💥 playwt.link/thefrosty1 - Download War Thunder for FREE and get your bonuses! *"These are people who are uneducated - they don't understand that this is a plausible scenario."* - A direct quote from EAs Chief Creative Officer, Patrick Soderlund, when pressed on the utterly disrespectful butchering of history in their game, Battlefield 5. I hope this analysis and all the many others go to show just how "uneducated" your games fanbase is, Mr Soderlund. This video was a massive collaborative effort with much of the critical research sourced from our team including Davidson, Karabiny, K-Nyne, FeReinsm, Munancho Inc and ,the supportive community in our discord group, along with several other sources. Massive thanks to everyone involved and to you for watching! If you have any questions, corrections, or extra inaccuracies then please let us know in the comments.
When I first found your channel, specifically, the video centered on the newer version of Cold War. This game came into my mind, and I thought to myself “he’s probably going to have an absolute aneurysm with Battlefield five if he gets to it“ And unfortunately, I wasn’t wrong throughout this video you seem like you are on the absolute verge of just wanting to put yourself into a diabetic coma. It’s interesting though because as you and pretty much everybody else is keenly aware the initial release of this actually did gain a lot of people saying that you know there were so many historical inaccuracies and all that stuff. But as we know the head guy for this particular game told everybody that they could go and suck it and obviously this resulted in battlefield five having some extremely poor sales, and even worse reviews. I definitely commend you for having the courage and the willpower to look over this game. I look forward to anything you might have on mind in the future.
Hey guys just wanted to say something, When I started to watch Frosty1, I was quite surprised and fascinated with the level of inaccuracy produced by COD, a few games tried, and a few didn't, and downright slandered history. But after I watched the BF5 video I was even more shocked and disappointed with it. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the Battlefield series and I believe that Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 were the Golden Age of the Battlefield franchise and were also the pinnacle of what Battlefield should be. But looking at BF5 I was disgusted with the franchise, It made the COD game inaccuracies cute compared to what they decided to put out, EXCEPT FOR VANGUARD AND COLD WAR THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SHIT, But the rest of the COD games tried somewhat. To Frosty1, today's video was an absolute masterpiece and a great historical review/documentary, I learned a lot today thanks to you. Please continue to put these videos in the future and I shall always be your supporter. See you soon with more videos and god bless you brother.
>goes to school for 12 years >goes to college for 4-8 years >finally gets a degree in history >flame BFV online >refuses to elaborate further >leaves. *What a Chad*
Even in my country is not focusing much in ww1 and 2 and yet I knew most of the details of this game is a fraud since our book never tell or tell different stories during ww1 and 2 era
The length of the video says everything about this. How Dice got away with all this surprises me. It's like Activision and Dice were having a contest of who could anger their fans more by creating the worst and most inaccurate WW2 games ever.
There's 3 levels of inaccuracies roughly in games. 1) "minor" details like uniforms & weapons not lining up with dates (which are easily forgivable) 2) "major" details like the entire wrong uniforms or weapons on troops (which are much harder to overlook) 3) "inexcusable" details like different nations participating in events 1's are really nitpicks and while its fine to bring them up we can't really fault them for not investing significant time into catching every possible minor mistake. 2's are really simple mistakes and shouldn't happen more then a few times (if at all), but some forgiveness should always be in the wings because mistakes happen. 3's should never happen. These aren't fine details that are easily missed or require years of research to fully understand and chart out. These are so basic even wikipedia cant mess them up. (and that's quite something) It's really tragic to see how far dice has fallen...
@@TheAlanReviewsfully agreed certain things like the sten or CERTAIN parts of the british uniforms being wrong is okay stuff like them wearing the m1 is not
All these inaccuracies can date back to the Community Manager (correct me if I’m wrong) saying to the fanbase “I’ll find myself on the right side of history, accept it or don’t buy it” This shows Dice and EAs attitude towards this game was never about being historically respectful but by writing their own safe version of WW2 :/
"Find myself on the right side of history" The funny thing is that at this moment, (at least on PC) Battlefield V is currently the MOST played Battlefield game, just above 2042. In a way, he was right
@@CoolAndrew89well yeah duh. It is a fps game not a historical documentary after all. I think more people would be happy to play as themselves in the game, than seeing that it would be an inaccuracy and being mad over it.
For The Last Tiger, part of the reason why so much of the American gear is so inaccurate is because at the time it came out the Americans weren't even added to the game, so they were mashed together with whatever assets they had, and they never bothered to update it after the actually added American stuff
And of course being modern DICE, they decided to go ahead with designing the mission instead of waiting until the Americans were added or instead making the mission take place in the areas that the UK invaded
@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj or you know the fact that they released a WW2 game containing stuff from 3 of the 6 major fighting nations (and france BARELY counts as 1 of those 3)
Here is a fun fact: Panzershreck was developed based on the captured M1 bazookas, apparently a few earlier versions did make it to tunisia before that was wrapped up
@@tablesizeproductions4360 yeah, originally operators had to wear gas masks when firing it, which is why the shield was developed later. That versions specifically was called rpzb 43 i think
The funniest thing is that swastikas are absent from BFV but in the Nordlys mission you can see a text that reads: ''As war rages across the globe, Western Europe falls under the shadow of the Swastika'' 48:18
i mean it's just a text? rather than the symbol itself, "swastika" is literally the name of the symbol in religions in short your argument lacks some sense lmao
One more thing, not sure if someone pointed it out yet, but at the end of the British campaign, we see that the German soldier who was captured by Billy is still banging on the trunk to try to be let out, but the panel that moves is actually the engine bay hatch, which means they crammed that poor man inside the engine
Is he new to the internet? Fans are the scariest, most intelligent bastards imaginable, they can and absolutely will discover _everything_ within hours of getting access.
@ShadowScryerMK2 Most developers are under the impression that children who generally don't care about accuracy are playing these games, and not adults who have done their research either out of curiosity or are history buffs.
"The characters are diverse so it must be right. We should ignore and cover up the real people who participated in a real historical event, just to shove in a mid story that even the target audience wouldn't like if they were playing the game."
Meticulous accuracy above being cheap and popular. I'd rather pay $10, $15 more for a completely accurate game that makes me feel like it's real. I don't want a game that barely feels like it's in the general time period, and doesn't even feel like it's set in the actual year or place it's supposed to be.
It at least makes a little bit of sense, a decent amount of WW1 stuff did end up getting used in WW2 for one reason or another, so it isn't that out of place. Mostly.
Funfact, the german law allows usage of things like the bad-bad cross under the circumstance that it is used in historical, documentarian, artistic and some other ways, as long as there is no glorification of the third reich. In fact it is being shown in tv shows, games and other media quite regularily.
They dropped this law a few years ago before the release of Wolfenstein New Colossus. The third reich is kinda glorified there with all the futurist tech, UFOs and so on.
Many Springfields still saw frontline use, In North Africa Sicily and Italy many soldiers still had them and even as late during Operation Market Garden there are pics of paratroopers using them still
@@Voucher765you forget that they were also heavily used by the U.S Marine Corps as well, since they took longer to adopt the Garand unlike the U.S Army
One would imagine that we would have M1903s considering that they were by far the most common if not the only weapons that the US used as sniper rifles
Agreed but even the Last Tiger mission was... incredibly inaccurate. I loved that I could (fucking) FINALLY play as a German Soldier in a Historical (if you wanna call BFV that) war game but... the amount of inaccuracies hurt my soul as I played through it. Could barely get through it once because of that.
Well if you want more WW2 from german perspective. I highly reccommend Company of Heroes with DLCs. Three of the campaigns (which are in the DLCs) are as germans it is definetely worth checking out. If you like RTS games then you will definetely have fun. 1st campaign is a Market Garden Campaign where you as commander of Kampgruppe Lehr fight of the Allied Paratroopers. 2nd is Tiger Ace campaign where you go on the Rampage in the Villers-Bocage destroying British Armor. 3nd is my absolute favorite. Falaise Pocket from Perspective. You fight the never ending onslaught of Allied troops holding the town of Trun.
32:04 Additional inaccuracy: The reload animation for the STG44 shows the magazine being rocked back into the magazine well, which is often incorrectly depicted because people assume it works the same way as an AK47 due to the visual similarity. In reality, the magazine is inserted straight into the well
0:35 My great uncle was born in 1898 and fought in that unit. Thankfully he survived WW1 and lived to see his 5 sons fight in WW2. They survived the war, but the little brother of the family lost his hearing in combat during the pacific theater. My family knows how to survive wars, ha.
@@sethleoric2598 I know right? Although all the 5 brothers are dead they had 1 sister born in 1930 and she’s currently 93. Me and my grandma went to her house a few months ago and I asked about if she remembered WW2 happening. She only remembered a little, but she remembers getting mail from her brothers during their service. Update: February 25th 12:04PM. I’m gonna go see her today! :D
1:09:02 This "camo" pattern looks it was based on the same pattern used by the Pemuda Pancasila (English: Pancasila Youth) paramilitary organization in Indonesia, that is formed in 1959. I need to know what the hell was DICE smoking when they made this game
@RusticRonnie they weren't. They just didn't care. They weren't passionate. Like most kids nowadays they view jobs as a grind and a means to an end. So many people won't stay in a position more than a year or two so they can move to different companies and make more money....
