What is this review? It's a tablet for sudents, artists, it's a practical laptop for work, you can make a pc-like setup with it, it has a powerful PC-OS and gets a light PC-like preformance when you plug it to charger, It can easily replace both airmac and ipad, and there are adroid apps coming to win11, you can even buy it with LTE so you don't have to use your phone as router. It's probably the most flexible and functional device on the whole market, but hey you've proven it's not a gaming pc.
@@chillinJohnny for everything you described you can get the cheaper surface go tablet. No need to spend $1500+ for a device that will perform marginally better.
@@SoulOfTech I disagree with you 1000%. You're attempting to state that you'll compare a Surface Pro 8 to a Surface Go? If that's the case, you should rethink your review strategy. LOL Here's content for you. Why don't you take your Surface Pro 8 and do a comparison to your iPad Pro. Your welcome. ;-)
This is the first surface pro review I've come across on youtube which is quite accurate to my personal experience. I am a bit disappointed with my purchase to be honest. It is not as good as a cheaper, less spec stand-alone laptop, and, I cannot stress this enough, miles worse than any high-end tablet when you use it as a tablet. Also, more expensive than either option. I'd recommend to get a good laptop and medium to low-budget tablet like an older Ipad Air or an older Galaxy tabs combo set up instead. For me, it is frustrating on both fronts as a stand-alone laptop or occasional tablet usage.
I have observed that the only thing RUclipsrs do to test a device is video editing. This is for professionals. Not professional RUclipsrs.This device is not for that. Even my dell precision i7 with 64 gb ram would go into turbo cooling mode when I compiled video lessons for online teaching. I used the pro 7 until it got stolen. Had the Kensington tabletop dock for the pro7. What a setup I had. My iPad Pro started to collect dust. Now it’s back in use. Looking to get the 8. It’s seamless integration with the windows os environment sets it apart from the iPad. But I must admit. It’s too expensive for the casual user. Meant for academics.
I've been gaming on the surface pro 8 and definitely recommend using 1440*960 as your resolution as it scales perfectly and doesn't tax the Intel xe igpu as badly.. alternatively you can use an egpu like the Razer core x with a full desktop GPU to get way better results but the cpu will still bottleneck some and I recommend an external desk fan to keep it from throttling.. I've tested a bunch of games already on both the i5 and i7 so if you have any questions let me know
Great video men. I think the word pro goes beyond video creators and folks into photography. It also cover professional in other career fields who are the larger society and the focus of Microsoft for slim compact laptops like these. These are professional in fields like law, medicine, accounting, project management and many more. Those are the real targets people who want a light good device.
That is a good way of looking at it for sure! To be honest often (perhaps wrongfully) we categorize pro activities as ones that require heavy computational power and often judge pro devices in that aspect. With that said I agree many professions and workflows fall under "pro" use aside from just media content.
Maybe it is just me, and me using surface pros for years as primary devices, i do think this device is specifically made for people always on the go (lightweight design still having 30-watt CPU). I agree with the not good battery life, however it is more than capable of most pro tasks (keep in mind that video or photo editing is just a small subset of pro workflows, but true it can't sustain long workloads)
I have the Surface Pro 7 and it has the same issues you described when it comes to lacking performance, overheating, and battery life being unreliable. Disappointing to hear the issues persist. I really regret my Surface Pro purchase and I wish I went with a more standard laptop. Still a very great device, but the amount you pay for one is hard to justify with the lack of performance. Thanks for the great review Shahpar!
The key with any Surface device is to wait a little bit and watch for deals. When I bought mine I got a tiny bit off the device itself but about 40% off the keyboard and pen.
So true! Just got the i7, 16GB, 1TB model for $1320. Was discounted to $1550 and the shop was running a 15% additional discount on all PCs. At that price, SP8 is a no brainer.
@@nedv4907 My i7 with 32gb ram SP8 was around $1200 at CDW, but it was the retail demo version and I believe they discontinued it because it is no longer on their site. It's the same computer as the consumer version but less than half the price.
l picked this up today and l got to say that its a very powerful device things you can do on this is way better then an ipad using mobile apps surface is so worth it
A review of the video - Awesome! thank you for making this. As a Pastor who is always on the go, I have been using the surface 3 as my daily driver. It does everything I need it to do including connecting to displays such as projectors, and external monitors. I often project Bible Study info onto screens, apologetics classes on screens and so forth. I also use it in the pulpit during Sunday morning services with my notes on it, I did manage to install Windows 11 Pro on it and so far, no issues. I agree that the battery life could be better - even before installing windows 11 pro. I do have a charger pack I carry with me, and it does what I need it to do. I use the JLab Bluetooth keyboard and a Logi Bluetooth mouse, ear buds, a 128 G mini-SSD card and I also have a 2 TB SSD mini drive that I carry with me as well. Overall, I like the surface, but it does need the battery situation addressed. Once again, thank you for your review!
This is the first surface pro review I've come across on youtube which is quite accurate to my personal experience. I am a bit disappointed with my purchase to be honest. It is not as good as a cheaper, less spec stand-alone laptop, and, I cannot stress this enough, miles worse than any high-end tablet when you use it as a tablet. Also, more expensive than either option. I'd recommend to get a good laptop and medium to low-budget tablet like an older Ipad Air or an older Galaxy tabs combo set up instead. For me, it is frustrating on both fronts as a stand-alone laptop or occasional tablet usage.
