On Certainty: Conflict of Mind: Major Epistemological Problems
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In this conversation, Daniel and I discuss what it means to be certain, making the distinction between fact, truth and certainty. The points made in the conversation are taken from the book by O.G. Rose, found in the link below:
Conflict of Mind: Major Epistemological Problems:
www.amazon.ca/Conflict-Mind-M...
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@5:00 it’s reminds me of the Carl Jung quote about “humans don’t own ideas, ideas own humans” or something along those lines
Thank you so much for this wonderful video Pae and for taking the time to speak with Daniel and share your own reflections and insights on the topic of certainty from The Conflict of Mind! It is amazing to me how much and for how many years we are trained to think of certainty as the only standard of success and/or being correct. This does not prepare us well for real lived experience which will demand us to encounter the nuances and radical difference of the other. I think if we can learn to live with uncertainty, to live with the question as Rilke put it, we will be far better off. Very steep challenge, to be sure, but also far more rewarding, ironically, than what certainty illusively promises. Onwards to confidence! …also I like that confidence is related to the word confidant perhaps revealing how a relational epistemology is more in touch with our phenomenological experience and drives versus certainty, certainty which can sometimes unintentionally impede upon genuine relating. Thanks again Pae and Daniel! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
It is funny how such a seemingly simply word can have such a impact on what we mean and say without us realizing. There was so much in this conversation I took out, but will be doing a second part eventually. And the whole discussion takes place between two or three pages of the overall book 😅 I would have to create another channel to go over the whole thing haha
Marvellous! I am definitely going to watch this again.
Thank you so much! There is a lot packed in here, and probably for the best I split it up haha
So nice to see you back! Certainty, truth, and fact...really interesting concepts to be differentiated.
Oh, so good to see you here! And thank you so much, it was a really good talk, for sure!
Interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to part 2. It's good to have you back.
Hey John! Great to see you, hope all has been well!
This is "certainly" a phenomenal rundown and an interesting look at the tensions of articulation. Almost immediately Hume-orous as well. :)
Hahaha very Hume-orous. Always with the good puns 😅 Thank you!
Such an interesting video! The Conflict of Mind certainly seems to examine important ideas of existence and reality!
It very much does! The overall essay is really great!😎
“Intuition into understanding” - Since I’m having to read a bunch of fiction currently, I immediately related this to fiction. (All I say here is NOT certainty, only my emerging ongoing thoughts). These intuitions are not realized as an understanding or “certainty” until they are written which is interesting to me because fiction is not real and yet speaks to a knowing that is real, but cannot be pinned down. The certainty seems particular to one person, or group, culture and the knowing is shared in intuition. The details remembered of a story, the individual interpretations are certain, but the knowing the emergence of this feeling the story produces is know. Take, for example, The Sorrows of Young Werther. There would not have been a movement that resulted from the writing of this story had it not been for knowing. Certainty keeps us grounded yes, but like Daniel mentioned, it does have a negative. As one analysis of a story may become the main interpretation within a particular group of culture, there could be a deep underlying truth (not sure if I’m using truth right) missed from this “glossing over” of certainty. And now you have authors and philosopher rolling in their graves begging to come back to life hahaha. And, if “a thing that stops is a kind of death” then I must always be in motion, never to achieve and end, but rather to reveal what has been concealed which then, continues to conceal and that is the beauty of fiction. There is no way to be certain as even those great classic authors have written from knowing and it is only the illusion of certainty that has been captured by the other. They share the knowing and yet do not know each other so maybe the certainty will never be realized.
P.S. I cannot be certain that my bookcase is actually a bookcase. My bookcase is currently a house for my stuffed gingerbread man Crispin who enjoys showing up on my livestreams to watch people and make sure they’re studying. The books are only for decoration unless I am reading them.
P.P.S fantastic video! (Almost forgot to mention) Daniel is always great! 😊😊
Oh, there is so much here that I want to mention haha. One point you make that can be expounded on is what we mean by "fiction." We typically, or often, use it synonymous with "untruth" which is very misleading. There is truth in fiction, most good fiction has more truth in it than some history texts. But what is important is intentionality. Fiction typically aims at a particular truth that is best presented in a myth, legend, drama, so on and so forth. I think this is what you are getting at, with the concealed/unconcealed. This could very well turn into a very long discussion haha
@@attention5638 yes, that is essentially what I was trying to say, but I agree, this would end up being a very long discussion just by that point alone hahaha. Right now I am working on a theory I’m developing on how a truth seems better realized the more specific the writing is to a particular author, as in, this work is so certain to this author that is absolutely could not be replicated and through this, truth is better realized. The more general it is the more difficult it is to capture that truth…it’s too much to try and explain well in a comment, but my goal is to try and explain this concept the best I can in a short story. 🤔
@@GreenerSideOfSam Save POPPY! Ditch Crispin.😀😵😀😵
6:00 I rarely hear of people who know of Godel's incompleteness theorem. It's the basis for why I believe we can know some things absolutely for certain.
