….well yeah but you can get even better specs from Dell or Asus for much less money At 900 grams this thing is hardly a tablet anymore The appeal of earlier models was portability.
@Ozan Doruk I will probably get iPad Pro for tablet and Dell XPS or alike for laptop. Samsung had nice laptops this year too. Microsoft seems to have killed the Surface Pro idea it looks. From lightweight Intel machine that doubles as tablet it is now underpowered laptop that is too heavy for tablet use
@@NighthunterNyx That doesn't make sense. It clearly is not underpowered. It's way more powerful than any previous Windows tablet and more powerful than all 10th Gen and most 11th gen Intel ultrabooks on the market.
@@NighthunterNyx Yes, I'd wait and see. Personally i am also disappointed with the weight. I suspect the next iteration will be lighter (that's what happened with past Surface Pro updates).
I feel that way about my surface pro 7 plus!!! It's incredible! I'll NEVER go back to just having a laptop or desktop. The versatility is amazing, it's light weight and can be used as either a stand alone tablet or a laptop with backlit keys! Incredible! I'm partial to having both USB A and USB C ports which was in the end my deciding factor when wanting that model specifically! You also can't bet the multi day battery life. And I use mine regularly for editing videos, writing papers, researching and taking notes!
Brett, your introduction of S pro 8 is just perfect and gave me all the answers I had, since I was thinking about an upgrade. I have S pro 6. It’s the best PC I ever had and used so far. As great as the new 8 sounds and looks like, I still feel I can wait for couple of more new versions later to upgrade 😉
Great video. The returning fan for the i3 and i5 and the ability to draw higher power, coupled with the 11th gen processors, is a big deal for people with my use case (people who need some decent power when docked, but need a long-lasting tablet on the go). I doubt TB will be of any value to me but the screen and pen enhancements look promising. I'll be waiting another generation, but the future looks bright for the Surface Pro line.
Great breakdown. I was thinking about shelfing my Pro X and getting a Pro 8, but I've adapted my workflow so well for Windows on ARM, I think I'll stick with the X for now
I've upgraded from SP3 to 8 and just in that awkward time of waiting for it to arrive. The lack of SDCard was a bumma but that made me switch from 256 to 512 SSD from the getgo. I'm really looking forward to trying my hand at using the new pen. It was never thing for me because of the lag and my writing skills are as good a doctors, sometimes I can't even read my own writing. That I hope with the pen and persistence will improve back to a legible scribe. I've had a desire to try my hand at digital art so this will be the time to giving this a real shot in the arm. My Surface Pro 3 hasn't skipped a beat (went through a few keyboards), but I'm still using daily with no regrets and it was only an i5. With an i7 and 16Gb RAM in my SP8 I cannot wait to experience the difference. I was also pushed the Windows 11 Alpha on my SP3 and it's been very solid and again looking forward to Windows 11 Gold on the SP8. Now it's just got to ARRIVE (supposedly Nov 3)
I am MADLY in love with my Surface Pro 8! Thank you for the tips today. I also am a pen user!!! Was using the older one and Best Buy had a bundle savings so I bought the slim pen 2!!! You really explained to me why my battery didn't just last all day like my Ipad Pro. This is a true, beast of a computer & it needs power. I also followed along and removed the couple apps from adobe that ate battery. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Surface Pro 8 finally look like a worthy upgrade of my Surface Pro 3 🎉🎉. I have been waiting patiently for a updated design. I never found it worth upgrading since the design was merely the same. The surface pro 3 even got windows 11 and runs so smooth. So I look forward to the larger screen with faster refresh rate and usb type C ports.
"...but think about it, the SP8 is a tablet......& its a laptop that you can setup like a workstation PC." THIS.....is why I have been an MS SP customer for the last 5+ yrs.
Windows 11 is wonderful and it allows my surface to do everything I had been wishing it did. I’m glad they finally fixed the snap feature to recognize when I want to use my surface vertically. The improved fan is awesome. I can now dual screen for hours and my surface won’t get burning hot anymore
I really like the surface pro 8 design. I am still excited about my surface pro 6 and it's still doing its job, but I'll order the Surface Pro 8 as soon as it's available again in the 1TB version.
Good summary that isn't a stupid comparison with the iPad. I think I will replace my pro x with one of these. I really need to confirm the battery claims are legit. I was in a day long meeting today and wrote notes on the x and didn't worry at all about battery.
I doubt it will get half the claimed amount if you are using a pen as it will run at 120Hz knocking off considerable battery life. I am assuming it is fixed 120Hz per app rather than dynamic as per the iPad which will dial down to 10Hz if you pause writing, but that is a guess? For normal usage expect 8-10hr SoT based on my SPX data.
I agree. I have an SP7 and an iPad Pro. While the writing experience is better on the iPad, the SP7 is a true pro machine. All business. I can't even write a paper on the iPad version of Word since all my references cannot be imported. Then there's printers and scanners. And all the stuff that I can't do like emulation, installing whatever it is I want to install... It's a pretty garden for sure but the walls are stifling.
I don't think we need to worry too much about the battery life claims. Other devices with possibly worse thermal management but with the same 11th gen chipsets are already showing much improved battery life over everything in the 10th gen lineup, so I would not be surprised if the device routinely went 10+ hours with normal usage (with a claimed 16 h). The higher-wattage capability won't be an issue when you're in battery saver on the go (though it will come in handy when you're plugged in or docked). In any case, this will certainly be better than my SP7 in terms of battery life, and even though it disappoints in terms of battery life in some circumstances, I wouldn't worry too much about any all-day OneNote sessions, particularly with Wi-Fi off.
Great video and summary of the SP8. As a SP6 and 7 owner, I really wanted to pre-order the 8. Especially now, with Intel's 11th gen chips. However, I find the price hard to justify this time around with so many other premium devices around $1K USD.
I have always loved being able to switch from an English keyboard to a French keyboard. Which I feel is a unique advantage of the Surface Pro line. I have the SP3 but I am seriously thinking of finally upgrading to the SP7 now that the 8 has brought down prices. I would go SP8 but I don't wish to repurchase the keyboards at $229 CDN each (ouch).
Interesting... let's see your opinion when you'll try the new device.I still own an old Surface pro 6. I follow not sufficiently your advice about using the digital pen cause I'm basically lazy but I try to force myself! Thanks for the vids.
Been waiting for this one. Been pushing my Surface Pro 3 as far as I could. Had bought the Surface Pro 7 last year but returned it because of poor battery life. So looking forward to real world benchmarks on battery life.
It's inevitable that Surface Pro devices will keep improving: Tech Convergence and iteration/maturation on all the combined technologies will driving innovation in this form factor. Eg SP8 shows this with: Hardware (Screen), Specs (+LTE), new CPU), Design (Hinge, SPX typecover), Software (Win11), Accessories (SlimPen2) - all iterative improvements... At some point Surface Pros will be as good or better devices than having Tablet + Laptop. This is a really good upgrade by Microsoft and matches or beats other offerings. The weight is critical: Ideally weight needs to ensure it's not too top-heavy as a laptop nor too heavy as a tablet. And of course lighter the better for portability.
Love the Upgraded CPU, Slightly Larger Screen Size. Disappointed in Port Selection, not the type of Ports MS have Installed. I wish they would have Retained the USB A Port & the Micro SD Slot & Added A TB4 Port. Still trying to decide if it is worth Upgrading to Surf Pro 8 From a Surf ro 6.
Nice overview. The SPX 2019 has improved so much with updates, was ahead of its time, and had a huge influence on the current SP8. It had many of the features and form factor too. Do you think it is worth the upgrade from the SPX (2019) to the SP8?
finally time to replace my surface pro 5! and definitely need windows for my schooling. overall looking extremely attractive, just a shame there's no i3 option, unsure of how much the i5 will be used for me. Of course, i guess it just means its future-proof
If I upgrade from a Surface Pro 4 and Dock, I’ll have to have some extra connection ports. I use 4 USB-A ports now, and have two external monitors. So it looks like the Surface Pro 8, the new Dock, two HDMI adapters and a USB C to A adapter. I have never used the Pen, so there’s a keyboard that doesn’t include the new pen. The price always changes, getting cheaper by the month.
as an architect who is old school and much prefer pen on paper for sketching, I can say that digital pens whilst aren't the same, is good enough. especially now working from home so much without access to so much paper and printers. just get with the times and get used to digital pens. it won't 100% replace pen and paper and it won't be as good, but it has its place.