.... its a pro in our work environment. Office and businesses. Windows created 365...pro is professional office use. Its not meant for what you guys complain about.
Office 365 will work smoothly with even a $300 windows device. If the benchmark is based on programs that are used by professional that puts the Surface Pro 8 at an even bigger disadvantage.
@@SoulOfTech ...funny i think your on to something...nope my staff are happy with their update pros that i got for them to help run my business. You even said it in your video it runs the basic shit like web browsing, doing documents and spread sheets dont remember if you mentioned video conference but yeah it does that well for our meetings with out international clients...like i mention in my comment that you overlooked office and business. Not games or art or video editing...even though i have marketing department but im not dumb enough to not buy the proper hardware
@The Handy Historian its dumb to buy anything that is out of peoples price. If you dont have the budget, dont buy it. If you do think that item will make a difference in your personal/business life, then invest in it
I did run temp tests. The frame drops always occurred once the avg thermals hit 40c surface temp or higher. Additionally I always optimized the settings to the point 8gb ram can sustain.
"Kinda competes with the iPad pro kinda doesn't", the surface devices are full fledged computers with full windows operating systems and they double as a tablet. This dude is completely biased.
Pretty good video - My thoughts on the Pro 8 and who it's for: If people have paid this amount of money for a Windows PC and they aren't using it to run a business that makes them way more money I think they've probably overspent personally.....These aren't expensive in terms of a business device if it helps you to collaborate better and ultimately make more money by making your business more successful. If you aren't going to make extensive use of both the laptop mode (with type cover) and the pen I don't think it's the right device. To me the price of the keyboard and pen are OK if you're using this every day - The fact you can move the keyboard over to your next Pro, or replace the keyboard if it breaks do help with the cost going forwards. The Pro range (compared to laptops) has some obvious trade-offs but the whole thing about overheating and poor performance seems to have evaded me over the years. I've use Pro 3, Pro 5 (2017) and Pro 8 extensively and they have always handled dev work, office work required to run a business just fine - I don't run virtual machines locally, I don't do anything with video editing (something YT reviews are obviously going to focus on when it comes to performance) Battery life isn't great I agree, but it's a tablet form factor along the lines of an iPad Pro - iPad Pro is amazing at sleeping and not using any power, the 10 hours you can get from iPad Pro is for video over WiFi, I can easily hammer my iPad Pro and get it's battery life down to ~4 to 6 hours of actual use - All depends what you're using these for, honestly. Like anything has it's pros and cons, I don't think the price is that ridiculous compared to other products in this class. In terms of Windows devices it's packing everything you could want - Here's hoping that the next ARM iterations to replace the Pro X will have much better battery life (compared to Pro 8) and better performance (than Pro X SQ1/SQ2)
@@yesspaces I’ve not experienced a 40% loss just browsing for an hour, but I use Edge which sleeps tabs automatically. Not sure if that’s also in Chrome. I do agree battery is the worst part it seems particularly bad since they moved to Pro 8, Pro 7 was at least half decent. Like I said it’s easy to be a bit unfair to the Pro 8. For example I used my 11” iPad Pro to do a 1 hour Teams call on Friday and lost 22% battery. Everybody thinks the iPad has unbelievable battery life but certain tasks like this hammer it just as much as a Pro 8. iPad stands up way better for browsing though I agree.
I have had a bad experience with the last pro 7 model. Touchscreen became unresponsive suddenly, type cover randomly stopped working. I haven't really taken the laptop outside and it was religiously cared for. Worst of all the support team did not know what was wrong with it and wanted me to pay for a replacement. Gave up on the Microsoft lineup in general and am now in the process of switching to macos, hope the surface pro 8 has none of these issues though, I've heard Asus has a similar product in their lineup!
warning, warning, troll alert. trolls like to: 1. make up nonexistant problems with devices that they don't actually own 2. always say that they took care of the product, 3. claim customer service didn't know what the problem was or how to fix it, and 4. for these reason they won't buy another device from this company trolls will never tell you what specific model they had, how much it costs, exactly how long they owned the device, what they used to device for, or any other specific information. this allows them to post the same comment on totally different devices and a multitude of tech channels.
Had similar problems with my surface pro 8... screen had a constant flicker, would randomly crash, and the type cover would randomly disconnect, applications became unresponsive to the slim pen etc. and required rebooting. When the screen randomly died part way through an online lecture (while still being able to hear my lecturer talking), I decided to return it! Got a replacement, and it lasted for a month or two before the same problems began popping up again! Got a refund, and now I'm happily on an M1 Macbook Air and loving it! MacOs is a bit of a learning curve though haha. Funny thing is, my wife also owns a Surface Pro 8, and had to return it last week due to crashing issues, a kickstand that didn't remain rigid, and the charging port stopped working! She received her replacement today so I guess only time will tell if this new one will work 😂 Long story short, between the two of us, 3 out of 4 (so far) Surface Pro 8s that we've owned have had serious issues that are unacceptable for a premium priced device.
Yeah well, even though Surface Pro isn't without its quirkiness, I'd choose surface pro anytime over iPad Pro. Simply because, Office 365 on iPad, sadly, is not the answer for corporate slave like me. And Ms. Office, again sadly, is an essential tool to make our living. So having a full Ms. Office experience in such a small form factor is still appealing to corporate workers.
