M18 vs Makita's New Chunky Mid-Torque: If You Buy 1 Cordless Buy This XWT17
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2021
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For tool only, currently a steal: amzn.to/3BL83Xn We can definitely recommend this impact. There's some additional little things like the hog ring and lighting which are sort of sub-par we'll touch on in the high torque video. But as far as a mid-torque goes, if you had to buy one cordless impact wrench to sort of "do it all" we can't think of a better one right now than this Makita XWT17Z although the Milwaukee M18 2962-20 comes quite close due to size advantage.
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The extra power on the Makita is great but If it takes 15 seconds a nut the Milwaukee guy will be done having his third beer by the time Makita finishes. For a mid-torque I'd rather have the quick hit than wait for the build up. At that point I'd be reaching for a High torque thinking the power isn't there.
That's a bit of a misconception with our graphs. We're tightening, so building tension in the bolt which is translated to power by the gauge. Nearly every tool we test is going to be best at 15 seconds, because it's building tension for 15 seconds like a skidmore. But a tight bolt that starts out at a high torque level is not like that. What should be looked at on the graph is what torque levels each tool has an advantage. On a 450ft-lb bolt (or equivalent to this machine), the Makita will take it off faster overall. A 150-250 ft-lbs bolt the M18 may likely take it off faster due to battery communication and impacts per minute we assume.
The Milwaukee guy will also get a new tool sooner. My experience is that faster, stronger, lighter, smaller etc not always mean better in a long run....
Can't forgot how much smaller the milwaukee is too, for how close it is I'm still impressed how well the milwaukee kept up to that chunky unit
@@TorqueTestChannel Isn't that the point though? Mid torque... All the bolts you target with a mid would be at the 150-250 range. The Makita is saying I'm good at the super strong bolts, but am a mid torque. It's seems like your using a sledge hammer instead of a roofing hammer to pound in nails. Same result, just not the right tool for the job.
Will the Milwaukee charge 2 of the 5a 18 volt batteries in 45 min or less and play a tune to let you know they’re charged?
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
I like how you update the comments on your ranking table. Telling us how the tools work out in day to day regular use is very helpful. It's one thing to test something when it's new and another, more valuable lesson, to see how it performs over the long haul. Excellent stuff.
I own dozens of tools from makita milwaukee and dewalt. They're all great really. You can't go wrong. But makita gets my nod for comfort and longevity under hard use.
That's what no one can test... reliability in the field. No one can touch Makita except Hilti in some cases... at a lot more cost
@@travisjazzbo3490 Hilti is kind of like Benchmade knives. You're paying for the warranty in the initial purchase price
Nah, Mikita doesn’t survive in my plumbing world. Dewalt never did, those tools are for builders in the drill/driver/impact driver departments. I use dewalt breaker/hammer drills on mains electric, broken multiple dewalt grinders, so stopped buying them years ago...Mikita saws reciprocating,jigsaw be ok (but I got the Milwaukee, non D grip), and circular saws, Milwaukee for hand drills, grinders, but I will add the Bosch blue gets an honourable mention.
@b gg I had to decide between Makita and Milwaukee when I forst dtarted out buying battery powered tools two years ago. If Milwaukee weren‘t that ridiculously expensive where I live I probably would habe gone for that, but for now it,s Makita. My 12V tools might be Milwaukee though.
Plus Makita isn't owned by a Chinese conglomerate like DeWalt and Milwaukee.
Love that you're doing these videos to actually compare and create some sort of standardization since it's so hard to find any actual comparison videos.
I have a request for an impact that's overlooked a lot though, and that's the Kobalt Corded Impact Wrench. It's a pretty good deal, but it's ignored all the time because it's corded and bigger and heavier. I would love to see how it compares to the battery models though. It's only $150 but usually goes on sale, and can be had for $100 if you buy at the right time. It's brushed, corded, and huge, but comes with a hard case and a set of impact sockets, and it claims to have ~350ft lbs of torque but pretty much everyone that has one thinks it easily has more. Would really like to see it tested and compared since it's a good budget option for what you get.
I’ve been cutting foam insulation with an adhesive back to fit inside the battery well of the Milwaukee tools. When I slide the M18 battery on it compresses the weather stripping and provided a nice tight seal. It conforms to the shape of the battery. It’s been working well!
Love that you drop a video on my break time.
I've used a lot of brands of cordless tools and I feel like where Makita really shines as a brand is in durability. I've dropped my impact off ladders, gotten it wet, kicked it, used it as a hammer, just generally I've never been nice to it and it still works just as good as when I got it years ago.
