$200 Budget BIG BRAKE UPGRADE! Step by Step Creation + Assembly | Junkyard 5.3 Turbo Build
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- Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024
- This time on SPPTV we show you how Rob and Clayton put together a custom front disc brake upgrade for Rob's Turbo 5.3 project truck, for ONLY $200 Canadian! This setup will greatly improve braking performance, and was tremendously cheaper than buying an aftermarket big brake upgrade kit! With a combination of Ebay part's, fancy machine shop work, and some RFG fab work, this truck will be able to stop all it's extra horsepower with ease this spring!
The brake hardware being used was originally from a 4th gen Fbody. The brake rotor's are 12", and the calipers dual piston. A sizable upgrade over the S-10 Minitruck's factory front brakes. However making this work is not a bolt on procedure. The S-10 hub must be machined out of the factory brake rotor, and placed inside the Camaro brake rotor to be able to mount to the S-10 suspension. This mod can be done with an angle grinder and patience we figure, but we are sure glad Clayton saved us the trouble.
Clayton took care of the necessary machining at his work, resulting in super precise quality pieces. Watch him use all of his knowledge and the fancy machines at his disposal. Meanwhile Rob, an artist with the cut off wheel, does some trimming of the s-10 spindles to make way for the new brake hardware!
The finished product turned out great, and will make this s-10 stop on a dime ;). Rob covers how much everything cost near the end of the video for those interested in a similar swap!
In the next episode we go to the junkyard and find a brake master cylinder to match the new upgraded brakes, and also get the proper brake hose tabs. Subscribe now to be sure to catch it when it goes live!
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Clayton is a scholar and a gentleman and just a all around the man for not just doing this specialty work for the S-10 build. But also taking the time to video tape it so we can see how he does the work!
TheCrewChief
Making the world a better place, one hot chip at a time!
Just got all the parts gathered up to do my S10 .I picked the Riddler 606 wheels for my truck 18's staggered . And picked up a built 302 Chevy engine with solid roller cam and aluminum heads to replace the 4.3L thanks for the video
Now I need to find a local machine shop to make the brackets .
Can hardly wait to get started on my truck. Thanks again for the video
Good job fellas. Anywhere money can be saved is a blessing. Especially when your buddies can help the cause.
Thank you again for another great video man!
Nice to have a friend that's a good machinist
seeing a side of Clayton I never have before and I'm liking it!
Brilliant work. Really appreciate seeing all the CNC setups and ops. I'm looking forward to doing some similar projects after hours at work. Cheers from Montreal.
Any 1st gen s truck guys should check out the blazer steering knuckle swap. You can use the same Camaro dual pistons used here, but you don’t need to turn down the s10 spindles. Just get the knuckles and hubs off a 2000 or so blazer. Then you can fab brake adapters out of half inch bar stock, which lets you space the caliper out. I’ve got mine running 13.4” z51 corvette rotors and the Camaro calipers. You will have to run 17” rims to clear this setup.
Awesome. Lmao. Yeah I just became a lefty. Ahh man. Just when I was going to give Clayton made praise he went and killed it with that comment. He's still the man.
Alpha Ghost
You’re making me blush!
Alpha Ghost ض
Great work Clayton SPPTV ! (you're not just worth it for the sarcastic remarks)
Looks badass with those Irocs! Rob making it look easy!
The s10 is one sweet ride. I can’t wait to see it finished
Your work and engineering are a real inspiration! Very nice job every time I watch! Definitely copying this on my 89 extended cab! Thanks for all of the info!
Awesome job Rob and Clayton. Learned a lot on this one. Inspiring me to do my S-10. Thanks for another great video!
David Conley
Thanks Dave!
Great job Rob and Clayton! Setup looks great thanks for taking the time to share the process.
What an asset to have a machinist who will make your ideas happen. In my town I go to a machinist to get this work done and they all say Oh you can't do that, we don't do custom made parts. It troubles them to think, they only want to do easy work which requires no thinking.
jmshaw357
We all complement each other’s skills. While I can machine (I think anyhow), fab work isn’t so much my thing. And Mike, well I never knew what a good nights sleep was until Mike showed me the way!
jmshaw357
I kid about Mike, he’s taken to the tuning quite well and he takes care of all the work required to make the vids
Beautiful work guys! I can't see this being very economical without having a buddy who is a master machinist lol
John Muldoon
Getting a local machine shop to turn the rotors into hubs would cost an estimated $100/$150. The brackets can be fabbed by hand easy enough. Definitely not a job requiring a million dollars in CNC equipment. I have access to it so why not, right?