The good for the i7 version: - Good for data analysts with heavy Excel and Power BI use. - Great display. Cons: - Battery life is trash 🗑. Mostly due to extreme power and display in a frame too small to carry it. - Not good for intensive video editing or high end coding (C, C++, Rust, nor Java).
A big issue with the battery if they haven't put adaptive refresh rate into Windows 11 yet.....at least not properly. It only lowers to 60hz when a full screen video is playing - Really wish they'd got this in by now as it really is needed. This is probably why the device defaults to 60hz out of the box, but to me it's not worth using it at 60hz as the whole point of the Pro range is to make use of the pen, and it's way better at 120Hz (the same way the Apple Pencil is way better on an iPad Pro rather than a cheaper iPad with lower refresh rate) I think because the Pro range has been around for so long, people forget it's a bit of a niche device and you really want to be that niche target user if you're going to buy one or you're probably better off with a laptop or just an iPad w/ magic keyboard cover
@@SoulOfTech In comparison to SP7 i5 without active cooling, there are (based on benchmarks) much better results. First time hearing of some major cpu throttling. For my tasks (surfing, content consumption and some casual gaming), I think it will be fine. Thanks.
Good review. I am buying a pre owned surface pro 7. General use mostly. No photo editing. The screen looks great and have a monitor desk set up with a Logitech ms keys keyboard and mouse which it will fit in well with. I can also pick up a pre owned keyboard if I need to. Thanks for the review. The I5 10th gen will be fine for my needs.
☹I've had 2 generations of Surface Pro, the latest being the 7. They work fine for about a year. The earlier model with the screen buzz became unusable at about 13 months, thus out of warranty. Microsoft wouldn't lift a finger to do anything. So, like a sheep (and because I liked the ultra-HD screen resolution), and after reading many reviews on the 7 model, I sunk another $1.4k into it. It worked fine. No screen issues at all. Drove all my peripherals just fine. I work with typically 7 to 10 windows open at any given time, and the did just great......until the day it died...about 16 months after it came to me, all spanking new and wonderful. Not even a blue screen. Wouldn't boot up even with professional help from two IT professionals. The problem with these solid state hard drives is that there is no way they can be revived, even with "recovery" software. They just plain die, and you're left with a very expensive, very flat, brick. My advice, after my spending over $2,500 on these-- DO NOT buy a Microsoft Surface Pro.
@@SoulOfTech Probably better with either a non-Surface device or the Surface Laptop Studio for video editing, it isn't really the target use case for the Surface Pro based on how it's marketed etc. You can ignore the word "Pro" in most devices it's just marketing and doesn't mean it works for all Pro workflows....iPad Pro for example isn't really "Pro" for a professional software developer, but there are numerous successful RUclips channels where the host does all their editing from the iPad Pro.
Hi, I recenty build a new pc (ryzen 9, rtx 4070 ti) So I rlly don't need a laptop/tablet for its performance, however I need a decent one to do some light coding on the way and to take notes at university, anyone in the same situation/knows if surface pro 8 is a good option?
@@SoulOfTech i ordered a SP8 I7 16 256.I Plan to use it as secondary device for drawings in photoshop and illustrator, 2D animation, 1080 p vidéo editing in adobe première and as a base to start Light 3D project in blender to complete on my 2080 RTXed desktop....but according to your test I made a big mistake...
@@michaelzouzoukov6936 I have i7/16GB/256GB model and it gets quite warm doing simple drawing in photoshop. Not to speak of all the blue screens and problems not getting 4K 60hz out of it, wireless mouse disconnecting randomly, etc. Not sure if you've got yours yet, but I wouldn't recommend it... I love the form factor and the screen, but man, it's been a huge disappointment. I think this lineup will be perfect once they get good ARM chip in (yes SPX exists, but it's even more underpowered) or at least AMD if they stick with x86. But until then I'd pass on it. I'm unfortunstely stuck with mine, so I guess I'll just have to live with it or try selling it while I can.
@@kristiankivijarvi3870 its strange.I have got mine since one week now and I m not experiencing all the issues People are talking about.yes it become warmer when doing photoshop or even short 4k editing.but it works Just fine.no bluescreen,stutturing or overheating issues.My experience on SP8 is quite enjoyable.I use it as secondary computer starting animations, illustrations and even video editing projets that I can finish later on my desktop.and it fills this task quite well.I often work in a cool environment so maybe it helps to maintain overhall good performances.I know the limited power of the device so I only installed essentials softwares.No games or entertaining ones.I notice the sp8 can become very hot on when installing updates but apart of this its ok.Maybe I m Just Lucky.
@@SoulOfTech do you think it will come with an i9 and 32 gb ram instead as a developed version? Or what do you believe they will focus on for this year’s model?
I stopped watching after the part where you said that the cover isnt worth the price. Whats the point owning a portable windows machine like this, and hooking up a full sized keyboard to it... lmao.. just get a normal laptop at that point.
Fair point. It's for the folks who collaborate while doing other office tasks. They need to be able to bring their machine anywhere , and do some medium load work
I have terrible experiences with both. Macbook Pro sucks, just got this one and it sucks too! I wonder when can I finally get what I pay for, twice in a row buying +2K device that's subpar borderline garbage.
