60% burns doesn't look like a speedy recovery for the burnt body parts. How can a hybrid be built in a way, that the batterie is even able to directly compromise the fuel tank. If a company can get an operating licence for such a poor construction, there's a lack of regulation, obviously.
When designing some electrical devices in the 70s through to the 90s health and safety was primary in my mind. As such, in an electrical failure automatic locks would be released in some cases and implemented in others. It is blatantly obvious that there are shortcomings in EV locking systems which urgently need addressing.
It's a safety feature that the doors lock once you're in - However when the vehicle malfunctions, nothing works right at that point. ¿ Do we really need all the technology ⚙ they put in vehicles now - I don't want most of it.
@@larkop6504 yes Zhejiang Geely Holding of China.... there over run with ev cars they carnt get rid of. They clearly dont care these cars are endanger lives.
Owned (78%) by Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, who also own or control Smart, Proton, Polestar, Lotus, Benelli, London EV Co., part owner of Aston Martin and joint ventures with Renault.
@AlexLancashirePersonalView > Electric cars are shocking. Brave man, hope he gets recognition for this. I take it you've got proof that this fire was caused by the electrical part of the drive train. You must have, if your comment isn't just mad, biased, fact-free ranting, so could you please share it?
Everything is made in China thats why everyone elses carbon footprint is small. They do make really good electronics to be fair, you wouldn't be making comments on here without them 😊❤
Funny how we never had this problem with mechanical locks, as long as they were maintained. Get rid of electric locks and at least you'll be able to get the hell out.
the best system is a hybrid system where the locks are manual & electronic like my old mans mitsubishi pajero made in 1993 had this & it STILL works to this day!! The reason they fail isn't because they're electric it's because they aren't designed with the same philosophy to last like in the old cars, every corner cut to save pennies in the pound & made out of the cheapest materials to make them last just enough so they outlive their warranty with every component.
@@woodrick88yes it will; and so will the doors on my 2011 Toyota Urban Cruiser. despite having a smart entry system where i only need to use the key when the 12v battery is flat or fuses are blown! The car behaves like a shuttlecraft from the starship enterprise, opening and closing at will just for me, locking automatically if i walk away. but when the battery dies it's a normal door lock and the handles inside are all mechanical. even my child / prisoner locks are mechanical, open the door, raise lever, close door, and i have to consciously do that manually, so totally safe, for me!
Look its not just Volvo its the political path of western governments have obviously been making, these decisions are obviously having adverse effects on the general public.
Toyota originally did not want to go down the EV path , they wanted to use alternative "green" solutions . It was rumoured the old CEO left because the younger members of the board wanted to go almost full EV.
@@stevenjones916 Sony invented and scaled up production of lithum-ion for use in high-end video cameras. China copied them. I've seen much wanton destruction of video and stage equipment over the years, but never a lithium fire. You may have a point!
Team of scientists invented a way to charge NIMH batteries in seconds back in the 80s. GM bought the patent. It's been sold twice since, but has never seen daylight...
Practical, reliable but safe for their day. Based on a 740 from 1982. Safety has come on leaps and bounds the last 20 years. Most cars get 5 star euro NCAP. Volvo 940 Front A pillar and dash would crumple/ risk lower leg injuries. I love my 940, but never want to be in a crash, goes for any car but a modern one is way better safety wise. The fifth gear 940 versus Renault Modus.
Coincidentally, I saw the post about this awful car fire a couple of hours ago! Very dangerous situation. It's a good job that we can share information about things like this. It seems to me the car manufacturers and dealers don't make much of an effort to share such vital information.
Thanks Geoff, when you can please fill in more details when you get them. I am looking to meet my MP and find out how incidents like these are being suppressed by the authorities. They do not want the public to see any evidence at all regarding EV fires. We think we live in a free country, just shows you we do not.
@daviddavies8637 > Thanks Geoff, when you can please fill in more details when you get them. Why? Surely you don't care what the truth is? > I am looking to meet my MP and find out how incidents like these are being > suppressed by the authorities. They aren't. >They do not want the public to see any evidence at all regarding EV fires. They don't mind one bit if people see the *EVIDENCE*. The problem comes with people like you, who don't want to see the evidence but want to spout some ludicrous conspiracy fantasy for which there is no evidence. > We think we live in a free country, just shows you we do not. We live in a reasonably free one, despite what the Tories did to try to put a crimp in that. But only you know what kind of invented reality you think you live in courtesy of your febrile imagination.
@@GordonHudson > They put fiberglass Transit van shells over the wreckage so you don't see it's an EV. Of course they do. All the time. There are supplies of thousands of them stored in strategic sites around the country, with expert covert teams of people installing them. So good are they at working "under-cover" that nobody has ever managed to film them doing it. You utter f---ing pillock.
@ianhughes7805 > Strange how this hasn’t been mentioned by our main media No, it really isn't. Car fires are not particularly newsworthy unless they cause a major incident, there are hundreds of them every day. Regional news outlets reported it, but there was nothing there to interest national news. Using average figures there were about 80 people killed or seriously injured on the roads that day - how many of those were covered by "main media"? There's no conspiracy of silence - a car catching fire just isn't "news".
I don't know why, but out of all your videos this one Brought me to tears especially when you showed us the pictures. He is a hero and i wish the grandad and granddaughter well and a speedy recovery to them both.
Watching a program about the motorway police and they covered a ICE Audi that caught on fire. Dad slowed and moved onto the hard shoulder; he, his wife, daughter and the family dog got out. They then unloaded their luggage as they were driving to Cornwall on a family holiday and retreated to a safe distance. ICE fires are generally low consequence. I wish these people well in their recovery.
@@robaustin245but don't explode. I had a diesel Amarok catch fire in the engine bay due to a large birds nest igniting. I controlled it with 3 extinguishers then a water hose till fire brigade arrived after 20,mins. Their big-boy hose put it out in moments. No damage behind the engine compartment. An EV battery fire would have destroyed the vehicle in less than a minute.
And those who deliberately ignore a car park one-way system in order to head off vehicles that are following the system, to claim a vacant space to which they have no entitlement and should be occupied by the car at the front of the legitimate queue of traffic - but of course they're selfish, arrogant twats.
