Episode 24: Front Suspension and Front Uprights across 3 generations of V8Supercars
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2022
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There's some sophisticated engineering in the front ends of all three vehicles.
Thanks mate absolutely bloody awesome cheers
Amazing! The engineering in these setups is crazier than I could I have even imagined.
Cheers
I don’t comment much as I don’t have anything to add of any intelligence but just want to say thanks for all the effort that goes into these videos Jack and crew. It really is appreciated and I kinda feel it’s capturing a golden bygone era of Aussie Motorsport.
I for one appreciate anything you post.
Many thanks Matt! Cheers for the support
Great job Jack, informative videos. As a racing nerd I am loving this video series, look forward to the next one.
Cheers, next one will be out soon
Beautiful and genius fabrication and innovations across the board! Although seeing how complex it gets is killing my dream of building a street and track supercars replica haha, just coilovers will have to do!
congrats on your sponsor, and well done Automation Solutions.
Thankyou Jack for the excellent explanation.
You’re welcome
What a difference in engineering over the years. Very well explained Jack and always looking forward to what you show us next. Thanks for the video.
Cheers Deane
I noticed a ‘moon boot’ Jack....I hope you are ok and nothing too serious that can be fixed with rest and care until you’re back to normal activities again. Thanks for another well presented video, showing how complicated the ongoing changes became as each evolution model rolled out,
Cheers Greg. Yeah just a little mishap at home, on the mend now
@@perkinsengineering Yess. I can vouch that working at home is sometimes more dangerous than in a workshop or on site, typically because you get a bit too casual at home! 🙂
Good on ya Automation Solutions!
Yes very nice people, chuck them a like on Facebook “Automation Solutions Australia”
Love your work 👍
Another cracking informative bit of content mate. Great stuff. See you at PI 👍🏼🏁
thanks for that great video Jack showing the development of the front suspension and brake mounts, over the different generation cars. cant wait for slide throttle video
Yes we are looking forward to that too
Fantastic video Jack. Really demonstrates the changes in the front suspension set-up over the years very well. 👍🏻🇦🇺
Cheers David
Love your work Jacko
Another fantastic job Jack. Really informative and eyeopening for people who thought they had a good engineering setup brain, id be hopeless on a real life race car
Haha cheers
G'day Jack,
Firstly congratulations on the channels first sponsor.
It's certainly very interesting the changes in front suspension that has come along through the years I can see how the bottom feeder teams can do it hard especially if they sustain damage.
It will be very interesting getting Larry's perspective on the way they where designed.
Looking forward to seeing the next video.
✌🏻 Peace.
Cheers Kevin
Thanks Jack love the channel and forever on my Holden Mount Rushmore 😀 ❤️ 🚗
Cheers Adam
So cool to see the evolution of suspensions and the cars
Currently selling a genuine Perkins slide manifold as of 3/3/22 comes with trumpets fuel rail and air box, also have AFR -9 heads to suit the manifold. Jack if you're interested pm me. Was meaning to see if you or Larry had a need for it still.
Mate these videos are soooo good, amazing engineering and fabrication. Cheers Jack
Cool. A sponsor. No more google ads!!
That would be good!
Great episode Jack, well done! Amazing how we can see evolution from road car base to full blown race car with COTF .....
Cool to see
Really enjoy your vids jack, keep up the good work mate
Cheers for the support
Great video and info mate
Another great video Jack, Interesting to see the differences as always
Cheers Cam
That fabricated upright must've taken quite a bit of work, would hate to stuff up the last weld and have to throw the thing away. Cheers for the vid, very informative indeed.
Imagine that!
@@perkinsengineering Sod's law says it has to have happened more than once. Welding is one of those skills that really does amaze me. Might be nice to do some vids of how to weld and or see an expert do some really tricky stuff. Not that I'm saying you can't weld well, but know it is an art when it comes to fabricating something like that upright.
How good Castro love the model and used the oil for 400k in a Nissan d22 same engine
Spot on Jack👍
And congrats on gaining a sponsor. It will only be a matter time before more wish to support your chanel.
I would but i'm putting all my hard earned into an off road build. Lol.
Cheers!!
Great stuff Jack, you can really see the development of the cars over the years and you can see the expense that crept in!!!!!!
Can’t wait to see what LP is up to and the Holden engine.
Cheers
Seams as you get newer it all gets so much more complicated and far more expensive to fix
Did it make it so much better to drive
Good content jack
Another really interesting video Jack. Would you be able to explain those red circular safety stands that are propping up the second car. I've seen them at race meetings but have never seen how they are operated.
Thanks for another great video. Really loving what u guys r showing
Cheers Jared
really cool look..that will help me setup in sim! thanks Perko!
No worries
Cool thanks mate
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Great vid Jack. You are providing oz touring car technical content that no one has ever posted before. I really appreciate the effort you do to explain the diff between various years. Is that your memory as a young bloke or wat you learn talking to Larry and his mates? Prob both.
Cheers! Yeah it’s what I’ve picked up over the years, mostly from working in the cars and being involved for a long time
Hope that leg injury wasn't a result of the honeymoon Jack
Haha no it wasn’t!
Just goes to show how overly complicated things have gotten now. A lot more cost effective & simple to maintain with the 1st two vehicles. I must say the quality of the restorations is outstanding.Jack what is going on with the leg?
