How does the chip compare to a Macbook Pro in terms of capabilities/efficiency? To me it seems more like this would be a MBA/iPad Pro combo competitor but I'm curious if you think it competes with the MBP too Great video btw, and it's always great to see more competition to come out from the Windows side of things!
If you are concerned about any compatibility, go with the Surface Pro 9. It uses Intel and will literally run every single program that you can think of. For the new Surface Pro 11, you will have to wait a couple months before existing programs are compiled and optimized to run on ARM and some firmware updates to have everything up to par. Remember, at the end of the day if you want to run everything from all games to hardcore work nothing will beat Intel or AMD.
I like how your review is more grounded in everyday applications, rather than just analyzing benchmarks and making presumptuous proclamations based off various tables. Most of us care more about how the device performs for each of our own intended uses for it, and you did a great job over-viewing how it can accomplish that on a real-world basis. If it can handle intensive painting apps with only mild heating, I'm sure it can handle by ancient scribbles for a 2-hr chemistry lecture. I'm using a base model surface 7, and simply leaving OneNote open with sheet music displayed is enough to drain the battery by an alarming amount. I by no means (as a struggling student in debt) can afford the new surface, but I would absolutely upgrade to it thanks to the info from your review. Subbed.
When have they abandoned any earlier attempts at Windows on ARM? The first one, Surface RT continued to get updates for years. The Surface Pro X and similar era devices from other manufacturers all got updated to Windows 11 and will be getting the 24H2 update with the new Prism x86 translator. As an owner of an X Elite laptop, honestly, this time they've cracked it, it's awesome.
@@davidneale530 while it’s indeed true that they did not completely abandon it, it still took them until year 12 to do what their main competitor did in their year 1. I owned the OG Surface RT back in the day and it was super frustrating to see MS drop the ball again and again and again but its great to finally see them break through and I hope they continue to keep the momentum.
@@arondyte318 because Apple waited much longer to have competitive chips and could afford moving everything to ARM, as well as dropping 32bits apps, which MS cannot do. Also MS had to rely on external partener, while Apple made their own chips and they are the best at it
Your videos have such a nice quality, not only the colours, lighting etc., but also the storytelling and way of approaching things. It is so refreshing and the reason I subscribed a while ago. The "Why not?" just doesn't get old. Your videos helped me a lot back when I got my first Mac. Thanks a lot! But about the topic: I switched to Apple devices a few years ago and I think a device like this new Surface would probably be what I would get if I wanted to get something with Windows on it.
Hey, thanks a lot for the nice words! If you're deep into Apple products, the Surface might not be the best fit, but it's still cool to see some good competition out there.
Schoolboy error, the iPad is a tablet not a laptop, so they are not comparable. Anyway, Windows tablets are poor and sales are in decline, 2-3 years the Surface Pro sales have dropped and they have
Yes…finally looks like a good option to replace the iPad Pro M1 + Magic Keyboard + Apple Pencil that I sold months ago that was just so tedious to get anything done on (office/productivity-wise). But now to decide between the OLED version or LCD. Leaning more toward the cheaper LCD with X Plus chip after seeing comparison videos where people are not overwhelmingly preferring the OLED? Added to that is that the X Plus chip isn’t noticeably slower than the X Elite (from what people and benchmarks are saying). And that will also save me hundreds that I can put into keyboard and pen. Which btw, agree on the somewhat cheaper feel of the Surface pen compared to Apple Pencil…but the Surface pen is just so much easier to use. Never liked the tapping to switch tools on Apple Pencil and never seemed to work as it should, but pressing a physical button or flipping around to erase just works.
My previous Surface 9 was LCD and it was still a very impressive device when it comes to the picture quality. I’m still trying to get my hands on the Flex keyboard which honestly shouldn’t be so expensive
I had the Surface Pro 2 and was very impressed with the build quality. The SPs led the market with the kickstand design (including the Combo Touch I use with my iPad Air 5).
16:55 open the notification area, bottom right corner and you have an option to switch to touch controls which does rearrange the layout to be more touch (tablet) friendly. Surprised it doesn't come by default or nothing prompts you to try/enable it Or search in settings for "Optimize taskbar for touch when device is used as tablet" (MS and its love for long sentences 🤦♂) Cheers
This was very helpful, thank you so much for the in depth review. I've been thinking about upgrading my old surface pro and I am excited about all the new features, esp. battery life. Now I can take it to jobsites, mark-up drawings, show presentations on the go, take pictures and draw directly on them for interior design purposes.
I’m loving mine. Got the surface pro 11 plus and the battery is amazing. Had an iPad Pro M4 for like 2 weeks then I returned it because is no significantly better than my iPad 10. Is incredible this computer does things iPads and MacBooks can’t even do and is not enough for people.
There are likely may apps that do not work on the X Elite and I saw a tweet that most college software is not compatible with WOA, so you are likely to have many issues.
@@andyH_England really? Which apps most have issues on elite surface pro? I want to buy surface pro but i don't know still pro 9 is it worth or elite is better. I heard that elite have more battery life and apps work on it. You mean elite will have lag or issues on chrome and powerpoint and pdf annotating with it's pen? And is it worth 32 gb ram to buy on pro 9 or new pro elite or 16 gb is enough?