I see you didn’t make it clear this wasn’t a BEV I also would like to point out you have not (and never do) highlight the countless news stories such as these! A vehicle fire along the A14 westbound near Milton caused long delays. The incident took place at around 7.50am on Thursday morning (July 18). Car fire cause tailbacks on M54. July 18th 2024 Two Worcester Station crews from the Hereford & Worcester Fire and Rescue Service (HWFRS) were called to the fire at 6.41pm, 16th July, which occurred on the M5 Northbound between junctions 6 and 7. A spokesperson for HWFRS said: "A small fire in the engine compartment of a vehicle on the hard shoulder had been extinguished before the fire service arrived. A convertible car burst into flames on the A456. 20th March 2024 Van fire spreads to other vehicles and blocks M6. 20th November 2023. Burnt out! Ford Transit diesel burst into flames on M6 near Wigan. 13th August 2023. Burnt out! Commercial van caught fire at Sandbach Services on M6 12th August 2023. Burnt out.! Vehicle fire closes M6 near Knutsford. 19th June 2023. Burnt out! VW Golf burst into flames on M6 near Hanley. Burnt out! 5th Oct 2023. Cause of fires undetermined. NOT an EV in sight. For the sake of drivers on the M6, all ICE vehicles should be banned from using it. Car fire spreads to house in Dittisham. Burning fuel runs down street! 20June 2023. A CAR set on fire on a drive with flames spreading to a house in Stourport-On-Severn. Not known why car set alight! 25th May 2019 Two cars, a house and its garage struck by fire at Dove Lea Gardens, River, Dover. May 2017. Two cars burnt out and part of house damaged. (Clearly ICE vehicles) Still working the old “EVs are death traps” clickbait angle eh?
Yes. Less than one percent of all car fires are with EVs - that was from the honest John web site. Anyway All cars contain combustible material like brake fluid which is extremely flammable. The problem with battery fires is they are very hard to put out though
A very serious situation, but it isn't an electric car. It is a hybrid. Where there is little to no thought in the design of battery cooling. This same nightmare has happened all over China with BYD Hybrids. Whilst many members of the general public think that Hybrids are the best next step... they are clearly unsafe.
Prayers and best wishes to Dave and his granddaughter and wife. Speedy recovery for you all. Quick actions and thinking Dave you are a man amongst men. 😟 Thanks Geoff for the report.
Wish Dave and his Granddaughter a speedy recovery. I love the old rear wheel drive Volvo's. Had 740, 240 and currently have a 1996 Volvo 940 SE LPT estate. Bought in 2016 for £250. Reliable and easy to service. 4 years ago wanted a 2nd car. Thought about a Volvo prior to FORD ownership, then Chinese, but thought no. Early pre 2003 V70 isn't bad. Reliability was my main goal and cheap to run. Bought a 2015 Toyota Auris Hybrid estate with 26k miles. Reliable and 50-60mpg. Zero tax and an A to B car. James.
My first post seems rapidly buried, but a quick check now shows Volvo online warning people about the 48 Volt battery in the boot. No doubt a laminated cardboard cover will maintain adequate fire integrity into the passenger compartment. And it will likely have more robust battery cable protection than seen recently in another brand I rented with the same bizarre thinking over safe locations for lithium batteries.
We live in a tiny dead end street.. There are two hybrids and two evs.. Scares the life out of me.. House behind us the other week was engulfed by an electric bike at the bike door.. Went up so fast and nearly set the building beside alight too 😮
@@nixswatson I genuinely hate it.. The road is tiny, if any were to go up, trying to get your car out the way would be ridiculous.. And my side of the street, the houses are much closer to the road.. And one is always parked right I outside our house.. If it went up, we'd be stuck in the house..
@@kristinabelievesinfairies you need to somehow make your neighbours aware of the potential dangers Maybe design some sort of leaflet highlighting it with links to videos and as Geoff stated in this video about Volvos recalls etc Hopefully when they see actual evidence they may realise and get rid of those dangers Are they approachable for a chat?
@@nixswatson sadly I can pretty much guarantee, they are the kind of people with the attitude of 'nowhere else to park'.. The leaflets idea is good though..
Except that EV fires are becoming materially less common than then already-vastly less than ICE that they were. And probability of hybrid fires like this one were always worse than OCE and not getting any better at all.
@@aidanapword You can't prove that because we don't have very old EVs that have let the repairs becoming neglected. The amount of EVs that are over 25 years old is extremely minimal.
@@aidanapword Let me take you back to my original statement that you replied to. "When EVs get older and repair neglect happens is when EV fires will become common." That is not a strawman argument, that will become a fact.
@JoeBManco except the data on the trend of EV fires from the 2012 to 2024 is clearly understood and incidence of fires is actively and markedly falling too.
Clearly Volvo has a problem. HOWEVER, recent statistical research indicates that an ICE vehicle is 20 times more likely to catch fire than a pure EV. Oddly, an Hybrid is 40 times more likely to catch fire than a pure EV - no explanation was given for that phenomenon. Now, while it has been documented that pure EVs are less likely to catch fire (and will always hit the headlines when they do), the problem is that IF a battery suffers thermal runaway, resulting in a fire, they are a bastard to put out. Newer battery tech (notably the BYD Blade battery) are less likely to suffer thermal runaway, even if the battery is pierced. I feel sorry for the family that got injured by this event and that they should have a good case against Volvo for financial compensation. Volvo should not have been delivering new vehicles if there was signs of a fire safety issue.
A thought occurred to me this morning. The UK Motability scheme, provides cars for all manner of disabled people, some of whom, have significant mental and physical disabilities. The scheme, is one of the biggest purchasers of BEV and Hybrids. Just imagine the problems, if a car did ignite! I think, the people, who use that service, should wake up and refuse either type of vehicle.
The service does not require customers to refuse any vehicle. It offers a broad selection of all types (more ICE than non ICE btw) of vehicle from which customers choose (not refuse).
@@BasketCase The service requires the customer to choose a vehicle. Then to choose a dealer to provide it. Motability has nothing to do with the service that the dealer provides nor the availability of any vehicle chosen.
