Yeah I expected as much as s3 was supposed to be sam and miguel story and s4 be about tory Nichols and robby Keane pov Edited: it felt like battle for soul of valley part 1 and part 2 to me this year. As part 1 was season 3 and part 2 was season 4
I don’t really think he was sidelined I just feel like it shows Miguel’s is the most on top of his life considering he got most of his problems handled all the way back in session 2
I actually think Miguel not fighting was the most in character decision he could make with how everything had gone. We already had him wanting to have prom with Sam without having it be about karate and the dojos just for that to get ruined on him. To me it was a sign that while he wasn't done with karate he was getting sick of the dojo drama. Couple that with what Robby said to him at prom and what Johnny said while drunk and it's easy to see why his desire at that moment would of been crushed. Miguel this entire show has been looking for a father, be in Johnny, or Daniel in this season, he is looking for someone to fill that void. After the dojo's split and what happened with Johnny it's rather in character imo that he would decide going to find his real father was more important that the tournament. The entire season for him wasn't one of trying to get the dojo's to work it was one is discovering that neither Daniel or Johnny can fill the void his father left and about his need for closure in that part of his life. It makes sense that he has finally hit his breaking point where he has to abandon everything else to get it.
But finding his father may never fill that void either. It might make it worse. Johnny being there might cement their relationship and choose Johnny to fulfill that role.
@@JohnnySturdivant it's possible after season 5 but without ever meeting his father he can't fully commit to that, especially after the prom and what Johnny said while drunk.
Johnny telling him "I love you too Robby" was what eventually pushed him over the edge to leave and find his father. During the all-valley he's not his regular self or as focused as he usually is not because of the blow-up with Sam at prom but because in the back of his mind he is conflicted on whether he should stay with all of his friends and family or leave to Mexico. It'll be good for him and Johnny to spend some time apart as he also won't have that distraction anymore from trying to create a better relationship with Robby.
@@vincentmontgomery9770 Plus he found out that even after Johnny had neglected Robby for all these years and spent considerable time with him(Miguel), Johnny still loves Robby. So that might have given him some hope that maybe his own father in mexico would also feel the same way after all this time. Unfortunately tho, he doesn't know that his father has no clue of his existence.
They took out too much of the weight from Miguel’s story. I was very disappointed to see him not interacting with his 2 best friends and he is the person who inspired them to stand up for themselves and learn karate in the first place, but they didn’t have almost any screen time together. As for Johnny, it was quite unfortunate because Billy and Xolo are very talented actors and could have done so much more with acting in response to one another.
This season for Miguel was basically like season 3 for Robby being that he was hardly in it maybe next season he'll come back in a big way like Robby did in this season
Yeah is one of most disappointing things I disliked about this season. I would prefer if hawk stayed in eagle fang and maybe they wouldve had the win if dojos were combined
Miguel choosing to walk away was the best possible decision for his character. He was risking his physical and mental health for a father-figure who was starting to treat him like a pawn instead of a son. And Miguel knew it. Couple that with the what happened with Johnny (mistaking him for Robby when drunk) and you can understand why seeking answers and facing his fears seemed like the wiser decision to him. Not only will it allow him to grow as a character outside of the world of karate but it will serve as a wake up call for Johnny who essentially IS a father to Miguel even without his relationship to Carmen. He’s just never verbally acknowledged it.
I don’t think Johnny was treating him like a pawn. I totally disagree with that. Johnny was only caught in the heat of the competition but he actually cares so much about him he literally freaked out when he saw bim bond with Daniel. John still doesn’t know how to be the father figure for Miguel but he actually showed through the entire show how genuine his love for the kid
@@EzraDair I never said that he didn’t care for him, he definitely did. I’d argue that he loved him as much as he did Robbie. That doesn’t change the fact that he treated him like a pawn in season 4. You could see the disappointment on Miguel’s face when he asked him ‘Is that what all this is about?’ in response to Johnny ranting about how they had to take down Cobra Kai. Loving someone and using them aren’t always mutually exclusive and Johnny realised his mistake when it transpired that Miguel had run away. Without meaning to, he’d repeated Kreese’s mistakes.
If they ever decide not to make any more seasons of Cobra Kai I would love to see them do sort of like another spin-off centered around Miguel and his father because you know his father doesn't know he exist and they basically don't have a relationship so I would love to see something like that and who would he end up with Samantha or Tory?
@@roganjoshkrishna2950 Well said bud. Johnny was being unfair to Miguel in season 4. He wanted Miguel to be ok with him dating the kids but he couldn't be ok with Miguel getting to know his 2nd sensei who is also his girlfriend's father, and before Miguel's match against Eli, he practically told Miguel to show no mercy to Eli all because he joined Daniel which is almost the opposite of what he told Miguel to do to Robby in the last All Valley. As for their talk in the medical room, I think Johnny was more obsessed with his rivalry with Daniel than taking down Cobra Kai (just a bit though) because if stopping Cobra Kai was his top priority then he wouldn't have had a problem with Miyagi Do winning instead of forcing Miguel to continue. I like Johnny and Miguel's surrogate father-son bond, but like I said, Johnny was being unfair to Miguel in season 4, and it seems to me that he's doing it again in season 5 by trying to keep Miguel from his dad because of the things he did in the past yet he's blindly taking Robby at his word after he just helped the bad guys win. He's also trying to parent trapping Miguel with Robby which is rich from the guy who couldn't get along with his old rival for more than 2 seconds. I know Johnny and Daniel teamed up in the tournament but it was late in the game, and Miguel tried to convince Johnny to fix things with Daniel weeks before the tournament. If Johnny and Daniel had removed their heads from their backsides sooner then they would've won, or at least the dirty ref might've been exposed.
Man every season has ended with Miguel in some sort of pain. Be it physical, mental, or emotional. I understand that the show has to be suspenseful and keep the audience engaged. Still Miguel has been through A LOT.
Season 3 ended on a happier note for him though. He’s back with Sam, the dojos are working together. Yeah he had bruises from Kyler, but I feel like s3 ended with new hope going through his mind.
Miguel’s major challenge this season was ultimately figuring out himself and where he fit into all of this .He realized later into the season that he was not fighting for himself this time around as much as he was fighting for Daniel and Johnnys ridiculous rivalry. along with a lot of his other internal struggles; such as his strained relationship with Johnny, his financial future, future relationships, need to know where he came from, etc. all of this plays into his emotional struggle and it’s gets to the point where he’s just over the entire thing. hes more than a trophy. he’s more than some crazy rivalry. he wants to figure out what HE is fighting for. that shows maturity in him that he has always had. and I know he’s being set up for bigger things in the future. I can’t wait to see where he goes.
@@A_95x They needed to develop Tory, Robby, Sam and Eli and plus there’s the inclusion of Terry and Kenny and Anthony bullying him. Then of course Daniel and Johnny and their continuous rivalry. There was so much already that there was hardly that much room for Miguel’s arc this time around. I always respected Miguel’s maturity how he never let grudges between the two opposing sides cloud his own judgment. So this season spent more time with the kids who were still influenced by the rivalry between the dojos.
I actually really liked the ending. The students who succeeded in their matches were the ones who knew who they were and those who were allowed to compete in a way that they expressed themselves in their fighting. Eli realized that his mohawk did not define him on top of knowing Cobra Kai and Miyagi-do well, and Tory was given free reign to fight with honour and disregard Terry's coaching. Even Sam had her moment to not be bound by her father's strict adherence to style. Meanwhile, Miguel knew tensions were high between the two positive male role models in his life, and Johnny asking him whose side he was on cemented the idea that he wasn't going to be expressing himself in his fight. He was expressing Johnny's will. I get why he might have thought forfeiting the match in lieu of searching for his own answers was the best call.
I would have loved to see how Miguel would have reacted had he found out that when Sam kissed him she was just using him to get back at Tory or to piss her off she literally is a terrible girlfriend!!
I feel like the writers were trying to say Daniel's presence destabilized Miguel and Johnny's bond(planting the seed of doubt), and the entire season was designed to tear Miguel and Johnny apart to weaken them mentally. Throws them off balance.
I understand people love Hawk but Miguel has always been my favourite I was worried that he wouldn't be an interesting character this season because as you said there is so many stories and characters. I understand that his story in this season wasn't actually his but Johnny's however I think next season will allow Miguel to have his own story even if Johnny does get involved (atleast that's what I hope)
Miguel left the tournament because he realized that he wasnt fighting for the greater good anymore. So he decided that it’s best to let things naturally repair themselves and to finally take on a new journey because the tournament wasn’t his fight anymore. Miguel isnt regressing he’s PROGRESSING Also: If Miguel would’ve fought, it just would’ve shown how Daniel and Johnny have learned NOTHING and that their rivalry is what caused them losing the tournament by default AND NOT BY BAD LUCK (since Eagle Fang would've overtaken Myagi Do, and NONE OF THEM would've had a square chance to beat Cobra Kai in the first place because Eagle Fang ALREADY LOST their FEMALE FIGHTER in the semi-finals, which wouldn't even make them the OVERALL CHAMPIONS)
EXACTLY ! I wanted more screen time for Miguel this season, but I LOVED that his arc focused on his emotional journey! The kid has been through a lot, he needs to heal emotionally as well as physically !
Looking at Miguel and Daniel they're almost like literal father and son if I wasn't paying so much attention to this I would have literally thought that he was Daniel's son instead of stupid Samantha!!
I support Miguel’s decision at the tournament, clearly Johnny and Daniel are not going to stop with their foolishness and they need a SERIOUS wake up call if not even preventing Kreese/Silver from taking over the Valley are enough.
I'm pretty sure he does twitch streams in real life. I saw some clips but couldn't be bothered to actually go on twitch, but yeah, xolo's a really good guy
Can’t wait till next season. This season was to finish arcs set up last season for Robby, Sam and Eli especially. And to give Tory a whole new side. Next season with the seeds planted in this season Miguel and Johnny are going to have some really amazing arcs, they’ll be emotional, heartfelt and badass. Me personally I don’t want Miguel to find his father, I want it to be a 2 episode trip and when all hope seems lost for Miguel he finds Johnny instead of his real father.
The fact that Miguel's PTSD is so overlooked is something as well not to mention the I love you Robby broke me. Miguel deserved better. He loves learning from daniel because he loves sam not to mention he wants to not fight because it will send him to the hospital again.
@@can-ws8hn no I am not ptsd can come in many forms and they practically admit Daniel has it in season 5 with Jessica and it’s the reason Daniel gets scared when he sees the dojo and is so scared of silver as we are told he never mentioned silver to his kids and Amanda he also is shown to act impulsively when it comes to silver altho he acts impulsive not usually to that degree plus he remembers everything silver said to him just because he doesn’t have severe ptsd doesn’t mean he doesn’t have it from the events in the 80s especially karate kid 3.
I feel like Miguel should’ve eased back into training. His heart wasn’t in the 2nd All valley. He’s been struggling and needs to do some soul searching. I don’t think he’ll find his answers from his father. Carmen probably had a good reason not to tell him.