If only surface pro 8 has an M1 chip, but it’s probably nothing comparing to if only the iPad Pro has a customised Mac OS with desktop level apps supported. Surface pro 8 looks really promising to me as a graphic design student, not sure if I should get the i5 or the i7 though. But I’m also looking towards new MacBook and see how they perform, since I already ordered the iPad mini 6
iPads are just big iPhones that can only run 1.9 million smartphone apps. This is why their unit sales have plummet from 73 million to 40 million. SPs are real computers that run 35 million Windows applications. As for MBs, they are not computer-tablets and lack all the key features of SPs (touchscreen, pen support, face unlock, 2-in-1 design, detechable screen, upgradability, etc.). Moreover, MBs have a long history of poor quality which why there are class-action lawsuits file against MBs just about every year. For example in the past 6 years there have been lawsuit regarding keyboard, thermal throttling, green screen, connectivity, and cracked screens (2021's lawsuit). Finally, why would anyone buy 2 devices (at twice the money) when they can get 1 device....
I had no choice but upgrade to this new pro 8 since my pro 7 had an issue with the screen being burn-in, flickering. This would need to get the screen replaced but ain't nobody got time for that. :(
Just got my Surface Pro 8 (i7, 16gb ram, 256gb ssd), strangely it's heating up pretty fast without any intensive workload. Anyone having this problem? Any advise maybe. Cheers
I had the same configuration for almost two months, just exchanged mine for one with an i5, 8gb ram, and 256gb ssd. I run two external monitors and have felt no perceived difference in performance since the switch. I honestly think this one heats up far less and stays cooler longer than the previous model. I think it's performance is still limited by it's chasis, and there's not much else you can do about that outside of going the ARM route that apple took with it's devices.
I just bought my first surface device, pro 8, i7, 16GB RAM. I really like the device but found the battery life of 3-4 hours underwhelming and the device does not seam to charge with usb c what so ever in any of the thunderbolt ports, is that normal or should it be able to charge using a normal usb c? Also every now and then there is a little hitch just browsing/watching YT (like a quick black screen, less than a second, maybe two or three times after using it for only 2 days) would you say this is normal or should I send the device back and ask for a new one?
I'll start with USB-C charging. Not any old USB-C charger will do. Large devices like this typically require the PD or Power Delivery charging standard. With a PD charger you'll be good to go. Next, battery life. Check your battery pages in settings. It will tell you what is consuming your power. It's likely to be Google Chrome as it is a resource hog. For better battery life use Microsoft Edge and turn on efficiency mode at a times when on battery. Check settings in Edge. You have an i7 processor model, it will consume more power by default. But with a bit of smart management you should get a few more hours from it fairly easily. And lastly, I don't know about the glitch you're seeing. It's hard to know without seeing it. Check that your device and software are up to date. You may need to check this with your local experts. You might also find support for that by posting about it (maybe a video) in the Surface Reddit pages or Facebook groups.
@@oztabletpc Thank you for clarifying the PD charger. have been avoiding Edge like the plague, but heard it is not as bad as I though so will give this one a go! Thank you!!
Hmmm. As always great review! Due to a keyboard/ tablet "divorce" of my 5, I had to get a new Surface and bought the [base] 7, for which I personally can't see obvious differences except for....drum roll... It's says it has the capabilities for the Windows update...and for some reason I'm nervous about d/loading! Will you be doing a vid' on this? It's telling me in settings, "it's here, it's free and able to d/load! Yikes!
You are fabYOUlous! ! ! (That's very much the language of my funny greeting card characters! Can't wait to see - In my words, thank you so much for everything you share with "us!"
Does adding a egpu actually cut down on heat with a game, will just using an Ext. Monitor do this? If both it then would nbe best to do both right? I asked because my PC with reg tv was getting warm and crashing, I used a Higher Mhz and better capable PC Monitor my system runs better.
Great overview. I have a Pro 5 and I really like it as It handles most of my work really well. I'm interested in the Pro 8 but I have a question. Over the last year I've gotten more into video edited primarily on my desktop PC. How would the Pro 8 handle basic video editing? I've done some minor edits on the Pro 5 and it struggled a bit but handled very simple edits in a pinch. I use Adobe Premier Pro. I'm also looking into the Surface Laptop Studio, but I'm not keen on the form factor. Video is a minor thing for me now, well over 90% of my needs are Office type applications and other productivity tasks.
I have the same concern I believe however that the jump from a 7th gen i5 with 4gb to an 11th gen i5 with 16 gb and better graphics should show a huge difference
I took a Adobe Premiere Pro class this year, using my SP6 i5 with 8GB, and barely got through. It ran usually at high RAM % usage while also doing a screen recording\capturing for my assignment. I would go for the next step up if I were to get an nonupgradeable computer like the SP: with 16GB at least(with i5\i7) if you will consistently use Premiere Pro or use an IDE for programming.
I have a SP7 i7/16GB and I spent some time editing video last summer and it was fine. The SP8 should be a good deal better in terms of both power and heat/battery. Just be sure to get enough memory and the higher end integrated GPU.
Hi, thanks for the great review. Do you thing the surface 8 pro would handle quad monitor configuration troughs 2 x display port devices (star tech), this is order for trading station (4 monitors plus the surface)
I'm not sure as I haven't tested it. There would be a way to do it for sure, but it will require some extra hardware. I'm not familiar with the hardware you are referring to. Performance would depend on the resolution of the displays too. 4x 1080p displays would be easy. 4k... Might need an external GPU.
I dont have the keyboard connected often unless I am doing propper work with my surface pro 5. Just wondering on the surface pro 8 can you store the new pen magnetically without the keyboard like you can on the previous generation surface pros? Or does it have to be inside the keyboard insert?
Nice video. Did you call the M1 a glorified typewriter at 3:28? It sounds like you did. Is that because many key software packages are not available on an M1 Macs, and Apple fans will have to end up running Windows anyway? So they can type and run some things natively, but not a whole lot else?
Apple fans can just run older Macs with Intel silicone if the software they rely on doesn't support the M1 natively. Also there's emulation. I thought Brett was referring to the iPad as the glorified typewriter, not any Macs. In any case he's wrong - there isn't a single decent keyboard for the iPad! Eat it, Gilbertson! Come to think about it, there hasn't been a decent keyboard on a Mac for a while either ...
@@gyozakeynsianism Since that keyboard class-acton lawsuit there have been lawsuits filed against MBs over: -connectivity, -thermal throttling, -green screen, and -cracked screens (filed just last month). The US tech media never reports these class-actions lawsuits to the public which shows just how much power and control Apple enjoys in the US...
How is it with some basic gaming? I am looking on playing some old remastered classics (Red Alert) everything on the required list ticks expect the graphics card I'm not sure if they will work or not these are the graphics cards recommended for the game. Please let me know. Graphics Card (AMD): Radeon HD 7850 or equivalent Graphics Card (Nvidia): GTX 660 or equivalent
Pretty disappointing that they made it thicker and heavier. It's not like the SP was already on the heavy side as a tablet. Hopefully they manage to trim down the weight over the next few iterations, or WoA improves dramatically.
Why? It is only .22 to .24 lbs. heavier than the SP7. And about half the weight of the lightest 13-inch ultabook. If that is too much weight you have bigger health issues that need to be addressed.
@@RK-um9tu a) It's 891g compared to 1200, 1265g and 1290g for a XPS 13, SL4 13.5 and MBA so no where near half the weight of an Ultrabook considering that the SP8 doesn't come with a keyboard. B) You completely missed my point. An Ultrabook isn't used like a tablet, as a tablet 891g is very heavy. You aren't holding a laptop in your hands, you are with a tablet and the heavier it gets, the less you are able to hold it. I found that my SP5 was already pushing it when used as a tablet. Some of my friends barely use their surfaces as tablets due to that reason. I've seen reviewers say that the 12.9" iPad pro is too heavy for extended use and that's 200g lighter than a SP8 and one of those reviewers is 6'4".