I got a Surface laptop (3, I believe) from my father, who could not get it to work correctly upon purchase. I found out why: the display showed a strip meaning a defective component (which was later quoted for $700+ to be replaced beyond warranty), the keyboard section began to get bloated from the presumably bloated battery, and the computer would show the blue screen of death once a month. MS makes excellent software, but they are not a great hardware maker in any sense... I will likely be choosing a Macbook as a work laptop due to this experience...
I chose the Surface Pro just for this reason, not interested in hanging around with both a tablet and a laptop. As a student it is uncomfortable and heavy
@@msp5138 why so angry? I didn’t realize acknowledging something makes me a “fan boy”. Also the M1 Air’s do not suffer from thermal throttling, I believe you are referring to the older Intel based models.
THIS is the review I should have watched before getting the device. Pretty much every reviewer gave glowing recommendations and I listened, but man, this thing kinda sucks. I've had two blue screens within the first week, one time it got stuck in black screen for an hour or so, yay. Then 4K 60hz signal doesn't work, it looks distorted and noisy like a broken VHS tape from the 90s. Also, my wireless mouse keeps disconnecting for no reason AND as icing on the cake, yes, it gets hot and throttles - it's uncomfortably hot even while doing simple drawing in photoshop. Absolute garbage, I cannot believe I paid 2K for this and am now stuck with it. Stay away people!
The iPad Pro was just a point of reference it was not intended as a direct comparison. With that said the Surface Pro suffers in the performance department which is why I used the iPad a reference of better performance.
My surface pro 8 is horrible! I have the model with the same specs. I don’t game or do anything crazy. All I did was web browse and take notes with the pen and it would overheat and lag like crazy. Exchanging it this week. Hoping I get a better copy.
Battery life is 10-11 hours per PCMark 10 battery test. If you don't use a standardized test, your battery results are not creditable, replicable, or useful. And iPad Pros have about 5-6 hours of battery life per Windows Central. As for expensive, who buys tech, or anything else, at full retail price? Best Buy, Amazon, and MS all have sales all the time (which is every other month). MS just finished an Easter sale where Surface Pro 8s were discounted between $200-$350 depending on the model.
I had iPads/pro and the Surface Pro 8 that I am typing on is a PRO (I do not care about RUclips Clowns and editing VIDEO!) device that beats the iPads. iPads with a keyboard, $400 what a joke. I will take the Surface Pro all day LONG!
What do you think of the Surface Pro 8? Purchase link in video description (it helps fund the channel at no extra cost to you).
What is this review? It's a tablet for sudents, artists, it's a practical laptop for work, you can make a pc-like setup with it, it has a powerful PC-OS and gets a light PC-like preformance when you plug it to charger, It can easily replace both airmac and ipad, and there are adroid apps coming to win11, you can even buy it with LTE so you don't have to use your phone as router.
It's probably the most flexible and functional device on the whole market, but hey you've proven it's not a gaming pc.
@@chillinJohnny for everything you described you can get the cheaper surface go tablet. No need to spend $1500+ for a device that will perform marginally better.
@@SoulOfTech I disagree with you 1000%. You're attempting to state that you'll compare a Surface Pro 8 to a Surface Go? If that's the case, you should rethink your review strategy. LOL Here's content for you. Why don't you take your Surface Pro 8 and do a comparison to your iPad Pro. Your welcome. ;-)
i love it its my child
This is the first surface pro review I've come across on youtube which is quite accurate to my personal experience. I am a bit disappointed with my purchase to be honest.
It is not as good as a cheaper, less spec stand-alone laptop, and, I cannot stress this enough, miles worse than any high-end tablet when you use it as a tablet. Also, more expensive than either option.
I'd recommend to get a good laptop and medium to low-budget tablet like an older Ipad Air or an older Galaxy tabs combo set up instead.
For me, it is frustrating on both fronts as a stand-alone laptop or occasional tablet usage.
I have observed that the only thing RUclipsrs do to test a device is video editing. This is for professionals. Not professional RUclipsrs.This device is not for that. Even my dell precision i7 with 64 gb ram would go into turbo cooling mode when I compiled video lessons for online teaching. I used the pro 7 until it got stolen. Had the Kensington tabletop dock for the pro7. What a setup I had. My iPad Pro started to collect dust. Now it’s back in use. Looking to get the 8. It’s seamless integration with the windows os environment sets it apart from the iPad. But I must admit. It’s too expensive for the casual user. Meant for academics.
I've been gaming on the surface pro 8 and definitely recommend using 1440*960 as your resolution as it scales perfectly and doesn't tax the Intel xe igpu as badly.. alternatively you can use an egpu like the Razer core x with a full desktop GPU to get way better results but the cpu will still bottleneck some and I recommend an external desk fan to keep it from throttling.. I've tested a bunch of games already on both the i5 and i7 so if you have any questions let me know
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. Its a smart idea to lower the resolution!
Which one to choose i7 or i5 same price, daily tasks and some gaming (Ready or Not) ?
@@SoulOfTech I play age of empires iv would it support it with multiple players and troops?