Thanks for this video, exactly what I was looking for as I am torn between buying an iPad Pro M4 or the Surface Pro 11. I read on some Reddit forums and reviews that the OLED display on the Surface Pro 11 has some fringing/raster effect where the text doesn't look sharp especially on white backgrounds. Did you see such an effect on your Surface Pro 11? And how would you rate the colour accuracy on the Surface Pro 11 compared to the iPad Pro M4? And one last question on top 😀 Does the Surface Pro 11 have a 10-bit display panel?
The text is very clear to me, but the white and light grey backgrounds at higher brightness levels definitely look dithered. Rather than a GPU issue, I understand this as the screen door effect from the pen/touch sensors being somewhat visible. It isn’t in a square pattern, however. But it’s very noticeable if reading black text on a light background in a brighter environment. The oled screen is otherwise great for media consumption. I couldn’t notice this on the iPad oled screen.
@@Kinetic79 Thanks a lot for this. I know that this colour fringing/rastering effect will definitely bother me. And thanks for also sharing that the iPad Pro OLED screen doesn't have that issue. Appreciate it.
@@rramnel I feel like your use case is more important to consider than screen quality…but then again, if the Surface Pro or iPad is a secondary device to a proper PC or Mac then maybe it doesn’t matter as much. If you are a content creator or some other artfully inclined person, maybe iPad makes sense. But if you need to be able to easily manage files (drag and drop between apps and windows) and other office type tasks, the Surface, I think, is the better choice. I had both a Surface Pro X and an iPad Pro M1 and sold them both - neither were the experience I was looking for. But now that these new Snapdragon chips have arrived, I’ll be buying a Surface Pro again and skipping iPad until iPad OS improves immensely.
Enjoyable as always. Thank you. I picked up the base model with the X Plus and very happy (like you I had the pro 9 before) and I also have left the charger in the box topping up the battery passively through monitors / docks. Reusing an old surface pro keyboard also saved money 👍🏾
@@ThisIsE it’s really good (performance - thank you). Whilst I’m sure my workload is not as demanding as yours - it chews up through my hundreds of thousands of data rows in excel like a champ and handles all my data software well (Power BI). That’s pretty much the limit of my powers. But it does it faster than what I’ve used before and battery is great. I have seen some computers still slowdown over near million row spreadsheets / it can happen 😄. No regrets at all. Will upgrade the hard drive myself.
I got one .. oh boy ! This is best device ever for me right now Better than my iPad Pro M2 Simply running UE5.4.2 in 60 fps (viewport optimization) Any (almost) prototype game i already can create I have nothing to say about it ) It's magestic ❤
bro what, this device runs UE5😲? I thought theres no way Epic support windows arm on windows, did you compile your engine on your own? if you did how much time did you spent to compile this moster? I'm now very intriged
Retro game emulators work well on Windows 11 arm. There are several emulators that have Windows arm64 binaries such as, Dolphin - GC / Wii, Duckstation - PS1, athersx2 - PS2, PPSSPP - psp and Dosbox-X. Emulators such as ScummVM, RMG - N64 and mGBA also run well via x86 / 64 emulation. I run these of a Windows Dev Kit 2023 with SQ3 / Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 which has around 50% of the performance of a Snapdragon X Elite processor.
@@ThisIsE reminds me of the jump in quality those htc phones with beats audio and front facing speakers sounded compared to other smartphones at the time. Htc one? Is that what it was called? Best phone I've ever owned by far.
Hi, appreciate the video, and I do have a question if you don’t mind. How did you connect your gaming mouse to the surface pro? Did you use an adapter from USB-A to USB-C? Also, could you do the same with an external gaming keyboard? I am looking to buy a surface pro, and I’m just wondering if the keyboard and mouse that I already have will connect to it when I am at home (I do also have a monitor to connect too, which may be an issue due to the amount of ports). My plan is to use the Xbox Series S that I have for any gaming that I would like to do, and the surface pro for college work at home, both being hooked up to my monitor and using the same keyboard and mouse, if possible. Any advice would be great, thanks!
Love your videos man, such quality! I am finally sold on the new version of the surface with these new snapdragon processors. I will wait until version two or three to make sure all the apps I want to use are fully support natively not in emulations. I will hang on to my M1 iPad Air as my travel computer until then but excited for what the future holds for the surface.
I have a MBP with M1 plus Ipad Pro M2 + Iphone and AW Ultra , I love the Apple's ecosystem but for work , my kind of work ( cybersecurity) , I'm looking for a real OS Desktop in the same format of Ipad , so I'm looking for a surface pro . It's convenient to buy a 11th gen or maybe try with a Surface 10, 9 or 8 to save money ? I willl use it as full pc desktop without limitations of MacOs , like the impossibility to create live usb with windows os or linux distro , or to emulate kali linux in Virtual Box instead of UTM on Macbook .... I'll wait for some suggestions :) Thanks
I am developing a linux distro with desktop and touch mode. As linux mobile already support major linux desktop apps. Combining them will result in an amazing os better than ipad os and windows for touch.
Just found this video and have subscribed to your channel. I like your dry humour and your presenting style! I think you've had a similar experience with previous Surfaces as me; the previous ARM version just wasn't ready, nor powerful. This time round I'm really happy with my experience on the Pro 11 with the Elite chip (and OLED screen) and I'm going to keep it long term. It's a full PC in tablet form, great for my use-case (everything the iPad, with MacOS, should be). I even get to play GTA5 on it. The (expensive) Bluetooth 'Flex' keyboard with Pen is excellent also. Very happy with the battery life and has been a pretty seamless experience so far. Just missing a couple of apps for me: Apple TV and Apple Music - the irony being they're already on ARM chips on the Apple ecosystem!
for anyone want to buy the new surface pro : 1. the oled model have grainy screen (when reading text like pdf with white background, but it isn't noticable in dark mode. the base model also has it, but it's way less noticeable like u will barely notice it. 2. same igpu 3. performance wise, is unnoticable, unless you do a benchmark test.
