader is saying.
Your gains go along with you ceasing to resist anything Landmark is doing, and they will do everything to make you bring in your friends and family. They make you advertise it as a constant topic of your "inspiring" everyday conversations.
Longterm gains beyond the signature "temporary euphoria" are unclear.
I can see you have already learned how to love others...
For a communication expert, I understood nothing.
Open your ears and your mind then
@@holeesheet2021 Well said!! : )
bakslashr that's because it doesn't fit your paradigm of what communication looks like... try again!!
@@holeesheet2021 what does that mean?
@@barbarajansen4912 communication is about conveying new ideas to people who don't share them. If the problem is with the listener, not the speaker, then is she really an "expert" communicator?
No, what Landmark is doing is undermining your ability to decide for yourself if you want to "enroll" people or not.
The technique applied is that the difference between "sharing the possibilities you have created for yourself with others" and "making people come in to do landmark" is dismantled every step of the way, even though the two strictly have nothing to do with each other.
Landmark undermines your ability to think- critical thinking is constantly framed in the most negative terms.
Yes, and most people who say bad things about Jonestown weren't there, either. Thanks for reading from the script Ellen.
Van Der Lay Industries Jonestown? This program has been around since the 80's... if it was a Jonestown we would have already heard about it by now!!
@@barbarajansen4912 and Scientology has been around since the 50's, what is your point?
Excellent examples of clear communication
I did the Landmark Forum in 1987. I wish EVERYONE IN THE WORLD would take this course! I've had my own business now since 1990. Would never have done it without the Forum!! And that's just ONE thing. There are many other personal goals like overcoming fear of doing new things, better communication, leadership skills, learning new things, less worry, and more living! Great program!! It's still here so I guess people are having miracles and breakthroughs!!
Josselyn was my Advanced Forum Leader, and she was fantastic. Bless her for trying to get Landmark into a five minute on-air segment.
Its a way to live a life that YOU love, the way to get the life that you always wanted for yourself. And sure, its confronting. But while cults take people away from the people in their life, Landmark brings you closer, and gives you your authentic self. Its an incredible experience, and graduates do amazing things - media examples include pre-apple Steve Jobs, Neil Patrick Harris, the creators of Lululemon, the creators of Pay It Forward, The Matrix. It makes results happen. Cynicism doesn't.
The two major issues I have:
1. These courses claim to solve all your problems - or at least a wide range. No course can do everything. Don't be conned. And why don't they show a syllabus before so you know what it is you are buying.
2. It isn't a single course. It just leads to more and more expensive courses being sold to you. If the course was that great, why do you need to do more.
Of course there's all the other rather dodgy sounding alarm bells such as the controlled environment it's delivered in, the use of long hours with no breaks, using rooms with no daylight etc. why subject yourself to this. Buy a book, go back to university, take a night school class, get out and enjoy life. Don't sit listening to someone who doesn't know you tell you you are a failure and need salvation that surprise, surprise only they can offer. It's a big scam.
+Pete Lowson do the the Forum and i give you my word...you'll take back what you are saying
+Pete Lowson The Landmark Forum, (the introductory course, for those who aren't familiar), introduces conversations which are rather unfamiliar to most in a group environment, in a "Landmark 101" sort of way. While it is extraordinary in the breakthroughs it makes possible, It is not even scratching the tip of the iceberg. One cannot expect to achieve some level of mastery in applying these new principles on top of so many years of unproductive and detrimental behavior and thought processes. To suggest that you can get all in one course would be akin to saying, "Why do I have to complete my degree in Chemistry and then get a masters and PhD? I took Chemistry 101 already!"
Secondly, Landmark does have a syllabus. You can ask for a syllabus of the Landmark Forum at any Landmark center.
It is also not true that every facility has no windows. The New York Center is located in the basement of a building, but used to be located in The World Trade Center before 9/11 and had plenty of windows. Many centers, including Los Angeles, as well as others among the 110 locations around the world, have windows, and the setting has nothing to do with the delivery or methodology of Landmark courses.
No Landmark leader would ever tell you you are a failure, as that is fundamentally unsound. Such a label would fall under the category of "The story about what happened" vs. the actual facts, as Josselyn so eloquently illustrated in the above segment. Additionally, there are structured breaks every 2 1/2 hours of every session in Landmark, including an one and-a-half-hour and everyone is free to leave at any point, although they are encouraged to attend the entirety for maximum value.
Books and school are incredible, strongly encouraged, and cannot be replaced. They simply offer a different sort of learning than one can attain at Landmark.
Pete Lowson Landmark Forum is like life. It doesn't come with a syllabus. The idea is to get people to live in the present moment and to experience the course as if it were life (it is). I did this course 32 years ago and for me it was a means of transformation and experiencing life and having tools to make life go smoother, less worry, more effective and more fun. And who can't use that?!
