Episode 31: Comparing Seats, Seat Mounts and Seat Belts across 3 generations of V8 Supercars
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2022
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As a sim racer who has been struggling with seat position mounting brakets, i found this video riveting!!!
Good work!
As an American getting into Australian Supercars, I’m loving the fact that you have a lot of videos showing how these cars are built. Hopefully one day I’ll be able to visit your shops in person.
Cheers, we don’t have an open shop as such but some of the professional teams do
Year late but right there with you. It’s a damn shame v8sc never got coverage here. It’s everything that people here want from motor sports over here plus more. Love these videos as always jack
Always delighted to have your insights and show and tell segments particularly coloured by Larry’s and your own involvement of wheeling these cars 😊
Cheers George
Wow the seat & mounting brackets on my sim rig are way more robust the the one in the 94 car. Thankfully they are so much safer today. What a fantastic insight into the evolution of the engineering in a race seat. Not something that you think about all that often until you put your bum in one. I hope you will have some video of the 12 hour prep & stuff. Good luck in the race.
Thanks for sharing
👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Yes much safer today and easier to manufacture decent stuff now with CNC machining technology etc.
Amazing to see the evolution of the seats over the years. The mounting of the ‘94 seat looks flimsy compared to the current mounting! Thanks Jack👍🏻🇦🇺
Yes much safer these days!!!
Love your work, Jack. Cheering for you in the 12 hour this weekend. 👍
Cheers!
I heard dad in the back ground giving you the hurry up at the end there jack... Lol
Haha yeah there was a bit of that!
Thanks for your work putting out these videos.
Cheers Antony, you're welcome!
Crazy how something as simple as a racing seat can be so complex. Also good luck this weekend Jack at Bathurst in the 12 hour. Go well mate and wishen you the best of luck. :)
Cheers!
Thank you Jack this is a must watch RUclips channel , keep it up Sir
Many thanks!
Jack as usual,love your channel. Can’t wait for the next one. Thanks
Cheers Mario!
G'day Jack,
Great video man.
We have certainly come a long way from the very early days when they figured it was safer not to use seat belts and get thrown from the car.
Anyhoo thanks for sharing.
✌️ from Pakenham Victoria.
Cheers
Thanks.
God this channel is informative, entertaining and awesome!
Would love to see you restore one of the ex Perkins VT/VX’s or a VS! Would be super cool to see!
Yeah that would be cool. Cheers
I love this little yellow shameless plug, is it real robotic arm from automation solutions or just a toy model? Love the series, being from Europe I didn't have a chance to see what level of engineering goes with Australian super cars, always loved that they mandated to run spool not a lsd diff.
Haha its just a toy model, pretty cool stuff though, looking forward to covering off the real deal in a future episode too
Nice segment Jack! You are not wrong about the value of those retro SAAS seats. I’ve been after one myself and know how hard they are to come by. Wish SAAS would do a re-run!! Keep up the good work.
Yeah thankfully we got the originals for our cars, and a couple of spares!! Cheers
@@perkinsengineering I’d be happy to take one off your hands mate. :)
Scary to see the old flimsy mounts and shoulder harness mounted on the floor... Good to see safety has come along way for the driver's these days.
Absolutely
Very interesting, I wonder when the hans device was introduced and when/if the seat design around the head and shoulders was built to accommodate or was a precursor to the Hans being invented?
HANS device came along about 2004 in Supercars. Seats didn’t change much specifically for the HANS
The change from a 3 inch belt back to a 2 inch over the shoulders was to do with HANS.
Jack, it's also worth mentioning the current Safety cell being used in Gen 2 and 3. Also when you track your restorations, do you need a current date stamped seat? Or can you use the old seats?
The current set-up is what's in the HRT car, shown third in that video. The Race Tech seat which is used with leg protection. The only cars that ran Safety Cells were Erebus cars and they changed to Racetech seats this year as the date finally ran out on the e-cells. With regards to the restorations it depends what you do with them, if you're restoring to sit in a museum then you can do anything you like, if you want to race them then there will be various safety standards the seats and belts will need to meet.
Hi Jack. What is the bottle inside the '94 car that is located in the passenger rear door? Speaking of bottle, perhaps you could do a video on the different water bottles that are used in the different cars.
I am pretty sure it is the windscreen washer bottle.
The white bottle mounted to the inside of the left rear door is the front windscreen washer bottle fluid. The red one behind the drivers seat is for the drivers drinking water. Yep, we were thinking of an episode of the wider interior once the the earlier cars are complete.
Sure is
@@perkinsengineering It looks like Larry’s working water bottle that he takes on the tractor.
Are you going to do a vid of the Beetle driver's seat?
I was just wondering about the beetle. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was the original. ✌️
Haha it's on the farm now, but uses all original gear still. It only had to run road regulations so i think it has a mixture of Gemini seats and somehow ended up with Alfa Romeo or Fiat seat belts.
Yes original !!
I assume they went back to 2" because the belts sat on the HANS device?
Yeah at a guess!
The differences in cage work are astounding, too. Although, do I spy an illegal windscreen cross brace up front? :P
Unlikely, which car are you referring too?
@@perkinsengineering In the 2003 car, is that not the infamous Larry Bar, similar to the one that saved Lowndes's life in 2005 at Bathurst?
@@silkysixx well that’s the Larry bar, not an illegal windscreen brace 🤣
@@perkinsengineering Oh, I genuinely thought it was illegal at one point. My mistake.
Were the shells of the SaaS seats made by Swampy Marsh by any chance?
Hey L.P. pipe down will ya ya boy is trying to tell us all something..🤣🤣
Good question, i'll have to ask around for that answer
@@perkinsengineering I'll ask Swampy. I know he manufactured all the fibreglass shells for HDT.
Can they weld two together so my fat arse will fit 🤣🤣
A long way from what they used in the sixties !
Haha nah they are composite not metal!!!
@@perkinsengineering
Glue perhaps? 🤣🤣🤣
Bloody hell, didnt Larry learn anything from the Earnhardt fatality. The only car with sensible harness mounts is the VF. The others?? dumb!! They will submarine you under the belts and stretch big time. I worked this out 30 years ago. The HANS belts?? are they really as strong. Many doubt it!
Though in FIA belts 2" is all you could get until the early 2000s. 3" spreads the load better. And the HANS will bruise you badly. Collarbones?
The solid mounts at the back of the seat are good and bad. Having the seat flex to absorb some impact is preferable if you get hit from behind or back into something. I have been there!! And while sore I drove home from the track. I have used my own seat moulds for 30 years and yes they are fibreglass with some aluminium glassed into the mounting points.With those solid mounts you would be in hospital. In a side on accident it is probably better. as the seat back does not move, Though then ribs etc? I have seen alloy speedway seats bent around the shoulder high mounts
Well, to be fair, these belts were set-up long before the Earnhardt tragedy, but clearly over time the belts have improved along with the mounting.