Top video as always! I was curious to see what you think about it since I returned mine. The combo MacBook Pro 14 and iPad Pro 11 as a secondary display for me is priceless. Since you’re using the S24 ultra you should try the combo Galaxy book edge 4 with snap elite, new earbuds etc etc ( I have one too and I’m curious to try it out too).
I'm still using a surface pro 9 because I need an intel processor for Archicad and Autocad (architecture programs), not sure if they work with this arm processor!
I love mine because it goldilocks... If i need/want to draw I can... If I want to use touch to browse around or navigate a program, I can... So while not everything is touch optimised, I don't mind because I do like using it with keyboard...and Microsoft typecover are my favourite for most satisfying key travel and typing experience...however, Microsoft is still Microsoft and very bifurcated in their finery. The 'new outlook' has no touch swipe like the Mail which in my opinion is more cleaner and perfect UI yet being replaced this year. Next the new keyboard flex battery and charge has major issues. I was going to sell of my previous typecover for Surface pro 9, but I had to snap it on for use because flex just dropped charge even while connected the whole time. It seems like firmware issue than hardware one and perhaps some firmware update might fix it. But who knows when (or if) that happens despite the eye-watering price that these companies (both apple and Microsoft) charge for keyboards. Ipad pro definitely does better at whatever it does... but it does so little (mostly media consumption, some browsing, emailing and drawing or editing) that surface pro 11 is sensible and useful choice anytime any day. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
Hi. Is it worth buying pro 9 still ? Or elite is better? And 16 or 32 gb ram? Is it enough 16 and have no lags on chrome and powerpoint or 32 will be needed?
Are these winds of change? I can't understand why there is no 15" alternative; When the keyboard is disconnected from the Tablet it should always work; The Keyboard looks horrible and the prices are primitive; There should be a Dual Screen Option, with the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i. Your video is fantastic. Thanks
You are noticing the winds very accurately. Although I am a hard core Mac user, I find the Surface a very pleasurable device to use for everything else aside from video editing.
Is that scan not available on surface pro 9? I have the 6 looking to but the 9 for $700 today would you recommend the 11 for 1k vs new 9 for $700 Ps I can 10 times a day min
I keep seeing that windows pro 11 cannot have google drive on it... is there a work around. I need a new surface pro for nursing school but all my documents are through google drive.
When it comes to battery, you only mentioned the capacity but not which one is better? It might be close regarding capacity, but everybody knows M series processor are more efficient and last longer. This seems like a biased review towards the Surface Pro. Not saying the Surface is a bad product. What would make it better is a lower TPD and to be fanless. Maybe next year...
Hi pal, Vahid from Hamburg is here! Regarding the year of starting your RUclips channel, 2016, and the quality of your videos, you should have more than one million subscribers by now. But you don’t, and that’s strange. Why? It seems something is missing in your channel, which are: 1. Several videos about the same topic each year (like tech setups, accessories, etc.). One video per year will be more reliable and followable. 2. Too much focus on Apple, which makes your reviews about other brands seem untrustworthy or unreliable. 3. ... Anyway, your channel is awesome for me and your style of video making is unique. Good luck 🌺🌺😉
I have the SP11 LCD 16gb RAM/512 GB storage in blue. When I watch RUclips, whether I use Chrome or Edge, the videos in full-screen start fine then they start moving downwards. I've never had that issue on an Intel SP. I watch a ton of RUclips. I'm thinking about returning the SP11.
It seems that the return rate for devices with Snapdragon X Elite is unusually high. Some people blame the GPU, although it may be able to be fixed by software. The worst case scenario is that the chip is defective. Personally, I'd wait to see how they compare to upcoming chips from Intel and AMD before purchasing.
I returned mine. If you use them for a while these negatives begin to make you regret moving from a more established platform. I watched ArtisRight and he fully tested the base X Plus and concluded they are not recommended for photography or videography due to performance degradation. That may be the case with your YT problem as well.
What does the Surface Pro 11 have? Touch screen, pen, it's a laptop and table at the same time, it has Windows 11, it has Copilot. What does the Macbook have? Just a drawn apple. lol Surface is the future!!!
Surface Pro: Local video playback: Based on local video playback test. Testing conducted by Microsoft in April 2024 using preproduction software and preproduction Surface Pro Snapdragon® X Plus C10 256GB and 512GB, 16GB RAM (LCD) devices and Surface Pro Snapdragon® X Elite C12 1TB 32GB RAM (OLED) devices. Testing consisted of full battery discharge during video playback of a .mov file through the Windows Media Player application in 1080p at 24 FPS. All settings were default except screen brightness set to 150 nits with Auto-brightness disabled. WiFi was connected to a network. Tested with Windows 11. Battery life varies significantly with settings, usage and other factors. I have no words...
Such an unrealistic test--it is almost worthless as a stat. Of course 150 nits, 1080p, 24Hz refresh rate with local media will be excellent. They should be forced to show multitasking and medium intensive usage as well.