Felt it did perfect job of what terry silver is like? There heartfelt moment when johnny was drunk reminded me of Daniel was falling out with mr miyagi in KK3 as you see in pat Morita eyes that he gonna cry. And parallels with seeing miguel cry I felt that. Like he said he make them suffer and suffer then he starts with the pain
Damn Miguel hasn't been able to catch a break these last few seasons. He got paralyzed and got into the coma in season 2, season 3 is him recovering and than getting beat up by Kyler for most of the fight until the end, and season 4 forced him get into a fight yet again because of Sam at prom (great girlfriend, am I right?) and when Miguel becomes vulnerable around Johnny, he says I love you too, Robby.
Disagree at the end, I like Miguel walking away, he's been living for other people up tell this point, trying to please Johnny, he's now taking the next step to becoming his own person and I see the next season focusing more on him and his next big fight will be about him wanting to win, not trying to prove himself to another.
I feel like the point of the Daniel and Miguel scenes was really showing his desire for a father (and to know more about his actual biological dad). Daniel provided him an expository outlet to admit what he couldn't with Johnny, since Miguel has basically begun to see (unconsciously, then consciously) Johnny as a surrogate father over the course of the show. A lot of what happened with him this season was obvious set-up for S5 and the "seeking his biological dad" story arc, who will probably end up being a massive asshole that will show Johnny is a better man by contrast.
Miguel's storyline was very melancholy but, I wasn't disappointed with it. I completely understand why Miguel had to come off so depressed/ upset... because it was only a matter of time, when the series would actually full focus on Miguel and his mysterious father... I guess giving Miguel a "backseat and/ or melancholy storyline" was the best way to set up for it...?
I don't think Eli and Demetri ditched Miguel, I think he was so focused on his relationship with Sam that he didn't really make time for his friends, just like Demetri did when Yas came back. I think Miguel's biggest conflict this season was finding himself and what he wanted for the future
I watched a couple episodes of season 1 and season 3 to 4 but I can't wait to see season 5 how is father's going to react when he finds out he has a son he had no idea existed
The highlight for me this season was Daniel and Miguel bonding. Both come from similar backgrounds and Miguel wasn't as stubborn to learning from Daniel as Robby was. You could see Miguel was really enjoying his time with him. But he still appreciates Johnny.
I completely agree,good to see we think the same and I hope daniel goes looking for miguel on S5 and isn't just left out from that main situation with miguel looking for his real/biological dad. He has been through alot and although Johnny is trying to help Miguel,their relationship isn't the best at the moment,miguel has been better with Daniel at the time in S4 and I think it's better that Daniel looks for him and speaks with him aswell,I kind of hope that Miguel's dad turned out to be an A hole so there's a wholesome moment where Daniel protects Miguel from him lol but I'm excited for S5 and I hope Miguel finds his dad and maybe there be a bit of drama in there
I was with you up until you started bashing Miguel for walking away. He was literally caught in a battle between two man babies that couldn’t get over their little schoolboy rivalry. He realized the man that he looked up to as a father was using him as a replacement for Robby and a way to one up Daniel. I would leave too.
Exactly! Johnny was being totally unfair to Miguel. I mean he wanted Miguel to be ok with him dating the kid's mom but he couldn't be cool with Miguel getting to know his 2nd sensei who's also his girlfriend's father, and in the tournament he practically told Miguel to show no mercy to his best friend (Eli) which is almost the opposite of what he told Miguel to do to Robby in the last All Valley.
I feel like he always wanted to prove himself in this tournament and the focus the whole time for Miguel was the win even with stuff on the side like the dojo issues and the prom with Sam, but these issues kind of started to pile up as there was the time Johnny saying I love you Robby, which even tho he was drunk, gave Miguel the idea that he cared more about his relationship with robby than Miguel which had broken him especially since Johnny was now an even bigger part of Miguel’s life with him knowing abt Carmen and Johnny and him not seeing Daniel a lot. It was these and the biggest issue which was Johnny caring more abt the dojo drama than having his champions best interests at heart and guiding him to prove himself and use his own style to do so which is what he did with Sam causing Daniel to see that he wasn’t all bad and they made up johnny might’ve recognized at this point he messed up w Miguel and he could save it w Sam. Anyway since Miguel knew Johnny and other role models (Daniel) cared more about dojo drama than Miguel proving himself and trying to end the drama in the process they tried to make him a pawn which he wasn’t falling for, he had enough of the dojo drama to the point that he didn’t even care abt ending it and he was furious with his role models for not keeping him in mind and making him a piece in the game which is what Sam would’ve been too if she wasn’t allowed to use her style in the end, Miguel wasn’t allowed to fight his way and he prolly felt like there was no point proving himself if win or lose the people that he wanted to prove himself too the most (Johnny, Daniel) didn’t even care. I think he felt he needed to find someone else at least for the time being so that’s why he set out for his father thinking he’ll find someone that will truly care abt him and not some stupid dojo or getting revenge on exes even tho him and Sam r cool, or displaying a certain style. He wanted to find his dad because he isn’t involved in this stuff
What did Miguel expect? That Johnny would love him more than his actual son. That's really fucked up, and self-centered. I had absolutely no sympathy for Miguel in that scene. So he's not the center of the universe for once, boo-hoo. Frankly, he needed a bit of humbling.
Dear WP, I feel Miguel's arc in Season 4 was pretty huge and actually quite decent. When Miguel decided not to fight in his semi final match, that was a big sign of maturity in his character. He realized that he didn't need to win, or even compete, as he's already done all of that. The stuff you said about Miguel not having a champion's mentality could just be a sign that he's either matured, or just found himself in a state of confusion. He already won the previous year, then he recovered from a huge spinal injury and is able to walk again. So he's already winning. Why bother relying on a result at a karate tournament to fulfil his happiness, especially when there's other aspects of his life which are incomplete and unfulfilled? He has simply come to realize that he doesn't need to chase any more victories. I think Miguel's story in season 4 was one of growth, maturity, and plenty of confusion along the way! - I think this relates to KK3, where Daniel is shown a different path and philosophy by learning cobra kai. This then leads him to much confusion about who he really is. As Miyagi says to him a few times in the film "much confusion inside of you". I think we see this for both Miguel and Sam in S4, having both been shown a different path and philosophy to what they were used to. They are both confused as they choose which way they grow, just like the bonsai tree. This is why Miguel has decided to go and find his father, exploring his own roots in order to find his true self. There were lots of things pointing towards Miguel wanting to find his father throughout the season. Like when Miguel overhears his Grandmother likening him to his father during the pre-prom photos, to his relationship with Johnny and even Daniel. - Side note: It was interesting when Miguel got injured during his semi final match vs Eli. Just before the episode ends he yells the word 'SENSEI', despite Johnny being right next to him. Although it's likely he just didn't realize Johnny was right there, it's also possible that he didn't even know himself who he was actually calling out for? Whether he was calling out for Johnny, Daniel, or even his father? I think Miguel going off to find his father is more about him going on a journey to find himself.
I agree ! I think Miguel realised at that tournament that there’s much more to life and much more important things for his personal growth than winning a karate tournament !
What Miguel should’ve fought for was so that Cobra Kai was beaten and had to quit or other kids could end up being influenced negatively by it like how he was. He should be the reluctant hero
@@discolullaby5777 Miguel is still healing from being nearly permanently paralysed……… he didn’t want to put himself at risk for the sake of a trophy. His heart was just not in it either. I thought he did the right thing, he still needs to figure himself out. Johnny should have been more supportive rather than trying to force him to fight
actually he realised he didnt need to fight not bcos he's already done that but bcos there's no reason to. if he wins, he proves johnny is better. johnny and daniel remain enemies. he was being used as a pawn by johnny, which made him realise even more that johnny can never be his real dad. he had that empty hole in his heart his whole life. his missing dad. so that's his mission now. the secrets to his arc is all in his final letter
Miguel had a lot of character growth this season that is gonna continue on into next season. Some people are acting weird about his arc just bc he wasn’t getting into fights the entire season and actually had some real development going on. like did people not understand his arc and how he was struggling mentally the entire season? • struggling with thinking about his financial future and his relationship with Sam. • understanding that he, and most of the other kids are being used to fight only for the adults’ silly feud. he felt like he was not fighting for himself any more and felt like he had nothing to gain from it. • feeling the overall pressure to maintain his title for all the wrong reasons. he new he was the one to beat. • his and johnnys strained relationship, causing him to not feel the need to fight his battles for him anymore. • his determination to figure out himself and find out what he really wants to do. his arc this season was really interesting . my man’s heart was not in this competition and for very valid reasons. he’s gonna be the big winner by the end of the series. I can feel it. they’re setting him and Robby up long term. I also feel Tory and Robby are gonna go through similar arcs next season where they’re over the whole karate feud and realize they’re more than a trophy. This season gave him a lot of clarity and he grows as a character as he realized everyone was fighting for stupid rivalry and revenge and to prove something. He backs off because he is not afraid to take a step back. He chose his heart and a peace of mind rather than chasing a trophy. He’s still undefeated. El Serpiente, everyone will be waiting for you next season.
Funny thing is, they saw the tournament as the only safe space to fight. The adults are clearly trying to move beyond their silly feud but don't think they're anywhere near that goal yet.
Totally agree with you on every point you made there. I feel his story in S4 was underrated and misunderstood, which is a shame as it was written so brilliantly. The top man has risen above it all!
Miguel was the guy I resonated with the most. So I wouldn't want to say this season is my favourite. It is really good though. Miguel wasn't even there so I didn't notice his plot faults.
It really did hurt to see Miguel fall into the background, but it always puts a smile on my face to see Robbie lose a fight. Especially a fair, and straightforward fight. So this season is still my favorite. However, since he keeps losing the most significant fights, Robbie is due for a big win sometime next season or the one after that. That's going to suck.
miguel is just trying to do right by everyone else, and everyone is doing him dirty. my boy deserves better i really hope season 5 gives him a good focus
Miguel definitely should have had more scenes with Hawk. He should have showed up with Demetri Edit: I do love the “Finally a worth opponent” line Hawk does again when they fight at the tournament. Nice call back to Coyote Creek in the woods
Perfectly said watchparty... Exactly my thoughts Miguel was nerfed this season so other characters like amanda tory robby eli anthony kenny and silver could be elevated... His relationship with sam was also badly written.... the prom night for ex Johnnys and miguel relationship is like daniels and miyagis was 35 yrs ago... I hope he gets a definitive arc and lot of screen time next season....
I 💯 agree. I don’t t know what the writers were thinking. Miguel is the karate kid. He is the heart of the story. It was uncharacteristic behavior to have him decide not to fight. This series is about fathers and sons. Miguel finally found one in Johnny; then Robby comes back (too easily; didn’t feel earned) and Miguel loses his father-figure. Robby didn’t have a father either, he first found one in Daniel, then lost him, and gained Johnny, the reverse of Miguel. But Miguel didn’t really gain Daniel in the same way that Robby did, why? Because of this father in Mexico City business? My hope is that he’s a bad guy, and tries to hurt him, and both Johnny and Robby come to his rescue, thus cementing their relationship. It would be tough forJohnny and Carmen to continue developing their commitment with the two boys/rivals if something momentous didn’t happen. Finishing this series with Johnny having gained two sons would make my heart happy. Johnny hasn’t earned it, but that might come. Above all, I would like to see Daniel and Johnny become best friends, maybe even open a dojo together. They are Yin and Yang. Further, I believe that one day Anthony will become Daniel’s successor.
