*Massive thanks to everyone for watching the video!* Big thanks as well to FeReism, Panzerman, Halftrack, TheLoreOverseer and Munancho Inc for helping verify some of the inaccuracies listed in this video. If you have any corrections or inaccuracies to add then please comment them away!
The thing is frosty one both of the German, werchmat , and German empire, never use shotguns in war, because it was a direct violation of the war rules, and even protest against shotguns
The biggest inaccuracy is censoring the swastika. Like come on dude it's apart of history, and don't give me the "youtube will take it down crap" it's in a historical context so it's allowed. Even if it does get demonetized i'm sure you'll be fine money wise. I love your videos but you need to stand up for yourself/the historical community. Like you said, if you're going to censor it at least be consistent
**6 years later** *This game (Vanguard) might not be very historically accurate but it does WAAAAY better job at portraying World War 2 than (insert new CoD WW2 game) did*
At least it’s better than Vanguard that’s for sure. One cool detail I like in the multiplayer mode is the fact that the kill streaks have different models depending on what team you are currently on in a match. For example: for the glide bomb kill streak, the model for the Axis team is the Fritz X while the model for the Allies team is the Azon radio controlled bomb. The recon plane is the L-4 Grasshopper for the Allies and the Fieseler Fi 156 Stroch for the Axis. The bombing run is the B-26 Marauder for the Allies and the Heinkel 111 for the Axis.
17:51 A more hilarious inaccuracy is that in the cutscene where we switch to Perez it shows that the tank is using the 76mm gun. However once we take control of the tank the barrel length and width magically became shorter and wider make it looks more like the 105mm gun
I mean if you watch his WAW video, this game and it are around as historically accurate as the other. WAW had some huge flaws that no one ever talked about while the COD of late is lambasted over things WAW got wrong too.
@@ramblingsofadash5159 the difference is we have a bit higher standards now, along with newer games trying so hard to market based on historical accuracy. Kinda leaves a bad taste
@@Tman2bard If you have higher standards for a series which is now a mostly multiplayer that now uses the singleplayer as a place to copy over multiplayer assets for quicker dev time I don't know what to tell you. My standards for call of duty have dropped to understanding that it isn't a Historically accurate gaming series but a power fantasy FPS. If you believe the marketing, you are being swindled. Stop believing marketing. Never believe marketing. Call of duty is what it is now because they found out like EA that brand equals money. That people will pre order and buy their games day 1. Why fix bugs when you can fix it after release. People will complain but they still bought the game and most likely will keep the game and buy the next game. I personally don't understand how you would have higher standards when call of duty is a cash grab because people who yell, scream, and bitch the most are the ones who spend the most on their games. TLDR: if you go to little caesars, don't expect to get real italian sauce.
@@ramblingsofadash5159 I can agree to that. Truly. WaW doesn't feel off with it's inaccuracies as WW2 and the others does. Idk if we just have a stick up our asses or there is something more egregious with the recent releases.
@@Tman2bard To me WW2 doesn't feel off. Everything in it is in the realm of possibility tho at times very exagerated. The PPSH caused so much bitching and moaning when WW2 came out to then find out that it was in fact historically accurate. Exagerated but accurate. The concentration camp was bitched about because it didn't go far enough. Which to me shows that Mainstream AAA Gamers just want to complain. Their standards are too high and to me should just be ignored for what they are asking of TODAY's AAA industry. An industry they create by not speaking with their wallets but with their keyboard. Vanguard on the other hand is a perfect game to look towards as a standard for bad historical accuracy. It is not of this reality or the reality of world war 2. A 4th reigh is possible. There are Stgs in japan years before they even existed. Fake characters to be awarded the achievements of real people. (Don't get me started on the disrespectful quotes when you die). It is a game that without knowledge of WW2 looks fine but with just a bit of knowledge the whole thing falls apart. It is so far out below my standard which is low for COD. YET its fun. When you turn your brain off and just focus on the gunplay and gameplay its fun. It shows how much they focus on the gameplay because they sell the game by its multiplayer.
2:39 The M1928A1 Thompson, used early in the war, had a drum magazine and did in fact see combat with it. For certain I know it was used during Operation Torch and in the Pacific; there's a photo of a Thompson with a drum at Guadalcanal online, with the gunner standing in front of a Stuart, and another photo at Bougainville likewise in front of a Stuart.
Yeah. Homie has a real "sticking to the TO&E" problem and making absolute statements based on that. Were they common? No. But not improbable. You'd be amazed how many service members uhhh.. "tactically acquire" equipment that isn't issued or issued in small numbers.
@@heroinboblivesagain5478yeah, I like these videos but this guy doesn’t give the context of “suspending your belief to have a fun time” I liked WW2, it had a good campaign and a decent multiplayer. Vanguard is ass so that doesn’t count, but for others who cares if there’s a few inaccuracies that doesn’t take away from the war itself?
Volkssturngewehrs and Revolver shotguns in Japan? Absolutely whack. Seeing weapons like the T-34/85, Tiger II, Owen SMG and other small arms early in the war while predating their existence? Also whack. People using equipment from other countries they should not have, like the M2 flamethrower in German hands in Stalingrad? Whack af. The existence of the AS-44 (which iteration I can't recall, most of the early models for the prototype only weapon had a bipod so guessing later version) is already whack but seeing it at Stalingrad 2-3 years before it's development, much less the development of the 7.62x39mm round used for the SKS and eventually 1945 RPD is cool for multiplayer but I excusable in campaign. Stuff like that, I agree with frosty 100%. But the "there was just 100 Falschirmjaeger at Stalingrad, why are there FG-42s?" Can kind of be explained and if you see COD as a movie you experience, the idea of "oh we've got T-34s out here" but they're using the 85 variants is silly, but kind of understandable in some of the games as the 85 was iconic, sexier, and is more easily identifiable. So it makes sense why the game devs would choose it and save time on getting the right versions out, they're trying to communicate "they had T-34s attacking." The TIGER-II in Stalingrad was dumb for WaW since the Panzer IV would have been more iconic and actually used, but a lot of the decisions can be explained by the prioritization of cinematic value over historical precision. I disagree with that philosophy, especially since they grab more interesting and compelling FACTUAL stories and replace it with Hollywood garbage is dumb. Like I know the ideas are "go with what's cool" and "are we really going to delay game launch to make certain that we're using the correct variant of this vehicle? Will anyone notice?" has likely been said a good amount by the devs, especially considering the fan base for a long time were casual players who cared more about "which gun is best/looks coolest/fits the national load out I'm going for?" In multiplayer. But I feel like we could have very EASILY wrote better stories while being total plebs or, in my and many others cases, went to Uni and took classes covering the war and even have discussions about how their equipment changed overtime as armies modernized. Soviets using more semi-auto rifles as they were trying to do since the mid-1930s with a lull between July 1941 early in Barbarossa where Mosins and PPSh-41s were cheaper and the AVS-36 was entirely phased out after the winter war. There are ways to introduce weapons into the game, like if we had been the first Australian units being given the Owen SMG in a warzone at the start of a mission and everyone is like "the fuck is this?" or playing Soviet units retreating into the Soviet Union, grabbing weapons from caches and finding the phased out AVS-36 in a stockpile. There are ways we could see weapons introduced to our units, having some missions being purely defensive like Kursk where we have enemy tanks firing at us with MGs without being able to hit back and forced to pull back. We're always advancing in COD when defensive missions with scripted moments to pull back would be accurate and make sense. Having weapons introduced to units and even having NPCs commenting on them like "oh, you got an M1?" "I think that's the M2." "What's the difference?" "That one can fire full auto and semi-auto, it's supposed to be for paratroopers. Must have been mixed in by mistake? We've got .30 carbine ammo so it should work fine." Or if they explained "this is an alt-history version of the war, that's why we're seeing these unique weapons. Lore-wise the AVS-36 did well but the recoil made it less effective so the Stavka commissioned for a similar type of weapon using an intermediary round." Something g like that would be interesting and justify the existence of these proto-type weapons, it wouldn't be what we wanted but it COULD work if there were historic campaigns with alt-history ones akin to Red Alert where COD is like "so this is what it was like for real, kind of. But right next to it is the story we WANT to tell with the cool stuff we never saw in the war." There would be room for creative freedom and the ability to showcase stuff for multiplayer. But as COD is, they either make generic garbage for a campaign while white washing history, or they feel like it's a waste of time and resources to give us an authentic experience. And while it's entertaining to watch Frosty dissecting everything wrong, mostly being right a out their choices are either silly to bother over or know they have a deadline from Activision. We shouldn't worry about drum mags when we should be saying "he Enfield had 10 rounds, it would be neat to press reload to get that full 10 while keeping the 5 optional" or "be accurate about the stories you tell while stepping away from the Western front for once. Maybe have Chinese campaigns for Chinese and Czech weapons for multiplayer, having an alt history campaign that unlocks prototype weapons like the AS-44 or even the modified aircraft browning HMG by marines in the Pacific to offset the disadvantages of. The standard issue hardware with very slow firerstes. Have flamethrowers in multiplayer that clear places out while risking instadeath from an enemy hitting your flamethrower
There’s a photo of the First Ranger Battalion soldier with an M1928 Thompson with a drum mag and I’m pretty sure the photo is dated to either 1943 or 1944 in Italy.