Can the surface pro 8 support a triple monitor setup via a docking station? I have seen this discussed a little bit with conflicting answers. Some say yes, some say no.
Do you mean 3 extra displays, plus the Surface Display? It is possible, but it may be a bit of a workaround. I used to use 3 external monitors with my Surface Pro 3. From 2015: ruclips.net/video/iY2gfrGncQ0/видео.html So, yes, it is possible.
@@oztabletpc Thank you for your reply! Yes I want to be able to use my 3 external displays (all three are 1920x1080) plus the Surface Pro 8. Hoping to still be able to use the touchscreen functionality on the Surface Pro 8 as well. Amazing channel by the way, thank you for all of your Microsoft Surface tips and advice! I am in Australia and the specs I want for the SP8 don't come in platinum, only graphite. I prefer the platinum. Do you reckon I should wait and see if we get more stock in?
I would say no because Pro X is already a brilliant device. Only reason for SP8 is to get x86 compatibility for business critical apps. With that said, SP8 new hardware and WIn11 improvements make it an excellent new device for anyone who is purchasing these 2-in-1s for their portability, versatility, connectivity and life-style use: Work and Leisure use all in one. Personally I'd go for a SPX if they are much lower in price than the new SP8 to gain all these benefits in addition to my old laptop/desktop.
Depends what you do on it? If you can do 100% of your workflow already on a SPX I would think that even though it is slower in benchmarks, the SPX remains a solid device for those that understand it and know what they need.
It depends on what software you need, and whether the SPX does it for you. If you don't need any software that doesn't run on Windows on ARM, and also if you are satisfied with the performance of the SPX, then I don't see any reason to "upgrade" to the SP8.
Sure, the USB-C ports can be used to plug in a mouse. You'd most likely need a USB-C to USB-A adapter, or some type of USB-C mini hub. We have a video coming up in the next couple of weeks looking at some very inexpensive options for doing this with Surface - so stay tuned.
Love your channel.....mate! (do you know how strange it is for an American to call another man......mate?......lol). Thanks for making your channel a great resource for SP (Surface) users & fans. BTW.....excellent review of the history of the SP & review of the current SP8.
There have been so many articles comparing the Surface Pro (whatever iteration) to the iPad. This is not an apples to apples comparison (pardon the pun). No matter what Apple says, the iPad is not a computer replacement device and never will be - unless you only want to consume media or do light work - imo. The Surface Pro can be a full computer - in every sense of the word AND be used as a tablet. At work, I connect my Pro X to an external monitor (try doing that with an iPad and see what happens) and do all the work that is needed in an work setting. At home, I detach the keyboard and use it as a tablet. By far the best of both worlds, but not a comparison to another device that is intended for a different purpose.
@@SCSLead In additin to what you listed 1) iPads can't run full version of Microsoft Office apps 2) iPad can't run full versions of video/photo editing apps like Adobe. 3) iPads can only run 1.9 million iPhone apps (no MacOS applications). 4) SP8 runs 35 million Windows programs 5) SP8 runs well-over 1 million Windows Store apps (once Amazon and Google are intergrated). 6) iPads file management system is a joke. 7) no upgradability. Hence iPads unit sales have plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 million in 2019.
I’m new to this channel maybe you have already done this but it would be nice to see a video points out the differences in productivity over surface and a IPad. I agree the M1 is great and fast. But if you’re not doing video editing then what’s the point. What’s all the speed for. So apple users that claim they use their tablets for business when all they really do is check e-mail watch videos and listen to music. As a former Apple technician when people would tell me they use their Mac products for business and all it was reading email and occasionally typing a letter in word I would raise my eye brow and think wow really. I have now become a Surcae owner and am happy. Honestly iPads are toys for watching movie porn and shopping. It’s the truth.
I'm interested about the fanless i5 and 256 minimum storage. More I see about the surface pro 8, more I regret to not being able to find the surface pro 7+
@@Meatytheburrito don't care. I desired something fanless, it is one of the few real features of the surface pro 7 i5 and previous ones. Moreover it can't be tolerated Apple copied such feature with MacBook Air M1 from the surface and the surface themselves fell such option. Moreover if you think that compared to a surface pro 7+ you don't gain anything cause it's same processor and same GPU. If surface is not fanless simply I don't care about surface itself
My only gripe with all the Pro Surface range is that stupid charge cable its such a poor and awkward design. As far as Pro 8 it’s subjective for what you need as normal that sounds, but let’s face it if you are happy with what you already have then no need to keep upgrading. Other gripe - its not a competitor to a walled garden Cr🍏pple iPad. The iPad is a different thing altogether.
Yes, it is clear that an iPad for a pro is complimentary to a Mac, whereas the Surface Pro is a hybrid. You take your pick, a great laptop and top tablet combo or a SP8 with compromises in both form factors. I have invested time trying both and I am convinced by some margin that the combo is far more productive for my user case than a SP8 would be. Although two devices, when I am earning my living I do not care how many devices I carry, I want to have whatever it takes and convenience is not a word I use. Having over double the battery life with two devices, using the iPad as a hotspot, the unity between iPad and MacBook all make it the far superior choice for me. I understand some people need X86 for their workflow so this is just IMHO.
@@andyH_England That is a fair comment. At the end of the day what works for a person is what matters. I have an iPad Pro and Mac computers as well as Surface products and I basically make them work for me as I wish. I refuse to be held in tow by either so I just customised my own tech and net lifestyle - sounds like you have done exactly the same 👍
That's one of the reasons I want this so bad...with usb c pd I can now ditch the proprietary charge cable for a proper USB c charging solution or even better with the options for TB4 should I chose to expand..future proof is always better
@@andyH_England I understand what you are saying and I carried a Macbook Pro and iPad Pro for a number of years. But for me, only having to use one device - and a good one at that - makes a huge difference.
Coding is just fine on my SP7 i7/16GB. The keyboard is nothing special and I spend most of my time docked and use my Surface Pro like a desktop. On battery, running scripts in some software (Stata, Matlab, etc.) is taxing. I suspect the SP8 will be better in terms of both power when docked/charging and battery life when not.
The tragedy, if a bit OTT, is that the new gen littleCore BigCore Intel chips are due out soon and that would have been brilliant for a thin device like the SP8 and it is typical of MS to release a new product with a chip that will be obsolete in a short while! I could not recommend anyone to buy the SP8 on that account alone especially at the quoted retail pricing. I hope MS has a refresh in mid 2022 with the newer chips?
I was thinking the same thing. The good news for me is that the next, next gen Surface Pro will be released a little while before I'll be in the market for a new device, and it'll likely have that 12th gen chipset! That kind of no-compromises performance that you see from the M1 is perfect for the Surface Pro form factor.
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about (as usual). People keep laptops and desktops anywhere from 5 to 10 years. So I guess there is a lot of "obsolete" tech out there. Also, people are complaining about Windows 11 not running on laptops/desktops with 7th Gen Intel processors (and older). So please explain how their laptops/desktops are obsolete if they are still using them AND want to instill Windows 11 on them?
@@gyozakeynsianism What are you talking about? M1 chip is a complete joke which is why Apple's laptop and desktop market share remain at a laughable 7-8%. No one care about chip sets, people care about hardware and Apple's is stuck in the 20th century.
@@RK-um9tu Apple's expensive hardware is very popular. Chipsets aren't just specs, they give you performance, battery life and the possibility of fanless designs. The M1 is superior to other chipsets in this regard. This isn't controversial.
Shame on microsoft. MS claims aluminum is more eco friendly than magnesium which is not true and is a downgrade. MS claims the bezels are thinner, however the top and bottom bezels are the same size and the end (short) bezels only decreased from 1/2" to 3/8". The SP8 is both heaver and thicker than the SP7. They are providing no anti-reflective coating and the new pen is shaped like an ice cream stick and has some funky "feedback" (very odd - seems like all is done just to fit into the keyboard cover). I no longer trust anything microsoft says as they make poor decisions and lie to cover up their obvious shortcomings. By the way the new studio laptop is the strangest contraption and I don't anticipate it being sucessful.
