This is literally the sanest take on the situation I've heard since it happened. I wish more people would follow this example and actually think these things through instead of keeping with their first reactions.
Do you think adults should hit their children? If you do, than this is an acceptable response. If you don't like Will Smith's reaction, then prevent adults from spanking children.
My grandfather always tell me: The moment you answer the prankster with violence. *You already lost.* Smith only came out as weak in this, Rock coming out as the bigger man for not responding in an equal manner.
Your grandpa said bs or just trolled you, congrats. No bully will stop shitting on someone unless you personally somehow will stop him, and that's not with words.
He definitely did. The biggest problem for will? All of the people that never cared about celebrity gossip or knew anything about his family life now know everything about his family life and his cuckold status. Those videos of his wife talking about fucking other men while sitting right in front of will and the camera now have 100’s of thousands if not millions of more views. He has absolutely destroyed his reputation to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex.
@bastiat alot of people get this wrong. In biblical days being back handed was a sign of disrespect, to turn the other cheek to be slapped again they would have to use and open palm which signified equal footing. It wasnt about letting yourself get treated poorly, it was about doing a chad move and forcing your enemy into respect with wisdom
_"My bitterness ruined what should have been the greatest night of my life"_- *Sideshow Bob on his Emmy win.* This quote applies to Will's Best Actor win. He won the Oscar, but lost the respect of the public.
what you're saying is... the punishment Will should face is, to be smacked in the face with rake handles for a solid half hour? Kelsey Grammar was such a brilliant casting choice for Bob...
RIGHT? I have a hair loss issue, and I'm a little self conscious about it... but I'm not gonna lie, if I went full-in and shaved my head, *I'D DEFINITELY BE LAUGHING AT A G.I. JANE JOKE* She was the hero of the story... AND SHE WON... *SO AT THE END OF THE DAY THE JOKE IS ALL IN GOOD FUN*
I can see the joke being offensive to her. That doesn't in anyway justify Will's Neanderthal-like reaction. But I can see the joke landing flat for her.
@@RequiemPoete Can we stop using Neanderthal as an insult. The Neanderthals were fairly intelligent. They survived longer in harsher climates than Homo sapiens. They used language along with stone tools, and they were capable,of symbolic thought. There's even evidence that they had rituals for their dead.
@@Quinntus79 And it's a fact they lived much more brutal and violent lives. Despite being nearly as smart as Sapians, Neanderthals never invented the kind of ranged weaponry. This was because their stronger and tougher frame allowed them to tank a hit from prey animals that would be game enders to other Homoinids. So I stand by my insult of comparing Smith to a Neanderthal, not for being stupid, but for choosing the more violent option.
More importantly, Chris rock was EMPLOYED BY THE ACADEMY TO MAKE THOSE JOKES!! Crazy how someone could be assaulted at their job and there are no repercussions for the assaulter!! However you feel about those jokes they are APPROVED before they are even said. Will took his frustrations on the wrong party . Now this holds the consequences of comedians not feeling SAFE enough to do what they were PAID to do.
Regardless of Will's actions, Chris handled it like a champ, getting the show back on the road as soon as possible. For that, I respect the dude, even if a GI Jane reference was outdated as shit.
What people often forget about this whole "might makes right" attitude regarding the use of violence to silence speech they don't like is that the "might" isn't always going to be on your side and if you think it's okay to use violence to silence others it may not be long before others think it's okay to use violence to silence you.
@@richardnash6111 there's a saying that everyone tends to forget you reap what you sow and if someone hits will Smith not saying they should he shouldn't complain after all he wants to assault someone only right to happen back
There's something my dad used to tell me when I was little: "you answer fists with fists and words with words. If you answer fists with words or words with fists, you lost not just the argument but your dignity as a man."
The entire world laughed when Dave Chappelle made fun of R. Kelly peeing on an underaged girl, despite how wrong it was. The entire world laughed when EVERY comedian made jokes about Michael Jackson ranging from child molestation charges, to the color of his skin, to him being abused as a child all the way until and even after his death. But because Chris Rock made a joke about someone's hair... He went too far, and deserved to be hit? If the format of comedy can no longer be subjective, even the SLIGHTEST bit provocative or challenging, and we lose the ability to laugh at ourselves from time to time, then what the hell are we supposed to laugh at?
Times have changed and people are equally disgusted by the r. Kelly and MJ jokes now so it's not really a fair comparison. A better example would be if a comedian tried to make those jokes today
Thank you for speaking rationally. This comes from that "words are violence" bullshit. I hate it. Just because words hurt your feelings, that doesn't make it violence and it doesn't mean you can go and physically lash out at someone.
You certainly were not psychologically abused, do you think all bullies are hitting people? No, with me they tried to break me and they couldn't, but that doesn't mean it was not violent, because they succeded with others, when you say "words are not violence" what you mean is that one off comments are not violence, because you can kill people without ever laying a finger on them, if in your opinion pushing people into suicide is not more violent than kicking someone then i think we have very different definitions in what is violence. If you want to get away with killing someone just use words to kill them, you will succeed and you will not have to face any repercussions, because it is just words.
@@InfernosReaper nope, just the first part, words can be violence, to say they can't is just tone deaf, i would also slapped him, knowing it is not the correct response, will should get the consequences that should have come with that
"He was defending his wife's honor!" Judging by what's been said in the past; what fucking honor? This is just misdirected aggression, period. That folks are condoning it is disgusting.
Pretty much summed up. He’s fine with multiple guys getting inside his wife’s guts, including some that are the same age as his son, but a terribly lame joke barely at her expense is crossing the line? I’ve said it hundreds of times, but if you can take a dick, why can’t you take a joke?
Do you think adults should hit their children? If you do, than this is an acceptable response. If you don't like Will Smith's reaction, then prevent adults from spanking children.
Even if you think Chris went too far (which I don't, but it's fine if you disagree with me, I get it) I can not defend Will. Assaulting a comedian hosting an event where the Host traditionally roasts and ribs the nominees is out of line. He stained his winning an award and is lucky Chris has had such class during all of this.
Will Smith should have been escorted outside the building at the very least. I hated seeing how Chris Rock was kind of left hanging and no one else came to help defuse the situation or defend him. I think Chris Rock handled it very well given the circumstances though
@@Strideo1 honesty no, for what he felt was done what he should have done after the slap is just walk away without a word, in his place i probably would have slapped him, said fuck you and leave
People who said Chris went too far are just white knight simps or feminist weak willed women who think women should be exempt from jokes because alopecia has always made men the butt of a joke for ages without issue. So much so that even bald men themselves make light of it.
I still say what in the actual hell was Will Smith thinking?...because if he thought purposely slapping someone on live tv wasn't gonna make him look bad he thought wrong.
He was thinking that, "Oh no I laughed at his joke that my (cheating) wife didn't like. I better stand up for her (even though she wouldn't do that for me and instead lie down for other men)." He was thinking like a dog. Waiting for the order from his master. In this case his wife.
I think he wasn't considering that in the heat of the moment (and by that I mean I think will felt more enraged about his wife's reaction moreso than anything else, causing him to not rationalize the situation thoroughly). Not an excuse or justification, but rather the most innocent/positive reasoning I can think of.
Look up "Will Smith wife cheated on him". Literally has a video with millions of views talking to Will about how empowering it was. Will didn't think shit, dudes a broken man.
It seems a lot of people in the modern generation, thought the phrase “be the bigger man” was meant to silence people with genuine issues instead of what it actually is which is growing up and learning to deal with others.
@@Zerpderp0 Wife was bald, wife played a bald character in some movie years ago, Chris suggests she’s making a sequel that’s why she’s bald. Actual reason is due to an immune disorder. Will angry, commit violence.
@@POIUYTREWQ62 that's neither funny nor offensive. I thought he was talking about seeing her being in a movie where she is raped because that's what the first GI Jane was about.
If Will Smith just yelled a Chris, like he did after hitting him, that would have been an acceptable response. The fact that some people think that assault is an acceptable response is mind boggling.
What could have been better is if Will Smith would have walked up to Chris Rock and explained to him WHY that joke was bad. Or be petty about it during his acceptance speech. There were million other ways to go about the situation.
Yeah, I have a problem with "it's just a joke" because jokes are still part of discourse and reasonable to criticize. But escalation to violence is different
The fact that Will is going to get away with assault says more than enough. He could have let it slide(Jada doesn't even respect him) or just sat in his chair and said that. Laughing, then pretending to be outraged after she glared at him just made it seem like a stunt. Sensationalism out of 10 tbh.
@@DevaPein Assault refers to the wrong act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm. Battery is the physical attack in response. You could argue that Will walking up to Chris and the way he yelled could cause fear of imminent harm. Thus, it was Assault and Battery.
@@POIUYTREWQ62 i am clearly saying he did not only committee assault and that is a downplay of the actual assailants crimes but it is now pointed out clearly for you. you're welcome edit: o i missed not "just" assault. I am the dumb dumb there lol
One of the biggest problems we have today is people thinking it’s acceptable to resort to violence when someone hurts there feelings or somebody they like/loves feelings. Like I’ve seen adult try to fight literal children over there children if they were being bullied or picked on and I’m not at all trying to say bullying is ok but there’s always ways to handle situations like this. If smith would’ve just yelled at Chris it would been acceptable but choosing violence simply because u don’t like something somebody saids is way passed unjustifiable.
I never understood anyone who believes in physical violence against someone who disagrees with them. They might hit back even harder or might not fear the consequences.
Never thought of this option, you’re right. Will could’ve clapped back with his own joke. Something infinitely manlier and cooler in the modern day then hitting someone due to hurt feelings.