@@ThisIsBoogieJar “suspending your belief to have a fun time” Yeah sure that's great. But did you read the title of this video? I think you're missing the point here. No one ever said you're not allowed to have fun
Regarding the Stuka bit, An interesting fact also is that if this takes place on D-DAY, it's unrealistic in that there were only THREE Luftwaffle aircraft in Northern France at the time. THREE.
Hey, M1 owner here (I own 4) and it is actually really rare for an M1 to chamber a round automatically like it's supposed to. The overwhelming majority of the time, I have to smack the oprod handle forward to chamber a round. I have replaced every spring outside the trigger group in two of my M1s and even the bullet guide on one rifle and it still doesn't work "right". But it looks cooler that way, in my opinion. Also, in the Battle of the Bulge, there WERE a number of black troops mixed in with white troops near the end of the battle due to a shortage of manpower. Although, again that was near the end of the battle and to my knowledge, no black troops led white troops into battle. But they did impress the people in charge all the way up to Truman as it proved that not only could black troops fight, they could work well in integrated units.
I don’t own a Garand so maybe you can confirm but I have heard that soldiers would hold the bolt back with the edge of their palm while inserting a fresh clip specifically to prevent it from slamming forward and giving them “Garand thumb” which would then require them to manually drive the bolt forward
@@mrjosh92100 In actual period training materials it instructs you to just push down on the clip with your thumb, no bracing the bolt handle. And tbh the whole M1 thumb is really really overblown and is more likely to happen when you're just messing around with an empty gun. When you load a full clip, if you're doing it fairly properly your thumb will be towards the back of the rounds. And as stated, more than likely the spring won't be strong enough to push the first round out on its own so you will have to slap or push the bolt to help it. If it does manage to chamber a round on its own it will generally just push your thumb out of the way.
Eh not really. He criticizes a lot of things that were done for gameplay. Like the fire rate of the MG. If it actually had a realistic fire rate then it wouldn't be balanced.
It has been a common thing in a lot of shooter games to nerf the fire rate of certain guns, probably for balancing but idk. Two guns that get this treatment a lot are the AKs and the KRISS VECTOR. Also the Vector in many games has near unforgiving recoil while the real counterpart has a mechanism put in place to eliminate recoil nearly completely.
I miss when CoD games shifted between a few different perspectives throughout the game. My favorite one that did this was CoD 3 where you shifted between American, Canadian, British, and Polish soldiers all in one game. Not to even mention that campaign all was depicting only the Battle of the Falaise Gap. There really should be more media like that depicting the roles all the Allied nations had even in small parts of the war like that.
1:19 This is of course done for gameplay reasons but the reason why the sight aperture is so small is because it limits the amount of light going through the sigh, which allows the user to see it's target better in bright, high contrast environments, and many iron sights even today also do this
For the iron sights I pretty sure manly for the rear sights enlarged to make it easer for the player to use. I know there usually the biggest things devs get wrong with the guns, but i would rather have iron sights in games i can damn see through then more realistic.
Things like this that are obviously decided for gameplay reasons make sense, from a developer's point of view. But when lumped into the steaming pile of crap they tried to pass off as "historically accurate", you've got to wonder if things like this were decided for gameplay reasons, or because they didn't know better.
Fun fact, the reason the rear sight is small, as well as on many other guns even today, is to limit the amount of light getting through the sight, allowing for the user to see it's target better in bright, high contrast environments
Fr. One time I shot a 9mm carbine and the irons were borderline unusable because where you lined it up your target was BARELY visible. If it was on screen it would be about 3 visible pixels💀
Despite this game’s many inaccuracies, I love the campaign! Compared to Vanguard it looks like Saving Private Ryan. It’s not perfect and gets absolutely ridiculous many times. But I love the characters and gameplay. It was super fun on Veteran
I have a love hate relationship with this campaign. On one hand, it’s pretty inaccurate and has a lot of weird quirks - Red being fixated on the Rhine River from June 6th 1944 to the point of obsession, Red’s unit getting permission to comb POW camp after POW camp for one random private (even going as far as to frame the objective of capturing the Bridge at Remagen as getting across the Rhine for access to more POW camps to find Zussman), or the fact they were too scared to show a concentration camp and ended up trying to equate western front POW camps to the death camps. All that said - it is the last best mainstream WW2 campaign we ever got. BFV and Vanguard were garbage. I also do like a lot of the missions and characters, and the overall story does work for me. I have good memories of this game overall, and I especially view it far less harshly in more recent years, looking at what followed it. We didn’t know how good we had it in 2017 I guess…
2:43 Something else I noticed about the Thompson there is that it appears to have the 16.5 inch barrel of a modern civilian semi-auto Thompson instead of the shorter historical length
2:30, while removal of the tri-color decal was mandated of the OKH, it was reportedly still common to see older NCOs and officers continuing to wear them in defiance of regulations as a mark of seniority.
Very good quality video, you covered so much that never even occurred to me. I absolutely love COD WW2, so seeing someone go into detail what they got wrong with it's presentation is very interesting to me. Thank you for this video
Also something to note here is that weapon sounds can differ vastly from video to video based on audio equipment used. Weaponry in a lot of gun channel content is not recorded with specialist microphones with covers… Just the built in audio devices of the Camera. What you hear in the video may not be how it was heard in person. A gun can sound differently based on environmental factors like wind, ambient noise, proximity to you or a recording device or even the direction it is heard from, varying indoors vs outdoors etc. That is why every single game has identical weapons that sound very different side by side and the older the game was the cruder the audio becomes due to advances in recording, or it simply relied on a stock library of sounds. They went out and recorded many of these weapons with professional audio equipment in a variety of settings and then had to balance them in the game for compliance with commercial audio standards/regulations and for the purposes of an effective sound mix.
Great work with the historical analysis. Learning a lot of WWII history by you tearing apart these games. Wonder which Call of Duty campaign you will cover next.
Finally we get to see Frosty made a video about historical innacuracy in COD WW2, i have been waiting for this since 1 year ago. Now i can't wait to see him making a video about Historical Innacuracy of older COD games like COD 1-3. Appreaciated it man
@@declangaming24 Same could be thought with World At War, but even It has inaccuracies. Didn't stop it from being a success and creating both the Black Ops timeline and original Zombies timeline, though. CoD 1, 2, 2: Big Red One, and 3 do deserve the equally strict assessment that 5: WaW, WWII, and Vanguard got.
@@martinmethod427 the old ones had unique battles the one where your in French africa fighting Vichy France troops I think you fight Italians as you invade Italy in lots of missions you also fight Germans call of duty 3 had the polish exiled tank squad, playing as a Canadian soldier, a British SAS soldier call of duty 1 had a mission where you and one of captain prices grandads Are on the German ship but he dies at the end in call of duty 2 it's his dad that's my theory. Basically his grandad is in the 1st game his father /dad fights in north africa and in Europe in call of duty 2 the captain price we don't know when was born I would say around 1950 making him about 61 years old by the time of call of duty 4 modern warfare og 2009 MW2 he's 66 years old and MW3 he's 67 but the game goes up to 2027 he's 77 at the end of the game.
This was really fun to watch, and I’m willing to forgive a few of the details they missed purely because it’s a video game. Like iron sight sizes or fire rates. I don’t think players wanna look through pinholes and get killed by “broken smgs”
One thing that kind of pissed me off is the sin where he says “it took minutes in game to take Omaha beach instead of the hours it took in reality” like so? You really want the first part of the game to be 12 hours long?
@@ThisIsBoogieJar I still appreciate the history lesson. I wouldn't want a 12 hour D-Day mission but it's interesting knowing the fact that an operation such as that one can take a long time. I personally thought it had lasted longer.
@@ThisIsBoogieJarPerhaps one could make effective use of time skips here, cutting to key moments in the event and thus showing the player a more condensed form of the landings. Show the first minutes of the first landing wave, show another wave moving up to clear the wire, then skip ahead to breaching the bunkers. Shows all the interesting parts of the battle, but spaced out and giving the player some breathing room.
@@ThisIsBoogieJaryk I had an idea for a video game that would be like that (and just super ambitious with how narrative is presented in WW2 games) but I just couldn’t think of how it would actually work. Like I’d want the game to take forever to complete to elicit that same feeling that soldiers probably had all the time. I just feel like something that really captures the intensity and depth of a war like that would be fun. I think it would also be interesting that if your player character died then you’d get moved to a different character and that other one would be dead for good.
Love these videos! A sin I think might be also there is when Davis said (around the 87th mistake), "In World War I" that term did come into use in 1939, but I doubt an old-fashioned fella like Davis would use that term.
8:21 Your assessment of the Flammenwerfer 35 is wrong, the flammable liquid is expelled from the nozzle and ignited at a distance from the barrel. Therefore, the barrel itself should not become hot as a result of the flame. There's even pictures of it being used as the German soldiers hold it by the barrel.