Please name another computer as small, light, powerful, and versatile as the SP8? Also, you have not named any performance shortcomings, just a haphazard list of odd perferences.
@@RK-um9tu hi, yes your right as i may buy one myself. I just wish designers would put themselves in user shoes. The perfect size would be 14" with small bezels to get the short side display dimension to 7.75" which would just equal the present ipad pro. And why not just copy the ipad pro pen which is basically perfect (problem is ipad pro cant run programs). The wacom mobile studio pro is nice but too bulky and the pen in my opinion is a little on the large size (Its large matte screen is great and has quadro GPU in the tablet) The size of standard pencils used for hundreds of years is because it is the best size. I am waiting to see if the new mobile studio pro that should come out reduces in size but they too are out of touch. Looks like the best solution will probably be the sp8, however, that pen really bugs me, however, i need to try it before judging to far.
Thanks for the video. Microsoft should give you one of those devices so you can show how it works For me the 100 grams may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. My surface pro 6 is barely usable as tablet. Any heavier pits it against mighty competition in the laptop space and drops the tablet credentials. I would much rather go to iPad Pro for tablet now and Dell XPS or alike for the laptop part. Surface pro used to cover both in the past but no longer.
@@gyozakeynsianism Wrong, the SP7 has terrible battery issues that are well documented. Many people report only 4-5 hours. Both my SP7s (i5, i7) also have battery issues. Each has fluctuated from 4 hours to 8 hours depending on the Windows 10 update.
@@RK-um9tu I have an SP7 and my battery life is about what I got from my previous Surface Pro devices, 7-8 hours. It drops if I'm using things like statistical or GIS software. You need to relax.
Lighter than the original iPad?? No... The original iPad was 680gr... over 200gr lighter than this...(cellular was 730gr, we don't know how much will the cellular pro 8 weight). By the way, I am not sold on the weight, that's not a marginal increase. At virtually 900gr / 2 pounds, the pro 8 is beyond what I consider comfortable enough for tablet use (the previous pro was already at the limit of what was comfortable to use. And when you remove that you have a laptop that is not comfortable on your lap.... Sure it's a much improved device, but when you kill that tablet feature (at least for those that find it too heavy) you are probably better off with a clamshell with pen input... Also I am not confident in the non replaceable battery. My surface 3 battery swell and it killed it. The same happened to my Elite X2 (surface pro clone) but it had a replaceable battery, so I could just replace it and it's still alive. Most standard laptops still have a replaceable battery... At this point I am not considering the pro 8 anymore but I am still hopeful that they can improve the pro x while still keeping the weight in check....
Please share with us how many people work with a laptop on their lap? I have been to airports, conferences, trainings, university classroom, public and university libraries, coffee shops, coroparate settings, nonprofits, government agencies, etc. and EVERYONE works at a tablet or desk with their laptops. The only people who put a laptop or tablet on their lap are Tech RUclipss...lol
@@RK-um9tu A lot of situations, airport: no table available, waiting room of a doctor/clinic/barber shop, etc. no table, waiting room of a train station, no table, taxi/bus: no table. Basically a lot of situations where you are waiting and have no table available and can get work done (if, like me and many others, you need a keyboard to get work done). Not to mention poor tables like those of an airplane where half of the surface keyboard sticks out...
120hz display and thunderbolt with a larger display and less bezels. Finally a great upgrade! Looking forward to this iteration :)
….well yeah but you can get even better specs from Dell or Asus for much less money
At 900 grams this thing is hardly a tablet anymore
The appeal of earlier models was portability.
@Ozan Doruk I will probably get iPad Pro for tablet and Dell XPS or alike for laptop. Samsung had nice laptops this year too.
Microsoft seems to have killed the Surface Pro idea it looks. From lightweight Intel machine that doubles as tablet it is now underpowered laptop that is too heavy for tablet use
@@NighthunterNyx That doesn't make sense. It clearly is not underpowered. It's way more powerful than any previous Windows tablet and more powerful than all 10th Gen and most 11th gen Intel ultrabooks on the market.
@@gyozakeynsianism thanks. I am surely tracking reviews. There is a bit of time before it shows in local stores.
@@NighthunterNyx Yes, I'd wait and see. Personally i am also disappointed with the weight. I suspect the next iteration will be lighter (that's what happened with past Surface Pro updates).
I feel that way about my surface pro 7 plus!!! It's incredible! I'll NEVER go back to just having a laptop or desktop. The versatility is amazing, it's light weight and can be used as either a stand alone tablet or a laptop with backlit keys! Incredible! I'm partial to having both USB A and USB C ports which was in the end my deciding factor when wanting that model specifically! You also can't bet the multi day battery life. And I use mine regularly for editing videos, writing papers, researching and taking notes!
Brett, your introduction of S pro 8 is just perfect and gave me all the answers I had, since I was thinking about an upgrade.
I have S pro 6. It’s the best PC I ever had and used so far.
As great as the new 8 sounds and looks like, I still feel I can wait for couple of more new versions later to upgrade 😉
Great video. The returning fan for the i3 and i5 and the ability to draw higher power, coupled with the 11th gen processors, is a big deal for people with my use case (people who need some decent power when docked, but need a long-lasting tablet on the go). I doubt TB will be of any value to me but the screen and pen enhancements look promising. I'll be waiting another generation, but the future looks bright for the Surface Pro line.
Great breakdown. I was thinking about shelfing my Pro X and getting a Pro 8, but I've adapted my workflow so well for Windows on ARM, I think I'll stick with the X for now
The LTE capability is amazing. I wouldn't get a laptop without it.
I've upgraded from SP3 to 8 and just in that awkward time of waiting for it to arrive. The lack of SDCard was a bumma but that made me switch from 256 to 512 SSD from the getgo. I'm really looking forward to trying my hand at using the new pen. It was never thing for me because of the lag and my writing skills are as good a doctors, sometimes I can't even read my own writing. That I hope with the pen and persistence will improve back to a legible scribe. I've had a desire to try my hand at digital art so this will be the time to giving this a real shot in the arm.
My Surface Pro 3 hasn't skipped a beat (went through a few keyboards), but I'm still using daily with no regrets and it was only an i5. With an i7 and 16Gb RAM in my SP8 I cannot wait to experience the difference. I was also pushed the Windows 11 Alpha on my SP3 and it's been very solid and again looking forward to Windows 11 Gold on the SP8. Now it's just got to ARRIVE (supposedly Nov 3)
Thanks for the review - I'm considering going from SP6 to SP8, so interested in how it turned out for you! What do you think of the SP8?
I am in love with my SP8! You will love it!
I am MADLY in love with my Surface Pro 8! Thank you for the tips today. I also am a pen user!!! Was using the older one and Best Buy had a bundle savings so I bought the slim pen 2!!! You really explained to me why my battery didn't just last all day like my Ipad Pro. This is a true, beast of a computer & it needs power. I also followed along and removed the couple apps from adobe that ate battery. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Surface Pro 8 finally look like a worthy upgrade of my Surface Pro 3 🎉🎉.
I have been waiting patiently for a updated design. I never found it worth upgrading since the design was merely the same. The surface pro 3 even got windows 11 and runs so smooth. So I look forward to the larger screen with faster refresh rate and usb type C ports.
I love my 8! Do it! It is a beast!!!
"...but think about it, the SP8 is a tablet......& its a laptop that you can setup like a workstation PC." THIS.....is why I have been an MS SP customer for the last 5+ yrs.
Windows 11 is wonderful and it allows my surface to do everything I had been wishing it did. I’m glad they finally fixed the snap feature to recognize when I want to use my surface vertically.
The improved fan is awesome. I can now dual screen for hours and my surface won’t get burning hot anymore
I’ll keep waiting for the business model.. I want LTE in the i7 model.. Patience is key..