Hell, that must have been terrifying. This fella should sue Volvo as it sounds like they knew about the risks. His granddaughter could have been killed, as could he and his wife. 😔
He should have done his own research because if he did he would have seen that they are the burniest cars you can buy! Wouldn't touch one with a ten foot bargepole tied to another ten foot bargepole!
Thanks for bringing this to our attention Geoff. I have to admit that it has taken me a while to realise that my wife knows more about the faults of electric cars/vehicles than I do, and she is not the least bit interested in cars. When she first told me about these incidents where they quickly burst into flames, I thought it was someone sensationalising electric car hate, if you know what I mean. I do like a lot of the leccy cars, but gradually have turned away from them, and now practically ignore new releases due to these shocking problems. I know not all of them will do this, but the chances owners are taking are far to much. They all need to complain very loudly to the highest level of manufacturers, get them to recognise these safety issues and resolve them as quickly as possible, immediately. Doesn't matter how expensive they are, or how good they look or how good they make you feel, they are never (potentially) worth the lives of your family, never! Well done to Dave for what he did, he had the best immediate reaction and didn't mess around, or dither. A few class action law suites need to be made, supported by ALL electric car/vehicle owners, I mean, who is going to be next in Dave's position?
@BobH809 > Thanks for bringing this to our attention Geoff. You say that, and yet... > I thought it was someone sensationalising electric car hate, if you know what I mean. It is. It really, *really* is. And Geoff is a serial offender.
Don’t conflate hybrids with BEVs. Gas cars catch fire 11X the rate of BEVs and hybrids catch fire 40X the rate of BEVs. Hybrids and BEVs are at opposite ends for fire risk.
Risk and consequences are different things. Battery fires are quicker and more intense so may well have 100 times the injuries, fatalities and property damage even if there are less of them.
Dave is a hero. How low Volvo have fallen. Still cannot understand why electric vehicles that rely on battery power have mechanical locks replaced by electronic ones, retractable handles, no mechanical gauges etc. It makes no sense when battery power is needed to drive the vehicle and range is already compromised.
Getting ahead of the curve... good call Geoff 👏🏼 it is chem tr@ils too , i haven't stopped sneezing like many others, none of us suffer with hay fever! 🤷🏼♀️ Grandad Dave is a hero! Bless them 🙏🏼
Chemtrails are amazing, they've even been able to get inside my house with closed windows all day, as I've been sneezing today too. Jokes ............ chem trails aren't real !!!
I do hope Dave and family make a full recovery this must have been a terrible experience! however, the moral of the story is : Don’t buy Chinese crap from Volvo, MG or Polestar, they are full of cheap crap Chinese technology, it really is just not worth the risk.
For Mr Butler, a nightmare, but My God, that poor child - that he couldn't even SEE her because the noxious smoke and gas from the battery was so thick.
Geoff, if that's hay fever, get local honey in hot water down you. Its made from the local pollen, so will activate your body to fight against it. (I'm nowt to do with the honey trade, by the way). Top job Dave.
@@whitehart11 Not exactly sure butt. It started as a granny tale, but if you look, there is evidence to back it up. Unless you're an athlete, its better than rubbing vaseline around your nose (latest Gen Z "cure"). Home made Elderflower wine cured Mam's hay fever 45 years ago.
I was in Wales at the weekend and on my way back on Sunday, I saw 2 seperate car fires on the M4 on the other side of the motorway. I didn't have a chance to see what make they were but I would guess they were either hybrid or electric.......
This may explain why I am seeing some hybrids with green number plates now. Its as if they are being made as a warning and identification for emergency services. Saw a Range Rover Evoque on a 24 plate today with that green identification on it which may clarify it as a PHEV model.
@anonnona8099 as I said I saw a brand new Range Rover Evoque today with the green plate on it. It was one of the JLR staff cars so I can only assume they have put that plate on for a reason.
@@bentullett6068 > @anonnona8099 as I said I saw a brand new Range Rover Evoque today with the green plate on it. I guess when I said "No, you're not" I should have said "Not any legal ones you aren't". > It was one of the JLR staff cars so I can only assume they have put that plate on for a reason. Well, I know that JLR are close to launching a fully electric RR, but AFAIK it isn't out yet, and I don't think it will look like an Evoque. If they are also developing/prototyping a pure EV Evoque, or using one as some sort of mule/technology test-bed they generally keep as low a profile as possible. So unless the driver's reason is to pick up a fine for an illegal number-plate....
@@bentullett6068yes and that reason is to live out their own fantasy about third self importance and the value to society of running fast and loose with the truth. A bit like Geoff but rich (or used to be until they fill the tank with fuel).
My best wishes for a speedy recovery. Geoff, show some respect by not using this story to push your anti-EV agenda. This just highlights the problem with electronic locking. Ive been in two car fires in my lifetime - the worst as a child as the car caught fire while being driven. No tech/ electronics (on a Triumph Herald), so we we were thankfully able to get the hell out very quickly.
A study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency backs up Tusker’s findings. It concluded that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars. With data corroborated from a US insurer, the study found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold. Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000.
Petrol cars are way more likely to catch fire and an exploding fuel tank is instant and violent. Cars are very safe but when there is a fire, fossil fuel or battery, it is a terrible thing. I wish everyone in this particular story all my very best wishes but on the day this happened there were statistically dozens of ICE cars catching fire. My real issue here is the fear and hysteria created by the lack of balance by some irresponsible people online.
My neighbour has bought an xc40 and leaves it on charge overnight, somewhat concerning to say the least. I've discussed with my missus what we should do if it bursts into flames (jump the back fence)
I and his parents won't even let my grandson charge his RC car overnight or put it on a fast charge . The heat even from the small battery is quite high
It's not necessarily the fire, Ice cars also catch fire. But it's the speed as demonstrated by this story they take hold. Hope a speedy recovery and best wishes
Just look into the ratio / proportionality and also factor in how much longer ICE vehicles have been around. There is NO COMPARISON, EVs are DEATH TRAPS.
