@@rallybeast You can see it in the past decade. Manufacturers are leaving the sport for different reasons. Years ago you could buy yourself a car with a little bit WRC blood in it. Impreza STI, Mitsubishi EVO, Polo GTI WRC look, Escort Cosworth, Focus RS, Octavia RS and so on. Todays WRC cars have no looks anymore of a sportive street car so manufacturers are selling less sportive cars. Another reason is that manufacturers are investing more money in developing electric cars than in motorsports. As long as wrc is with petrol engines I don’t think there will be more manufacturers coming back. I’m a petrolhead, not a fan of electric racing at all but at my age of 48 and following the World Rally Championship since the late 80’s I only see less competitors every year. I hope it will change but I’m not so positive. Sorry for my bad English, not my native language, but I’ve been to more than 30 WRC rally’s all over Europe and a few hundred national and local rally’s so the sport is close to my heart.
@@rallybeast collection of past rally stages. WRC and FIA are very selfish with sharing them, even clips are hard to come by. VHS are now dead, how can we relive the old moments?
They are cool cars, but I really feel like they made some serious miss steps with Rally 1. The hybrid being the head scratcher. Andrea Adamo, Hyundai ex-wrc boss openly said they make no sense, as they increased cost. Less manufacturers want to join. There's even talks of Hyundai leaving now.
Welp guys, welcome to the modern group B. When it's about winning with whatever on disposal with no matter how it cost, not raw power monster BS as people love to romanticize about
I saw a comment on Reddit over why they think WRC has been shrinking in popularity: ”With most of the wrc behind a paywall for spectators it makes it a hard sell for many manufacturers and big-name sponsors, what kind of return on investment are they going to get when the only people who will see their cars and/or advertisements are a few hard-core fans and those lucky enough to live on or near the stages?”
@@georgesheffield1580 Asians don't understand that not every comment comes from an American and I certainly understand more of Rallye cars than a asian
When the new Rally1 were presented, I got the idea that the connections between stages were made 100% electrically. But they are mostly done with the combustion engine. Even in the service and refuelling parks, often you see them use a combustion engine. I feel that they were not completely honest when they presented the specifications, the power reserve it's not big enough to make those. Great video btw.
That's interesting! It seems like the idea was better than the implementation, or maybe they didn't give it enough deep thought for every possible scenario. Rallying is a difficult motorsport with so many unknowns that can affect anything and everything.
i've watched rally1 cars in transit on public roads here on youtube and they were definitely using ICE instead of the electric motor. i don't think it's wise to expect drivers to reserve battery for transit because not using the hybrid power will affect their times on the stages.
The hybrid system is used to recover braking energy and to provide boost in the stages. They do use electric in service parks, and there is sometimes a "demonstration" stage where use of it is necessary. I think it was never realistic option to use electric between special stages as the liaison-stages can be long.
a lot of dead weight is being carry over the course of the rally because of the hybrid system just to use during some small amount of time compared to the regular combustion engine
The funny thing is hybrid is probably worse than fully gas because manufacturing of the battery is so bad for the environment. I mean come on they go through 6 trannys a year how many batteries are they going through? They obviously aren’t going to accept a battery that only has 80% life left in it like you would in a road car
Should clarify that M-Sport are not a manufacturer backed team so don’t have the same spending capability as the other teams. Only with the introduction of hybrid in the last few years has there been more connection with Ford Performance
We should bring back the group A as a top class :) it was nice to see cars that you can own racing on the top :) now Puma, Yaris and I20 have nothing to do with what you can buy in the dealer shop :(
@@elayda93 in the same spac that is wrc car? same drivetrain engine power output etc.? that is what group a was about cars you can buy on rally stages tell me what i20 have i common with wrc version? lights?
@@Wszyc Why the fuck would you drive a WR car on the road? If you're a pro Rally driver maybe you can, but as an average citizen, companies wouldn't allow that, let alone the government. Group A cars like the EVO, WRX, Celica, Delta, etc... They were all available for public with their homologation street legal equivalents. We had an EVO III, IV & VI.
@@elayda93 we already had group A like you said and that was good why we changed it? tell me what was bad about having nice homogations specials that we dont have now. If dont want such car buy base model
Thanks for this rundown. I wanted to find out more regarding the regulations as I'd been looking at the Ford Puma and realised there's no 4WD production model. In fact, only the Yaris has a 4WD road car which wouldn't have been allowed in Group A, I believe.
I just hope they don't get full electric. That would definitely kill my interest. I do not have any problem with hybrid, just hoping for better usage rule and more reliable units. Although WRC 2 is fun again. New Skoda is a beast of a machine.
I saw the Rally1 cars live. It was amazing. They are really fast and you can hear them scream from miles away. But i feel like the concept was kinda doomed to fail. There seems to be no interest for new manufacturers to join. Probably because developing a car with 2 different engines (Gas and Hybrid Unit) is expensive. Even if the rest of the car is simpler. Also I got the feeling, there are more breakdowns and crashes than before. Which makes sense, since the cars are heavier, have that E-Boost, but Handling, aero and Setup options are worse
Those are all good points! At least they didn’t go full electric like many of the rallycross series, because that would have absolutely destroyed fan interest. The 2016 cars had a lot of breakdowns at the beginning as well, and since the teams had less time to develop a car, it’s bound to have issues. There have been a lot of rumblings behind the scenes with a couple of manufacturers, but nothing has materialized yet.