@@mrpizzacat8273 CR is more than a foot shorter and probably 50-60 pounds lighter than will too, makes it even worse. Maybe if the presenter was 6’ 7 and 320 lbs it would be somewhat admirable but this just has terrible optics, combined with everyone that didn’t give a shit about his personal life now knows everything about his life. Those videos of his wife admitting to cheating in front of him have gotten alot more views since then.
We all should have learned in kindergarten that you don't get to hit someone because they said something you don't like. Will Smith is a classless punk. That's just how I feel about it. My level of emotion about it is extremely low.
My parents and even little brother who read his book respected Will. I get it, he was pretty respectable. But this...c'mon. I think he'll be happier if he leaves Jada. The kids are all grown up right? Now he's a POS.
It was definitely an impulse moment, I doubt he was thinking at all. Look at his face when he walks away, he's smiling like he's all proud of himself. When he sat down I think that's when the embarrassment started to kick in, which is why he started cursing the way he did.
I was going to say that this isn't a hot take, it's the sane and reasonable take... Then I remembered how a lot of people are reacting to this. Yeah, sadly, this may well qualify as a hot take
I wouldn't call this a hot take. Most people on the internet are taking the same stance, even some people in Hollywood are calling Will out. It's just that there are still a good number of people trying to defend him, and a lot of those people are the usual "feelings matter" suspects.
@@ShadyDoorags Agreed. It's just that the chronically online who usually draw vore rule 34 or right blogs on how Spongebob upholds heteronormative patriarchal standards won't stop whining about it, so it seems like a lot more people than it does.
@@VagabondRetro who.. Who is saying that about sponge bob? I'm not calling you out just actually wondering though not surprised if there's some who says this.
@@jaimemarquez1469 not that I know what the hell you’re on, but I believe OP meant the _King of the Hill_ episode that shady showed a clip of at the beginning.
@@jaimemarquez1469 I think they meant the message in the video (if you consider videos akin to episodes, though as the person above me mentioned the message is still there). I hope it becomes a relic where those decades from now looks back and think "this is obvious, why even need to mention it?"
Two points of notice: 1. Will apologized to the Oscars, NOT to Chris. 2. You can't protect the honor of someone who has none. Not sure how much honor Jada has when she's running around with men her son's age in front of Will, and then airing out all that to everyone.
My biggest fear from this is the implication of assault being normalized. What does it say if you can do something like this and then act like nothing happens?
This and Jim Carey’s take are the best takes on this. Jim himself basically said what Shady did. “It doesn’t give you the right assault someone for saying words.”
I find it ironic how we have so many sayings like "Sticks and stones may break my bones" but nobody ever listens to them. Like... Come on, there's a reason those are sayings in the first place. Its like how they say "don't judge a book by its cover" despite everyone doing just that _all_ the time.
Will should've talked to this man in the back about how he felt afterwards instead of just assaulting him. Is terrible on the grounds that Jada has him wrapped around his finger and she broke this man in more ways than one.
“If I can do anything on my channel, it would be to make people laugh.” You do something much more important for me in your videos. You make me think and evaluate the way I see other people in my life. Actions say a lot, but the intent behind those actions is a major factor worth considering. I can’t wait for the next video; all the thumbs up.
I agree with everything you said. It's funny how if Will Smith had just NOT slapped Chris rock, then the victim would instead be Jada - not Chris. You can't just hit someone anytime you disagree with them. That's not how that works, that not how any of that works. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
@Bla Bla Yeah, that's a good point. You never know with today's internet temperature who will get cancelled over the dumbest things, though. It probably was more forgettable than I am thinking. I just think the world is thirsty for drama right now, tbh.
I was amazed at how many people I lost respect for over this, including Essay RUclipsrs I held in very high regard, making unhinged claims like "some people deserve to be assaulted" and "our society has moved past the need for comedians." Clearly Not.
Should it even have been seen as an insult in the first place? "G.I. Jane" was always seen as a progressive film with Demi Moore getting praise for cutting her long hair for the role. And having a sequel starring Moore AND Jada Pickett-Smith would be pretty marketable. Yes, in the Black community, hair is a big part in our culture but so is women sporting short or bald hair i.e. Grace Jones and the women of the "Black Panther" franchise. So why would Jada be offended when she looks good with short hair and can afford wiggs and other treatment for alopecia?
I wasn't sure how to feel about the whole ordeal personally, because on the one hand, you should always stand by your significant other, but on the other, it was a joke, a bad one, but still a joke, your video has made me decide where I stand, and it's not with people saying assaulting a man for a joke is okay, thank you for posting this video.
I mean, he could have just quietly supported her. No one made the man slap anyone. If Jada was bothered they easily could have just talked about it later, hell, maybe even just said something to Chris privately. Now Will looks like a jerk and Jada is getting slammed for not finding the joke funny and people are acting as though she forced his hand. They have every right to feel however they like but Will was out of line.
as a married woman, there's a way to stand by your s/o. Chris's words weren't threatening/actually harmful etc. if Chris said something that was more along the lines of sexual harassment/a threat a fist to the face would have been appropriate, because that is an actual threat, even if it's just words. but Chris made a harmless joke that her shaved head made her look militant. that's it. if will wanted to defend his wife the proper way, he could have simply gone up and said something on stage, instead of physically attacking Chris over it. my husband had to put one of his friends in his place when we first started dating because he started talking down to me. didn't hit the dude. just took a very mean tone, got in his face, and told him "you don't talk to my girlfriend like that". Wills slap reeks of insecurity. he thought the joke was funny until Jada told him something, and he overcompensates by assaulting the person telling the joke. he didn't slap Chris because he was offended. he slapped Chris to appease Jada, and then has the gull to go up on stage, accept an award, and make a crybaby piss face speech about how he's the victim and gets the whole room to stand up and applaud him. it's all gross. nothing honorable in any of this.
@@fireemberess I find it weird that the same Twitter brain lit who complains about toxic masculinity is suddenly back-peddled to back up will. What Will did is an actual example of toxic masculinity, overreacting violently to something insignificant just to please his wife.
You know I used to be on the fence about this...but not anymore. Great points have been made that has convinced me Will was absolutely in the wrong on this. Although I do think there are exceptions such as when someone is continuously harassing you and refuse to stop but you're totally right in this, I can't believe I didn't connect the concerning subjects that I have noticed with people advocating for violence against speech you found offense to this.
I had a bully at my work who would say mean stuff to me. Even though I wanted to slap the shit out of him, I didn't because it would say more about me than him. Luckily, the douche transfered so all is well.
Thank you for this video Shady. I’m really glad I found your channel because it’s hard to find people on this platform that will willingly speak their minds, especially rational ones, out of fear of being deplatformed/canceled. I get that Chris’ wife has a condition, and maybe the joke was in poor taste. Still, it’s entirely wrong to to respond to words with violence, because it perpetuates a very terrible mindset and it’s plaguing many in our society as we speak. If people can get away with violence so long as it’s under the guise of defending someone’s honor or because your feelings are hurt, then much worse things than a slap can be “justified”. There are people that are probably justifying it because “it’s just a slap, he’ll be fine.” And yes, but these are the same types of people that would laugh if someone was murdered for example, calling someone a racial slur. They would try to justify it based on the extremity of what was said. It saddens me that instead of showing someone why their actions are wrong and why it should not be repeated, there are people jumping straight to “hurt/kill them.” It’s a very backwards, childish way to think. Even though this situation is pretty tame compared that, it’s still spreading a messed up message that says “You can hurt people so long as it hurts yours or someone else’s feelings.” (Sorry for the essay post)
The thing I have come out hating most of this is treating baldness as some kind of debilitating disease. I seriously didn't know from how the issue has been discussed that this that Jada has pattern baldness. I have male pattern baldness and I shave my head because I didn't want to be some sad sack with a comb over. I give zero shits about anyone joking about it and I actually welcome it.
Your missing a very important point. SFO pointed this out. Chris said "that was a good one" insinuating he could actually talk about something deeper about those two. Will isnt over his wife sleeping with people.
Well that's what happens when you get violent in a reward ceremony. He is professional and he didn't act like it. It is sad, and not a fully appropriate response, but it was inevitable.
He bragged about it afterwards basically and didn’t really apologize until after people started to talk about consequences to Chris rock. what’s really sad is Will Smith needs to go to rehab for like a year or two for his mental health and won’t. That’s the real tragedy here
I saw this take from Lewis spears, an Aussie comedian who said “if will Smith didn’t slap Chris rock, we wouldn’t be talking about jada today” and that’s super accurate 😂
I remember on Twitter one artist said Chris deserved it, and I couldn't help but call them out on it. The artist responded with "it was just a slap" and so I responded with "and it was just a joke" and that was that.
Frankly, my reaction to this whole ordeal has been like how my parents have probably felt about my life choices: Disappointed. Just like many other people I imagine, I love Chris Rock and Will Smith and have been fans of them since I was kid watching their more child-friendly projects to their more real and adult material. But to see one of my childhood heroes assault another one of my childhood heroes and for people to say that he was justified in doing so, makes me really question the mentality of those people and the entirety of this messed up landscape we live in. Don't get me wrong, what Chris said was offensive, but I could probably bet my entire life savings that he's told a joke far more offensive than the one he told at the Oscars. And honestly, I have to agree with what Jim Carrey said in an interview regarding the situation that it "sickens" me to see something like this happen, cause it not only ruined Chris and Will's night, but it ruined the whole event for the people who worked hard and made the effort to get there and that what transpired between Will and Chris is going to overshadow everything positive that could've been taken away from this. Should Will face repercussions for his actions? Absolutely. Was Chris in the wrong for the joke he told? Undoubtedly. However, not matter how far you stretch it, there is no acceptable reason for a man to "slap the sh*t" out of another man just for doing his job. I'm sorry that this post is so long, but I hope you understand where i'm coming from and I thank you for making the effort to read it. @ShadyDoorags Great video man, very topical and I loved the King of the Hill reference at the beginning :)
First thing, even though this wasn't considered "normal content" for you, I really enjoyed this video! Honestly I wish you would do more stuff like this because you advocate your points very well. Second, I completely agree with everything you said. If i'm to be completely honest, I thought Will's actions AT FIRST were justifiable (the slap, not the cursing him out part). Then when I thought more about it, I really thought that Will strolling up to the stage, assaulting a man for a JOKE, and facing zero consequences was okay. I was VERY wrong in that mindset and glad I changed my way of thinking there. The way this was handled by Will was completely inexcusable, and I honestly think the poor man has been losing it ever since Jada's affair (not an excuse for his actions, though).
