How To Understand Your Co-Driver in Rally Games (Pacenotes Guide)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- If you heard "5 Left into 4 right don't cut, 30 into square left, caution, over crest keep middle", is this total gibberish, or crucial information?
Screaming through a forest at the fastest speed possible requires split second decision-making and a whole lot of bravery, where one wrong move can send the car into an aggressive tree hug.
Teamwork is vital in rallying to prevent these accidents from happening. The co-drivers job is to feed information about the upcoming corners to the driver, which is condensed to minimal instructions and translated into an expected picture of the next turn.
Jumping into a rally game, such as WRC10 or DiRT Rally 2.0, can be daunting for new players, but John Munro helps guide you through every instruction the Co-Driver throws out. Let us know in the comments below whether you have learnt anything new in this video, or if you knew it all beforehand.
00:00 - Intro
01:18 - The Basics
02:56 - Corner Specifics
04:16 - The numbers, Mason
04:57 - Developing Corners
05:38 - Cutting it fine
05:59 - Turn in timings
06:30 - Blatant warnings
07:10 - Jumps, crests & bumps
07:50 - Misc Features
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As a co-driver my self this is very well made and super easy for people to understand if they are not familiar with pace notes
Appreciate the feedback Adrian, thanks very much!
Mate If your really a co-driver / navigator.. hats off too you and salute, you guys are more crazier than any driver. I trust my uncle to the max prolly as much as I would with Ken block but dam when I'm passanger the amount of addrenaline I get, I know how to control my anxiety and how to put my faith in the driver but dam. Being a passenger gives me way more addrenaline than driving. So your a maniac lol
I am a brand new co-driver just started this season, and this video makes a lot of sense and simple to follow, beforehand I had no idea of the notes & terminology!
@@josie670 Great to hear it, thanks Josie! Best of luck. :)
@@al-dorifto1631 aint that the truth. I cant bring myself to trust someone else.
“Triple caution” I sleep
“Be brave” is when I get scared as hell
Triple Caution is a great pacenote, but *Be Brave* actually makes me wet myself out of fear of the upcoming corner
Somehow I would imagine driving and then suddenly see a cow or a moose standing in the middle of the corner
@@Danspy501st that'd be terrifying
@@Danspy501st I just saw a video and there was a giraffe standing on the road as they rounded the corner! Luckily it moved when it saw them coming.
My favourite pacenote yet is from a RUclips video of the Carrick Forestry Rally: "Double caution right two into double caution left two - they might have hay bales or something, they said at the meeting."
@@QemeH Curious, I presume they were referring to the chicanes made with hay bales on that track? Though normally they would just say something like "Chicane entry left" for those, so I figure there was something extra interesting going on with that one.
Fun fact: the great Walter Röhrl had a quasi photographic memory of the tracks/stages and could drive them without any guiding from his co-driver Christian Geistdörfer after driving them once or twice.
In interviews, Röhrl often joked he mostly needed Geistdörfer for balancing the car and booking their hotel rooms.
Hahahahaha Brilliant 👏, this is what these games are missing, a good co-driver is as important as the driver, many actually improve the driver and adapt to them.
As the man who made the stages and wrote the pacenotes for the WRC Games since WRC 9, I am so happy to see this part of my work put in evidence somehow ! The most difficult part of making pacenotes for video games is the timing. Because unlike real life, the AI telling notes will have trouble to adapt on what's happening in-game. I obviously take most of the time adjusting the timing for pacenotes for it to appear/disappear, as I get some external help from real rallye driver for the writing. I can't count the number of times people asks me how this works thinking numbers are the gears so thanks for getting this part of rallying under the spotlight !