Except, maddeningly enough, they DIDN'T get everything wrong; There are some aspects they did okay to even great at, which then makes all of the errors even more infuriating.
Y'know, unlike the other games that you've covered in this series, Battlefield 5 just feels straight up disrespectful in almost every regard, with how many real-life veterans it replaces with made up soldiers and the like. Like, World at War, as inaccurate as it may have been, was still respectful in its depiction of WW2 and to those who fought in it. Really glad you decided to make this vid.
@@brady-b7l @@brady-b7l accuracy? Yeah, I agree, but BF1 was certainly more authentic to it's theme, the game was full of 1 of a kind prototypes that have never been fired, tanks that were 10x faster than their real life counterpart and had barely any trench warfare, but at least it didn't have female cyborg nazis wearing the scraps of an amateur soldier cosplay competition Battlefield 1 felt like war Battlefield V felt like satire
1:25:20 actually the German law allows depictions of swastikas in works of art such as movies and books. Video-game were not recognized as works of art for some outdated political reasons. However the since 2018 this law changed to include video games in that clause. Battlefield 5 came out in November 2018 and The last Tiger in December 2018. So they had a lot of time to change to the swastikas. Also as to why they're not included in the American or British version of the game I have no idea. It seems like no one has the balls to show history anymore. Shame...
You are only half correct. Yes, German law now allows swastika for educational, art or satire purposes. For video games and stuff, however, there must be a enmity towards the Third Reich portrayed. The Last Tiger makes you play as Germans, so a swastika would be illegal there, too. The same for games like World of Tanks, War Thunder, Enlisted, Gates of Hell, Company of Heroes, Hell Let Loose, Squad 44 (formerly Post Scriptum) and so on. It's a complete nonsense law.
@@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078 nope swastika is sanskrit word it symbol peace because hindu diaspora in western always trouble with displayed the swastika symbol association with nazi even both differently display
The disrespect of the Norwegian men of Operation Gunnerside pisses me off so much. I read the book “SABOTAGE” about their mission, and the amount of inaccuracies and turning their story into a mother-daughter narrative is awful.
At 1:13:40 the Ross straight pull rifle from the cutscene magically turns into the Turner SMLE. They use it in several cutscenes in this story despite the fact it makes no sense and can’t be used in the level.
My great-grandfather was a British Bren machine gunner at the battle of kasserine pass, he lived to see through the battle, but he was injured by a Stielhandgranate, this is unfairly represented.
8:21 That flag uses the same design from Battlefield 1942. 33:24 Correction: there is a barrel changing animation for the MG34 and MG42 but it’s only in MP for some reason. 38:19 The third barrel is usable as an alternate fire mode. 1:31:05 I wonder if DICE ever considered having this war story be set in Berlin instead of Cologne.
@@bored-z2397 COD WAW has the most gigantic balls of all time when compared to Cod WW2 and shitguard and BFV, though COD WAW has a lot of historical inaccuracies covered by the same guy of this vid, but it's mainly uniforms and kits and the dates and weapons and tanks.
I still remember the backlash this game got and the amount of people defending it was... honestly scary. I still remember someone saying "People don't want authenticity in games, they want convincing power fantasies." like... Did they know what game they're talking about?
Honestly bfv being accurate is like a fish climbing a tree: it's really bad at it, but that's because it was never meant to try in the first place. Bfv is cinematic first and foremost.
@@matthewcharles5867 Um, Enfield rifles have 5 round clips. It's the SMLE (short magazine lee enfield) (enfield with a small magazine) that has a 10 round clip. And the SMLE in bf5 has 10 rounds, so idk what you mean
I have to ask, how on EARTH did the flamethrower troops in NORWAY get Afrikacorps jackets, meanwhile the German soldiers in AFRICA were wearing winter gear? Like you can't make up a mistake like that. It's so over the top I wonder how it even made it out the door.
Howdy, thought I'd dogpile on a couple more observations 0:25 - Both men have German Gewehr 98s with American M1905 bayonets awkwardly grafted onto them. The 369th guy should have a French Berthier, and neither should have that bayonet. 46:40 - The M1A1 Carbine in the game also has the very late war bayonet lug and adjustable rear sight. It's very difficult to find any images of rifles with either of these features being used in Europe. They're most commonly seen on standard M1 Carbines in the Pacific in mid-late 1945.
Thanks for another great video, the Norway mission always bugged me with this game, it was wrong of them not to include a story about the legendary Commandoes.
One more inaccuracy in the prologue. You can see lit streetlights in the background briefly. To my knowledge this wouldn’t be the case during the blitz as a blackout was enforced.
small detail with the WW1 section both the German and American soldiers facing each other off are holding Gewehr 98 rifles with the bayonets somehow fixed to the stock instead of to the bayonet lug just under the barrel
no, the US soldier has a Springfiled M1903, I remember using it in the opening BF1 mission. The Springfield company was sued by Mauser, however, because the Springfield used almost the exact same action, but the lawsuit never went anywhere because Germany lost the war.
I don't think U know what that phrase means ngl. They were talking about the inclusion of female characters in the game, and how it is better to be inclusive than exclusive, and how they think that the world is trending towards inclusivity.
Some other inaccuracies I noticed in ''The Last Tiger'' are: - None of the crew have any visible insignia on their uniforms: i.e breast eagles, cuff titles, collar patches, etc. - Tiger tanks were not filled up with a bunch of kids. The tiger was seen as an incredibly valuable piece of weaponry and it's crews were handpicked across all fronts and units. Tigers were thus reserved for the best tank crewmen Germany had to offer. - The German officer's caps have no Wehrmacht eagle on them and instead only have the oakleafs on the space that should be occupied by the eagle. - At 1:29:04 we see the German officer. His rank however is *impossible* to tell. He's seen having the oakleafs on his cap placed on the right space, but still no eagle. He's also noticeably missing his officer's shoulder boards *AND* breast eagle. Additionally, he has 1 single medal: The knight's cross. This is not possible as it the knight's cross equates to 3 iron crosses earned. Eventhough He's not wearing the ribbon for the 2nd class or even the 1st class on his left breast pocket.
@@darius_alex2043 I wasn’t saying they had underage Tiger drivers but rather there was a precedent the developers probably drew from. I think what you said is right.
Those stupid rating systems and censorship laws; Same reason why it's fine murdering dozens of people in a game with Mature17+ rating but if it (for example) has usage of drugs or some nudity it might have problem
At least those would be cut down by half easily, and most of the inaccuracies were literally just sacrifices for gameplay/more weaponry etc, really the only thing you can bust BF1's balls over are the uniforms/player models but at least they still had-mostly legitimate-reasons for them.
@@CommanderLongJohnBF1 seemed to have so much care put into respecting the setting’s historical accuracy. I like how they just completely gave that up in a day and night difference when it came to bf5
An Enlisted sponsorship on the previous vid, and now a War Thunder sponsorship. Props to you for mentioning the classified document leaks on the ad itself xD
You missed one at 38:00 The sight on the FlAK 38 doubled as an artificial horizon indicator and should swing freely rather than being an unmoving ring. This pivoting action allowed the gunner to begin firing at the correct time to ensure that the rounds would impact on an aircraft as it flew.
It’s very nice to see someone who actually cares about the historical inaccuracies besides “women didn’t fight in ww2 and didn’t have hook hands”. It’s genuinely all people ever talk about
Good Lord. I saw only 2 chapters, and there are already 193 inaccuracies. Ok, I don't count operating AA by just one person as a major error because of gameplay, but in order to achieve so many "oversights" Dice must've hired only blind people.
@@TheGrandeCapo Yep, perfectly said. Can be extremely fun for sure, but personally there’s only so many Japanese women wearing gas masks and fighting with a Turner SMLE in the middle of North Africa that I can take.
@@Courierman6 true, but it should at least be authentic to the time period. It’s really not asking that much to want the soldiers in a WW2 game to look like WW2 soldiers.
1:03:24 You haven't seen this yet, one Russian movie about the war. There was a similar scene in which civilians went to a German fortress with shovel handles. The film "Burnt by the Sun 2" is hated in our country just as much as "Enemy at the Gates" and many other modern Russian films about the Great Patriotic War
Why is the movie so despised? I'm curious. It doesn't seem as vibrantly political (ex.: T-34) or downright bizzare (ex.: Enemy at the Gates) as many other movies. When I watched it (as a Pole), the movie seemed quite appropriately grim and nihilistic. Whatever its faults may be, I do think that the trench sequence of the movie, from the arrival of the recruits to the battle itself, is the best of the film.