I'm in the market for my first mid-torque impact. You my friends have received a subscriber.
Thank you for another awesome video. I’m really glad that you are doing this type of stuff. It’s original and very useful.
Great channel! The rest of these tool test channels, especially those with 2 hour live tests (mostly to make money via Super Chats) should take note of how you’re bringing a fresh, clean and concise look to the old and tired testing.
I've never noticed that Makita wobble joint before. Very interesting & unique feature for sure!
Still rocking with milwaukee just bought a mid torque can't wait to use it in the shop
Been waiting for this video for a while. Looking forward to the next one as well. Keep up the good work.
Glad you did this new makita mid torque. It should def perform best since it’s heaviest in class.
Milwaukee Fan Boy if their tool wins: "Fuck yeah! team red!"
Milwaukee Fan Boy if their tool loses: "There is more to a tool than just raw power bro!"
Every fuckin' time.
Yeah, longevity. Milwaukee fails there too
Milwaukee is just the best in all areas. Best to just accept it and move on ;-)
@@89dhvac except build quality, and long-term use...
@@danielware4316 I was originally being facetious, but since you mention it, in my experience they really are tip top in terms of build quality and long term use. :-) ymmv of course
@@89dhvac tear both apart, and look at the internals. It talks for itself
This video single handedly sold me on Makitas line. The high torque values made me not feel it necessary to buy a high torque, and it turns out the impact driver takes my lugs off easy enough.
Thanks for the tests and video. In case it hasn't already been suggested, how about using the manufacturer's marketing color in the graph? So in this case that would mean using red for the Milwaukee, and teal for Makita. I think that would facilitate the visual comparison.
Fantastic job again! Thanks for another beautiful video. 🙏
Now I feel better about my purchase of the xwt17z lol. It even came with a free Makita 5ah battery when amazon had that deal going on a few months back.
I like the addition of the db meter
Excellent review, I already have Makita 18V tools so this is a great reason to add a torque gun to my lineup !!!
As a Milwaukee 2962 owner, I am impressed by the Makita XWT17, both in its ability and features. That said, I still prefer the Milwaukee for its smaller size, and it delivers more power than the Makita for the first 5-7 seconds where you use the tool the most. But still, Kudos to Makita for building a very solid tool. Can't go wrong with either.
I agree. That extra oomph in the first 5 seconds is more important than hammering for 10+ seconds to make power
It's important to remember our graph is a bit backwards to what you might assume. The M18 has an advantage in those early stages AT those torque/resistance levels. At the equivalent to those 200-300 ft-lbs fasteners, the M18 would take them off faster. But the Makita, having more power when the resistance is higher at 500 ft-lbs ect will then take it off faster all things being equal. Because you meet that 500 ftlbs of resistance from second 1 when removing unlike this rig.
@@TorqueTestChannel that is very true. Thank you for the insight and perspective 👍🏻
I like that you added a decibel meter. crazy how loud an impact thats working actually is
I agree completely. The db produced is a factor when choosing a daily impact. In fact my daily was chosen not for power but for weight and noise produced, since that isn't something that can be worked around.
To everyone saying this new Makita looks more like a high torque, have you seen 4:34 ? 😂 The overall volume of the head is similar to the Gen 1 M18 mid-torque. It's definitely within the class specs.
Love this Chanel one of the very few i have the bell on for, Please test the Hazet 9012M if you can?
Makita has been a stalwart in the construction industry from day 1! Others have closed the gap but none have exceed their overall tool lineup and capabilities! I personally use Makita when building or remodeling homes and Milwaukee when working on my car! I purchased Milwaukee M18s for my son to get him started! Can’t go wrong with either one! I also like Hilti and the recent stuff from DeWalt and Bosch!
The new stuff from makita is really nice. Ive had the xwt15 for about 3 months and its amazing. It just feels better than the gen 3 compact fuel.
I have the Milwaukee line, but I do like how Makita has a through hole on their anvil and the shock absorption on their 1/2" drive.
This channel is def the best tool testing channel on youtube! Channel is going places
Project farm! That's the best ;)
Great stuff bud. Another good video for any prospective buyer.
Could you please do a test / head to head using the Dewalt DCF899? Thanks for the content regardless!
Great video as always. Love the last comment, "needs its own postal code" lol
Thank you guys for doing these great tests. I'm glad to see both sides put up some good numbers. Because unfortunately I'm already in the Milwaukee infrastructure and have too many batteries to buy a different company now.