Him not fighting seemed to make sense though of his arc is so far. Doesn't make him weak of not continuing the fight, but his mindset is different than before. He doesn't see the trophy as much of a big deal anymore or the Karate tournament as a way to make Johnny proud again. He knows Johnny will always be proud of him, but I think Miguel wants something more in whatever that is. Yes, he found a father figure in Johnny and in Daniel as well. But the show has yet to explore the biological father aspect for Miguel. Hence the fathers and sons themes and possible another exploration of these themes, but in a different way.
I know right. How dare Johnny admit he loves his actual son. Doesn't he know he's not allowed to care about anybody but Miguel and the people he approves of. Why can't Johnny just keep neglecting Robby like he has been most of his life?
I felt like Miguel was sidelined too but it kinda works when we see him escaping to Mexico at the end. Everyone seemed to forget about him so he left. I don’t know if that was done purpose but I definitely felt Miguel’s abandonment.
Everything you said about Miguel and Eli made me sad lol they were my favorites too, but clearly that’s faded as the story goes on. I really wish they had more time together
I agree if anything it might’ve made more sense to have Miguel come back to the fight and end up losing to Hawk because of his injury, and that loss is what pushes him to see his real father as he feels defeated. But then again I think the writers wanted a way to get Miguel out of the tournament without him just “losing” because if Miguel wins the all valley it’s just repetitive and predictable even if it does make sense as Miguel is clearly the best fighter there imo.
I feel the writers dropped the ball a bit with Miguel in Season 4. He would have serious emotional trauma from all he had been through end of season 2 through season 3. And the near death trauma he went through was way glossed over in 4. Robbie would likely feel way more guilt about it because he is a good hearted kid in essence also. And nobody much mentions it.
Miguel got sidelined, hawk got castrated, and Miguel and hawks friendship disappeared, my fav chars got shafted. On the bright side, Robbie became badass this season, not worth the trade off
After three seasons of Robby being screwed over while Hawk and Miguel hogged the Spotlight, it was more than an even trade off. Actually, I'd say Robby still got screwed over. His reconciliation with Johnny was completely unearned because Johnny made absolutely no effort to help him this season, and he deserved a win way more than Eli did, he was even supposed to win originally, Eli winning was a last minute change that just didn't make sense.
@@watchparty1 thank you man, you are the best in your league i hate watching other youtubers doing theories on cobra kai's next seasons, only because no one does it better than you man! keep doing more we all are waiting for you
honestly i hope they make season 5 centered around miguel again because obviously he is literally the main character of the show but also because the destroyed his character this season they highlighted every inseurity and flaw that he had and then crushed him that last scene with Johnny was heartbreaking because Miguel got thrown around like a ragdoll this season he got thrust into so many different rivalries and dramas that were not his and you can see it in his fight with hawk he's just tired and burnt out karate was an outlet for him now its a burden i hope he finds himself in season 5
You mentioned everything I was thinking. Except the fact that Johnny literally cured Miguel's asthma. You think Miyagi healing is OP? Try projecting your voice into the dreams of a comatose patient and bringing him back to life. Then try defying science by having him walk again using the power of rock and roll & making the kid forget he can't stand by you needing a pep talk. Johnny healing > Miyagi hand healing
This definitely wasn’t the same Miguel from season 1 where he told Jonny in the finals that he was gonna exploit Robbie’s weaknesses and win by any means. He had so much fire in him yet he was still a good hearted person that’s why had made such a great main character. I hate that they neutered him in season 4.
something i noticed is that miguel called daniel, "sensei" and johnny thought it was for him. this really got overlooked and i dont think miguel meant anything by it, but "sensei" should only be for johnny. miguel should've just said mr larruso
I damn near cried when Johnny called Miguel “Robby”. That was the 2nd time in one night that Miguel felt like somebody he loved was choosing Robby over him.
I think this video makes a great point about the character and what we have seen and what we could see, and I also feel so sad for miguel cause he was gonna tell the girl of his dreams what she meant to him, how he felt, and what he couldn't stop thinking about 😢 but instead that night got ruined for him and his heart got extra broken due to a drunk Johnny and it is very, sad, and at least they did end up working things out.
I think season 5 will have them come back together and bring their relationship as step son- step dad to a close. In season 6 they end as a family, how both of them changed each others lives.
WATCHPARTY: This is a Brillant video my friend. I think that Miguels story this season kind of lacked a little bit, but I think the reason for that could be because they are saving his major plot story for season 5. I also think that Miguel choosing to not go out there and fight with the reasons that he gave Sam proves that he doesn't have to fight and that he has proven everything that he has needed to prove: that he is the true all valley champion through his heart and not just his skill
I actually took Miguel's choice to quit the fight as the ultimate act of a true champion. Of all the characters this season, he took Miyagi's "No be there" lesson to heart. He knew fighting in this tournament wasn't right - it was being done for all the wrong reasons. Daniel was too cocky that he didn't consider losing to Cobra Kai at all, so he went into this tournament ignorant. Meanwhile, Johnny went into this tournament out of jealously and pride. Neither sensei should've been there since both weren't in a proper head space. Their defeat was inevitable. Miguel realized this. He knew there was no way to actually 'win' this fight, so he chose the alternative: 'no be there'. That aside, I think Miguel would've lost to Hawk had he fought. As you mentioned, Cobra Kai would've won had Hawk lost. So Miguel had to go. At least by leaving on his own accord, he remains the undefeated champion lol.
@@saileshnaidu8102 not necessarily. I’m pretty sure the points of the actually champs would override any of the others. As Terry says, they wouldn’t end it or decide it on a technicality. And u realize the kind of outrage one would have for a dojo to lose the contest even if they won the tournament? The points were most likely there in case a tie occurred in the finals. Which is what happened
I think that Miguel still wanted to prove it to himself he could do it again but he felt like it was no longer about his want to prove it to himself again but instead the rivalries he wasn’t apart of that he didn’t care about.
I think what robby said at the prom was right. Miguel and johnny both look for something to fill the void in one another. Miguel looks for a father figure in Johnny since he never knew his actual dad. And johnny sees miguel as a sort of secound robby. Johnny probably sees Carmen and miguel as the family he couldnt have with Robby. Deep down both arent quit right for eachother in that position tho. As much as johnny loves miguel , miguel cant replace Robby. And as much miguel loves johnny , Johnny will never be the closure and dad he was looking for.
I'm ok with miguel's decision, it's in character, it does serve the plot, but it's not out of the blue. But i'm sure they'll give miguel the opportunity to kick some ass next season. What really hurts me is jus how long were gonna have to wait for season 5
This was a very interesting conversation analysis. 💯 The writing for season 4 definitely seems to have escorted Miguel to taking a back seat when arguably his father son relationship/dynamics with Johnny Lawrence was in some ways the heart of the story. Johnny blew it this season but the good thing is that Johnny instinctively instantly recognizes it. What's sad is that Robby's actually right when he tells Kreese that he's not going to be a pawn in Kreese's rivalry with his dad and Daniel. Robby knows what everyone else doesn't. This Sam and Miguel are almost manipulated by the father's and father figures in their life to fight for some reasons that have nothing to do with them, and that's sort of sad even with as amazing as this show overall is. DANIEL IS HAUNTED BY HIS PAST MEMORIES OF BEING BULLIED AND IT TURNS HIM INTO SOME SORT OF MISGUIDED SELF RIGHTEOUS GANG LEADER OF SORTS (FROM A METAPHORICAL PERSPECTIVE) AS WELL AS JOHNNY LAWRENCE. COBRA KAI AND MIYAGIDO ARE VERY MUCH LIKE GANG RIVALRIES. I LOVE THIS WRITING ITS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN 😭. BECAUSE ONLY WRITING THIS GOOD COULD GET FANS LIKE MYSELF AS EMOTIONALLY INVESTED AS I'VE BECOME WITH THESE CHARACTERS.
I think Miguel walking away is more about subverting expectations than plot convenience. We’ve seen the whole “injured athlete must decide to continue” trope at least twice before in this series (fist w/ Daniel in the movie & later w/ Robbie in season 1). Doing that again would be WAY too predictable. Plus they set up that Miguel was CLEARLY over Johnny at that point. He was probably disgusted that Johnny would put his need to win over his health too, and decided to just walk away.
He might have had a decreased role this season, but that one scene where Miguel told Johnny he loved him and got the response back that he did broke my heart more than any other scene in Cobra kai and most other media recently. Feeling the emotion that both Miguel and Johnny portrayed was beautiful and real.
i think it makes sense considering the arcs he had with daniel, johnny, and sam, but most importantly daniels miyagi do mindset and johnny’s failures, sam was in my opinion the one person he saw be consumed the most by the cobra kai beef and did not want to take part in all that
Well I think he explains it to Sam the way it is. The Miguel of season 3 was determined to prove himself, but he felt like Johnny was being selfish. It happened the same way with Robby, he had joined CK at the end of the season, but he felt like the bet between the dojos made him a pawn, Miguel wanted to be a much valuable piece, but he was being treated like a pawn.
It's personal. It's always personal. You do it for yourself. That's why I even dropped a clip from The Last Dance. It doesn't matter what Johnny or Daniel or anyone thinks. Miguel needs to do it for himself.
@@watchparty1 I haven’t seen the documentary, but still, I think I understand what you’re trying to prove with that reference, however all I’m saying is that the reason he didn’t fight was, as he tells Sam, that he wasn’t fighting for himself (which is what you’re saying; Miguel needs to do it for himself, and he didn’t feel like it so he chose not to and he focused in a more personal issue, finding his dad). I think it wasn’t a bad call (i still root for him since season 1), unlike the sprinkler event where I agree with Johnny, he poked the bear and it had consequences, it was a Lapusso move (if he didn’t want to fight he should have ignored Robby’s comment and stick to the tournament thing).
@@inigozaldivar8300 Miguel pulled that sprinkler prank because Cobra Kai was gonna try to pick a fight with him and his friends and he knew they weren't gonna listen to reason. If he had told them "let's just walk away" Cobra Kai would've tried to attack them from behind since they follow "Strike first."