The hillarious thing is, EA ACTUALLY did a much better job at depicting the "Nordys" missions, nearly 20 years before Battlefield 5, in the very first Medal of Honor game. So, a Ps One era game is more historically accurate than this.
That's because we have Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks, as well as good story writers and historians. It's an ultimate shame that E.A. cannot make another Medal of Honor Games since Warfighter, not even an actual sequel of Pacific Assault. Imagine if Respawn Entertainment will be the one to make a sequel of Pacific Assault and Rising Sun instead, using Unreal Engine 5 rather than the outdated Frostbite Engine.
@@mystyle_jm8997 Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks did a horrendous job with their research for band of brothers so even they aren't good indicators for historical accuracy. Saving Private Ryan is also about a completely fictitious mission, and Omaha isn't accurate in the movie to real life Omaha at all.
I still remember all the drama around this game when it came out. Yeah, Battlefield 1 wasn't accurate but it was respectful and you could at least identify them as WW1 soldiers. Battlefield V on the contrary is absolutely disrespectful in its portrayal of these very much real people that lived. The multiplayer skins especially were so bad I remember a youtuber saying he tried to make a guide on a historically accurate uniform kit but he just couldn't. Was ridiculous arguing with those, "it's just a game it doesn't have to look right" types.
1:03:30 I find it extremely ironic that in the game they took the rifles away from les Tirailleurs. This unit’s name literally means “Shooters” (from the French verb “tirer” - “to shoot”) Or these sénégalais were so cool that they could shoot using shovels
It’s increasingly disrespectful for these games that say they’re historically accurate and then change races or genders of the men that fought the war. Too many movies and games are doing this.
@@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj which isn’t even true, because several German generals wrote autobiographies after the war and started a fuckton of myths. History is written by those who write it down.
@@harmlesshawk1794 In this case it's justified, because if DICE really wanted to tell stories involving women and other minorites, they had plenty of options. Instead they took existing stories and misrepresented them in a way that was downright disrespectful.
This series is really great, it shows the amount of effort and research you put into each video, as well as educating us with real and accurate historical facts, some are even obscure and have never been shown before, as someone who likes historical battles and wants to know more about them, I appreciate the time and effort you put into the series and I hope you continue with more games in the future!
This was super interesting to watch, though I have some fixes on the tank sections (I love tanks) - The Tiger in Norway in the prologue is inaccurate even if the year was right. I can't find anything showing Tigers being sent to Norway, not to mention how stupid it would be to send a tank with such a limited production to an inactive front - Missed Neubaufahrzeug appearance opportunity. - The lack of Panzer III's in all the North Africa sections is criminal - The Panzer IV H's in "Under No Flag" are in grey paint when they should be in literally any form of tropical camo for German tanks (tan colors). Panzer IV H's started production after dunkelgelb was made the standard base coat as well. All of this makes them even more inaccurate - There is no visual differences that identify the Panzer IV at 1:11:18 as an F2, as there was not much changed between it and the Ausf. G and so counting that as an inaccuracy is a little unfair. - I think you missed that the Sdkfz. 251's in "The Last Tiger" have the older more complex rear hull shape, when by 1945 the design was simplified. - You also missed that the catastrophic explosions that all the tanks suffer in game would be even more unlikely for the late war Shermans due to wet stowage. - The Peter's tank in "The Last Tiger" is not a Tiger Ausf. H but is a Tiger Ausf. E - The old style cupola continued into early E production, though by 1945 the new type cupola would have been more common (Tank Encyclopedia has an illustration of a 1945 Tiger with the late suspension and early cupola similar to what the on in game is like). - External smoke grenade launchers were not universal and there was an internal one for later Tigers (located behind the loader's hatch). - The in game model show the tank having the later type suspension (interleaved pattern shows the outer 4 wheels further away from the sprocket wheel) which is further proof of it being and Ausf. E Tiger. This later suspension also should have the steel rimmed wheels (model in the game looks like rubber so that is still inaccurate). - The fact that it is a Tiger Ausf. E makes the North Africa air filters even more inaccurate than if it was a Tiger Ausf. H.
You gotta look at the multiplayer customization options sometime. Oh the embarrassing amount of time, effort, and money I spent trying to come up with cool yet believable looks for my soldier classes…
I am really thankful that you have made a video on Battlefield V, I have always wanted to see someone take a look at this, amazing video as always. If it isn’t too much to ask, could you please take a look into battlefield 1 as well?
Man what the hell happened Battlefield 1 was a masterpiece for Historian's and gamers alike many things in BF1 are inaccuray but it was fun and unquie that isn't a enough WW1 Games and that is a shame because The Great War is important to history than the cold war or World War 2 Keep up the Good work The Frosty 1 Love Your Videos ❤🎉❤
WW1 is actually what led to WW2 and eventually the Cold War, Had the Entente didn't come up with the idea of blaming Germany things would've gone differently for better or worse
Battlefield 1 was hella inaccurate too lol. It was just far more dedicated and passion made. Still quite the mediocre short campaigns compared to prior Battlefield ones, for which I was extremely disappointed. As a matter of fact, gunwise, it was worse than this one.
BF1 was pretty inaccurate too, but the stories were better on the whole, and they did a better job of at least being authentic, showing war in a more serious way than most games do.
15:42 correction there, aside being used by JG11 for the Reich Defense identification band, the yellow band is also the identification band used on all Axis warplanes on the Eastern Front. For the Mediterranean and North African Theater, the Bf 109 should've used the white identification band.
DICE not sticking to historical accuracy is something that made me drop the game quite quickly. Even though BF1 isn't as accurate as I remember it being, I played it a lot longer and have fond memories of it.
I seem to recall the turret flying off of an exploding tank was way more common among Soviet tanks. The Soviets liked to store the ammo under the turret, so when it cooked off the force of the explosion would send the turret flying into the air. This is still seen with Soviet and post-Soviet tanks to this day.
As someone that played BF5 almost exclusively for the multiplayer (which actually has some pretty good-looking WW2 gear, like Kradchutzen), I can say that BF5 tried harder than Vabguard.
@@jeffreyisbell7471 Everything! :D... absolutely everything. But if you want me to choose an example.. Stungrenades in the game, changed the british paratrooper story so the black guy was the real hero, he existed but wasn't the ultimate hero. Japanese soldiers with stg's, those square red dots ( i can understand the use of the 1947 nydar shotgun optic but they took vanguard to MW19 level in ww2 game) The gun modifications in general in that game, the operators in the game.. when you go to the game online it's my team vs enemy team. They avoided putting you into german side which is ridiculous because they let you be a soviet (Soviets were just as bad if not worse than nazis)
@@jeffreyisbell7471my brother in Christ. Everything that can wrong, did go wrong. The Spawn were wack, guns are super cursed, second worst COD story so far, so much Historical inaccuracies, kicked off the awful cosmetics like Attack on Titan and Anime skins, worst Zombies ever, awful sound design.
Funny thing is that BF1’s historical inaccuracies will probably mostly be somewhat minor, with just a few guns and a black German being the main issues, whereas in BFV it’s like every soldier is a time traveler
@@hyml_300 Nah, Battlefield 1 is more historically authentic than you guys give it credit for. The only significantly inaccurate stuff are the black German and the 3-4 prototype weapons. Other than that it sticks mostly to stuff that actually existed
@@ExtantPerson the Italian war story literally never happened and the arditi was portrayed wrongly, the american faction is incredibly butchered bc of their attire and weapon portrayal, overall all the factions lack the proper attire and heavy use of experimental armor pieces that saw little to no combat use
@@hyml_300 Duh, none of the war stories actually happened, they’re historical nonfiction. While it is true that they put too much emphasis on the armored guys, they were still real and saw action. The American faction is fine, the only odd thing there is the support’s helmet. Remember, America had to use mainly British gear in WW1 because so many people enlisted so fast. The factions are all fine, and in reality all countries experimented with or used body armor, most of all Italy and Germany, so giving them all access to the sentry kit is both sensible for gameplay balance and not too egregiously inaccurate.
When I saw some of these uniforms of both German and British factions, I noticed how odd the equipment was represented. It's enough to ask us if we really have seen those outfits and uniforms before. Not to mention the odd Parabellum MP40 magazine vest for the German factions found commonly around the campaigns.
@@TheFrosty_1 "Yep, you guessed it. Another. HMS Iron Duke. Which is still beached in Scapa flow"😂 Thanks for the well made video about my fav game👍 (hope to see new content with maybe the weapons and multiplayer of bf5😂)
13:44 Would most likely be a Mle 1886/39 or a 07-15 M34 equipped with a mle 1921 scope. 1:05:23 1907/15 M34 Berthiers were still quite common even in Colonial troops. Same for FM 24/29 (though indeed Brens were used too).
I had to write it, helmet is spoken "HEL-MET" not "HEM-LET", I know its nitpicking but if a channel focuses on inaccuracies, I think such detail is important.