Actually the pro 9 was the best of them until now. Because it has full-fledged windows while windows on arm is just a bad joke. It can‘t even run acrobat reader for god‘s sake.
it's a great laptop. still windows is just not touch based. i would never use windows on a tablet the way it is. for my needs a ipad is enough. but if you want a laptop OS, i think a laptop is a better buy.
I also own a Surface Pro 9 like my main device. And I was disappointed. The biggest problem is that nothing has changed with the arrival of X Elite: 1. The device is large. He needs a lot of space on the table or in hands. 2. The device is heavy. Holding 900 g with one hand and drawing with the other is unrealistic. After 3 minutes I’m looking for somewhere to put it or put it down. 3. The device is hot. If I'm working on my laptop rather than just reading the news, my Surface gets uncomfortably hot. 4. The stylus is simply disgusting. After Apple Pencil 2, Microsoft's stylus looks like a child's toy. 5. Windows itself is terrible when running on a touch screen. Windows doesn't support gestures, and the virtual keyboard is a complete nightmare. I bought myself an iPad Pro 11" M2 as an all-rounder. The Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet.
@@ThisIsE I partly agree with you. I've owned a lot of Windows business laptops and the Surface Pro 9 is probably the best device you can buy right now. But the problem is that this is a good ultrabook. If you look at it as a tablet, it's terrible compared to the iPad. I also “like” how Microsoft made beta testers of ARM systems out of its customers. It is clear that in a year everything will work as it should. But now it's terrible.
You are correct. If you speak to digital artists they will say the same. The Surface Pro is a laptop that can do tablet work but not very well. If you want to do mostly tablet work buy an iPad or Android tablet. Even MS no longer calls it a tablet and has ditched Android subsystem for Windows showing that they have given up on a tablet mode.
How does the chip compare to a Macbook Pro in terms of capabilities/efficiency? To me it seems more like this would be a MBA/iPad Pro combo competitor but I'm curious if you think it competes with the MBP too
Great video btw, and it's always great to see more competition to come out from the Windows side of things!
That's a great question. I'll let you know more about it as I use it more and really test it out.
If you are concerned about any compatibility, go with the Surface Pro 9. It uses Intel and will literally run every single program that you can think of. For the new Surface Pro 11, you will have to wait a couple months before existing programs are compiled and optimized to run on ARM and some firmware updates to have everything up to par. Remember, at the end of the day if you want to run everything from all games to hardcore work nothing will beat Intel or AMD.
@@ThisIsE Great, looking forward to it!
@@williamcopeland2617 yeah but the battery life and thermals are horrid
Prism emulation is garbage. Other than that, ARM Native apps are amazing.
I like how your review is more grounded in everyday applications, rather than just analyzing benchmarks and making presumptuous proclamations based off various tables. Most of us care more about how the device performs for each of our own intended uses for it, and you did a great job over-viewing how it can accomplish that on a real-world basis. If it can handle intensive painting apps with only mild heating, I'm sure it can handle by ancient scribbles for a 2-hr chemistry lecture.
I'm using a base model surface 7, and simply leaving OneNote open with sheet music displayed is enough to drain the battery by an alarming amount. I by no means (as a struggling student in debt) can afford the new surface, but I would absolutely upgrade to it thanks to the info from your review.
Subbed.
I appreciate the kind words and I wish you a new Surface soon 😊
bro my surface pro 8 is now only 80% battery health and I always prefer maxmium brightness. I ended up charge my device twice a day
Excited for the future of Windows on ARM. I just hope Microsoft doesn't abandon this out of nowhere like their other attempts
This time, I doubt it
When have they abandoned any earlier attempts at Windows on ARM? The first one, Surface RT continued to get updates for years. The Surface Pro X and similar era devices from other manufacturers all got updated to Windows 11 and will be getting the 24H2 update with the new Prism x86 translator.
As an owner of an X Elite laptop, honestly, this time they've cracked it, it's awesome.
@@davidneale530 while it’s indeed true that they did not completely abandon it, it still took them until year 12 to do what their main competitor did in their year 1. I owned the OG Surface RT back in the day and it was super frustrating to see MS drop the ball again and again and again but its great to finally see them break through and I hope they continue to keep the momentum.
@@arondyte318 because Apple waited much longer to have competitive chips and could afford moving everything to ARM, as well as dropping 32bits apps, which MS cannot do. Also MS had to rely on external partener, while Apple made their own chips and they are the best at it
They’ve had WoA since 2012, they only started now doing anything meaningful
Your videos have such a nice quality, not only the colours, lighting etc., but also the storytelling and way of approaching things. It is so refreshing and the reason I subscribed a while ago. The "Why not?" just doesn't get old. Your videos helped me a lot back when I got my first Mac. Thanks a lot! But about the topic: I switched to Apple devices a few years ago and I think a device like this new Surface would probably be what I would get if I wanted to get something with Windows on it.
Hey, thanks a lot for the nice words! If you're deep into Apple products, the Surface might not be the best fit, but it's still cool to see some good competition out there.
There's an option in windows 11 to turn on the tap to wake function. It's in Bluetooth & devices/touch.
What...what?!? That's awesome 😊
16:15, you can enable touch-to-wake in the settings. :)
How?
@@carlostiradocota Settings -> Bluetooth & devices -> Touch -> Touch screen to wake
Wait? What? 🙏🏻
Considering the Surface Pro can run real professional apps where the iPad can't shows how a computer should work.