This happened very close to where I live, There were quite a lot of emergency service vehicles at the scene when I was coming home from work. Glad everyone got out and wished everyone a speedy recovery.
Horrific and unnecessary from the very car company that prided itself on car safety. My best wishes to this gentleman and his granddaughter. I hope they are ok. ❤
When will this madness end, I feel for the guy and his family but the fact he knows about Geoff why did he get one, why are people not covering these story's , COVID EFFECT I guess
Wife's description in local news report "I smelled smoke, and turned to see the back of the car ablaze as if someone had poured petrol on a barbecue" If you combine that with the photo, it's clearly a fuel related fire. Also how do the injuries tie in with a battery fire? Wouldn't they be far more severe? Has the fire brigade confirmed it was a battery fire?
Wishing Dave & the little one a full & speedy recovery, legend !
Yes and y thank god her managed to save littlen.
Speedy recovery dave and young one!
@@roberthiggins6401and take photos.
100% hero, thank god he managed to get the granddaughter out. Speedy recovery Dave.
60% burns doesn't look like a speedy recovery for the burnt body parts.
How can a hybrid be built in a way, that the batterie is even able to directly compromise the fuel tank.
If a company can get an operating licence for such a poor construction, there's a lack of regulation, obviously.
I never understand why cars lock when danger arrives.
Too much bloody electronics in the wrong places
When designing some electrical devices in the 70s through to the 90s health and safety was primary in my mind. As such, in an electrical failure automatic locks would be released in some cases and implemented in others. It is blatantly obvious that there are shortcomings in EV locking systems which urgently need addressing.
@@DavidJohnson-yg8qm Tesla retracts the handles so nobody can help.
It's a safety feature that the doors lock once you're in - However when the vehicle malfunctions, nothing works right at that point.
¿ Do we really need all the technology ⚙ they put in vehicles now - I don't want most of it.
@@6581punk - I didn't know that.
@@6581punk and Landrover
Volvo was all about safety. Decades ago.
They are Chinese
I remember the joke....insecure drivers drive a volvo....
As far as I recall it's owned by the Chinese now
@@larkop6504 Geely
@@larkop6504 yes Zhejiang Geely Holding of China.... there over run with ev cars they carnt get rid of. They clearly dont care these cars are endanger lives.
As an ex-firefighter and full time Grandad, I can only imagine how terrifying that would be. Well done Dave
Thanks for your service sir god bless ❤
Horrendous!
Volvo used to be all about quality and safety, just another garbage manufacturer nowadays.
China bought it years ago.
Yep another Chinese owned CO with mostly manufactured in china now.
@@bumpkinrocks badge engineering
Owned (78%) by Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, who also own or control Smart, Proton, Polestar, Lotus, Benelli, London EV Co., part owner of Aston Martin and joint ventures with Renault.
It is now owned by Geely a CHINESE company!!. Design is Swedish but built all in China. Let me say that in Trump's tone : Chi- Na.....
Electric cars are shocking. Brave man, hope he gets recognition for this.
I don’t think it’s an electric version, mild hybrid I think.
@@CiderGuy Yep, mentioned at 0:17. Horrifying.
@AlexLancashirePersonalView
> Electric cars are shocking. Brave man, hope he gets recognition for this.
I take it you've got proof that this fire was caused by the electrical part of the drive train.
You must have, if your comment isn't just mad, biased, fact-free ranting, so could you please share it?
Pun… intended?
@@anonnona8099 Have you got proof it wasn't cause by electrics? if so, share it
Dave this story is crazy i hope your grandchild has a speedy recovery and you. Me as a grandad i would be so upset.
Yes.
Sadly no longer a Swedish company but a Chinese company so says it all really!
how does that 'say it all' really?
@@JakobusVdLquality control
@@altern8tive ah yes SerpentthesnakeZA, he’s as credible as those “China will COLLAPSE in 30 DAYS” videos made *TWO years back*
Everything is made in China thats why everyone elses carbon footprint is small. They do make really good electronics to be fair, you wouldn't be making comments on here without them 😊❤
It will always be a swedish company, no matter who owns it. Just look at the board of directors, 3 out of 15 are chinese.
Funny how we never had this problem with mechanical locks, as long as they were maintained.
Get rid of electric locks and at least you'll be able to get the hell out.
But electric locks cheaper...
But electric locks cheaper...
the best system is a hybrid system where the locks are manual & electronic like my old mans mitsubishi pajero made in 1993 had this & it STILL works to this day!!
The reason they fail isn't because they're electric it's because they aren't designed with the same philosophy to last like in the old cars, every corner cut to save pennies in the pound & made out of the cheapest materials to make them last just enough so they outlive their warranty with every component.
@@DatBoiOrly So the door opens with the main handle if the power dies?
@@woodrick88yes it will; and so will the doors on my 2011 Toyota Urban Cruiser. despite having a smart entry system where i only need to use the key when the 12v battery is flat or fuses are blown!
The car behaves like a shuttlecraft from the starship enterprise, opening and closing at will just for me, locking automatically if i walk away. but when the battery dies it's a normal door lock and the handles inside are all mechanical. even my child / prisoner locks are mechanical, open the door, raise lever, close door, and i have to consciously do that manually, so totally safe, for me!
That poor man. I hope the child managed to avoid injury.
Well he had time to take photos. Not impressed with that.
He didn't take the photos of the car you mong@@xr6lad
@@xr6ladhe didn't take the photo of the car someone else did. Sorry if him being a hero doesn't impress you. Always some clown chatting bollocks
@@xr6lad shut up you clown
@@xr6ladidiot.
Incredibly irresponsible of Volvo!!!
Look its not just Volvo its the political path of western governments have obviously been making, these decisions are obviously having adverse effects on the general public.
Owned by the Chinese 🇨🇳 Geely company
That’s a limited edition Volvo Fireball…..
Chinese chao ba duo
Maybe that's the reason why Toyota have been so conservative, using NiMH batteries for the longest time in their hybrids.
Toyota originally did not want to go down the EV path , they wanted to use alternative "green" solutions . It was rumoured the old CEO left because the younger members of the board wanted to go almost full EV.