Look for the link with all the dimensions in the video description
That's pretty cool way to do a brake upgrade. I just might have to store this idea away in my head. It's pretty awesome that Clayton gets to do all that at his work. I don't get to do personal machining work at my job. That's why I have machines at home.
I was going to do this swap on my s10. Ended up just going with 98+ Blazer knuckles and brakes. Rotor size is not much different but the duel piston calipers are a big upgrade over the S10 calipers.
You gotta love Clayton's input !
You should have more subscribers, your content is excellent 👌
Thanks and we agree 🙂
You guys should make up some kits and sell this on Ebay. Most gearheads don't have the equipment to do the proper machine work. We didn't see how you made the pattern for the adapter brackets. I think 95% of the guys doing a build would pay to buy bolt on kit from you instead of taking a chance of ruining the spindles and hubs. Good job !
JD Newsome
The bracket dimensions are proprietary to SPPTV!
Just kidding, maybe Rob can put up the link to the dimensions of the bracket.
Clayton SPPTV I'd buy a spptv brake conversion kit
Jeffy joebob
I’m not sure that would be cost-effective after you include shipping me your old rotors and me shipping them back. The adaptor brackets could be made easily enough by hand and any local machine shop should be able to mod your rotors fairly cheap. Look for the link to the thread in the video description for the step by step process of doing this conversion
Clayton SPPTV Hey clayton could you let me know where i can order a set of those calipers please
Sorry I know this is an old video. By any chance do you guys know if this setup could work on a ‘91 OBS?
Nice job fellas going to try the same on my buick save some money ..tanks was going to go a different route THIS is better...
Liked watching the machining, pretty cool upgrade! Great video guys.
I'm going to try this on my 76 ElCamino this looks like a good up grade that is not an option for an old El like mine so thanks. The best line I have heard in a long time "Yea I just turned Left Handed the other day" still laughing
Ahhhhhh HA!!!, it all makes sense now, I shoulda known you're a lefty! lol I say that with all due respect of course. :-) Enjoyed the machine shop clips. Always enjoy seeing some chips fly!
just done the same set up on my s10 with a grinder and grizzly lathe
Truck is looking bad ass,
Bros that machine is cool great work fellas
Thanks for all the help there Mike... Mike?. Nice work gentlemen.
On my firebird I swapped the spindle for a late model Impala spindle with 12" brakes and used the 12" Power Stop Rotors from a 89 camaro 1LE, no cutting or fab, I think they will also fit on an s10
Thank you injoyed the video nice c and c
Looks great. Although there are so many videos on youtube these days that are DIY this or that and require $100,000 machines. Not sure about yall but i think DIY has changed from hack it together in your mothers garage to - > you have access to lathes plasma tables CNC machines. Either way great series i ve learned alot.
The mods to the rotor could easily be done without fancy machines.
Great video as usual!👍🏽
Yeah, budget brake upgrade. All you need is 100K worth of machines and knowledge to work it
You don’t need the fancy machines, a simple manual lathe and grinder would suffice and everyone knows a machinist, right?
It’s about a million between the 3 pieces of equipment used
And another $200 lol
In used a brake lathe on one set and a grinder on the other. Both work great
From some of the threads I've followed, it seems that 5.85" is the usual diameter they machine the rotors down to. I guess there's some variance on the inside of the Camaro rotors. Same thread also suggests making sure to use a 12.5mm drill bit to open up the stud holes. A few people have cracked their new hubs by using too small of a drill bit. The other suggestion I've seen said to put the studs in FIRST before turning the rotor down, but I don't know if that would be a problem for the machine shop. Hope this info is useful for someone. Great video, guys. Answered a couple of questions I had. I watched this right before I was going to head off to the Junkyard for Camaro brake parts. lol
JayinMI
True, I measured up the ID of the new rotors to have minimal clearance. My logic is it will give extra support and location on the new rotor
great vid guys, only thing you got wrong was the rotors went to the wrong side of the car than they were meant to
Peter Carbone
The direction only applies to a directional vaned rotor, in this case they are not directional so that doesn’t apply
the slots are cut directionally though so putting the rotor on so that as they rotate with the car the slots eject any loose brake dust
Peter Carbone
the slots are directional but the vanes inside the rotor are not
Here’s one of many videos explaining
ruclips.net/video/5OWM1wttWA8/видео.html
I cut cast iron for a living, yes, you need coolent, especially to retain a nice finish. (I am a cnc op for a large company)
Generally speaking, the graphite in the cast iron acts as a lubricant. For tight tolerance deep hole machining coolant can help but otherwise coolant is only used to keep dust down (been machining for 30yrs but thankfully haven’t touched dirty ass cast iron in the last 5yrs)
Great fabrication work!