The hybrid system is plug and play. Another company makes the exact same units for all the teams...I think they are randomly issued as well. If I am not mistaken, the hybrid system also connects relatively straight forward to the drivetrain to simplify the design and costs. I can't recall the specifics, but I think WRC has a video that describes the whole process. Overall, it was a pretty well thought out plan to keep costs lower and have a level playing field.
Rally race is literally created with the soul purpose of promoting better cars for the industry, motor technologies for not only race cars, but all vehicles.
lets simplify everything and worsen the peak performance of cars based on budget, but let's make them heavier and more expensive with an additional electric drive system
Perfect video!! I like your style of rally videos which is rare on youtube, everyone is just posting videos from rallyes and no info about cars etc. I think best way to make WRC more spectacular is to upgrade rally2 cars. It is a shame that any of wrc2 stars can not afford start in rally1 car now. I think Gryazin and Lindholm can fight manufactures with same cars.
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed the video. I'm trying to give people an inside look at the pieces of rally that they don't normally see. There are definitely some Rally2 drivers who could do well at the top.
WRC 2 would be much faster if they weren't disadvantaged by the deliberate use of restrictors to ensure they don't regularly beat the WRC 1 cars ( even though they do sometimes). The WRC 2 cars run a 32mm restrictor, the WRC 1 a 34mm restrictor, a 5 speed gearbox, higher weight, very little aero, etc.
Isn't "weight including safety cell" kinda misleading? Because iirc they don't use a production chassis anymore but are built around that cage as "silhouette cars"
I think that the new electric technology is really exciting to see, I understand that others might like the nature of gas engines but things are changing. Electric is our future and there’s no doubt about it. FIA understands the new trend and wants other companies, who are interested in boosting there electric platforms to join the WRC and it is really exciting.
That's a fair point. Right now, full electric has a ways to go to make it viable for something like rally. It can work really well on circuits right now.
FIA and regulation changes. With a harder suspension on soft ground the tire grip is sacrificed. This could end up in rally cars coming out of the road and hitting spectators.
really informative video, ive been looking for something like this for a long time! I am also looking for amazing action pictures of rally cars and you seem to have a lot... where do you find them or can you send them to me? keep up the good work! :)
You have a very optimistic approach! I find it worrying that WRC had to give into so many demands from manufacturers for the Rally1 regulations and yet 2 years later there is no sign of a serious newcomer and M-Sport don't even have enough cars to compete for the constructor's championship :/
I try to have a positive mindset! I think with the political push for electric and sustainability, we've had a few years of crazy pushes for things like hybrid and electric, but with the big dip in electric car sales, I think we'll start to see them scale back. Toyota already has substantially scaled back on their electric push. If done properly, I think hybrid can be a positive move.
@@rallybeast I don't mind hybrid at all and even EVs could be fine if done properly. I just hope that WRC will see the same rebirth that WEC did but right now it doesn't look too promising.
There used to be many brands like audi, VW, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot , Mitsubishi, Subaru and even Opel... When I check the official WRC site now, there are only 3 brands, Ford, Toyota and Hyundai... What happened to Rally? ( I didn't really follow rally for the past 15 years )
Cut costs by restricting aero and banning center differentials, but im pretty sure those hybrid batteries and motors are WAY more expensive than some metal and carbon fiber. People need to realize that innovation doesn't happen by authoritarian regulation and legislation, it happens when you let people conduct themselves freely. If the FIA actually cared about innovation and a level playing field, they would take away almost all vehicular restrictions, but put a budget cap of 500,000 on every car. That way, the manufacturers are building to a price point, but they are free to build the car that they want - the best car possible. But instead, we get regulations and regulations. 1.6l turbo engine with a 36mm restrictor and a hybrid power unit, no more diffusers, reduced suspension travel, no center differentials... Wheres the variety and innovation there? It should tell you something when it's the WRC and theres no Subaru, Peugeot, Citroën, etcetera. The FIA is a joke.
Excellent video, and thank you for making the argument that the last generation of WRC cars were the fastest ever made. People with a serious case of nostalgia tend to circle jerk Group B cars over and over, and while they were impressive feats of engineering at the time, they would be no match for a modern rally car.
Always nice to see good quality rally content so thx. IMO, Rally1 is mix of good and bad. The simplifying of drivetrain and cutting cost in half is great but the hybrid system is a marketing gimmick - it’s pointless, expensive and adds another part to break. With all the interest in trying to get on the F1 grid you’d think WRC would be able to find a way to get some new teams to join Rally1, often two or more drivers have trouble of some sort and we’re left with like six drivers in top class and that’s sad.
Very good point! And it’s a pretty complicated part that can break easily. Manufacturers just need to see marketing value to want to join. Unfortunately, they don’t right now.
@@rallybeast Rally seems to be getting more popular in the states if you ask me. People started watching F1 ever since that one show came out I've been seeing a few more people talk about motorsports in general, too
What’s with so many industries not just racing forcing something no one wants in and when the interest dies and the industry begins to fail that claim nobody is interested. It’s like that meme of Eric Andre shooting Hannibal.
I think some of these restrictions make no sense. The differential is a massive step backwards. Everybody developed WRC cars with fancy aero, suspensions and drivetrains already, which makes handling better. Why get rid of it? Going full electric would probably be less hassle for manufacturers, because hybrid systems are way more complex.