I really like the surface pro 8 design. I am still excited about my surface pro 6 and it's still doing its job, but I'll order the Surface Pro 8 as soon as it's available again in the 1TB version.
Same! My SP6 has been great. I'm excited to get the new model as well, and 32gb of ram yo boot!
Just upgrade the ssd...
Good summary that isn't a stupid comparison with the iPad. I think I will replace my pro x with one of these. I really need to confirm the battery claims are legit. I was in a day long meeting today and wrote notes on the x and didn't worry at all about battery.
I doubt it will get half the claimed amount if you are using a pen as it will run at 120Hz knocking off considerable battery life. I am assuming it is fixed 120Hz per app rather than dynamic as per the iPad which will dial down to 10Hz if you pause writing, but that is a guess? For normal usage expect 8-10hr SoT based on my SPX data.
I agree. I have an SP7 and an iPad Pro. While the writing experience is better on the iPad, the SP7 is a true pro machine. All business. I can't even write a paper on the iPad version of Word since all my references cannot be imported.
Then there's printers and scanners.
And all the stuff that I can't do like emulation, installing whatever it is I want to install... It's a pretty garden for sure but the walls are stifling.
I don't think we need to worry too much about the battery life claims. Other devices with possibly worse thermal management but with the same 11th gen chipsets are already showing much improved battery life over everything in the 10th gen lineup, so I would not be surprised if the device routinely went 10+ hours with normal usage (with a claimed 16 h). The higher-wattage capability won't be an issue when you're in battery saver on the go (though it will come in handy when you're plugged in or docked). In any case, this will certainly be better than my SP7 in terms of battery life, and even though it disappoints in terms of battery life in some circumstances, I wouldn't worry too much about any all-day OneNote sessions, particularly with Wi-Fi off.
dang bro already upgrading
Got a pro 8 i5 16gb business model with Lte. Just came from surface pro 7, love the 8 with the little updates it got it feels quite refreshed
Great video and summary of the SP8. As a SP6 and 7 owner, I really wanted to pre-order the 8. Especially now, with Intel's 11th gen chips. However, I find the price hard to justify this time around with so many other premium devices around $1K USD.
Best Buy is bundling deals like crazy today!
@@bthechange1545 Thanks! A little too late for me. I ended up getting the Dell XPS 13 with an Intel Evo for $899. Couldn't pass up that deal.
Great information, but I want more!!!
best summary on the surface pro 8 I've seen yet
I have always loved being able to switch from an English keyboard to a French keyboard. Which I feel is a unique advantage of the Surface Pro line. I have the SP3 but I am seriously thinking of finally upgrading to the SP7 now that the 8 has brought down prices. I would go SP8 but I don't wish to repurchase the keyboards at $229 CDN each (ouch).
Mine comes in today and I've never had a 2 in 1 computer. This is for my photography editing and busy mom/wife/work life.
Ok I'm going to need your shirt
Windows Hello has more love in it then my girl friend.
Thank you for explaining the USB adapter, as no other reviewers mentioned it.
Interesting... let's see your opinion when you'll try the new device.I still own an old Surface pro 6. I follow not sufficiently your advice about using the digital pen cause I'm basically lazy but I try to force myself!
Thanks for the vids.
Been waiting for this one. Been pushing my Surface Pro 3 as far as I could. Had bought the Surface Pro 7 last year but returned it because of poor battery life. So looking forward to real world benchmarks on battery life.
I definitely gonna get one as my Surface Pro 2017 really challenged to do the task needed nowadays.
Sad that they dropped the uSD card slot. I use a 1TB card inside my Pro 7 with my music, podcast and comic book collection on it.
Yeah, it is a shame. Good that you should be able to drop in an SSD upgrade though.
@@oztabletpc true althought that's a much pricier option ofc. Question is also if it can be any SSD or if it has to be specific for the device?
Looking forward to your hands on review of the SP8 and if you have a SP7 should you upgrade.
I am interested in the Pro 8 vs Surface Studio comparison. Are you planning on doing a video on that??
Do you mean the Surface Laptop Studio or the Surface Studio 2?
@@oztabletpc sorry Laptop Studio ... who names these devices so confusingly??
I'm curious,myself more information please 🙏
It's inevitable that Surface Pro devices will keep improving: Tech Convergence and iteration/maturation on all the combined technologies will driving innovation in this form factor. Eg SP8 shows this with: Hardware (Screen), Specs (+LTE), new CPU), Design (Hinge, SPX typecover), Software (Win11), Accessories (SlimPen2) - all iterative improvements...
At some point Surface Pros will be as good or better devices than having Tablet + Laptop. This is a really good upgrade by Microsoft and matches or beats other offerings.
The weight is critical: Ideally weight needs to ensure it's not too top-heavy as a laptop nor too heavy as a tablet. And of course lighter the better for portability.
Love the Upgraded CPU, Slightly Larger Screen Size. Disappointed in Port Selection, not the type of Ports MS have Installed. I wish they would have Retained the USB A Port & the Micro SD Slot & Added A TB4 Port. Still trying to decide if it is worth Upgrading to Surf Pro 8 From a Surf ro 6.
I agree with you on the ports
The new industry standard is the USB-C with Thunderbolt. I think more new devices will keep shifting to this new standard.
@@commentarytalk1446 most USB devices like flash drive and HDD are still using USB A
USBType C to A adapter is $3 - and that's Australian money! With that $3 investment all of your USB-A devices work.
Thanks
Nice overview. The SPX 2019 has improved so much with updates, was ahead of its time, and had a huge influence on the current SP8. It had many of the features and form factor too. Do you think it is worth the upgrade from the SPX (2019) to the SP8?
Not unless you really need one of the features of the Pro 8. It will be interesting to compare them.
finally time to replace my surface pro 5! and definitely need windows for my schooling. overall looking extremely attractive, just a shame there's no i3 option, unsure of how much the i5 will be used for me. Of course, i guess it just means its future-proof
There is an i3, only in the business range though. i5 will be good for many years of use though!
If I upgrade from a Surface Pro 4 and Dock, I’ll have to have some extra connection ports. I use 4 USB-A ports now, and have two external monitors. So it looks like the Surface Pro 8, the new Dock, two HDMI adapters and a USB C to A adapter. I have never used the Pen, so there’s a keyboard that doesn’t include the new pen. The price always changes, getting cheaper by the month.
Hi
I love the pen input, that's why I'm here. Pro 8 will be great.
Thanks for the video
Love end of your video btw LoL 😂
Great Info 👍
Gutted there is no fanless option available. Was going to upgrade from a Surface Pro 5 i5 but wont for this reason.
I suspect that the fan will only come on when needed. In other words for everything that you currently do, it won't even be on.
No fan makes world of difference imho. SPX is fanless with it's ARM-based processor so it's an option if Win-ARM is ok for you.
I think fans are still necessary for Intel chips. Saying this as a person who's had fanless Intel!
Great Video. Where can I find more videos on note taking using Surface pro 8?
Great walk thru. What options do I have for internet access on the go. For this device?
The Pro 8 is available with 4G/LTE on board - with both physical and e-SIM inbuilt.
Not upgrading from my 7+ without a fan. Dont need the extra performance
Cool
I would really like to buy it. However, I need to know whether the new 120Hz screen employs PWM in the backlight.
as an architect who is old school and much prefer pen on paper for sketching, I can say that digital pens whilst aren't the same, is good enough. especially now working from home so much without access to so much paper and printers. just get with the times and get used to digital pens. it won't 100% replace pen and paper and it won't be as good, but it has its place.
If only surface pro 8 has an M1 chip, but it’s probably nothing comparing to if only the iPad Pro has a customised Mac OS with desktop level apps supported. Surface pro 8 looks really promising to me as a graphic design student, not sure if I should get the i5 or the i7 though. But I’m also looking towards new MacBook and see how they perform, since I already ordered the iPad mini 6
iPads are just big iPhones that can only run 1.9 million smartphone apps. This is why their unit sales have plummet from 73 million to 40 million. SPs are real computers that run 35 million Windows applications. As for MBs, they are not computer-tablets and lack all the key features of SPs (touchscreen, pen support, face unlock, 2-in-1 design, detechable screen, upgradability, etc.).
