Electric Family SUV Race To Vegas Finale! Pushing The Limits To The Finish Line
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- The family SUV Race to Vegas continues, and concludes! Mercedes EQS SUV, Kia EV9, Tesla Model X, and Rivian R1S battle it out across Utah through to Las Vegas. Charging challenges, range anxiety, and optimization all come into play in the epic finale.
Part 1: • Electric Family SUV Ra...
00:00:00 Part 1 Recap
00:02:30 Race to Vegas
02:01:00 Final Thoughts
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I can't wait to watch this even though I lived through it. Thanks for editing everything up so nicely, Jordan!
Great editing. Closing up to Top Gear :-)
was this a Rivian R1S GEN1 ??? will you be evaluating or getting a R1S GEN2 with the newer hardware.
The race to Florida had issues finding the end point as well. A better discussion of finding the end point sould be discussed on future races.
just finished watching the entire thing in one sitting! I love your content man. you have such great camera presence. my hero ngl
I feel like Kyle is betting on R1T Gen3 with 800V tech.
"It's so hot" says the guy wearing a hoodie.
“It’s 109 outside, it’s got to be 130 inside and 150 if you’re wearing a hoodie!”
I've noticed more and more people doing this, usually really young guys like Kyle. Just the other day, it was around 95 degrees, and I seen a guy walking around with a thick hoodie on..... with the hood UP.
@@Charlesbjtown crazy people
Loved it! My only critique is that this was, at the beginning, billed as a test of family road-trippers. There is no universe in which you can take a family road-tripping in those temperatures and turn off the AC. There would be a mutiny. A race rule should be that you have to maintain a comfortable climate at all times. For hilarity you should also hire some screaming kids in the back seat.
Spot on! Plus the random kid mess stop/ bathroom break.
ya, i was thinking they need to add weight to simulate 6-7 people total in the car. That would be more realistic of a 3 row family SUV road trip. Some of those SUVs didn't even have a 3rd row...
Update: Kyle said at the end of today's vid that the return trip would be as "normal" people would do it.
Or Kyle bribing people to give up their charger..
You can just program the audio system to say "Are we there yet?" at random intervals.
Can somebody explain why I never have time to watch a movie anymore. But watching 4 hours with EV Suv racing is fine? Asking for my girlfirend.
"Give a man an EV racing video and he won't have time to go out drinking with his buddies".
Same!
dont forget you watch loooong livestreams from some guy in Norway also :D
Sadly i love YT videos involving EV’s, True Crime and Financial topics than regular TV. Lol
Kyle in a super hot car:
"hoodie stays on ok"
I know he loves sweatshirts but I would have had a t shirt in 95 to 100 weather.
@@markfitzpatrick6692heat strokes are a thing
I would say the Tesla MX won by more than just 10 minutes!! It won by speed, comfort, no stress of range anxiety, and easy charging!!
That’s not how you travel. 15 to 20 minutes stops? I do actually when driving with other people do stops for 40 minutes since they want a bite to eat and make a toilet stop?
@@zeedustrakok it really depends on where your road tripping to…there could be more super chargers or less if really depends but I get with people it can be different!
@@zeedustrakokI do 8-10 minutes toilet and piss pauses mostly and they are really effective charging. There should be more 50kW chargers for 40-50 minute food stops so you don’t occupy superchargers overcharging. That would really make sense.
Its 5:45AM on Sunday in New Zealand. My son woke me up. Seeing this in my queue made me smile. So excited.
Next time a real race with required temperatures for air conditioning. Let’s see what real people will experience.
Plus, we have to go at least the speed limit. It's annoying to come up on someone going below speed limit.
@@CaliJerS15 No! It's a race! A race should be treated as a race, that's what makes these fun, wring them out to their limits so we can see the potential not some boring over charge and stop cruises.
The Tesla actually has the AC on all the time, didn’t coast behind trucks, bribe or talk people out of a faster charger or went to limp mode. They pretty much did a road trip as “normal people” would.