Miguel has proven himself. The is called Cobra Kai, but Miguel has become a young Mr Miyagi (Win Lose No Matter) More mature than any of the other characters.
the rapport between Johnny and Miguel is the heart of the show. it's the core. They got away from that in Season 4 somewhat, and if they drift further away from it in Season 5, I may curb my fandom a bit. Hoping the show doesn't end after Season 5! I could see Cobra Kai going a full 6 or 7 seasons
Yeah he did kinda feel less important in S4 as he was in the first 3 seasons. I think S5 though will be interesting for Miguel as well as a new direction and something missing which is a original Cobra Kai series Main Antagonist while we have a colorful roster of new characters in CK with Miguel, Robby, Hawk, Sam, Tory, Demitri etc etc because up to this point we had John Kreese in S2-3 and Terry Silver and somewhat Kreese in S4 and more than likely Mike Barnes in S5 with Silver these are all Antagonist roles from TKK Movie series so what I’m getting at is we can have an OG CK Main Event Antagonist I’m not talking about minor ones we seen like Kyler and his gang in the first half of S1, Sid(theoretically), Trey and Cruz, Tom Cole, that sleazy Australian guy that dated Carmen and so on, what if during Miguel’s journey to Mexico City we come to find Mr Diaz is a powerful Cartel Kingpin that has a underground criminal syndicate empire this would make a new Main Event Villain for what seems to be Miguel/Johnny’s S5 arc whilst in the Valley you got Terry Silver and more than likely Mike Barnes with Snake and Dennis against Daniel and Chozen so S5 already has a really great set up as it makes room for Expansion in the series so I liked the cliffhanger ending with Miguel in S5. So I think it be kool if Miguel does run into Mr Diaz whom dismisses him initially not knowing who he is and Miguel explains to him about Carmen and he soon sees he is telling the truth and decides to coerce him into joining his Cartel business and I think it be kool if Miguel has a half brother whom is wicked and corrupt taking after their Father to run the Cartel business and while on this journey Johnny can call up Bobby and Jimmy the OG Cobras and these 3 go on a journey in Mexico City fighting Cartels, Thugs, Drug Dealers, Gangsters to save Miguel Streets Of Rage or Final Fight style, maybe while Johnny goes on the journey with the OG Cobras they have Robby go with them too since his arc is just open in the air and seems to lean he will actually connect with his Father Johnny this time and also for Miguel could see him as a brother figure more so than his half biological evil brother thats how I think S5 could play you can have Miguel fight his half brother and loose due to his previous injury and Robby take him on and so he has an atonement for what he did to Miguel in S2 as well as seeing how wicked Mr Diaz is come to accept Johnny as is Father and Miguel as a brother figure whilst Miguel has an arc where he is emotionally torn at what Mr Diaz and his half brother are leading both Johnny and Robby to council his disheartenment. Miguel leaves MX with Johnny, Robby, Bobby and Jimmy to the Valley maybe at Ep 9 they get out of there meanwhile a defeated Mr Diaz and his second son recuperate since mercy was shown to them and it won’t be the last we see of them all this whilst Daniel and Chozen been confronting Cobra Kai ran by Terry Silver, Mike Barnes, Snake and Dennis. Again this is my fan theory feel free to leave feedback and your thoughts.
I think Johnny and Robby will go after Miguel in Mexico to try and bring him back. I also wonder what kind of job Miguel’s dad has we know it is illegal but it will be nice to know for sure what it was and if he also knows karate.
I also noticed that when hawk got his head shaved miguel wasn’t even mad or anything. Weren’t they like best friends in season 2? I didn’t really like season 4 for this reason also the way they can fix these issues you’re talking about is just make the episodes longer which I have no idea why they haven’t even done it. Each episode should be about an hour long that would be perfect for every character to interact more. Also at the end Demetri gave Eli an ultimatum saying that he would rather pick eagle fang than join miyagi-do like does he not remember Miguel is also his best friend and isn’t Miguel Demetris close friend as well? that didn’t make sense at all I understand they needed to do this to complete Hawks story line but still Johnny was his first sensei
I feel like it good that Miguel left to find his father due all the relationship drama and pettyness that's been going on. I think it's good that he can find something and or someone else to worry about other then Sam or Tory or even Robby .
Feels like the writers don't know where to go with Miguel in s4, right until the end when they found the opportunity to give Miguel an arc of looking for his father.
i really hate that "plot development" in Cobra Kai means "Miguel constantly gets crippled", and that the worst person in the whole show is Sam LaRusso.
I personally think that they are going to give him extra time is S5 so they give his share of S4 to other characters. Finding his dad, finding himself, it almost sounds like the resolution of his character. Even an archetypal hero has atonement with father right before the resolution. So by the end of S5 or start of s6 Miguel's character might be complete.
I definitely feel like season 5 will be Miguel's season to truly shine. I can't wait to see how he evolves during his trip to Mexico even though we know we'll have some heartbreaks
I know that the writers feel like this is the best season but the core of what got me hooked on CK were the core character developments, which was what’s missing. Too many subplots were going on, with emphasis on new/minor characters like Anthony, took away too much from Hawk and Miguel. Despite Terence Silver, I didn’t yearn to rewatch any of the episodes, which is sad.
Let me entertain a different perspective. I can see how you would look at this from your perspective and why you thought it stuck out the most, but I don’t think it is the same for a 16 year old kid? I don’t think Miguel’s storyline was any less important than anyone else. All you have to do is put yourself in his shoes and relate that to someone his own age in the world today. Life lessons, social media, etc. all comes into play. Quality over Quantity. When Miguel bonded with Daniel their were myriad obstacles to overcome to becoming a man. Those things he did with Daniel are challenges for young kids. It only looked easy because Daniel is a natural. Miguel thinking he was a loser because of community college. Daniel teaches him how to fix a car. That’s a challenge. When Daniel told them to catch a fish. Miguel had to use his brain. He could of easily gave up, especially after he fell in the water. Things started getting weird for Miguel when he was late for dinner and Johnny forgets he’s talking to a kid and starts going on about sex. That’s my perspective. Others have their own. Everyone’s story arc is just as important as the others. It just depends who’s looking. You could look at his storyline being sad, sure. While Miguel may feel sad at times, he’s still strong on the inside. To be strong enough to leave Johnny and go seek out his Dad. I see his storyline as being one of the best things because I like challenges in life. That’s what tv shows and movies do to people. And this show is doing a great job at teaching those crucial life lessons to bring back with you in reality. We get to see Miguel’s struggle, how he will overcome it. It builds character and will help you overcome any Adversity in your life. My only complaint is at 9:14 where you talk about Kreese. You picked a bad moment to use Kreese because if you haven’t noticed, he is very slowly turning over a new leaf. I wouldn’t doubt if he buries the Hatchet with Johnny and Daniel. Remember who Kreese was before the war? He was actually a good dude. There is never such a thing as a bad student.
That’s exactly what i told my brother when i gave predictions on Season 5. My guess is while he’s walking down the streets of Ecuador, a bunch of thugs try to mug him. He attempts to use Karate and wins for a while, but gets overpowered eventually, straining his willpower even more. My theory was doing good until my brother said he’ll most likely get stabbed or shot then die lmao
You were right, I investigated and Miguel was 17 in the beginning of his jr year, making him too old for a 3rd shot at the all Valley. Since he was 17 before the Christmas party, there's no shot even if they moved the tournament to earlier in the year.
Feels like they have a cycle for migel is a season will focus on him and the next not so much for more Johnny and another characters to develop. Just sucks we need to wait so long!
It’s a shame that Miguel was mostly sidelined this season. He’s consistently the best character on the show.
Yeah I expected as much as s3 was supposed to be sam and miguel story and s4 be about tory Nichols and robby Keane pov
Edited: it felt like battle for soul of valley part 1 and part 2 to me this year. As part 1 was season 3 and part 2 was season 4
@@danwarner7816 nah
@@saileshnaidu8102 well this season doesn't surprise me as much as ppl calling best season around
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I don’t really think he was sidelined I just feel like it shows Miguel’s is the most on top of his life considering he got most of his problems handled all the way back in session 2
I actually think Miguel not fighting was the most in character decision he could make with how everything had gone. We already had him wanting to have prom with Sam without having it be about karate and the dojos just for that to get ruined on him. To me it was a sign that while he wasn't done with karate he was getting sick of the dojo drama. Couple that with what Robby said to him at prom and what Johnny said while drunk and it's easy to see why his desire at that moment would of been crushed. Miguel this entire show has been looking for a father, be in Johnny, or Daniel in this season, he is looking for someone to fill that void. After the dojo's split and what happened with Johnny it's rather in character imo that he would decide going to find his real father was more important that the tournament.
The entire season for him wasn't one of trying to get the dojo's to work it was one is discovering that neither Daniel or Johnny can fill the void his father left and about his need for closure in that part of his life. It makes sense that he has finally hit his breaking point where he has to abandon everything else to get it.
This take might not be popular, but this is well put. I agree.
Oh look a smart comment finally, perfectly said.
But finding his father may never fill that void either. It might make it worse. Johnny being there might cement their relationship and choose Johnny to fulfill that role.
@@JohnnySturdivant it's possible after season 5 but without ever meeting his father he can't fully commit to that, especially after the prom and what Johnny said while drunk.
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Johnny telling him "I love you too Robby" was what eventually pushed him over the edge to leave and find his father. During the all-valley he's not his regular self or as focused as he usually is not because of the blow-up with Sam at prom but because in the back of his mind he is conflicted on whether he should stay with all of his friends and family or leave to Mexico. It'll be good for him and Johnny to spend some time apart as he also won't have that distraction anymore from trying to create a better relationship with Robby.
I felt like Miguel was definitely hurt by that but I feel he also had some closure
@@vincentmontgomery9770 Plus he found out that even after Johnny had neglected Robby for all these years and spent considerable time with him(Miguel), Johnny still loves Robby. So that might have given him some hope that maybe his own father in mexico would also feel the same way after all this time. Unfortunately tho, he doesn't know that his father has no clue of his existence.
how’s he going to locate his father lmao. is he going to scout across the entire country
@@lilxtasy4936 Guees he knows a few of his mother's friends or acquaintances in Mexico, prolly gonna go ask them
@@lilxtasy4936 If your going to Mexico bring Rambo with you!!! I seen Rambo Last blood.
They took out too much of the weight from Miguel’s story. I was very disappointed to see him not interacting with his 2 best friends and he is the person who inspired them to stand up for themselves and learn karate in the first place, but they didn’t have almost any screen time together. As for Johnny, it was quite unfortunate because Billy and Xolo are very talented actors and could have done so much more with acting in response to one another.
Well season 5 will most likely focus on these two or atleast make them an important side story with more screen time
This season for Miguel was basically like season 3 for Robby being that he was hardly in it maybe next season he'll come back in a big way like Robby did in this season
Hopefully, in either season five or six, they look at this flaw and have Miguel and the other to interact more.
Yeah is one of most disappointing things I disliked about this season. I would prefer if hawk stayed in eagle fang and maybe they wouldve had the win if dojos were combined
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Miguel choosing to walk away was the best possible decision for his character. He was risking his physical and mental health for a father-figure who was starting to treat him like a pawn instead of a son. And Miguel knew it. Couple that with the what happened with Johnny (mistaking him for Robby when drunk) and you can understand why seeking answers and facing his fears seemed like the wiser decision to him. Not only will it allow him to grow as a character outside of the world of karate but it will serve as a wake up call for Johnny who essentially IS a father to Miguel even without his relationship to Carmen. He’s just never verbally acknowledged it.