That last quote was beautiful. I think it was funny what happened but I disagree with Chris getting punched. What he did was the equivalent to punching an actor that played your spouse and your actual spouse didn't like their performance.
Love this take--this is kindergarten stuff. Student: He said these words that made me mad, so I hit him. Teacher: We can talk later about what he said and whether it was right or wrong. Right now, you need to learn to keep your hands to yourself.
Originally I was glad you pinned the brilliant moment from King of the Hill, but now I'm just glad you brought up the topic of assault in general and how it has progressively become more and more acceptable to commit assault simply because someone is offended. Let alone becoming offended on SOMEONE ELSE'S behalf. If you are reading this and not seeing the problem with this scenario, let me put it this way and take it from a guy who dedicated 7 years of his life getting a blackbelt in Kali (largely weapons based and militaristically used) and learning about domestic affairs: Depending on what state you are in, the moment you decide to escalate a verbal fight into a physical one, you could LEGALLY be stabbed or shot. Where I live, as a man I could turn you into a man meat filet and my justice system wouldn't give a fuck less because it'd still count as self defense. If you were a woman though? My guy, they care about women here. Women can jump straight to the gun and smoke your ass. So forget fist fights for a moment. Forget that the person you are fucking with might and very well could break you like a toothpick or simply knows how to actually fight (Because I know no trained fighters who do this small dick energy stuff), your ass could be straight up murdered on the spot and the law would side with the person responsible all because you couldn't take a fucking joke. Do you want some practical advice on what to do when someone offends you? GROW SOME THICKER SKIN AND REALIZE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ALONG WITH EVERYONE. Verbal exchanges and brawls are two completely different things and you don't get to just start shit because someone hurt your feelings, and for good reason. So let's return to the moment between Chris Rock and Will Smith, because this is not the first time Will has slapped the shit out of someone for stupid reasons. He chose Chris because he thought he could get away with it. He was trying to assert dominance and scare him; appear like the bigger, more aggressive man. Except he did so by walking up without making eye contact and keeping his arm lowered. It was a sucker punch; legitimately the lowest, most sly thing you can do to get one in on someone, a move ANYONE can pull off because it preys on the other person not knowing its coming. And for what? To defend the honor of a cheating wife who has turned your whole legacy into a joke? Brother, imagine if Chris Rock actually gave enough of a fuck to fight back. It would have been YOUR ass in jail. I'm with you Shady. I have always been a fan of Will up until this moment. I've just lost all respect for him.
Agreed with everything you said here! It's a real shame Will didn't face any consequences to slapping Chris had it been anyone of less fame they'd be arrested regardless of Chris pressing charges or not. Because let's face assault is a crime. Will at the very least should have been escorted out not handed his award and applauded. Also Will was laughing at the G.I Jane joke he didn't slap Chris until he saw Jada look offended.
Will really was one of my biggest inspirations on a personal level. I had a mix of anger and disappointment with his actions. I don't want this to be the end of his career in a cancel sense but I can't say it wouldn't be deserved either.
People have forgotten where the lime between entertainment and real life is nowadays. I can only assume a lifetime of having screens in our faces 24/7 has done us no favors, but regardless, people have forgotten that entertainment is about free speech, and when you take away that freedom in the name of "emotional defense" you cut a large part of what made us so great along with it. As always Shady, well done with your analysis!
There's been times where people have said things to me and I did in fact want to do much worse than slapping them. The reason I *DIDN'T* engage in violence because that's a surefire way to make the situation a thousand times worse.
My two cents on the matter; In comedy, there are few things that you aren’t able to make fun of (such as directly making fun of a kid for having cancer in a mean-spirited way) and there’s a time and a place for certain jokes (I personally agree that Chris making a joke at the expense of Jada’s alopecia might be stepping on a few toes), but that’s no justification for striking the joke-teller and cursing them out from your seat afterwards. To quote the 90’s show “Duckman”; ‘Comedy should provoke. It should blast through prejudices, challenge preconceptions. Comedy should always leave you different than when it found you. Sure, humor can hurt, even alienate, but the risk is better than the alternative… Demand to be challenged, to be offended, to be treated like thinking, reasoning adults.’ Personally, I would’ve probably just not reacted to the joke, then I would have reached out to Chris afterwards about my opinion on the joke.
As someone with a grandma with cancer, (for like the twelfth time) I personally wouldn’t hit someone over a joke, but I would understand if my dad did. In fact, he has hit someone for that reason…me!
When I performed as a magician’s assistant at a certain iconic L.A. night club with my magician boss/mentor (back when he was a member there), occasionally a drunk heckler or two would crash our show and shout to me “Take off your clothes!” when I was on stage. I didn’t slap them, I didn’t give them the satisfaction of looking over at them. My boss/mentor would have security throw them out if they persisted and disrupted the performance, or tried to reach up on stage to touch me. There is no justifying Will’s behavior. Chris was _joking_ ! It wasn’t personal.
people who defend will keep talking about how it's admirable he defended his wife but the shit is, he was laughing till his wife gave him a look. the only time it's acceptable to hit a person for saying words is when there's a threat or harassment, especially sexual harassment. if that was the case, like if Chris said something along the lines of sexual harassment to Jada, totally would have been appropriate for will to hit him. but otherwise, the joke wasn't offensive at all. the meaning boiled down to "your shaved head makes you look like you're in the military". as far as mean jokes go, this is hardly mean spirited. and the shit is, will could have still defended Jada, by simply shooting a joke back a Chris or telling Chris off like he did anyway, instead of slapping him. there was nothing chivalrous about that moment because there's nothing chivalrous about a man giving a limp wristed slap, nothing chivalrous about silencing a comedian over what was an entirely inoffensive joke, etc. it all reeked of smol pp syndrome. will seems to be overcompensating for how much he has to go above and beyond for scraps of affection for his "wife". which, funnily enough, according to a 2020 article, they stopped referring to eachother as husband and wife. the whole thing is will yet again demeaning himself for scraps of attention from his "wife". just like that red table talk episode.
I agree with your words whole heartedly, but I see this whole interaction as jovial. It just feels...Well it doesn't feel like anyone is negatively affected by it. Of course violence is never the answer in times of social conflict, but this didn't feel like social conflict. This feels more like an interaction among tough friends in a time of strife or misunderstanding. Like imagine a close friend of yours and you develop an understanding that both of you are tough and able to take hits, maybe you spar or do lots of sporty activity, and they hit you to get you to calm down and evaluate your actions, to sober up and take reality in. That's almost something to laugh about among friends, and that's how the two seemed to treat it.
I disagree, Will's voice cracking made it seem like he was very emotional, and the negative effects were he made everyone at the event and watching at home uncomfortable. He put himself and his wife, who he didn't want joked about, in the spotlight for everyone to now make fun of. Their dirty laundry was already aired, and this just thrust it back into the limelight. Sure, this doesn't affect anything on a cosmic scale, and we'll forget about it soon as life goes on, but there's a reason everyone is talking about it. It was such an uncomfortable wtf moment that had no repercussions.
@@chrischin_94 Exactly. This also overshadows the works the Oscars is supposed to be celebrating. I'm a black person who gives very few shits about representation, but apparently this entirely black run show was supposed to be a big deal.
Jovial? What part of someone slapping another is cheerful? I would have done the same, that doesn't make it right, it was not positive in any way, one person makes fun of another because they have a genetic disease, one person slaps another, one person can't respond to being slapped, one person doubles down in insulting another for something out of their control, one person gets no consequences for slapping another person. Please tell me, what part of all this is cheerful or positive in any way.
@@alenasenie6928 Maybe all the parts you left out to make a point on the internet. The quip, the fanfare, the fact that no one got upset about it in the moment, the entire vibe of the situation.
@@chrischin_94 I dont refer to only this moment specifically really. Its just that all this gets said with absolute terms. But everyone feels different about individual interactions, it should be judged by the harm caused, not the actions committed.
If I could borrow a quote from one of my favorite shows of all time “No choice? I could have chosen to ignore him. I could have chosen to let his words wash over me like a river over stone. But I let him anger me. It was I that turned his words into weapons”
About one of your points, I strongly disagree that all jokes are likely to be "offensive to someone". You make a good point that humor and laughter can be a coping mechanism for really negative experiences and dark humor is based in that but. There's a lot of humor just about unexpected situations and mixing and matching social or language conventions. Like puns being funny are not inherently offensive. There are so many forms of humor that don't punch down at others' expense the way most of Chris Rock's humor does. (Edited: I don't know for sure that most of Chris Rock's humor does this because I haven't actually given him that much of a chance, I mostly am basing this on what I've heard about his comedy style second-hand.) "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" has always been wrong on SO many levels. Verbal and emotional abuse is a thing and to hear you preach it here like it's a sentiment people are RIGHT to teach children saddens me because you're... Promoting such a painfully oversimplified and wrong thing. The physical injuries heal often more completely than psychological wounds do from certain kinds of words, which leave lasting, difficult to heal impact. Is all that relevant in this case? Maybe not really. The joke at Jada's expense was NOT the most horrible hurtful comment in the world. But also no bones were broken with this kind of physical violence either. I agree with a lot of aspects of what you said in the video and you made me think about it all in a new way perhaps. I still feel frustrated at how many people don't see anything at all to criticize throughout this entire video and i wanted to speak up.
“Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequence” This doesn’t fit here because that’s meant for threats and other statements that imply or expose there to be intentional negative actions towards others This is why it’s called a gray area
Not to mention that whenever someone says that phrase, what they are really saying is: "I Have A Right To Give You Consequences If What You Said Hurt My Feelings." Actually, we don't have that right. Because who are we to be the aberturas of consequences? If something offends you then that is your problem.
I've actually come to see that "sticks and stones" quote as BS. Words don't [directly] cause physical harm, but a lot of the time, they do indeed hurt people, especially if people have been told those words all their lives. That doesn't mean they should respond in violence, but it can inevitably lead to that if the victim is not given a better outlet. Eventually, those words can lead to self-harm or worse. That shouldn't be dismissed.
I feel like both of them are wrong to some extent. Chris Rock shouldn't have made that kind of joke, but at the same time, Will Smith probably shouldn't have done that. And I think it's ridiculous that the academy says Will Smith might have to return his Oscar is dumb when other Oscar winners have done far worse
Honestly I believe this was all staged in order to boost the Oscar's relevance. I mean look at how we're talking about it? I bet next year the Oscars will see a greater viewership than this year's Oscars simply because some people won't want to miss a thing.
As much as I appreciate the "staged" theory, I can't believe someone as high profile as Will Smith would go along with it. It really made him look bad.
If I may my good and loving sir; I shall share my thoughts if it is alright. I remember I was in a group chat with my friends when this happened. Most of them thought it was most likely stunted bc ya know… Famous. But the thing is if it was stunted, they probably would have it toned done. Will broke the one most known rule for tv. Don’t severely cuss. A lot of sitcoms barely do it, let alone the F word. So even if it was stunted, he would have less damming consequences to come. I do share the opinion that even if it was a bit far for a joke, this kind of behavior shouldn’t be praised. Plus he gave the WORST apology I have ever seen. And I’ve seen RUclipsr apology videos from 2016. It sucks this kind of behavior isn’t being punished and instead is being praised. I have lost all respect for Will bc you would think he would have been at least trying to resolve it backstage afterwards. Also the academy didn’t do much until AFTER this blew up. Smh
I do understand *why* he slapped him. I have an autoimmune issue like she has. Mine doesn't make me bald but I've had people joke they'd give/gave me gluten. I get scared and I'll say don't do that, if I'm not angered but it I'll chuckle and if it's a friend I may smack their arm in a friendly manner. But if how they said it truly angered me or sent me into a panic I'll be pissed and scold them. I'd never hurt them in anger, if anything I'd start crying in panic not wanting to literally turn into that scene from the Exotcist. What Will did just put this on the map for everyone, now a ton more people know about her hair loss and the marital issues they had. I legit knew none of that now people won't shut up about it.
I agree if he would have walked up and man to man told him that the joke was offensive hell if he did that chris might have even apologized then and there and it would have brought more attention to the condition itself
How is it that we have made it this far in society and yet everything is offensive... a Joke is a freaking Joke. Just ignore it if the Joke doesn't land to you. What Will did was Inexcusable. Doesn't matter. You don't have a right to assault anyone.
your content has really switched up and I don't think you noticed. I really like getting to know some of your political views though btw. it's really interesting cause I binged your channel for a bit, and came back and this is at least the second video where you are just calling the world out. the interesting part is, you don't have to do this, it's pretty much just pure risk. And I commend you on speaking out when you feel it's necessary.
on the one hand, I think that making jokes at the expense of someone's wife or kids does carry the distinct risk of getting smacked in the mouth, but at the same time chris rock is a comedian and took it like a champ and kept things professional while de-escalating the situation and NOT letting his emotions take over. What I think is unacceptable is that he's given a public apology without talking person to person and making peace personally without the cameras or anything we could know. Will smith acted like a child, at the end of the day, and we all make these mistakes from time to time, but he hasn't taken responsibiility like a man.
@@HeroSword_P to be honest and many have pointed this out already but, no one would've made jokes about the Smith's if ya know, Jada had not made a episode on her show talking about and explaining her cheating, then trying to put herself in a different light like a victim the same moment, yes it's ok to talk about your mess ups but understand the consequences that may come afterwards cuz yes you will get money and people talking but that shit will age you quick if you already have a not-so stable mental
This is a very solid take on this topic. You solidly addressed the issue at hand with the respect and perspective I subbed to the channel for. I feel that, had Will just told him to shut up on the topic, or like you said, handling it privately like men, we never would have had this topic come up. Will's heart was in the right place, but his course of action was extremely out of line, which is a complex subject to address. Thank you for your thoughts: you helped me figure out how I felt on the subject, which is awesome.
@@DevaPein You're half-right. Rather than just causing Chris to have a reasonable fear of being in danger of physical, he did that as well as physically striking him. So really, Will is guilty of both, but thank you for confirming we were accusing him of the potentially less severe crime
@@Randerson2409 You are correct, and it just needs to be noted. saying he just did assault really is not the reality in terms of legalities and such. In fact it down plays what he actually did by removing a part of the crime the assailant actually committed.
I don't see how this would be Chris's fault. He made a quick joke and was immediately ready to announce the nominations. Plenty of people have made jokes to other people at the Oscar's before. Will could have talked to Chris during the break or after the show and handle things like adults.
but shady, Chris told a joke. what Will did wasn't assault, he was just delivering the PUNCH LINE
Not gonna lie. That joke HIT pretty damn hard. Almost made me SLAP my knee in laughter
Ooohhh!😆lol
Slap line*
breh
It was SLAPstick
This is literally the sanest take on the situation I've heard since it happened. I wish more people would follow this example and actually think these things through instead of keeping with their first reactions.
AGREED!!
I hope that was a tasty red pill
If this is the first time you've heard this take, then you are hanging out in the wrong corners of the internet
Do you think adults should hit their children? If you do, than this is an acceptable response. If you don't like Will Smith's reaction, then prevent adults from spanking children.
Well said.
My grandfather always tell me: The moment you answer the prankster with violence. *You already lost.*
Smith only came out as weak in this, Rock coming out as the bigger man for not responding in an equal manner.
Your grandpa said bs or just trolled you, congrats. No bully will stop shitting on someone unless you personally somehow will stop him, and that's not with words.
He sounds like a wise man. 🙂
My Mother always said something similar: When the person you're debating starts to use name calling, you know you've won the argument.
He definitely did.
The biggest problem for will?
All of the people that never cared about celebrity gossip or knew anything about his family life now know everything about his family life and his cuckold status. Those videos of his wife talking about fucking other men while sitting right in front of will and the camera now have 100’s of thousands if not millions of more views.
He has absolutely destroyed his reputation to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex.
@bastiat alot of people get this wrong. In biblical days being back handed was a sign of disrespect, to turn the other cheek to be slapped again they would have to use and open palm which signified equal footing. It wasnt about letting yourself get treated poorly, it was about doing a chad move and forcing your enemy into respect with wisdom
_"My bitterness ruined what should have been the greatest night of my life"_- *Sideshow Bob on his Emmy win.*
This quote applies to Will's Best Actor win. He won the Oscar, but lost the respect of the public.
What a coincidence..i just watched this episode an hour ago.
what you're saying is... the punishment Will should face is, to be smacked in the face with rake handles for a solid half hour?
Kelsey Grammar was such a brilliant casting choice for Bob...
Someone said it rightly: Will's actions were Twitter manifested in reality.
Damn, I heard that too, who did say that?
@@seanchan4478 bill maher?
Now that makes me think if Chris had tweeted the joke, would he be cancelled then?
No. That's the whole point. Words do not equal violence, someone calling you dumb and someone hitting you are two completely different things
@@moonflower6607 it bad when bill Maher is the voice of reason
G.I. Jane 2? That joke was no where near offensive. Especially to be assaulted over. The best take I've seen on this situation.
RIGHT? I have a hair loss issue, and I'm a little self conscious about it...
but I'm not gonna lie, if I went full-in and shaved my head, *I'D DEFINITELY BE LAUGHING AT A G.I. JANE JOKE*
She was the hero of the story... AND SHE WON... *SO AT THE END OF THE DAY THE JOKE IS ALL IN GOOD FUN*
I can see the joke being offensive to her. That doesn't in anyway justify Will's Neanderthal-like reaction. But I can see the joke landing flat for her.
@@RequiemPoete Can we stop using Neanderthal as an insult. The Neanderthals were fairly intelligent. They survived longer in harsher climates than Homo sapiens. They used language along with stone tools, and they were capable,of symbolic thought. There's even evidence that they had rituals for their dead.
@@Quinntus79 And it's a fact they lived much more brutal and violent lives. Despite being nearly as smart as Sapians, Neanderthals never invented the kind of ranged weaponry. This was because their stronger and tougher frame allowed them to tank a hit from prey animals that would be game enders to other Homoinids. So I stand by my insult of comparing Smith to a Neanderthal, not for being stupid, but for choosing the more violent option.
@@Quinntus79 Oh my god are you seriously white knighting for Neanderthals.