Moreover, MBs have a long history of poor quality which why there are class-action lawsuits file against MBs just about every year. For example in the past 6 years there have been lawsuit regarding keyboard, thermal throttling, green screen, connectivity, and cracked screens (2021's lawsuit).
Finally, why would anyone buy 2 devices (at twice the money) when they can get 1 device....
Do you recommend to use a Tempered Glass Screen Protector protector for surface pro 8?
I had no choice but upgrade to this new pro 8 since my pro 7 had an issue with the screen being burn-in, flickering. This would need to get the screen replaced but ain't nobody got time for that. :(
I wish this came out in 2019. I got the sp7. Battery life is not all day.
Brett - thanks for a great video!
Just got my Surface Pro 8 (i7, 16gb ram, 256gb ssd), strangely it's heating up pretty fast without any intensive workload. Anyone having this problem? Any advise maybe. Cheers
I had the same configuration for almost two months, just exchanged mine for one with an i5, 8gb ram, and 256gb ssd. I run two external monitors and have felt no perceived difference in performance since the switch. I honestly think this one heats up far less and stays cooler longer than the previous model. I think it's performance is still limited by it's chasis, and there's not much else you can do about that outside of going the ARM route that apple took with it's devices.
When you're setting it up it will get warm. Windows updates, plus installing a bunch of apps. It will settle down in use.
Thanks man
I just bought my first surface device, pro 8, i7, 16GB RAM. I really like the device but found the battery life of 3-4 hours underwhelming and the device does not seam to charge with usb c what so ever in any of the thunderbolt ports, is that normal or should it be able to charge using a normal usb c?
Also every now and then there is a little hitch just browsing/watching YT (like a quick black screen, less than a second, maybe two or three times after using it for only 2 days) would you say this is normal or should I send the device back and ask for a new one?
I'll start with USB-C charging. Not any old USB-C charger will do. Large devices like this typically require the PD or Power Delivery charging standard. With a PD charger you'll be good to go.
Next, battery life. Check your battery pages in settings. It will tell you what is consuming your power. It's likely to be Google Chrome as it is a resource hog. For better battery life use Microsoft Edge and turn on efficiency mode at a times when on battery. Check settings in Edge. You have an i7 processor model, it will consume more power by default. But with a bit of smart management you should get a few more hours from it fairly easily.
And lastly, I don't know about the glitch you're seeing. It's hard to know without seeing it. Check that your device and software are up to date. You may need to check this with your local experts. You might also find support for that by posting about it (maybe a video) in the Surface Reddit pages or Facebook groups.
@@oztabletpc Thank you for clarifying the PD charger.
have been avoiding Edge like the plague, but heard it is not as bad as I though so will give this one a go! Thank you!!
Hmmm. As always great review! Due to a keyboard/ tablet "divorce" of my 5, I had to get a new Surface and bought the [base] 7, for which I personally can't see obvious differences except for....drum roll... It's says it has the capabilities for the Windows update...and for some reason I'm nervous about d/loading! Will you be doing a vid' on this? It's telling me in settings, "it's here, it's free and able to d/load! Yikes!
Yes, filming a series on Windows 11 at the moment. Should start coming through in a week or so.
You are fabYOUlous! ! ! (That's very much the language of my funny greeting card characters! Can't wait to see - In my words, thank you so much for everything you share with "us!"
Does adding a egpu actually cut down on heat with a game, will just using an Ext. Monitor do this? If both it then would nbe best to do both right? I asked because my PC with reg tv was getting warm and crashing, I used a Higher Mhz and better capable PC Monitor my system runs better.
Literally just got a Pro 7 3 weeks ago....
damn it now I'm figureing it how to get this one.
Great overview. I have a Pro 5 and I really like it as It handles most of my work really well. I'm interested in the Pro 8 but I have a question. Over the last year I've gotten more into video edited primarily on my desktop PC. How would the Pro 8 handle basic video editing? I've done some minor edits on the Pro 5 and it struggled a bit but handled very simple edits in a pinch. I use Adobe Premier Pro. I'm also looking into the Surface Laptop Studio, but I'm not keen on the form factor. Video is a minor thing for me now, well over 90% of my needs are Office type applications and other productivity tasks.
I have the same concern I believe however that the jump from a 7th gen i5 with 4gb to an 11th gen i5 with 16 gb and better graphics should show a huge difference
I took a Adobe Premiere Pro class this year, using my SP6 i5 with 8GB, and barely got through. It ran usually at high RAM % usage while also doing a screen recording\capturing for my assignment. I would go for the next step up if I were to get an nonupgradeable computer like the SP: with 16GB at least(with i5\i7) if you will consistently use Premiere Pro or use an IDE for programming.
I have a SP7 i7/16GB and I spent some time editing video last summer and it was fine. The SP8 should be a good deal better in terms of both power and heat/battery. Just be sure to get enough memory and the higher end integrated GPU.
Does it has a fan inside?
Can't wait for my egpu surface pro (;
Is the keyboard backlit?
External GPU support! Please confirm this! Wooohooo!
It has thunderbolt so it supports an egpu now
@@lousassole3145 not necessarily... There have been laptops with TB ports that do not support an external GPU.
TB4 and TB3 support eGPU, plus it was specifically mentioned at the launch.
Would you rather have the pro 8 or the new surface laptop studio?
Pro 8 for me. Far more versatile.
Surface Pro 8!
Why can't I pre order LTE version?
do they solve overheat issues and flicker screen in surface 8 ?
Does Surface Pro 8 have Battery Limit feature?
God it looks so nice. I have the pro 7 but shouldn't upgrade since im just a casual user lol.
Hi, thanks for the great review. Do you thing the surface 8 pro would handle quad monitor configuration troughs 2 x display port devices (star tech), this is order for trading station (4 monitors plus the surface)
I'm not sure as I haven't tested it. There would be a way to do it for sure, but it will require some extra hardware. I'm not familiar with the hardware you are referring to. Performance would depend on the resolution of the displays too. 4x 1080p displays would be easy. 4k... Might need an external GPU.
Can you use meta human creator on this Pro 8?
Can't you just change the pen recognition sensitivity settings?!?!?
Are you guys getting the surface duo 2 in Oz then? Apparently NZ won't be, which is a shame. Nor are we getting the surface pro x.
Yes, we are, commercial only. I'd heard it's not going to NZ yet, but I do wonder if it will in time. I guess it will depend how well it does in Oz.
I dont have the keyboard connected often unless I am doing propper work with my surface pro 5. Just wondering on the surface pro 8 can you store the new pen magnetically without the keyboard like you can on the previous generation surface pros? Or does it have to be inside the keyboard insert?
On the Surface Pro X you can attach the pen to the side. I'd assume it will be the same on the Pro 8, but haven't been able to touch one yet...
Nice video. Did you call the M1 a glorified typewriter at 3:28? It sounds like you did. Is that because many key software packages are not available on an M1 Macs, and Apple fans will have to end up running Windows anyway? So they can type and run some things natively, but not a whole lot else?
Yes, no touch, no pen = old technology - no matter what benchmarks they spit out.
Apple fans can just run older Macs with Intel silicone if the software they rely on doesn't support the M1 natively. Also there's emulation.
I thought Brett was referring to the iPad as the glorified typewriter, not any Macs. In any case he's wrong - there isn't a single decent keyboard for the iPad! Eat it, Gilbertson! Come to think about it, there hasn't been a decent keyboard on a Mac for a while either ...
Haha! 😂
@@gyozakeynsianism Since that keyboard class-acton lawsuit there have been lawsuits filed against MBs over:
-connectivity,
-thermal throttling,
-green screen, and
-cracked screens (filed just last month).
The US tech media never reports these class-actions lawsuits to the public which shows just how much power and control Apple enjoys in the US...
@@RK-um9tu Easy with the conspiracy theories. And it's not like Surface hasn't had quality issues.
What do you recommend for work , this tab or Samsung s8 tab or ipad 12.9?
