I come from a wrestling background and I think a good tip to add onto that scooping motion is to also use your head as a lever. I know it's a minor detail, but at advanced levels of any sport, minor details are crucial. I'm not familiar with other grappling sports/arts, but I thought I should point out something others might find useful. Great job on the instructing though!
so simple. i cant believe i didn't think of it earlier. i train BJJ with the gi but i suck in grip fighting, i would say that is my main problem. would love one of these videos just to show how to undo different types of grips.
This is why you wrestle in school (both high school and college) and you do jiu jitsu during vacations and go to an MMA gym during the weekends once in a while. Learn everything, but learn your grappling arts separately from what you learn at the gym. Or easier, convert what you learned on the mat to do in the gym.
Unlike the wrapping double leg, this one protects the spine from a strike. This is something judokas likely had to concern themselves with during its founding.
Shame though that most Judo gyms train for competition and focus almost exclusively on the legal techniques. As it stands, Wrestling > Judo on the feet and BJJ > Judo on the ground. I believe all grapplers can benefit from training Judo, but wrestling and submission grappling/BJJ are vital.
Depends on the school or gym. If it's a very competition focused school then they might have an issue with it because their goal is to train and put out people that will compete, win tournaments and possibly break through to the Olympic level, which has a rule set which I'm not too fond of because they've stripped a lot of the traditional Judo out. If you get into a school like mine which is a more pure and traditional type Judo which has a good split between competition style and traditional techniques such as the above leg takedowns then you'll be fine. It's even better when there is a good focus on newaza. One of the main things that makes me dislike IJF rules is the neutering of newaza. We train that shit so much you'd think we are a BJJ gym. But it's so useful and makes your ground game so solid. Judo ground game is beautiful and aggressive as hell but so many schools shit on it. Double legs and single legs were some of the first things we got taught. So hopefully you can find a similar school or gym. I also did sone folk style before Judo and the better guys punished me heavily for going for the back. As a newcomer it's not the easiest to deal with until you learn the Judo dynamic but I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Probably because in judo if the guy gets thrown onto his back, it's an ippon, and the match is over. But in wrestling the game goes on after the takedown.
i play rugby and this is basically a tackle. i don't try to lift heavier blokes in a tackle preferring to fall over with them or take them off balance rather than power tackling them. It's not the most efficient technique for a heavier opponent.If however you have your heart set on it train deadlifts or squats in a gym so you can more easily lift the larger chap.
"strikes stikes?" Because It seems that this is submissions 101 - not strikes 101. Also in most Judo/Jiujitsu competitions there's no striking. Just hazarding a guess. Although I agree about the technique once at full speed. @ Submissions 101 - excellent video ,great audio/video, good explanation.
***** Are you talking about something like a pro-wrestling powerbomb? Because that and a double-leg takedown are separate things. Powerbombs involve you pulling the guy up and smashing him, doubles have you just yank on the dude's legs hard enough for him to fall over.
+Anonymous User There's lots of sports that allow shot style takedowns and they don't have like millions of people breaking their necks all the time... >.>
Charles Arnoud I notice you posted that a year ago, but if you're interested in gripfighting I've learned a LOT from Emily Kwok. She has a bunch of videos on different types of jujitsu, I especially liked her series with Stephan Kesting, where she really stresses gripfighting and framing before going for position or takedowns. Its a weird idiosyncrasy I noticed, but a lot of her deflections and hand movements from a standing position resemble very closely stuff that we used to do in Wing Chun sticky hands.
How do you breakfall with double leg attacks? I'm not a fan of double legs as I feel they take too long and a lot of energy. What do they call single leg in Japanese??
Would this be better to use compared to the wrestling double leg takedown, considering the sideways throw allows you into a position where you pass his guard.
12x12surface I mean... A double leg is a double leg, man. Off the top of my head I'd say that in wrestling their double leg you take more of a penetrating step between the legs and go down to a knee (Sometimes) where as in most Judo throws it seems like they prefer to stay on their feet and not go to their knees as much. Bottom line, we all have two arms and two legs. There's only so many ways to effectively use your body to throw someone down and most cultures/styles on earth have figured most ways out. 95% of grappling is the same everywhere, the last 5% is what makes them different. Learn from EVERYTHING you can, dude. If Judo is your jam then cool, but I do mostly BJJ and I can tell you learning from other styles is something that gives me an edge (Not that I'm amazing or anything) but learning from other arts is definitely something that has helped me become a better grappler.
+ChamorruWarrior This is more applicable to BJJ, since everything in judo, everything in wrestling, and basically everything in any other grappling art is allowed.