Small correction at around 3:36 , if you just spam the gun, you will actually see a reload animation once all 7 rounds are used, i would assume that once we start moving our character reloads off camera. Just a little thing I wanted to add ^_^
18:42 Fun fact: the Gewehr is in the game, it was part of the first batch of lootbox weapons along with a full auto volksturmgewehr if i remember right
It was first dlc rifle added in the winter siege update, it’s super op and arguably the best rifle in game if you can consistently hit the 550 rpm cap (obviously exaggerated from the real G43)
17:00 there is also something wierd about the model of the '97 It seems to be a mix of the civillian (longer barrel), and trench (heat jacket) models, whereas the trench would be a more appropiate choice, considering a smaller barrel, having a heat jacket, and a bayonet lug
Been watching your other COD historical reviews the last few days and this is perfect timing! This one seems a bit more accurate than Vanguard at least. I'd be very interested to see one of these on Battlefield 1, as I remember that at least appearing quite accurate (except for no gun jams). Keep up the great work!
@@bingolos9063 there's a difference between BF1 having few experimental guns that never saw combat and COD going complete batshit crazy with impossible modifcations and bullshit events
@aveteranplayer6403 it was like 4 am when i made that reply and i remember reading a comment about how battlefield respects and has their games always "100% historically correct". And he said "Cod ww2 didn't even try" so i tried mocking him by saying the same thing. I have no idea how this reply got here all i could say is that i replied too the wrong comment. Also yeah no Triple A game actually trys to be 100% historically correct. Its impossible if your trying to appeal to the masses. Also i like bf1.
i could bet that there was this one house in normandy full of houseplants and they saw this as a trivia and decided to outfit entire unit with woodland camo
about the PPS-41: the ROA/RLA (aka Vlasov's army/Russian Liberation Army) had a ton of soviet weaponry with the correct ammo for them, and they were stationed at Normandy during the landings, they didn't see much fight before Normandy, therefore they could have a lot of PPS-41, but they also surrendered at the first sight of the americans (mainly because the lack of motivation and in some cases the lack of equipment) The M1911 "Only officer part": many soldier used guns bought by themselves, mainly pistols, and the M1911 was avalaible back then for civilian parchuse (i think Daniel could afford a colt after he managed to get not one but two M1 Garands back home) The "eagle on the hat's side": The game somewhy doesn't contain SS insignias (i suppose because of they had a controversy about the signs before releasing the game and i think this was a compromise), that's why the soldiers run around in M44 uniforms with wehrmacht collars on it
While many soldiers did buy personal weapons or have friends or relatives send them through the mail, the number of guys who actually did that was probably in the low single digits. And while maybe some commercial 1911s were available, most of the supply and production was likely shifted to military production. For personal pistols it'd be better to see revolvers or captured weapons.
The part you said about the vast majority of landing craft operators being British is semi true, my grandpa was a American landing craft operator and went back and forth from Omaha throughout d-day and got quite a few medals for it
Agreed, I will also point out that he said “vast majority of landing craft drivers were British” that implies there are some that are controlled by Americans (which is the one daniels is on)
@@assassinproject5586yeah this person did a major problem that a lot of people have, where they assume a general principle is wrong based on their own personal experience.
5:30 The wheels are also sideways on the Stuka, or Ju 87 G/R/D (in-game cause of the 37mm gun pods on the G 1 & 2 variant, and the R cause of the sirens, D cause the G was modified from the D, but should just be a D variant, but from the model in-game would be more likely the D-3 as it lacks the long 20mm gun barrels the D-5 has, so this D-3 is equipped with 2 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns with 1000 rounds each) The Stukas are also flying really fast, especially for that payload, and are not that maneuverable, though I'd wager a Stuka could outturn a fighter plane due to it's slow speed and if it had a good pilot too
They switched a lot of fire rates for the sake of "Balance". A worse example is the fire rate of the Breda mod 30 or the GPMG in the game, it literally have the fire rate of a MG42 when it shouldn't
The MP28’s are actually more likely than you may think, on the western front towards the end of the war the German army would often give our response forces outdated or captured weapons in order to save the more modern equipment for the far more desperate eastern front, this mainly happened due to (unsurprisingly) the Atlantic wall being believed to be unbreakable, and in terms of the trench mag K98 well it should be a G98 but those would have the same story as the MP28. (Edit: the fire rate is way off though so you can keep it as an inaccuracy)
4:55 also the fact that about a minute before this scene plays, the player saw literally dozens and dozens of P47 Thunderbolts flying ahead of them, yet somehow all these Stukas still manage to get through?
"inaccurate sights on the garand and m1 carbine" well the accurate ones would be hard to use ingame, even in real life i struggle with small peephole sights
That sounds like a personal problem. If you have a proper sight picture, due to some technical stuff with how our eyes work then it should appear to have opened up like in game when you ADS.
If you had a problem with goddamn aperture sight, then, don't ever use it, go use notch sight or open sight who give you a great field of view, I just have no problem with anything else, even goddamn aperture sight.
Just 2 small things about the M1 Garand: the sights on the M1 generally have a bit larger aperture than the photo you posted (that is a Post-WWII sight, and might be a national match sight, which had a smaller aperture), and when looking down the sight, as in aiming to shoot, the aperture on a standard sight looks pretty accurate to how the game portrays, just alot closer to your face. As for the "Sledgehammer" engraved in the receiver, that was likely done for both copyright and serial number reasons. Not all of the companies that made M1s are still in business, but companies like Winchester and International Harvester still are (or at least the rights are owned by someone else), and Sledgehammer likely didn't want to pay the royalties to use them.
The sight aperture size difference between USGI and NM sights is measured in the hundredths and thousandths of an inch, which would make it almost imperceptible to tell the difference even in real life without measuring devices.
@@imperialmodelworks8473 I have actually, my M1 came with the hooded .0595 which I recently swapped for a USGI sight and I stand by what I said. A hundredth of an inch is almost imperceptible, and a USGI sight is definitely not even close to as wide open as they are in game. What is noticeable is the difference between a USGI front sight and an NM type.
3:40 i'd nix that as an inaccuracy, it was relatively common for troops in combat areas to "tactically acquite" whatever weapons they felt necessary, swapping out a garand for a carbine, or a carbine for a thompson, or grabbing a pistol off of a body, someone's rack, or bribing a quartermaster. Ive even heard of troops winning pistols while gambling. And of course, family back homs could send a pistol in a care package (though this was more common for the pacific theater and would likely be a revolver). 4:20 it was more common for soldiers to remove rank insignia in a combat zone, to better prevent enemy snipers or machine gunners from targeting squad or platoon leaders. In a platoon-sized unit, you knew most men by sight or sound anyway. Edit: both of these inaccuracies would happen quite literally any time after the battles at Normandy, at the time of Normandy, everyone was wearing insignia and it is highly unlikely that anyone could have tactically acquired a pistol.
honestly when first call of duty has you switch mosin nagant for scoped version and not only they do not share ammo but entire clip goes in the gun at once i can accept it ONYL THERE but when a AAA multi billion dollar franchise does that shit it's unacceptable
10:03: The train consists mainly of engine-powered railcars, specifically the Panzertriebwagen 50-55 (number 51), which never entered into service, and the Panzertriebwagen 16, a diesel locomotive converted into an armored vehicle. The latter is accompanied by two armored cars equipped with Czech guns (10cm). Consequently, there is no need for a locomotive at the front of the train. Additionally, the Panzertriebwagen 16 is equipped with a MAN engine, limiting its speed to 60-65 km/h (excluding the fact that the armor would make the locomotive slower).
One thing I noticed was that Oberst Fischer in the mission Liberation has the rank insignia of a Major despite Oberst being equal to a Colonel. In fact even Heinrich also wears the same rank insignia despite his position being achievable by [typically] those who held the rank of SS-Oberführer or SS-Brigadeführer [or maybe higher].
Another inaccuracy is the ammo supply tossed to you. They picture a standard p37 british ammo pouch with brass stud closures, Instead of the GP bag used to carry ammo
historical inaccuracies were expected in older CoD games due to budget limitations, lack of technology, and limited access to information. But the fact that a game made in 2017 not only repeats the same historical inaccuracies, but also adds newer stupid ones is just astonishing
At 4:24, OBVIOUSLY it took hours to capture the beach in real life but you also need to understand that this is a GAME, the missions just can’t take hours to complete!
19:27 a small detail: In this part of the mission, we are introduced to a couple of german sisters. The point is, when we arrive to the truck evac scene, a german soldier comes out of nowhere, shoots his MP40, misses and kills one of the sisters by mistake. This is a, no so subtle, way to tell us: "The americans were so good they cared for enemy civilians. It was the germans killing their own"
6:34 This is actually the case of weapons in this game being totally separate only because of an attachment change, even by ammo, despite it being the same gun I've noticed that an M1 Garand and another M1 Garand with a bayonet weren't ammo linked when walking over either and picking up both of them The case still remains in the Multiplayer, which is kind of a pain in the ass since all guns are gonna be customized anyways
In reality the m43 cap was relatively common to be seen in combat. Stahlhelms were much more common in active combat but many soldiers wore their caps in combat, similar to feldmütze usage in ww1
Shit on the east front they were using bare hands. And slingshots at some points lmao. Wish they taught more about the Eastern front. Really would put war into perspective a bit more than the romanticized western front.
As far as I'm aware, the 1928A1 was only used by Marines in the Pacific. They would be extremely unlikely to turn up in Europe in 44 in the hands of U.S. Army personnel.