Cause the iPad is not a computer tho……
Schoolboy error, the iPad is a tablet not a laptop, so they are not comparable. Anyway, Windows tablets are poor and sales are in decline, 2-3 years the Surface Pro sales have dropped and they have
@@andyH_Englandso they are comparable in sales, but when you mention power it is no longer comparable? How does that make sense lol
@@jamoyjr Look up the definition of a computer and come back later.
@@andyH_England Look up the definition of a computer.
Yes…finally looks like a good option to replace the iPad Pro M1 + Magic Keyboard + Apple Pencil that I sold months ago that was just so tedious to get anything done on (office/productivity-wise). But now to decide between the OLED version or LCD. Leaning more toward the cheaper LCD with X Plus chip after seeing comparison videos where people are not overwhelmingly preferring the OLED? Added to that is that the X Plus chip isn’t noticeably slower than the X Elite (from what people and benchmarks are saying). And that will also save me hundreds that I can put into keyboard and pen. Which btw, agree on the somewhat cheaper feel of the Surface pen compared to Apple Pencil…but the Surface pen is just so much easier to use. Never liked the tapping to switch tools on Apple Pencil and never seemed to work as it should, but pressing a physical button or flipping around to erase just works.
The rule of thumb is: "If you are not able to do almost all of your work using the touch screen, then the iPad is NOT for you."
My previous Surface 9 was LCD and it was still a very impressive device when it comes to the picture quality. I’m still trying to get my hands on the Flex keyboard which honestly shouldn’t be so expensive
How do you sild it I want to sold my m2 ipad pro as well?
I had the Surface Pro 2 and was very impressed with the build quality. The SPs led the market with the kickstand design (including the Combo Touch I use with my iPad Air 5).
16:55 open the notification area, bottom right corner and you have an option to switch to touch controls which does rearrange the layout to be more touch (tablet) friendly. Surprised it doesn't come by default or nothing prompts you to try/enable it
Or search in settings for "Optimize taskbar for touch when device is used as tablet" (MS and its love for long sentences 🤦♂)
Cheers
This was very helpful, thank you so much for the in depth review. I've been thinking about upgrading my old surface pro and I am excited about all the new features, esp. battery life. Now I can take it to jobsites, mark-up drawings, show presentations on the go, take pictures and draw directly on them for interior design purposes.
Glad it was helpful!
Man, I love how you always make clean videos!
Thank you!
I’m loving mine. Got the surface pro 11 plus and the battery is amazing. Had an iPad Pro M4 for like 2 weeks then I returned it because is no significantly better than my iPad 10. Is incredible this computer does things iPads and MacBooks can’t even do and is not enough for people.
Do you think it can be used for engineering in college? Like Mechanical or Computer
Let me know please!!! considering this for mechanical engineering
There are likely may apps that do not work on the X Elite and I saw a tweet that most college software is not compatible with WOA, so you are likely to have many issues.
@@andyH_England which laptop would you recommend
Most apps don’t work with/are not optimized for Arm unfortunately.
@@andyH_England really? Which apps most have issues on elite surface pro?
I want to buy surface pro but i don't know still pro 9 is it worth or elite is better.
I heard that elite have more battery life and apps work on it.
You mean elite will have lag or issues on chrome and powerpoint and pdf annotating with it's pen?
And is it worth 32 gb ram to buy on pro 9 or new pro elite or 16 gb is enough?
Thanks for this video, exactly what I was looking for as I am torn between buying an iPad Pro M4 or the Surface Pro 11. I read on some Reddit forums and reviews that the OLED display on the Surface Pro 11 has some fringing/raster effect where the text doesn't look sharp especially on white backgrounds. Did you see such an effect on your Surface Pro 11? And how would you rate the colour accuracy on the Surface Pro 11 compared to the iPad Pro M4? And one last question on top 😀 Does the Surface Pro 11 have a 10-bit display panel?
Looks like a GPU problem. Hopefully it can be solved with a driver update.
The text is very clear to me, but the white and light grey backgrounds at higher brightness levels definitely look dithered. Rather than a GPU issue, I understand this as the screen door effect from the pen/touch sensors being somewhat visible. It isn’t in a square pattern, however. But it’s very noticeable if reading black text on a light background in a brighter environment. The oled screen is otherwise great for media consumption. I couldn’t notice this on the iPad oled screen.
@@Kinetic79 Thanks a lot for this. I know that this colour fringing/rastering effect will definitely bother me. And thanks for also sharing that the iPad Pro OLED screen doesn't have that issue. Appreciate it.
@@rramnel I feel like your use case is more important to consider than screen quality…but then again, if the Surface Pro or iPad is a secondary device to a proper PC or Mac then maybe it doesn’t matter as much. If you are a content creator or some other artfully inclined person, maybe iPad makes sense. But if you need to be able to easily manage files (drag and drop between apps and windows) and other office type tasks, the Surface, I think, is the better choice. I had both a Surface Pro X and an iPad Pro M1 and sold them both - neither were the experience I was looking for. But now that these new Snapdragon chips have arrived, I’ll be buying a Surface Pro again and skipping iPad until iPad OS improves immensely.
I see the dithering effect from time to time, but if it wasn't for all the online drama, I wouldn't think twice about it. (personal take of course)
Enjoyable as always. Thank you.