1:11:10 What is baffling is that the appropriate flare pistol for this missiom was already used in BF1. They quite literally modeled an incorrect one when just ripping the old BF1 model would've been more accurate. The one time they don't reuse assets.
Heres another one for yeah for the cologne level: The American troops say "firing RPG" when they're using the panzerfaust, they also hold it and manuever with it like an RPG. The ONLY other time i've seen someone mess up a panzerfaust this bad is in the loading screen for "Beach Invasion" in Return to Castle Wolfenstein multiplayer, where an allied soldier is scene holding a panzerfaust like an RPG while taking cover near a dragons tooth anti tank obstacle.
your knowledge, or lack of. of German tanks is forgivable. I could find 300 inaccuracies on the Tiger model alone. Also tanks never left the factory in hull red. That's a common misconception.
@@TheFrosty_1 The specific Panther you are talking about was not captured during the war. It was completed post-war by the British for testing purposes.
Battlefield V was a shitshow. And as soon as i heard one of the devs talking about the game needing to be diverse because of his fortnite playing 5 year old daughter, i knew that i had wasted money on a WWII fan-fic, not a serious game.
@@mightyx5441 SMALL details? the made up entire events that never took place. You 100% did not even watch a minute of this video, not one thing about this game was good or was dated to the right timeline. this isnt small. This was a huge cluster fuck
So i have a friend who used to work at dice and he said the reason why single player doesn’t have vehicle and weaponry like the staghound or the Qf pounder is because the mission is created before multiplayer and they use the models they already had and dont bother to add the ones they make later like the at gunner in the last tiger u can see the hands hold it like the bazooka since they’re supposed to but due to time constraints and what my friend call house boredom they didn’t add it back
Even further diving into the Sturmgewehr rabbit hole, depending on exactly when the mission is set it could be any of the following Mkb42H Mp43 Mp44 Stg44
All DICE had to do for the Nijmegen battle is just rip off the crossing of the Waal segment in 'A Bridge too far' but they did a whole load of bollocks instead.
The 9th SS panzer division consisted of many regular Wehrmacht conscripts. The 10th SS panzer division was almost entirely conscripts. I had no idea the Waffen-SS used conscription. How did the Wehrmacht react to that? I know there were tensions between the Wehrmacht and SS over jurisdiction and equipment. Conscripting men into the party's military rather than the country's sounds like it'd be another point of tension.
Yeah the two never got along. The Wehrmacht were historically more politically diverse compared to the SS. However last I remember the conscripts the SS used were mostly foreign Ostruppens.
@@emberfist8347 my now Passed away Great Grandfather was a Panzer Grenadier in the Wehrmacht in his Unit many dind"t wanted this War but they there afraid of the SS
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*"These are people who are uneducated - they don't understand that this is a plausible scenario."*
- A direct quote from EAs Chief Creative Officer, Patrick Soderlund, when pressed on the utterly disrespectful butchering of history in their game, Battlefield 5.
I hope this analysis and all the many others go to show just how "uneducated" your games fanbase is, Mr Soderlund.
This video was a massive collaborative effort with much of the critical research sourced from our team including Davidson, Karabiny, K-Nyne, FeReinsm, Munancho Inc and ,the supportive community in our discord group, along with several other sources. Massive thanks to everyone involved and to you for watching!
If you have any questions, corrections, or extra inaccuracies then please let us know in the comments.
When I first found your channel, specifically, the video centered on the newer version of Cold War. This game came into my mind, and I thought to myself “he’s probably going to have an absolute aneurysm with Battlefield five if he gets to it“
And unfortunately, I wasn’t wrong throughout this video you seem like you are on the absolute verge of just wanting to put yourself into a diabetic coma.
It’s interesting though because as you and pretty much everybody else is keenly aware the initial release of this actually did gain a lot of people saying that you know there were so many historical inaccuracies and all that stuff. But as we know the head guy for this particular game told everybody that they could go and suck it and obviously this resulted in battlefield five having some extremely poor sales, and even worse reviews.
I definitely commend you for having the courage and the willpower to look over this game. I look forward to anything you might have on mind in the future.
Would you like us to leak some more classified documents?
Hey guys just wanted to say something, When I started to watch Frosty1, I was quite surprised and fascinated with the level of inaccuracy produced by COD, a few games tried, and a few didn't, and downright slandered history. But after I watched the BF5 video I was even more shocked and disappointed with it. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the Battlefield series and I believe that Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 were the Golden Age of the Battlefield franchise and were also the pinnacle of what Battlefield should be. But looking at BF5 I was disgusted with the franchise, It made the COD game inaccuracies cute compared to what they decided to put out, EXCEPT FOR VANGUARD AND COLD WAR THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SHIT, But the rest of the COD games tried somewhat. To Frosty1, today's video was an absolute masterpiece and a great historical review/documentary, I learned a lot today thanks to you. Please continue to put these videos in the future and I shall always be your supporter. See you soon with more videos and god bless you brother.
How about Call of Duty 1 and United Offensive?
Can you also do Assassin's Creed inaccuracies plz?
>goes to school for 12 years
>goes to college for 4-8 years
>finally gets a degree in history
>flame BFV online
>refuses to elaborate further
>leaves.
*What a Chad*
you don't need a college degree, you just need internet access.
A chad who’d get bullied
@@mr.channel6467 nah this isn’t the 2000s I doubt anyone would be bullied for this
@@meatiest1989it’s either I go to a cliché Sitcom high school, or this is extremely false.
@Funny_fuck Then I'd reckon you go to the cliché since I went to high school from 2015-2019 and I didn't get bullied for that
Remember when Dice and EA was calling players "uneducated" for saying this game is not historically accurate?
Pepperridge Farms remember
Even in my country is not focusing much in ww1 and 2 and yet I knew most of the details of this game is a fraud since our book never tell or tell different stories during ww1 and 2 era
"Bbbbbut it could have happened and just not been reported!"
Yes I do
@@Eric-vs2heI want you to
The length of the video says everything about this. How Dice got away with all this surprises me. It's like Activision and Dice were having a contest of who could anger their fans more by creating the worst and most inaccurate WW2 games ever.
The next will be BF1 😂😂😂
Most fans of those games do not give two shits about history.
the game was fun so who cares
Remember, being accurate means spending alot of money on licensing things. Its cheaper to make some parts original
@@krampus7939 Only you cares, nobody else cares. Go to play fortnite.
There's 3 levels of inaccuracies roughly in games.
1) "minor" details like uniforms & weapons not lining up with dates (which are easily forgivable)
2) "major" details like the entire wrong uniforms or weapons on troops (which are much harder to overlook)
3) "inexcusable" details like different nations participating in events
1's are really nitpicks and while its fine to bring them up we can't really fault them for not investing significant time into catching every possible minor mistake.
2's are really simple mistakes and shouldn't happen more then a few times (if at all), but some forgiveness should always be in the wings because mistakes happen.
3's should never happen. These aren't fine details that are easily missed or require years of research to fully understand and chart out.
These are so basic even wikipedia cant mess them up. (and that's quite something)
It's really tragic to see how far dice has fallen...
I agree that minor details are easily forgivable. Personally, they can be easy to overlook.
Is like Dice was ever making games historically accurate. Or they were paying much attention and budget to the single player that only 1% players play
@@chaimkobylinski1988 the fact that BF1 was miles better in its singleplayer shows that you’re wrong.
@@surprisedchar2458 lol, what? Nobody cares about singleplayer..
@@TheAlanReviewsfully agreed certain things like the sten or CERTAIN parts of the british uniforms being wrong is okay stuff like them wearing the m1 is not
All these inaccuracies can date back to the Community Manager (correct me if I’m wrong) saying to the fanbase “I’ll find myself on the right side of history, accept it or don’t buy it”
This shows Dice and EAs attitude towards this game was never about being historically respectful but by writing their own safe version of WW2 :/
Actually, it was the then CEO of DICE Patrick Soderlund. That's right, the fucking _top dog._
"Find myself on the right side of history"
The funny thing is that at this moment, (at least on PC) Battlefield V is currently the MOST played Battlefield game, just above 2042. In a way, he was right
That’s literally what a Nazi would say😭😭
Before, they had the balls to make Medal Of Honor (2010) and then there's this...
@@CoolAndrew89well yeah duh. It is a fps game not a historical documentary after all.
I think more people would be happy to play as themselves in the game, than seeing that it would be an inaccuracy and being mad over it.
For The Last Tiger, part of the reason why so much of the American gear is so inaccurate is because at the time it came out the Americans weren't even added to the game, so they were mashed together with whatever assets they had, and they never bothered to update it after the actually added American stuff
And of course being modern DICE, they decided to go ahead with designing the mission instead of waiting until the Americans were added or instead making the mission take place in the areas that the UK invaded
@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj or you know the fact that they released a WW2 game containing stuff from 3 of the 6 major fighting nations (and france BARELY counts as 1 of those 3)
@@thefireisonfire Very sad indeed, and we're still waiting for the USSR update to this day
@@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj the game stopped being updated like 2 years ago
@@rainbowpeanut2568Ik
Here is a fun fact: Panzershreck was developed based on the captured M1 bazookas, apparently a few earlier versions did make it to tunisia before that was wrapped up
The issue is the version seen in the game features the blast shield which was not on the versions sent to Tunisia.
