Discussion with O.G. Rose on the Work of Kafka
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- Опубликовано: 3 мар 2022
- Hello everyone, and welcome back! While I am just getting back into things, I thought I would share part of a discussion had with good friend, Daniel, over at O.G. Rose, where we discuss the literature and philosophy of Franz Kafka. The section of the conversation here is considering the significance, or interpretation of the panther in Kafka’s The Hunger Artist. You can find below everything mentioned in the introduction to this video!
Link to full discussion:
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O.G. Rose website:
www.og-rose.com/
Where to find “The Conflict of Mind: Major Epistemological Problems”:
www.amazon.com/Conflict-Mind-...
Essay, “Was Heidegger Really an Existentialist”:
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Essay, “Hegel and the Ontological Implications of ‘Pure Thought’ About What’s Not There”:
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I've always felt that Kafka was able to express an agony that is uniquely human. The part of us that looks for certainty by perceiving ourselves and the world through polarities that we classify as good or evil, and the suffering that comes from the cultivated inability to accept that the world and the individual is a synthesis of polarities, neither end of which can be completely rejected without destroying the other and thus the whole.
What a great comment! Thank you so much, and I completely agree. Reading his work with this in mind provides so much light into the world one may call Kafkaesque. Thank you!😊
@@attention5638 Well your video content seems to be inspiring a better articulation of my thoughts on these matters...so thank you 😊
Brilliant chat. Loved the reflections about art vs. entertainment and also your reference to Kirkegaard when it comes to the exact center point between damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Bread and butter for thought! 😎
Thank you so much! I have this tendency of inserting existential philosophers in everything I read 😅
Great to see you back discussing literature.
Thank you Jamie! It is nice to be back.😊
Great to see you back.
I've not read A Hunger Artist, but enjoyed the discussion all the same.
Hey Katja! Great to see you as well! It is a fantastic story I think everyone should read at some point. Even if one isn't a big fan of Kafka, this story always stands out.😊
Great video. I used to teach the Hunger Artist in the workshops I taught while in grad school. Kafka was a genius, ahead of his time. Great video. Fresh takes. This puts me in a great headspace to write some fiction. Thanks for sharing. Great to have a new upload. Hope you have a good day. Cheers!
This would be such a great story to teach in a class. Unfortunately, not a single time while at uni did we look at anything by Kafka. It is great to hear it put you in a positive space to write! Always good to hear!😎
Oh my goodness! So much energy in this discussion. Loving the vibes. Great video!!!
Oh! I missed this! Thank you so much! The energy is always good to have in these kind of discussions. 😊😊
@@attention5638 That energy is great to have in life!!!!
So true that we only believe the negative opinions yet are never certain of praise!
It is a sad situation, for sure. And nice to see you again! I hope all is well!😊
@@attention5638 yes, thank you Pae! Good to see you back as well - I hope things are good with you too!
Really love that concept of "is-ness." Hunger Artist sounds really good and I wanna give it a read!
Totally! I think you would like it much more than The Metamorphosis. There is no one sitting around a table doing paperwork in this one haha 😅💙
Yea! Welcome back Pae🤗 Ah the entertainment vs. Art debate... I could watch you talk about this all day!
Hey Kris! Great to see you again! And believe me, Daniel and I could talk about this all day! Haha
@@attention5638 I can tell you are both very passionate about this topic🤗
Yay! You are back! So happy to see ya! Will be looking forward to your videos again!
Thank you so much! Good to see you as well! 😊
This didn’t have comments available earlier. Guess it’s open since now since I’m no longer a kid. Yesss! Maturation!
Yeah, my setting switched all up on me for some reason. Or YT has just determined that I am very immature 😅
oh welcome back! I've been behind and just now saw this. Man, really excited to check out the essays when I have some time. Its funny you mentioned Either/Or, I am reading that currently.Anyways heading over for the full conversation.
Oh! I would love to hear your thoughts on Either/Or. It is foundational in understanding his work over all. I think you would really like O.G. Rose's channel and what he discusses there!😎
This discussion was great, especially when O.G Rose brings up how the panther is itself, it just is, and how the hunger artist can only ever become animal-like. This immediately made me think of everydayness and noneverydayness (probably because that’s what I just studied hahaha). Now what I say here may be off, but I still thought it was something interesting to think about! 😊
The panther seems to be in a state of everydayness where it just is and it cannot be anything else, but a panther. Based on our understanding of animals, the panther does not reflect on what it means to be, but rather is in the constant motion of being a panther. The hunger artist on the other hand sounds like he is trying to achieve success in becoming an animal as the panther is. However, as soon as the hunger artist observes that he is striving toward being an animal he seems to be put in a state of noneverydayness so he can only be animal-like. By being in the state of observing his being then can’t be the thing that he’s observing. (I am using this comment and video to help me with more examples to study it seems hahaha 😂🤣)
Now it sounds like, when talking about the art and entertainment, the panther can only be a form of entertainment because there is no internal reflection of being and strive to be towards something. Although I could be very off on this as well, this discussion had a lot of elements to think about!! 😊
Yes! Really great point on the panther, and I think Daniel has very similar comments in the full conversation. And to add to that, before the panther, the hunger artist is the artist in motion, but with the introduction of the other, in this case, the panther, the artist is in a changed position, not by his own fault, but by the way he is viewed in contrast with the other.
"the panther can only be a form of entertainment because there is no internal reflection of being and strive to be towards something." This is perfect! Absolutely--the panther's internal progress is instinct, while the artist's internal reflection goes completely against instinct. Going against instinct is the art--this could actually be said about all artists in a modern sense.