@@tazeatBoth. There is of course entertainment value. The Tesla actually has the AC on all the time, didn’t coast behind trucks, bribe or talk people out of a faster charger or went to limp mode. They pretty much did a road trip as “normal people” would.
Well done to the Rivian team! I’ll be the first to admit Dom and I screwed up our EV9 performance and missed the chance to get 3rd. This was my only race to Vegas and I learned a lot about optimizing EV road tripping!
How come you guys didn’t use all the tricks and use ABRP Premium? You mentioned using a BT LE OBD-II dongle so with that you could have had live SOC to a phone running an actual usable route planner. Now granted the EV9 profile is only at an Alpha level, but surely it would have added a second opinion to the built in trip planner.
@@skyemalcolmWould have been nice. Don’t have Premium and had issues setting up my account through iTunes/Apple. It served Ryan and Lacey very well!
Realistically that wouldn't have helped them much. They messed up a bit by not overcharging which is their biggest downfall. If they had just spent an extra 3-4min charging they likely could have saved at least 5min on the road easily earning them 3rd place.@@skyemalcolm
Did I hear you guys were using i-Pedal on the highway for a while? Why? Coasting is your friend on the highway. I-Pedal is for local city driving.
@@fleecystheking we mostly lived on HDA and adaptive cruise
To have 1 2 and 3 4 shows up essentially at the same times is amazing. Having them all arrive within an hour over a 12 hour trip is really good. It's basically the same experience.
“It’s 116F and we have the AC off” …. As Kyle is wearing a hoodie 😅😅
Max permissible speed 85, here's team Rivian doing 90.
Ryan and Lacey were cracking me up 😂
The Kia lost because of a bad route planner, and the X won because of the best route planner. It's not only range or charging speed. ...
....Can't wait for the return race.
I was shocked because the Kia charging ability is just so good.
@@yournumberonepal I kinda was too.
And the X is close to the price of the top spec Kia.
The young cats clowning Kyle when they were coming up on Vegas was hilarious 😂
@@user-rl6px5ob3d yes it was great to have Lacey along
People forget that the MX spotted the rest of them like 15 mins at the beginning.
Yeah, remember the train delay
Love these 'races' and all the tips and insight that come with it! Please do something similar to the inexpensive options (any vehicles under $40k).
That would be fun!
@@AK2COa non Tesla race would be fun.
40k would be smashed by a RWD M3, nothing even close to it at that price...
@@markfitzpatrick6692 they would have to do it on the other channel because “Out of Spec Motoring” is dedicated to only EVs
Just at 13 min now, with the EV9 in turtle mode. If the EV9 loses, it is because they didn't charge to 80% on the first stop.
100% agree, for the price, the EV9 is unbeatable.
@@stockey Only the poverty spec, above that and you're dangerously close to Model X money given the $7,500 tax credit.
I was waiting for Ryan & Lacey to tell Kyle & Drew that they might roll the windows down because it was so cold in the Tesla. And clearly the Model X won because they didn't need to drive 35 MPH, sit in over 100°, and didn't have to worry about a "charging curve." Great time like always, thanks.
Kyle and the rest of the Out of Spec Gang are such EV enthusiasts I LOVE IT!!! Thank you Kyle & Crew for a great video I wished the Lyriq was included I do understand that it was a 3 row EUV test :)
Maybe they’ll do a race with the Cadillac Vistiq when it comes out. Or the Escalade IQ. But the IQ is so much heavier the efficiency will take a hit and it will need full power charging to get through, but it does have massive range.
When I hear people talking about buffers in EGMP vehicles, i immediately think about Dave and the Ice Machine.
Damn what'd I miss?
By the way, Kyle, I know it’s your signature style, but I don’t think a hoodie with long sleeves and long pants is the appropriate attire for a trip through the desert at 100. Lol
Ever seen people traversing through the desert? They have thier entire bodies covered. How about people working outside? Same thing!
Exactly. Lacks common sense.
@@RayNLAcovered in extremely lightweight and breathable linen, not thick material that doesn’t breathe.
