Episode 33: Steering Wheels across 3 generations of V8Supercars
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
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Another great episode ,just on the wheels Chrysler did that on their utes in the 70s it certainly helped tall and chubby folk getting in and out cheer👍👍
Hahaha good stuff
Thanks Jack, great episode yet again. You have nailed the two of my obsessions with these cars back in those days, SAAS seat, MOMO wheel. Still using my 30 year old MOMO on my sim now and it looks as weathered as yours. Great stuff!
Haha yeah it’s a handy combo!!! Cheers
Thanks for the lesson. I enjoyed it. I'm a Supercars fan from New Orleans Louisiana USA. GO SCOTTY!!!!!
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Good vids Jack, it's really great to see how things have evolved over the years, and you being hands on and actually part of the design and development makes everything so much more interesting.
Great work Jack cheers Mick.
Cheers Mick!
Jacks just full interesting information 👍🇦🇺
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Another cracking episode!
Cheers!
So cool, love these run downs. Do you know if anyone raced with the factory GrpA steering wheels from the VL & VN? The momo in the VN is the best feeling steering wheel I've ever used
Good question, I would say most likely no
Late ass response but is there a specific name for the model of momo they used for it? I’ve always wanted one
@@brdllc something like calibri it’s the name of it
Thanks for the video Jack.
You’re welcome!
Love the content. Thanks Jack
You’re welcome CK
Brilliant again. Thanks Jack
Cheers!!
Love the insight Jack!
Cheers Nathaniel!
Can only say ... thanks Jack, absolutely fascinating!
Cheers Ken!
Thank you Jack another great video we all enjoy- Regards
Cheers David
Thanks as always Jack for bringing us this amazing content
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Thanks Jack ,very informative every episode mate. We drove through Cowangie a few weeks ago, love the Mallee.Cheers Steve
Cheers Steve!
Thank you so much for this. I was just thinking when watching some of the recent content that I wanted to know more on the Group A steering wheels. Thanks.
You're welcome!
Love your work, Jack 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Top work as always Jack.
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Thanks Jack, another trip down memory lane for me. I think prior to that, those the likes L.P, Dick and Gricey used the SAAS wheel which was an Aussie brand and cheaper at a retail level. Back in the day the first mod I would do is to fit a MOMO wheel to every road car I purchased. It made you feel like a race car driver even if you weren't. Now days that's gone by the wayside with airbags. I also like to reflect on how far the cars have come and the differences. D.J's Greens Tuff Falcon was the first I remember having powers steering and yet the Commodores didn't run it. Russell Ingall would tell you that they were just tougher back then but I'm sure it was done purposely with the right rack ratio and to just eliminate another thing that could potentially fail.
Cheers Graham!
Thankyou for explaining why they have the track map on the steering wheel Jack. I've always wondered about that.
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Keep them coming Jack 👍
Yep we will Mike 👍👍
Great Video's Jack, keep them comming Sir
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Thanks Jack, very interesting 👍🏻🇦🇺
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Jack so hard to get perfection. Awersome content. Such beautiful car's. 💯🇦🇺👍
Cheers Grahame!
Awesome vid Jack keep them coming mate 👍👍
Thanks, will do!
G'day Jack,
Cool episode. Very interesting the way things have progressed with the steering wheel.
When you got into the last car your seating position is so different your almost part of the car.
Anyhoo thanks for sharing another great video man.
✌️ from Pakenham /Melbourne
Yeah that's probably the lowest and most inboard seat position and the column is adjustable etc.
That was a wheely good video Jack I wheely enjoyed it 😂
No power steering wouldn’t be to pleasant especially at Bathurst ! The drivers must have had a set of 💪 on them !
Cheers Ian
Loving the content Jack!
Cheers thank you!
Cool video
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Something attractive about the old bus steering wheel.
Haha yeah they’re pretty cool
Love the show Jack
Can you talk about in one of your show about driver position in car I have noticed over the years driver position has moved back in the car and closer to Center. Cheers Tom
Yes we can do that 👍
The 2003 steering wheel is an absolute minter
cheers Jack, thats so cool to see the evolution of these steering wheels. i still like the 93 cars steering wheel, why did Larry choose and stay with the Momo steering wheel
Good question, i'm not sure if they initially got them for free or bought them but eventually PE was sponsored by the importer of MOMO, Recaro and Speedline - Roman AutoTek
Really great to see the evolution of the wheel from older cars to new. It might be interesting to do a video on the rest of the driver controls too? Did the 93 car have driver adjustable sway bars, brake bias, etc as the modern cars do? I notice when you were sitting in the HRT car, they've got something to driver's right on the carbon panel you climb over getting in. I assume that's somewhere else in the older cars given you were sitting further outboard in those. Possibly even touch on other driver comforts too, drink bottles, cool suits, etc?