More importantly, Chris rock was EMPLOYED BY THE ACADEMY TO MAKE THOSE JOKES!! Crazy how someone could be assaulted at their job and there are no repercussions for the assaulter!! However you feel about those jokes they are APPROVED before they are even said. Will took his frustrations on the wrong party . Now this holds the consequences of comedians not feeling SAFE enough to do what they were PAID to do.
This right here. You perfectly summed up what I've been thinking about this whole thing since it happened.
People say he should sue Will Smith. I would sue the academy for not adequately protecting me.
Have you ever worked retail or fast food? Getting assaulted at work is pretty much expected
fake n gay
Chris Rock is his friend too. I honestly wish Chris had ripped him apart either physically or verbally for all to see but he was a professional.
Regardless of Will's actions, Chris handled it like a champ, getting the show back on the road as soon as possible. For that, I respect the dude, even if a GI Jane reference was outdated as shit.
What people often forget about this whole "might makes right" attitude regarding the use of violence to silence speech they don't like is that the "might" isn't always going to be on your side and if you think it's okay to use violence to silence others it may not be long before others think it's okay to use violence to silence you.
Violence begets violence and if will got slapped by someone else I guess you can call that poetic justice
Exactly. Turnabout is fair play
@@heavymetalfishingla but he would just throw a bitch fit
Striking someone in public can lead to much greater force responses. It was unlikely here but in other venues it can escalate quickly
@@richardnash6111 there's a saying that everyone tends to forget you reap what you sow and if someone hits will Smith not saying they should he shouldn't complain after all he wants to assault someone only right to happen back
There's something my dad used to tell me when I was little: "you answer fists with fists and words with words. If you answer fists with words or words with fists, you lost not just the argument but your dignity as a man."
This is 100% pure truth.
I’m 50/50 on it.
The entire world laughed when Dave Chappelle made fun of R. Kelly peeing on an underaged girl, despite how wrong it was.
The entire world laughed when EVERY comedian made jokes about Michael Jackson ranging from child molestation charges, to the color of his skin, to him being abused as a child all the way until and even after his death.
But because Chris Rock made a joke about someone's hair... He went too far, and deserved to be hit?
If the format of comedy can no longer be subjective, even the SLIGHTEST bit provocative or challenging, and we lose the ability to laugh at ourselves from time to time, then what the hell are we supposed to laugh at?
Times have changed and people are equally disgusted by the r. Kelly and MJ jokes now so it's not really a fair comparison. A better example would be if a comedian tried to make those jokes today
I feel they _both_ went too far. Chris Rock's joke crossed a line, and so did Will Smith's slap.
Thank you for speaking rationally. This comes from that "words are violence" bullshit. I hate it. Just because words hurt your feelings, that doesn't make it violence and it doesn't mean you can go and physically lash out at someone.
You certainly were not psychologically abused, do you think all bullies are hitting people?
No, with me they tried to break me and they couldn't, but that doesn't mean it was not violent, because they succeded with others, when you say "words are not violence" what you mean is that one off comments are not violence, because you can kill people without ever laying a finger on them, if in your opinion pushing people into suicide is not more violent than kicking someone then i think we have very different definitions in what is violence. If you want to get away with killing someone just use words to kill them, you will succeed and you will not have to face any repercussions, because it is just words.
@@alenasenie6928 psychological abuse is a lot different than someone making a joke.
@@alenasenie6928 Words are violence and it's okay to respond with physical violence, right? That is your stance, right?
@@InfernosReaper nope, just the first part, words can be violence, to say they can't is just tone deaf, i would also slapped him, knowing it is not the correct response, will should get the consequences that should have come with that
@@nickyblue4866 "just because words hurt your feelings does not make them violence" that is the part i was responding to
"He was defending his wife's honor!"
Judging by what's been said in the past; what fucking honor? This is just misdirected aggression, period. That folks are condoning it is disgusting.
Pretty much summed up.
He’s fine with multiple guys getting inside his wife’s guts, including some that are the same age as his son, but a terribly lame joke barely at her expense is crossing the line?
I’ve said it hundreds of times, but if you can take a dick, why can’t you take a joke?
Will just went on with accepting his award shamelessly like he neuralyzed the audience or something
Twitterites see what Jada is doing to Will Smith as honorable. It's the Church of Woke at it's worst.
Do you think adults should hit their children? If you do, than this is an acceptable response. If you don't like Will Smith's reaction, then prevent adults from spanking children.
What “honor”? She doesn’t have any. To be fair, neither does Will.
Even if you think Chris went too far (which I don't, but it's fine if you disagree with me, I get it) I can not defend Will. Assaulting a comedian hosting an event where the Host traditionally roasts and ribs the nominees is out of line. He stained his winning an award and is lucky Chris has had such class during all of this.
Will Smith should have been escorted outside the building at the very least. I hated seeing how Chris Rock was kind of left hanging and no one else came to help defuse the situation or defend him. I think Chris Rock handled it very well given the circumstances though
He barely said anything
@@Strideo1 honesty no, for what he felt was done what he should have done after the slap is just walk away without a word, in his place i probably would have slapped him, said fuck you and leave
Agreed.
People who said Chris went too far are just white knight simps or feminist weak willed women who think women should be exempt from jokes because alopecia has always made men the butt of a joke for ages without issue. So much so that even bald men themselves make light of it.
I still say what in the actual hell was Will Smith thinking?...because if he thought purposely slapping someone on live tv wasn't gonna make him look bad he thought wrong.
He was thinking that,
"Oh no I laughed at his joke that my (cheating) wife didn't like. I better stand up for her (even though she wouldn't do that for me and instead lie down for other men)."
He was thinking like a dog. Waiting for the order from his master. In this case his wife.
Probably didn't even care
I think he wasn't considering that in the heat of the moment (and by that I mean I think will felt more enraged about his wife's reaction moreso than anything else, causing him to not rationalize the situation thoroughly). Not an excuse or justification, but rather the most innocent/positive reasoning I can think of.
I still think the whole thing was staged.
If anyone was going to stage and act out a fight to drive ratings it would be Hollywood.
Look up "Will Smith wife cheated on him". Literally has a video with millions of views talking to Will about how empowering it was. Will didn't think shit, dudes a broken man.
Chris may have made a kinda mean joke (yknow, he’s kinda a comedian) but like… thats the kinda thing you learn to suck up in second grade.
It seems a lot of people in the modern generation, thought the phrase “be the bigger man” was meant to silence people with genuine issues instead of what it actually is which is growing up and learning to deal with others.
I don't even know what the joke was supposed to be
@@Zerpderp0 Wife was bald, wife played a bald character in some movie years ago, Chris suggests she’s making a sequel that’s why she’s bald. Actual reason is due to an immune disorder. Will angry, commit violence.
@@Zerpderp0
Jada had a head that looked shaved, a look common in the military. Hence, the GI jane joke.
@@POIUYTREWQ62 that's neither funny nor offensive. I thought he was talking about seeing her being in a movie where she is raped because that's what the first GI Jane was about.
If Will Smith just yelled a Chris, like he did after hitting him, that would have been an acceptable response. The fact that some people think that assault is an acceptable response is mind boggling.
Or Will could have just explain his wife's condition, although interesting fact he has made fun of someone else with the same condition
@LTNetjak I think the reason why Will is still in the marriage is because it's cheaper than getting a divorce
What could have been better is if Will Smith would have walked up to Chris Rock and explained to him WHY that joke was bad. Or be petty about it during his acceptance speech. There were million other ways to go about the situation.
Yeah, I have a problem with "it's just a joke" because jokes are still part of discourse and reasonable to criticize. But escalation to violence is different
its fake to make dumb people think its ok to be violent
The fact that Will is going to get away with assault says more than enough. He could have let it slide(Jada doesn't even respect him) or just sat in his chair and said that. Laughing, then pretending to be outraged after she glared at him just made it seem like a stunt.
Sensationalism out of 10 tbh.
he committed battery at this point. not assault. those are not the exact same things
@@DevaPein Assault refers to the wrong act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm. Battery is the physical attack in response.
You could argue that Will walking up to Chris and the way he yelled could cause fear of imminent harm.
Thus, it was Assault and Battery.
@@POIUYTREWQ62 i am clearly saying he did not only committee assault and that is a downplay of the actual assailants crimes but it is now pointed out clearly for you. you're welcome
edit: o i missed not "just" assault. I am the dumb dumb there lol
@@DevaPein
It's cool, i've missed words in my comments before / the stuff I wrote in the comments weren't what I meant to say.
It happens.
@@POIUYTREWQ62 though hey, the explanation is not a bad thing either so still a good post from you also. win win regardless
One of the biggest problems we have today is people thinking it’s acceptable to resort to violence when someone hurts there feelings or somebody they like/loves feelings. Like I’ve seen adult try to fight literal children over there children if they were being bullied or picked on and I’m not at all trying to say bullying is ok but there’s always ways to handle situations like this. If smith would’ve just yelled at Chris it would been acceptable but choosing violence simply because u don’t like something somebody saids is way passed unjustifiable.
I never understood anyone who believes in physical violence against someone who disagrees with them. They might hit back even harder or might not fear the consequences.
Will Smith outed himself as a moron for doing this. A smart or creative person would have joked back at worst.
How Will Goddamn Smith managed to act less properly than a heckler at a comedy show is entirely freaking beyond me.
Never thought of this option, you’re right. Will could’ve clapped back with his own joke. Something infinitely manlier and cooler in the modern day then hitting someone due to hurt feelings.
Or god forbid, he could've just let it slide and say nothing...
its fake
@@mrpizzacat8273 CR is more than a foot shorter and probably 50-60 pounds lighter than will too, makes it even worse.