Side Note: I had to use a 1/2" Socket adapter on my standard "1/4" Hex Impact Driver" (2850-20) from Milwaukee to break loose a 27MM nut from the drive sprocket on my Kawasaki Ninja. I wonder how much "Nut Busting" Torque the 1/4" Hex Impact Drivers have. The 27MM Nut has a torque rating around 97 FT/lbs but when when I say it was STUCK that's an understatement. I had a fully charged 6.0 HO Battery and I ran it till it overheated the tool. Pulled the trigger once more and it got the nut to break free. I chose to use that battery because of your video on Milwaukee Batteries. Thank you.
Again, thank you guys for putting in the work to come up with this information. If you have a 1/4" Hex Impact Driver around maybe throw a Socket adaptor on it and run it through your tests just to get an idea as to how powerful (or lack of power) they really are.
Keep up the good work.
Late reply but I have the same impact that chuck isn’t good for taking off say lug nuts or sprockets they can torque down good but not reverse they can handle max about 100 ft pound
over 20 yrs of Makita tool ownership and have yet to have any major problems, overall better quality than Milwaukee, even if the produce slightly more torque here or there , I will stick with Makita and the batteries last longer and don't heat up like Milwaukee's do, good video review
I’ve got DTW300, one down from this DTW700 or DTW701 depending on socket retention type. The features are very helpful I find, the auto stop is great when loosening to adjust. Variable torque settings, full power or progressive trigger pull. Overall quality of build is good. Had a 285 that finally died after 4 years of pure abuse, so I’m hoping the 300 is just as good. Like to see those 1, 2, 3 settings being tested to torque relativity.
Do you have a conversion table for the model numbers? What's the XWT19XVZ called in Europe?
I think the Makita driver your showing in the video is the DTW 700z equivalent for UK market, in that case I'll be buying one as my next must have tool purchase! 😊
I have a Gen II Mid Torque half inch and I know for a fact that with the 21700 cell High Output 6AH or greater the tool turns into a totally different beast. I dont have the capacity to test actual figures but my real world experience has been consistent. It would be nice to see a redo of the M18 Gen II with the High Output Cell . As one of these cells might just give the extra punch needed (as has been my case) vs getting a bigger (albeit much stronger) high torque. I do understand that torque output is primarily a function of mass and RPM but I cant help but think different battery sizes and capacities to be somewhat analogous with having different sized air tanks (CFM consistencies over impact time ) in the pneumatic realm
My go to gun in my box is still the IR 2115TiMax. I still find that reaching into tight spots, the air guns seem to fit much better. I use the battery 3/8 for easy to reach M6/M5 bolts but reaching down further into an engine bay the 2115 fits better 🤷
Would love to see what the Milwaukee gen 2 can do with a 6HO or 8HO battery. Pretty sure it be very close maybe more then Makita numbers.
I am a makita man. Thank you for this test. This tool in now on my list as I already have many batteries. A bunch of my friends are dewalt guys. Can you test the dewalt impact?
I have had a Makita high torque 1/2” drive torque wrench since they first came out with it.
The best way to tell the high torque model from the others is, the high torque model, for reverse you squeeze the top of the trigger. The mid range 1/2” & 3/8” use the push switch above the trigger like the drill.
My high torque cost $620 with 2 batteries & charger. That was an introduction price. My 1/2” impact will remove a 10 hole Budd rim, but it uses 2 batteries to do that! I have not run into anyone else that their 1/2” impact will do that. If my 1/2” Makita will not remove a lug nut, then my Chicago Pneumatic CP721 1/2” will not touch it either. Time to pull out my Chicago Pneumatic CP772 3/4”!
I love my Makita, it will break 1/2” NC grade 5 bolts in two pieces!
Hello from north east Montana.
10 miles from the Canadian border.
Awesome vid. Cant wait to see the high torque makita vs the high torque milwaukee!
Milwaukee kicks its booty
I'd really like to see a comparison of corded electric impacts to see how they behave compared to the battery powered ones. Just took a look at the HD website and the Milwaukee corded impacts are rated at only 300 ft-lbs compared with the massive numbers we see advertised for cordless. And not all of us are battery afficionados.
Can't wait for the results of the IR 2235TiMAX, I purchased one and got a free IR 1/4'' Air Ratchet free part number 105-D2. Been using it daily for 3 months now and love it.