I don’t think Johnny was treating him like a pawn. I totally disagree with that. Johnny was only caught in the heat of the competition but he actually cares so much about him he literally freaked out when he saw bim bond with Daniel. John still doesn’t know how to be the father figure for Miguel but he actually showed through the entire show how genuine his love for the kid
@@EzraDair I never said that he didn’t care for him, he definitely did. I’d argue that he loved him as much as he did Robbie. That doesn’t change the fact that he treated him like a pawn in season 4. You could see the disappointment on Miguel’s face when he asked him ‘Is that what all this is about?’ in response to Johnny ranting about how they had to take down Cobra Kai. Loving someone and using them aren’t always mutually exclusive and Johnny realised his mistake when it transpired that Miguel had run away. Without meaning to, he’d repeated Kreese’s mistakes.
If they ever decide not to make any more seasons of Cobra Kai I would love to see them do sort of like another spin-off centered around Miguel and his father because you know his father doesn't know he exist and they basically don't have a relationship so I would love to see something like that and who would he end up with Samantha or Tory?
@@juanitamorgan5475 The next season which comes out in 3 months is gonna focus partly on Miguel searching for his Dad
@@roganjoshkrishna2950 Well said bud. Johnny was being unfair to Miguel in season 4. He wanted Miguel to be ok with him dating the kids but he couldn't be ok with Miguel getting to know his 2nd sensei who is also his girlfriend's father, and before Miguel's match against Eli, he practically told Miguel to show no mercy to Eli all because he joined Daniel which is almost the opposite of what he told Miguel to do to Robby in the last All Valley. As for their talk in the medical room, I think Johnny was more obsessed with his rivalry with Daniel than taking down Cobra Kai (just a bit though) because if stopping Cobra Kai was his top priority then he wouldn't have had a problem with Miyagi Do winning instead of forcing Miguel to continue.
I like Johnny and Miguel's surrogate father-son bond, but like I said, Johnny was being unfair to Miguel in season 4, and it seems to me that he's doing it again in season 5 by trying to keep Miguel from his dad because of the things he did in the past yet he's blindly taking Robby at his word after he just helped the bad guys win. He's also trying to parent trapping Miguel with Robby which is rich from the guy who couldn't get along with his old rival for more than 2 seconds. I know Johnny and Daniel teamed up in the tournament but it was late in the game, and Miguel tried to convince Johnny to fix things with Daniel weeks before the tournament. If Johnny and Daniel had removed their heads from their backsides sooner then they would've won, or at least the dirty ref might've been exposed.
Man every season has ended with Miguel in some sort of pain. Be it physical, mental, or emotional. I understand that the show has to be suspenseful and keep the audience engaged. Still Miguel has been through A LOT.
Season 3 ended on a happier note for him though. He’s back with Sam, the dojos are working together. Yeah he had bruises from Kyler, but I feel like s3 ended with new hope going through his mind.
Miguel is both (arguably) the main character and the punching bag. He's been through a hell of a lot.
@@HeavyMetalBeliever nah man, kyler is the punching bag for sure.
Robby has taken more blows than Miguel has
@@harrisonstallings4522 Lmao no
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Miguel’s major challenge this season was ultimately figuring out himself and where he fit into all of this .He realized later into the season that he was not fighting for himself this time around as much as he was fighting for Daniel and Johnnys ridiculous rivalry. along with a lot of his other internal struggles; such as his strained relationship with Johnny, his financial future, future relationships, need to know where he came from, etc. all of this plays into his emotional struggle and it’s gets to the point where he’s just over the entire thing. hes more than a trophy. he’s more than some crazy rivalry. he wants to figure out what HE is fighting for. that shows maturity in him that he has always had. and I know he’s being set up for bigger things in the future. I can’t wait to see where he goes.
Exactly what I said they did Miguel wrong with so little scenes.
@@A_95x They needed to develop Tory, Robby, Sam and Eli and plus there’s the inclusion of Terry and Kenny and Anthony bullying him. Then of course Daniel and Johnny and their continuous rivalry. There was so much already that there was hardly that much room for Miguel’s arc this time around. I always respected Miguel’s maturity how he never let grudges between the two opposing sides cloud his own judgment. So this season spent more time with the kids who were still influenced by the rivalry between the dojos.
Nah Best actor alongside Johnny is Miguel the best part of the show Johnny and Miguel’s bond needed more of my faves- hopefully next season.
HE GONE GO TO MEXICO AND BECOME BLUE BEETLE
@@scifinerd17 I like this take.
I actually really liked the ending. The students who succeeded in their matches were the ones who knew who they were and those who were allowed to compete in a way that they expressed themselves in their fighting. Eli realized that his mohawk did not define him on top of knowing Cobra Kai and Miyagi-do well, and Tory was given free reign to fight with honour and disregard Terry's coaching. Even Sam had her moment to not be bound by her father's strict adherence to style.
Meanwhile, Miguel knew tensions were high between the two positive male role models in his life, and Johnny asking him whose side he was on cemented the idea that he wasn't going to be expressing himself in his fight. He was expressing Johnny's will. I get why he might have thought forfeiting the match in lieu of searching for his own answers was the best call.
I would have loved to see how Miguel would have reacted had he found out that when Sam kissed him she was just using him to get back at Tory or to piss her off she literally is a terrible girlfriend!!
I feel like the writers were trying to say Daniel's presence destabilized Miguel and Johnny's bond(planting the seed of doubt), and the entire season was designed to tear Miguel and Johnny apart to weaken them mentally. Throws them off balance.
Maybe!
But it's not Daniel fault though. It's Miguel choice who he wants to hang out with
Johnny should be a father to OWN child,
No. Not Daniel's presence. Its Johnny that doesnt want to lose him. Daniel's presence was a good thing. Miguel just needed to figure out who he is
@@hotlov72 wrong. He needs to be a father to Miguel too
Johnny and miguel are heart and soul they friendships so lovely but in season 4 Johnny get bit jealous with Daniel and miguel training together.
I understand people love Hawk but Miguel has always been my favourite I was worried that he wouldn't be an interesting character this season because as you said there is so many stories and characters. I understand that his story in this season wasn't actually his but Johnny's however I think next season will allow Miguel to have his own story even if Johnny does get involved (atleast that's what I hope)
Miguel and Johnny are the heart, spirit and soul of the Show
@@puertoricanprince7690 hell yeah!
hawks overrated.
@@irmavargas2735 more people like miguel than hawk lmao
He completely dominated Kyler, much more than Robby against Demetri.
Miguel left the tournament because he realized that he wasnt fighting for the greater good anymore. So he decided that it’s best to let things naturally repair themselves and to finally take on a new journey because the tournament wasn’t his fight anymore. Miguel isnt regressing he’s PROGRESSING
Also: If Miguel would’ve fought, it just would’ve shown how Daniel and Johnny have learned NOTHING and that their rivalry is what caused them losing the tournament by default AND NOT BY BAD LUCK (since Eagle Fang would've overtaken Myagi Do, and NONE OF THEM would've had a square chance to beat Cobra Kai in the first place because Eagle Fang ALREADY LOST their FEMALE FIGHTER in the semi-finals, which wouldn't even make them the OVERALL CHAMPIONS)
EXACTLY ! I wanted more screen time for Miguel this season, but I LOVED that his arc focused on his emotional journey! The kid has been through a lot, he needs to heal emotionally as well as physically !
Exactly
Looking at Miguel and Daniel they're almost like literal father and son if I wasn't paying so much attention to this I would have literally thought that he was Daniel's son instead of stupid Samantha!!
I support Miguel’s decision at the tournament, clearly Johnny and Daniel are not going to stop with their foolishness and they need a SERIOUS wake up call if not even preventing Kreese/Silver from taking over the Valley are enough.
You think they don't want this nonsense to stop? They do, but they're definitely not fully aligned yet, and they both know it.
Miguel made the decision that Robby should have made in the first all valley.
Miguel is the heart of the show,he s always sacrified,he s the best
@SpeedRaiser yeh in real life he’s even more likeable, he’s such a good bloke
I'm pretty sure he does twitch streams in real life. I saw some clips but couldn't be bothered to actually go on twitch, but yeah, xolo's a really good guy
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 yes,he does,or,he was doing
Absolutely true
Can’t wait till next season. This season was to finish arcs set up last season for Robby, Sam and Eli especially. And to give Tory a whole new side. Next season with the seeds planted in this season Miguel and Johnny are going to have some really amazing arcs, they’ll be emotional, heartfelt and badass. Me personally I don’t want Miguel to find his father, I want it to be a 2 episode trip and when all hope seems lost for Miguel he finds Johnny instead of his real father.
The fact that Miguel's PTSD is so overlooked is something as well not to mention the I love you Robby broke me. Miguel deserved better. He loves learning from daniel because he loves sam not to mention he wants to not fight because it will send him to the hospital again.
Miguel doesn't have PTSD
If any character deserves better it's Johnny's actual son.
@@can-ws8hn yes he does similar to the way Daniel has ptsd but more intense.
@@ultimates6922 You guys are downplaying ptsd so much.
@@can-ws8hn no I am not ptsd can come in many forms and they practically admit Daniel has it in season 5 with Jessica and it’s the reason Daniel gets scared when he sees the dojo and is so scared of silver as we are told he never mentioned silver to his kids and Amanda he also is shown to act impulsively when it comes to silver altho he acts impulsive not usually to that degree plus he remembers everything silver said to him just because he doesn’t have severe ptsd doesn’t mean he doesn’t have it from the events in the 80s especially karate kid 3.
I feel like Miguel should’ve eased back into training. His heart wasn’t in the 2nd All valley. He’s been struggling and needs to do some soul searching. I don’t think he’ll find his answers from his father. Carmen probably had a good reason not to tell him.
I actually think his father will be a changed man and Miguel will get to meet his siblings (probably sister(s)). But we will see.
His heart was in the All Valley. He said in season 3 "I need to prove it again." I put that clip in the video.
@@watchparty1 I think after ep 8, no. He had so much on his mind that in the end, winning or losing wouldn't change a thing.
@@watchparty1 In season 3 he was, in season 4 that was scrapped
Felt it did perfect job of what terry silver is like? There heartfelt moment when johnny was drunk reminded me of Daniel was falling out with mr miyagi in KK3 as you see in pat Morita eyes that he gonna cry. And parallels with seeing miguel cry I felt that.
Like he said he make them suffer and suffer then he starts with the pain
It would be even more interesting if Miguel and Hawk were as close as they were in season 2
For sure. Shouldn't they be?
Hawk used to only be loyal to Miguel and Aieshia. Then Cobra Kai
Facts. They fucking drifted this season. Uhh so annoying
Damn Miguel hasn't been able to catch a break these last few seasons. He got paralyzed and got into the coma in season 2, season 3 is him recovering and than getting beat up by Kyler for most of the fight until the end, and season 4 forced him get into a fight yet again because of Sam at prom (great girlfriend, am I right?) and when Miguel becomes vulnerable around Johnny, he says I love you too, Robby.
Im starting to like tory and hate sam now
@@sdxmzn
Sam instigated most of the conflict in the latest season. So much so that I was rooting for Tory to kick her ass most of the ass.
I almost don’t like Sam anymore
i never liked sam :D
@@lilxtasy4936 if you were rooting for Tory at the roller rink and in s4 as well you're a hypocrite. Sorry not sorry
Disagree at the end, I like Miguel walking away, he's been living for other people up tell this point, trying to please Johnny, he's now taking the next step to becoming his own person and I see the next season focusing more on him and his next big fight will be about him wanting to win, not trying to prove himself to another.