Pro 8.
Is autocad 2021 full version compatible in this?
Can you use you surface as a writing pad whilst using the single or dual screen setup?
Yes
@@oztabletpc awesome
How is it with some basic gaming?
I am looking on playing some old remastered classics (Red Alert) everything on the required list ticks expect the graphics card I'm not sure if they will work or not these are the graphics cards recommended for the game. Please let me know.
Graphics Card (AMD): Radeon HD 7850 or equivalent
Graphics Card (Nvidia): GTX 660 or equivalent
Red Alert should be a no brainier even with the Intel Xe graphics. I played C&C Generals on the Pro 5 from memory and it did fine.
@@oztabletpc Thank you very much for your quick response that's what I'm looking for basic gaming
Old school RTS 😎
Pretty disappointing that they made it thicker and heavier. It's not like the SP was already on the heavy side as a tablet.
Hopefully they manage to trim down the weight over the next few iterations, or WoA improves dramatically.
Why? It is only .22 to .24 lbs. heavier than the SP7. And about half the weight of the lightest 13-inch ultabook. If that is too much weight you have bigger health issues that need to be addressed.
@@RK-um9tu a) It's 891g compared to 1200, 1265g and 1290g for a XPS 13, SL4 13.5 and MBA so no where near half the weight of an Ultrabook considering that the SP8 doesn't come with a keyboard.
B) You completely missed my point. An Ultrabook isn't used like a tablet, as a tablet 891g is very heavy. You aren't holding a laptop in your hands, you are with a tablet and the heavier it gets, the less you are able to hold it.
I found that my SP5 was already pushing it when used as a tablet. Some of my friends barely use their surfaces as tablets due to that reason. I've seen reviewers say that the 12.9" iPad pro is too heavy for extended use and that's 200g lighter than a SP8 and one of those reviewers is 6'4".
Very informative vdo. Thank u.
Is Surface pro 8 x32 or x64 ?
Pro 8 is an Intel device - x86 and x64 apps all run on Intel processors.
@@oztabletpc Thank you for the information.
Can the surface pro 8 support a triple monitor setup via a docking station?
I have seen this discussed a little bit with conflicting answers. Some say yes, some say no.
Do you mean 3 extra displays, plus the Surface Display? It is possible, but it may be a bit of a workaround. I used to use 3 external monitors with my Surface Pro 3. From 2015: ruclips.net/video/iY2gfrGncQ0/видео.html
So, yes, it is possible.
@@oztabletpc Thank you for your reply! Yes I want to be able to use my 3 external displays (all three are 1920x1080) plus the Surface Pro 8. Hoping to still be able to use the touchscreen functionality on the Surface Pro 8 as well.
Amazing channel by the way, thank you for all of your Microsoft Surface tips and advice!
I am in Australia and the specs I want for the SP8 don't come in platinum, only graphite. I prefer the platinum. Do you reckon I should wait and see if we get more stock in?
HP Spectre x360 13-aw2054na 4K OLED Convertible Laptop has a 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) compared to Surface Pro 8 (2880 x 1920).
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Is the Pro 8 worth upgrading from a Pro X?
I would say no because Pro X is already a brilliant device.
Only reason for SP8 is to get x86 compatibility for business critical apps.
With that said, SP8 new hardware and WIn11 improvements make it an excellent new device for anyone who is purchasing these 2-in-1s for their portability, versatility, connectivity and life-style use: Work and Leisure use all in one.
Personally I'd go for a SPX if they are much lower in price than the new SP8 to gain all these benefits in addition to my old laptop/desktop.
Pro X is a different beast, if you are using a Pro X then you likely do not need a Pro 8 or vice versa unless you made an error in choice!
@@commentarytalk1446 I agree.
Depends what you do on it? If you can do 100% of your workflow already on a SPX I would think that even though it is slower in benchmarks, the SPX remains a solid device for those that understand it and know what they need.
It depends on what software you need, and whether the SPX does it for you. If you don't need any software that doesn't run on Windows on ARM, and also if you are satisfied with the performance of the SPX, then I don't see any reason to "upgrade" to the SP8.
please tell me if the pro 8 will support SIM cards? so that I can use mobile internet
Yes, there are 4G LTE models across the range now.
Would you buy a surface pro 8 if you have the surface pro X SQ2?
Once I get one I will. It could be a while though...
Is there a USB mouse port? Or way to connect one
Sure, the USB-C ports can be used to plug in a mouse. You'd most likely need a USB-C to USB-A adapter, or some type of USB-C mini hub. We have a video coming up in the next couple of weeks looking at some very inexpensive options for doing this with Surface - so stay tuned.
@@oztabletpc Ok, TYSM for replying!
Love your channel.....mate! (do you know how strange it is for an American to call another man......mate?......lol). Thanks for making your channel a great resource for SP (Surface) users & fans. BTW.....excellent review of the history of the SP & review of the current SP8.
Any lagging problem with this surface pro 8?
It is 2021, not 2010; no computer lags anymore.
Which is better iPad pro or surface pro 8
There have been so many articles comparing the Surface Pro (whatever iteration) to the iPad. This is not an apples to apples comparison (pardon the pun). No matter what Apple says, the iPad is not a computer replacement device and never will be - unless you only want to consume media or do light work - imo. The Surface Pro can be a full computer - in every sense of the word AND be used as a tablet. At work, I connect my Pro X to an external monitor (try doing that with an iPad and see what happens) and do all the work that is needed in an work setting. At home, I detach the keyboard and use it as a tablet. By far the best of both worlds, but not a comparison to another device that is intended for a different purpose.
@@SCSLead In additin to what you listed
1) iPads can't run full version of Microsoft Office apps
2) iPad can't run full versions of video/photo editing apps like Adobe.
3) iPads can only run 1.9 million iPhone apps (no MacOS applications).
4) SP8 runs 35 million Windows programs
5) SP8 runs well-over 1 million Windows Store apps (once Amazon and Google are intergrated).
6) iPads file management system is a joke.
7) no upgradability.
Hence iPads unit sales have plummeted from 73 million in 2013 to 40 million in 2019.
I’m new to this channel maybe you have already done this but it would be nice to see a video points out the differences in productivity over surface and a IPad. I agree the M1 is great and fast. But if you’re not doing video editing then what’s the point. What’s all the speed for. So apple users that claim they use their tablets for business when all they really do is check e-mail watch videos and listen to music. As a former Apple technician when people would tell me they use their Mac products for business and all it was reading email and occasionally typing a letter in word I would raise my eye brow and think wow really. I have now become a Surcae owner and am happy. Honestly iPads are toys for watching movie porn and shopping. It’s the truth.
Does anyone know if the old type cover works with the new Pro 8 at all
No, it's a new type cover, same as the Surface Pro X.
The pen seems like it would be pretty good for note taking
But do you think the surface pro 8 would be good for digital art?
Zero activation force, no slow diagonal wobble, lower latency - suggests to me that it would be good for digital art.
I'm interested about the fanless i5 and 256 minimum storage. More I see about the surface pro 8, more I regret to not being able to find the surface pro 7+
Hopefully the fan usage is pretty minimal on the Surface Pro 8 if the 7 didn't even need it for the i5 model
@@Meatytheburrito don't care. I desired something fanless, it is one of the few real features of the surface pro 7 i5 and previous ones. Moreover it can't be tolerated Apple copied such feature with MacBook Air M1 from the surface and the surface themselves fell such option.
Moreover if you think that compared to a surface pro 7+ you don't gain anything cause it's same processor and same GPU.
If surface is not fanless simply I don't care about surface itself
@@lucabastianello9830Ok you don't care, we got it...
Few minor refinements , I’ll stick with my surface pro 6
It’s good they don’t alter a winning formula much though so I’m not criticising
I find it annoying that the i3 models of go 3 are commercial only 😡🤬 but also cant wait for the new pro 8 😁😆
My only gripe with all the Pro Surface range is that stupid charge cable its such a poor and awkward design. As far as Pro 8 it’s subjective for what you need as normal that sounds, but let’s face it if you are happy with what you already have then no need to keep upgrading. Other gripe - its not a competitor to a walled garden Cr🍏pple iPad. The iPad is a different thing altogether.