I can image that's very tricky to get right, and It's probably why I often recommend that players set their calls to arrive a little earlier. It's less risky hearing a note too early than too late. Thanks very much for the comment and for all of your work, the notes are fantastic so you have done a brilliant job! I'd love to know your process for refining these 😄
@@TraxionGG The difficulty is to set the "medium" value so everyone can change its settings. Thank you ! I can't talk too much about the creation process because it must stay confidential, but I can still talk a bit about it without going into big details (like I did with the pacenotes)
@@Zerth0_yt hey zehtro, first of all, I'm quite a big fan of WRC games and I want to say thank you for your contribution.
@@Zerth0_yt Cant you just set a trigger that plays the prerecorded message once the car reaches a certain point (say 100m ahead of the corner)?
@@Immortal.. it’s way harder than you think. Because every player will not take the corner at the same speed and will maybe crash (so the note would play without the player takin it in time). So I have to take in count if the corner is hard to take, what average speed the player will have and play test every single note until I have something great.
6:35 that video Samir driving is just legendary, always puts a smile on my face for some reason
Iconic 😂
After 6.32 of serious video, it caught me totally surprised... I could die of laughing hahaha
Ong it caught me off guard begging and towards the end😂
Samir, you are breaking the khaaar
Had to pause the video just to laugh at this. 😂
That "Trrpple caution" quote is genious after 6.30 minutes of completely serious video. I loved it
The amount of trust you need to have when your co-driver calls flat out over a blind bumpy hill crest.
I recommend turning off the on screen pace notes. Teaches you to listen carefully and doesn't distract you
I know this comment is old but I wholeheartedly disagree, although I see what you’re saying. The onscreen notes provide a visual example to what the words actually mean. Players begin to recognize what 5 right actually looks like with a visual example
@R3SAX obviously not, but this is a video game and new players will have an easier time getting started if they can see the directions on the screen.
@R3SAX how about you go practice getting bitches 💀
@R3SAXMe personally I don’t use the on screen page notes, that’s only because I have about 300 hours in dirt rally 2.0. My point is that new players to rally cross may find it easier to associate numbers with turns if they do have the notes on screen.
@R3SAX you do make a valid point that it makes the game more realistic
Keep in mind that the top rally drivers can process all of these notes and warnings at over 100 mph
I can’t even go 20 mph without under steering into a wall on Dirt rally 2.0
Yes it is very impressive, but may I ask on dirt rally 2.0 are you using controller or steering wheel. Cuz if your using a controller that is the reason lol need a simulator to get maximum benefits from DR2.0
@@al-dorifto1631 I use Logitech g920
@@MJY5drives I use to have that now I got a tmx but they both on par really. Both shit lol but better than a Bungie lol
@@al-dorifto1631 ah, that’s why, I’m playing on controller, thanks for letting me know
@@MJY5drives so, there are a few settings in the tuning you need to tweek.
in t he drive train you wanna typically lower the top two bars a notch or two, and the bottom bar raise a notch or two.
on top of that RWD cars have a lot of over steer. you really want to raise the gear ratio. i typiclaly raise it ten notches all they down th e board.
really helps those spinny cars you know?
NASCAR: “Turn left. Turn left. Turn left.” 😂
Thanks so much for this video! I'm 64. My son introduced me to Dirty Rally a few years ago. When he moved out last year, he gifted me with a PS4 and a full VR rig including wheel, shifter, and peddles. I love playing Dirt Rally! Besides being just good, clean, non-violent gaming fun, it's a good stress reliever. Being I have a minor handicap of audio-video sensory processing delay, I have relied on the visual aids in the game more than the audio because I do not quite understand the audio. This helps a great deal with both the video displays and audio input!! Looking forward to improving my rank! I'll get a chance to play again with my son later this month. Hopefully I'll be able to surprise him with some improvements. Thanks again!
Hey are you there are you actually 63? What’s you sons age?
@@Rick_Astley_Fan861 12
My dad used to rally, but retired because of a broken femur (hit a tree while doing 100 or so in his mazda 323 after an unwritten crest). He told me that here in centeral Europe codrivers usually use numbers 1-10 for the turns. I prefer words, like fast, medium, sharp and so on. Great video!