Very interesting, I had no idea they got rid of the center differential. I just guessed that the battery and electric motor added so much more weight that it made the car sluggish mid corner. But I'd still like to see a proper RWD class. Maybe they could attract more brands with a RWD coupe class, like BMW, Mazda and Porsche. Or even a non hatchback class, they aren't very interesting as something to buy.
They did remove active center differential (one controlled by hydraulics or electronics) to reduce costs and apparently there is possibly an old-style mechanical center differential, but reliable details are rare about this. Everyone seems to be confused about it..
@@IlkkaPrusi Hmm, does that communicate like an active center diff? Like every wheel gets a calculated power delivery or is it that you chose let's say 60-40 favor rear wheels and have the power differential deliver based on the front and rear separately?
I don't think they did remove the centre diff, not according to their web page, RWD is very slow to watch, as in very very slow, I raced both a WRC 2 and RWD, and wow, the difference is amazing, RWD is very slow out of corners
The previous generation was closer to Group B, but the cars have been much faster than Group B cars for quite a few years now, thanks to advancements in suspension, AWD tech and engine mapping.
Soy fanático de las competencias automotrices, y eso me lleva también a aprender el inglés, en este video entiendo muy fluido el idioma, saludos desde Perú.
Don't we all! He was a true rally legend and so was that car. Funny you should mention that, we actually have a t-shirt and hoodie with his car on it. You might like it! rally-beast-shop.fourthwall.com/products/subaru-wrc99
There are rumors in the rally world about the return of some big names in the coming years. Such as, Lancia, Citroen, and, or Opel. Fiat, and Subaru,Private Audi? There would even be negotiations with Mercedes. Now to find the pilots?
I hate that every racing class has become dominated by so many intricate rules. It makes the barrier of entry very high.. Also, in a racing series why the hell are they mandating hybrid EV crap? Remove that requirement and things can get lighter and/or faster
The safety regulations I get. All the others seem like they're trying to limit what these manufacturers can come up with. When you remove limits, you get groundbreaking cars like the rx-7 that dominated Lemans, but then was banned of course with new regulations. Regulations are good for smaller budget races, but those competing in WRC are industry titans, not Mom and Pop weekend racers.
They're nice, but I'd love to see a return of the no-holds-barred power and complexity of Group B with the most advanced safety tech (and crowd control) of today
Ideal pabrikan 1,230kg di bagi 4 suspensi, terus prinsip suspensi dlm calculasi fisika beda donk dg prinsip shockbreaker, di teknologi ada tema mekanisme teknisnya donk, kan WRC
Duh ngitung hambatan dan regangan momen inersia di setiap diameter satu lingkaran per atau besi rambatan ulir untuk shock breaker aja musti kompleks ke berat keseluruhan mobil, heh kayak mesin robot computer pabrikan aja.
there are a lot of mistakes in this video, WRC 1 weight is not 1230kg ( that is WRC2) it is 1190kg and 1350kg with both driver and co driver, gear box is six speed ( WRC 2 is five speed), WRC 1 runs an active centre differential ( WRC 2 does not)
You obviously haven’t read the F.I.A. regulations because you are incorrect. This is about Rally1, not the past WRC car. And they aren’t called WRC 1 and WRC 2, it’s Rally1 and Rally2.
@@rallybeast We are both wrong, check this, file:///Users/martingrigg/Downloads/262_2023_wmsc_2023.06.20_jt.pdf June 2023 The minimum weight is 1260 kg under the checking conditions mentioned below (and with only one spare wheel). The combined minimum weight of the car (under the checking conditions mentioned below and with only one spare wheel) and crew (driver + co-driver) is 1430 kg. When two spare wheels are carried in the car, the second spare wheel must be removed before weighing.
It's such a shame we've havent' seen any car manufacturers really push for a road going "supercar" variant of these machines with a tarmac. We get hot hatches, but we never get the 'GT3 RS' of hot hatches. Instead, we get goofy cars like the 911 Dakar and the Huracan Sterrato.
Good question! It's mostly because of the sound. It's one of the things that makes it exciting to watch. If it were electric cars, they would need to put a siren on them to let fans know that they're coming, which is as exciting.
Im ok with hybrid power. Its actually pretty slick as electric motors make gobs of instant torque. But generally i dont like hampering cars. The suspension and differential changes are lame. For feeder series i think rules like that are fine, but top level series shouldn't feature those limits.
There's a website with a database of the fastest rally races of all time. It goes at least back to Group B. The site ranks by average speed of a rally event, meaning all stages of a race week. The quickest Group B race is on a 17th or 20th place. I don't remember exactly. All quicker races, are WRC races.
The limit of amount of spare parts (transmission, engines...) is a very good thing to stimulate quality and durability in the world of cars where often is stimulated planned obsolescence, consumism and quality is often crap. I don't like the limits on the cyclistics of the car (frame, differential, suspensions...) producers should be able to implement the best ideas and R&D to make better, more advanced cars. Developping better hybrids is a good thing, awaiting safer EVs (🔥🚒🚑 litium 😒). No need for monsters ☠️ with ultra high HP, focus on balanced cars with the best all wheel drive aspects. Huge Toyota fan, durability and quality, best customer service and communication ever 👍
Amazing introduction to the world of rally cars, thank you!
We're glad you enjoyed it!
@@rallybeastMerry Christmas 2023 and Happy new year 2024, @RallyBeast! Hopefully 2024 WRC Season is an amazing one like 2022.
@@rallybeast wish they have more camera than onboard
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i wish more manufacturers join Rally1 so there are more competition on the highest level
Couldn’t agree more! It would be great to have it the same as the 90’s and 2000’s!