U heard what the guy said though at 11:50. He said they TRIED to get historically close. It’s just a game and idc how in detail you have to go to see the inaccuracy it’s the best cod game out there
It’s funny when you mention the gray uniform, looking heavy and not looking like the original uniforms they would wear their during the spring or summer time. I actually thought of the uniforms the Germans were wearing in the beginning of the game as similar to the finnish uniform. When I first played the game on Omaha beach seeing the Germans for the first time. I was like am I fighting the Finn’s? Historically, they never fought in Normandy or on the western front. The only place they ever fight was on the Eastern front and around this time I believe they signed a treaty with Russia and stayed out of the war that year. I don’t know who decided to go ahead and make the Germans uniforms looking more and more similar to what the Finnish we’re wearing? But it was completely wrong.
For an update, I was not disappointed, well made video. Also for the American uniform I am not sure if there was a elastic band for the m1 helmet net which I am pretty sure was not widely used during WWII at all, but I am not sure. Also I subscribed because your channel is awesome.
Hello there CrossOfBayonne, thanks for noticing my profile picture. I had family that worked on the New York Central and I loved that railroad since I was a little kid. And is your profile picture the Blue Comet if I am not mistaken?
20:00 That's a little unfair; Davis was pretty clearly talking about the biggest Allied operation... which was Overlord, not the drive across the Rhine, unless I am about twice as stupid as I think I am.
I think it's passable that the Garand's iron sights are that large just for gameplay purposes, though yeah this can be debatable since games like Hell Let Loose portray Garand sights correctly yet doesn't hamper gameplay
24:25 just a quick fun fact, in ww2 actually ( except for hitler who was the first leader to advocated no smoking ) people thought smoking was healthy )
21:20 Also the ingame name of the guns is translated from Polish to just "rifle". It should've been called Karabin wz. 38M (Translated to Rifle model 38M) or kbsp wz. 38M (Self-loading Rifle Model 38M)
02:10 I'm a bit of a guns guy, and I used to play this game a long time ago, the PPSH originally fired 7.62x25 Tokarev, I'm lucky I have them because they are extremely difficult to get, but following this frame when reloading and pulling the mag out, there is still a thing left in the space of where the mag should be, those are Wehrmacht 9mm magazine converters to the PPSH, basically when they were done rechambering the gun to 9X19 parabellum they would need to change the magazine because the feeding system wouldn't accept it, and because of that they added a converter that stays to the gun when removing the magazine which we clearly see in the footage, again, I used to play this game allot but I don't remember much but judging by that scene, it is accurate, well, I don't know if there is a possibility knowing if it's rechambered or not but the magazine adaptor is accurate.
You know what would be cool. If you did a mini-episode on the historical accuracy of the 1980s mission of bo2. I know theirs only 4 of them but I would like to see what inaccuracies you can find in those 4 mission.
I really like this video and appreciate the time it took for this, but some stuff was done differently to make the game more dramatic and enjoyable. I also agree tho that this Call of Duty could have been more realistic or atleast accurate.
@@taistelusammakko5088 it's still a shit way to call something inaccurate, and 99% of his gameplay shitting on was from weapons outside of where they belong when they didn't need to, and dumbass attachments on everything
*Massive thanks to everyone for watching the video!*
Big thanks as well to FeReism, Panzerman, Halftrack, TheLoreOverseer and Munancho Inc for helping verify some of the inaccuracies listed in this video.
If you have any corrections or inaccuracies to add then please comment them away!
I like your history content it cool
The thing is frosty one both of the German, werchmat , and German empire, never use shotguns in war, because it was a direct violation of the war rules, and even protest against shotguns
Please continue this series, it's not only funny but also very informative
The biggest inaccuracy is censoring the swastika. Like come on dude it's apart of history, and don't give me the "youtube will take it down crap" it's in a historical context so it's allowed. Even if it does get demonetized i'm sure you'll be fine money wise. I love your videos but you need to stand up for yourself/the historical community. Like you said, if you're going to censor it at least be consistent
AND THE PSSH IN D DAY DUDE
*This game might not be very historicaly accurate but it does a WAAAAY better job at portraying World War 2 than Vanguard did.*
And before that cod WaW did miles better than both games but ig we are talking about golden era treyarch
vanguard was very Woke so it was bad anyway
**6 years later**
*This game (Vanguard) might not be very historically accurate but it does WAAAAY better job at portraying World War 2 than (insert new CoD WW2 game) did*
@@sooryan_1018 I stopped playing further modern CoD because of WWII and Vanguard.
Fuck any Game set in WW2 depicts the war better than vanguard.
I love the part in the campaign where the sargeant yells, "All you had to do was follow the damn train!", whenever you fail that one mission
Love the part when the Wehrmacht stopped for cluckin bell on the way to poland
US Sargeant Massive S. Moke
One of the best soldiers in the war
A true hero
And a homie
"Don,t be a busta, private!"
Its called "historical accuracy" not "ehh...close enough"
Train go Boom!
HE GOT ME AT "what are they trying to blend in with, the God damn house plants?!' LMFAO
I mean don't blame the Germans blame the creators for being absolutely stupid while making them
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
At least it’s better than Vanguard that’s for sure.
One cool detail I like in the multiplayer mode is the fact that the kill streaks have different models depending on what team you are currently on in a match. For example: for the glide bomb kill streak, the model for the Axis team is the Fritz X while the model for the Allies team is the Azon radio controlled bomb. The recon plane is the L-4 Grasshopper for the Allies and the Fieseler Fi 156 Stroch for the Axis. The bombing run is the B-26 Marauder for the Allies and the Heinkel 111 for the Axis.
Ball Turret gunner is a B-17 no matter what tho
@@alixon5009Luftwaffe did capture a few B-17s during the war.
@@josephhelgersonjoseph6115 yeah the Germans pretty much captured anything they could. Still worth pointing it out though.
@@josephhelgersonjoseph6115they were ballin, but at what cost?
Oh cool, they did the bare minimum of what I'd expect them to do.
17:51
A more hilarious inaccuracy is that in the cutscene where we switch to Perez it shows that the tank is using the 76mm gun. However once we take control of the tank the barrel length and width magically became shorter and wider make it looks more like the 105mm gun
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Oh wait, reddits dead, oh well.
*YOU HAD A MASSIVE FRICKING STROKE*
GUN IS GUN
7:38 fun fact: in old CODs, the MG42 has that sound but harder, because you're supose to hear that directly with your ears
Hearing how the guns sounded in game versus real life when it comes to the delay between shots sent chills down my spine
Just emagine what it sounded like on d-day
@@animegeek-qz1rmnow I feel EVEN worse for the soldiers
It is funny because generally video game are buffing guns stats not smurfing them😂
U ruined it for me
Yeah, it’s crazy how different the guns sound, and I’m a WWII Reenactor
Honestly I played this alot when it came out an looking back it was entertaining, but it's sad how little this actually gets right compared to waw
I mean if you watch his WAW video, this game and it are around as historically accurate as the other. WAW had some huge flaws that no one ever talked about while the COD of late is lambasted over things WAW got wrong too.
@@ramblingsofadash5159 the difference is we have a bit higher standards now, along with newer games trying so hard to market based on historical accuracy. Kinda leaves a bad taste
@@Tman2bard If you have higher standards for a series which is now a mostly multiplayer that now uses the singleplayer as a place to copy over multiplayer assets for quicker dev time I don't know what to tell you. My standards for call of duty have dropped to understanding that it isn't a Historically accurate gaming series but a power fantasy FPS. If you believe the marketing, you are being swindled. Stop believing marketing. Never believe marketing. Call of duty is what it is now because they found out like EA that brand equals money. That people will pre order and buy their games day 1. Why fix bugs when you can fix it after release. People will complain but they still bought the game and most likely will keep the game and buy the next game. I personally don't understand how you would have higher standards when call of duty is a cash grab because people who yell, scream, and bitch the most are the ones who spend the most on their games.
TLDR: if you go to little caesars, don't expect to get real italian sauce.
@@ramblingsofadash5159 I can agree to that. Truly. WaW doesn't feel off with it's inaccuracies as WW2 and the others does. Idk if we just have a stick up our asses or there is something more egregious with the recent releases.
@@Tman2bard To me WW2 doesn't feel off. Everything in it is in the realm of possibility tho at times very exagerated. The PPSH caused so much bitching and moaning when WW2 came out to then find out that it was in fact historically accurate. Exagerated but accurate. The concentration camp was bitched about because it didn't go far enough. Which to me shows that Mainstream AAA Gamers just want to complain. Their standards are too high and to me should just be ignored for what they are asking of TODAY's AAA industry. An industry they create by not speaking with their wallets but with their keyboard. Vanguard on the other hand is a perfect game to look towards as a standard for bad historical accuracy. It is not of this reality or the reality of world war 2. A 4th reigh is possible. There are Stgs in japan years before they even existed. Fake characters to be awarded the achievements of real people. (Don't get me started on the disrespectful quotes when you die). It is a game that without knowledge of WW2 looks fine but with just a bit of knowledge the whole thing falls apart. It is so far out below my standard which is low for COD. YET its fun. When you turn your brain off and just focus on the gunplay and gameplay its fun. It shows how much they focus on the gameplay because they sell the game by its multiplayer.
2:39
The M1928A1 Thompson, used early in the war, had a drum magazine and did in fact see combat with it. For certain I know it was used during Operation Torch and in the Pacific; there's a photo of a Thompson with a drum at Guadalcanal online, with the gunner standing in front of a Stuart, and another photo at Bougainville likewise in front of a Stuart.