I feel like the point of the Daniel and Miguel scenes was really showing his desire for a father (and to know more about his actual biological dad). Daniel provided him an expository outlet to admit what he couldn't with Johnny, since Miguel has basically begun to see (unconsciously, then consciously) Johnny as a surrogate father over the course of the show. A lot of what happened with him this season was obvious set-up for S5 and the "seeking his biological dad" story arc, who will probably end up being a massive asshole that will show Johnny is a better man by contrast.
Miguel's storyline was very melancholy but, I wasn't disappointed with it. I completely understand why Miguel had to come off so depressed/ upset... because it was only a matter of time, when the series would actually full focus on Miguel and his mysterious father... I guess giving Miguel a "backseat and/ or melancholy storyline" was the best way to set up for it...?
I totally agree with you !
I don't think Eli and Demetri ditched Miguel, I think he was so focused on his relationship with Sam that he didn't really make time for his friends, just like Demetri did when Yas came back. I think Miguel's biggest conflict this season was finding himself and what he wanted for the future
He may not be the main focus of Season 4, but he’s definitely going to be in Season 5 when he goes to Mexico City to find his biological dad!
I watched a couple episodes of season 1 and season 3 to 4 but I can't wait to see season 5 how is father's going to react when he finds out he has a son he had no idea existed
The highlight for me this season was Daniel and Miguel bonding. Both come from similar backgrounds and Miguel wasn't as stubborn to learning from Daniel as Robby was. You could see Miguel was really enjoying his time with him. But he still appreciates Johnny.
I completely agree,good to see we think the same and I hope daniel goes looking for miguel on S5 and isn't just left out from that main situation with miguel looking for his real/biological dad. He has been through alot and although Johnny is trying to help Miguel,their relationship isn't the best at the moment,miguel has been better with Daniel at the time in S4 and I think it's better that Daniel looks for him and speaks with him aswell,I kind of hope that Miguel's dad turned out to be an A hole so there's a wholesome moment where Daniel protects Miguel from him lol but I'm excited for S5 and I hope Miguel finds his dad and maybe there be a bit of drama in there
I was with you up until you started bashing Miguel for walking away. He was literally caught in a battle between two man babies that couldn’t get over their little schoolboy rivalry. He realized the man that he looked up to as a father was using him as a replacement for Robby and a way to one up Daniel. I would leave too.
Exactly! Johnny was being totally unfair to Miguel. I mean he wanted Miguel to be ok with him dating the kid's mom but he couldn't be cool with Miguel getting to know his 2nd sensei who's also his girlfriend's father, and in the tournament he practically told Miguel to show no mercy to his best friend (Eli) which is almost the opposite of what he told Miguel to do to Robby in the last All Valley.
@@kevinthompson3569 Actually what he said is practically the same as what Kresse said to Robby about Kenny the whole is this your friend or opponent.
@@ultimates6922 Robby was Miguel's opponent in the 2018 All Valley tournament, yet Johnny didn't tell Miguel to take Robby out.
I feel like he always wanted to prove himself in this tournament and the focus the whole time for Miguel was the win even with stuff on the side like the dojo issues and the prom with Sam, but these issues kind of started to pile up as there was the time Johnny saying I love you Robby, which even tho he was drunk, gave Miguel the idea that he cared more about his relationship with robby than Miguel which had broken him especially since Johnny was now an even bigger part of Miguel’s life with him knowing abt Carmen and Johnny and him not seeing Daniel a lot. It was these and the biggest issue which was Johnny caring more abt the dojo drama than having his champions best interests at heart and guiding him to prove himself and use his own style to do so which is what he did with Sam causing Daniel to see that he wasn’t all bad and they made up johnny might’ve recognized at this point he messed up w Miguel and he could save it w Sam. Anyway since Miguel knew Johnny and other role models (Daniel) cared more about dojo drama than Miguel proving himself and trying to end the drama in the process they tried to make him a pawn which he wasn’t falling for, he had enough of the dojo drama to the point that he didn’t even care abt ending it and he was furious with his role models for not keeping him in mind and making him a piece in the game which is what Sam would’ve been too if she wasn’t allowed to use her style in the end, Miguel wasn’t allowed to fight his way and he prolly felt like there was no point proving himself if win or lose the people that he wanted to prove himself too the most (Johnny, Daniel) didn’t even care. I think he felt he needed to find someone else at least for the time being so that’s why he set out for his father thinking he’ll find someone that will truly care abt him and not some stupid dojo or getting revenge on exes even tho him and Sam r cool, or displaying a certain style. He wanted to find his dad because he isn’t involved in this stuff
What did Miguel expect? That Johnny would love him more than his actual son. That's really fucked up, and self-centered. I had absolutely no sympathy for Miguel in that scene. So he's not the center of the universe for once, boo-hoo. Frankly, he needed a bit of humbling.
Dear WP,
I feel Miguel's arc in Season 4 was pretty huge and actually quite decent.
When Miguel decided not to fight in his semi final match, that was a big sign of maturity in his character. He realized that he didn't need to win, or even compete, as he's already done all of that.
The stuff you said about Miguel not having a champion's mentality could just be a sign that he's either matured, or just found himself in a state of confusion. He already won the previous year, then he recovered from a huge spinal injury and is able to walk again. So he's already winning. Why bother relying on a result at a karate tournament to fulfil his happiness, especially when there's other aspects of his life which are incomplete and unfulfilled? He has simply come to realize that he doesn't need to chase any more victories.
I think Miguel's story in season 4 was one of growth, maturity, and plenty of confusion along the way! - I think this relates to KK3, where Daniel is shown a different path and philosophy by learning cobra kai. This then leads him to much confusion about who he really is. As Miyagi says to him a few times in the film "much confusion inside of you". I think we see this for both Miguel and Sam in S4, having both been shown a different path and philosophy to what they were used to. They are both confused as they choose which way they grow, just like the bonsai tree. This is why Miguel has decided to go and find his father, exploring his own roots in order to find his true self. There were lots of things pointing towards Miguel wanting to find his father throughout the season. Like when Miguel overhears his Grandmother likening him to his father during the pre-prom photos, to his relationship with Johnny and even Daniel. - Side note: It was interesting when Miguel got injured during his semi final match vs Eli. Just before the episode ends he yells the word 'SENSEI', despite Johnny being right next to him. Although it's likely he just didn't realize Johnny was right there, it's also possible that he didn't even know himself who he was actually calling out for? Whether he was calling out for Johnny, Daniel, or even his father?
I think Miguel going off to find his father is more about him going on a journey to find himself.
I agree ! I think Miguel realised at that tournament that there’s much more to life and much more important things for his personal growth than winning a karate tournament !
What Miguel should’ve fought for was so that Cobra Kai was beaten and had to quit or other kids could end up being influenced negatively by it like how he was. He should be the reluctant hero
@@discolullaby5777 Miguel is still healing from being nearly permanently paralysed……… he didn’t want to put himself at risk for the sake of a trophy. His heart was just not in it either. I thought he did the right thing, he still needs to figure himself out. Johnny should have been more supportive rather than trying to force him to fight
actually he realised he didnt need to fight not bcos he's already done that but bcos there's no reason to. if he wins, he proves johnny is better. johnny and daniel remain enemies. he was being used as a pawn by johnny, which made him realise even more that johnny can never be his real dad. he had that empty hole in his heart his whole life. his missing dad. so that's his mission now. the secrets to his arc is all in his final letter
🔴Miguel Finds His Dad (Revealed)👉ruclips.net/video/O6lFtHOWTCw/видео.html
Will do, sir! ;)
They really put Miguel in the back burner this season. It sucks.
Unless they got something crazy for us for miguel
@@jesusmagdaleno1831 he becomes a narco
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Miguel had a lot of character growth this season that is gonna continue on into next season. Some people are acting weird about his arc just bc he wasn’t getting into fights the entire season and actually had some real development going on. like did people not understand his arc and how he was struggling mentally the entire season?
• struggling with thinking about his financial future and his relationship with Sam.
• understanding that he, and most of the other kids are being used to fight only for the adults’ silly feud. he felt like he was not fighting for himself any more and felt like he had nothing to gain from it.
• feeling the overall pressure to maintain his title for all the wrong reasons. he new he was the one to beat.
• his and johnnys strained relationship, causing him to not feel the need to fight his battles for him anymore.
• his determination to figure out himself and find out what he really wants to do.
his arc this season was really interesting . my man’s heart was not in this competition and for very valid reasons. he’s gonna be the big winner by the end of the series. I can feel it. they’re setting him and Robby up long term. I also feel Tory and Robby are gonna go through similar arcs next season where they’re over the whole karate feud and realize they’re more than a trophy.
This season gave him a lot of clarity and he grows as a character as he realized everyone was fighting for stupid rivalry and revenge and to prove something. He backs off because he is not afraid to take a step back. He chose his heart and a peace of mind rather than chasing a trophy. He’s still undefeated. El Serpiente, everyone will be waiting for you next season.
Funny thing is, they saw the tournament as the only safe space to fight.
The adults are clearly trying to move beyond their silly feud but don't think they're anywhere near that goal yet.
Totally agree with you on every point you made there. I feel his story in S4 was underrated and misunderstood, which is a shame as it was written so brilliantly.
The top man has risen above it all!
That "Tori made her choice Riiiight About there" part had me Rolling 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The sleep talking scene hit deep, you could feel the oof through the screen
I wish Sam got johnnys headband in some heartfelt training session moment like Miguel with Daniel
I 100% agree with this. There needed to be more Sam and Johnny interaction.
Miguel was the guy I resonated with the most. So I wouldn't want to say this season is my favourite. It is really good though. Miguel wasn't even there so I didn't notice his plot faults.
Hopefully season five will give him more screen time in order to improve his arc.
It really did hurt to see Miguel fall into the background, but it always puts a smile on my face to see Robbie lose a fight. Especially a fair, and straightforward fight. So this season is still my favorite. However, since he keeps losing the most significant fights, Robbie is due for a big win sometime next season or the one after that. That's going to suck.
the love you scene still crushes me
miguel is just trying to do right by everyone else, and everyone is doing him dirty. my boy deserves better i really hope season 5 gives him a good focus
Miguel definitely should have had more scenes with Hawk. He should have showed up with Demetri
Edit: I do love the “Finally a worth opponent” line Hawk does again when they fight at the tournament. Nice call back to Coyote Creek in the woods
Perfectly said watchparty...
Exactly my thoughts
Miguel was nerfed this season so other characters like amanda tory robby eli anthony kenny and silver could be elevated...
His relationship with sam was also badly written.... the prom night for ex
Johnnys and miguel relationship is like daniels and miyagis was 35 yrs ago...
I hope he gets a definitive arc and lot of screen time next season....
You would think that Carmen would text Miguel "YOUR DAD DOESN'T KNOW THAT YOU EXIST! AND HE IS VERY DANGEROUS!".