WRC is almost dead in my opinion.
Why do you think that?
@@rallybeast You can see it in the past decade. Manufacturers are leaving the sport for different reasons. Years ago you could buy yourself a car with a little bit WRC blood in it. Impreza STI, Mitsubishi EVO, Polo GTI WRC look, Escort Cosworth, Focus RS, Octavia RS and so on. Todays WRC cars have no looks anymore of a sportive street car so manufacturers are selling less sportive cars. Another reason is that manufacturers are investing more money in developing electric cars than in motorsports. As long as wrc is with petrol engines I don’t think there will be more manufacturers coming back. I’m a petrolhead, not a fan of electric racing at all but at my age of 48 and following the World Rally Championship since the late 80’s I only see less competitors every year. I hope it will change but I’m not so positive. Sorry for my bad English, not my native language, but I’ve been to more than 30 WRC rally’s all over Europe and a few hundred national and local rally’s so the sport is close to my heart.
Would be cool to see a Skoda Rally1
I wish they found ways to make rally more accessible. Feels like you have to really dig to find up to date Rallye stuff
What are you looking for? Maybe we can help!
@@rallybeast an in-depth rally cars biology will be good
@@rallybeast collection of past rally stages. WRC and FIA are very selfish with sharing them, even clips are hard to come by. VHS are now dead, how can we relive the old moments?
Rally is by far the most accessible race type, with local events in basically every populated areas and 5 different levels for world class events
I think the center differential deletion is a step backwards, it should implement open-center diff or the standardized Torsen unit.
Agreed! There are quite a few steps backwards.
Speaking of going backwards, IMHO the ban on paddle shift is also a step backwards.
@@RicciChoi1109 paddle shifters are for pussies.
Why paddle shifting is now banned, @@RicciChoi1109?
@@RicciChoi1109 The most backwards thing what happened was moving from Group A to WRC 20 odd years ago.
They are cool cars, but I really feel like they made some serious miss steps with Rally 1. The hybrid being the head scratcher. Andrea Adamo, Hyundai ex-wrc boss openly said they make no sense, as they increased cost. Less manufacturers want to join. There's even talks of Hyundai leaving now.
That's a very good point! Let's hope they don't lose manufacturers because that would be a nail in the coffin for WRC.
All motor sports r finished its over.
Hello communism
I wish that they’d gone with a cheaper and faster R5 (Rally 2) car. There’s not enough seats in Rally 1
Welp guys, welcome to the modern group B.
When it's about winning with whatever on disposal with no matter how it cost, not raw power monster BS as people love to romanticize about
Hyundai is looking if there is a option to drive with an 4th car instead of 3. So i think thats just a rumor
I saw a comment on Reddit over why they think WRC has been shrinking in popularity:
”With most of the wrc behind a paywall for spectators it makes it a hard sell for many manufacturers and big-name sponsors, what kind of return on investment are they going to get when the only people who will see their cars and/or advertisements are a few hard-core fans and those lucky enough to live on or near the stages?”
That’s a very good point and I’m sure WRC doesn’t share their WRC+ viewership numbers with very many people
I agree, it should be free, after all it is advertising for the manufacturers
This is the reality that the whole rally bubble ignores, in order to blame the cars for not attracting manufacturers.
Hyundai is getting it? Koreans love new challenges. ❤
I mean also the 15 something year of Sebastien dominance
Fia really understands and mastered how to take away the fun from everything, by forcing tiny engines with electric motors onto racecars.
And taking away the awesome aero from the last generation.
Big disagree about it not being fun or interesting anymore. The restrictions necessitate manufacturers to innovate
Americans don't understand the power these cars produce .
Bro it's 500hp🤣
@@georgesheffield1580 Asians don't understand that not every comment comes from an American and I certainly understand more of Rallye cars than a asian
When the new Rally1 were presented, I got the idea that the connections between stages were made 100% electrically. But they are mostly done with the combustion engine. Even in the service and refuelling parks, often you see them use a combustion engine. I feel that they were not completely honest when they presented the specifications, the power reserve it's not big enough to make those. Great video btw.
also those hybrid systems often stop working, its better now than last year but still almost every event someone got a hybrid failure
That's interesting! It seems like the idea was better than the implementation, or maybe they didn't give it enough deep thought for every possible scenario. Rallying is a difficult motorsport with so many unknowns that can affect anything and everything.
i've watched rally1 cars in transit on public roads here on youtube and they were definitely using ICE instead of the electric motor.
i don't think it's wise to expect drivers to reserve battery for transit because not using the hybrid power will affect their times on the stages.
The hybrid system is used to recover braking energy and to provide boost in the stages. They do use electric in service parks, and there is sometimes a "demonstration" stage where use of it is necessary. I think it was never realistic option to use electric between special stages as the liaison-stages can be long.
a lot of dead weight is being carry over the course of the rally because of the hybrid system just to use during some small amount of time compared to the regular combustion engine
the amount of "saving the planet" done by these electric wrc cars is absolutely nothing...
lmfao I don't think anyone really thinks it's helping 😂
window dressing at best
It's to promote electric powertrains for consumer cars, not because of the emissions impact of like 50 cars going hybrid.
The funny thing is hybrid is probably worse than fully gas because manufacturing of the battery is so bad for the environment. I mean come on they go through 6 trannys a year how many batteries are they going through? They obviously aren’t going to accept a battery that only has 80% life left in it like you would in a road car
every bit helps
Just Three Manufacturers In WRC??☹ oh man, the '90s were really the best days for me to watch rally.