That’s awesome! Sorry to hear about his accident though, rallying is as dangerous as it is beautiful. Thanks for watching and sharing 😊
So you prefer Sega Rally
In Finland most drivers use descriptive notes including Kalle Rovanperä.
Damn The fact that I learned all of this on my own playing wrc 10 for a few hours just shows how genius the “language” they came up with is.
Totally agree!
I think you're also exceptionally good at learning languages on the go!
@@unfa00 My french and german teachers would tell you otherwise
Same but with WRC 2 on the 360
I prefer the dirt rally Co-driver because he says the number first because its easy to get the speed when going into corners
SAMIR SAMIR PLEASE LISTEN YOU ARE NOT LISTENING SAMIR YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR 😂😂 one of the best clips of all time
I like the Brazilian co-driver on Dirt Rally 2 because he is the same voice actor who made Goku in Dragonball Z in portuguese
I'll never forget the first time I heard my codriver say "chicane" and sure enough I hit every single part of the blockage and totaled my car, due to not knowing what a chicane was. Wish I would have studied pace notes when I started playing Rally games, this video was great even now
Glad you enjoyed it :) Yes I am sure you aren't the only one!
-"Chicane"
+"Who are you calling a chicken?" *Accelerates*
I loved listening to Nicky Grist in every game he played his role as the mittfahrer. His calm voice and pinpoint accurate pacing on the notes really made you feel like going flatout. I'm from Hungary, and it would be nice to hear a real co-driver of our nationality on games like this, but hey, if I can understamd what they say, I'll be happy
Rallysimfans version of Richard Burns Rally (known by many as the best rally sim) has a Hungarian co-driver as well as English.
I picked up on quite a few of these when an old roommate and I would do time attack against each other on Colin McRae Rally 3. The way I learned the notes was 6 is flat out, 5 is lift throttle, 4 is lift and brake, 3 is when you get in the 90° range so lift and heavier brake, 2 is less than 90° so heavy brake, 1 you should basically treat like a hairpin. Thank you for the breakdown, it helps round out some of the words I never quite picked up in real time with only audio.
Achivement unlocked:
"Samir, you will not break the car"
Finally understand how to drive with co-driver
we are stage rallying our classic mini and slowly improving on our pace note techniques - this video although focused on gaming has to be one of the best we have found and it has been super helpful - thank you
That’s great to hear, really glad you found it so useful! Best of luck with your rallying 😄
Helpful tips when taking Jumps.
ALWAYS remember, Once your tires are not on the Ground, DO NOT Turn.
Why? You not only can but WILL throw the car into a whole new direction you are not ready for and you will probably also be meeting, trees. Also when airborne braking can and WILL change your momentum. Physics is crazy. Also this means your wheels, are not spinning as fast when you land, which, the rest of your car, will not approve of. And that's not something you want.
Cut/Don't Cut. Sometimes you will hear "Cut" or "Don't Cut"
Don't cut means "DO NOT Cut this Corner Short." You may think "Well, I can." I tried this, and met a stump. You may also meet a rock on that inside of the corner.
Cut means you can cut the corner short. Taking a much tighter line then you may expect. Cut/Don't Cut Usually applies to Tight Turns.
Fun Fact:
Forza Horizon 1 has a Rally DLC (It's Delisted) and it's Pace Notes, are not great. But hey. It's there, unlike Gran Turismo.
Great advice for everyone, thanks!
Gas to nose up, brake to nose down, clutch on landing, clutch kick on landing for maximum fun.
I don't know how much this works for cars, but with off road racing trucks or buggies, breaking in the air causes the truck to take a more nose down attitude and accelerating lifts the nose. The flatter your vehicle lands the less damage to vehicle and crew. Landing on your front wheels bends the chassis, tears the suspension loose or bursts tires. Its hard to drive hard with your co-drive mostly screams over bumps and jumps and worse when its the driver.