Pete Lowson also, I did many courses and seminars and enjoyed every one of them! Learned a lot about myself and others. If I thought it was a scam I never would have signed up for it and experienced the joys of what I got out of it.
I was in The Forum in August of 1989. It was the best investment of time and money I ever made. I'd recommend it to anyone (not to become complete or to be fixed - you're all right now and you're already complete), but to explore aspects of yourself and of life, that you're not currently or fully aware of - and, you're not even aware of your unawareness. The Forum offers an opportunity to engage in this exploration, in a context of integrity and possibility, for amazing breakthroughs.
there are a couple of really interesting and useful thoghts in landmark - e.g. "interpretation" vs. "facts", but those are all employed as sales pitches to make you come in a suffer from prolongued hard sale for unrelated things.
She is my LM Advance seminar leader and she is just amazing. Love you Josselyn :))
It is 45 hours long and 95% of it was filler they could have said what they needed to say in under an hour so essentially Landmark was a racket a business concerned with making money rather than making people better
Great video. The tools I learned in Landmark Education have allowed me to transform my life for the better.
Thanks for posting. I can "distinguish" that she is copying Werner Erhard style of talking. Very informative :-) . Landmark seminar leader train by copying other leaders. That is how they train. They will inherit the good and the bad. Thus they give up what is most important. Free will and the ability to choose. It is scary.
Lars Bergwik Yes, the language developed by Werner Ehrhardt is timeless. It's a tool for the graduates and sometimes gets thrown into the audience of masses who have not done the program. These tools are very useful and help people accomplish their goals.
@@barbarajansen4912 Interesting that instead of directly addressing the claim that the training
compromises free will, you just did a typical sell job.
Let me address that directly. I was put in touch with that I have free will - (which is way different from responding to my automatic feelings and thoughts) and the ability to access it freely in doing the Landmark Course.
I did the Forum more than 30 years ago and have not participated actively. It is up to you to discover and deepen the practice, but yes, they are one of the best courses around.
To waysgoose: Landmark Education is not a cult, and you are a goose. Landmark is an
enlivening and empowering seminar , teaches us so much about what bla bla artists we are.
By the way, I've found that most of the people who say bad things about Landmark, haven't
completed The Landmark forum!!...Ellen Faber
Goose alright
as soon as they have you somewhat destabilitzed, impressed or in touch with something intense... here comes yet another pass of the "bring your family in + sign up for the "Curriculum for Living" steamroller.
no problem: sharing your visions with others, honoring your word, being "authentic" in the face of the big questions of life - such as its meaning/lessness.
problem: psycho-social manipulation and coercion to make you bring friends and family to Landmark Education sales events
the moment you walk into the seminar room you are surrendering control - and after 3 days@14h, people loose track of that.
it's brainwash bent on making you advertize itself
Love landmark
why is it that when she asked that question I knew she was gonna talk about money. A sane person would think about happiness, not money.
+youtube booooooo Happiness is a very broad idea and is interpreted differently by anyone who is asked. Money is easier to define and use vivid examples of. I believe Josselyn was using an example everyone is familiar with and most people would like a breakthrough in.
So I guess you don't need money? I think she was talking about relationships more than money.
Seems a lot like that book... "Wish it, Want it, Do it"
Spot on.. #givethanks
its an absolutely fabulous studies .. I"m so grateful that I took all levels. not only I'm a devout greek orthodox christian but my story isnt "You hate me" I AM the possibility of "Unconditional Love Joy and The Magical" and that is the part one needs to understand thenthey wont view their story decision calling it a cult .. Its pur love and returning to cleaning the disk of "The Meaning of Your Life" to Love
Aurarisma you got it!!
cant believe ppl still r fooled by these jokers in 2017
How are they fooling us? Have you done any of thier programs?
Landmark courses offer continuing education units for many professions being a member of the International Association for Continuing Education and Training (IACET). Cults don't do that.
1 With all that communication training you could not produce a grammatically proper sentence ?
2. What law prevents a cult from offering continuing education units ?
3. Does it not appear strange at all to you that Landmark is continually fending off accusations of being a cult or cult -like ?
Landmark Forum, no facts but mind control. Trying to solve relationship problems in group setting and that is crazy. What you did is give landmark information about yourself which they will use to enroll you in more classes. It is about the money and yes there is some benefits. You could get the same benefit with a psychologist or a pastor.
You must have a sad life....
@@holeesheet2021 you attack everybody that has a different opinion about landmark,i think your the sad little human who needs to pay someone $500 to tell you how to be happy?lol
Speaks so well... And is so filled with crap ! I honestly hope not too many people fall for it, but I dread to see the stats...
wow, your so clear, I have just posted you on FB... I love the clarity
Gwendoline Ireland CS2 / 3
1) there is a difference between things that really happen and things one experiences sitting sleep deprived in a neon lit seminar room while being under pressure and talked at for 12+h for 3 days.