Yeah. Homie has a real "sticking to the TO&E" problem and making absolute statements based on that. Were they common? No. But not improbable. You'd be amazed how many service members uhhh.. "tactically acquire" equipment that isn't issued or issued in small numbers.
@@heroinboblivesagain5478yeah, I like these videos but this guy doesn’t give the context of “suspending your belief to have a fun time” I liked WW2, it had a good campaign and a decent multiplayer. Vanguard is ass so that doesn’t count, but for others who cares if there’s a few inaccuracies that doesn’t take away from the war itself?
Volkssturngewehrs and Revolver shotguns in Japan? Absolutely whack. Seeing weapons like the T-34/85, Tiger II, Owen SMG and other small arms early in the war while predating their existence? Also whack. People using equipment from other countries they should not have, like the M2 flamethrower in German hands in Stalingrad? Whack af. The existence of the AS-44 (which iteration I can't recall, most of the early models for the prototype only weapon had a bipod so guessing later version) is already whack but seeing it at Stalingrad 2-3 years before it's development, much less the development of the 7.62x39mm round used for the SKS and eventually 1945 RPD is cool for multiplayer but I excusable in campaign. Stuff like that, I agree with frosty 100%. But the "there was just 100 Falschirmjaeger at Stalingrad, why are there FG-42s?" Can kind of be explained and if you see COD as a movie you experience, the idea of "oh we've got T-34s out here" but they're using the 85 variants is silly, but kind of understandable in some of the games as the 85 was iconic, sexier, and is more easily identifiable. So it makes sense why the game devs would choose it and save time on getting the right versions out, they're trying to communicate "they had T-34s attacking." The TIGER-II in Stalingrad was dumb for WaW since the Panzer IV would have been more iconic and actually used, but a lot of the decisions can be explained by the prioritization of cinematic value over historical precision. I disagree with that philosophy, especially since they grab more interesting and compelling FACTUAL stories and replace it with Hollywood garbage is dumb. Like I know the ideas are "go with what's cool" and "are we really going to delay game launch to make certain that we're using the correct variant of this vehicle? Will anyone notice?" has likely been said a good amount by the devs, especially considering the fan base for a long time were casual players who cared more about "which gun is best/looks coolest/fits the national load out I'm going for?" In multiplayer.
But I feel like we could have very EASILY wrote better stories while being total plebs or, in my and many others cases, went to Uni and took classes covering the war and even have discussions about how their equipment changed overtime as armies modernized. Soviets using more semi-auto rifles as they were trying to do since the mid-1930s with a lull between July 1941 early in Barbarossa where Mosins and PPSh-41s were cheaper and the AVS-36 was entirely phased out after the winter war. There are ways to introduce weapons into the game, like if we had been the first Australian units being given the Owen SMG in a warzone at the start of a mission and everyone is like "the fuck is this?" or playing Soviet units retreating into the Soviet Union, grabbing weapons from caches and finding the phased out AVS-36 in a stockpile. There are ways we could see weapons introduced to our units, having some missions being purely defensive like Kursk where we have enemy tanks firing at us with MGs without being able to hit back and forced to pull back. We're always advancing in COD when defensive missions with scripted moments to pull back would be accurate and make sense. Having weapons introduced to units and even having NPCs commenting on them like "oh, you got an M1?" "I think that's the M2." "What's the difference?" "That one can fire full auto and semi-auto, it's supposed to be for paratroopers. Must have been mixed in by mistake? We've got .30 carbine ammo so it should work fine." Or if they explained "this is an alt-history version of the war, that's why we're seeing these unique weapons. Lore-wise the AVS-36 did well but the recoil made it less effective so the Stavka commissioned for a similar type of weapon using an intermediary round." Something g like that would be interesting and justify the existence of these proto-type weapons, it wouldn't be what we wanted but it COULD work if there were historic campaigns with alt-history ones akin to Red Alert where COD is like "so this is what it was like for real, kind of. But right next to it is the story we WANT to tell with the cool stuff we never saw in the war." There would be room for creative freedom and the ability to showcase stuff for multiplayer.
But as COD is, they either make generic garbage for a campaign while white washing history, or they feel like it's a waste of time and resources to give us an authentic experience. And while it's entertaining to watch Frosty dissecting everything wrong, mostly being right a out their choices are either silly to bother over or know they have a deadline from Activision. We shouldn't worry about drum mags when we should be saying "he Enfield had 10 rounds, it would be neat to press reload to get that full 10 while keeping the 5 optional" or "be accurate about the stories you tell while stepping away from the Western front for once. Maybe have Chinese campaigns for Chinese and Czech weapons for multiplayer, having an alt history campaign that unlocks prototype weapons like the AS-44 or even the modified aircraft browning HMG by marines in the Pacific to offset the disadvantages of. The standard issue hardware with very slow firerstes. Have flamethrowers in multiplayer that clear places out while risking instadeath from an enemy hitting your flamethrower
There’s a photo of the First Ranger Battalion soldier with an M1928 Thompson with a drum mag and I’m pretty sure the photo is dated to either 1943 or 1944 in Italy.
@@ThisIsBoogieJar “suspending your belief to have a fun time” Yeah sure that's great. But did you read the title of this video? I think you're missing the point here. No one ever said you're not allowed to have fun
What hurts the most is that most of there inaccuracies could’ve been avoided with a quick google search 💀
Their you mean🤓
They could've hired a history consultant for these with the money they got from the loot boxes.
They were using Microsoft edge
@@_MaZTeR_ I dont think CoD are supposed to be historically accurate in the first place.
They are@@Garother
Regarding the Stuka bit,
An interesting fact also is that if this takes place on D-DAY, it's unrealistic in that there were only THREE Luftwaffle aircraft in Northern France at the time. THREE.
The mission took place a couple weeks after D-Day.
@@alixon5009I think you've missed the point dude...
@@CrispyPratt What exactly? He's saying on D-Day, not after.
There were aircraft in Normandy (or nearby), but the only ones to fly over the beaches on D-Day were FW-190s
I believe this mission takes place during Operation Cobra but idk if more aircraft were moved to Normandy during this time
Hey, M1 owner here (I own 4) and it is actually really rare for an M1 to chamber a round automatically like it's supposed to. The overwhelming majority of the time, I have to smack the oprod handle forward to chamber a round. I have replaced every spring outside the trigger group in two of my M1s and even the bullet guide on one rifle and it still doesn't work "right". But it looks cooler that way, in my opinion.
Also, in the Battle of the Bulge, there WERE a number of black troops mixed in with white troops near the end of the battle due to a shortage of manpower. Although, again that was near the end of the battle and to my knowledge, no black troops led white troops into battle. But they did impress the people in charge all the way up to Truman as it proved that not only could black troops fight, they could work well in integrated units.
I don’t own a Garand so maybe you can confirm but I have heard that soldiers would hold the bolt back with the edge of their palm while inserting a fresh clip specifically to prevent it from slamming forward and giving them “Garand thumb” which would then require them to manually drive the bolt forward
@@mrjosh92100 In actual period training materials it instructs you to just push down on the clip with your thumb, no bracing the bolt handle. And tbh the whole M1 thumb is really really overblown and is more likely to happen when you're just messing around with an empty gun. When you load a full clip, if you're doing it fairly properly your thumb will be towards the back of the rounds. And as stated, more than likely the spring won't be strong enough to push the first round out on its own so you will have to slap or push the bolt to help it. If it does manage to chamber a round on its own it will generally just push your thumb out of the way.
As someone who had a friend who studied history, this video is truly incredible.
@AustrianPainter420_waste of oxygen
@AustrianPainter420_ yeah we know you finished yourself, no need to tell
@@pizzaeater56 💀
Is this comment a joke? I don’t get it.
Eh not really. He criticizes a lot of things that were done for gameplay. Like the fire rate of the MG. If it actually had a realistic fire rate then it wouldn't be balanced.
It has been a common thing in a lot of shooter games to nerf the fire rate of certain guns, probably for balancing but idk. Two guns that get this treatment a lot are the AKs and the KRISS VECTOR. Also the Vector in many games has near unforgiving recoil while the real counterpart has a mechanism put in place to eliminate recoil nearly completely.
Shout out the pph in world at war, that was a monster
@@ThisShitIsDumbAndYouKnow my favorite gun in that game.
@@thedarkspawnshooter3717 i know lol. Basically guns too op in real life that they nerf them hard. Shotguns say hello.
In far cry it's always actually op
The only game I can think of that got the Kriss Vector right is Insurgency Sandstorm.
I miss when CoD games shifted between a few different perspectives throughout the game. My favorite one that did this was CoD 3 where you shifted between American, Canadian, British, and Polish soldiers all in one game. Not to even mention that campaign all was depicting only the Battle of the Falaise Gap. There really should be more media like that depicting the roles all the Allied nations had even in small parts of the war like that.
1:19
This is of course done for gameplay reasons but the reason why the sight aperture is so small is because it limits the amount of light going through the sigh, which allows the user to see it's target better in bright, high contrast environments, and many iron sights even today also do this
and to be fair, waw does the same thing as well
@@gabeanddave7904yeah but WaW’s M1 had reasonably smaller iron sights.
One way to resolve this is to make the sight look realistic when the gun is at the hip, and then expand when ADS'd, perhaps with some visual effect.