Old comment, but it really just depends on your teacher. Some will teach banned moves, some will teach moves based on what’s legal. My teacher for example teaches moves that involve touching the legs
@@hellotcautiver my judo coach taught because still in the kata curriculum. Such a shame they arent legal, from self defence view useful to know what to do if someone grabs legs and for BJJ. I cross train BJJ and judo and started Catch
@@tomsheppard378 I do judo wrestling and some BJJ mixed in. The judo has a lot of crossover into wrestling despite the gi, but it’s good to cross train wrestling to learn how to defend against leg attacks
What's up guys? I'm a amateur practicer of Judo and Sanshou. I know the basic defence to morote gari is the sprawl. But when I attack the morote gari and my opponent defends it with the sprawl what can i do to escape or throw(specially throw) him without put my knees on the ground? (It's Because in Sanshou we can't put the knees on the ground, otherwise it is a point for my opponent) I would really like to see a video about it (if it's possible)!! I didn't find nothing about this! By the way, your videos have been a big help to me! Congratulations!! (And Sorry for any mistake i wrote, i'm learning english yet!!) Brazilian Regards!!
Little off topic but I see a pattern with most martial arts...How many 12 year olds black belts do you know in jiujitsu? That’s why it’s the best. You get to mature in the art
You must be new here. With this double leg takedown you end up in side control, once the feet are off the ground there is almost no time to close your guard or catch a guillotine which can't even be done from bottom of side control. Plus anyone who knows what they're doing will point their head up to the ceiling while taking their opponent down which makes it much much harder to wrap the arm around the neck.
IS HE FUCKING KIDDING ME?! i love how he just downplayed a wrestling double leg. who the fuck shoots straight in with 2 arms blocking the path. no wrestler does. gi or no gi you either snap his arms off pop one up for a high c or pull a russian off the hand thats on the collar
+asking w feluja and im sorry but who the fuck just flops over from a little pull on the legs... im not saying judo is bad but this takedown is. the setup is alright tho
+asking w feluja Actually it's very common in MMA. The only detail Judokas and jii jitsu player allow you to leave out is dropping the knee, will I guess also not cutting the corner.
okay im a fan of this account, BUT, why the fuck do you wait for us to watch 2 minutes 30 seconds into the damn video to say "Ohh, prolly wont work well in competition" THE FUCK?
Hate watching people demonstrate on dudes (usually blue belts) that are smaller than the speaker... seems like a cop-out. Just thought I'd let you know that I appreciate your "demonstration victim" guy!
Well, there is still free style judo and JIU JITSU where it is NOT illegal. Rules ebb and flow. Don't let rule sets limit your learning.
I come from a wrestling background and I think a good tip to add onto that scooping motion is to also use your head as a lever. I know it's a minor detail, but at advanced levels of any sport, minor details are crucial. I'm not familiar with other grappling sports/arts, but I thought I should point out something others might find useful. Great job on the instructing though!
💯💯💯 that’s how I was taught
"place him down very nicely"
I love you guys, your channel and Stephan Kesting's are the best martial arts channels on youtube! Keep up the good work.
so simple. i cant believe i didn't think of it earlier.
i train BJJ with the gi but i suck in grip fighting, i would say that is my main problem. would love one of these videos just to show how to undo different types of grips.
Could you ask for his future videos could he please do once at full speed, I like to see the Impact that a technique has.
is morote gari banned?
I used to love using this throw would it work with a double belt grip ?
Hi Matt is there freestyle judo in Australia?
When he sprawls, you can also "cut the corner" to take the back. Basically you go behind him like you would for a duck under.
This is why you wrestle in school (both high school and college) and you do jiu jitsu during vacations and go to an MMA gym during the weekends once in a while. Learn everything, but learn your grappling arts separately from what you learn at the gym. Or easier, convert what you learned on the mat to do in the gym.
Great demonstration for regular and turning morote gari!
Unlike the wrapping double leg, this one protects the spine from a strike. This is something judokas likely had to concern themselves with during its founding.
It’s similar to a blast double leg in wrestling.
I used to do Baseball bat grip and yank the same way scoop and throw x) You guys always make great vids!
Can you also use this set up to do Te Guruma?
one of my favorite throw
Shame though that most Judo gyms train for competition and focus almost exclusively on the legal techniques. As it stands, Wrestling > Judo on the feet and BJJ > Judo on the ground.
I believe all grapplers can benefit from training Judo, but wrestling and submission grappling/BJJ are vital.
I have trouble doing this against heavier opponents. Any tips?
He said the variation does not work well in competition. Not the one he demonstrates at the beginning and end of the video.
Im a wrestler who might start training judo. Will they get the hump if I double leg a lot? It was my bread and butter.
