Borges: Library of Babel: Tautology and Infinity
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Borges: Library of Babel: Tautology and Infinity
In the last video, we discussed the epistemological implications of the library and how it translates to our own universe. In this video, we discuss what Borges means with "to speak is to fall into tautology," and find a way the library of Babel could be infinite, after all .
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You have given humanity the best analysis on “The Library of Babel” out there. Infinitely so.
Thank you so much! There is just so much to this story, I could make another five videos on it. I will have to end it somewhere haha😅
@@attention5638 I vote for five more! Six even!
Brilliant. Everything has been said or written, but not necessarily in the same way. It is totally just rearranging words. Reminds me of all the mindfulness gurus - Wayne Dyer, Esther Hicks, Deepak Chopra, Darryl Anka... etc. They really all say the same things, the same ideas and concepts, but in different packages to attract different audiences or to break through different mindsets. And music - there are only so many notes, but rearranging them is how we write new music. Rearranging words is how we write new books. But the notes, the words, the ideas, are not new. Invention IS realization (and maybe creativity as well!) Great video, as always.
I still need to go back and watch the other video. Wow this is such a fascinating concept!!
It is a really interesting story, I think you would like it-- it is a different kind of mystery 😊😎
Ok so I did not actually know about the library website but this just adds such a great level to this whole concept! I am fascinated. And... also looked up one of my favourite poetry lines I've written and found it in there which was a bit confronting lol I’ve read through The Library of Babel once now on a very surface level and will be taking a deeper dive next while keeping your points in mind. Thank you as always for provoking some infinitely wonderful thought 🖤
I have spent far too much time on the online library looking for a single word. 😅 I am glad to hear you are getting into his work! He is so great! 😊😎
As I mentioned, your 1st video on this made me think maybe I should go back to the story. After this one, I'm chomping at the bit now to go back to it. Really great presentation.
Thank you so much! I am glad you are giving it a second try! =)
Dictionary and Dice sounds like a fun game. Funny coincidence, this week I had my students use dictionaries and asked them to randomly open to two different pages and pick a word from each page. They then combined the two words together to form a new word. They then created a backstory for the new term and explained how it could be used in popular culture. It was a fun create-a-word challenge. With just one dictionary, they could create an infinite number of new combined words. I agree with the end of your video, "this could go on infinitely..."
That sounds like a really great idea! I now want to do this myself haha. A really great creative exercise, for sure!
I am reminded of how dogs track conversations, barking when they hear their name, and think they can add something to the discussion. It me. *ruff!*
Hahaha I am definitely going to use this analogy, I like it! 😅
So happy to see your video, Pae! Starting my morning with this and I have to admit, I had to replay some parts multiple times to get my head around the concept. 😁 To better understand , I have to read the book. That plugging in of the cosmological element of finite universe and infinite expansion was great. Love the ending, but you know, if this video went on infinitely, I, your loyal fan , would still be watching 😂
Hahaha, thank you so much! Borges is so fun to cover, because there are so many places to go with his work. I look forward to getting myself back into the swing of things here! 😊😊
Amazing depth and mathematics.
Hey James!! Great to hear from you! Hope all is well! 😊😎
@@attention5638 all the better with your videos making a welcome return to us all. Seriously mate nobody does videos like you. Totally unique and always amazing.
Very nice 👍👍
Thank you! 😊😊
Yes!! so happy everytime I see a video of yours pop up, realized how much I missed your stuff during your gap. I finished filming my Short Stay In Hell review between your two videos and the changes they made to the idea of the finiteness was interesting and actually listed a true number and distance/scale/scope of the library. All invention is just discovery is such a wonderful concept! It then becomes so interesting if we would still appreciate mastery once coming across it as a means of happenstance vs the importance we apply to it because of its "creation" Man i love this so much, it really gets the thoughts going.
Oh good! I am glad you liked this. Borges definitely gets one going. I look forward to the review on Short Stay in Hell--I think I will have to read that one--I think I remember you saying it was pretty short. Which is all I have time for with all the other readings I am doing haha
@@attention5638 My review got pushed to A week from sunday. you'll have the choice of watching my insanel long review or just reading it yourself as its only 104 pages. both should take about the same amount of time lol, but then again what is time!
When I read this, I thought of a sort of unraveling, and as we discover it, more is revealed, the more that is read in the library, the more is discovered, especially when discovered by each person, more books will be produced (or ideas about the books that make the library infinite). “Rearranging what has already been spelt out.” Could this be true if each discovery of the book is subjective? Kind of like how each person sees the same person differently. I’m thinking about the mirror again…just infinite reflecting back of something that we don’t even know is us, but only assume is. Every movement creates a new reflection which makes us reflect and move again, and it reflects back at us, but the moment it is reflected, the movement made is in the past, so is the reflection in the mirror even accurate in making us assume we lifted our left hand or is it impossible to know because that exact moment is gone and it just continues on infinitely! (None of this makes sense. It is late. I’m losing my mind. 😂🤣…but also great video! 😁)
"Could this be true if each discovery of the book is subjective?" I would say yes, because the rearrangements occur to reach a mathematical truth, which is not subjective. We are all losing our minds...I just need coffee haha.