So funny how yt recommended this video to me, a few hours after I just left a philosophy lecture. People seem to have a really hard time grasping the difference between fact and truth.
Definitely! I have been wanting to make a video on Kant and Godel, as there is a lot there to compare/contrast. But that may be something I am constantly writing and never actually get around to filming.😅 And glad you found this! Hope it was somewhat beneficial after a philosophy lecture! 😊
This later part about the idea of certainty and the death of thought is interesting to think about in the context of Wittgenstein’s first book😂
Absolutely! In fact, the section, "Conflict of Mind" is written in declarative statements like the Tractatus! 😎
This video "certainly" made my head hurt 🤣🤣🤣 I do wish more people would watch this though... I would love to know how to deal with people who are certain about things, when I am certain about the opposite 😅
Oh! I just saw this! Thank you so much! I am glad you enjoyed it. It is an important distinction, for sure. 😊
I enjoyed this so much!
Oh good! I am glad to hear, it was a fun conversation, for sure! 😎
Interesting point on truth and fact! 🧐
I am glad to hear! There are so many words we are so used to using, we overlook the full implications of them! Always good to see you! 😊
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Like mentioned, often times certainty is used as a means to an end. It could be to win an argument or position people in a debate in a more vulnerable position. Been trying to watch videos of Ben Shapiro and Dinesh D’Souza, among others if only to try and gain a broader perspective for certain topics and a common problem I’m finding with both and actually many on both sides of the aisle and in the world debate is the need to be the alpha and win an argument/discussion/debate (doesn’t help that I don’t particularly like or emphasize with either, but hey, I’m trying lol) . Often people include comments to demean opinions and gain favor of a crowd but at least both examples I offered are people trying to out debate rather than find truth or facts or even aim for a resolution. It continues to adhere to what feels like toxic team sport mentalities in places where they shouldn’t be, this obsession with the need to win, which does harm more often than not. And fact is another word often thrown around with zero caution. In terms of the concept of certainty, it’s also often used to set someone’s mind at ease. “Did this happen? - Yes. Are you sure? - Yes. Are you certain?” And so on. True certainty I don’t think is actually possible and often we do the best we can with what we’ve got. I also think certainty is limited by our humanity and what we are able to perceive, which is a whole other ball of wax. As always, super interesting topic. Cheers to ya.
JD! So good to hear from you! So much to mention here! I do think it is a good idea to listen to those one does not typically agree with. At the very least, it helps to understand one's own side better. I do not emphasize with those two mentioned either, to say the least, but do think it is a good thing to listen and understand their position and, as you say, gain a broader perspective. But yes, that problem of being the "alpha" and winning an argument by all means necessary is more than often an incredibly bad tactic that involves purposely misleading half-truths, and it most certainly goes on at both ends of the aisle. These days, I have just tried to stay out of the American political scene. It has become far too depressing. You bring up a really good point I didn't think to bring up. That being, certainty used as a kind of comfort. It really goes to show the diversity of the word itself. Is that last comment on certainty a nod to Descartes's second meditation where he uses wax by way of reaching certainty? Haha, in any case, I look forward to hearing what you have been up to recently! Hope all has been well!
@@attention5638 Always great to exchange messages and been meaning to write but you know how life goes, SQUIRREL! Both people I mentioned I don't like and I also wanted to listen for the sake of giving their arguments a chance, but when the premise of one of those talks is to give your POV and essays to people who largely agree with you to bolster your confidence before "the show" it goes to show it's self serving and who knows if some of the liberal minded people invited are actors. It gets to that level. I can't deny both of them have intellect, but like you mentioned, often using half truths to promote an opinion while omitting SO much. It doesn't help that you have people whooping for the conserves, bro!!!!! American politics are certainly depressing and consistently disappointing for reasons best left to fester elsewhere. As for your comment on Descartes's second meditation, maybe some people need one certainty to achieve a great thing. But my example was more linked with my experience in advertising where it's psychological warfare depending on the client. Extra question, how do we achieve certainty beyond consensus? I always have a bit of an issue with certainties because so often certainties act in opposition to the pursuit of truth or again, resolutions. All's been definitely better and I'll be talking more about that soon, including about my upcoming books and adventures. But won't go in detail in the comment section, I'll drop a line soon. Cheers to ya
Fantastic - both the video AND seeing you again 🎉 Have you read “The master and his emissary”? VERY pertinent to this topic.
Tom! I am so glad you commented--I have been so caught up in this other project, I knew I had forgot something--there is still a few Cantos from Paradiso I have yet to hear the analysis! And no, I have not read that book you mention here, but have it written down and will look it up tonight, thank you!
@@attention5638 Great to hear about Paradiso, and yes, I would be shocked if you didn’t find that book among the most important ones that have been written in our century. It’s about left and right brain hemispheres, but it gets rid of pop stereotypes and goes VERY deep into it. Amazing stuff.
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So...if I don't MIND, it don't MATTER...right? Never mind, that's getting old.👴
Hahaha, nah, nothing gets old. 😅
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Thank you so much!