I picked up the base model with the X Plus and very happy (like you I had the pro 9 before) and I also have left the charger in the box topping up the battery passively through monitors / docks.
Reusing an old surface pro keyboard also saved money 👍🏾
How's the performance on the Plus?
@@ThisIsE it’s really good (performance - thank you).
Whilst I’m sure my workload is not as demanding as yours - it chews up through my hundreds of thousands of data rows in excel like a champ and handles all my data software well (Power BI). That’s pretty much the limit of my powers. But it does it faster than what I’ve used before and battery is great. I have seen some computers still slowdown over near million row spreadsheets / it can happen 😄.
No regrets at all. Will upgrade the hard drive myself.
Love your editing. Glad I found your channel!
Thank you
I got one .. oh boy !
This is best device ever for me right now
Better than my iPad Pro M2
Simply running UE5.4.2 in 60 fps (viewport optimization)
Any (almost) prototype game i already can create
I have nothing to say about it )
It's magestic ❤
Congratulations 🥳
bro what, this device runs UE5😲? I thought theres no way Epic support windows arm on windows, did you compile your engine on your own? if you did how much time did you spent to compile this moster? I'm now very intriged
Retro game emulators work well on Windows 11 arm. There are several emulators that have Windows arm64 binaries such as, Dolphin - GC / Wii, Duckstation - PS1, athersx2 - PS2, PPSSPP - psp and Dosbox-X. Emulators such as ScummVM, RMG - N64 and mGBA also run well via x86 / 64 emulation. I run these of a Windows Dev Kit 2023 with SQ3 / Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 which has around 50% of the performance of a Snapdragon X Elite processor.
Good to know! Thank you!
Amazing high quality video. Subscribed !
Much appreciated!
Those speakers are absolutely insane .. best ive heard on any mobile device honestly
They are really impressive indeed
@@ThisIsE reminds me of the jump in quality those htc phones with beats audio and front facing speakers sounded compared to other smartphones at the time. Htc one? Is that what it was called?
Best phone I've ever owned by far.
@@bobdylan1968 I've had this phone and it kicked ass ;)
Hi, appreciate the video, and I do have a question if you don’t mind. How did you connect your gaming mouse to the surface pro? Did you use an adapter from USB-A to USB-C? Also, could you do the same with an external gaming keyboard? I am looking to buy a surface pro, and I’m just wondering if the keyboard and mouse that I already have will connect to it when I am at home (I do also have a monitor to connect too, which may be an issue due to the amount of ports). My plan is to use the Xbox Series S that I have for any gaming that I would like to do, and the surface pro for college work at home, both being hooked up to my monitor and using the same keyboard and mouse, if possible. Any advice would be great, thanks!
Love your videos man, such quality! I am finally sold on the new version of the surface with these new snapdragon processors. I will wait until version two or three to make sure all the apps I want to use are fully support natively not in emulations. I will hang on to my M1 iPad Air as my travel computer until then but excited for what the future holds for the surface.
Thanks man. Exciting times - definitely
It's really a well-explained video, I enjoyed. ❤❤
Solid unbiased review! 👍
Much appreciated!
O my god - I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS - The quality, the content - you a pionier in the presentation - thanks for your hard work
Super happy you appreciate the work 🙏
One of the best rewiews i've seen so far.
Thank you 😊
Does it come with built-in Microsoft package?
I have a MBP with M1 plus Ipad Pro M2 + Iphone and AW Ultra , I love the Apple's ecosystem but for work , my kind of work ( cybersecurity) , I'm looking for a real OS Desktop in the same format of Ipad , so I'm looking for a surface pro . It's convenient to buy a 11th gen or maybe try with a Surface 10, 9 or 8 to save money ? I willl use it as full pc desktop without limitations of MacOs , like the impossibility to create live usb with windows os or linux distro , or to emulate kali linux in Virtual Box instead of UTM on Macbook .... I'll wait for some suggestions :) Thanks
Thanks for the review. I am excited for the future and i expect better graphic performances in the future
My pleasure
Can I install Clo3d or Marvelous Designer ?
Will it work ?
does android studio available natively to these snapdragon laptops
I am developing a linux distro with desktop and touch mode. As linux mobile already support major linux desktop apps. Combining them will result in an amazing os better than ipad os and windows for touch.
That's sounds very interesting! Good luck with the development.
Just found this video and have subscribed to your channel. I like your dry humour and your presenting style!
I think you've had a similar experience with previous Surfaces as me; the previous ARM version just wasn't ready, nor powerful. This time round I'm really happy with my experience on the Pro 11 with the Elite chip (and OLED screen) and I'm going to keep it long term. It's a full PC in tablet form, great for my use-case (everything the iPad, with MacOS, should be). I even get to play GTA5 on it. The (expensive) Bluetooth 'Flex' keyboard with Pen is excellent also. Very happy with the battery life and has been a pretty seamless experience so far. Just missing a couple of apps for me: Apple TV and Apple Music - the irony being they're already on ARM chips on the Apple ecosystem!
Thank you! I still can't fathom why Apple Music and Apple TV is not available on all platforms
Will this surface pro 11 overheat or nosiy as the last model?
Nothing alike
10:45
You can connect 3 4K monitors but at what hrz? 60 per monitor? If it’s just 2 monitors, can I get 4K at 60hertz?
i love the way this video presentation. its like a miniseries..!!! interesting...!
Glad you liked it!
I loved your review, so honest yet precise!