Maybe if the presenter was 6’ 7 and 320 lbs it would be somewhat admirable but this just has terrible optics, combined with everyone that didn’t give a shit about his personal life now knows everything about his life.
Those videos of his wife admitting to cheating in front of him have gotten alot more views since then.
We all should have learned in kindergarten that you don't get to hit someone because they said something you don't like. Will Smith is a classless punk. That's just how I feel about it. My level of emotion about it is extremely low.
People often forget about the basics.
It's often the simplest lessons that need the most repeating.
My parents and even little brother who read his book respected Will. I get it, he was pretty respectable. But this...c'mon. I think he'll be happier if he leaves Jada. The kids are all grown up right? Now he's a POS.
It was definitely an impulse moment, I doubt he was thinking at all. Look at his face when he walks away, he's smiling like he's all proud of himself. When he sat down I think that's when the embarrassment started to kick in, which is why he started cursing the way he did.
Thank you for your hot take, Shady. Honestly I pretty much agree with everything you said 100%. Well said
I was going to say that this isn't a hot take, it's the sane and reasonable take...
Then I remembered how a lot of people are reacting to this. Yeah, sadly, this may well qualify as a hot take
@@Randerson2409 I was gonna say the same thing but you right
I wouldn't call this a hot take. Most people on the internet are taking the same stance, even some people in Hollywood are calling Will out. It's just that there are still a good number of people trying to defend him, and a lot of those people are the usual "feelings matter" suspects.
@@ShadyDoorags Agreed. It's just that the chronically online who usually draw vore rule 34 or right blogs on how Spongebob upholds heteronormative patriarchal standards won't stop whining about it, so it seems like a lot more people than it does.
@@VagabondRetro who.. Who is saying that about sponge bob? I'm not calling you out just actually wondering though not surprised if there's some who says this.
This episode ages like wine more and more.
This is more of the ages like milk this would only make the world worse because it only happened.
@@jaimemarquez1469 not that I know what the hell you’re on, but I believe OP meant the _King of the Hill_ episode that shady showed a clip of at the beginning.
@@jaimemarquez1469 I think they meant the message in the video (if you consider videos akin to episodes, though as the person above me mentioned the message is still there). I hope it becomes a relic where those decades from now looks back and think "this is obvious, why even need to mention it?"
Two points of notice: 1. Will apologized to the Oscars, NOT to Chris. 2. You can't protect the honor of someone who has none. Not sure how much honor Jada has when she's running around with men her son's age in front of Will, and then airing out all that to everyone.
And wasn’t Will there when she made it public?
My sister said that I “Don’t respect women” because I said Chris did nothing wrong.
My biggest fear from this is the implication of assault being normalized. What does it say if you can do something like this and then act like nothing happens?
To be fair it’s already pretty normalized with the upper class celebs get to do it all the time we just don’t have that type of luxury 🤷🏾♀️
This and Jim Carey’s take are the best takes on this. Jim himself basically said what Shady did. “It doesn’t give you the right assault someone for saying words.”
I agree with literally everything here, seriously it’s some of the most badshit insane shit I’ve seen this year
I find it ironic how we have so many sayings like "Sticks and stones may break my bones" but nobody ever listens to them. Like... Come on, there's a reason those are sayings in the first place. Its like how they say "don't judge a book by its cover" despite everyone doing just that _all_ the time.
Will should've talked to this man in the back about how he felt afterwards instead of just assaulting him. Is terrible on the grounds that Jada has him wrapped around his finger and she broke this man in more ways than one.
“If I can do anything on my channel, it would be to make people laugh.”
You do something much more important for me in your videos. You make me think and evaluate the way I see other people in my life. Actions say a lot, but the intent behind those actions is a major factor worth considering. I can’t wait for the next video; all the thumbs up.
I agree with everything you said.
It's funny how if Will Smith had just NOT slapped Chris rock, then the victim would instead be Jada - not Chris.
You can't just hit someone anytime you disagree with them. That's not how that works, that not how any of that works.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
@Bla Bla Yeah, that's a good point.
You never know with today's internet temperature who will get cancelled over the dumbest things, though. It probably was more forgettable than I am thinking. I just think the world is thirsty for drama right now, tbh.
An eye for an eye would mean words about Chris' hair. Which would be fair
I was amazed at how many people I lost respect for over this, including Essay RUclipsrs I held in very high regard, making unhinged claims like "some people deserve to be assaulted" and "our society has moved past the need for comedians."
Clearly Not.
"Cartoon man not talk about King of Hill me ANGY."
Should it even have been seen as an insult in the first place? "G.I. Jane" was always seen as a progressive film with Demi Moore getting praise for cutting her long hair for the role. And having a sequel starring Moore AND Jada Pickett-Smith would be pretty marketable. Yes, in the Black community, hair is a big part in our culture but so is women sporting short or bald hair i.e. Grace Jones and the women of the "Black Panther" franchise. So why would Jada be offended when she looks good with short hair and can afford wiggs and other treatment for alopecia?
I wasn't sure how to feel about the whole ordeal personally, because on the one hand, you should always stand by your significant other, but on the other, it was a joke, a bad one, but still a joke, your video has made me decide where I stand, and it's not with people saying assaulting a man for a joke is okay, thank you for posting this video.
I mean, he could have just quietly supported her. No one made the man slap anyone. If Jada was bothered they easily could have just talked about it later, hell, maybe even just said something to Chris privately. Now Will looks like a jerk and Jada is getting slammed for not finding the joke funny and people are acting as though she forced his hand. They have every right to feel however they like but Will was out of line.
as a married woman, there's a way to stand by your s/o.
Chris's words weren't threatening/actually harmful etc.
if Chris said something that was more along the lines of sexual harassment/a threat
a fist to the face would have been appropriate, because that is an actual threat, even if it's just words.
but Chris made a harmless joke that her shaved head made her look militant. that's it.
if will wanted to defend his wife the proper way, he could have simply gone up and said something on stage, instead of physically attacking Chris over it.
my husband had to put one of his friends in his place when we first started dating because he started talking down to me.
didn't hit the dude. just took a very mean tone, got in his face, and told him "you don't talk to my girlfriend like that".
Wills slap reeks of insecurity. he thought the joke was funny until Jada told him something, and he overcompensates by assaulting the person telling the joke.
he didn't slap Chris because he was offended. he slapped Chris to appease Jada, and then has the gull to go up on stage, accept an award, and make a crybaby piss face speech about how he's the victim and gets the whole room to stand up and applaud him.
it's all gross. nothing honorable in any of this.
@@fireemberess I find it weird that the same Twitter brain lit who complains about toxic masculinity is suddenly back-peddled to back up will. What Will did is an actual example of toxic masculinity, overreacting violently to something insignificant just to please his wife.
@@VagabondRetro To those people, it's only toxic masculinity if a woman is victim to it and if it's done by a man.
You know I used to be on the fence about this...but not anymore. Great points have been made that has convinced me Will was absolutely in the wrong on this. Although I do think there are exceptions such as when someone is continuously harassing you and refuse to stop but you're totally right in this, I can't believe I didn't connect the concerning subjects that I have noticed with people advocating for violence against speech you found offense to this.
I had a bully at my work who would say mean stuff to me. Even though I wanted to slap the shit out of him, I didn't because it would say more about me than him. Luckily, the douche transfered so all is well.
Thank you for this video Shady. I’m really glad I found your channel because it’s hard to find people on this platform that will willingly speak their minds, especially rational ones, out of fear of being deplatformed/canceled.
I get that Chris’ wife has a condition, and maybe the joke was in poor taste. Still, it’s entirely wrong to to respond to words with violence, because it perpetuates a very terrible mindset and it’s plaguing many in our society as we speak. If people can get away with violence so long as it’s under the guise of defending someone’s honor or because your feelings are hurt, then much worse things than a slap can be “justified”.
There are people that are probably justifying it because “it’s just a slap, he’ll be fine.” And yes, but these are the same types of people that would laugh if someone was murdered for example, calling someone a racial slur. They would try to justify it based on the extremity of what was said. It saddens me that instead of showing someone why their actions are wrong and why it should not be repeated, there are people jumping straight to “hurt/kill them.” It’s a very backwards, childish way to think. Even though this situation is pretty tame compared that, it’s still spreading a messed up message that says “You can hurt people so long as it hurts yours or someone else’s feelings.”
(Sorry for the essay post)
The thing I have come out hating most of this is treating baldness as some kind of debilitating disease. I seriously didn't know from how the issue has been discussed that this that Jada has pattern baldness. I have male pattern baldness and I shave my head because I didn't want to be some sad sack with a comb over. I give zero shits about anyone joking about it and I actually welcome it.
Exactly. A disease would imply that she is dying of something. Hair loss(while I imagine it is no fun) is not an illness
I love that Will actually laughed at the joke until his wife looked at him and he knew he fucked up
Your missing a very important point. SFO pointed this out.
Chris said "that was a good one" insinuating he could actually talk about something deeper about those two.
Will isnt over his wife sleeping with people.
Why did I just get a notification for this????
I saw this a year ago....
Hollywood is destroying Will Smith, and is really sad to see it happen right in front of our eyes.
Well that's what happens when you get violent in a reward ceremony. He is professional and he didn't act like it. It is sad, and not a fully appropriate response, but it was inevitable.
@@justanidiotmk2749 I'm talking about before all of that happen
Will Smith is destroying Will Smith. Adults are responsible for their actions.
He bragged about it afterwards basically and didn’t really apologize until after people started to talk about consequences to Chris rock. what’s really sad is Will Smith needs to go to rehab for like a year or two for his mental health and won’t. That’s the real tragedy here
More like Jada is destroying Will Smith.