@@RayNLA robes in hot climates are made of thin cloth and are lose fitting to allow air movement. I have a set I bought in Egypt. Very practical to have your body covered but not mostly in contact with the actual garment
Love these videos, I think adding a mini progress bar on the bottom of the current places throughout the video would be amazing
I have always loved the OOS road trip vids. The race videos are an incredible update from the old road trip videos. Keep them coming, guys! Kyle, you must do a race video with your mom and dad in one of the cars. That...would be fun!
Easy win for Tesla as a no compromise car, never compromised comfort or performance, which is what 99% of car owners want and expect.🤷♂️ limping in with no AC is a serious no go for most.
"How do you help these people?" You keep creating great content like this. Four years into EV ownership I still struggle with range anxiety. Your videos of the race to Vegas will be extremely helpful for future road trips. Thank you so much for posting.
I think there should be rules added for having to use climate and keep it at a realistic temperature. This is doubly true for road tripping a family SUV. If you are going to do legs where mostly no A/C is being used on some legs it shouldn't be a road trip but called something like a Cannonball race.
Another luxury feature Mercedes has that no one talks about. Saunas!
Wow what a great race! Love these series. The ending was crazy, edge on your seat! Thanks Jordan for editing this movie
I would like to see the same teams run the race to Vegas again now that they know the quirks of their vehicles and learn from their mistakes. Would be really interesting to see how the results would change, if at all.
15:01 I love how Lacey arrives and immediately reads the instructions that everyone else ignores while they are complaining about how bad EA is. 🤣
Those instruction have literally nothing to do with the complaints people have about EA being trash
@@RedvinezYGO When a good percentage of failures are user error, I think it does matter. You can dismiss it if you want; I'm happy with my ~99% first-time activation success on EA.
@@newscoulomb3705 no one said user error wasn’t a factor but you are coping hard if you think that EA doesn’t have trash reliability, maybe it’s good in your area but we have tons of proof on this very channel of how dogshit it is
@@RedvinezYGO Those are two different issues, but if you discount the fact that user error can amplify the number of issues people encounter, you're also coping hard to support your own biases.
Yes, objectively, we know that EA's older hardware only has reliability issues with an 80% charger uptime (yes, that's bad); however, their newer hardware has close to a 97% charger uptime (much better). We also know that 9% of charging sessions fail on the first attempt, so user error might be a bigger factor in EA's perceived reliability than some people are willing to acknowledge.
If you want to use Out of Spec as a reference, how do you explain that their EVs relying on Electrify America consistently beat or are at least competitive with EVs relying on the Tesla Supercharger network? Do you also hyperfocus on the number of issues Out of Spec runs into on the Superchargers?
Either way, you seem to have really gotten away from my original point with my comment: Using the proper activation protocols will definitely improve your EA experience. That's it.
@@newscoulomb3705if we're talking anecdotes, as an EA user I've had bad charging sessions. Believe it or not, when using the Mobile App rather than plug-and-charge or tap-to-pay, you get different instructions. On EA's own website you see branching logic *at step 3* for either Swipe First or Plug In First. There isn't always exactly one way to do things. If you do it your way that's fine but that doesn't mean other ways of doing things are user error, especially if instructed that way by EA.
Kyle’s summary at the end is freaking incredible. Doesn’t miss a beat and you totally get it. Amazing
Congrats to the Model X and team for winning
I would kind of like to see a race to Vegas in 4 identical cars, where strategy is your only downfall or benefit.
Then Kyle would win because he has so much experience in how to optimize the driving and stops etc.
@@tomm5936 well obviously. But it would be a good test to their ability, and may be a good learning experience for everyone.
These races are more entertaining then the Indianapolis 500 to me. Keep it up.
Exactly, it is like Formula 1 in slow motion. XD I love them.
You shouldn't be allowed to turn off the AC, it isn't realistic, the X won comfortably
Exactly. No one drives with the AC off in a family road trip when it’s over 100F outside.
Turning off ac doesn't have any really significant impact at highway speeds.
Well TBF if they where actually road tripping and not racing your battery doesn't ever get that low that you'd turn off AC if you want a real normal EV Roadtrip id recommend the one Technology Connections did in his ioniq 5 with aging wheels or aging wheels polester2 vs Tesla road trip comparison
@@ExperienceCNit's ev impact on battery.