For the iron sights I pretty sure manly for the rear sights enlarged to make it easer for the player to use. I know there usually the biggest things devs get wrong with the guns, but i would rather have iron sights in games i can damn see through then more realistic.
Things like this that are obviously decided for gameplay reasons make sense, from a developer's point of view. But when lumped into the steaming pile of crap they tried to pass off as "historically accurate", you've got to wonder if things like this were decided for gameplay reasons, or because they didn't know better.
Fun fact, the reason the rear sight is small, as well as on many other guns even today, is to limit the amount of light getting through the sight, allowing for the user to see it's target better in bright, high contrast environments
@@Maria_Erias There is no wondering. For years, CoD and other FPS games alter sights to make then actually usable for gameplay reasons.
Fr. One time I shot a 9mm carbine and the irons were borderline unusable because where you lined it up your target was BARELY visible. If it was on screen it would be about 3 visible pixels💀
@@jthablaiddgit gud
Love your enthusiasm and annoyance at pointing out the inaccuracies. I feel that. I would love to see you cover the Sniper Elite series as well.
It's funny how a game that claims to base itself so much on ww2 gets everything wrong about ww2
At least its not vanguard💀
I mean, its cod. They care more about the gameplay and realistic details then the accuracy most of the time
@@anomalousmemer5524 no its just sledge hammer xD
Cause Sledgehammer is devoid of historical integrity and attention to detail. I’ve been saying they should be demoted strictly to a support studio.
@@anomalousmemer5524Dude World at War which was made in like 2007. had less inaccuracies then WWll
Despite this game’s many inaccuracies, I love the campaign! Compared to Vanguard it looks like Saving Private Ryan. It’s not perfect and gets absolutely ridiculous many times. But I love the characters and gameplay. It was super fun on Veteran
I'm to much of a wuss to play it on veteran
I played Veteran and it was hard… I went through a lot of rage episodes.
I have a love hate relationship with this campaign. On one hand, it’s pretty inaccurate and has a lot of weird quirks - Red being fixated on the Rhine River from June 6th 1944 to the point of obsession, Red’s unit getting permission to comb POW camp after POW camp for one random private (even going as far as to frame the objective of capturing the Bridge at Remagen as getting across the Rhine for access to more POW camps to find Zussman), or the fact they were too scared to show a concentration camp and ended up trying to equate western front POW camps to the death camps. All that said - it is the last best mainstream WW2 campaign we ever got. BFV and Vanguard were garbage. I also do like a lot of the missions and characters, and the overall story does work for me. I have good memories of this game overall, and I especially view it far less harshly in more recent years, looking at what followed it. We didn’t know how good we had it in 2017 I guess…
I love it too
But Pierson should've FUCKING DIED-
@@zainhussain1420I bet liberation was the easiest
2:43 Something else I noticed about the Thompson there is that it appears to have the 16.5 inch barrel of a modern civilian semi-auto Thompson instead of the shorter historical length
I love how the more inaccuracies he encounters the more angrier he gets
This comment made me laugh 🤣
+ everything is accurate😂
"more angrier"
2:30, while removal of the tri-color decal was mandated of the OKH, it was reportedly still common to see older NCOs and officers continuing to wear them in defiance of regulations as a mark of seniority.
That is true, but I doubt there would be *that many* veteran soldiers still using those helmets by that point.
Very good quality video, you covered so much that never even occurred to me. I absolutely love COD WW2, so seeing someone go into detail what they got wrong with it's presentation is very interesting to me. Thank you for this video
At 6:30, the Springfield being used was only used by the marines in the pacific. The way you can tell is the scope length
It's a unertl scope and it was also used in Korea
It was also used on m2 machine guns post war 👌🏼
I just love your “Listing Every Historical Inaccuracy in Call of Duty” videos!! Keep them coming!!
Thanks! Will do!
@@TheFrosty_1do rdr 2 next 😊
@@TheFrosty_1 Are you going to make one on call of duty 2. It's my favourite and I think it has the best campaign after mw 1 and mw 2.
Also something to note here is that weapon sounds can differ vastly from video to video based on audio equipment used. Weaponry in a lot of gun channel content is not recorded with specialist microphones with covers… Just the built in audio devices of the Camera. What you hear in the video may not be how it was heard in person.
A gun can sound differently based on environmental factors like wind, ambient noise, proximity to you or a recording device or even the direction it is heard from, varying indoors vs outdoors etc. That is why every single game has identical weapons that sound very different side by side and the older the game was the cruder the audio becomes due to advances in recording, or it simply relied on a stock library of sounds.
They went out and recorded many of these weapons with professional audio equipment in a variety of settings and then had to balance them in the game for compliance with commercial audio standards/regulations and for the purposes of an effective sound mix.
Great work with the historical analysis. Learning a lot of WWII history by you tearing apart these games. Wonder which Call of Duty campaign you will cover next.
Modern Warfare
I've learnt a lot thanks to the COD games, just not from the games themselves unfortunately😅
Yeah Frosty is a legend!
Also recommend History Legends, he debunked some of Battlefield, and some political agendas...
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Finally we get to see Frosty made a video about historical innacuracy in COD WW2, i have been waiting for this since 1 year ago. Now i can't wait to see him making a video about Historical Innacuracy of older COD games like COD 1-3. Appreaciated it man
There's hardly any on the older games
@@declangaming24 Same could be thought with World At War, but even It has inaccuracies. Didn't stop it from being a success and creating both the Black Ops timeline and original Zombies timeline, though. CoD 1, 2, 2: Big Red One, and 3 do deserve the equally strict assessment that 5: WaW, WWII, and Vanguard got.
@@martinmethod427 the old ones had unique battles the one where your in French africa fighting Vichy France troops I think you fight Italians as you invade Italy in lots of missions you also fight Germans call of duty 3 had the polish exiled tank squad, playing as a Canadian soldier, a British SAS soldier call of duty 1 had a mission where you and one of captain prices grandads Are on the German ship but he dies at the end in call of duty 2 it's his dad that's my theory. Basically his grandad is in the 1st game his father /dad fights in north africa and in Europe in call of duty 2 the captain price we don't know when was born I would say around 1950 making him about 61 years old by the time of call of duty 4 modern warfare og 2009 MW2 he's 66 years old and MW3 he's 67 but the game goes up to 2027 he's 77 at the end of the game.
19:06. Daniels is also wearing the insignia of the 3rd Infantry division despite serving the whole war in the 1st.
This was really fun to watch, and I’m willing to forgive a few of the details they missed purely because it’s a video game. Like iron sight sizes or fire rates. I don’t think players wanna look through pinholes and get killed by “broken smgs”
One thing that kind of pissed me off is the sin where he says “it took minutes in game to take Omaha beach instead of the hours it took in reality” like so? You really want the first part of the game to be 12 hours long?
@@ThisIsBoogieJar I still appreciate the history lesson. I wouldn't want a 12 hour D-Day mission but it's interesting knowing the fact that an operation such as that one can take a long time. I personally thought it had lasted longer.
I think WaW had small sights for some weapons like the Garand, though, and that was fine.
@@ThisIsBoogieJarPerhaps one could make effective use of time skips here, cutting to key moments in the event and thus showing the player a more condensed form of the landings. Show the first minutes of the first landing wave, show another wave moving up to clear the wire, then skip ahead to breaching the bunkers. Shows all the interesting parts of the battle, but spaced out and giving the player some breathing room.
@@ThisIsBoogieJaryk I had an idea for a video game that would be like that (and just super ambitious with how narrative is presented in WW2 games) but I just couldn’t think of how it would actually work. Like I’d want the game to take forever to complete to elicit that same feeling that soldiers probably had all the time. I just feel like something that really captures the intensity and depth of a war like that would be fun. I think it would also be interesting that if your player character died then you’d get moved to a different character and that other one would be dead for good.
Love these videos! A sin I think might be also there is when Davis said (around the 87th mistake), "In World War I" that term did come into use in 1939, but I doubt an old-fashioned fella like Davis would use that term.
At that time it would've been referred to as The World War or Great War. Although the term WW1 was actually in use and then WW2
8:21 Your assessment of the Flammenwerfer 35 is wrong, the flammable liquid is expelled from the nozzle and ignited at a distance from the barrel. Therefore, the barrel itself should not become hot as a result of the flame. There's even pictures of it being used as the German soldiers hold it by the barrel.
Small correction at around 3:36 , if you just spam the gun, you will actually see a reload animation once all 7 rounds are used, i would assume that once we start moving our character reloads off camera.
Just a little thing I wanted to add ^_^
Yeah he only shot 6 bullets, not 7, you can even reload without shooting 7 bullets by pressing the reload button.
9:33 Only british shermans were equipped with skirts for desert combat, not in france and not for the americans
This is the kind of content I've been waiting for!
18:42 Fun fact: the Gewehr is in the game, it was part of the first batch of lootbox weapons along with a full auto volksturmgewehr if i remember right
It was first dlc rifle added in the winter siege update, it’s super op and arguably the best rifle in game if you can consistently hit the 550 rpm cap (obviously exaggerated from the real G43)
Full auto volksturmgewehr... WHAT THE FUC..
Love the videos and the ideas! Keep up the good work man!
Thanks! Will do!