Spoiler, the IR slaps
Can you test how using a battery adapter impacts torque? They make adapters to use one brands batteries on another platform. They seem like a decent option for someone who already owns the batteries for one platform, but wants to buy one or 2 tools from another, and I'd be interested to know if this has a significant impact for impacts.
I doubt it would make a lot of difference, theres no voltage conversion so no inner electronics, right? Seems it would come down to the quality of its inner conductors and the integrity of connection at the contacts. Im sure a really sketchy company could screw those things up but if its well made it should add negligible resistance which would be the only way it would affect output.
Im sure you know all this I would just suppose theres so many no name items like that sold it would be difficult to reliably test them. No reputable name products like that with reliable quality control exist because theyre stepping on the legit manufacturers toes by even being made in the first place. Which I guess is why you cant just walk into home depot or lowes and buy them.
I mean can you imagine the makita factory rep walks into home depot and sees an adaptor allowing milwaukee batteries to be used instead of theirs. Replacement batteries are a cash cow for these companies. Depot wants 229 for a 2 pack of 5ah lxts. Yet the same pair with a dual charger and their big lxt x2 leaf blower is 279 for the kit. Doesnt add up at all
I’m going with Makita. I already have the platform. Thanks
Great vid will you ever get to test the parkside and parkside performance impact wrenches sold in lidl In Europe
Have you made a video on the Milwaukee one-key repeatable torque? I want to put my torque sticks to bed and need to know if the one-key will set my lug nuts perfect via the app without worries. 👍
Keep up the good work!
Please, consider adding Astro Tools 1834 flex head 1/2 air impact to your suggestions list.
Any chance your chanel can try the Milwaukee M12 right angle impact vs the Kobalt 24v right angle impact? Thx for everything you guys do, love your channel.
For the wrist break test you should make something to mount on the handle (maybe a couple tri clamps going into a steel plate), and have that next to a pressure plate. It would give an objective number to it and it would be based on the actual hand position, so it should actually reflect reality objectively.
It sounds good in principal till you use these tools. The all jumble around differently. Makita pops back at you, Milwaukee is like a box of rocks, flex rotates about the axis
Are you able to test a Dewalt 1/2" Brushless impact? Thanks!
Its great somebody is testing the claims Of manufacturers keeps it helps keep them honest.
This video convinced me to get one, it's on its way 👍
I’d like to see how my Ingersoll-Rand 2135QTIMAX does (and see if the hose swivel and auto oiler I added are hindering it’s performance)...maybe in a few months when I won’t need it I can send it to you for testing.
All cordless impacts should have the wobble feature to save the battery. A couple of questions: Is the results spreadsheet available online? Any plans on testing Dewalt high and mid torque 1/2" impacts? DCF899 and DCF896?
Nice video, really great testing guys! Would be very interesting if you could compare the same gun but one with 3/8 anvil and the other with 1/2 to see if there is really a big torque loss in power. Btw keep up with the good work!
Okay we'll do that!
Watched another video about this subject and it was more the weight of the socket that made a difference. Even in 1/2" the heavier socket made a difference.
Yea the socket weight has a big difference. Example... thick, Honda 3.5 L crank bolt socket, from snap on makes all the difference in getting the crank bolt loose.
If you get a chance I would like to see the performance of an ingersoll rand w7152
I would love an explanation as to why you use a XC 5.0 rather than a High Output battery. Most people serious enough to look at data of tools will also be serious enough to buy a higher powered battery,
I had the big hi torque makita for a couple of years, it was a beast but my van was broken into and it was stolen with a bunch of other tools. So when I replaced it I bought this new mid torque for easier handling. The biggest chore it will see in the future will be Honda V6 crank bolts (seems to be a common benchmark among mechanics since the timing belt service is inevitable with this prolific engine) another youtuber reveals this is possible with a high mass socket.
Hopefully thats the case and I wont regret the downgrade in max torque. While the bigger hi torque was practical for lug nuts it was too big for the engine bay and a lot to hold.
I paid about $218 on amazon shipped, home depot wanted significantly more and didnt have it in store.
Replacing my stolen batteries is looking to be costly from any source.
Thanks for the comparison, I just purchased the Makita
Can you do an episode on difference in torque between deep and shallow, 12point & 6point, chrome& chro-mo, cheap China socket vs tool truck socket.
When are you going to drop the 3/4 impacts
I have the 3/4 aircat vibrotherm
Think is a beast
I haven't had any problems with it but my buddy with the 1/2 vibrotherm has sent his in 3 times to get repaired
Informative way of testing. Thanks
Would be interesting to see if the different size battery's make a difference
Do you think the longer handle on the Makita is to minimize the impact on the wrist? The farther away the heavy battery is, the more torque it takes to get it moving.