I never understand why the driver is holding the camera or using a phone when there’s a passenger who’s not involved in the actual driving who can hold the camera or the phone.
so many fingerprints on that EQ screen(s) lol
Man, they really did the EV-9, a disservice in this race 😂
You need to know the car.
Yeah, It was Max's first run to Vegas and he did not have enough time with the car. He was too eager to get off the charger and get on the road. He said they assumed that the Tesla charging method would work for the EV9, but they are totally different animals for sure. The Tesla's you keep them on the bottom of the pack and only charge until 50-60% and then move on to stay in the peak of the charge curve. The Hyundai/Kia's don't work that way. I thought they would pick up on that after the first crawl into a charger, but they did it twice. I think Kyle called it right when he listed how he assumed they would finish and said he thought the EV9 would be in second place. I think that is probably right.
Experience played a role in the order of finish. Can't wait for the return race.
Why in the world would you suffer 110 in the car or driving on the shoulder instead of spending 15 more minutes at one charging stop to put you over the threshold?
Bad calculations on our part in the Kia EV9. We had no idea the headwinds would be so brutal for us. Lot of learning
Those cheese tots in Green River looked tremendous!
At 8:43, we see the Rivian doing **90mph*** on the freeway. The energy consumption and wind resistance at that speed must be atrocious. Odds are if these folks actually did the speed limit, they’d see a ton more range between charges.
That’s why I got a Tesla, I like to take trips. Build in trip planner on Tesla is awesome. Took many 800mi+ trips.
Part 2 let's goooooooooo
Crazy to see trucks going 120km/h+ as ~87km/h is max in Europe.
Laughing at Kyle ragging on the EQS the entire drive and right as they’re pulling into Vegas goes “I’ve really fallen in love with the EQS” 🤣
Loving the series! Really excited to see the route planning return trip. The behavior seemed radically different even on this run
Jordan and Andreas are going to sit for 2,5 hours on J1772. Better bring some snacks! XD
Sad that the Rivian got neutered on its first stop at the RAN charger. I know its charging curve isn’t the best, but I figured it would come in front of the EV9 but behind the MX.
However knowing Kyle was in the EQS makes it the dark horse to win. That stretch to Salina bypassing green river is riskyyyyyy
I’m reminded why I drive a Tesla every time I watch one of these. However, the Rivian with Jordan and Andreas would absolutely be the most fun car.
I can't wait for Kyle driving vs Lacey supervising FSD race. THAT'S real world.
Hell of a race!
Next should be the EV6, Tesla, Polestar Hyundai Ionic 😊
What happens when OOS simulates a family trip: Just eating fast food, breaks are only allowed when the car needs energy and gets a quick top up, therefore there is the constant risk of being stranded in the hot dessert without power which wouldn't have a difference from the heat perspective for the kids as the air con won' t be running by 43 C/111 F.
And still it gives the best idea of how you should road trip and is serious consumer advice while entertainimg. Keep up the good work.
I am curious how the upcoming Volvo EX90 performs compared to these rivals.
In the 30's my Grandparents would travel from New Mexico to Southern California. They crossed the desert at night.
We did it in the 50s also
Kyle you need to revoke Max and Dom’s EV roadtripping cards
They are terrible 😂 and then they blame the charging
@@marcusrose5943never unplug when you are getting good charging. Rule #1
@@marcusrose5943max always blames someone else
@@markfitzpatrick6692it was your fault
@@iMaxPatten😂😂😂
it's better than most movies out in the theater these days
Congrats to the Tesla. Seems to me that the EQS could have won if it actually got the charging speed that it always said it was going to get.
Yeah...the Tesla only won due to having the best charging speeds all trip.
The rest were pretty unlucky, all the way.
Teslas charging wasn't perfect either. Solid win.
@@Awaks Nope, Tesla saw 250kW only once.