@@attention5638 hahaha oh I know 🤣
This is clever stuff. It is what it is.
Thank you so much! It is a very clever story!😊
love this. rad = you
Thank you so much for checking this out! I look forward to getting back to this channel!😎
I'm going to have to try that dictionary and dice thing. Index. You need an index. I'm glad I stuck to Borges' poetry while in Argentina... Seriously though, this is an interesting rabbit hole. I find myself similarly intrigued as when I learned that thing about multiples of nine always adding up to nine. Math, whether we're talking numbers or letters or whatever else, is an interesting thing with some creepy universal concepts. I wish I had more talent for it in school.
I actually didn't know Borges wrote poetry until recently. I have wondered what that is like. Just a bunch of numbers in poetry format, rhyming 3 with 33 😂
@@attention5638 more or less... It probably helped my enjoyment of it that I didn't understand much :)
Hah, a great articulation of the thought experiment.
This could go on…. Infinitely… 😂 I liked the the comparison to the alphabet. This is a very interesting discussion!
I realized while saying that part, that it worked the same as the alphabet, and it was actually quite simple to understand. haha I don't know why I found it so difficult to explain haha
Whenever I play one of your videos... I literally end up stopping whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing and just get sucked into the video!😅
Hey! Sorry for the late reply! Have been out a computer recently, and finally able to get to these!😊 I am happy to hear these videos can do that! I am never sure it I am too boring to listen to or not haha😅
@@attention5638 too boring??? Are you crazy??? 🤪 I always enjoy your videos 🤗
So if they're an infinite number of books, and those books have a mass we're really in a black hole situation, and then does it matter what knowledge is in the library, as we can't bring it out and use it.
I would have not expected you to be such a nihilist! hahaha But yeah, you are right, if that is the case, at the end of the day, there would be no reason to pursue knowledge anyway haha. 😅
Are any of your cool tattoos any verses from one of your favorite authors?
Clearly not possible to write a better book than Bros K in 410 pages! I need those extra 300 pages that Dostoevsky wrote. I guess it’s stuffed inside another book. Like in the middle of a Dan Brown novel or something. Wait, then there’s no authors if we are just discovering prewritten books! Crap, how did we end up in Tlön… pinches arm… 😂 Great video. I give it a rating of [[see room 872, floor 16, case 3, shelf 82]]
Yeah, the line between discovery and creating gets a bit blurred-- an author , or any artist, as even a painting would be described in every detail in a book, would be considered an author, or artist, if the thought came before discovery. Then the recognition as an author comes from making what is undiscovered irrelevant, since we would already have it derived from individual thought. That is how I see it, anyway haha.
Borges is a writer I should check out. Sounds like some paradoxes at work in the Library of Babel. Would the monkeys typing out Shakespeare be in the library?
Yes! Actually, while reading about this story, the monkeys at a typewriter came up quite frequently!
Why 410 pages???
I have 2 read this.
Interesting Video.
Take Care My Friend 👍😁👍
Yes! You should! It is only four or so pages, but I think you would get a trip out of it!
@@attention5638 I will then.👍😁👍
I once heard a 14-year old quipster ask, "Would God laugh at my jokes?"
'cause successful jokes rely on surprise, and nothing would be a surprise to God.
Similarly, the joke books in the library would be especially disheartening for entertainers. If there are no surprises for the library that, well, "knows" everything, the unfortunate comic would find this, as they say, a tough room.
Hahaha, this is true--I can't imagine there being too many comics in this library universe. Which is even more tragic, as it would be the best coping mechanism for living in such a place. haha😅
I wish I could reply to this with a photo because I would make a meme out of my confused face with mathematical symbols around my head
Hahaha, I think I could have gone on with this one, but it would have been such a mess at the end, I would have given up haha😅
I'm pretty sure you bust out that denim vest just to show off the guns.
😂 Though that was not the primary reason I brought on that character--it is part of the reason I keep him haha 😅 Hope you are doing well!
...yes. haha borges is too much sometimes
He seems to be too much most of the time haha
Okay...but I bet the overdue fee is a b%$=h and where's the check out desk? What does a library card look like? Is it true that Very Literary Kari turned down the job as librarian saying there wasn't enough money in the whole wide world?😀
HAHAHA These are actually really great questions. Maybe a library card works just as a birth certificate does for us hahah😅