You should do a video
@@db9841 I did make a video testing age of empires 4 :)
Great video men. I think the word pro goes beyond video creators and folks into photography. It also cover professional in other career fields who are the larger society and the focus of Microsoft for slim compact laptops like these. These are professional in fields like law, medicine, accounting, project management and many more. Those are the real targets people who want a light good device.
That is a good way of looking at it for sure! To be honest often (perhaps wrongfully) we categorize pro activities as ones that require heavy computational power and often judge pro devices in that aspect. With that said I agree many professions and workflows fall under "pro" use aside from just media content.
Maybe it is just me, and me using surface pros for years as primary devices, i do think this device is specifically made for people always on the go (lightweight design still having 30-watt CPU). I agree with the not good battery life, however it is more than capable of most pro tasks (keep in mind that video or photo editing is just a small subset of pro workflows, but true it can't sustain long workloads)
I have the Surface Pro 7 and it has the same issues you described when it comes to lacking performance, overheating, and battery life being unreliable. Disappointing to hear the issues persist. I really regret my Surface Pro purchase and I wish I went with a more standard laptop. Still a very great device, but the amount you pay for one is hard to justify with the lack of performance. Thanks for the great review Shahpar!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I like that you have such a different perspective from the standard reviewers, and don't have terrible music like them either! Subbed!
Glad you like them! Your feedback means a lot!
The key with any Surface device is to wait a little bit and watch for deals. When I bought mine I got a tiny bit off the device itself but about 40% off the keyboard and pen.
Good suggestion.
So true! Just got the i7, 16GB, 1TB model for $1320. Was discounted to $1550 and the shop was running a 15% additional discount on all PCs. At that price, SP8 is a no brainer.
@@philippelambinet1425 where?
@@nedv4907 My i7 with 32gb ram SP8 was around $1200 at CDW, but it was the retail demo version and I believe they discontinued it because it is no longer on their site. It's the same computer as the consumer version but less than half the price.
Yup just got one w the keyboard for 1099
Your intros are sooo good! Great review, Surface Pro is so cool 😎
Glad you like them!
l picked this up today and l got to say that its a very powerful device things you can do on this is way better then an ipad using mobile apps surface is so worth it
A review of the video - Awesome! thank you for making this. As a Pastor who is always on the go, I have been using the surface 3 as my daily driver. It does everything I need it to do including connecting to displays such as projectors, and external monitors. I often project Bible Study info onto screens, apologetics classes on screens and so forth. I also use it in the pulpit during Sunday morning services with my notes on it, I did manage to install Windows 11 Pro on it and so far, no issues. I agree that the battery life could be better - even before installing windows 11 pro. I do have a charger pack I carry with me, and it does what I need it to do. I use the JLab Bluetooth keyboard and a Logi Bluetooth mouse, ear buds, a 128 G mini-SSD card and I also have a 2 TB SSD mini drive that I carry with me as well. Overall, I like the surface, but it does need the battery situation addressed. Once again, thank you for your review!
Thank for sharing your exprience, always good to hear what other people think of it! Also thank you for your viewership :)
Very fair and honest review! Keep up the great work ;D
Thanks a ton!
This is the first surface pro review I've come across on youtube which is quite accurate to my personal experience. I am a bit disappointed with my purchase to be honest.
It is not as good as a cheaper, less spec stand-alone laptop, and, I cannot stress this enough, miles worse than any high-end tablet when you use it as a tablet. Also, more expensive than either option.
I'd recommend to get a good laptop and medium to low-budget tablet like an older Ipad Air or an older Galaxy tabs combo set up instead.
For me, it is frustrating on both fronts as a stand-alone laptop or occasional tablet usage.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
.... its a pro in our work environment. Office and businesses. Windows created 365...pro is professional office use. Its not meant for what you guys complain about.
Office 365 will work smoothly with even a $300 windows device. If the benchmark is based on programs that are used by professional that puts the Surface Pro 8 at an even bigger disadvantage.
@@SoulOfTech ...funny i think your on to something...nope my staff are happy with their update pros that i got for them to help run my business. You even said it in your video it runs the basic shit like web browsing, doing documents and spread sheets dont remember if you mentioned video conference but yeah it does that well for our meetings with out international clients...like i mention in my comment that you overlooked office and business. Not games or art or video editing...even though i have marketing department but im not dumb enough to not buy the proper hardware
the dumb part is buying such an expensive device for spreadsheets, documents and video calls
@The Handy Historian its dumb to buy anything that is out of peoples price. If you dont have the budget, dont buy it. If you do think that item will make a difference in your personal/business life, then invest in it
The gaming and productivity benchmarks are way more likely based on the 8gb of memory in your config rather than thermal throttling.
I did run temp tests. The frame drops always occurred once the avg thermals hit 40c surface temp or higher. Additionally I always optimized the settings to the point 8gb ram can sustain.
Is the 8gb ram version pretty decent? just for office 365, netflix and browsing opened?
"Kinda competes with the iPad pro kinda doesn't", the surface devices are full fledged computers with full windows operating systems and they double as a tablet. This dude is completely biased.
Thanks for the feedback! The best part of a review is that you don't have to agree with it :)
Great review. What keyboard are you using there? Please reply with it's details or post them in the video description.
Hey, it’s the NuPhy Air 75 keyboard.
The hole point is to get the carbon fiber keyboard for the typing, trackpad, and a place to store the "Marker"
Indeed and MS charges you an additional $200 premium to achieve that.