Great looking work. I've done this before and always wondered if the master cylinder is putting out the volume to actuate the caliper properly. Like your doing I left the original master in place and didn't upgrade. In this case it would be adding a camaro master to have the proper volume for those massive calipers. Might have been in my head but mine never seemed to be an upgrade at all but the opposite. Enjoying the videos. Keep up the great work.
hammer head i upgrade the master in the next vid
That's the biggest bottle of loctite I've ever seen!
Looking great!, Keep it up
Keep up the great work !
Please do this for a C10 some time. They have kits but are way too expensive I think. I did the front already as the '71 and '72 c10s come with disc brakes. Bought a '72 rolling frame for $200 with working brakes.
I want to change lug pattern on my 2002 zr2 blazer(s10) to 6 lug like that on the gmt800 Yukon, any ideas?
Pretty good stuff. That front drivers rotor looked like it was wobbling when you did a test spin. Make sure its flat against the hub.
It wasn’t seated 100%
Clayton’s the master Machinist so zero worries there
Did clayton say I shimmed a three jaw chuck
Get it!!!!!!!!!
been watching your videos and you always refer to high temp paint wondering what type brand and for what etc... thanks great videos
Sure must be nice having friends with access to such an advanced machine shop. Can I be friends xDD
good jabs well done
impressive programming
Any concerns devolve over the years in this upgrade. Getting ready to do my 1998 S10 frame with a 1941 Chevy pickup body on it and LS drive train. The truck has been in the family since day one in 1941.
Haven't had any issues.
Never seen that big of a bottle of loc tite huge!
Jared Norris
Yeah, they used to throw jugs and jugs of that stuff in the garbage after it met the expiration date where I used to work. Military drivetrain specs are what they are
What is rotar and what did you get the calibers off of. I asking because I want to keep my 15 inch rally wheels
That driver's side rotor doesn't look true. It's probably just that it's not pushed up fully against the old hub and will be fine when you get the wheel and the lug nuts on, but it looked like you had it on there with a tight fit when you tapped it on with the mallet. I suppose you'll know soon enough when you get the wheel on and spin it. Anyway, I enjoy the videos. You guys have made me decide to finally learn how to weld. I've been missing out on some pretty cool stuff without that ability. And that machine work was bad ass!
joeshmoe12301230
It wasn’t seated 100%
Lol, I noticed that too on the video and it bugged my ass
I've never seen a rotor that bad so I was pretty sure it just wasn't seated but figured I'd comment anyway. And with the precision in how you machined the hubs there shouldn't have been any problems. All you guys working together makes for some really cool stuff. Looking forward to seeing more! Thanks.
I have a 06 gmc sierra with drums can I install rotors from an 05 or will the proportioning valve not allow it?
Sorry I know this is an old video. By any chance does anybody know if this setup could work on a ‘91 OBS?
I suspect this upgrade may perform better with an F-body master cylinder. What I know without a doubt is that rubber brake lines rot from the inside out. I know this is a budget build, but used rubber brake lines? Spend the extra $100 and put braided steel lines on it. Having done this on my 99 Formula... the improved feel, and stopping power of the brakes are worth every penny.
PLANT MANAGER i do a master upgrade in the next vid. The hoses look brand new but i may upgrade them at some point.
Will this work on a full size obs c1500 model
Is it possible the stock master cylinder is not sufficiently powerful to hold pressure on new 8 piston caliper chamber? Does this make sense?
Ya the bore size could be too small.
Hello I have a 1986 Toyota pickup 2wd do you think a Chevy s10 rotor will fit my truck as I’m trying to convert to 5x120.7 to run firebird wheels I’m hoping spindle shaft will be same size bearings
Not sure
@@SPPTVarmy thanks
Did you use stock s10 wheel studs or just longer s10 studs or did you us the camaro studs? Also does the rim stick out farther? Getting ready to do it on my 98. I went with z26 power stop. Had my local machine shop do the machining for $100 dollars.