Yeah, you do think that, don't you? I tend to think Miguel turned his phone off though.
I 💯 agree. I don’t t know what the writers were thinking. Miguel is the karate kid. He is the heart of the story. It was uncharacteristic behavior to have him decide not to fight. This series is about fathers and sons. Miguel finally found one in Johnny; then Robby comes back (too easily; didn’t feel earned) and Miguel loses his father-figure. Robby didn’t have a father either, he first found one in Daniel, then lost him, and gained Johnny, the reverse of Miguel. But Miguel didn’t really gain Daniel in the same way that Robby did, why? Because of this father in Mexico City business? My hope is that he’s a bad guy, and tries to hurt him, and both Johnny and Robby come to his rescue, thus cementing their relationship. It would be tough forJohnny and Carmen to continue developing their commitment with the two boys/rivals if something momentous didn’t happen. Finishing this series with Johnny having gained two sons would make my heart happy. Johnny hasn’t earned it, but that might come. Above all, I would like to see Daniel and Johnny become best friends, maybe even open a dojo together. They are Yin and Yang. Further, I believe that one day Anthony will become Daniel’s successor.
I think they’re headed this direction so I’m moreso thinking that Johnny and Robby rescuing him will cement their relationship
Him not fighting seemed to make sense though of his arc is so far. Doesn't make him weak of not continuing the fight, but his mindset is different than before. He doesn't see the trophy as much of a big deal anymore or the Karate tournament as a way to make Johnny proud again. He knows Johnny will always be proud of him, but I think Miguel wants something more in whatever that is. Yes, he found a father figure in Johnny and in Daniel as well. But the show has yet to explore the biological father aspect for Miguel. Hence the fathers and sons themes and possible another exploration of these themes, but in a different way.
he should've came back and fought, but lost to hawk
My heart was broken when Johnny was drunk and called Miguel Robby when Miguel said he loved him. That went too far
I know right. How dare Johnny admit he loves his actual son. Doesn't he know he's not allowed to care about anybody but Miguel and the people he approves of. Why can't Johnny just keep neglecting Robby like he has been most of his life?
I felt like Miguel was sidelined too but it kinda works when we see him escaping to Mexico at the end. Everyone seemed to forget about him so he left. I don’t know if that was done purpose but I definitely felt Miguel’s abandonment.
Everything you said about Miguel and Eli made me sad lol they were my favorites too, but clearly that’s faded as the story goes on. I really wish they had more time together
Yes. They didn't interact the whole second half the season until their final match. Even in the first half there wasn't much.
I agree if anything it might’ve made more sense to have Miguel come back to the fight and end up losing to Hawk because of his injury, and that loss is what pushes him to see his real father as he feels defeated. But then again I think the writers wanted a way to get Miguel out of the tournament without him just “losing” because if Miguel wins the all valley it’s just repetitive and predictable even if it does make sense as Miguel is clearly the best fighter there imo.
I think that is essentially it.
but Miguel remains unbeaten on the bright side
Miguel is the protagonist of Cobra Kai, never forget that.
Yep
Pretty sure Johnny is.
I feel the writers dropped the ball a bit with Miguel in Season 4. He would have serious emotional trauma from all he had been through end of season 2 through season 3. And the near death trauma he went through was way glossed over in 4. Robbie would likely feel way more guilt about it because he is a good hearted kid in essence also. And nobody much mentions it.
Miguel got sidelined, hawk got castrated, and Miguel and hawks friendship disappeared, my fav chars got shafted. On the bright side, Robbie became badass this season, not worth the trade off
Sounds like Netflix
After three seasons of Robby being screwed over while Hawk and Miguel hogged the Spotlight, it was more than an even trade off. Actually, I'd say Robby still got screwed over. His reconciliation with Johnny was completely unearned because Johnny made absolutely no effort to help him this season, and he deserved a win way more than Eli did, he was even supposed to win originally, Eli winning was a last minute change that just didn't make sense.
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I'll try!
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Miguel was definitely the most mature character
Poor Miguel, he was let down so much this season, he just needs love.
He's now had a small taste of Robby's life. No so fun is it when everyone ignores you.
I liked Miguel's story the most this season since season one.
honestly i hope they make season 5 centered around miguel again because obviously he is literally the main character of the show but also because the destroyed his character this season they highlighted every inseurity and flaw that he had and then crushed him that last scene with Johnny was heartbreaking because Miguel got thrown around like a ragdoll this season he got thrust into so many different rivalries and dramas that were not his and you can see it in his fight with hawk he's just tired and burnt out karate was an outlet for him now its a burden i hope he finds himself in season 5
You mentioned everything I was thinking. Except the fact that Johnny literally cured Miguel's asthma. You think Miyagi healing is OP? Try projecting your voice into the dreams of a comatose patient and bringing him back to life. Then try defying science by having him walk again using the power of rock and roll & making the kid forget he can't stand by you needing a pep talk. Johnny healing > Miyagi hand healing
This definitely wasn’t the same Miguel from season 1 where he told Jonny in the finals that he was gonna exploit Robbie’s weaknesses and win by any means. He had so much fire in him yet he was still a good hearted person that’s why had made such a great main character. I hate that they neutered him in season 4.
i mean brodi did get crippled
I think Season 4 was a step back for Miguel’s character but Season 5 will be around him
something i noticed is that miguel called daniel, "sensei" and johnny thought it was for him. this really got overlooked and i dont think miguel meant anything by it, but "sensei" should only be for johnny. miguel should've just said mr larruso
In his letter at the end he did.
I damn near cried when Johnny called Miguel “Robby”.
That was the 2nd time in one night that Miguel felt like somebody he loved was choosing Robby over him.
that’s exactly how robby felt for 4 seasons
@@rielequeen that is 100% factual
@@jeremiahartacho thanks...it’s sad that no one cares about robby’s feelings.
@@rielequeen that’s so true but season 5 seems promising, i really hope robby joins his dad to help find miguel.
@@rielequeen I feel for both of them.
I miss the writing in season one. It’s a shame the plot that made it so interesting is gone now and we can’t really get it back
I think this video makes a great point about the character and what we have seen and what we could see, and I also feel so sad for miguel cause he was gonna tell the girl of his dreams what she meant to him, how he felt, and what he couldn't stop thinking about 😢 but instead that night got ruined for him and his heart got extra broken due to a drunk Johnny and it is very, sad, and at least they did end up working things out.
Thank you!
I liked it better when Johnny and Miguel were the only main characters and that Miguel was like unbeatable
Yeah good old days
he might have had a lighter story arc this season...but he had the biggest tear jerker moment
Spot on. I pray the creators (and I have no reason to think they will) don't go all Fast and the Furious on us with Miguel and Johnny.
I think season 5 will have them come back together and bring their relationship as step son- step dad to a close. In season 6 they end as a family, how both of them changed each others lives.
WATCHPARTY: This is a Brillant video my friend. I think that Miguels story this season kind of lacked a little bit, but I think the reason for that could be because they are saving his major plot story for season 5. I also think that Miguel choosing to not go out there and fight with the reasons that he gave Sam proves that he doesn't have to fight and that he has proven everything that he has needed to prove: that he is the true all valley champion through his heart and not just his skill
I actually took Miguel's choice to quit the fight as the ultimate act of a true champion. Of all the characters this season, he took Miyagi's "No be there" lesson to heart. He knew fighting in this tournament wasn't right - it was being done for all the wrong reasons. Daniel was too cocky that he didn't consider losing to Cobra Kai at all, so he went into this tournament ignorant. Meanwhile, Johnny went into this tournament out of jealously and pride. Neither sensei should've been there since both weren't in a proper head space. Their defeat was inevitable. Miguel realized this. He knew there was no way to actually 'win' this fight, so he chose the alternative: 'no be there'.
That aside, I think Miguel would've lost to Hawk had he fought. As you mentioned, Cobra Kai would've won had Hawk lost. So Miguel had to go. At least by leaving on his own accord, he remains the undefeated champion lol.
Tbf, Miguel would have beaten Hawk. But that would mean Cobra Kai wins. So the only way was for Miguel to leave
@@saileshnaidu8102 An injured half fit Miguel isn't beating a full fit Eli/Hawk whatsoever. Get real
@@saileshnaidu8102 not necessarily. I’m pretty sure the points of the actually champs would override any of the others. As Terry says, they wouldn’t end it or decide it on a technicality. And u realize the kind of outrage one would have for a dojo to lose the contest even if they won the tournament? The points were most likely there in case a tie occurred in the finals. Which is what happened
I think that Miguel still wanted to prove it to himself he could do it again but he felt like it was no longer about his want to prove it to himself again but instead the rivalries he wasn’t apart of that he didn’t care about.
Miguel is my favorite character in Cobra Kai. I’m looking forward to his story arc in season 5!
"it was like divorced parents" I mean, that one is very direct, the whole beginning of the 4th season was basically Johnny and Danny getting divorced
I think what robby said at the prom was right. Miguel and johnny both look for something to fill the void in one another. Miguel looks for a father figure in Johnny since he never knew his actual dad. And johnny sees miguel as a sort of secound robby. Johnny probably sees Carmen and miguel as the family he couldnt have with Robby. Deep down both arent quit right for eachother in that position tho. As much as johnny loves miguel , miguel cant replace Robby. And as much miguel loves johnny , Johnny will never be the closure and dad he was looking for.
I'm ok with miguel's decision, it's in character, it does serve the plot, but it's not out of the blue. But i'm sure they'll give miguel the opportunity to kick some ass next season. What really hurts me is jus how long were gonna have to wait for season 5
wow, you are right on. I had those same feelings about Miguel! I always thought he was it factor, but it felt like they was trying to write him off!
This was a very interesting conversation analysis. 💯 The writing for season 4 definitely seems to have escorted Miguel to taking a back seat when arguably his father son relationship/dynamics with Johnny Lawrence was in some ways the heart of the story. Johnny blew it this season but the good thing is that Johnny instinctively instantly recognizes it. What's sad is that Robby's actually right when he tells Kreese that he's not going to be a pawn in Kreese's rivalry with his dad and Daniel. Robby knows what everyone else doesn't. This Sam and Miguel are almost manipulated by the father's and father figures in their life to fight for some reasons that have nothing to do with them, and that's sort of sad even with as amazing as this show overall is. DANIEL IS HAUNTED BY HIS PAST MEMORIES OF BEING BULLIED AND IT TURNS HIM INTO SOME SORT OF MISGUIDED SELF RIGHTEOUS GANG LEADER OF SORTS (FROM A METAPHORICAL PERSPECTIVE) AS WELL AS JOHNNY LAWRENCE. COBRA KAI AND MIYAGIDO ARE VERY MUCH LIKE GANG RIVALRIES. I LOVE THIS WRITING ITS THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN 😭. BECAUSE ONLY WRITING THIS GOOD COULD GET FANS LIKE MYSELF AS EMOTIONALLY INVESTED AS I'VE BECOME WITH THESE CHARACTERS.