I can connect this to my other two monitors & it won't overheat
I'll just be using this for Stocks and small steam gams
Great review
Thank you!
The Surface Pro 8 ships with Windows 11 pre-installed, and that OS gets a lot of complaints for battery drain compared to Windows 10.
is the 13" display good enough to play on? or do i need a monitor
Pretty good video - My thoughts on the Pro 8 and who it's for:
If people have paid this amount of money for a Windows PC and they aren't using it to run a business that makes them way more money I think they've probably overspent personally.....These aren't expensive in terms of a business device if it helps you to collaborate better and ultimately make more money by making your business more successful.
If you aren't going to make extensive use of both the laptop mode (with type cover) and the pen I don't think it's the right device. To me the price of the keyboard and pen are OK if you're using this every day - The fact you can move the keyboard over to your next Pro, or replace the keyboard if it breaks do help with the cost going forwards.
The Pro range (compared to laptops) has some obvious trade-offs but the whole thing about overheating and poor performance seems to have evaded me over the years. I've use Pro 3, Pro 5 (2017) and Pro 8 extensively and they have always handled dev work, office work required to run a business just fine - I don't run virtual machines locally, I don't do anything with video editing (something YT reviews are obviously going to focus on when it comes to performance)
Battery life isn't great I agree, but it's a tablet form factor along the lines of an iPad Pro - iPad Pro is amazing at sleeping and not using any power, the 10 hours you can get from iPad Pro is for video over WiFi, I can easily hammer my iPad Pro and get it's battery life down to ~4 to 6 hours of actual use - All depends what you're using these for, honestly.
Like anything has it's pros and cons, I don't think the price is that ridiculous compared to other products in this class. In terms of Windows devices it's packing everything you could want - Here's hoping that the next ARM iterations to replace the Pro X will have much better battery life (compared to Pro 8) and better performance (than Pro X SQ1/SQ2)
I loved the detailed analysis, its always nice to see these. I agree that the ARM iteration of Surface will hopefully change things for MS.
Is it a problem that Surface Pro 8 uses up 40% of the battery for 1 hour to browse web pages online?
@@yesspaces I’ve not experienced a 40% loss just browsing for an hour, but I use Edge which sleeps tabs automatically. Not sure if that’s also in Chrome.
I do agree battery is the worst part it seems particularly bad since they moved to Pro 8, Pro 7 was at least half decent.
Like I said it’s easy to be a bit unfair to the Pro 8. For example I used my 11” iPad Pro to do a 1 hour Teams call on Friday and lost 22% battery.
Everybody thinks the iPad has unbelievable battery life but certain tasks like this hammer it just as much as a Pro 8. iPad stands up way better for browsing though I agree.
I have had a bad experience with the last pro 7 model. Touchscreen became unresponsive suddenly, type cover randomly stopped working. I haven't really taken the laptop outside and it was religiously cared for. Worst of all the support team did not know what was wrong with it and wanted me to pay for a replacement. Gave up on the Microsoft lineup in general and am now in the process of switching to macos, hope the surface pro 8 has none of these issues though, I've heard Asus has a similar product in their lineup!
warning, warning, troll alert. trolls like to:
1. make up nonexistant problems with devices that they don't actually own
2. always say that they took care of the product,
3. claim customer service didn't know what the problem was or how to fix it, and
4. for these reason they won't buy another device from this company
trolls will never tell you what specific model they had, how much it costs, exactly how long they owned the device, what they used to device for, or any other specific information. this allows them to post the same comment on totally different devices and a multitude of tech channels.
Had similar problems with my surface pro 8... screen had a constant flicker, would randomly crash, and the type cover would randomly disconnect, applications became unresponsive to the slim pen etc. and required rebooting. When the screen randomly died part way through an online lecture (while still being able to hear my lecturer talking), I decided to return it! Got a replacement, and it lasted for a month or two before the same problems began popping up again! Got a refund, and now I'm happily on an M1 Macbook Air and loving it! MacOs is a bit of a learning curve though haha.
Funny thing is, my wife also owns a Surface Pro 8, and had to return it last week due to crashing issues, a kickstand that didn't remain rigid, and the charging port stopped working! She received her replacement today so I guess only time will tell if this new one will work 😂
Long story short, between the two of us, 3 out of 4 (so far) Surface Pro 8s that we've owned have had serious issues that are unacceptable for a premium priced device.
Is it worth getting the 8 over the 7 pro?
What Keyboard and Mouse do u use for the Surface Pro 8?
KB: NuPhy Air75
Mouse: Logitech MX Master Series
Is it a problem that Surface Pro 8 uses up 40% of the battery for 1 hour to browse web pages online?
Yeah well, even though Surface Pro isn't without its quirkiness, I'd choose surface pro anytime over iPad Pro. Simply because, Office 365 on iPad, sadly, is not the answer for corporate slave like me. And Ms. Office, again sadly, is an essential tool to make our living. So having a full Ms. Office experience in such a small form factor is still appealing to corporate workers.
Please do an iPad pro 12.9 inch review with 8gb ram and 128 GB of storage space please
I’ll add it to the list!
The good for the i7 version:
- Good for data analysts with heavy Excel and Power BI use.
- Great display.