It was reverse engineered
More cool thing is Panzerschrek is not in multiplayer despite dice having modeled it
@@tablesizeproductions4360 yeah, originally operators had to wear gas masks when firing it, which is why the shield was developed later.
That versions specifically was called rpzb 43 i think
@@TenTen-yt2dsWhich led to tanks being absolutely broken before they finally added more gadgets
The funniest thing is that swastikas are absent from BFV but in the Nordlys mission you can see a text that reads: ''As war rages across the globe, Western Europe falls under the shadow of the Swastika'' 48:18
i mean it's just a text? rather than the symbol itself, "swastika" is literally the name of the symbol in religions in short your argument lacks some sense lmao
@@bored-z2397 still doesn't justify that ww2 germany is somehow is still using the imperial flag instead of nazi swastika flag.
@@bored-z2397True? But i guess that they wanted to erase all prescence of the symbol just to then add that
it's because they can't show the swastika in games anymore..
dumb to use the imperial flag though
@@AverageImpThey absolutely can, they're just too coward to do so
One more thing, not sure if someone pointed it out yet, but at the end of the British campaign, we see that the German soldier who was captured by Billy is still banging on the trunk to try to be let out, but the panel that moves is actually the engine bay hatch, which means they crammed that poor man inside the engine
That's pretty funny actually
Dice logic be like
"Using winter gear in the desert"
"Using desert gear in the winter"
And someone at dice said to the fans: "These people are uneducated"
underrated comment..
_external screaming_
Is he new to the internet? Fans are the scariest, most intelligent bastards imaginable, they can and absolutely will discover _everything_ within hours of getting access.
@ShadowScryerMK2 Most developers are under the impression that children who generally don't care about accuracy are playing these games, and not adults who have done their research either out of curiosity or are history buffs.
@@kenzieuchiha1191 Sometimes I can barely even pick up my controller sometimes to play this game
"Nah, trust me, their uniforms looks cool so it must be right" -said nobody that wasn't working on this game
"The characters are diverse so it must be right. We should ignore and cover up the real people who participated in a real historical event, just to shove in a mid story that even the target audience wouldn't like if they were playing the game."
Meticulous accuracy above being cheap and popular. I'd rather pay $10, $15 more for a completely accurate game that makes me feel like it's real. I don't want a game that barely feels like it's in the general time period, and doesn't even feel like it's set in the actual year or place it's supposed to be.
It’s not a surprise how much bfV recycled bf1’s assets. Sometimes you can glitch yourself while reviving and have bf1 medic syringe as your weapon
Get better at the game this has never happened to me
@@CarlaMcclain-sz1ncL bait
@@CarlaMcclain-sz1ncCringe like do you have anytging goos in ur life? nope
It at least makes a little bit of sense, a decent amount of WW1 stuff did end up getting used in WW2 for one reason or another, so it isn't that out of place. Mostly.
I like how the least inaccurate part of battlefield5 comes from battlefield 1 and it’s still not correct lol
“what is this, Enemy at the Gates?”
I died
Funfact, the german law allows usage of things like the bad-bad cross under the circumstance that it is used in historical, documentarian, artistic and some other ways, as long as there is no glorification of the third reich. In fact it is being shown in tv shows, games and other media quite regularily.
Seems like this comment section could really use that info.
They dropped this law a few years ago before the release of Wolfenstein New Colossus. The third reich is kinda glorified there with all the futurist tech, UFOs and so on.
i think the biggest sin is that the M1903 springfield is completely absent from the game
Many Springfields still saw frontline use, In North Africa Sicily and Italy many soldiers still had them and even as late during Operation Market Garden there are pics of paratroopers using them still
@CrossOfBayonne yeah irl. Im talking about the game. The player cannot equip any variant of the M1903 at all.
@@Voucher765you forget that they were also heavily used by the U.S Marine Corps as well, since they took longer to adopt the Garand unlike the U.S Army
@wesleymcbride8084 Yes I know that fact but they were standard issue in Europe as well
One would imagine that we would have M1903s considering that they were by far the most common if not the only weapons that the US used as sniper rifles
Man, I felt like the campaign was just complete garbage. However, I will say the “Last Tiger” carried the hell out of the campaign.
Agreed but even the Last Tiger mission was... incredibly inaccurate. I loved that I could (fucking) FINALLY play as a German Soldier in a Historical (if you wanna call BFV that) war game but... the amount of inaccuracies hurt my soul as I played through it. Could barely get through it once because of that.
Well if you want more WW2 from german perspective. I highly reccommend Company of Heroes with DLCs.
Three of the campaigns (which are in the DLCs) are as germans it is definetely worth checking out. If you like RTS games then you will definetely have fun.
1st campaign is a Market Garden Campaign where you as commander of Kampgruppe Lehr fight of the Allied Paratroopers.
2nd is Tiger Ace campaign where you go on the Rampage in the Villers-Bocage destroying British Armor.
3nd is my absolute favorite. Falaise Pocket from Perspective. You fight the never ending onslaught of Allied troops holding the town of Trun.
@@MLPIceberg Not even CoD have tried a German campaign
@@Slenderslayer351I wish they did. Could have done a similar story to Walter Wenk.
I agree It was the best mission imo
I like how you completely ignore the technical problems (broken animations and clipping) and you STILL have THIS MUCH TO WORK WITH.
it's historical inaccuracies not bad game mechanics
At one point in the first part the british siolder he's talking abouts head just starts spinning lmao
21:15 The trenchcoat demon strikes again
The game was released unfinished. Later on, it got updates.
@@TheAlanReviews. It shouldn't have needed to, though. Plus, even after launch, some of the updates literally broke the game.
DICE avoiding historical accuracy like Japan avoids talks about their party in Nanjing 1937
32:04 Additional inaccuracy: The reload animation for the STG44 shows the magazine being rocked back into the magazine well, which is often incorrectly depicted because people assume it works the same way as an AK47 due to the visual similarity. In reality, the magazine is inserted straight into the well
It's fun when you tell and prove to people that the AK is more similar to the M1 Garand (at least functionally) than the STG44
0:35 My great uncle was born in 1898 and fought in that unit. Thankfully he survived WW1 and lived to see his 5 sons fight in WW2. They survived the war, but the little brother of the family lost his hearing in combat during the pacific theater. My family knows how to survive wars, ha.
Get lost lmao
@@Toyota9993-m6g I’m sorry was your head dropped on you as a child or were you just born stupid?
@@Toyota9993-m6g Can you show respect please
Luckiest family in history.
@@sethleoric2598 I know right? Although all the 5 brothers are dead they had 1 sister born in 1930 and she’s currently 93. Me and my grandma went to her house a few months ago and I asked about if she remembered WW2 happening. She only remembered a little, but she remembers getting mail from her brothers during their service.
Update: February 25th 12:04PM. I’m gonna go see her today! :D
1:09:02 This "camo" pattern looks it was based on the same pattern used by the Pemuda Pancasila (English: Pancasila Youth) paramilitary organization in Indonesia, that is formed in 1959. I need to know what the hell was DICE smoking when they made this game
So in alternate history Wehrmacht is defending a convenience store?
@@aslamnurfikri7640 and probably weddings
@@aslamnurfikri7640 worse, it was a wedding party 😂😂
Surprisingly there are no Indonesians in the reply section when someone mentioned Indonesia here
@@TankMasterGo The two guys above you are probably Indonesians, they seems to know more about them than I did
It almost feels like Dice researched how to be as inaccurate as possible.
That's what happens when your entire staff is new, young, and is just in it for the money
@@a.t6066youth has nothing to do with it, they were just lazy
@RusticRonnie they weren't. They just didn't care. They weren't passionate. Like most kids nowadays they view jobs as a grind and a means to an end. So many people won't stay in a position more than a year or two so they can move to different companies and make more money....
@@a.t6066That’s what happens when you hire Marxist employees who see old history as “problematic”
@@a.t6066That’s kinda the point of a job…
I’m convinced that they purposefully did this. It’s like getting every answer on a test wrong, it shouldn’t even be possible to do accidentally.
Especially when the did it right in their earlier games without the resources they have access to today both in historical materials and staffing.
Except, maddeningly enough, they DIDN'T get everything wrong; There are some aspects they did okay to even great at, which then makes all of the errors even more infuriating.
back in the old days devs werent forced to put red dots on ww2 weapons in games.
Y'know, unlike the other games that you've covered in this series, Battlefield 5 just feels straight up disrespectful in almost every regard, with how many real-life veterans it replaces with made up soldiers and the like. Like, World at War, as inaccurate as it may have been, was still respectful in its depiction of WW2 and to those who fought in it.