Yeah, it’s pretty sad to see!
And do you know what is sadder? The loss of interest by manufacturers. Let's see who exits Rally1 and who joins in the coming years.
in reality, it is only Toyota, Ford's Puma is junk, and Hyundai have a small budget, in the Safari 2023 Toyota are 1,2,3, and 4th.
@@kissindzerkiss if one of those three bails out they can ditch out Rally 1 completely, it would really be pointless to continue.
@@ripmax333 I hope that doesn't happen. I would love to see Mitsubishi return to WRC.
Should clarify that M-Sport are not a manufacturer backed team so don’t have the same spending capability as the other teams. Only with the introduction of hybrid in the last few years has there been more connection with Ford Performance
In the championship, they are considered a manufacturer.
and it shows
We should bring back the group A as a top class :) it was nice to see cars that you can own racing on the top :) now Puma, Yaris and I20 have nothing to do with what you can buy in the dealer shop :(
That would be cool!
Uhm, those 3 are accessible and ready to buy. Where are you from? Africa? Antarctica?
@@elayda93 in the same spac that is wrc car? same drivetrain engine power output etc.? that is what group a was about cars you can buy on rally stages tell me what i20 have i common with wrc version? lights?
@@Wszyc Why the fuck would you drive a WR car on the road? If you're a pro Rally driver maybe you can, but as an average citizen, companies wouldn't allow that, let alone the government.
Group A cars like the EVO, WRX, Celica, Delta, etc... They were all available for public with their homologation street legal equivalents. We had an EVO III, IV & VI.
@@elayda93 we already had group A like you said and that was good why we changed it? tell me what was bad about having nice homogations specials that we dont have now. If dont want such car buy base model
Wrc should bring back the homologated 4 door sedan rally car
Agreed! The 90s and early 2000s cars were so good.
only 6k subscribers and this quality? damn dude your killing it
Just have to keep working at it! I appreciate the compliment.
Very informative ,and keep up the good working,we love rally
Thank you! We love rally too❤️
Thanks for this rundown. I wanted to find out more regarding the regulations as I'd been looking at the Ford Puma and realised there's no 4WD production model. In fact, only the Yaris has a 4WD road car which wouldn't have been allowed in Group A, I believe.
If you want to dive in deep, here are the F.I.A. regulations: www.fia.com/sites/default/files/255a_2021_wmsc_2021.03.05.pdf
Don’t they have to make a certain amount of road cars to compete? They used to in the group b days.
What a great introduction to the sport of rallying. :) Thanks a lot!
Glad you liked it!
I just hope they don't get full electric. That would definitely kill my interest. I do not have any problem with hybrid, just hoping for better usage rule and more reliable units. Although WRC 2 is fun again. New Skoda is a beast of a machine.
100% agree! Electric would destroy the fanbase.
They are not going to Full Electric. Mark my words
I can agree with that statement.
Word. Cape Town South Africa 🌍♥️
I think it would be interesting
I saw the Rally1 cars live. It was amazing. They are really fast and you can hear them scream from miles away. But i feel like the concept was kinda doomed to fail. There seems to be no interest for new manufacturers to join. Probably because developing a car with 2 different engines (Gas and Hybrid Unit) is expensive. Even if the rest of the car is simpler. Also I got the feeling, there are more breakdowns and crashes than before. Which makes sense, since the cars are heavier, have that E-Boost, but Handling, aero and Setup options are worse
Those are all good points! At least they didn’t go full electric like many of the rallycross series, because that would have absolutely destroyed fan interest. The 2016 cars had a lot of breakdowns at the beginning as well, and since the teams had less time to develop a car, it’s bound to have issues. There have been a lot of rumblings behind the scenes with a couple of manufacturers, but nothing has materialized yet.
The hybrid system is plug and play. Another company makes the exact same units for all the teams...I think they are randomly issued as well.
If I am not mistaken, the hybrid system also connects relatively straight forward to the drivetrain to simplify the design and costs. I can't recall the specifics, but I think WRC has a video that describes the whole process. Overall, it was a pretty well thought out plan to keep costs lower and have a level playing field.
@@GIddyUpRetepwish WRC has BoP system (Balance of Performance) like in Super GT and IMSA.
I don't know how eco friendly the hybrid cars really are because they charge the cars with diesel generators.. 😂
They recover energy during braking. And the cars use bioethanol as fuel for the combustion engine.
Clown world
they aren't eco friendly at all, my WRC 2 car uses 1.2 lt/km, or 2 MPG. so no.
Rally race is literally created with the soul purpose of promoting better cars for the industry, motor technologies for not only race cars, but all vehicles.
True, but sometimes I wonder how much of the tech trickles down to the road cars.
Yeah, well at least the suspension
thx! the fotos are stunning! great work m8
Thank you!
i would be thrilled if you would cover the dakar rally cars and trucks
I'll add them to the list! Thanks for the ideas.
These things really are impressive. I’m always amazed by how hard they can rip through corners, as well as the amount of abuse they put up with.
They are really robust and the handling and grip is pretty insane.
lets simplify everything and worsen the peak performance of cars based on budget, but let's make them heavier and more expensive with an additional electric drive system
I would be curious to know what the actually final cost of one of these cars is.
500bhp plus? That's insane!
Is that before or after the Hybrid boost?