Cons:
- Battery life is trash 🗑. Mostly due to extreme power and display in a frame too small to carry it.
- Not good for intensive video editing or high end coding (C, C++, Rust, nor Java).
just bought it. love it
Nice!
I will wait for the Pro 9. The battery is disappointing. Any idea when we could see the Pro 9 released?
I think the Pro 9 will come in the last Quarter of 2022.
A big issue with the battery if they haven't put adaptive refresh rate into Windows 11 yet.....at least not properly. It only lowers to 60hz when a full screen video is playing - Really wish they'd got this in by now as it really is needed.
This is probably why the device defaults to 60hz out of the box, but to me it's not worth using it at 60hz as the whole point of the Pro range is to make use of the pen, and it's way better at 120Hz (the same way the Apple Pencil is way better on an iPad Pro rather than a cheaper iPad with lower refresh rate)
I think because the Pro range has been around for so long, people forget it's a bit of a niche device and you really want to be that niche target user if you're going to buy one or you're probably better off with a laptop or just an iPad w/ magic keyboard cover
I think 16G would do much better. Saw a couple of reviews (mostly 16G) and performance looks better and using snappier.
The issue isnt so much with the capability of the device. Rather it's to do with that fact that it heats up too much due to low dissipation space.
@@SoulOfTech In comparison to SP7 i5 without active cooling, there are (based on benchmarks) much better results. First time hearing of some major cpu throttling. For my tasks (surfing, content consumption and some casual gaming), I think it will be fine. Thanks.
@@xFLESHIx how’s it been working for you? I was thinking of getting the SP8 for 3D cad work
@@keys299 great! I am gaming using Xbox game pass cloud gaming as well, love the portability.
i liked your keyboard, which brand it is???
hey there, details in the video description.
Good review. I am buying a pre owned surface pro 7. General use mostly. No photo editing. The screen looks great and have a monitor desk set up with a Logitech ms keys keyboard and mouse which it will fit in well with. I can also pick up a pre owned keyboard if I need to.
Thanks for the review.
The I5 10th gen will be fine for my needs.
Thanks for watching!
☹I've had 2 generations of Surface Pro, the latest being the 7. They work fine for about a year. The earlier model with the screen buzz became unusable at about 13 months, thus out of warranty. Microsoft wouldn't lift a finger to do anything. So, like a sheep (and because I liked the ultra-HD screen resolution), and after reading many reviews on the 7 model, I sunk another $1.4k into it. It worked fine. No screen issues at all. Drove all my peripherals just fine. I work with typically 7 to 10 windows open at any given time, and the did just great......until the day it died...about 16 months after it came to me, all spanking new and wonderful. Not even a blue screen. Wouldn't boot up even with professional help from two IT professionals. The problem with these solid state hard drives is that there is no way they can be revived, even with "recovery" software. They just plain die, and you're left with a very expensive, very flat, brick. My advice, after my spending over $2,500 on these-- DO NOT buy a Microsoft Surface Pro.
One Piece! Doflamingo and Luffy becoming gear 4!
OP is awesome!
Do you think that if I run a i7 Intel 16GB with this, my video editing will be smoother?
The issue is related to thermals mostly but you will get slightly better performance for sire
Is this i5 or i7, would working off an external hard drive help performance when video editing?
It's the i5. The review explain the issue with performance, its more to do with thermals.
@@SoulOfTech Probably better with either a non-Surface device or the Surface Laptop Studio for video editing, it isn't really the target use case for the Surface Pro based on how it's marketed etc. You can ignore the word "Pro" in most devices it's just marketing and doesn't mean it works for all Pro workflows....iPad Pro for example isn't really "Pro" for a professional software developer, but there are numerous successful RUclips channels where the host does all their editing from the iPad Pro.
i rly like that keyobard, where can i buy one? What the model name?
Nuphy Air 60 or 75
@@MillennialTechNick thx for the answer, already have air75 and loving it ;)
Could you share what keyboard you use in this video?
NuPhy Air 75
Try I7cpu for games and rendering
Hi, I recenty build a new pc (ryzen 9, rtx 4070 ti) So I rlly don't need a laptop/tablet for its performance, however I need a decent one to do some light coding on the way and to take notes at university, anyone in the same situation/knows if surface pro 8 is a good option?
So working in a air conditioned room, a I7 and 16 Go of ram should solve the the thermal and throttling issue?
A cooler room always helps a little. I would not go as far as to say it will completely solve it.
@@SoulOfTech i ordered a SP8 I7 16 256.I Plan to use it as secondary device for drawings in photoshop and illustrator, 2D animation, 1080 p vidéo editing in adobe première and as a base to start Light 3D project in blender to complete on my 2080 RTXed desktop....but according to your test I made a big mistake...
@@michaelzouzoukov6936 I have i7/16GB/256GB model and it gets quite warm doing simple drawing in photoshop. Not to speak of all the blue screens and problems not getting 4K 60hz out of it, wireless mouse disconnecting randomly, etc. Not sure if you've got yours yet, but I wouldn't recommend it...
I love the form factor and the screen, but man, it's been a huge disappointment. I think this lineup will be perfect once they get good ARM chip in (yes SPX exists, but it's even more underpowered) or at least AMD if they stick with x86. But until then I'd pass on it. I'm unfortunstely stuck with mine, so I guess I'll just have to live with it or try selling it while I can.