Just wanted to say that not every rally game uses this system. Richard Burns Rally uses the Easy/Medium/Hard/Kay system, while Rallisport Challenge used a 1-9 system, with 1 being the easiest and 9 being the hardest corner.
Not only useful and interesting guide, even though I have never tried true rally game, you also showed here 2 ŠKODA MODELS!!! 😃. As an czech, I am very honored by this, including Fabia R5 and Fabia from 2000s , amazing , thank you! :)
Glad you liked it!
this is the most well done explanation video of youtube - The fact that you explained the meaning of the numbers and to relate to gears is a genius explanation that will help lot of people.
Appreciate it!
Not really confused about the pace notes but I still enjoyed watching this, great job
Thanks!
A horror story in two words:
"Don't cut"
Regret is imminent.
"Don't cut"
"Don't tell me what to do Phil!"
TERMINAL DAMAGE
I always give it as Don't, because we were told if you say don't cut, it sounds too much like cut.
Which is the last thing you want!
I have been playing Dirt Rally for more than 100 hours and always ignored the Co driver. Then when I play the 2.0 and actually listen to the co-driver, my experenice and composure is much better. this leads more better timing and more fun. I used be to very cautious when my gear was 4 or more because I didn't know what to do when a square or haripins are ahead. Now, I can go on 5 gear on full thorttle with no worries.
and my tip, Dont cut
Yeah it sucks because i like to play while listening to music but obviously that hinders your ability to concentrate/listen to your notes.
I might try to see if i can get used to it
I hate the fact that you're seriously underrated. Keep going man, your vids are awesome
One thing to note: in some countries the numbers to describe corners are the other was around
Ah thanks for the info!
It's crazy how important it is to use your own language for pacenotes. I really like rallying in Assetto Corsa, but there are only english pacenotes avaible. Even though I can understand english absolutely fine and the range of words used are very limited, I still need that extra little bit longer to process.
Bro this is the best video to learn this fast. Concise, paced and segmented perfectly.. Thank you genuinely for teaching me!
Fantastic video, just got my hands on Dirty Rally 2.0 and needed this, I had a vague idea but nothing in depth and now I’m literally MOWING through stages :) thank you for this very useful and straightforward guide!
Dirty rally lol sounds like a niche crossover game
@@stevecarter8810 Its the XXX remake!
This is a perfect video. I struggled with WRC 10 since I was playing mostly GT and F1 games. This is really helping me. Thank you so much!
Great to hear it, appreciate the comment!😊
Really well made videos. You deserve more views
Appreciate the comment!
I’ve been doing well racing online by trial and error. Finally decided to actually learn.. thanks for being informative and clear, i really appreciate finding the exact video I was looking for ❤
+++ points for including Sameer's co-driver
Dude thank you so much! I am a Brazilian and is specially hard to understand some parts when playing dirt 3, now with your guide, I can fully understand what the co driver is saying, tysm!
That’s great to hear, thanks! Best of luck 😄
@@TraxionGG 😁
SAMMY YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR
Its Samir bucko
Okay this is silly to admit but the most immediately useful thing I got from this vid is now I know what the co-driver was trying to tell Samir.
This is one of the best pacenotes guides I could find.Thanks for the Video 😁
Samir should take notes from this video
thank you to bring me the first stage in every event ..... from drift and rice sim games to rally you make me understand how to mix it both and get the best result of rally ....i never thought i can drive that fast and drift that smooth knowing what i'm gonna face next over and over ,,, after few days of practicing i learned how to drive the co-diver sights on my gearbox and engine sound then i start to understand how to tune my car for different stages ..thank you so much ..
I love the pacenotes in dirt 3. Probably my favorite racing game ever
The closing words, mentioning Derek Ringer from way back in CMR4, among more popular Phil Mills and Nicky Grist, was a nice touch :D
I already understand but this was fun to watch
Very helpful! I wasnt sure what the heck my co driver was talking about. Thanks!