Hahaha, I love seeing you bro...welcome back
Thanks! I hope you have been well! 😎
@@attention5638 yes i have been well.
What an animated conversation! With so many great points. As contemplative as it is, the conversation is very relatable. I’m amazed sometimes we don’t all go crazy with the train wreck that is speculative cause and effect inner dialog
I completely agree with that! However, I am not so much convinced we are not all insane on the grand scale, at the end of the day.😅
Welcome back! Missed your videos
Hey Michael! It is nice to be back! Hope all has been well! 😊
Welcome back!
I love this so much💖💖💖
Thank you so much! Hope you are doing well! 😊
Such an interesting discussion! I haven't read The Hunger Artist, but I do want to read more Kafka. All his writing makes me think a lot.
I would love to hear your thoughts on his work. I think you would like a lot of it. 😊
Lively chat, fellas. I like the energy. Cheers!
#LFLR
"VBW"
Thank you very much, my friend! 😎
@@attention5638 Hell yeah, brother! \m/
I missed your creative content! Great to have you back 😊 such an interesting discussion on the emotional differences between man and animal.
Hey! Thank you so much! I am glad to be back.😊😎
First of all: Welcome back! I loved your point about entertainment and art--it seems to be the greatest quandary of my life. I suppose quandariness is my is-ness. Good to see you.
Thank you so much! And yes, I am with you on that--we share the same is-ness haha😅😊
Yay, happy to see you! Your friend is so animated and passionate about this conversation, it was nice to see the two of you discussing together :) The idea of "is-ness" and just being along with either/or is very intriguing. The question I'll be now pondering: am I truly a rational animal?
Thank you so much! It is always good to find someone that enjoys discussing these things!😊 And that is a long held question--if you find a reasonable (maybe rational) answer, please let me know! Haha
The cursed audio! It honestly was not that bad at all though. I really love this video format and of course it helps that the two of you are both clearly so passionate about the work you're discussing. I have not actually read "A Hunger Artist" but especially after hearing the points you touched on, I'm quite curious about it. On to the to-do list it goes! I know I've got a copy around here somewhere...
(Oh and "Where there's certainty there's scorn and where there's admiration there's not certainty" was just.... far too relatable lol)
Oh! You would really love The Hunger Artist--it does seem to be just your thing! One of the best stories that depicts what it is an artist does, within very art form. 😊😊
I habitually watch videos at 1.5 speed or higher. Definitely not an option with OG. Wouldn't it be lovely not to have to think about what others are thinking of us.
Hahaha 😅 I don't know if I would want to know what others think of me haha. I mean, in many cases, it would definitely come in handy, but in many others, it would probably just destroy me 😅
Real people?! 😱 🤣🤣🤣 this was so different and fun to watch!
Thank you! 😊 I do hope to be able to have more conversations with others in the future--at least with real people haha😅
Uuuuuh if I ever get a need to humble myself, I will ask you to discuss a book with me cause I feel like you would destroy every argument that I have and I'll be speechless. WELCOME BACK, I am going to binge watch all the videos, bye! :)
Oh hey! I was just listening to your discussion with Brandon!😅 I just saw you had two of them! Also, it is funny you say this, because I saw a video of yours where you brought up a really great point, and it is slipping my mind, but I remember thinking I was going to ask if you wanted to discuss it further. I will have to remember what that was! Haha
@@attention5638 Remember, cause the answer is yes 😁
@@ABlurbFromTheSerb I will go back and remeber it then! Haha
This is good - yeah, not being able to know what other people are thinking is torture for me!! I know they say what people think about you is none of your business, but I disagree! LOL I need to know, and not being able to know drives me crazy! And yes, spot on about only believeing the one person who doesn't like what you've done, or doesn't beleive in your talents. Example - I've had countless people tell me they love my singing voice, but the one that sticks in my head and fills me with doubt was the one who said, "you can't sing" (which happened to be my mother, lol). We don't know for certain the admiration is honest, but we also don't know if the put down is honest... yet that is what our brains tell us to believe. Yea, maybe I should have been a panther.
The more I think about it, the less I actually want to know what people think about me haha. It is best I just assume the worst, and if it is not the case, all the better haha. A panther would have been a better option 😅
@@attention5638 Naw, don't assume the worst. I'm sure people hold you in high regard! But me? Yeah, shoulda been a panther, LOL!!
This was a great interaction, but poor Stellar. You've got to be careful; he may start talking to "real" people too. No matter what Daniel says, I am animal. Let's not forget, it's the Year of the Tiger! :)
HAHAH, If Stellar starts talking to people without my knowledge, I may have to go away again for a bit haha. 😅
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Thank you so much! 😊
I feel like any unique sentence from this conversation could be set against a super 2010 kinda emo attempted artsy photo (of which I definitely haven’t taken an embarrassing number) and sold as a unmotivational poster 😂
Hahahaha, yeah, I can definitely see what you are saying haha.😅
*salutes*
Nothing nice or nasty to say about Russian literature at the moment, but I hope your path is prosperous and your dreams are cockroach-free.
But Kafka is from Progue! I believe he was Czech, if I remember correctly. And thank you! My path may have to drastically change for it to be prosperous 😅
Ah. My mistake. I consistently picture Kafka and Dostoyevski in a despair contest somewhere in the great beyond, but and getting whooped by, like, Chris Farley or something.
My apologies. Thank you for for the gentle correction :)
Look at you, talkin to another person! haha
I will do that sometimes. haha
You’re talking to real people?!! Drummer guy and sepia guy were left behind! 😱😱😱 Treason!
Hahah Ohh they will be back !😅