Really glad you decided to make this vid.
even bf1 did a better job of respecting its era even with all the inaccuracies as well.
@@shadowzone2588 Battlefield 1 felt more like WW2 than Battlefield 5, a minimal letdown for BF1, a massive L for BF5 lol
@@shadowzone2588 bf1 was not any more accurate than bfv, it was however more fun
@@brady-b7l @@brady-b7l accuracy? Yeah, I agree, but BF1 was certainly more authentic to it's theme, the game was full of 1 of a kind prototypes that have never been fired, tanks that were 10x faster than their real life counterpart and had barely any trench warfare, but at least it didn't have female cyborg nazis wearing the scraps of an amateur soldier cosplay competition
Battlefield 1 felt like war
Battlefield V felt like satire
WaW shot for historical authenticity and a brutally dark tone and hit both nails right on the head. It aimed to mimic Hell on earth and succeeded.
**looks at title**
**looks at time**
"Yep. Bout sums it up."
1:25:20 actually the German law allows depictions of swastikas in works of art such as movies and books. Video-game were not recognized as works of art for some outdated political reasons. However the since 2018 this law changed to include video games in that clause. Battlefield 5 came out in November 2018 and The last Tiger in December 2018. So they had a lot of time to change to the swastikas. Also as to why they're not included in the American or British version of the game I have no idea.
It seems like no one has the balls to show history anymore. Shame...
Call of Duty WaW had plenty of swastikas, however the special German editions did not
You are only half correct. Yes, German law now allows swastika for educational, art or satire purposes. For video games and stuff, however, there must be a enmity towards the Third Reich portrayed. The Last Tiger makes you play as Germans, so a swastika would be illegal there, too. The same for games like World of Tanks, War Thunder, Enlisted, Gates of Hell, Company of Heroes, Hell Let Loose, Squad 44 (formerly Post Scriptum) and so on. It's a complete nonsense law.
It Hakenkreuz not swastika
@@runajain5773
Both is correct.
@@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078 nope swastika is sanskrit word it symbol peace because hindu diaspora in western always trouble with displayed the swastika symbol association with nazi even both differently display
The disrespect of the Norwegian men of Operation Gunnerside pisses me off so much. I read the book “SABOTAGE” about their mission, and the amount of inaccuracies and turning their story into a mother-daughter narrative is awful.
At 1:13:40 the Ross straight pull rifle from the cutscene magically turns into the Turner SMLE. They use it in several cutscenes in this story despite the fact it makes no sense and can’t be used in the level.
My great-grandfather was a British Bren machine gunner at the battle of kasserine pass, he lived to see through the battle, but he was injured by a Stielhandgranate, this is unfairly represented.
Nobody cares as usual lmao. Get a job.
Yeah dude nobody gives a shit
Thank you for your Granpa's Service
@torrensyt7958 Dude why are you doing this
Hypocrite. @@Toyota9993-m6g
8:21 That flag uses the same design from Battlefield 1942.
33:24 Correction: there is a barrel changing animation for the MG34 and MG42 but it’s only in MP for some reason.
38:19 The third barrel is usable as an alternate fire mode.
1:31:05 I wonder if DICE ever considered having this war story be set in Berlin instead of Cologne.
Yeah I think that flag design of Germany, is also considered to be "fan service" or "homage" to Bf 1942
@@tardarsauce1842Or to avoid using the Swastika
@@anotherdaytobetheslayer7091 eh make it both
@@anotherdaytobetheslayer7091 COD: WaW : what censorship?
@@bored-z2397 COD WAW has the most gigantic balls of all time when compared to Cod WW2 and shitguard and BFV, though COD WAW has a lot of historical inaccuracies covered by the same guy of this vid, but it's mainly uniforms and kits and the dates and weapons and tanks.
I still remember the backlash this game got and the amount of people defending it was... honestly scary. I still remember someone saying "People don't want authenticity in games, they want convincing power fantasies." like... Did they know what game they're talking about?
Honestly bfv being accurate is like a fish climbing a tree: it's really bad at it, but that's because it was never meant to try in the first place. Bfv is cinematic first and foremost.
@@piefighter36 they could at least get the Enfield rifles right 10 rounds in the magazine not 5 .
@@matthewcharles5867 Um, Enfield rifles have 5 round clips. It's the SMLE (short magazine lee enfield) (enfield with a small magazine) that has a 10 round clip. And the SMLE in bf5 has 10 rounds, so idk what you mean
Ummmmm sorry sweaty go be a liberal somewhere else @piefighter36
@@the7A7dudebeing informed about guns makes someone a liberal???
I have to ask, how on EARTH did the flamethrower troops in NORWAY get Afrikacorps jackets, meanwhile the German soldiers in AFRICA were wearing winter gear? Like you can't make up a mistake like that. It's so over the top I wonder how it even made it out the door.
318 inaccuracies in 90.5 minutes (discounting the sponsorship + intro and outro is around 3.5 inaccuracies per minute
honestly, quite incredible
7 for every 2 min., you can't have half a mistake. But yeah you're right.
Howdy, thought I'd dogpile on a couple more observations
0:25 - Both men have German Gewehr 98s with American M1905 bayonets awkwardly grafted onto them. The 369th guy should have a French Berthier, and neither should have that bayonet.
46:40 - The M1A1 Carbine in the game also has the very late war bayonet lug and adjustable rear sight. It's very difficult to find any images of rifles with either of these features being used in Europe. They're most commonly seen on standard M1 Carbines in the Pacific in mid-late 1945.
Thanks for another great video, the Norway mission always bugged me with this game, it was wrong of them not to include a story about the legendary Commandoes.
I would rather see it replaced by St. Nazaire raid
Very disrespectful considering the devs are Swedish and should've hae an easy time researching this
@@daedalus6433Wrong country
@@Moonvive They are neighbors though. And the Norwegian language is very easy for a Swede to learn and translate.
Can’t have stories about every great ww2 story😂 game would be 100hours of just campaign
Yes you finally did battlefield!
After like 6 years
@@jfd9616well it’s not like he was posting 6 years ago
There is one inaccuracy you forgot. Soldiers during WW2 could not turn their heads 360 degrees.
Imagine being shot by a guy who then scolds your corpse for wearing a historically inaccurate uniform.
One more inaccuracy in the prologue. You can see lit streetlights in the background briefly. To my knowledge this wouldn’t be the case during the blitz as a blackout was enforced.
small detail with the WW1 section both the German and American soldiers facing each other off are holding Gewehr 98 rifles with the bayonets somehow fixed to the stock instead of to the bayonet lug just under the barrel
no, the US soldier has a Springfiled M1903, I remember using it in the opening BF1 mission. The Springfield company was sued by Mauser, however, because the Springfield used almost the exact same action, but the lawsuit never went anywhere because Germany lost the war.
@@PBI45yes, In the cutscene both soldiers are holding the Gewehr 98
Thank you for bringing this up, I saw that too when playing again and it made me laugh
Maybe one African American dude use Captured weapon from dead body
@@ThisIsBoogieJar is this the case in both games or did BF5 recreate the cutscene and specifically get that wrong?
Remember when Dice said this game was on the “right side of history”?🤣🤣🤣
The side they made up.
I don't think U know what that phrase means ngl. They were talking about the inclusion of female characters in the game, and how it is better to be inclusive than exclusive, and how they think that the world is trending towards inclusivity.
Real history 👎 "right side of history "👍
@@twitchynosesam Rewriting history for the sake of inclusivity... What a sad world we live in
@@terrypennington2519 oh no! The terror. I'm shivering just thinking about it. People caring about each other more than old history? Smh those devils
Some other inaccuracies I noticed in ''The Last Tiger'' are:
- None of the crew have any visible insignia on their uniforms: i.e breast eagles, cuff titles, collar patches, etc.
- Tiger tanks were not filled up with a bunch of kids. The tiger was seen as an incredibly valuable piece of weaponry and it's crews were handpicked across all fronts and units. Tigers were thus reserved for the best tank crewmen Germany had to offer.
- The German officer's caps have no Wehrmacht eagle on them and instead only have the oakleafs on the space that should be occupied by the eagle.
- At 1:29:04 we see the German officer. His rank however is *impossible* to tell. He's seen having the oakleafs on his cap placed on the right space, but still no eagle. He's also noticeably missing his officer's shoulder boards *AND* breast eagle. Additionally, he has 1 single medal: The knight's cross. This is not possible as it the knight's cross equates to 3 iron crosses earned. Eventhough He's not wearing the ribbon for the 2nd class or even the 1st class on his left breast pocket.
I have seen a photo of an underage Panzer 4H driver.
@@thelradame5508Yes but that was as you said a Panzer IV and not a Tiger.
@@darius_alex2043 I wasn’t saying they had underage Tiger drivers but rather there was a precedent the developers probably drew from. I think what you said is right.