Thanks for sharing
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Minor collision at home, coming good now! Cheers for watching
Great chanle. love watching it especially with the older cars and your dad's builds 👌 I my self could not really get into watching the V8 from the VE cars onwards
Cheers Shane
Great presentation Jack….what have you done to your leg? What ever I hope it heals quickly…
Just a busted bone in my foot…..
Looking forward to the Holden engine episodes, found LPs section on Enforcer and the Dude fascinating!
Awesome, why was P.E. using 5 stud wheels for 1993, from memory most of the other teams were still running centre bolt?
We used 5-stud right through until 1999-2000! It was cheaper to run what we had always used, we had wheels, hubs, rattle guns etc.
Great stuff Jack. Awesome. Thanks. Is the '93 car really using a VK strut knuckle?
Yes we used VK strut knuckle from 1986 on the VK right through to 2002 on the VX
Can you show how the centrelock pin goes into the wheel hub? I've never seen how those work up close
It not hard to see where the dollars have gone with these cars especially when you are designing things like your own front uprights. Hopefully the controlled ones with Gen 3 will be one of those cost savers.
Yeah if they froze development 5-10 years ago, and maybe homologated 2 or 3 versions, market force and performance would’ve saved everyone a lot of money and probably ended up with the same version in all cars
How many people sill have the boxed match box commodore which you got with a green container of oil I have 👍
I wish I could get ahold of one! I collect hot wheels and recently got into the Australian supercars /holden. Would be a great addition, hope I can find one
Great info again , what cars are you running at PI for the VHRR Classic ?
We are running the 2003 VY again and also the 2015 HRT VF
HI Jack - Interested to know what the last upright was fabricated out of - Titanium ?. It's a work of art ! ( i assume for reducing unsprung weight). Was it made in house ?
Nah steel. Fabricated in house.
There’s a minimum upright weight, maybe 12 or 14kgs so no gains by using expensive materials
I'm loving the detail. This is great. I'm am curious as to what difference it made to moving the brake caliper to a trailing design over the original forward mount?
Normally done to move the weight towards the centre of car, as well as making the ducting easier to route.
Great video Jack!! I’m a speedway racer still using the old style McPherson strut, any chance you’d share what roll center height was achieved with the lower mounting of the ball joint?
I’ll have to check our records actually, don’t have that number in my head at the minute
Fibre optics: what info are you measuring and sending via the AFC gear, and how?
P.S. love this channel Jack. Can we get a video on the Perkins caliper that got banned after his Bathurst win.
Sorry Simon I’m not following? AFC gear? Yes we will do an episode on the Perkins calipers this year!
@@perkinsengineering at 12:54 there is an AFC (Australia fibreoptic communications) sticker on the inner guard forward of the strut, unless I've mistaken the logo.
Looking forward to the calipers :)
@@simonk6201 I believe that’s Australian Fibreglass Composites who make the composite inner wheel tub lining
@@perkinsengineering haha very similar logo.
I was hoping there was some fancy data acquisition happening.
Thanks again Jack
I'm guessing there's no ABS to my knowledge so, the wheel speed sensor is data?
Correct, no ABS, wheel speed sensor for data recording purposes only
In the day, were you aloud to design anything or were there rules
There were always rules, but the rules changed over time
How much caster angle do the Gen2 run...?
Each team is different. Probably anywhere from about 12 to 26
Great informative video, is that a moon boot Jack?
Yes it is 😔
@@perkinsengineering Hope it's not serious Jack, get well soon..
what did you do to your leg?
Fractured a bone in my foot
Jack do you like the idea of a control upright?
Yes and no. I would’ve frozen the front up right rules, make everyone’s designs transparent and then you would ultimately end up with a control upright without forcing everyone to spend the money on a control part
You driving at PI for the historic meeting??
Yes, we are running 2 cars in 5litre touring cars
@@perkinsengineering sweet, I’ll see you down there!
Great vids Jack, don’t know if u have been asked, but y have u got a moon boot on m8
Fractured a bone in my foot, on the mend now
Great stuff, very interesting to see the so-called “Ford” front suspension. Just curious, was it a huge advantage having the double wishbone, compared to the McPherson’s struts?
What do you mean "so called Ford suspension"? It was the suspension design used by the Ford V8 supercars, which was the design used in the Ford Falcon road car. The Commodore used a strut.
@@angry9901 sorry, I was looking everywhere for a ford part number, but I didn’t see one anywhere. I’m pretty sure Jack said it was made by PE, too?
I see your point, because Ford did not make it, the change from the Commodore strut to the design used by the Falcon should not be referred to as the Ford suspension. I hope you don't get upset when he says the diff is a Ford 9 inch, because Ford did not make the housing or gear set.
@@angry9901 my question was how big an advantage was it having 4 link front end compared to struts? Holden used the upper and lower control arm setup long before Ford, but call it whatever you want, doesn’t bother me 🤷♂️
The double wishbone front suspension is definitely a better design! With the strut you get varying roll centre geometry through wheel travel, with double wishbone everything can be designed properly.
what is wrong with your right foot?
Nothing. Left foot is the problem.
You came to a bit of mischief jake I hope all is well
I'm like number 666