Can u test the high torque dewalt impact i juat got one an wana see if the numbers are even close to what they claim
The premium for the Makita tool is high compared to Milwaukee, which you get on promotions. I just got the 1/2 for 104. Hoping we can get the Makita on a promotion soon
I havn't had problems with my batterys being too loose to cause problems....but i know that it happens and its for sure not ideal. Newer milwaukees or atleast some have some rubber deals that the battery STILL ''wobbles'' but its all so that it doesnt break electronics. The Makita just does it different, so the connection is sturdy but the handle is sloppy. It'd be nice to just have a solid battery in these tools. It makes them seem cheap. which well, they are. Snap On has nice finish but lack luster in everything besides the price where its extreme.
You are the Bob Ross of impact wrenches.
Coming back from a current video, there have been way more improvement in the production quality than i could remember!
Do you still like that digital sound pressure meter that you used in this video? What is it?
I think the "OG" mid torque impact needs to be tested. The Metabo Germany SSW 18 LTX 400 BL. I believe it will be the smallest or second smallest mid torque you test. I also believe it's highly underrated by Metabo. It came out in maybe 2015, well before any of these others hit the market.
That really was one of Metabo’s few impressive efforts in recent years. And I agree, they have a history of underrating certain things. Oddly, I’ve found them to overrate their drills.
Was looking forward to this.
got confused for a bit when you use red lines for making and blue for milwaukee
Set up a rig where you like ziptie the trigger and hold the gun from the back and have a bungee from the side that the tool pulls on to test 'wrist breaking torque'
You guys need to test the flex Zilla stubby suppose to be rated at 800 break away found on Amazon for less than 150
Would love to see Hilti tested!
Can you try this Impact with a battery adapter and the Milwaukee 6ah battery with 21700 cells.
Patiently waiting for the first RUclips video on Bosch's new 740ft lbs (fastening) impact
Bosch seems to either hit the nail on the head or miss by miles nowadays. I wouldn't be interested in buying their stuff new anymore it's not really worth the risk
@@georgecroney6168 I have never had any issues with any of their tools. Sure, they're generally not the fastest or most powerful, but I find they always get the job done, and are super reliable.
Hi nice vid. what if you try to undo something that won't budge - can you damage the gun by keep trying? obviously would go to a breaker bar in the end but didn't know if can damage the clutch or internals etc . thanks
@TorqueTestChannel Did you end up putting "The Beans" on this?
Do you post your impact wrench ranking spreadsheet anywhere?
Good video. Hard to hear you though - might be me, but had to really turn it up.
You should test the high torque Makita XWT08
Not that it matters to the results but how do you make the M18 line blue and the Makita line red? C'mon Man!! Good info though, thanx!
Also remember, electric impacts get stronger with more use.
Is there anyway you could compare the sizes of the milwaukee mid torque to the stubby? If you have that video can you direct me to it.
On your torque range you have the color red on a makita and blue on a Milwaukee?
The easiest thing to do is wait for someone to release a tool and then another company simply makes one with higher specs and releases it.
That's what bk did. They let mcd do all marketing legwork then copy them.
Which is why I like the M12 line... batteries aren't in the way, forcing you to direct your tool in odd directions
How big of an issue is that battery vibration in real life? I'm torn between the Milwaukee and Makita. I like that the Milwaukee is a lot smaller, but don't want to risk my batteries.
My two favorite Brand's
Milwaukee is a better brand though
Hell no milwaukees dont last as long and I got em both
@@bigboy815s agree,and I own both.
@@operator8014 I own both .
Milwaukee def needs to step up their battery isolator game, this issue has killed some of my tools.
Guys at work warranty them out, they come back with a new clamshell as well as a new motor. I was extremely impressed
Never seen or heard of this issue before. Interesting.
Not a problem in 10 years of m18. Different story on my m12.
GREAT WORK AND AS USUAL.
FACTS....
it’s funny how you chose their colors on the charts based on the others actual color
Good vid but it kills me that on the graph you have Milwaukee in Teal.
I've got an Ingersoll Rand W7150 that advertises 1100lbs of "nut busting" torque, I'd be curious to see if it lives up to the hype on your dyno, how do I get it to you ?
Sooo will it loosen 16mm bolts torqued to 250nm? I couldn’t get the buggers out with a cheater bar and a meter extension pole!