Yes, it is clear that an iPad for a pro is complimentary to a Mac, whereas the Surface Pro is a hybrid. You take your pick, a great laptop and top tablet combo or a SP8 with compromises in both form factors. I have invested time trying both and I am convinced by some margin that the combo is far more productive for my user case than a SP8 would be. Although two devices, when I am earning my living I do not care how many devices I carry, I want to have whatever it takes and convenience is not a word I use. Having over double the battery life with two devices, using the iPad as a hotspot, the unity between iPad and MacBook all make it the far superior choice for me. I understand some people need X86 for their workflow so this is just IMHO.
@@andyH_England That is a fair comment. At the end of the day what works for a person is what matters. I have an iPad Pro and Mac computers as well as Surface products and I basically make them work for me as I wish. I refuse to be held in tow by either so I just customised my own tech and net lifestyle - sounds like you have done exactly the same 👍
That's one of the reasons I want this so bad...with usb c pd I can now ditch the proprietary charge cable for a proper USB c charging solution or even better with the options for TB4 should I chose to expand..future proof is always better
@@andyH_England I understand what you are saying and I carried a Macbook Pro and iPad Pro for a number of years. But for me, only having to use one device - and a good one at that - makes a huge difference.
Could you use the Surface Pro 8 to edit videos?
Absolutely.
@@oztabletpc thanks for the reply. I thought so but was a little hesitant.
@@finguy8572 for relatively straight forward videos Adobe Rush would give the best experience.
The only thing i hate about Slim pen 2 is that you can replace pen tip. I hope i can can make copies of the pen tip🤣🤣
Anyone programming (Python) on one of these / Surface Pro 7 .. I know I'd be better off with a regular laptop but what's your experience?
Coding is just fine on my SP7 i7/16GB. The keyboard is nothing special and I spend most of my time docked and use my Surface Pro like a desktop. On battery, running scripts in some software (Stata, Matlab, etc.) is taxing.
I suspect the SP8 will be better in terms of both power when docked/charging and battery life when not.
@@gyozakeynsianism thanks for that feedback :)
@@rossgeography Sure! Get a tablet if you're going to use it like one (e.g., you take lots of notes). If not, you likely have better options.
The tragedy, if a bit OTT, is that the new gen littleCore BigCore Intel chips are due out soon and that would have been brilliant for a thin device like the SP8 and it is typical of MS to release a new product with a chip that will be obsolete in a short while! I could not recommend anyone to buy the SP8 on that account alone especially at the quoted retail pricing. I hope MS has a refresh in mid 2022 with the newer chips?
I was thinking the same thing. The good news for me is that the next, next gen Surface Pro will be released a little while before I'll be in the market for a new device, and it'll likely have that 12th gen chipset! That kind of no-compromises performance that you see from the M1 is perfect for the Surface Pro form factor.
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about (as usual). People keep laptops and desktops anywhere from 5 to 10 years. So I guess there is a lot of "obsolete" tech out there. Also, people are complaining about Windows 11 not running on laptops/desktops with 7th Gen Intel processors (and older). So please explain how their laptops/desktops are obsolete if they are still using them AND want to instill Windows 11 on them?
@@gyozakeynsianism What are you talking about? M1 chip is a complete joke which is why Apple's laptop and desktop market share remain at a laughable 7-8%. No one care about chip sets, people care about hardware and Apple's is stuck in the 20th century.
@@RK-um9tu Apple's expensive hardware is very popular. Chipsets aren't just specs, they give you performance, battery life and the possibility of fanless designs. The M1 is superior to other chipsets in this regard. This isn't controversial.
Shame on microsoft. MS claims aluminum is more eco friendly than magnesium which is not true and is a downgrade. MS claims the bezels are thinner, however the top and bottom bezels are the same size and the end (short) bezels only decreased from 1/2" to 3/8". The SP8 is both heaver and thicker than the SP7. They are providing no anti-reflective coating and the new pen is shaped like an ice cream stick and has some funky "feedback" (very odd - seems like all is done just to fit into the keyboard cover). I no longer trust anything microsoft says as they make poor decisions and lie to cover up their obvious shortcomings. By the way the new studio laptop is the strangest contraption and I don't anticipate it being sucessful.
Please name another computer as small, light, powerful, and versatile as the SP8?
Also, you have not named any performance shortcomings, just a haphazard list of odd perferences.
@@RK-um9tu hi, yes your right as i may buy one myself. I just wish designers would put themselves in user shoes. The perfect size would be 14" with small bezels to get the short side display dimension to 7.75" which would just equal the present ipad pro. And why not just copy the ipad pro pen which is basically perfect (problem is ipad pro cant run programs). The wacom mobile studio pro is nice but too bulky and the pen in my opinion is a little on the large size (Its large matte screen is great and has quadro GPU in the tablet) The size of standard pencils used for hundreds of years is because it is the best size. I am waiting to see if the new mobile studio pro that should come out reduces in size but they too are out of touch. Looks like the best solution will probably be the sp8, however, that pen really bugs me, however, i need to try it before judging to far.
and will add a paper like screen protector if i can find a good one
Thanks for the video. Microsoft should give you one of those devices so you can show how it works
For me the 100 grams may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. My surface pro 6 is barely usable as tablet. Any heavier pits it against mighty competition in the laptop space and drops the tablet credentials. I would much rather go to iPad Pro for tablet now and Dell XPS or alike for the laptop part. Surface pro used to cover both in the past but no longer.
I am also disappointed with the weight of the SP8. SP7 is a good balance of weight and performance.
Maybe you should goto the gym if you are having trouble holding a 1.9 lbs. tablet. Geez...
@@gyozakeynsianism Wrong, the SP7 has terrible battery issues that are well documented. Many people report only 4-5 hours. Both my SP7s (i5, i7) also have battery issues. Each has fluctuated from 4 hours to 8 hours depending on the Windows 10 update.
@@RK-um9tu I have an SP7 and my battery life is about what I got from my previous Surface Pro devices, 7-8 hours. It drops if I'm using things like statistical or GIS software.
You need to relax.
@@RK-um9tu let's say majority of us will prefer to buy 450 gram iPad instead.
I'm trying to make a decision on a new laptop my 10 year old dinosaur must be put down for humanitarian reasons.
Lighter than the original iPad?? No... The original iPad was 680gr... over 200gr lighter than this...(cellular was 730gr, we don't know how much will the cellular pro 8 weight). By the way, I am not sold on the weight, that's not a marginal increase.
At virtually 900gr / 2 pounds, the pro 8 is beyond what I consider comfortable enough for tablet use (the previous pro was already at the limit of what was comfortable to use. And when you remove that you have a laptop that is not comfortable on your lap....
Sure it's a much improved device, but when you kill that tablet feature (at least for those that find it too heavy) you are probably better off with a clamshell with pen input... Also I am not confident in the non replaceable battery. My surface 3 battery swell and it killed it. The same happened to my Elite X2 (surface pro clone) but it had a replaceable battery, so I could just replace it and it's still alive. Most standard laptops still have a replaceable battery...
At this point I am not considering the pro 8 anymore but I am still hopeful that they can improve the pro x while still keeping the weight in check....
Well, I got that wrong! I should know better, I have a day 1 iPad right here on my shelf!
@@oztabletpc no worries, that can happen 😉
Please share with us how many people work with a laptop on their lap? I have been to airports, conferences, trainings, university classroom, public and university libraries, coffee shops, coroparate settings, nonprofits, government agencies, etc. and EVERYONE works at a tablet or desk with their laptops. The only people who put a laptop or tablet on their lap are Tech RUclipss...lol
@@RK-um9tu A lot of situations, airport: no table available, waiting room of a doctor/clinic/barber shop, etc. no table, waiting room of a train station, no table, taxi/bus: no table. Basically a lot of situations where you are waiting and have no table available and can get work done (if, like me and many others, you need a keyboard to get work done). Not to mention poor tables like those of an airplane where half of the surface keyboard sticks out...