It's no coincidence that she looks like snake.
Oooo, that Gorge R. R. Martin quote at the end *chefs kiss*
The best take I’ve heard. Shady is on point and everyone should share this
Shady, I really appreciate you speaking on this. Thank you
I saw this take from Lewis spears, an Aussie comedian who said “if will Smith didn’t slap Chris rock, we wouldn’t be talking about jada today” and that’s super accurate 😂
I agree but I'm calling it right now: Someone is going to twist your words to paint you in a negative light.
You are a beacon of reason during this awful moment, sir I respect you, greetings from Cozumel Island, Mexico.
"I may not agree with what you have to say, but to the death will I defend your right to say it." - Voltaire
I remember on Twitter one artist said Chris deserved it, and I couldn't help but call them out on it. The artist responded with "it was just a slap" and so I responded with "and it was just a joke" and that was that.
Frankly, my reaction to this whole ordeal has been like how my parents have probably felt about my life choices: Disappointed. Just like many other people I imagine, I love Chris Rock and Will Smith and have been fans of them since I was kid watching their more child-friendly projects to their more real and adult material. But to see one of my childhood heroes assault another one of my childhood heroes and for people to say that he was justified in doing so, makes me really question the mentality of those people and the entirety of this messed up landscape we live in. Don't get me wrong, what Chris said was offensive, but I could probably bet my entire life savings that he's told a joke far more offensive than the one he told at the Oscars. And honestly, I have to agree with what Jim Carrey said in an interview regarding the situation that it "sickens" me to see something like this happen, cause it not only ruined Chris and Will's night, but it ruined the whole event for the people who worked hard and made the effort to get there and that what transpired between Will and Chris is going to overshadow everything positive that could've been taken away from this. Should Will face repercussions for his actions? Absolutely. Was Chris in the wrong for the joke he told? Undoubtedly. However, not matter how far you stretch it, there is no acceptable reason for a man to "slap the sh*t" out of another man just for doing his job. I'm sorry that this post is so long, but I hope you understand where i'm coming from and I thank you for making the effort to read it. @ShadyDoorags Great video man, very topical and I loved the King of the Hill reference at the beginning :)
First thing, even though this wasn't considered "normal content" for you, I really enjoyed this video! Honestly I wish you would do more stuff like this because you advocate your points very well.
Second, I completely agree with everything you said. If i'm to be completely honest, I thought Will's actions AT FIRST were justifiable (the slap, not the cursing him out part). Then when I thought more about it, I really thought that Will strolling up to the stage, assaulting a man for a JOKE, and facing zero consequences was okay. I was VERY wrong in that mindset and glad I changed my way of thinking there. The way this was handled by Will was completely inexcusable, and I honestly think the poor man has been losing it ever since Jada's affair (not an excuse for his actions, though).
Shady Doorags is the last channel I expected to cover this and yet one of the best channels to cover it!
That last quote was beautiful. I think it was funny what happened but I disagree with Chris getting punched. What he did was the equivalent to punching an actor that played your spouse and your actual spouse didn't like their performance.
A month later and now Dave Chappelle gets assaulted at a stand-up act.
The only difference is the assailant got his ass whipped
Love this take--this is kindergarten stuff. Student: He said these words that made me mad, so I hit him. Teacher: We can talk later about what he said and whether it was right or wrong. Right now, you need to learn to keep your hands to yourself.
Originally I was glad you pinned the brilliant moment from King of the Hill, but now I'm just glad you brought up the topic of assault in general and how it has progressively become more and more acceptable to commit assault simply because someone is offended.
Let alone becoming offended on SOMEONE ELSE'S behalf.
If you are reading this and not seeing the problem with this scenario, let me put it this way and take it from a guy who dedicated 7 years of his life getting a blackbelt in Kali (largely weapons based and militaristically used) and learning about domestic affairs:
Depending on what state you are in, the moment you decide to escalate a verbal fight into a physical one, you could LEGALLY be stabbed or shot. Where I live, as a man I could turn you into a man meat filet and my justice system wouldn't give a fuck less because it'd still count as self defense. If you were a woman though? My guy, they care about women here. Women can jump straight to the gun and smoke your ass.
So forget fist fights for a moment. Forget that the person you are fucking with might and very well could break you like a toothpick or simply knows how to actually fight (Because I know no trained fighters who do this small dick energy stuff), your ass could be straight up murdered on the spot and the law would side with the person responsible all because you couldn't take a fucking joke.
Do you want some practical advice on what to do when someone offends you? GROW SOME THICKER SKIN AND REALIZE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ALONG WITH EVERYONE. Verbal exchanges and brawls are two completely different things and you don't get to just start shit because someone hurt your feelings, and for good reason.
So let's return to the moment between Chris Rock and Will Smith, because this is not the first time Will has slapped the shit out of someone for stupid reasons. He chose Chris because he thought he could get away with it. He was trying to assert dominance and scare him; appear like the bigger, more aggressive man. Except he did so by walking up without making eye contact and keeping his arm lowered. It was a sucker punch; legitimately the lowest, most sly thing you can do to get one in on someone, a move ANYONE can pull off because it preys on the other person not knowing its coming. And for what? To defend the honor of a cheating wife who has turned your whole legacy into a joke? Brother, imagine if Chris Rock actually gave enough of a fuck to fight back. It would have been YOUR ass in jail.
I'm with you Shady.
I have always been a fan of Will up until this moment. I've just lost all respect for him.
Agreed with everything you said here! It's a real shame Will didn't face any consequences to slapping Chris had it been anyone of less fame they'd be arrested regardless of Chris pressing charges or not. Because let's face assault is a crime. Will at the very least should have been escorted out not handed his award and applauded. Also Will was laughing at the G.I Jane joke he didn't slap Chris until he saw Jada look offended.
A little laughter never hurt anybody.
Will really was one of my biggest inspirations on a personal level. I had a mix of anger and disappointment with his actions. I don't want this to be the end of his career in a cancel sense but I can't say it wouldn't be deserved either.
Fuck yes this is why I watch you and this is why I love what you have to say. You have a level head and aren't afraid to voice your opinion.
People have forgotten where the lime between entertainment and real life is nowadays. I can only assume a lifetime of having screens in our faces 24/7 has done us no favors, but regardless, people have forgotten that entertainment is about free speech, and when you take away that freedom in the name of "emotional defense" you cut a large part of what made us so great along with it. As always Shady, well done with your analysis!
Great video dude. You sure brought up alot of thinking points clearly and put words to what I had in mind.
There's been times where people have said things to me and I did in fact want to do much worse than slapping them. The reason I *DIDN'T* engage in violence because that's a surefire way to make the situation a thousand times worse.
Everytime something like this happens I just look towards Duckman
My two cents on the matter; In comedy, there are few things that you aren’t able to make fun of (such as directly making fun of a kid for having cancer in a mean-spirited way) and there’s a time and a place for certain jokes (I personally agree that Chris making a joke at the expense of Jada’s alopecia might be stepping on a few toes), but that’s no justification for striking the joke-teller and cursing them out from your seat afterwards. To quote the 90’s show “Duckman”; ‘Comedy should provoke. It should blast through prejudices, challenge preconceptions. Comedy should always leave you different than when it found you. Sure, humor can hurt, even alienate, but the risk is better than the alternative… Demand to be challenged, to be offended, to be treated like thinking, reasoning adults.’
Personally, I would’ve probably just not reacted to the joke, then I would have reached out to Chris afterwards about my opinion on the joke.
As someone with a grandma with cancer, (for like the twelfth time) I personally wouldn’t hit someone over a joke, but I would understand if my dad did. In fact, he has hit someone for that reason…me!
Uncle Phil would be so disappointed in the weak man that Will has become.
I can already see it now.
When I performed as a magician’s assistant at a certain iconic L.A. night club with my magician boss/mentor (back when he was a member there), occasionally a drunk heckler or two would crash our show and shout to me “Take off your clothes!” when I was on stage.
I didn’t slap them, I didn’t give them the satisfaction of looking over at them. My boss/mentor would have security throw them out if they persisted and disrupted the performance, or tried to reach up on stage to touch me.
There is no justifying Will’s behavior. Chris was _joking_ ! It wasn’t personal.
the slap to me was a
I get why he did it, But I don't think he should of done it.
people who defend will keep talking about how it's admirable he defended his wife but the shit is, he was laughing till his wife gave him a look.
the only time it's acceptable to hit a person for saying words is when there's a threat or harassment, especially sexual harassment.
if that was the case, like if Chris said something along the lines of sexual harassment to Jada, totally would have been appropriate for will to hit him.
but otherwise, the joke wasn't offensive at all. the meaning boiled down to "your shaved head makes you look like you're in the military".
as far as mean jokes go, this is hardly mean spirited.
and the shit is, will could have still defended Jada, by simply shooting a joke back a Chris or telling Chris off like he did anyway, instead of slapping him.
there was nothing chivalrous about that moment because there's nothing chivalrous about a man giving a limp wristed slap, nothing chivalrous about silencing a comedian over what was an entirely inoffensive joke, etc.
it all reeked of smol pp syndrome. will seems to be overcompensating for how much he has to go above and beyond for scraps of affection for his "wife". which, funnily enough, according to a 2020 article, they stopped referring to eachother as husband and wife.
the whole thing is will yet again demeaning himself for scraps of attention from his "wife". just like that red table talk episode.
I absolutely adore your content, your morals and your willingness to express it. God bless you and your content.