I think Miguel walking away is more about subverting expectations than plot convenience. We’ve seen the whole “injured athlete must decide to continue” trope at least twice before in this series (fist w/ Daniel in the movie & later w/ Robbie in season 1). Doing that again would be WAY too predictable. Plus they set up that Miguel was CLEARLY over Johnny at that point. He was probably disgusted that Johnny would put his need to win over his health too, and decided to just walk away.
that just proves that subverting expectations is just a bullshit way for storytelling. its DEFINITELY deeper than that.
There’s so many characters. Others needed the spotlight, like robby and Tory. And even Anthony, even if you hate him, he’s objectively way better now
He might have had a decreased role this season, but that one scene where Miguel told Johnny he loved him and got the response back that he did broke my heart more than any other scene in Cobra kai and most other media recently. Feeling the emotion that both Miguel and Johnny portrayed was beautiful and real.
i think it makes sense considering the arcs he had with daniel, johnny, and sam, but most importantly daniels miyagi do mindset and johnny’s failures, sam was in my opinion the one person he saw be consumed the most by the cobra kai beef and did not want to take part in all that
He’s not forgotten, he just learned how to walk a few months ago lol
Well I think he explains it to Sam the way it is. The Miguel of season 3 was determined to prove himself, but he felt like Johnny was being selfish. It happened the same way with Robby, he had joined CK at the end of the season, but he felt like the bet between the dojos made him a pawn, Miguel wanted to be a much valuable piece, but he was being treated like a pawn.
It's personal. It's always personal. You do it for yourself. That's why I even dropped a clip from The Last Dance. It doesn't matter what Johnny or Daniel or anyone thinks. Miguel needs to do it for himself.
@@watchparty1 I haven’t seen the documentary, but still, I think I understand what you’re trying to prove with that reference, however all I’m saying is that the reason he didn’t fight was, as he tells Sam, that he wasn’t fighting for himself (which is what you’re saying; Miguel needs to do it for himself, and he didn’t feel like it so he chose not to and he focused in a more personal issue, finding his dad).
I think it wasn’t a bad call (i still root for him since season 1), unlike the sprinkler event where I agree with Johnny, he poked the bear and it had consequences, it was a Lapusso move (if he didn’t want to fight he should have ignored Robby’s comment and stick to the tournament thing).
@@inigozaldivar8300 if Miguel wouldn't do that there would be fight at that place only.
@@inigozaldivar8300 Miguel pulled that sprinkler prank because Cobra Kai was gonna try to pick a fight with him and his friends and he knew they weren't gonna listen to reason. If he had told them "let's just walk away" Cobra Kai would've tried to attack them from behind since they follow "Strike first."
Miguel has proven himself. The is called Cobra Kai, but Miguel has become a young Mr Miyagi (Win Lose No Matter) More mature than any of the other characters.
the rapport between Johnny and Miguel is the heart of the show. it's the core. They got away from that in Season 4 somewhat, and if they drift further away from it in Season 5, I may curb my fandom a bit. Hoping the show doesn't end after Season 5! I could see Cobra Kai going a full 6 or 7 seasons
Yeah he did kinda feel less important in S4 as he was in the first 3 seasons. I think S5 though will be interesting for Miguel as well as a new direction and something missing which is a original Cobra Kai series Main Antagonist while we have a colorful roster of new characters in CK with Miguel, Robby, Hawk, Sam, Tory, Demitri etc etc because up to this point we had John Kreese in S2-3 and Terry Silver and somewhat Kreese in S4 and more than likely Mike Barnes in S5 with Silver these are all Antagonist roles from TKK Movie series so what I’m getting at is we can have an OG CK Main Event Antagonist I’m not talking about minor ones we seen like Kyler and his gang in the first half of S1, Sid(theoretically), Trey and Cruz, Tom Cole, that sleazy Australian guy that dated Carmen and so on, what if during Miguel’s journey to Mexico City we come to find Mr Diaz is a powerful Cartel Kingpin that has a underground criminal syndicate empire this would make a new Main Event Villain for what seems to be Miguel/Johnny’s S5 arc whilst in the Valley you got Terry Silver and more than likely Mike Barnes with Snake and Dennis against Daniel and Chozen so S5 already has a really great set up as it makes room for Expansion in the series so I liked the cliffhanger ending with Miguel in S5. So I think it be kool if Miguel does run into Mr Diaz whom dismisses him initially not knowing who he is and Miguel explains to him about Carmen and he soon sees he is telling the truth and decides to coerce him into joining his Cartel business and I think it be kool if Miguel has a half brother whom is wicked and corrupt taking after their Father to run the Cartel business and while on this journey Johnny can call up Bobby and Jimmy the OG Cobras and these 3 go on a journey in Mexico City fighting Cartels, Thugs, Drug Dealers, Gangsters to save Miguel Streets Of Rage or Final Fight style, maybe while Johnny goes on the journey with the OG Cobras they have Robby go with them too since his arc is just open in the air and seems to lean he will actually connect with his Father Johnny this time and also for Miguel could see him as a brother figure more so than his half biological evil brother thats how I think S5 could play you can have Miguel fight his half brother and loose due to his previous injury and Robby take him on and so he has an atonement for what he did to Miguel in S2 as well as seeing how wicked Mr Diaz is come to accept Johnny as is Father and Miguel as a brother figure whilst Miguel has an arc where he is emotionally torn at what Mr Diaz and his half brother are leading both Johnny and Robby to council his disheartenment. Miguel leaves MX with Johnny, Robby, Bobby and Jimmy to the Valley maybe at Ep 9 they get out of there meanwhile a defeated Mr Diaz and his second son recuperate since mercy was shown to them and it won’t be the last we see of them all this whilst Daniel and Chozen been confronting Cobra Kai ran by Terry Silver, Mike Barnes, Snake and Dennis. Again this is my fan theory feel free to leave feedback and your thoughts.
I hope he gets more screen time in season 5,he deserves it
Count on it.
The majority of screen time for the first three seasons wasn't enough. How dare the show focus on other characters?
yea i was really upset with what they did with him this season. this season pretty much made me like hawk, robbie and Tory. Miguel is my favorite
I think Johnny and Robby will go after Miguel in Mexico to try and bring him back. I also wonder what kind of job Miguel’s dad has we know it is illegal but it will be nice to know for sure what it was and if he also knows karate.
That is basically confirmed (well Robby not so much but it's rumoured.)
@@quarantinejet2312 yeah your right
I wonder if watchparty thinks the same as us
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Imagine his dad is a good man haha
I also noticed that when hawk got his head shaved miguel wasn’t even mad or anything. Weren’t they like best friends in season 2? I didn’t really like season 4 for this reason also the way they can fix these issues you’re talking about is just make the episodes longer which I have no idea why they haven’t even done it. Each episode should be about an hour long that would be perfect for every character to interact more. Also at the end Demetri gave Eli an ultimatum saying that he would rather pick eagle fang than join miyagi-do like does he not remember Miguel is also his best friend and isn’t Miguel Demetris close friend as well? that didn’t make sense at all I understand they needed to do this to complete Hawks story line but still Johnny was his first sensei
No, Miguel was just smart enough to know there is no point in being mad
I feel like it good that Miguel left to find his father due all the relationship drama and pettyness that's been going on. I think it's good that he can find something and or someone else to worry about other then Sam or Tory or even Robby .
Feels like the writers don't know where to go with Miguel in s4, right until the end when they found the opportunity to give Miguel an arc of looking for his father.
Season 4 Miguel was a cupcake version of himself
Half-eaten cupcake at that.
@@watchparty1 lmao true
@@watchparty1 nah he ate the whole tray of them n become a soft ass lardo
i really hate that "plot development" in Cobra Kai means "Miguel constantly gets crippled", and that the worst person in the whole show is Sam LaRusso.
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I personally think that they are going to give him extra time is S5 so they give his share of S4 to other characters. Finding his dad, finding himself, it almost sounds like the resolution of his character. Even an archetypal hero has atonement with father right before the resolution. So by the end of S5 or start of s6 Miguel's character might be complete.
I definitely think he'll have a lot more in Season 5.
I think him being sidlined in the 4th season makes a more bigger impact on his arc in the next season.
I definitely feel like season 5 will be Miguel's season to truly shine. I can't wait to see how he evolves during his trip to Mexico even though we know we'll have some heartbreaks
He already had seasons 1-3. Why does he need another?
I know that the writers feel like this is the best season but the core of what got me hooked on CK were the core character developments, which was what’s missing. Too many subplots were going on, with emphasis on new/minor characters like Anthony, took away too much from Hawk and Miguel. Despite Terence Silver, I didn’t yearn to rewatch any of the episodes, which is sad.
Let me entertain a different perspective.
I can see how you would look at this from your perspective and why you thought it stuck out the most, but I don’t think it is the same for a 16 year old kid?
I don’t think Miguel’s storyline was any less important than anyone else. All you have to do is put yourself in his shoes and relate that to someone his own age in the world today. Life lessons, social media, etc. all comes into play. Quality over Quantity.
When Miguel bonded with Daniel their were myriad obstacles to overcome to becoming a man.
Those things he did with Daniel are challenges for young kids. It only looked easy because Daniel is a natural.
Miguel thinking he was a loser because of community college. Daniel teaches him how to fix a car. That’s a challenge. When Daniel told them to catch a fish. Miguel had to use his brain. He could of easily gave up, especially after he fell in the water.
Things started getting weird for Miguel when he was late for dinner and Johnny forgets he’s talking to a kid and starts going on about sex.
That’s my perspective. Others have their own. Everyone’s story arc is just as important as the others. It just depends who’s looking.
You could look at his storyline being sad, sure. While Miguel may feel sad at times, he’s still strong on the inside. To be strong enough to leave Johnny and go seek out his Dad.
I see his storyline as being one of the best things because I like challenges in life. That’s what tv shows and movies do to people. And this show is doing a great job at teaching those crucial life lessons to bring back with you in reality.
We get to see Miguel’s struggle, how he will overcome it. It builds character and will help you overcome any Adversity in your life.
My only complaint is at 9:14 where you talk about Kreese. You picked a bad moment to use Kreese because if you haven’t noticed, he is very slowly turning over a new leaf. I wouldn’t doubt if he buries the Hatchet with Johnny and Daniel.
Remember who Kreese was before the war? He was actually a good dude. There is never such a thing as a bad student.
cobra Kai
season 1: Johnny
season 2: Miguel
season 3: hawk
season 4: Tory
Season 5: Kenny
Next season looks like it's going to be all about identity for him.
I expect he's going to get into at least one street fight along the way.
That’s exactly what i told my brother when i gave predictions on Season 5.
My guess is while he’s walking down the streets of Ecuador, a bunch of thugs try to mug him. He attempts to use Karate and wins for a while, but gets overpowered eventually, straining his willpower even more.
My theory was doing good until my brother said he’ll most likely get stabbed or shot then die lmao
You were right, I investigated and Miguel was 17 in the beginning of his jr year, making him too old for a 3rd shot at the all Valley. Since he was 17 before the Christmas party, there's no shot even if they moved the tournament to earlier in the year.
Feels like they have a cycle for migel is a season will focus on him and the next not so much for more Johnny and another characters to develop. Just sucks we need to wait so long!
Miguel is a side character on his own show!
Look how they massacared my boy.