2) If the results were real and lasting - why would deception and manipulation (e.g. the pressure to make others come to the guest events or the 2h pitch to sign up for the "Advanced Course") be necessary?
Why would they have to run people over steam-roller style instead of setting them free?
Great Representation of the Forum!! This is only entry points to seeing how you can create a life you love
You're thinking boot camp in the Marines. Landmark isn;t anything like your description.
Let’s ask the questions!
What is the distinct different between landmark educations vs college educations?
1. Does it cost money? If so what’s the standard cost?
2. Does it have an impact on people life? What type of impact?
3. What’s the durations?
4. Most importantly why do you care if it’s good or bad?
(cont.) who can mentally detach and be analytical then you can learn a lot of useful things. Many people can't though and emotionally detaching at these things is next to impossible (its like standing in a wind tunnel). I told my sister I basically recommended against her going unless she really wanted to wherein I'd prepare her first. To many people get messed up, I was borderline but I've always been such a detached analytical type that I never get wholly sucked into anything. But I did learn
Whatever you do don’t believe in what you think is real! Believe in what these balls of slime tell you what’s real!
At about 4:25 in this video, it is amazing how she is uses what is available to her (Dave's saying "I am perfect") to bring out something very relevant to him!! Amazing
I attended four of these "large group awareness" trainings and staffed about twelve of them (Resource Realizations). They are a lot of good and a lot of bad. The good includes: a real look in the mirror, great and very honest feedback from others to you're face, and useful ways of looking at life..... the bad includes some questionable advice, they do in fact use mind control tactics (by definition), they implicitly tell you that their way of looking at the world is the right way, they bully
She repeats the word 'language' so many times.
Creating The Life you Love !
Step 1: Be of limited intelligence
Step 2: Be bamboozelled by a word salad
Step 3: Don’t believe your lying eyes
What is a Cult?
She's definitely creating a 'language' to help landmark to deepen their pockets
Orcas
If there is one thing I learned is: Never ask anyone how to drive a car who has never driven a car. If there's one thing people can learn about themselves is how their limiting beliefs only keep them stuck... in unbelief to the point of being cynical. It's a trap. Many people are already indoctrinated with lies, fables, and superstitions about people and themselves. The program is designed to get people to open their hearts and minds and go beyond these limited beliefs. Being stuck is no way to live. When you run out of ideas and nothing else works, do the Forum. I did it 32 years ago and it was the best thing I did in my entire life. I'm 64 now and have a good life, still self employed, homeowner, in good health. I tell you this because I would hate to see your young life go to waste by passing up an extraordinary opportunity to transform your life into what you want. I want everyone to have these tools. As you get older, they become even MORE useful. And you will never forget them. I hope you have a change of heart.
like landmark
When someone starts raving like this and not making any sense then you can bet dollars to doughnuts that they're in a cult.
It’s about your $$$$$
Mind control? :o Really?
What I've experienced was my mind went totally out of control. Yes, they put you under the pressure sometimes. Guess the only purpose of that is, that you really look "in yourself" and create "empty and meaningless place". Remember - there is much more pressure in the "outer world". How to cope with that creative way without knowledge and experience? So you need to get knowledge AND experience, right? Guess what is experience... ;-) And it happen in "controlled surrounding" where you are not "endangered".
But I strongly agree its not for mental unstable persons.
Good thing there are no mental health professionals on hand to determine who is and who isn't unstable.
"If it is not for you; you are probably mentally unstable...oh..do YOU think I said you were mentally unstable? I NEVER said that? You are hearing things...do YOU think you are mentally unstable?Why are you so angry?"
I was resisting and everytime I cut through the bullshit; they'd say I must be mentally unstable. First they love bomb you. Then they ghost you. It reminds me of the manipulation techniques of a favourite comic villain of mine. She said: First you find out what they want and then you give it to them. Once they are attached to what you've provided; you create a need they don't have. You give them a taste of it until they start craving it....And then you withold it from them unless they do your bidding.
In high definition... Haha
It's cult, and a scam.
2:26 oh so the just that sentence was preventing a 16 year long best friendship!
Dope
The seminar is free, but it is to at least 50%, if not more, filled with manipulative strategies to get you to sign up your relatives and colleagues to the landmark forum...
Keyword "Enrollment".
tomorrowstruth In case you haven't noticed: LIFE IS ALL ABOUT ENROLLMENT.
You have to "enroll" a potential employer into your ability to do a job you apply for. You have to "enroll" someone to go out on a date with you. You have to "enroll" people into your way of thinking so that the group understands what you stand for. You have to enroll others in helping you set up for a party or delegate a task. And you have to, in the future, enroll into programs like Medicare and Social Security. The distinction called "enrollment" means that you are offering VALUE to someone should they accept your invitation. LIFE IS ALL ABOUT ENROLLMENT and sharing value with others.