Thanks so much!
for anyone want to buy the new surface pro :
1. the oled model have grainy screen (when reading text like pdf with white background, but it isn't noticable in dark mode. the base model also has it, but it's way less noticeable like u will barely notice it.
2. same igpu
3. performance wise, is unnoticable, unless you do a benchmark test.
Performance wise compared to?
Top video as always! I was curious to see what you think about it since I returned mine. The combo MacBook Pro 14 and iPad Pro 11 as a secondary display for me is priceless. Since you’re using the S24 ultra you should try the combo Galaxy book edge 4 with snap elite, new earbuds etc etc ( I have one too and I’m curious to try it out too).
I am now Surface with Z Fold 6 - twice the 2-in-1 form factors 😂
@@ThisIsE ok now that’s interesting!!! 😂
It is a pity though that most reviewers get the Oled version, I'd like the base version in review
Thanks for the video
My pleasure 😊
Thanks for the video, I do really appreciate your reviews 👍🏻
Much appreciated!
I'm still using a surface pro 9 because I need an intel processor for Archicad and Autocad (architecture programs), not sure if they work with this arm processor!
Is this a good video editing tool?
Something like Capcut for casual editing is OK
I love mine because it goldilocks... If i need/want to draw I can... If I want to use touch to browse around or navigate a program, I can... So while not everything is touch optimised, I don't mind because I do like using it with keyboard...and Microsoft typecover are my favourite for most satisfying key travel and typing experience...however, Microsoft is still Microsoft and very bifurcated in their finery. The 'new outlook' has no touch swipe like the Mail which in my opinion is more cleaner and perfect UI yet being replaced this year. Next the new keyboard flex battery and charge has major issues. I was going to sell of my previous typecover for Surface pro 9, but I had to snap it on for use because flex just dropped charge even while connected the whole time. It seems like firmware issue than hardware one and perhaps some firmware update might fix it. But who knows when (or if) that happens despite the eye-watering price that these companies (both apple and Microsoft) charge for keyboards. Ipad pro definitely does better at whatever it does... but it does so little (mostly media consumption, some browsing, emailing and drawing or editing) that surface pro 11 is sensible and useful choice anytime any day. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
Can I download capcut desktop on this ?
Hi.
Is it worth buying pro 9 still ?
Or elite is better?
And 16 or 32 gb ram? Is it enough 16 and have no lags on chrome and powerpoint or 32 will be needed?
I wouldn’t buy the 9
Are these winds of change?
I can't understand why there is no 15" alternative; When the keyboard is disconnected from the Tablet it should always work; The Keyboard looks horrible and the prices are primitive; There should be a Dual Screen Option, with the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i.
Your video is fantastic. Thanks
You are noticing the winds very accurately. Although I am a hard core Mac user, I find the Surface a very pleasurable device to use for everything else aside from video editing.
how did you get the keyboard to work when detached?
That only works on the new Surface Flex keyboard
Great video! Could you please take a look at the Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge?
I am considering it
With your choice of music, you could be a great Beninese. 🤟💜
Is that scan not available on surface pro 9? I have the 6 looking to but the 9 for $700 today would you recommend the 11 for 1k vs new 9 for $700
Ps I can 10 times a day min
Nice review. Can you share the link for your cool desk clock?
Thanks! Check out my desk accessories episode.
9:26 "actual computer" lol suttle burn, love it. These arm chipped things look proper, waiting for Microsoft to properly support it
I hope they continue to ride the wave and expand their support initiatives.
The fact that there's a tablet that i can use for work, art and gaming is ridiculous, sad im broke asf and can't afford it 😔
Thanks Prof. Xavier.
Is that Adobe Photoshop were you using 12:26
How I dream of having a Surface pro Y^Y It would really help with studying
That track🔥💯
😊
It probably will not work, but I am curious if the Apple pencil will work on the new surface. Then will the surface stylus work on the ipad.
It does not 😂 nor does the Logitech Pencil
@@ThisIsE sadface, but thanks for checking
Great
Thanks 😊
How much space does wondows takes ?
Good question. I need to check
Thank you
My pleasure
Great review! thx!
Thank you
interesting because back when i had a surface pro 3 it did not have those issues that the surface pro 9 has
Different times, demands, and OSs
I keep seeing that windows pro 11 cannot have google drive on it... is there a work around. I need a new surface pro for nursing school but all my documents are through google drive.
Why not use it through google chrome?
When it comes to battery, you only mentioned the capacity but not which one is better? It might be close regarding capacity, but everybody knows M series processor are more efficient and last longer. This seems like a biased review towards the Surface Pro. Not saying the Surface is a bad product. What would make it better is a lower TPD and to be fanless. Maybe next year...
Can we run autocad, solidworks in surface pro 11.
No native support yet. Not sure if emulation works.
Snapdragon X Elite 🔋🔋🔋💪
🔋🔋
@@ThisIsE yepp. I’m a 2 🔋 camp voter, rather than 3.
Hi pal, Vahid from Hamburg is here! Regarding the year of starting your RUclips channel, 2016, and the quality of your videos, you should have more than one million subscribers by now. But you don’t, and that’s strange. Why? It seems something is missing in your channel, which are:
1. Several videos about the same topic each year (like tech setups, accessories, etc.). One video per year will be more reliable and followable.
2. Too much focus on Apple, which makes your reviews about other brands seem untrustworthy or unreliable.
3. ...