I used longer wheel studs. I think the wheels stick out a tiny bit more but not much.
@@novaracer2000 you think those brakes would work with manual brakes? No brake booster
I dont see why not.
Rob, what is your opinion on the machined diameter of the hub to rotor clearance? Yours were machined to .005 over the rotor size but how critical is this? I am at about the same point on my Buick GN and am seriously considering trying to grind them with a flap wheel. I believe the lugs locate the rotor and the hub to rotor clearance is a non critical dimension. Thoughts??
Justin Philipps
You’re right, the bearing nose of the hub would locate the rotor along with the studs but I figured I’d make it all fit nice and tight everywhere just for added support/strength
great job clayton........great job rob....
How did the rotors and calipers hold up?
What is the added cost of having the brackets and milling the hubs for most who don't have access to special expensive machines such as these?
You could easily do it at home with a grinder, hacksaw etc.
I have seen it done a bunch of ways but only one way so far that I can keep a 15 inch wheel
I would like to do that upgrade but my wheels are 15. what size are the s10 wheels? 17. Do you think 15 would fit?
fast Eddie m i dont think they will fit a 15, mine are 18s. I can try a 15 on there to see though
👍🏻👍🏻 great video. Thanks for being detailed. I was looking which update to do to my s10. I did SSBC calipers on my last one but they still used tiny OE rotors so this is the route I’m going now. Any idea on the minimum wheel size these can fit in?
16 i believe
SweatPantsPosseTV 👍🏻👍🏻 thank you!
I need help!! I am working on an 8 piston upgrade on a SRT8 from 4piston OEM, i cannot get the system to hold pressure! No leaks, new master, caliper centered over rotor, any ideas!??
Bad master maybe?
@@SPPTVarmy thanks for the reply!! I see the stuff you guys do, i am hooked.
Unfortunately the MC is sound, furthermore i got a new one as an overkill measure. Imagine this, i have a perfectly functioning 4 piston brembo system as OEM, i put the 8s on, using all OEM components, van build up pressure, yet when i release the pedal, wait 5 seconds and reapply, pressure is gone. I can stop if i squeeze all the way down, but barely...reinstall the 4s, back to normal. 8s have no signs of leaks, torn dist caps, or seals, nothing.
I am in the twilight zone! 🤪
Did you factor in stress concentrations with having the bolt holes be that close to the edge?
Can i get the calipers off a v6 camaro or does it have to be of an ss what if i went the c5 calipers way is it pretty much the same thing
Yes v6 are the same. C5 calipers will also work, the gto has c5 calipers and rotors.
SPPTV thanks man badass 10
good jab
i like to put toyota breaks on one very nice oem caliper on tundra and tacoma
I have seen a similar conversion using Corvette components
Excellent job! Thanks for posting. What size studs did you use on the hubs?
What did you do for the rearend ?
The truck has a ford 8.8 so i used the original 8.8 disc brakes
@@SPPTVarmy nice work I always watch you guys work wish I had help like that. Dad past in January do it’s just me, my sons learning though. Keep dropping that content. Raffle some stuff off.
@@SPPTVarmy I love to have a sticker for my shed door
would it fit on 1972 chevy c10 sir
You have your Rotors on the wrong side the Air shouldn't be getting sucked into the middle of the Hub it should be getting pushed to the outside of the rotor. The way you have it Negates any airflow cooling the channels may provide. You're basically running a turbo compressor backwards which won't create any air flow... Unless you're driving backwards really really fast.
That only applies if you have curved vanes which these rotors do not have so either way is correct
@@SPPTVarmy So the grooves and holes on the outside of the rotor do nothing?
Wow I didn't know they were making non curved vane rotors with curved slots and holes, what brand are they?
I guess its a turbo LS truck probably only needs to slow down once at the end of the quarter and not 100 to 45 mph 12 times every 90 seconds for 20 minutes.....
fswerks.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/216703537-Which-direction-do-slotted-rotors-get-installed-?mobile_site=true
@@SPPTVarmy Wow, I would not buy rotors with backwards slots, I'm very curious why they'd put slots backward and counteract the centrifugal airflow on the face of the rotor.