@@kristiankivijarvi3870 its strange.I have got mine since one week now and I m not experiencing all the issues People are talking about.yes it become warmer when doing photoshop or even short 4k editing.but it works Just fine.no bluescreen,stutturing or overheating issues.My experience on SP8 is quite enjoyable.I use it as secondary computer starting animations, illustrations and even video editing projets that I can finish later on my desktop.and it fills this task quite well.I often work in a cool environment so maybe it helps to maintain overhall good performances.I know the limited power of the device so I only installed essentials softwares.No games or entertaining ones.I notice the sp8 can become very hot on when installing updates but apart of this its ok.Maybe I m Just Lucky.
@@kristiankivijarvi3870 Did you install all windows and surface firmware updates? What bluescreen error code do you receive?
Will they release a new surface pro now in 2022?
I wish for a 32 gb ram 24 gb gpu vram and 4 tb storage for pen testing
We will most likely see a 12th gen version towards the last quarter of the year.
@@SoulOfTech do you think it will come with an i9 and 32 gb ram instead as a developed version? Or what do you believe they will focus on for this year’s model?
I stopped watching after the part where you said that the cover isnt worth the price. Whats the point owning a portable windows machine like this, and hooking up a full sized keyboard to it... lmao.. just get a normal laptop at that point.
Fair point. It's for the folks who collaborate while doing other office tasks. They need to be able to bring their machine anywhere , and do some medium load work
How did you connect the keyboard and mouse without usb ?
Bluetooth?
BT connection.
What is the keyboard you are using??
NuPhy Air 75. You can find a dedicated review on my channel about it too.
@@SoulOfTech Did you connect the keyboard via bluetooth?
@@jonmassengale yes the KB and Mouse as well.
@@SoulOfTech Thanks a lot
Appreciate your honesty, I’ll stay with apple
No worries!
I have terrible experiences with both. Macbook Pro sucks, just got this one and it sucks too! I wonder when can I finally get what I pay for, twice in a row buying +2K device that's subpar borderline garbage.
is there any ports for mouse?
Hi there, details in the design and ports chapter.
I got a Surface laptop (3, I believe) from my father, who could not get it to work correctly upon purchase. I found out why: the display showed a strip meaning a defective component (which was later quoted for $700+ to be replaced beyond warranty), the keyboard section began to get bloated from the presumably bloated battery, and the computer would show the blue screen of death once a month. MS makes excellent software, but they are not a great hardware maker in any sense... I will likely be choosing a Macbook as a work laptop due to this experience...
So can this record a voice when when it’s closed? Like if someone was talking to you.
9:19 Aye, One Piece!
OP 4 Life!
Might as well buy a Macbook Air for this price and a cheap $200 ish tablet for taking notes rather than an all-in-one.
That is a very fair point.
I chose the Surface Pro just for this reason, not interested in hanging around with both a tablet and a laptop. As a student it is uncomfortable and heavy
@@msp5138 why so angry? I didn’t realize acknowledging something makes me a “fan boy”. Also the M1 Air’s do not suffer from thermal throttling, I believe you are referring to the older Intel based models.
The slim pen is a niche item? Dog what? The pen is like half the reason to get a 2 in 1
The pen in itself is not a niche item. It’s pricing and pre planned exclusiveness does however market it as one.
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THIS is the review I should have watched before getting the device. Pretty much every reviewer gave glowing recommendations and I listened, but man, this thing kinda sucks. I've had two blue screens within the first week, one time it got stuck in black screen for an hour or so, yay. Then 4K 60hz signal doesn't work, it looks distorted and noisy like a broken VHS tape from the 90s. Also, my wireless mouse keeps disconnecting for no reason AND as icing on the cake, yes, it gets hot and throttles - it's uncomfortably hot even while doing simple drawing in photoshop. Absolute garbage, I cannot believe I paid 2K for this and am now stuck with it. Stay away people!
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. I've gotten my fair share of hate for not having the same opinion as the mainstream reviews.
at the end you made it sound like the ipad pro is a better device in general, which is not true
The iPad Pro was just a point of reference it was not intended as a direct comparison. With that said the Surface Pro suffers in the performance department which is why I used the iPad a reference of better performance.
My surface pro 8 is horrible! I have the model with the same specs. I don’t game or do anything crazy. All I did was web browse and take notes with the pen and it would overheat and lag like crazy. Exchanging it this week. Hoping I get a better copy.
YEAH, SUUURRRE!!!
Battery life is 10-11 hours per PCMark 10 battery test. If you don't use a standardized test, your battery results are not creditable, replicable, or useful. And iPad Pros have about 5-6 hours of battery life per Windows Central.
As for expensive, who buys tech, or anything else, at full retail price? Best Buy, Amazon, and MS all have sales all the time (which is every other month). MS just finished an Easter sale where Surface Pro 8s were discounted between $200-$350 depending on the model.
Bonjour : )
Hello!
I had iPads/pro and the Surface Pro 8 that I am typing on is a PRO (I do not care about RUclips Clowns and editing VIDEO!) device that beats the iPads. iPads with a keyboard, $400 what a joke. I will take the Surface Pro all day LONG!
As long as you’re happy that is all that matters! Have a great day 😃