@@tauzN You are right, the X did not charge well for them at first. Ryan started paying attention about how low they let the SOC get since that car has known issues at the bottom of the pack. Worse yet Lacey had them take a different route out of the starting location and they got stuck waiting on that train. I agree with you it was a solid win. The second and last stops to charge were good, and Ryan made the right call to sit and wait a little longer at those charging stops. That turned out to be the deciding factor IMHO.
Very satisfying conclusion to The Race to Vegas!
Looking forward to the return trip.
Note: If I’m not mistaken, Kyle, you have advocated (correctly, I’d say) that manufacturers and consumers need to recognize the folly of ultra large battery pack. They add unnecessary expense to the vehicle, add unnecessary and unused weight the vehicle has to haul around every single day (and pay for that privilege as well), and rarely if ever come into any practical use for the vast majority of use cases.
Full disclosure: I drive a ‘21 Model 3 SR+, the slowest charging, shortest range, smallest battery pack vehicle in Tesla’s line up. I have driven this car across the US, and all over creation along the West. My wife drives a ‘21 VW ID.4 PRO, with similar battery pack size.
In other words, we walk the walk and talk the talk.
These kinds of vehicles are the future of EVs - affordable, practical, and reliable. They may not have the bleeding edge tech and specs that those ginormous SUVs have - and their price and accessibility to the average family reflect that.
Maybe some hero episodes heralding the benefits of these smaller battery packs would be forthcoming.
Thanks for the data. Good battery software management + charging infrastructure are really more important than the theoretical range & people should be educated about that.
The charging grid is improving super fast (number of stalls, high capacity & speed) so what we have here is the worst we'll ever have (& so much better than just 2 years ago).
Prices of vehicles & energy are going down fast.
EVs are the future AND the present already.
Tesla wins ❤
Nope😂 driver error
@@marcusrose5943 Kyle definitely knew that parking garage was tricky when setting up the end location 🤫 if you have to turn off your ac to end 2nd place that’s a big L 😂 all the screens in that tacky Mercedes couldn’t help them stay comfortable.
DOMINIC WAS RACING IN i-PEDAL??????????
This is what I come to RUclips for! More please! ❤
Love the way you edited and recapped this video. These are so fun and informative.
Only Kyle can demonstrate the wisdom of wearing a long sleeve hoodie in 100+ degree heat. 😂
Max and Dom really should consider charging longer in general lol
Absolutely!
It seemed like we had plenty at our last stop, we even did the math. But, nope.
Model X FTW
These are so fun to watch!
Love the road trip/race videos… entertaining adventure and they provide useful real world info about the cars we drive. I am hopeful another cannonball is in the works… though I know a lot to plan.
Me too. I think Kyle hinted at it when talking about the new Taycan. If they can get the charging to work to work it should be one hell of a race.
I love these! Kyle talking about massage seats at 1:50:44 was hilarious
I love these videos! Please keep them coming!
I think keeping the EV9 in the 15%-80% range, even if another stop needed to be added would have made a world of difference of keeping those 210kw charging speeds
It’s better to come in low in an E-GMP car. Of course they came in too low. You get full speed charging from you plug in until the battery gets too hot and throttles. They should be able to run full speed and then come in as close to zero as possible. What you charge to depends on what charging options you have.
I think it has less to do with the cars and a lot to do with the strategy they took to get to their destination. If Kia took the Tesla's strategy and just overcharge to take advantage of preconditioning and speed limits, no doubt they could have won. That's the difference from first to last.
I don’t think the Kia would ever beat Model X given its far superior efficiency. We could have easily done 3rd, *maybe* 2nd if things went awry for EQS
Max and Dom disappointing performance wringing out the ev9. My money was MX followed by EV9. I don't know 20 min in! The suspense!
Definitely disappointed by Dom and Max's performance. Well driven Kyle. I know the software let them down, but they could have done much better. Nice race guys.
Dom and Max absolutely did the EV9 wrong. Their poor planning is what kneecapped the EV9's final results.