Depends on the school or gym. If it's a very competition focused school then they might have an issue with it because their goal is to train and put out people that will compete, win tournaments and possibly break through to the Olympic level, which has a rule set which I'm not too fond of because they've stripped a lot of the traditional Judo out. If you get into a school like mine which is a more pure and traditional type Judo which has a good split between competition style and traditional techniques such as the above leg takedowns then you'll be fine. It's even better when there is a good focus on newaza. One of the main things that makes me dislike IJF rules is the neutering of newaza. We train that shit so much you'd think we are a BJJ gym. But it's so useful and makes your ground game so solid. Judo ground game is beautiful and aggressive as hell but so many schools shit on it.
Double legs and single legs were some of the first things we got taught. So hopefully you can find a similar school or gym. I also did sone folk style before Judo and the better guys punished me heavily for going for the back. As a newcomer it's not the easiest to deal with until you learn the Judo dynamic but I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Also i dont see very many Atemi strikes in your videos Why is that?
how come in wrestling you drop your knee but in judo you do not?
Because dropping your knees for a double or single is a bad habit that can get your knees fucked up in the street that why.
Probably because in judo if the guy gets thrown onto his back, it's an ippon, and the match is over. But in wrestling the game goes on after the takedown.
Because in wrestling people are in their stance, Judo doesn't have this limitation
Because of the wrestlers stance. Its crouched so in order to actually get to the legs, you are so low your knee is touching the floor
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i play rugby and this is basically a tackle. i don't try to lift heavier blokes in a tackle preferring to fall over with them or take them off balance rather than power tackling them. It's not the most efficient technique for a heavier opponent.If however you have your heart set on it train deadlifts or squats in a gym so you can more easily lift the larger chap.
how about some aikido vids?
"strikes stikes?"
Because It seems that this is submissions 101 - not strikes 101. Also in most Judo/Jiujitsu competitions there's no striking.
Just hazarding a guess.
Although I agree about the technique once at full speed.
@ Submissions 101 - excellent video ,great audio/video, good explanation.
Why the fuck did the IJF ban this?
Evolfurnace Because you can slam the fuck out of his head and snap his neck
*****
Are you talking about something like a pro-wrestling powerbomb? Because that and a double-leg takedown are separate things. Powerbombs involve you pulling the guy up and smashing him, doubles have you just yank on the dude's legs hard enough for him to fall over.
Evolfurnace No, I'm talking about morote gari. People have smashed their heads and snapped necks with this.
Evolfurnace Also, I don't watch "pro" wrestling, so have no idea what you're talking about when you bring up "moves" from that
+Anonymous User There's lots of sports that allow shot style takedowns and they don't have like millions of people breaking their necks all the time... >.>
Charles Arnoud I notice you posted that a year ago, but if you're interested in gripfighting I've learned a LOT from Emily Kwok. She has a bunch of videos on different types of jujitsu, I especially liked her series with Stephan Kesting, where she really stresses gripfighting and framing before going for position or takedowns. Its a weird idiosyncrasy I noticed, but a lot of her deflections and hand movements from a standing position resemble very closely stuff that we used to do in Wing Chun sticky hands.
How do you breakfall with double leg attacks? I'm not a fan of double legs as I feel they take too long and a lot of energy. What do they call single leg in Japanese??
Kuchiki taoshi
Would this be better to use compared to the wrestling double leg takedown, considering the sideways throw allows you into a position where you pass his guard.
+12x12surface Wrestling has double legs that you turn the person on their side as well.
+ChamorruWarrior
So what is the difference between the two? Or is there no difference???
12x12surface I mean... A double leg is a double leg, man. Off the top of my head I'd say that in wrestling their double leg you take more of a penetrating step between the legs and go down to a knee (Sometimes) where as in most Judo throws it seems like they prefer to stay on their feet and not go to their knees as much.
Bottom line, we all have two arms and two legs. There's only so many ways to effectively use your body to throw someone down and most cultures/styles on earth have figured most ways out. 95% of grappling is the same everywhere, the last 5% is what makes them different.
Learn from EVERYTHING you can, dude. If Judo is your jam then cool, but I do mostly BJJ and I can tell you learning from other styles is something that gives me an edge (Not that I'm amazing or anything) but learning from other arts is definitely something that has helped me become a better grappler.
+ChamorruWarrior This is more applicable to BJJ, since everything in judo, everything in wrestling, and basically everything in any other grappling art is allowed.
Love your videos. Really familiar with this one though, 8 years wrestling ;)
Thanks for this. Does leg takedowns having been banned mean just in competition - i.e., are they still taught in the dojo?
Old comment, but it really just depends on your teacher. Some will teach banned moves, some will teach moves based on what’s legal. My teacher for example teaches moves that involve touching the legs
@@hellotcautiver my judo coach taught because still in the kata curriculum. Such a shame they arent legal, from self defence view useful to know what to do if someone grabs legs and for BJJ. I cross train BJJ and judo and started Catch
@@tomsheppard378 I do judo wrestling and some BJJ mixed in. The judo has a lot of crossover into wrestling despite the gi, but it’s good to cross train wrestling to learn how to defend against leg attacks
Nice. Right into side control. I'm trying it.
nice work!