Hi Jim, yes it's definitely a future ep for sure. If you follow our restorations via facebook and youtube you'll notice we refer to the 1994 car as the first car with a cockpit adjustable rear sway bar. The 1993 car didnt have one in 1993. The HRT car has sway bar adjusters and brake bias on the right hand side, which is as per 2015 spec. Those controls have since been moved back to the left of the drivers seat in basically all of the current cars on the grid. We will look at a driver ergo and comfort episode too, only one car uses a coolsuit (HRT), the others all use basic drink bottles 👍
@@perkinsengineering Awesome, thanks Jack. I love to see your commitment to maintaining and preserving these machines!
Thanks Jack, I'm loving reminiscing seeing the inside outs of these cars that I used to watch in my teens!! At 7:16 What is the pulley on the steering shaft near the dash?
Motec Steering angle potentiometer to measure steering angle for data logging to aid & maximise car setup.
Yes as Kevin says its the steering potentiometer to measure the drivers inputs on the steering wheel!
@@kevinhayes3823 Thanks Kevin
Hey Jack, im a life long DJR fan but always had a soft spot for LP. I am loving this series you are doing. Its bloody awesome. I have a question if you don't mind.. CoF, though to Gen 3, do you like the control chassis aspect or should we go back to production body shells? The reason for my question is simple really. A bespoke race car is a bespoke race car. A Touring is a Touring car like the ones you are restoring 🙂
I don't really know enough about Gen 3 to comment properly. I am a big fan of Parity and equal equipment, but there's no real similarities between cars these days, so the variances in the body shells would be enormous if using the road car. Some would be aluminium etc.
So steering wheels went from large diameter & $150 to smaller diameter to $5000 for a wheel. Year that is a great way to keep costs down 🤨😜. Another excellent video Jack. I do like the old school stuff. I use a SAAS 350mm on my sim rig turning cars ect & a McLaren wheel for stuff that have a steering stick. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
They shouldnt be $5000 for a wheel, the sparco flat top/bottom wheels retail for only 500!!
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I was referring to a modern Supercars custom wheel.
We got a lot to learn
What on?
@@perkinsengineering everything in that garage. Keeps the vids comin bro. Even the smallest things u might overlook means alot to us
.. great info there JP!
but am curious (as I run a 340mm Momo suede wheel on my VK race car) what wheel did LP run on the white VK?
very interesting & I know all the cars now use power steering but the current Commodore seem to suffer a lot of power steering failures so perhaps the Perkins kept it simple was best with less to fail.
Yes the current issues are strange, they just shouldnt happen, maybe finger trouble with assembly? or basic engineering faults.
How ya going Jack, just out of curiosity, nower days teams like triple eight occasionally run a yolk/GT3 speck wheel. When they flattened the top of the wheel in the HRT car why didn’t they go to a yolk style wheel? All good if you don’t know just curious:) keep up the great content and have a good one.
Yeah I’m not sure, I’d say cost. The Sparco wheel in the HRT car is only $300 odd dollar before adding all the switches etc.
What adjustability are you talking about when you mention Dad’s 93 car, and the co driver who had to put up with it?
Meaning was it adjustable when the steering column was installed into the car?
The steering wheel was basically set in place for one driver and never changed. These days if one driver needs it moved 5mm or 10mm it’s got scope for adjustment
Think ive got one of those wheels in my shed.
Send us some pics on Facebook or email
Jack, how much quicker is the steering rack ratio from '93 VP to current spec?
They must be close to a Formula Ford style ratio (1 turn lock to lock) now ?
I haven't had a chance to measure properly, the current racks still differ a little bit team to team, some liner and some non linear etc.
Jack ( hope I'm not to late) but the actual steering. How far does the steering wheel turn from centre to lock? Surely not as many turns as my HX.
Which car?
Is that a practice crash or a crash in practice 😂👍
Haha either or either 😂
Leave the winning wheel on the car
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So your not at the race track your in the workshop so why don't you use a hoist? Is all your Under car work done on a crisper .
Christopher from Queensland
We’ve never owned hoists and you have to work on them at the track without a hoist so that’s the main reason!
I have to say the last part of a car that I think that would get damaged in a crash is the steering wheel. So Jack how come the steering wheel in that crash got bent?
Huge amount of force goes through the driver into the steering wheel, especially in a big head on hit like that.
Yeah driver hanging onto it!!
I would like see how difficult it has become to get in and out of the cars over the years the new cars look like you need to be a contortionist to get in and out if the new cars compared to the old ones
Yeah when the cars are on the ground we can do that for sure
Was your namesake Jack Brabham JP. ?
I don't think so!
Where is the horn
In the car park 😂
Power steering is for the tow vehicle. Something that goes wrong it seems every meeting. Scott Pye in particular.
I know the current cars run shitloads of caster,, but do they really need it?? Really 8 degrees max should be all that is reliable. Without it they will gain power and reliability. And maybe lose a little immediate turn in
Yeah with only 8 degrees castor most cars will be going around the outside of you at a slow speed corner with more front grip! Anything under about 15-18 doesn’t turn very well. Some teams run 24-25! Power steering enables you to run geometry that makes the car faster without the driver complaining the steering is too heavy
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