How to build a budget car because you have 1 million dollars worth of machines..
troy combs
Nice to have but as the video explains, not a requirement
Right. ? 😂 I was like Danng let me see what I need to do I got 200 on my pocket lol
Just machining those rotors and hubs at my local machine shop they would charge me 500 lol plus I have show them this video so they’ll know what to do ...so that’ll be extra 500 lol plus the 200 total will be $1200 🤣
Why not just do the 2000 Jimmy blazer front and back conversion
Lol I can’t even drill a straight hole but anyways awesome job and clean car. Now back to where I started.
Sweet mods you guys. Wondering if you were using a dynamic tool offset when A or B axis was at 45 degrees during the turning op ?
"I just turned left handed the other day" rfg 2018
BoatManShuzz
Yes, it’s dynamic. I just input a B value and it applies the tool geometry at that angle
So it moves out the track width the thickness of the new rotor? about 3/8??
jerrynova1
Yeah, whatever the flange thickness of the new rotor is. I didn’t measure it but my guess is between 1/4” and 3/8”
was going to do the same swap in same vehicle, what engine mount kit did you go with? or did you fab your own?
Fabbed them
@@SPPTVarmy did you build that orange, what was it a nova? twin turbo. did you build that also?
Dont the slotted veins go the other way? shouldnt the gasses be ejected on the outer edge and not the inner?
They say it only matters if the vanes between the 2 halfs are angled, which these are not
I need to do a brake upgrade on my fiero eventually...
You don't have to cut anything to make the bracket work. You bolt the adapter to the bracket and then the adapter gets bolted to the mount. No need to cut if not wanting too. No need for the extra... to each there own.
I need this for my 64 Impala....help!!!
Badass my question is do u think I can do this to a 80's c-10
Rafael Sanchez im sure it would be similar. I might have to do it to my 76 jimmy at some point
Great video guys, nice work clayton and rob, wheres mike today? :)
He’s suspended for a week, we caught him smoking on the job
hahahahhahha... awesome
+whataboutbob editing video :)
You do good
If you don’t have access to anyone to machine your rotors or make the adapter flynbye machines and sells the hub and the caliper adapter
SPPTV Awesome cheap brake upgrade on your S10. I have a question though. When you cut the spindles for the abutment brackets, wouldn't you have been better off leaving the material underneath the bracket and drilled bolt holes through it? You could have had a bolt going all the way through the casting, through the bracket, and into the abutment. As it is now the whole caliper assembly is hanging off a 5/16" thick bracket. Or if you had left the material there, would you need the bracket at all? Is there a clearance issue or something I'm missing? Love watching you guys, keep up the good work.
KidKool31yo no, the bracket wont fit without cutting that material off
I'm not talking about the straight cut. I'm talking about drilling holes through the spindle after he made the straight cut.
KidKool31yo it needs to be clearanced for both is what im saying. the abutment bracket would not fit.
After thinking about it for a bit, it might be possible to do what youre saying. Im not sure if there was enough meat there to drill a good hole plus i dont think the backside was flat so you would have to grind it down to give the bolt head a good surface to grab on. I just did it the way i read about it on s10forum.
novaracer2000 honestly i was just curious. It looked like you could've made it a lot beefier. All good. Drive fast take chances!
Wonder if this would work on a c10 🤔🤔
Can I get kit for 68 impala using my same spindles. Howmuch $
We’re not making kits at this time but the link with the drawings/prints is in the video description
Maybe Rob can chime in about fitment on your Impala
What size wheel do you have to use to clear the caliper?
+Dave Knutson at least a 16 i believe
Ok, thanks for the the quick reply great job guys!!
Sure miss your videos when will we see them again
Soon!
Do you guys have a blueprint of that bracket??
There is a link in the description that leads to a diagram of the brackets
@@SPPTVarmy Can you post the link again? It does not show on here that I can see. Please.
www.s10forum.com/threads/corvette-and-ls1-brake-swaps-how-to-and-info.522849/
Nice work I did the same conversion on a G-Body if you need more brackets I can sell you some
Great work guys! Would you share the bracket dimensions?
Robert Hatcher
The link to the thread is in the video description. I also had to make the brackets 3/8 thick instead of 5/16 thick so keep that in mind.
@Clayton SPPTV
Thank you!
Do this with 98+ blazer front brakes and you don't need to machine a rotor.
Wow rotors milled into a hub...thats pretty cool...how much did Clayton charge lol
Money Mac
Aus Gratis on that one. Rob’s always the first guy willing to help out so I’m just paying it forward really. This one time he built a guy an 8 second car....for free labour too