Anyway, your channel is awesome for me and your style of video making is unique. Good luck 🌺🌺😉
Does anyone know if I can use Power Bi smoothly with surf pro11?
I have the SP11 LCD 16gb RAM/512 GB storage in blue. When I watch RUclips, whether I use Chrome or Edge, the videos in full-screen start fine then they start moving downwards. I've never had that issue on an Intel SP. I watch a ton of RUclips. I'm thinking about returning the SP11.
I wouldn't rush as I'm sure stability will improve over time
It seems that the return rate for devices with Snapdragon X Elite is unusually high. Some people blame the GPU, although it may be able to be fixed by software. The worst case scenario is that the chip is defective. Personally, I'd wait to see how they compare to upcoming chips from Intel and AMD before purchasing.
I returned mine. If you use them for a while these negatives begin to make you regret moving from a more established platform. I watched ArtisRight and he fully tested the base X Plus and concluded they are not recommended for photography or videography due to performance degradation. That may be the case with your YT problem as well.
@ThisisE 1:42 Well, I've subscribed because... why not? 😄
Fantastic!
does anybody know if i can play games only using the screen?
i like this laptop but dont have money to buy 😅
What does the Surface Pro 11 have?
Touch screen, pen, it's a laptop and table at the same time, it has Windows 11, it has Copilot.
What does the Macbook have?
Just a drawn apple. lol
Surface is the future!!!
You started with a negative tone but everything you said about laptop was good 😂
It started negative last year, but this year it's great
Surface Pro:
Local video playback: Based on local video playback test. Testing conducted by Microsoft in April 2024 using preproduction software and preproduction Surface Pro Snapdragon® X Plus C10 256GB and 512GB, 16GB RAM (LCD) devices and Surface Pro Snapdragon® X Elite C12 1TB 32GB RAM (OLED) devices. Testing consisted of full battery discharge during video playback of a .mov file through the Windows Media Player application in 1080p at 24 FPS. All settings were default except screen brightness set to 150 nits with Auto-brightness disabled. WiFi was connected to a network. Tested with Windows 11. Battery life varies significantly with settings, usage and other factors.
I have no words...
Such an unrealistic test--it is almost worthless as a stat. Of course 150 nits, 1080p, 24Hz refresh rate with local media will be excellent. They should be forced to show multitasking and medium intensive usage as well.
Actually the pro 9 was the best of them until now. Because it has full-fledged windows while windows on arm is just a bad joke. It can‘t even run acrobat reader for god‘s sake.
it's a great laptop. still windows is just not touch based. i would never use windows on a tablet the way it is. for my needs a ipad is enough. but if you want a laptop OS, i think a laptop is a better buy.
You didn't mention the battery life at all...
I am yet to report on that in the long term. First impressions - superb 👌🏻 Easily an all-day device if used for casual tasks.
Please compare it to the iPad!
I will 👍
awesome concept but still too expensive….
But they can’t install adobe apps 😢
Some Adobe apps only
I don"t like the Ps can not create video timeline now and no Lr Classic. It's too early that this ecosystem better than M Apple series
11 generations to make the screen flip😂...
🙌
Just give me.your surface pro 9 😅😅😅🎉🎉
I sold it long time ago 😂
@@ThisIsE oh no, I just have surface rt ,4,and now pro 7 and problem flicker and crack lcd ,give me low price used surface 9 please hope there is much
Mean ebay link 😂 or your recommend 😁@@YTPACAH
I also own a Surface Pro 9 like my main device. And I was disappointed.
The biggest problem is that nothing has changed with the arrival of X Elite:
1. The device is large. He needs a lot of space on the table or in hands.
2. The device is heavy. Holding 900 g with one hand and drawing with the other is unrealistic. After 3 minutes I’m looking for somewhere to put it or put it down.
3. The device is hot. If I'm working on my laptop rather than just reading the news, my Surface gets uncomfortably hot.
4. The stylus is simply disgusting. After Apple Pencil 2, Microsoft's stylus looks like a child's toy.
5. Windows itself is terrible when running on a touch screen. Windows doesn't support gestures, and the virtual keyboard is a complete nightmare.
I bought myself an iPad Pro 11" M2 as an all-rounder. The Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet.
That sounds harsh, yet I agree with some of your observations. However, I see this device as a huge improvement to any previous Surface device.
@@ThisIsE I partly agree with you. I've owned a lot of Windows business laptops and the Surface Pro 9 is probably the best device you can buy right now. But the problem is that this is a good ultrabook. If you look at it as a tablet, it's terrible compared to the iPad.
I also “like” how Microsoft made beta testers of ARM systems out of its customers. It is clear that in a year everything will work as it should. But now it's terrible.
You are correct. If you speak to digital artists they will say the same. The Surface Pro is a laptop that can do tablet work but not very well. If you want to do mostly tablet work buy an iPad or Android tablet. Even MS no longer calls it a tablet and has ditched Android subsystem for Windows showing that they have given up on a tablet mode.
first...great video as usual
Thank you
Software issues may drive you crazy on surface pro 11
I haven’t witnessed anything worrisome so far. I’ll be sure to report on such in my review
No Google Drive and my paid for VPN of choice does not work--I returned mine. Give it a year and try again.
jajjaa nice try.
useless reviews...
I appreciate the useful comment
Hey @ThisIsE why not go for the new surface laptop ?
I am a huge 2 in 1 fan