Ill never understand what the point of censoring a swatstika in a WW2 focused video games
Those stupid rating systems and censorship laws;
Same reason why it's fine murdering dozens of people in a game with Mature17+ rating but if it (for example) has usage of drugs or some nudity it might have problem
Just to get the idea circling in your head, a BF1 historical inaccuracies would be dope
At least those would be cut down by half easily, and most of the inaccuracies were literally just sacrifices for gameplay/more weaponry etc, really the only thing you can bust BF1's balls over are the uniforms/player models but at least they still had-mostly legitimate-reasons for them.
@@CommanderLongJohnBF1 seemed to have so much care put into respecting the setting’s historical accuracy. I like how they just completely gave that up in a day and night difference when it came to bf5
As an avid WWI history enthousiast, Battlefield 1 is just as horrendous historical wise.
@@Yellowpuffin Not even in the same ballpark
@@CommanderLongJohn they are though. WWI is horribly represented in Battlefield 1.
An Enlisted sponsorship on the previous vid, and now a War Thunder sponsorship. Props to you for mentioning the classified document leaks on the ad itself xD
I've wanted a video like this FOR YEARS
Same
You missed one at 38:00 The sight on the FlAK 38 doubled as an artificial horizon indicator and should swing freely rather than being an unmoving ring. This pivoting action allowed the gunner to begin firing at the correct time to ensure that the rounds would impact on an aircraft as it flew.
It’s very nice to see someone who actually cares about the historical inaccuracies besides “women didn’t fight in ww2 and didn’t have hook hands”. It’s genuinely all people ever talk about
Good Lord. I saw only 2 chapters, and there are already 193 inaccuracies. Ok, I don't count operating AA by just one person as a major error because of gameplay, but in order to achieve so many "oversights" Dice must've hired only blind people.
Try the multiplayer. Not a single person will look like a proper WW2 soldier.
@ExtantFellow47 Oh I've played multi-player. It was fun. Fun and inaccurate.
@@TheGrandeCapo Yep, perfectly said. Can be extremely fun for sure, but personally there’s only so many Japanese women wearing gas masks and fighting with a Turner SMLE in the middle of North Africa that I can take.
@@ExtantPersonit's multiplayer it ain't gonna be accurate
@@Courierman6 true, but it should at least be authentic to the time period. It’s really not asking that much to want the soldiers in a WW2 game to look like WW2 soldiers.
1:03:24 You haven't seen this yet, one Russian movie about the war. There was a similar scene in which civilians went to a German fortress with shovel handles. The film "Burnt by the Sun 2" is hated in our country just as much as "Enemy at the Gates" and many other modern Russian films about the Great Patriotic War
Why is the movie so despised? I'm curious. It doesn't seem as vibrantly political (ex.: T-34) or downright bizzare (ex.: Enemy at the Gates) as many other movies.
When I watched it (as a Pole), the movie seemed quite appropriately grim and nihilistic. Whatever its faults may be, I do think that the trench sequence of the movie, from the arrival of the recruits to the battle itself, is the best of the film.
@@thatonepolishguy3773 Because they perpetuate innacuracies about the soviet side of WW2 just as much as Enemy at the Gates kind of stuff
The hillarious thing is, EA ACTUALLY did a much better job at depicting the "Nordys" missions, nearly 20 years before Battlefield 5, in the very first Medal of Honor game.
So, a Ps One era game is more historically accurate than this.
That's because we have Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks, as well as good story writers and historians.
It's an ultimate shame that E.A. cannot make another Medal of Honor Games since Warfighter, not even an actual sequel of Pacific Assault. Imagine if Respawn Entertainment will be the one to make a sequel of Pacific Assault and Rising Sun instead, using Unreal Engine 5 rather than the outdated Frostbite Engine.
@@mystyle_jm8997 Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks did a horrendous job with their research for band of brothers so even they aren't good indicators for historical accuracy. Saving Private Ryan is also about a completely fictitious mission, and Omaha isn't accurate in the movie to real life Omaha at all.
I still remember all the drama around this game when it came out. Yeah, Battlefield 1 wasn't accurate but it was respectful and you could at least identify them as WW1 soldiers. Battlefield V on the contrary is absolutely disrespectful in its portrayal of these very much real people that lived. The multiplayer skins especially were so bad I remember a youtuber saying he tried to make a guide on a historically accurate uniform kit but he just couldn't.
Was ridiculous arguing with those, "it's just a game it doesn't have to look right" types.
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I find it extremely ironic that in the game they took the rifles away from les Tirailleurs. This unit’s name literally means “Shooters” (from the French verb “tirer” - “to shoot”)
Or these sénégalais were so cool that they could shoot using shovels
It’s increasingly disrespectful for these games that say they’re historically accurate and then change races or genders of the men that fought the war. Too many movies and games are doing this.
History is written by the winner
What does this even mean? He's referring to the inaccuracies not the theme or the message.@@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj
@@Ananonymousguy-nk9oj which isn’t even true, because several German generals wrote autobiographies after the war and started a fuckton of myths.
History is written by those who write it down.
Knew there was gonna be someone whining about how the game was 'woke'.
@@harmlesshawk1794 In this case it's justified, because if DICE really wanted to tell stories involving women and other minorites, they had plenty of options. Instead they took existing stories and misrepresented them in a way that was downright disrespectful.
Every historical inaccurscy in battlefield 1 would be a Fine Video
This series is really great, it shows the amount of effort and research you put into each video, as well as educating us with real and accurate historical facts, some are even obscure and have never been shown before, as someone who likes historical battles and wants to know more about them, I appreciate the time and effort you put into the series and I hope you continue with more games in the future!
This was super interesting to watch, though I have some fixes on the tank sections (I love tanks)
- The Tiger in Norway in the prologue is inaccurate even if the year was right. I can't find anything showing Tigers being sent to Norway, not to mention how stupid it would be to send a tank with such a limited production to an inactive front
- Missed Neubaufahrzeug appearance opportunity.
- The lack of Panzer III's in all the North Africa sections is criminal
- The Panzer IV H's in "Under No Flag" are in grey paint when they should be in literally any form of tropical camo for German tanks (tan colors). Panzer IV H's started production after dunkelgelb was made the standard base coat as well. All of this makes them even more inaccurate
- There is no visual differences that identify the Panzer IV at 1:11:18 as an F2, as there was not much changed between it and the Ausf. G and so counting that as an inaccuracy is a little unfair.
- I think you missed that the Sdkfz. 251's in "The Last Tiger" have the older more complex rear hull shape, when by 1945 the design was simplified.
- You also missed that the catastrophic explosions that all the tanks suffer in game would be even more unlikely for the late war Shermans due to wet stowage.
- The Peter's tank in "The Last Tiger" is not a Tiger Ausf. H but is a Tiger Ausf. E
- The old style cupola continued into early E production, though by 1945 the new type cupola would have been more common (Tank Encyclopedia has an illustration of a 1945 Tiger with the late suspension and early cupola similar to what the on in game is like).
- External smoke grenade launchers were not universal and there was an internal one for later Tigers (located behind the loader's hatch).
- The in game model show the tank having the later type suspension (interleaved pattern shows the outer 4 wheels further away from the sprocket wheel) which is further proof of it being and Ausf. E Tiger. This later suspension also should have the steel rimmed wheels (model in the game looks like rubber so that is still inaccurate).
- The fact that it is a Tiger Ausf. E makes the North Africa air filters even more inaccurate than if it was a Tiger Ausf. H.
You gotta look at the multiplayer customization options sometime. Oh the embarrassing amount of time, effort, and money I spent trying to come up with cool yet believable looks for my soldier classes…
I am really thankful that you have made a video on Battlefield V, I have always wanted to see someone take a look at this, amazing video as always.
If it isn’t too much to ask, could you please take a look into battlefield 1 as well?
Man what the hell happened Battlefield 1 was a masterpiece for Historian's and gamers alike many things in BF1 are inaccuray but it was fun and unquie that isn't a enough WW1 Games and that is a shame because The Great War is important to history than the cold war or World War 2 Keep up the Good work The Frosty 1 Love Your Videos ❤🎉❤
WW1 is actually what led to WW2 and eventually the Cold War, Had the Entente didn't come up with the idea of blaming Germany things would've gone differently for better or worse
Battlefield 1 was hella inaccurate too lol. It was just far more dedicated and passion made.
Still quite the mediocre short campaigns compared to prior Battlefield ones, for which I was extremely disappointed.
As a matter of fact, gunwise, it was worse than this one.
@@Voucher765Red Alert 1 reference????
BF1 is same piece of shit from historical prospective as BFV
BF1 was pretty inaccurate too, but the stories were better on the whole, and they did a better job of at least being authentic, showing war in a more serious way than most games do.
An hour long battlefield video!? Awesome
in the London "blitz" sequence you can see a Mosquito fly over, which wasn't introduced until 3 years later
And wasn't a German aeroplane 😂
@@JohnyG29 oh god I didn’t even think of that
I really love these videos. They're such a great way to learn about the finer minutiae of history.