What's up guys?
I'm a amateur practicer of Judo and Sanshou. I know the basic defence to morote gari is the sprawl. But when I attack the morote gari and my opponent defends it with the sprawl what can i do to escape or throw(specially throw) him without put my knees on the ground? (It's Because in Sanshou we can't put the knees on the ground, otherwise it is a point for my opponent)
I would really like to see a video about it (if it's possible)!! I didn't find nothing about this!
By the way, your videos have been a big help to me! Congratulations!!
(And Sorry for any mistake i wrote, i'm learning english yet!!)
Brazilian Regards!!
Everton oliveira castro i'm gonna combine this with silat since it seems to work pretty well
Banned in Judo
judo hernandez Well, banned in competition
IJF is killing judo!
judo hernandez
It's just a competition organization. This stuff is still taught and practiced in dojos, which are the true lifeblood of the sport.
Anonymous User well said
Not in freestyle judo
i think it works in competition, the 1st way, at least to me idk, ty for the video
Very nice video
i reckon i'll apply this to restling, a kind if upward arm-drag to double? i'll ask my wrestling coach :). good vid :)
Little off topic but I see a pattern with most martial arts...How many 12 year olds black belts do you know in jiujitsu? That’s why it’s the best. You get to mature in the art
Nice move. But, now, everything in this tutorial is illegal in judo.
Even that I'm in MMA Judo is very aplicable on the street. There you have clothes and it's useful to know.
I LIKE
Very good video.
nice tip, thank you!
You must be new here. With this double leg takedown you end up in side control, once the feet are off the ground there is almost no time to close your guard or catch a guillotine which can't even be done from bottom of side control. Plus anyone who knows what they're doing will point their head up to the ceiling while taking their opponent down which makes it much much harder to wrap the arm around the neck.
This is why underhooks and sprawling are much more effective defenses to takedowns than guillotines.
question for everyone: do you like or dislike that judo rules recently banned the double leg takedown?
Of course I dislike it, like most of the techniques that they have banned. It removed the authentic and practical side of Judo in favor of sport.
+user dislike of course
dislike
Everyone dislikes them
@@TheErenYeagerChannel use it for the streets then
Rules are only to set what is not allowed on competition but also like student is important know illegal moves
Ty
Use your shoulder and the edge of your hands inside the knees.
"Place him down really nicely" ;) lmao
beautiful! :)
Stupid ban rules, I hate the Olympics.
Same
So just don't grab legs during the competition :)
The fact that I'm doing judo doen't mean that now I have to forget all kickboing stuff.
exactly!! I'm totally right with you (Y) but if you want to be a member of IJF, you have to obey these rules!!!
rasanya tak ramai org malaysia tahu . silat je tahu
yea id probably not leave my head to the outside like that, keep it inside near the chest/armpit
Teaching a Judo technique for BJJ and said technique can't be used in Judo. Eh...
Clearly legal in freestyle Judo but of course not in "Olympic" Judo but regardless it's in curriculum
This is ok but you need to drop your lead knee to get low and under his hips. This will not work on anyone that has a good sprawl.
It's japanese jujutsu it's older than judo
That's true
Great tutorial but leg grab is now illegal in Judo. Judo really sucks now -.-
I do judo
BJJ will never be affected :)
Got it.
IS HE FUCKING KIDDING ME?! i love how he just downplayed a wrestling double leg. who the fuck shoots straight in with 2 arms blocking the path. no wrestler does. gi or no gi you either snap his arms off pop one up for a high c or pull a russian off the hand thats on the collar
edit what i mean to say is gi or no gi you have to clear itleast 1 arm
+asking w feluja and im sorry but who the fuck just flops over from a little pull on the legs... im not saying judo is bad but this takedown is. the setup is alright tho
+asking w feluja Actually it's very common in MMA. The only detail Judokas and jii jitsu player allow you to leave out is dropping the knee, will I guess also not cutting the corner.
+Grahamhg watch jordan burroughs then tell me its easy to stuff a double leg.
okay im a fan of this account, BUT, why the fuck do you wait for us to watch 2 minutes 30 seconds into the damn video to say "Ohh, prolly wont work well in competition"
THE FUCK?
By grapping that arm I would rather go to the back ?!
You ain't seen my son double leg, gi or no gi,
But they aren't going to just let go like the white gui guy does in this...
Hate watching people demonstrate on dudes (usually blue belts) that are smaller than the speaker... seems like a cop-out. Just thought I'd let you know that I appreciate your "demonstration victim" guy!
Kodokan/Olympic Judo is really jerky now... Its at times a disgrace. Hope you find a combat Judo club or a Ne-Waza Judo Club. -Regards!
This is pretty good my Sensei taught me this and single leg