NGL if we're forced to switch I'll probably buy a toyota Prius
@@DatBoiOrly I trust the Japanese to produce quality a hell of a lot more than the Chinese.
@@stevenjones916 Sony invented and scaled up production of lithum-ion for use in high-end video cameras. China copied them.
I've seen much wanton destruction of video and stage equipment over the years, but never a lithium fire. You may have a point!
Team of scientists invented a way to charge NIMH batteries in seconds back in the 80s. GM bought the patent. It's been sold twice since, but has never seen daylight...
Tries to open door
Volvo: I cant let you do that Dave
Dave: what's the problem?
volvo: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
I hope the little one and her grandad make a full recovery. God Bless.🙏
I keep a wide berth in car parks and on the road.
I won’t go any way near an electric or hybrid vehicle.
Thanks I appreciate the space
I don't park close to EVs.
We joke about it in our house, but this incident really is no joke. 😮😳
Daft as that may sound, where ever possible, I don't either.
Won't work on a ferry or the chunnel
I never even thought about the danger of parking near them. Thank you.
@eileenmacdougall8945 Or having one park outside your house?
Funny that my local Sainsbury's there's always a Tesla with space around it . Even if the cr park's busy .
Why I love my elderly 1990’s Volvo 940 & 960’s! Practical, safe & reliable. Worth their weight in gold!
Practical, reliable but safe for their day. Based on a 740 from 1982. Safety has come on leaps and bounds the last 20 years. Most cars get 5 star euro NCAP. Volvo 940 Front A pillar and dash would crumple/ risk lower leg injuries. I love my 940, but never want to be in a crash, goes for any car but a modern one is way better safety wise. The fifth gear 940 versus Renault Modus.
@@jameskyle380
5th gear took the engine out of the 940 to make the crash “impressive “!
Horrendous incident
Coincidentally, I saw the post about this awful car fire a couple of hours ago! Very dangerous situation. It's a good job that we can share information about things like this. It seems to me the car manufacturers and dealers don't make much of an effort to share such vital information.
The govt allows them to suppress this kind of thing as it does not fit the agenda.
@@sunnybnk grow up ffs
@@sunnybnk
> The govt allows them to suppress this kind of thing as it does not fit the agenda.
Liar.
It is not a case of 'growing up' but being a realist.@@angrygromit93
Dave, you are a true hero. Wishing you and your granddaughter a speedy recovery.
Thanks Geoff, when you can please fill in more details when you get them. I am looking to meet my MP and find out how incidents like these are being suppressed by the authorities. They do not want the public to see any evidence at all regarding EV fires.
We think we live in a free country, just shows you we do not.
@daviddavies8637
> Thanks Geoff, when you can please fill in more details when you get them.
Why? Surely you don't care what the truth is?
> I am looking to meet my MP and find out how incidents like these are being
> suppressed by the authorities.
They aren't.
>They do not want the public to see any evidence at all regarding EV fires.
They don't mind one bit if people see the *EVIDENCE*.
The problem comes with people like you, who don't want to see the evidence but want to spout some ludicrous conspiracy fantasy for which there is no evidence.
> We think we live in a free country, just shows you we do not.
We live in a reasonably free one, despite what the Tories did to try to put a crimp in that.
But only you know what kind of invented reality you think you live in courtesy of your febrile imagination.
They put fiberglass Transit van shells over the wreckage so you don't see it's an EV.
@@GordonHudson
> They put fiberglass Transit van shells over the wreckage so you don't see it's an EV.
Of course they do.
All the time.
There are supplies of thousands of them stored in strategic sites around the country, with expert covert teams of people installing them. So good are they at working "under-cover" that nobody has ever managed to film them doing it.
You utter f---ing pillock.
@@GordonHudson 😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂😂 yeh right, and Elvis is still alive!
Xc40 isn’t an ev…
Holy moly, Dave you're a legend, hope your recovery is smooth.
We have to fight to keep ICE.
What, the train service ?
@@des_smith7658😮👀😒🤪...
As long as we have down to earth car manufacturers like Toyota and Mazda, ICE cars will be here for decades to come.
Ice causes more fire than ev.
Well we all gotta vote for the right political party then haven’t we
Strange how this hasn’t been mentioned by our main media
@ianhughes7805
> Strange how this hasn’t been mentioned by our main media
No, it really isn't. Car fires are not particularly newsworthy unless they cause a major incident, there are hundreds of them every day.
Regional news outlets reported it, but there was nothing there to interest national news.
Using average figures there were about 80 people killed or seriously injured on the roads that day - how many of those were covered by "main media"?
There's no conspiracy of silence - a car catching fire just isn't "news".
Car fires happen every day continuously. It’s not news.
Well done Dave for saving your granddaughter. Top man. Very bad news for Volvo. I am not inclined to buy electric and this helps confirm my worries.
I don't know why, but out of all your videos this one Brought me to tears especially when you showed us the pictures. He is a hero and i wish the grandad and granddaughter well and a speedy recovery to them both.
Nowadays anything described as outdated means in reality fully functional and fit for purpose.
Lovely chinese batteries
they really are - most of the battery fires are non-Chinese
@@OM617a - they just might like BYD or building spaceships for moon trips
@@firstlast-pt5pp Evidence?
@@dcarbs2979 - see BYD's blade batteries
@@firstlast-pt5ppRubbish
Watching a program about the motorway police and they covered a ICE Audi that caught on fire. Dad slowed and moved onto the hard shoulder; he, his wife, daughter and the family dog got out. They then unloaded their luggage as they were driving to Cornwall on a family holiday and retreated to a safe distance. ICE fires are generally low consequence. I wish these people well in their recovery.
Hence why diesels are more safer than petrol cars since diesel takes longer to burn than petrol
@@DatBoiOrlyHarder to put out.
@@robaustin245but don't explode. I had a diesel Amarok catch fire in the engine bay due to a large birds nest igniting. I controlled it with 3 extinguishers then a water hose till fire brigade arrived after 20,mins. Their big-boy hose put it out in moments. No damage behind the engine compartment. An EV battery fire would have destroyed the vehicle in less than a minute.