If this is Hi-def, why get a copy if someone used a low-res camera?
Harvard Business School did a study (available online) about it and found it wasn't. But it's only Harvard Business School.
...and your credibility on this matter is...?
Nobody "fails the landmark forum" But, You've already failed. Its not about some right not to like someone. (Did you really need permission to not like someone.) It is about the reality that you create when you decide not to like someone. What she is saying is her mean old grandma didn't even exist except as a construct or a notion. The moment she took ownership or responsibility or quit RESPONDING and telling the "mean old grandma story" she found that grandma wasn't mean at all.
1. Glad I was able to teach you how to spell properly.
2. Addressing this point instead of insulting me would of made you look more intelligent (trust me, you need all the help you can get based on your previous comments.)
3. I am still not sure why your opinion is valid? Please do inform me what credibility you possess that entitles you to make that comment, and for anybody with a grain of intelligence or more, (based on the evidence of your comments, not you) to take you seriously?
I hope there is landmark forum in my country.
some leaders are definitely not responsible according to my experience, and will do just about anything for money, and keeping the business growing. Most of their principles are taken from Buddhism, look at SGI, which is free. People like to pay for things. I experienced both of them, and so far Buddhism cares about your transformation. Not so much landmark as it's business oriented, making you bring your family, a bit strange!
+Mimi Newlove Soka Gakkai International, also a cult.
MP Prod as a Christian, I found universal principles in the Landmark Forum. As a bible student, these principles are free to all. The problem is that people are already programmed by limiting beliefs and a lifetime of indoctrination from a variety of sources that keep them stuck. Landmark gets people to discover who they really are and that is an amazing experience.
(cont.) people, and in the end some people get mentally messed up bad. They break you down and then build you back up, by installing their principles into you. One interesting thing is the "love bombing"... you will feel a lot of affection and love at these seminars and it feels emotionally great. But the seminars are dangerous in a way that people don't know what hit em cuz it all seems so innocent... but if it didn't seem innocent they wouldn't get away with it. If you're the kind of person
@farleygranger shit's changed son
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Really, though, it's changed a lot.
What a creepy paid slot
(cont.) you're the kind of person who wants to suck up all the good info out in the world, get a jolt put into you to really shake you up, and most importantly can mentally detach then maybe you'd want to consider these seminars. But be warned, they are very dangerous... it all seems ok but people never know what hit em, even me, and I'm someone who was able to detach a little and analyze a bit but some people man, that Kool Aid gets deep... One interesting thing is the "love bombing". You will
toddmg in my experience of years of training and Forum, I've never found anything but great insight and experience in training for living.
This wonderful I'm a landmark graduate.
All the for's and against's below are totaly predictable.
Here's a physical example of why.
An individual develops diabetes mellitis, based on how their physiology reacted to their lifestyle. They experience the trauma, and decide to take responsibility (yes diabetes can be reversed...although bigpharma doesn't want you to know that).
You are cured...so you then (naturally) want to let other people know so they can avoid your experience. The likelyhood is, they dont have the same predisposition (the diabetes gene perhaps?) than you did, so trying to persuade such people to follow your lifestyle, will result in exactly what happens as depicted below.
"Yes its great"...No, it is a cult".......
Im a fitness expert , and nothing gives me more satisfaction than to pass on my understanding...FOR FREE.
Brian Fletcher- some people can't even begin to get to fitness until they have a revelation. Landmark helps expose our own weaknesses and brings about self awareness. The realization that a healthy life style will produce a happier life becomes a possibility. Just saying you need to workout will not motivate most people.
It also charges exorbitant fees which can in itself be quite a revelation. Just another branch of Werner Erhard practicing the ways of sophistry. Ie ,selling priceless information. Curious now we are living in the information age.
Fleur Bandito It is erroneous to say "they don't need to be told" etc.Ive studied such groups for decades, and I can say there is a big demand.Like many such pursuits,reality is found through a process of elimination.These guys specialise in providing very expensive delusions.
1st hand experience
Psyche pollution. Landmark is a cult.
This is cult mind-control 101.
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1. It's psuedo, not sudo.
2. I Googled Jesus. Is that conclusive proof he existed?
3. Your subjective opinion does not equate to objective truth, and the experiences of millions of others who think you are very, very silly indeed.
It's the fear that they will lose themselves (they won't - it has a "my life of bs"-back guarantee).
Primerica loves Landmark.....go figure!
@farleygranger TOTALLY untrue that they don't want you if you're poor. Completely untrue. These are people who are fully committed to creating a world that works. And it costs money to deliver these programs. It's as simple as that. I'm sorry to see this post, as it potentially keeps this information from individuals whose lives it could greatly improve.
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She is crazy.