17:00 there is also something wierd about the model of the '97
It seems to be a mix of the civillian (longer barrel), and trench (heat jacket) models, whereas the trench would be a more appropiate choice, considering a smaller barrel, having a heat jacket, and a bayonet lug
Been watching your other COD historical reviews the last few days and this is perfect timing! This one seems a bit more accurate than Vanguard at least. I'd be very interested to see one of these on Battlefield 1, as I remember that at least appearing quite accurate (except for no gun jams). Keep up the great work!
Having automatic and experimental weapons for both side sure is historical don't you think. but when cod does it everyone loses their minds over it
Battlefield 1 didn't even try
@@bingolos9063 there's a difference between BF1 having few experimental guns that never saw combat
and COD going complete batshit crazy with impossible modifcations and bullshit events
@aveteranplayer6403 it was like 4 am when i made that reply and i remember reading a comment about how battlefield respects and has their games always "100% historically correct". And he said "Cod ww2 didn't even try" so i tried mocking him by saying the same thing. I have no idea how this reply got here all i could say is that i replied too the wrong comment.
Also yeah no Triple A game actually trys to be 100% historically correct. Its impossible if your trying to appeal to the masses.
Also i like bf1.
8:15 "What are they trying to blend in with, the god damn house plants?!?" Best line in the video lol
i could bet that there was this one house in normandy full of houseplants and they saw this as a trivia and decided to outfit entire unit with woodland camo
@@ryszakowyWoodland camo?I highly doubt
"If I don't move, ze American von't see me"
about the PPS-41: the ROA/RLA (aka Vlasov's army/Russian Liberation Army) had a ton of soviet weaponry with the correct ammo for them, and they were stationed at Normandy during the landings, they didn't see much fight before Normandy, therefore they could have a lot of PPS-41, but they also surrendered at the first sight of the americans (mainly because the lack of motivation and in some cases the lack of equipment)
The M1911 "Only officer part": many soldier used guns bought by themselves, mainly pistols, and the M1911 was avalaible back then for civilian parchuse (i think Daniel could afford a colt after he managed to get not one but two M1 Garands back home)
The "eagle on the hat's side": The game somewhy doesn't contain SS insignias (i suppose because of they had a controversy about the signs before releasing the game and i think this was a compromise), that's why the soldiers run around in M44 uniforms with wehrmacht collars on it
While many soldiers did buy personal weapons or have friends or relatives send them through the mail, the number of guys who actually did that was probably in the low single digits. And while maybe some commercial 1911s were available, most of the supply and production was likely shifted to military production. For personal pistols it'd be better to see revolvers or captured weapons.
The part you said about the vast majority of landing craft operators being British is semi true, my grandpa was a American landing craft operator and went back and forth from Omaha throughout d-day and got quite a few medals for it
Agreed, I will also point out that he said “vast majority of landing craft drivers were British” that implies there are some that are controlled by Americans (which is the one daniels is on)
@@assassinproject5586yeah this person did a major problem that a lot of people have, where they assume a general principle is wrong based on their own personal experience.
Does kids these days not understand what “vast majority” implies? That it isn’t the same as “all”?
I mean, it’s not ‘semi true’ it’s just true, your grandad was just not part of the ‘vast majority’
Ok? The point is still true, the vast majority were british
The Thompson used by Pearson could’ve been a gun sent to the front lines from his family since that was what most families did during World War II
Unlikely though, The Army still had the M1928 alongside the M1A1 in Europe and in the Pacific
@@Voucher765if something is entirely possible then it's not an inaccuracy
@@calebbarnhouse496
The nazis could have liked anime
@@calebbarnhouse496
Just bc I could have happened doesn’t mean it is accurate
JFK COULD have been a nazi
@@WhatsUp-fe8jc the nazis as a group couldn't have liked anime as K-on wasn't released yet.
5:30 The wheels are also sideways on the Stuka, or Ju 87 G/R/D (in-game cause of the 37mm gun pods on the G 1 & 2 variant, and the R cause of the sirens, D cause the G was modified from the D, but should just be a D variant, but from the model in-game would be more likely the D-3 as it lacks the long 20mm gun barrels the D-5 has, so this D-3 is equipped with 2 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns with 1000 rounds each)
The Stukas are also flying really fast, especially for that payload, and are not that maneuverable, though I'd wager a Stuka could outturn a fighter plane due to it's slow speed and if it had a good pilot too
It seems like for some reason the game devs might have switched the MP28 and PPSH-41's fire rates
They switched a lot of fire rates for the sake of "Balance". A worse example is the fire rate of the Breda mod 30 or the GPMG in the game, it literally have the fire rate of a MG42 when it shouldn't
And the mg 34 and 42
The MP28’s are actually more likely than you may think, on the western front towards the end of the war the German army would often give our response forces outdated or captured weapons in order to save the more modern equipment for the far more desperate eastern front, this mainly happened due to (unsurprisingly) the Atlantic wall being believed to be unbreakable, and in terms of the trench mag K98 well it should be a G98 but those would have the same story as the MP28. (Edit: the fire rate is way off though so you can keep it as an inaccuracy)
The British RM were landing craft drivers for the Rangers. Most landing craft drivers for US troops were US Coast Guard personal.
4:55 also the fact that about a minute before this scene plays, the player saw literally dozens and dozens of P47 Thunderbolts flying ahead of them, yet somehow all these Stukas still manage to get through?
"inaccurate sights on the garand and m1 carbine" well the accurate ones would be hard to use ingame, even in real life i struggle with small peephole sights
That sounds like a personal problem. If you have a proper sight picture, due to some technical stuff with how our eyes work then it should appear to have opened up like in game when you ADS.
If you had a problem with goddamn aperture sight, then, don't ever use it, go use notch sight or open sight who give you a great field of view, I just have no problem with anything else, even goddamn aperture sight.
@@Mechanized85 why saying goddamn
Just 2 small things about the M1 Garand: the sights on the M1 generally have a bit larger aperture than the photo you posted (that is a Post-WWII sight, and might be a national match sight, which had a smaller aperture), and when looking down the sight, as in aiming to shoot, the aperture on a standard sight looks pretty accurate to how the game portrays, just alot closer to your face.
As for the "Sledgehammer" engraved in the receiver, that was likely done for both copyright and serial number reasons. Not all of the companies that made M1s are still in business, but companies like Winchester and International Harvester still are (or at least the rights are owned by someone else), and Sledgehammer likely didn't want to pay the royalties to use them.
The sight aperture size difference between USGI and NM sights is measured in the hundredths and thousandths of an inch, which would make it almost imperceptible to tell the difference even in real life without measuring devices.
@@prinzalbatross9526 try shooting both sometime, then edit your answer to reflect reality.
@@imperialmodelworks8473 I have actually, my M1 came with the hooded .0595 which I recently swapped for a USGI sight and I stand by what I said. A hundredth of an inch is almost imperceptible, and a USGI sight is definitely not even close to as wide open as they are in game. What is noticeable is the difference between a USGI front sight and an NM type.
11:21 legendary moment: train go boom
I still love the train crash scene
🚂 💥
rather done by some air tactical group to strafing and attacking, more than worth these squid to do it.
I think Daniels is not Human, that's why he's doing what happened in 8:32
25:35
I recalled there was a German jet bomber the AR 234B that was involved in the bombing of the bridge of Remagen. Even Mark Felton addressed this.
Yeah, only one bomber and a jet one at that
@@fajagaming5969 could have been a good boss battle. 😂
even success as the bomb landed perfectly and wiped out many of the combat engineers.
3:40 i'd nix that as an inaccuracy, it was relatively common for troops in combat areas to "tactically acquite" whatever weapons they felt necessary, swapping out a garand for a carbine, or a carbine for a thompson, or grabbing a pistol off of a body, someone's rack, or bribing a quartermaster. Ive even heard of troops winning pistols while gambling. And of course, family back homs could send a pistol in a care package (though this was more common for the pacific theater and would likely be a revolver). 4:20 it was more common for soldiers to remove rank insignia in a combat zone, to better prevent enemy snipers or machine gunners from targeting squad or platoon leaders. In a platoon-sized unit, you knew most men by sight or sound anyway.
Edit: both of these inaccuracies would happen quite literally any time after the battles at Normandy, at the time of Normandy, everyone was wearing insignia and it is highly unlikely that anyone could have tactically acquired a pistol.
"What are they trying to blend in with, THE GOD-DAMN HOUSE PLANTS?!" got me dead Fr. 💀
my favorite part of this game is how it seemed to follow the plot of Saving Private Ryan
Not really, like at all lmao
Like evety other ww2 game from the early 2000s, except those games were actually good.
You mean, it started with D-day.... anything else?
fucking double worse than MOHAA and frontline, in the whole scene.
These videos will always be enjoyable, love seeing your reaction to some of the most absurd historical inaccuracies, keep it up!