Except for when they’re not.
Those speeding car park knobs really grate on me too.
And those who deliberately ignore a car park one-way system in order to head off vehicles that are following the system, to claim a vacant space to which they have no entitlement and should be occupied by the car at the front of the legitimate queue of traffic - but of course they're selfish, arrogant twats.
@@chrisaskin6144 Oh yes. They take a close second place as they pose less danger to others.
I see you didn’t make it clear this wasn’t a BEV
I also would like to point out you have not (and never do) highlight the countless news stories such as these!
A vehicle fire along the A14 westbound near Milton caused long delays. The incident took place at around 7.50am on Thursday morning (July 18).
Car fire cause tailbacks on M54. July 18th 2024
Two Worcester Station crews from the Hereford & Worcester Fire and Rescue Service (HWFRS) were called to the fire at 6.41pm, 16th July, which occurred on the M5 Northbound between junctions 6 and 7.
A spokesperson for HWFRS said: "A small fire in the engine compartment of a vehicle on the hard shoulder had been extinguished before the fire service arrived.
A convertible car burst into flames on the A456. 20th March 2024
Van fire spreads to other vehicles and blocks M6. 20th November 2023. Burnt out!
Ford Transit diesel burst into flames on M6 near Wigan. 13th August 2023. Burnt out!
Commercial van caught fire at Sandbach Services on M6 12th August 2023. Burnt out.!
Vehicle fire closes M6 near Knutsford. 19th June 2023. Burnt out!
VW Golf burst into flames on M6 near Hanley. Burnt out! 5th Oct 2023.
Cause of fires undetermined.
NOT an EV in sight. For the sake of drivers on the M6, all ICE vehicles should be banned from using it.
Car fire spreads to house in Dittisham. Burning fuel runs down street! 20June 2023.
A CAR set on fire on a drive with flames spreading to a house in Stourport-On-Severn. Not known why car set alight! 25th May 2019
Two cars, a house and its garage struck by fire at Dove Lea Gardens, River, Dover. May 2017. Two cars burnt out and part of house damaged. (Clearly ICE vehicles)
Still working the old “EVs are death traps” clickbait angle eh?
Yes. Less than one percent of all car fires are with EVs - that was from the honest John web site. Anyway All cars contain combustible material like brake fluid which is extremely flammable. The problem with battery fires is they are very hard to put out though
Another safe and effective product ☝️
Manufacterers dont give a shit about customers after the sale. They truly don't.
The arrogance of all the brands is simply staggering
That’s just capitalism.
My 32-year old 240 has never burst into flames - or not yet, anyway!
My 56 year old Ford Falcon hasn't caught fire yet as well .
A very serious situation, but it isn't an electric car. It is a hybrid. Where there is little to no thought in the design of battery cooling.
This same nightmare has happened all over China with BYD Hybrids. Whilst many members of the general public think that Hybrids are the best next step... they are clearly unsafe.
Speedy recovery to Dave and grand daughter.
Prayers and best wishes to Dave and his granddaughter and wife. Speedy recovery for you all. Quick actions and thinking Dave you are a man amongst men. 😟 Thanks Geoff for the report.
This is a very sad situation 😢
This is horrific. Poor guy, well done for rescuing your granddaughter. I'm literally lost for words, how different the outcome could have been 😢
Wish Dave and his Granddaughter a speedy recovery. I love the old rear wheel drive Volvo's. Had 740, 240 and currently have a 1996 Volvo 940 SE LPT estate. Bought in 2016 for £250. Reliable and easy to service. 4 years ago wanted a 2nd car. Thought about a Volvo prior to FORD ownership, then Chinese, but thought no. Early pre 2003 V70 isn't bad. Reliability was my main goal and cheap to run. Bought a 2015 Toyota Auris Hybrid estate with 26k miles. Reliable and 50-60mpg. Zero tax and an A to B car. James.
Geoff those hayfever symptoms are signs of the new Covid variant !! 😅
Also this gentleman is a hero apart from his vehicle choices
Wow, thank God the girl is safe and OK. Hope she and the grandfather has a speedy recovery.
Wishing you and the little one a speedy recovery
Dave you are a Hero, you absolute star. I wish you and the baby a quick and healthy recovery.
Wishing Dave and the little one a speedy recovery, well done Dave ❤ xx
Wow what do you say poor chap , " you cany open the rear doors" ev = death machines . I hope you and your Granddaughter make a speedy recovery Dave.
Best wishes and a swift recovery for Dave and his granddaughter from Germany! May God bless you!
My first post seems rapidly buried, but a quick check now shows Volvo online warning people about the 48 Volt battery in the boot. No doubt a laminated cardboard cover will maintain adequate fire integrity into the passenger compartment. And it will likely have more robust battery cable protection than seen recently in another brand I rented with the same bizarre thinking over safe locations for lithium batteries.
We live in a tiny dead end street..
There are two hybrids and two evs..
Scares the life out of me..
House behind us the other week was engulfed by an electric bike at the bike door.. Went up so fast and nearly set the building beside alight too 😮
Wow! How scary for you..
@@nixswatson I genuinely hate it..
The road is tiny, if any were to go up, trying to get your car out the way would be ridiculous.. And my side of the street, the houses are much closer to the road.. And one is always parked right I outside our house.. If it went up, we'd be stuck in the house..
@@kristinabelievesinfairies you need to somehow make your neighbours aware of the potential dangers Maybe design some sort of leaflet highlighting it with links to videos and as Geoff stated in this video about Volvos recalls etc Hopefully when they see actual evidence they may realise and get rid of those dangers Are they approachable for a chat?
@@nixswatson sadly I can pretty much guarantee, they are the kind of people with the attitude of 'nowhere else to park'..
The leaflets idea is good though..
A petrol car catches fire 20 times for every 1 battery car ! fact . you should always look at facts to make judgements not opinions
When EVs get older and repair neglect happens is when EV fires will become common.
Except that EV fires are becoming materially less common than then already-vastly less than ICE that they were.
And probability of hybrid fires like this one were always worse than OCE and not getting any better at all.