Kyle, next time you do a race like this one, the rules has to be: driving with the AC on at a comfortable setting, you have to make it to every supercharger with a xx% soc. Etc. To be more realistic. If people are driving with kids or pets this race does not help at all. I enjoyed watching the whole video but couldn’t help thinking what new EV drivers would do in situations like the ones you all went through. Looking forward to more content from OSM.
epic series. hope to see more of these in the future.
Watching it through for the second time. Love it!
Wait till the new Cayenne EV comes out, it will toast this lot charging at 320kw!
Another 2 hour video that is going to take me 15 hours to finish
I feel like roadtripping with EVs for now is just slight panic the entire time thinking when you're gonna make it to the next charging station lol
Also Frankie needs the EQS as her replacement company vehicle after the VinFast
The wrench microphone is on point.
That was epic!! Everyone lived in the heat. Minus the model x team. 😂
If I had a buck for every time that Rivian chirped during the recap... 😄
Awesome video gang. Love these long races. It shows they are slowly catching up on tesla. Well done all. Look forward to the trip back 👌👍
Awesome tests. Love to see it!
48:35 I've seen similar behavior on other EVs, and I think it's possible that the car uses different battery temperature management parameters depending on whether the car is plugged in or unplugged. What happens is, the car sets the charging speed based on the battery temperature at the time it is plugged in, and then it manages the temperature rather than the charging speed from that point forward. Essentially, if the battery is too hot when plugged in, it will default to a slower charging profile rather than controlling the temperature and adjusting the charging speed up after the fact.
Why everyone drives on the left lane without anyone on the right lane? Anywhere else in the world that would mean suspended license.
Reminds me of my Renault 4 memories with its 330 miles of reach. We came full circle in just a few decades ... ;)
Yes!!! Heating up the popcorn. ❤
Oh come on. The Merc required no AC in 100+ temp. The Tesla was just normal driving. They don't even have ECO modes, etc, etc.
Great video comparison. Would love to see a raw data table of the efficiencies of the route and legs each vehicle did. Races are interesting but a normal family wouldn't drive for hours without AC just to get somewhere faster lol. Looking forward to additional tests like this but possibly a more realistic drive versus just racing.
Kyle you are slimming down. Nice. Great job. Just now getting the end. I only watch 15 minutes at a time
Loving the road trip and race content!
isnt this part 2 of 4??!!
I'm now interested in your time difference with in car route planning and would love a comparison in the future using only Plugshare, ABRP and Chargeway apps for road trips.
Nice try. Tesla for the win. They were there in Vegas and in the parking garage before you. I guess you technically won if you say they didn't beat you to the "end point" 🤣
But this does underscore how bad the other charging networks are. Car companies and charging companies need to be watching these videos. Because out of all of Tesla charging networks on this run there was only 1 stall that was broken and I bet you it's already been fixed. But beyond that it was simple to move over one spot and plug in and go. The EQS had to hop two or three times and one station was down out of 4 or 5 spots. So hopefully these other public charging places can do better.
And out of all the money wasted by the administration to build a couple chargers these past few years, realistically they could have given it to Tesla with the caveat to build in an area where there are few or no Tesla chargers and it would have been better spent on that than what they've done with the money so far.
@@KineticEV Kyle did beat 2 teslas a model x and a model 3 with drew also a ionic 5 and a Mach e Tesla doesn’t win all the time. See race to Vegas 1 on this channel over a year ago with Zach and Jordon. Drew and his wife, Kyle and Alyssa and Brandon and friend
@@KineticEV on race to Vegas 1 drew had trouble with the super charger and Kyle had trouble with the Tesla network going from Jacksonville to San Diego in the cyber truck.
Maybe they should race east of Colorado instead of west since they complain about green river all the time. But you saw they used ea over Tesla because it was faster charging. Those old 250’s are not as good as ea 350. How bout race to St. Louis
Didn't Tesla get a bunch of federal funding to build chargers and then promptly fire the entire supercharger team?
Max and Dom are the rockstars pulling in at zero.
Green River: Chow hound is great, and Sleepy Hollow motel is an awesome stay if you’re like me and hate the giant parking lots of modern motels. I travel with lots of film camera gear and hate parading it in front of the whole motel when unloading. Nothing beats parking outside your room door.