That is with the electric motor. ICE is limited to 380 horsepower.
Makes sense, more in line with the previous WRC spec.
Still a far cry from the 1st Gen WRC spec of 300-330!
the lancia delta S4 had 550 back in the 80s!@@KashouWannabe
Fantastic vid, need more RUclipsrs like you !
Glad you enjoyed!
Perfect video!! I like your style of rally videos which is rare on youtube, everyone is just posting videos from rallyes and no info about cars etc. I think best way to make WRC more spectacular is to upgrade rally2 cars. It is a shame that any of wrc2 stars can not afford start in rally1 car now. I think Gryazin and Lindholm can fight manufactures with same cars.
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed the video. I'm trying to give people an inside look at the pieces of rally that they don't normally see. There are definitely some Rally2 drivers who could do well at the top.
WRC 2 would be much faster if they weren't disadvantaged by the deliberate use of restrictors to ensure they don't regularly beat the WRC 1 cars ( even though they do sometimes). The WRC 2 cars run a 32mm restrictor, the WRC 1 a 34mm restrictor, a 5 speed gearbox, higher weight, very little aero, etc.
I like the rules and changes to make them cheaper,simple and safer. But it sucks that they can't use boxer motors.
Totally agree! It would be so good to have Subaru back in the WRC. There are rumors of them coming back when the next rules are implemented for 2026.
Fantastic sounds ! I like handling over raw power. I bought a Porsche 912 when I could have had a Dodge Road runner for half as much.
Isn't "weight including safety cell" kinda misleading?
Because iirc they don't use a production chassis anymore but are built around that cage as "silhouette cars"
That's basically what the Rally1 cars are. They all have the same spaceframe with body panels attached to resemble the car.
I think that the new electric technology is really exciting to see, I understand that others might like the nature of gas engines but things are changing. Electric is our future and there’s no doubt about it. FIA understands the new trend and wants other companies, who are interested in boosting there electric platforms to join the WRC and it is really exciting.
That's a fair point. Right now, full electric has a ways to go to make it viable for something like rally. It can work really well on circuits right now.
Well done 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Nice same for the soundttrack!
Well done!
Thank you🙌
Great video man 💯
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Can't beat the Combustion Engine for legendary Rallying that's for sure. Never will.
I had no idea rally cars had gone hybrid !
Highly recommended
FIA and regulation changes. With a harder suspension on soft ground the tire grip is sacrificed. This could end up in rally cars coming out of the road and hitting spectators.
There have been some pretty big crashes with Rally1.
Interesting information about rally cars. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
i reckon in the very near future were gonna see a skoda rally 1 car that will put the wind up all other manufacturers
That would be amazing!
really informative video, ive been looking for something like this for a long time! I am also looking for amazing action pictures of rally cars and you seem to have a lot... where do you find them or can you send them to me? keep up the good work! :)
Yeah, shoot me and email at thebeast@rallybeast.co, and I’ll send you some.
You have a very optimistic approach! I find it worrying that WRC had to give into so many demands from manufacturers for the Rally1 regulations and yet 2 years later there is no sign of a serious newcomer and M-Sport don't even have enough cars to compete for the constructor's championship :/
I try to have a positive mindset! I think with the political push for electric and sustainability, we've had a few years of crazy pushes for things like hybrid and electric, but with the big dip in electric car sales, I think we'll start to see them scale back. Toyota already has substantially scaled back on their electric push. If done properly, I think hybrid can be a positive move.
@@rallybeast I don't mind hybrid at all and even EVs could be fine if done properly. I just hope that WRC will see the same rebirth that WEC did but right now it doesn't look too promising.
There used to be many brands like audi, VW, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot , Mitsubishi, Subaru and even Opel... When I check the official WRC site now, there are only 3 brands, Ford, Toyota and Hyundai...
What happened to Rally? ( I didn't really follow rally for the past 15 years )
Great question! Manufacturers have a tough time justifying the return on investment these days.
Damn I luv WRC Cape Town South Africa 🌍♥️
It’s the best motorsport!
Cut costs by restricting aero and banning center differentials, but im pretty sure those hybrid batteries and motors are WAY more expensive than some metal and carbon fiber.
People need to realize that innovation doesn't happen by authoritarian regulation and legislation, it happens when you let people conduct themselves freely.
If the FIA actually cared about innovation and a level playing field, they would take away almost all vehicular restrictions, but put a budget cap of 500,000 on every car. That way, the manufacturers are building to a price point, but they are free to build the car that they want - the best car possible. But instead, we get regulations and regulations. 1.6l turbo engine with a 36mm restrictor and a hybrid power unit, no more diffusers, reduced suspension travel, no center differentials... Wheres the variety and innovation there? It should tell you something when it's the WRC and theres no Subaru, Peugeot, Citroën, etcetera.
The FIA is a joke.
Wow, what a video!
Wow, thanks!
I hope some of these innovations make it to the consumer quickly
Agreed! That use to be the essence of motorsports.
Excellent video, and thank you for making the argument that the last generation of WRC cars were the fastest ever made. People with a serious case of nostalgia tend to circle jerk Group B cars over and over, and while they were impressive feats of engineering at the time, they would be no match for a modern rally car.
That is so true! Group B started getting beat in the late 90's.
Wouldn't more suspension travel make it safer to drive?