When i saw the same Polish pants that i am using in my military school i started laughting so loud
15:42 correction there, aside being used by JG11 for the Reich Defense identification band, the yellow band is also the identification band used on all Axis warplanes on the Eastern Front.
For the Mediterranean and North African Theater, the Bf 109 should've used the white identification band.
Im really curious about your thoughts on battlefield 1, are you doing a video on BF1 too?
One of the scriptwriters here, yes, it's on its way. But probably released after COD1 and UO videos.
@@fereise208 ah a fellow scriptwriter! Good to hear
DICE not sticking to historical accuracy is something that made me drop the game quite quickly.
Even though BF1 isn't as accurate as I remember it being, I played it a lot longer and have fond memories of it.
I seem to recall the turret flying off of an exploding tank was way more common among Soviet tanks. The Soviets liked to store the ammo under the turret, so when it cooked off the force of the explosion would send the turret flying into the air. This is still seen with Soviet and post-Soviet tanks to this day.
As someone that played BF5 almost exclusively for the multiplayer (which actually has some pretty good-looking WW2 gear, like Kradchutzen), I can say that BF5 tried harder than Vabguard.
Comparing battlefield 5 to COD Vanguard is like comparing silver to dog shit
@@BiggZillaamore like cat piss to dog shit
@@BiggZillaaI haven’t played vanguard so this is just curiosity, what 5 major things are wrong with it? Like the worst of the worst
@@jeffreyisbell7471 Everything! :D... absolutely everything. But if you want me to choose an example.. Stungrenades in the game, changed the british paratrooper story so the black guy was the real hero, he existed but wasn't the ultimate hero. Japanese soldiers with stg's, those square red dots ( i can understand the use of the 1947 nydar shotgun optic but they took vanguard to MW19 level in ww2 game) The gun modifications in general in that game, the operators in the game.. when you go to the game online it's my team vs enemy team. They avoided putting you into german side which is ridiculous because they let you be a soviet (Soviets were just as bad if not worse than nazis)
@@jeffreyisbell7471my brother in Christ. Everything that can wrong, did go wrong. The Spawn were wack, guns are super cursed, second worst COD story so far, so much Historical inaccuracies, kicked off the awful cosmetics like Attack on Titan and Anime skins, worst Zombies ever, awful sound design.
The king of historical accuracies with another historical inaccuracies video. I can't wait for when you react to BF1's Historical Inaccuracies
Funny thing is that BF1’s historical inaccuracies will probably mostly be somewhat minor, with just a few guns and a black German being the main issues, whereas in BFV it’s like every soldier is a time traveler
@@ExtantPersonbattlefield 1 is still very inaccurate but has better stories and atmosphere but thats mostly it
@@hyml_300 Nah, Battlefield 1 is more historically authentic than you guys give it credit for. The only significantly inaccurate stuff are the black German and the 3-4 prototype weapons. Other than that it sticks mostly to stuff that actually existed
@@ExtantPerson the Italian war story literally never happened and the arditi was portrayed wrongly, the american faction is incredibly butchered bc of their attire and weapon portrayal, overall all the factions lack the proper attire and heavy use of experimental armor pieces that saw little to no combat use
@@hyml_300 Duh, none of the war stories actually happened, they’re historical nonfiction. While it is true that they put too much emphasis on the armored guys, they were still real and saw action. The American faction is fine, the only odd thing there is the support’s helmet. Remember, America had to use mainly British gear in WW1 because so many people enlisted so fast. The factions are all fine, and in reality all countries experimented with or used body armor, most of all Italy and Germany, so giving them all access to the sentry kit is both sensible for gameplay balance and not too egregiously inaccurate.
21:20 - no worries, he’s just keeping his head on a swivel for those Jerries.
When I saw some of these uniforms of both German and British factions, I noticed how odd the equipment was represented. It's enough to ask us if we really have seen those outfits and uniforms before. Not to mention the odd Parabellum MP40 magazine vest for the German factions found commonly around the campaigns.
I would have loved to see DICE adding another HMS Iron Duke in the last tiger😂
I was scanning the Rhine River there praying that it wouldn't reappear lol!
Thanks for the donation!
@@TheFrosty_1 "Yep, you guessed it. Another. HMS Iron Duke. Which is still beached in Scapa flow"😂
Thanks for the well made video about my fav game👍 (hope to see new content with maybe the weapons and multiplayer of bf5😂)
13:44 Would most likely be a Mle 1886/39 or a 07-15 M34 equipped with a mle 1921 scope.
1:05:23 1907/15 M34 Berthiers were still quite common even in Colonial troops. Same for FM 24/29 (though indeed Brens were used too).
I’ve been looking forward to this video ever since I found your channel.
I had to write it, helmet is spoken "HEL-MET" not "HEM-LET", I know its nitpicking but if a channel focuses on inaccuracies, I think such detail is important.
I honestly hate the word Helmet now cus I cannot seem to say it correctly for some reason, many people have pointed this out
Also Lewes (the SAS officer) is pronounced Lewis.
1:11:10 What is baffling is that the appropriate flare pistol for this missiom was already used in BF1. They quite literally modeled an incorrect one when just ripping the old BF1 model would've been more accurate. The one time they don't reuse assets.
Heres another one for yeah for the cologne level: The American troops say "firing RPG" when they're using the panzerfaust, they also hold it and manuever with it like an RPG. The ONLY other time i've seen someone mess up a panzerfaust this bad is in the loading screen for "Beach Invasion" in Return to Castle Wolfenstein multiplayer, where an allied soldier is scene holding a panzerfaust like an RPG while taking cover near a dragons tooth anti tank obstacle.
I heard this game was INACCURATE, but, WOW, I never knew HOW INACCURATE.
Whenever frosty uploads historical inaccuracies I know today is gonna be a good day
The Last Tiger was the only reason i liked BF5, i am happy you pointed Out something Like that 1:25:09
More Games should have something Like this
your knowledge, or lack of. of German tanks is forgivable. I could find 300 inaccuracies on the Tiger model alone. Also tanks never left the factory in hull red. That's a common misconception.
There is currently a Panther at the Bovington Tank Musuem with a very visible red primer that the British captured during the war.
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@@TheFrosty_1 why do you keep deleting my comments?
@@TheFrosty_1 The specific Panther you are talking about was not captured during the war. It was completed post-war by the British for testing purposes.
I don't know how many you lads are but the amount of research you put into this is respectable. You are on the level of Read Pixels.
Battlefield V was a shitshow. And as soon as i heard one of the devs talking about the game needing to be diverse because of his fortnite playing 5 year old daughter, i knew that i had wasted money on a WWII fan-fic, not a serious game.
Nothing like being told "This is your new history and You're gonna like it"
yes, but it is just a game and i don't care about 'those' small details
"I remember my grandmother saying to me, 'I don't care what they tell you in school. Hitler was black.'" - DICE's DEI team, probably.
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SMALL details? the made up entire events that never took place. You 100% did not even watch a minute of this video, not one thing about this game was good or was dated to the right timeline. this isnt small. This was a huge cluster fuck
"Small details" . . . . Uh, more like the ENTIRE game you ham sandwich 🥴@mightyx5441
@@mightyx5441 small details?If you learn history you would know that is A HUGE COMP OF BIG MISTAKES
Wake up babe the frosty one uploaded again🥳
This is cathartic. Thank you for making this video.
So i have a friend who used to work at dice and he said the reason why single player doesn’t have vehicle and weaponry like the staghound or the Qf pounder is because the mission is created before multiplayer and they use the models they already had and dont bother to add the ones they make later like the at gunner in the last tiger u can see the hands hold it like the bazooka since they’re supposed to but due to time constraints and what my friend call house boredom they didn’t add it back
I’ve been waiting for this! And I must say…I love it, keep up the good work Lads
8 minutes in, not even done with one mission and we're already up to 30 😭
Even further diving into the Sturmgewehr rabbit hole, depending on exactly when the mission is set it could be any of the following
Mkb42H
Mp43
Mp44
Stg44
To me the funniest thing is that they managed to drop something worse than this it was so bad it actually made bf5 look way better
Amazing video! ❤
as soon as I saw the title, I knew this would be long
Finally new video🔥
All DICE had to do for the Nijmegen battle is just rip off the crossing of the Waal segment in 'A Bridge too far' but they did a whole load of bollocks instead.
The 9th SS panzer division consisted of many regular Wehrmacht conscripts. The 10th SS panzer division was almost entirely conscripts. I had no idea the Waffen-SS used conscription. How did the Wehrmacht react to that? I know there were tensions between the Wehrmacht and SS over jurisdiction and equipment. Conscripting men into the party's military rather than the country's sounds like it'd be another point of tension.
Yeah the two never got along. The Wehrmacht were historically more politically diverse compared to the SS. However last I remember the conscripts the SS used were mostly foreign Ostruppens.
@@emberfist8347 my now Passed away Great Grandfather was a Panzer Grenadier in the Wehrmacht in his Unit many dind"t wanted this War but they there afraid of the SS