In WRC 10 I hear a lot of times “keep in” after a corner call. What does this mean ?
Hi, this simply means try and keep to the inside of the road as you exit the corner. Usually it will be because of some danger on the outside of the corner as you exit 🙂
@@TraxionGG So, if there is an obstruction at the inner apex of the corner, would the copilot say "keep out"?
@@largol33t1 yep
@@largol33t1 the copilot will say "farewell"
I remember Wales in dirt rally 1 had a lot of keep in calls at the many tight corners in the forest because the good camber helps the car turn in nicely and I dont think they say good camber in pace notes as opposed to bad camber haha.
Thank you, really informative video! Just yesterday I was watching an onboard rally video and I assumed the numbers were the gears 😂
You can get away with that sometimes, but not always😂 Appreciate the comment!
While I think these rally tutorial videos are helpful, I also think the little nuances of Rally are much better learned through driving experience and learning the hard way.
It's kind of magical looking at these videos if you learned by yourself seeing how without teaching you most likely adapted to the same majorly used techniques by most drivers
Whats so special about rally is how ingeniously simple it is on the surface. Everybody uses the same techniques (depending on the car/drivetrain) and yet it comes down to the driver's experience to perform them which sets people apart
Im with you on that, 100%!
I was a bit like that myself, have been playing rally games for long enough now that when it came to writing this script, it didn’t really require any research. I had to check to make sure I was on the right path with certain things just in case, but generally it I’ve picked things up through hours and hours of playing myself.
Might be trickier for some than others though. Some may have a language barrier that makes it less natural, some might just want clarification over specific instructions, whilst others may never have the time to learn the notes themselves and just want a less frustrating experience from the get go.
Thanks for checking out the content, and best of luck with your rallying!😊
Also the codriver's skills. There is a lot for them to think about and manage, not to mention keeping their head when they've almost gone off!
Absolutely brilliant driving. What an amazing rig setup you have. I’m sure you get real practice value out of that.
Excellent!! Thoroughly enjoyed that video. Lots of detail and info that was well explained.
Dear Colin McRae of the Rally sim, thank you for bestowing this knowledge upon a wonder-lust driven novice rally enthusiast.
I shall use it wisely and inform Sammir to LISTEN TO THE CALLS!
Haven’t really played rally games before, but liking this video for “the numbers, mason.”
(That and how cleanly composed this video is; wonderfully informative and detailed.)
Thanks for this content, man. I have started to understand and finally enjoy this game as I thought I would now.
I’m glad to hear it, enjoy 😊
Just getting into rally. Thanks for a great video, it's very clear
I just got this video recommended to me while sitting and taking a break before starting my next round of Dirt Rally 2.0 haha
I taught myself too understand pacenotes well as I had everything right
Great job on this vid mate. I've been rally gaming for decades and have gotten by on the information I was given, with good results, but some of it was instinctive reaction to situations because I didnt REALLY understand what my co was telling me. This has clarified a few for me. Thumbs up!!!
Great to hear, thanks for the comment!
This video helped me a lot to improve, thank you! Keep up this amazing content:)
Glad to hear it!
i just bought wrc 7 (its now downloading) thank you so much for making this video.
I just got back into rally sims and I basically just got a feel for what speed I could carry into corners for the 1-6 but I had always wondered that after bit of say "Left 6 100". Glad your video explained that and a few other things I was unsure of!
A very useful and well presented guide . Thanks a lot !
You are very welcome! 🙂
Thank you this is really helpful for learning regular race tracks as well
Thanks brother 👌 I'm on Xbone and controller, but this game feels and looks amazing. I kind of grasped the concept of the calls, but this really helped me understand it fully. Great video!