@@aidanapword You can't prove that because we don't have very old EVs that have let the repairs becoming neglected. The amount of EVs that are over 25 years old is extremely minimal.
@@JoeBManco but these ICE vehicles that are combusting are new vehicles with service plans. So your point is a straw man.
@@aidanapword Let me take you back to my original statement that you replied to. "When EVs get older and repair neglect happens is when EV fires will become common." That is not a strawman argument, that will become a fact.
@JoeBManco except the data on the trend of EV fires from the 2012 to 2024 is clearly understood and incidence of fires is actively and markedly falling too.
This is horrific. What a wonderful and brave Grandad. I so Hope they make a full recovery 😢❤
Speedy recovery Dave, i WILL NOT BE GETTING AN ELECTRIC OF ANY SORT, STICKING WITH MY DIESEL.
Wishing Dave and his granddaughter a very speedy recovery and sending love! So awful.
Clearly Volvo has a problem. HOWEVER, recent statistical research indicates that an ICE vehicle is 20 times more likely to catch fire than a pure EV. Oddly, an Hybrid is 40 times more likely to catch fire than a pure EV - no explanation was given for that phenomenon.
Now, while it has been documented that pure EVs are less likely to catch fire (and will always hit the headlines when they do), the problem is that IF a battery suffers thermal runaway, resulting in a fire, they are a bastard to put out.
Newer battery tech (notably the BYD Blade battery) are less likely to suffer thermal runaway, even if the battery is pierced.
I feel sorry for the family that got injured by this event and that they should have a good case against Volvo for financial compensation. Volvo should not have been delivering new vehicles if there was signs of a fire safety issue.
A thought occurred to me this morning. The UK Motability scheme, provides cars for all manner of disabled people, some of whom, have significant mental and physical disabilities.
The scheme, is one of the biggest purchasers of BEV and Hybrids. Just imagine the problems, if a car did ignite!
I think, the people, who use that service, should wake up and refuse either type of vehicle.
The service does not require customers to refuse any vehicle.
It offers a broad selection of all types (more ICE than non ICE btw) of vehicle from which customers choose (not refuse).
@@DwaynePipes The service supplies EVs and Hybrids much much quicker and cheaper than ICE vehicles.
@@BasketCase
The service requires the customer to choose a vehicle.
Then to choose a dealer to provide it.
Motability has nothing to do with the service that the dealer provides nor the availability of any vehicle chosen.
@@OM617a
What size of people carrier did they need?
@@OM617a
I see that there are four vehicles that size.
Three are electric but there is one diesel.
Hell, that must have been terrifying. This fella should sue Volvo as it sounds like they knew about the risks. His granddaughter could have been killed, as could he and his wife. 😔
He should have done his own research because if he did he would have seen that they are the burniest cars you can buy!
Wouldn't touch one with a ten foot bargepole tied to another ten foot bargepole!
Thanks for bringing this to our attention Geoff. I have to admit that it has taken me a while to realise that my wife knows more about the faults of electric cars/vehicles than I do, and she is not the least bit interested in cars. When she first told me about these incidents where they quickly burst into flames, I thought it was someone sensationalising electric car hate, if you know what I mean. I do like a lot of the leccy cars, but gradually have turned away from them, and now practically ignore new releases due to these shocking problems. I know not all of them will do this, but the chances owners are taking are far to much. They all need to complain very loudly to the highest level of manufacturers, get them to recognise these safety issues and resolve them as quickly as possible, immediately.
Doesn't matter how expensive they are, or how good they look or how good they make you feel, they are never (potentially) worth the lives of your family, never! Well done to Dave for what he did, he had the best immediate reaction and didn't mess around, or dither. A few class action law suites need to be made, supported by ALL electric car/vehicle owners, I mean, who is going to be next in Dave's position?
@BobH809
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention Geoff.
You say that, and yet...
> I thought it was someone sensationalising electric car hate, if you know what I mean.
It is.
It really, *really* is.
And Geoff is a serial offender.
This was not an electric car.
Don’t conflate hybrids with BEVs. Gas cars catch fire 11X the rate of BEVs and hybrids catch fire 40X the rate of BEVs. Hybrids and BEVs are at opposite ends for fire risk.
Risk and consequences are different things. Battery fires are quicker and more intense so may well have 100 times the injuries, fatalities and property damage even if there are less of them.
Dave is a hero. How low Volvo have fallen. Still cannot understand why electric vehicles that rely on battery power have mechanical locks replaced by electronic ones, retractable handles, no mechanical gauges etc. It makes no sense when battery power is needed to drive the vehicle and range is already compromised.
As a Grandad my self ...... This is fucking infuriating ,,Speedy recovery Dave to you and your Granddaughter ❤
Getting ahead of the curve... good call Geoff 👏🏼 it is chem tr@ils too , i haven't stopped sneezing like many others, none of us suffer with hay fever! 🤷🏼♀️ Grandad Dave is a hero! Bless them 🙏🏼
Chemtrails are amazing, they've even been able to get inside my house with closed windows all day, as I've been sneezing today too. Jokes ............ chem trails aren't real !!!
sneezing my ass of for last few days. thought it was just me. no other symptoms really. 🤡🌍
A touch of the covids - this variant is highly infectious
Please stop with the highbirds flew over the cuckoos nest sneezes....ya makin me nose itch..
@@Nite-owl contrails are real
I do hope Dave and family make a full recovery this must have been a terrible experience!
however, the moral of the story is : Don’t buy Chinese crap from Volvo, MG or Polestar, they are full of cheap crap Chinese technology, it really is just not worth the risk.
Prayers and Positive vibes being sent your way,Dave. Be well.
Love is an incredible thing. Being burned alive yet continuing to work to save a loved one. We wish him a speedy recovery.
For Mr Butler, a nightmare, but My God, that poor child - that he couldn't even SEE her because the noxious smoke and gas from the battery was so thick.
Geoff, if that's hay fever, get local honey in hot water down you. Its made from the local pollen, so will activate your body to fight against it. (I'm nowt to do with the honey trade, by the way).
Top job Dave.
How does that work then?