I agree with your words whole heartedly, but I see this whole interaction as jovial. It just feels...Well it doesn't feel like anyone is negatively affected by it. Of course violence is never the answer in times of social conflict, but this didn't feel like social conflict. This feels more like an interaction among tough friends in a time of strife or misunderstanding. Like imagine a close friend of yours and you develop an understanding that both of you are tough and able to take hits, maybe you spar or do lots of sporty activity, and they hit you to get you to calm down and evaluate your actions, to sober up and take reality in. That's almost something to laugh about among friends, and that's how the two seemed to treat it.
I disagree, Will's voice cracking made it seem like he was very emotional, and the negative effects were he made everyone at the event and watching at home uncomfortable. He put himself and his wife, who he didn't want joked about, in the spotlight for everyone to now make fun of. Their dirty laundry was already aired, and this just thrust it back into the limelight. Sure, this doesn't affect anything on a cosmic scale, and we'll forget about it soon as life goes on, but there's a reason everyone is talking about it. It was such an uncomfortable wtf moment that had no repercussions.
@@chrischin_94 Exactly. This also overshadows the works the Oscars is supposed to be celebrating. I'm a black person who gives very few shits about representation, but apparently this entirely black run show was supposed to be a big deal.
Jovial? What part of someone slapping another is cheerful? I would have done the same, that doesn't make it right, it was not positive in any way, one person makes fun of another because they have a genetic disease, one person slaps another, one person can't respond to being slapped, one person doubles down in insulting another for something out of their control, one person gets no consequences for slapping another person. Please tell me, what part of all this is cheerful or positive in any way.
@@alenasenie6928 Maybe all the parts you left out to make a point on the internet.
The quip, the fanfare, the fact that no one got upset about it in the moment, the entire vibe of the situation.
@@chrischin_94 I dont refer to only this moment specifically really. Its just that all this gets said with absolute terms. But everyone feels different about individual interactions, it should be judged by the harm caused, not the actions committed.
If I could borrow a quote from one of my favorite shows of all time
“No choice? I could have chosen to ignore him. I could have chosen to let his words wash over me like a river over stone. But I let him anger me. It was I that turned his words into weapons”
About one of your points, I strongly disagree that all jokes are likely to be "offensive to someone". You make a good point that humor and laughter can be a coping mechanism for really negative experiences and dark humor is based in that but. There's a lot of humor just about unexpected situations and mixing and matching social or language conventions. Like puns being funny are not inherently offensive. There are so many forms of humor that don't punch down at others' expense the way most of Chris Rock's humor does. (Edited: I don't know for sure that most of Chris Rock's humor does this because I haven't actually given him that much of a chance, I mostly am basing this on what I've heard about his comedy style second-hand.)
"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" has always been wrong on SO many levels. Verbal and emotional abuse is a thing and to hear you preach it here like it's a sentiment people are RIGHT to teach children saddens me because you're... Promoting such a painfully oversimplified and wrong thing.
The physical injuries heal often more completely than psychological wounds do from certain kinds of words, which leave lasting, difficult to heal impact.
Is all that relevant in this case? Maybe not really. The joke at Jada's expense was NOT the most horrible hurtful comment in the world. But also no bones were broken with this kind of physical violence either.
I agree with a lot of aspects of what you said in the video and you made me think about it all in a new way perhaps. I still feel frustrated at how many people don't see anything at all to criticize throughout this entire video and i wanted to speak up.
You made some points that never crossed my mind about this. Thanks for making this video.
“Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequence”
This doesn’t fit here because that’s meant for threats and other statements that imply or expose there to be intentional negative actions towards others
This is why it’s called a gray area
Not to mention that whenever someone says that phrase, what they are really saying is:
"I Have A Right To Give You Consequences If What You Said Hurt My Feelings."
Actually, we don't have that right. Because who are we to be the aberturas of consequences? If something offends you then that is your problem.
I've actually come to see that "sticks and stones" quote as BS.
Words don't [directly] cause physical harm, but a lot of the time, they do indeed hurt people, especially if people have been told those words all their lives.
That doesn't mean they should respond in violence, but it can inevitably lead to that if the victim is not given a better outlet.
Eventually, those words can lead to self-harm or worse. That shouldn't be dismissed.
I feel like both of them are wrong to some extent. Chris Rock shouldn't have made that kind of joke, but at the same time, Will Smith probably shouldn't have done that. And I think it's ridiculous that the academy says Will Smith might have to return his Oscar is dumb when other Oscar winners have done far worse
And this is why I love this channel so much!
Shady out here dropping facts and truths.
Shady Doorags: I don't want to be the King of the Hill Guy
Also Shady Doorags: I'm going to start the video with a clip from King of the Hill
Honestly I believe this was all staged in order to boost the Oscar's relevance. I mean look at how we're talking about it? I bet next year the Oscars will see a greater viewership than this year's Oscars simply because some people won't want to miss a thing.
As much as I appreciate the "staged" theory, I can't believe someone as high profile as Will Smith would go along with it. It really made him look bad.
@@diersteinjulien6773 three words for you. Wild Wild West
It takes real strength of character not to fight with every person who offends you
If I may my good and loving sir; I shall share my thoughts if it is alright.
I remember I was in a group chat with my friends when this happened. Most of them thought it was most likely stunted bc ya know… Famous. But the thing is if it was stunted, they probably would have it toned done. Will broke the one most known rule for tv. Don’t severely cuss. A lot of sitcoms barely do it, let alone the F word. So even if it was stunted, he would have less damming consequences to come. I do share the opinion that even if it was a bit far for a joke, this kind of behavior shouldn’t be praised. Plus he gave the WORST apology I have ever seen. And I’ve seen RUclipsr apology videos from 2016.
It sucks this kind of behavior isn’t being punished and instead is being praised. I have lost all respect for Will bc you would think he would have been at least trying to resolve it backstage afterwards.
Also the academy didn’t do much until AFTER this blew up. Smh
I do understand *why* he slapped him. I have an autoimmune issue like she has. Mine doesn't make me bald but I've had people joke they'd give/gave me gluten. I get scared and I'll say don't do that, if I'm not angered but it I'll chuckle and if it's a friend I may smack their arm in a friendly manner. But if how they said it truly angered me or sent me into a panic I'll be pissed and scold them. I'd never hurt them in anger, if anything I'd start crying in panic not wanting to literally turn into that scene from the Exotcist.
What Will did just put this on the map for everyone, now a ton more people know about her hair loss and the marital issues they had. I legit knew none of that now people won't shut up about it.
I had work so I didn’t catch the Oscar’s.
Thank you! I'm so relieved to hear someone who recognizes that violence against words is wrong!
I agree if he would have walked up and man to man told him that the joke was offensive hell if he did that chris might have even apologized then and there and it would have brought more attention to the condition itself
Damn that quote at the end just ties this up in a lovely little bow. Well done my guy.
How is it that we have made it this far in society and yet everything is offensive... a Joke is a freaking Joke.
Just ignore it if the Joke doesn't land to you.
What Will did was Inexcusable. Doesn't matter. You don't have a right to assault anyone.
your content has really switched up and I don't think you noticed. I really like getting to know some of your political views though btw. it's really interesting cause I binged your channel for a bit, and came back and this is at least the second video where you are just calling the world out. the interesting part is, you don't have to do this, it's pretty much just pure risk. And I commend you on speaking out when you feel it's necessary.
It's nice to know Will is brave enough to stand up for his wife Caillou.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
After G.I. Jane threw a tantrum. 🤣
Usually I'm just here for the king of the hill videos but lately I've been really interested in your perspective on certain topics
on the one hand, I think that making jokes at the expense of someone's wife or kids does carry the distinct risk of getting smacked in the mouth, but at the same time chris rock is a comedian and took it like a champ and kept things professional while de-escalating the situation and NOT letting his emotions take over. What I think is unacceptable is that he's given a public apology without talking person to person and making peace personally without the cameras or anything we could know. Will smith acted like a child, at the end of the day, and we all make these mistakes from time to time, but he hasn't taken responsibiility like a man.
Will Smith has made similar jokes at the expense of others before. Will Smith was 100% in the wrong here and should not get sympathy.
But it also doesn't help that Jada doesn't cherish Will as much as Will cherishes her, cuz of, you know, the infidelity.
@@HeroSword_P to be honest and many have pointed this out already but, no one would've made jokes about the Smith's if ya know, Jada had not made a episode on her show talking about and explaining her cheating, then trying to put herself in a different light like a victim the same moment, yes it's ok to talk about your mess ups but understand the consequences that may come afterwards cuz yes you will get money and people talking but that shit will age you quick if you already have a not-so stable mental
This is a very solid take on this topic. You solidly addressed the issue at hand with the respect and perspective I subbed to the channel for. I feel that, had Will just told him to shut up on the topic, or like you said, handling it privately like men, we never would have had this topic come up. Will's heart was in the right place, but his course of action was extremely out of line, which is a complex subject to address.
Thank you for your thoughts: you helped me figure out how I felt on the subject, which is awesome.
While both men were in the wrong Chris rock still kept his cool and Will just tarnished his whole career and image by assaulting another smh
by committing battery also*. assault and battery are not the same thing.
@@DevaPein You're half-right. Rather than just causing Chris to have a reasonable fear of being in danger of physical, he did that as well as physically striking him. So really, Will is guilty of both, but thank you for confirming we were accusing him of the potentially less severe crime
@@Randerson2409 You are correct, and it just needs to be noted. saying he just did assault really is not the reality in terms of legalities and such. In fact it down plays what he actually did by removing a part of the crime the assailant actually committed.
I don't see how this would be Chris's fault. He made a quick joke and was immediately ready to announce the nominations. Plenty of people have made jokes to other people at the Oscar's before. Will could have talked to Chris during the break or after the show and handle things like adults.