Hyundai with long travels but with short strokes sent Craig to the heaven…😢
Yes, and the complexity would too since they would have a larger working range.
they already have long travel suspension, any longer and you get too much body roll, and squat under brakes
@@恙恙 it was a pole fence that killed him, it was a very minor accident but pole fences are lethal
Always nice to see good quality rally content so thx. IMO, Rally1 is mix of good and bad. The simplifying of drivetrain and cutting cost in half is great but the hybrid system is a marketing gimmick - it’s pointless, expensive and adds another part to break. With all the interest in trying to get on the F1 grid you’d think WRC would be able to find a way to get some new teams to join Rally1, often two or more drivers have trouble of some sort and we’re left with like six drivers in top class and that’s sad.
Very good point! And it’s a pretty complicated part that can break easily. Manufacturers just need to see marketing value to want to join. Unfortunately, they don’t right now.
@@rallybeast Rally seems to be getting more popular in the states if you ask me. People started watching F1 ever since that one show came out I've been seeing a few more people talk about motorsports in general, too
"Welcome to Group B"
"What are the rules?"
"Go nuts"
Those were the days
Could you imagine what they would come up with these days??
What’s with so many industries not just racing forcing something no one wants in and when the interest dies and the industry begins to fail that claim nobody is interested. It’s like that meme of Eric Andre shooting Hannibal.
I think some of these restrictions make no sense. The differential is a massive step backwards. Everybody developed WRC cars with fancy aero, suspensions and drivetrains already, which makes handling better. Why get rid of it? Going full electric would probably be less hassle for manufacturers, because hybrid systems are way more complex.
It definitely doesn't cater to driving technological advancements.
Very interesting, I had no idea they got rid of the center differential. I just guessed that the battery and electric motor added so much more weight that it made the car sluggish mid corner.
But I'd still like to see a proper RWD class. Maybe they could attract more brands with a RWD coupe class, like BMW, Mazda and Porsche. Or even a non hatchback class, they aren't very interesting as something to buy.
A proper RWD class would be fantastic and exciting to watch! It would even be great to see some RWD in the lower 2WD classes.
They did remove active center differential (one controlled by hydraulics or electronics) to reduce costs and apparently there is possibly an old-style mechanical center differential, but reliable details are rare about this. Everyone seems to be confused about it..
@@IlkkaPrusi Hmm, does that communicate like an active center diff? Like every wheel gets a calculated power delivery or is it that you chose let's say 60-40 favor rear wheels and have the power differential deliver based on the front and rear separately?
I don't think they did remove the centre diff, not according to their web page, RWD is very slow to watch, as in very very slow, I raced both a WRC 2 and RWD, and wow, the difference is amazing, RWD is very slow out of corners
37 years later, group b is back in rallying
The previous generation was closer to Group B, but the cars have been much faster than Group B cars for quite a few years now, thanks to advancements in suspension, AWD tech and engine mapping.
Awesome channel about WRC. Congrats! My favorite era was Group A.
Thank you! Group A was fantastic.
U go Toyota simply the best I luv it Cape Town South Africa 🌍♥️
Soy fanático de las competencias automotrices, y eso me lleva también a aprender el inglés, en este video entiendo muy fluido el idioma, saludos desde Perú.
Thanks for watching!
Great video and information, I think is missing the VW in the competition and what's mean WRC.? Thank you for sharing...:))
It would be great to see VW back in the WRC.
That intro is something else. What's the song used here?
Siren Screen by Ooyy
RIP Craig Breen 🕊
🙏
I miss the impreza Burns (rip) used to drive 😢
Don't we all! He was a true rally legend and so was that car. Funny you should mention that, we actually have a t-shirt and hoodie with his car on it. You might like it! rally-beast-shop.fourthwall.com/products/subaru-wrc99
Old has gone the has come❤
There are rumors in the rally world about the return of some big names in the coming years. Such as, Lancia, Citroen, and, or Opel. Fiat, and Subaru,Private Audi? There would even be negotiations with Mercedes. Now to find the pilots?
I haven’t heard about all of those, but have heard the rumors about Subaru.
I hate that every racing class has become dominated by so many intricate rules. It makes the barrier of entry very high..
Also, in a racing series why the hell are they mandating hybrid EV crap? Remove that requirement and things can get lighter and/or faster
The safety regulations I get. All the others seem like they're trying to limit what these manufacturers can come up with. When you remove limits, you get groundbreaking cars like the rx-7 that dominated Lemans, but then was banned of course with new regulations. Regulations are good for smaller budget races, but those competing in WRC are industry titans, not Mom and Pop weekend racers.
Couldn't agree more!
which rx-7 dominated lemans?Im curious
They're nice, but I'd love to see a return of the no-holds-barred power and complexity of Group B with the most advanced safety tech (and crowd control) of today
Wouldn't we all!
Ideal pabrikan 1,230kg di bagi 4 suspensi, terus prinsip suspensi dlm calculasi fisika beda donk dg prinsip shockbreaker, di teknologi ada tema mekanisme teknisnya donk, kan WRC
Duh ngitung hambatan dan regangan momen inersia di setiap diameter satu lingkaran per atau besi rambatan ulir untuk shock breaker aja musti kompleks ke berat keseluruhan mobil, heh kayak mesin robot computer pabrikan aja.
Damn suck a good video tnx 👍🏻🔥
Happy you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Will these new rally beasts favour in country rallies like FMU .