@@whitehart11 Not exactly sure butt. It started as a granny tale, but if you look, there is evidence to back it up. Unless you're an athlete, its better than rubbing vaseline around your nose (latest Gen Z "cure"). Home made Elderflower wine cured Mam's hay fever 45 years ago.
Just around the corner from us this, saw all the commotion. Wishing them a speedy recovery.
Nevermind compensation! This is PTSD stuff.
Chinese electric cars are famous for fire outbreaks
That smoke can be lethal in itself.
Best wishes to both for speedy recoveries, very brave man and I hope the operations go well.
To anyone new to EV's, i have one they are shite, and they are dangerous.If you love your family, DO NOT BUY ONE.
I was in Wales at the weekend and on my way back on Sunday, I saw 2 seperate car fires on the M4 on the other side of the motorway. I didn't have a chance to see what make they were but I would guess they were either hybrid or electric.......
Mate. To be fair don’t assume. Observe. This is what wrecks our cause - supposition.
Good luck Dave, all the best.
Saved the little one in the nick of time. What a man🙏 get well soon!
Hope you both get better soon
This may explain why I am seeing some hybrids with green number plates now. Its as if they are being made as a warning and identification for emergency services. Saw a Range Rover Evoque on a 24 plate today with that green identification on it which may clarify it as a PHEV model.
@bentullett6068
> This may explain why I am seeing some hybrids with green number plates now.
No, you're not - hybrids don't qualify.
@anonnona8099 as I said I saw a brand new Range Rover Evoque today with the green plate on it. It was one of the JLR staff cars so I can only assume they have put that plate on for a reason.
@@bentullett6068
> @anonnona8099 as I said I saw a brand new Range Rover Evoque today with the green plate on it.
I guess when I said "No, you're not" I should have said "Not any legal ones you aren't".
> It was one of the JLR staff cars so I can only assume they have put that plate on for a reason.
Well, I know that JLR are close to launching a fully electric RR, but AFAIK it isn't out yet, and I don't think it will look like an Evoque.
If they are also developing/prototyping a pure EV Evoque, or using one as some sort of mule/technology test-bed they generally keep as low a profile as possible.
So unless the driver's reason is to pick up a fine for an illegal number-plate....
@@bentullett6068yes and that reason is to live out their own fantasy about third self importance and the value to society of running fast and loose with the truth.
A bit like Geoff but rich (or used to be until they fill the tank with fuel).
My best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Geoff, show some respect by not using this story to push your anti-EV agenda.
This just highlights the problem with electronic locking. Ive been in two car fires in my lifetime - the worst as a child as the car caught fire while being driven. No tech/ electronics (on a Triumph Herald), so we we were thankfully able to get the hell out very quickly.
😢 We the people deserve accountability.
EV=Exploding Vehicle
Extremely Volatile.
@@paulineashcroft1485 Exploding Volvo?
ICE = what's ice?
@@dougaltolan3017 Internal Combustion Engine
@@kevinsylvester770 No 💩 Sherlock!
Try reading it again, when you can think.
Hint, there's a difference between ICE and ice.
Prayers to your recovery and your grand daughter. Glad your wife is ok.
Wishing Dave & the little one a full & speedy recovery, Get well soon, praying for you
A study by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency backs up Tusker’s findings. It concluded that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.
With data corroborated from a US insurer, the study found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold.
Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000.
But there are fires and there are *FIRES.*
Petrol cars are way more likely to catch fire and an exploding fuel tank is instant and violent. Cars are very safe but when there is a fire, fossil fuel or battery, it is a terrible thing. I wish everyone in this particular story all my very best wishes but on the day this happened there were statistically dozens of ICE cars catching fire. My real issue here is the fear and hysteria created by the lack of balance by some irresponsible people online.
My neighbour has bought an xc40 and leaves it on charge overnight, somewhat concerning to say the least. I've discussed with my missus what we should do if it bursts into flames (jump the back fence)
I and his parents won't even let my grandson charge his RC car overnight or put it on a fast charge . The heat even from the small battery is quite high
Dave put his family first, brave man.
Volvo better pay out massively
One reason why I've had a Life Hammer in my cars since 1994. Smash windows, cut seatbelts, when it goes wrong.
He learned the the hard way.
It's not necessarily the fire, Ice cars also catch fire. But it's the speed as demonstrated by this story they take hold. Hope a speedy recovery and best wishes
Just look into the ratio / proportionality and also factor in how much longer ICE vehicles have been around.
There is NO COMPARISON, EVs are DEATH TRAPS.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69yes there are.
The future is bright... 🥴. Wishing this unfortunate gentleman and his granddaughter a full and speedy recovery!!
This happened very close to where I live, There were quite a lot of emergency service vehicles at the scene when I was coming home from work. Glad everyone got out and wished everyone a speedy recovery.
It was a diesel Range Rover.
No it was a Volvo XC40 hybrid
@@Mark-ef2lybest example of ‘whoosh’ ever.
@@Mark-ef2ly It's a topical reference that you've completely missed.
@SteveT3D. Typical response from an EV cultist that would poo hoo these incidents in the interest of the cult.
@@dcarbs2979ok I get it.Luton airport
I can't believe Dave is married to his granddaughter... Wish them both a speedy recovery 🙏
toyota and honda hybrids have a good safety record … I think …. this is horrific
Terrifying 😮
Hope the recovery is quick
Inevitable "Vickie are supposed to be safe" comments incoming
So glad the young girl is okay. Well done Dave, get well soon mate ❤
Horrific and unnecessary from the very car company that prided itself on car safety. My best wishes to this gentleman and his granddaughter. I hope they are ok. ❤
was nice seeing you on lotuseaters today geoff
When will this madness end, I feel for the guy and his family but the fact he knows about Geoff why did he get one, why are people not covering these story's , COVID EFFECT I guess
Wife's description in local news report
"I smelled smoke, and turned to see the back of the car ablaze as if someone had poured petrol on a barbecue"
If you combine that with the photo, it's clearly a fuel related fire.
Also how do the injuries tie in with a battery fire?
Wouldn't they be far more severe?
Has the fire brigade confirmed it was a battery fire?
Dave wishing you both a speedy recovery 🙏