Having just introduced myself to WRC 7 I have lost podiums due to not listening to my co-driver and thinking I could take the corner I'm Samir "Shuddup" and then boom the car goes flying and I get a 9-second penalty. Now that I understand his instructions through your video I'm gonna keep my mind and mouth shut and just drive properly...
Very very well explained.
Would be so epic, if either wrc or dirt rally ever put in Samir’s co driver 😂
RBR Pro actually has a Samir mode, well worth a look😂
@@TraxionGG woooow rly ?? Definitely will ! 😂
ruclips.net/video/YyhhShvpV2I/видео.html
Thank you for a basic introduction to pacenotes. I have a better understanding.
Glad it was helpful!
I watched this video and my lap times increased by 20 seconds, Thank you.
I understand those pace notes since Sega Rally lol
“Samir, you’re breaking the car” !!!
I turn these to simple whenever possible so they sound more like the old Sega Rally (Easy Left, Medium Right, etc) If I can't do that I always turn it off... if I can't do THAT... well now I know how to at least get information from their constant chatter, so I appreciate the video!
Not a bad idea to be fair! Glad you liked the video 😊
This is extremely useful for me
I ran through dirt 3
It's still fun as hell and with this i know what they said even better
Thanks brother
Thanks for your explanation! This is so helpful to know what co-drivers say. I only hear they are rapping all the time😂
Thanks for this video! I’ve really gotten into WRC this year; I bought WRC+ (since streaming and TV options are nonexistent here in the U.S.) and WRC 10 on my Series X. This is super helpful!
You are very welcome! I'm also a WRC+ subscriber, the championship has been in a really strong state now for 4 or 5 years and it's just epic to watch😎 - John
This explains soo much just starting out with wrc10.
As a DiRT Rally 2.0 player this video is now in my possession on my SSD.
🙌
The formula is similar to Gran Turismo, in that game the recommended gear flashes in red.
i remember in GT4, when there was no racing like yet, they also functioned as braking points, at least most of the time
Thank you very much. And the gearing benchmark is very helpful too.
Good to know, well made Video sir.
I'm getting better everday in dirt Rally 2.0 and this will help me alot of course. Maybe i'll try wrc 10 some times again but i had some big issues with the car handling in that game 😅
I just started playing and I thought number call outs were telling me the gear to be on lol, thx this will help a lot
A very well thought out video, Awesome stuff @TraxionGG !! 😎👍
I don’t even like racing games, but i found this guide helpful and interesting
What a great video. I needed this as I'm getting back to wrc 9. Subbed.
Glad it’s been helpful!
Respect for every co-driver🔥
Great video. Very helpful. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Such a great video! I wish I seen ages ago! Thank you 😀
Good explanation. And I love that you included Samir. That made me laugh 😂
DiRT Rally 1 has another warning.
"deceptive"
Meaning that you might see it differently from what was called, and go with your eyes, not what was called. I didn't listen to my co-drive a couple of times, got thrown out of the turn. And it's not that I DECIDED to take on my own, I thought it was safer with my instincts. When you hear "deceptive" - BRAKE. Do NOT try to go as you wanted to. Replay the stage again, or better yet, fin all the stages that have deceptive, don't memorise them and learn to listen and ACT on DECEPTIVE warning.
that's the coolest intro I ever saw
Excellent Rallye Nav vid - thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
I'll try to "take advantage of" the advice you provide at the end of the video...Anyway, very well explained video...Thumb up and subscribed to the channel!!!
"Flat very long...into unknown hairpin...into...deadmeat..."
happened all the time for me when i started playing DR and had no idea why a co-driver was there.
Great video! since i just started with Dirt Rally 2.0 i really needed this tutorial since i barely know what the co-driver's saying lol
Glad to hear it!
The numbers, mason. I love that call of duty link
Man this is game changing
Thank you for this video, this really helped me with dirt rally 2.0
Glad to hear it!
Funny thing is I learned these on my own on these games they are really self explanatory
Great explanation. I always wondered what it all meant.