It really depends on the regulations of the series.
there are a lot of mistakes in this video, WRC 1 weight is not 1230kg ( that is WRC2) it is 1190kg and 1350kg with both driver and co driver, gear box is six speed ( WRC 2 is five speed), WRC 1 runs an active centre differential ( WRC 2 does not)
You obviously haven’t read the F.I.A. regulations because you are incorrect. This is about Rally1, not the past WRC car. And they aren’t called WRC 1 and WRC 2, it’s Rally1 and Rally2.
@@rallybeast We are both wrong, check this, file:///Users/martingrigg/Downloads/262_2023_wmsc_2023.06.20_jt.pdf June 2023
The minimum weight is 1260 kg under the checking conditions
mentioned below (and with only one spare wheel).
The combined minimum weight of the car (under the checking
conditions mentioned below and with only one spare wheel) and
crew (driver + co-driver) is 1430 kg.
When two spare wheels are carried in the car, the second spare
wheel must be removed before weighing.
Self driving car technology for the future racing 😂
lol it's just the co-driver in the car 😂
Hybrids kinda drive in a fun way tbh, not that it really matters because no manufacturers want to build them.
It's such a shame we've havent' seen any car manufacturers really push for a road going "supercar" variant of these machines with a tarmac. We get hot hatches, but we never get the 'GT3 RS' of hot hatches.
Instead, we get goofy cars like the 911 Dakar and the Huracan Sterrato.
That would be so amazing! It was great back in the day when they would do legitimate road going race cars.
hybrid on WRC cars is acceptable, but full electric will piss me off. we need that real engine sound from ICE.
100% agree!
safety cell… is it just an advanced roll cage?
there is no production car chassis anymore, just a tube chassis with panels on the outside to resemble a car.
It’s just another name for the roll cage, since it’s the area that keeps the driver and co-driver safe and protected
@@rallybeast thanks for explaining man
We want back Lancia
Have you see Landis these days? Lol
I love rally. What a sport. I will love an electric division, I think the speeds will be insane.
You mentioned fuel cell in your narrative - was this an inaccuracy or is hydrogen starting to be used?
No, it’s not hydrogen. Most race cars are required to have fuel cells rather than the standard fuel tank
I'm new to the sport. Why would full electric be a bad thing?
Good question! It's mostly because of the sound. It's one of the things that makes it exciting to watch. If it were electric cars, they would need to put a siren on them to let fans know that they're coming, which is as exciting.
How to re charge the electricity ?
They can plug it in or use regenerative braking.
Im ok with hybrid power. Its actually pretty slick as electric motors make gobs of instant torque.
But generally i dont like hampering cars. The suspension and differential changes are lame. For feeder series i think rules like that are fine, but top level series shouldn't feature those limits.
I can agree with that!
>simpler tech to reduce costs
>mandatory hybrid tech that increases costs
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
It seems like they tried to cut costs in different areas to make up for the Hybrid unit.
It's like a capacity yard truck. I drive it the same.
Recently been playing WRC 10 on my PS console. It is fire. Really exhilarating. 🔥🔥
Nice!
nice
Do you have a high res image of this one on 7:15?
Why there are only three types of cars in the rally?
Because those are the only three manufacturers that are competing.
@@rallybeast 😮
its sad that the competition is narrowing down compared to the old times
2026, wish we could see Lancia returning to FIA WRC...
There are a lot of manufacturers that would be great to see back in it.
Old cars were lighter..had 6 speeds..i want to ask hybrid rally 1 cars are faster than the old ones in the same stages? Has anyone compare the times?
That's a great question! e-wrc has probably done some comparisons.
There's a website with a database of the fastest rally races of all time. It goes at least back to Group B.
The site ranks by average speed of a rally event, meaning all stages of a race week.
The quickest Group B race is on a 17th or 20th place. I don't remember exactly. All quicker races, are WRC races.
Better suspension better brakes and tires makes todays cars quicker.
When it is so restrictive theres no chance to see any big innovation
And good innovations that are immediatly banned cant be further developed. Who knows what wouldve happened with rotarys if they didnt ban them
It’s crazy to think that the rotary was banned!
The suspension shouldn't got regulated by the FIA.
Why are the tires so skinny?
They provide better grip on loose surfaces. The smaller contact patch focuses the weight on a smaller area, helping it dig in better.
@@rallybeast - Thanks for answering my question!
A Rally 1 car costs around $600.000, so “cheaper” needs to be seen relatively.
It's cheaper that the $1 Million cost it was from 2016 to 2021.
The limit of amount of spare parts (transmission, engines...) is a very good thing to stimulate quality and durability in the world of cars where often is stimulated planned obsolescence, consumism and quality is often crap.
I don't like the limits on the cyclistics of the car (frame, differential, suspensions...) producers should be able to implement the best ideas and R&D to make better, more advanced cars.
Developping better hybrids is a good thing, awaiting safer EVs (🔥🚒🚑 litium 😒).
No need for monsters ☠️ with ultra high HP, focus on balanced cars with the best all wheel drive aspects.
Huge Toyota fan, durability and quality, best customer service and communication ever 👍
Agreed! The top level of any motorsport should be focused on advancing technology.
Just wanted to say I much prefer you narrating with your voice instead of the AI(?) voice used in the Rally1 - Rally5 explanation video 👍
Glad you like that! I'll keep using my real voice then🙌
ROFL more bans than actual technical improvements
I thought FIA and WRC got a bit normal last 20 years ...
When the car is on electric mode, isn't the engine just charge electric motor?
Yes, but they also have regenerative braking and anytime they're in service, they plug in.
@@rallybeast thank you for the info