Every Historical Inaccuracy In Call of duty WW2: 27 minutes
Every Historical Inaccuracy In Call of duty Vanguard: 27 hours
bruh i was just binge watching your other versions of these!!! holy moly perfect timing
6:22
In COD 5 WaW, bolt action rifles (regular or sniper) can use same ammo. But different reload animation. That's attention to details.
honestly when first call of duty has you switch mosin nagant for scoped version and not only they do not share ammo but entire clip goes in the gun at once i can accept it
ONYL THERE
but when a AAA multi billion dollar franchise does that shit it's unacceptable
@@ryszakowyTbf blame person who didn't know license of gun because similar to MW2 rebooted, Gun wasn't correctly function or even realistic
10:03: The train consists mainly of engine-powered railcars, specifically the Panzertriebwagen 50-55 (number 51), which never entered into service, and the Panzertriebwagen 16, a diesel locomotive converted into an armored vehicle. The latter is accompanied by two armored cars equipped with Czech guns (10cm). Consequently, there is no need for a locomotive at the front of the train. Additionally, the Panzertriebwagen 16 is equipped with a MAN engine, limiting its speed to 60-65 km/h (excluding the fact that the armor would make the locomotive slower).
One thing I noticed was that Oberst Fischer in the mission Liberation has the rank insignia of a Major despite Oberst being equal to a Colonel. In fact even Heinrich also wears the same rank insignia despite his position being achievable by [typically] those who held the rank of SS-Oberführer or SS-Brigadeführer [or maybe higher].
7:40 There's a reason that it was called "Hitler's Buzzsaw"
At 1:42 the pole was packed with expensives but only enough to create a 5 foot gap in the wire so it would not harm the user
Another inaccuracy is the ammo supply tossed to you.
They picture a standard p37 british ammo pouch with brass stud closures,
Instead of the GP bag used to carry ammo
Been waiting for this love these videos. Do battlefield and some others. Very well made vids man
History deserves to be told. Very epic video.
You should do the inaccuracies of the BF 5 war stories, would be interesting to see!
3:47 can we talk about how perfectly timed that ping was?
historical inaccuracies were expected in older CoD games due to budget limitations, lack of technology, and limited access to information. But the fact that a game made in 2017 not only repeats the same historical inaccuracies, but also adds newer stupid ones is just astonishing
Not to mention that in the trailer they literally talked about “making a product that is historically authentic”
At 4:24, OBVIOUSLY it took hours to capture the beach in real life but you also need to understand that this is a GAME, the missions just can’t take hours to complete!
Yeah that's such a bad point. Is the campaign supposed to take months to complete? That would be awesome but it's ridiculously unfeasible.
Play Arma III, you will see how that can be done
@@lollikabosso.w.n7153 Arma 3 is a simulation game.
@@Samm815Just ignore him, people like that will demand realism even in a Mario game
Looks like I found the only enclave of people who did not support one of the inaccuracies.
19:27 a small detail: In this part of the mission, we are introduced to a couple of german sisters. The point is, when we arrive to the truck evac scene, a german soldier comes out of nowhere, shoots his MP40, misses and kills one of the sisters by mistake.
This is a, no so subtle, way to tell us: "The americans were so good they cared for enemy civilians. It was the germans killing their own"
The gun on the Sherman is actually a 75mm, the barrel of the 76 was longer
10:32 a fun fact, polish soldiers are in multiplayer, so it's kinda sad thats that is a inaccurate
6:34
This is actually the case of weapons in this game being totally separate only because of an attachment change, even by ammo, despite it being the same gun
I've noticed that an M1 Garand and another M1 Garand with a bayonet weren't ammo linked when walking over either and picking up both of them
The case still remains in the Multiplayer, which is kind of a pain in the ass since all guns are gonna be customized anyways
In reality the m43 cap was relatively common to be seen in combat. Stahlhelms were much more common in active combat but many soldiers wore their caps in combat, similar to feldmütze usage in ww1
Although the Thompson used here is a M1921A instead of a M1A1, some 1921 or 28 models were still used in the war.
M1928 actually
@@Voucher765 also some 1921 ones also saw action in the war
Shit on the east front they were using bare hands. And slingshots at some points lmao. Wish they taught more about the Eastern front. Really would put war into perspective a bit more than the romanticized western front.
As far as I'm aware, the 1928A1 was only used by Marines in the Pacific. They would be extremely unlikely to turn up in Europe in 44 in the hands of U.S. Army personnel.
11:25 that corpse launch will never not make me laugh.
I never noticed that till now. But that's funny as hell
Flung to the moon 😭
U heard what the guy said though at 11:50. He said they TRIED to get historically close. It’s just a game and idc how in detail you have to go to see the inaccuracy it’s the best cod game out there
It’s the best MODERN cod In my opinion because I think W@W was a better ww2 game
Another thing that I think is weird is that the helmets of your allies are extremely clean.
Except for Zussman. He's a new guy and his uniform already looks worn out even on the dday landing. Everyone else is fresh out of the dryer.
2:40 M1928 Thompsons saw a fair amount of use by the US Army and the USMC in the early war period but mainly in the Pacific.
And also Europe too, There were still large numbers of soldiers who used the original 1928s in 1944 during D Day
Without the drum mags though.
26:14 Pierson gets scared when Daniel shows his nerdy knowledge, tells him to stop and eventually tries to run away LoL
It’s funny when you mention the gray uniform, looking heavy and not looking like the original uniforms they would wear their during the spring or summer time. I actually thought of the uniforms the Germans were wearing in the beginning of the game as similar to the finnish uniform. When I first played the game on Omaha beach seeing the Germans for the first time. I was like am I fighting the Finn’s? Historically, they never fought in Normandy or on the western front. The only place they ever fight was on the Eastern front and around this time I believe they signed a treaty with Russia and stayed out of the war that year. I don’t know who decided to go ahead and make the Germans uniforms looking more and more similar to what the Finnish we’re wearing? But it was completely wrong.
It might not be that far off seeing as how the majority of the static coastal defense units were "ost truppen"
17:04 thats a negligible mistake, because you can always load a round in the chamber after loading a full mag
No, it had only 6 rounds including the chamber, so you're wrong now
That's more with magazines, tubes have a built in shell limit to not destroy the internals
@@cringelord2875 lmao modificators existed at WW2
how much research did u do on this? love the vids btw
I was waiting for this, and I am just about to watch this, I know I will not be disappointed
For an update, I was not disappointed, well made video. Also for the American uniform I am not sure if there was a elastic band for the m1 helmet net which I am pretty sure was not widely used during WWII at all, but I am not sure. Also I subscribed because your channel is awesome.
Another railfan spotted, Welcome aboard
@@loganwhite8094 And nice a NYC Dreyfuss Hudson as PFP
Hello there CrossOfBayonne, thanks for noticing my profile picture. I had family that worked on the New York Central and I loved that railroad since I was a little kid. And is your profile picture the Blue Comet if I am not mistaken?
20:00
That's a little unfair; Davis was pretty clearly talking about the biggest Allied operation... which was Overlord, not the drive across the Rhine, unless I am about twice as stupid as I think I am.
I think it's passable that the Garand's iron sights are that large just for gameplay purposes, though yeah this can be debatable since games like Hell Let Loose portray Garand sights correctly yet doesn't hamper gameplay
Some would call this man a nerd but what he actually is is a genius who has a life and puts hard work and research into his content
Thank you
How ironic it then is, that he goes deeper into research than the developers, who allegedly made research to make the game.
@@TheFrosty_1 I love your videos, because I'm a passionate history fan on top of being a COD fan
I love these videos. very good keep it up, greetings from Spain
Thank you very much!
typical cod „bad guy always bad evil and mysterious good guy always good funny heroic”
24:25 just a quick fun fact, in ww2 actually ( except for hitler who was the first leader to advocated no smoking ) people thought smoking was healthy )
21:20 Also the ingame name of the guns is translated from Polish to just "rifle". It should've been called Karabin wz. 38M (Translated to Rifle model 38M) or kbsp wz. 38M (Self-loading Rifle Model 38M)
02:10 I'm a bit of a guns guy, and I used to play this game a long time ago, the PPSH originally fired 7.62x25 Tokarev, I'm lucky I have them because they are extremely difficult to get, but following this frame when reloading and pulling the mag out, there is still a thing left in the space of where the mag should be, those are Wehrmacht 9mm magazine converters to the PPSH, basically when they were done rechambering the gun to 9X19 parabellum they would need to change the magazine because the feeding system wouldn't accept it, and because of that they added a converter that stays to the gun when removing the magazine which we clearly see in the footage, again, I used to play this game allot but I don't remember much but judging by that scene, it is accurate, well, I don't know if there is a possibility knowing if it's rechambered or not but the magazine adaptor is accurate.
You know what would be cool. If you did a mini-episode on the historical accuracy of the 1980s mission of bo2. I know theirs only 4 of them but I would like to see what inaccuracies you can find in those 4 mission.
I really like this video and appreciate the time it took for this, but some stuff was done differently to make the game more dramatic and enjoyable. I also agree tho that this Call of Duty could have been more realistic or atleast accurate.
No one would care about the inaccuracies if the developers didn't say that everything was researched and the game is very historically accurate
20:57 I felt personally attacked
You forgot to mention that in the M4 Sherman tank mission the MG42s can somehow damage our healthbar
Gameplay itself isn't what you take into account for realism
@@calebbarnhouse496he does in the vanguard
@@taistelusammakko5088 it's still a shit way to call something inaccurate, and 99% of his gameplay shitting on was from weapons outside of where they belong when they didn't need to, and dumbass attachments on everything
@@calebbarnhouse496 Yes you do. If your M1 Garand has 12 rounds instead of 8, that's a historical inaccuracy.
@@andyfriederichsen cool, now apply that logic to damage, is it historically inaccurate when a knife deals more damage then a rocket's splash damage?