Should the Slayer-script patch be rolled back? | No New World bug fixes until June
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Amazon Games' long stepping mission to secrecy in order to build more hype for the future expansion may kill the game itself. In this video we explore missteps AGS has taken and the recent video that highlights what the community thinks as a whole.
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0:00 The Video
3:19 Tone Deaf
5:50 Bug Infestation
9:22 Invincibility
12:33 Why MMR is Needed for Balancing
17:52 New Player Perspective
20:58 Lack of Renewable Content
24:00 Territory Problem
27:08 Top 10 Keg of All Time 
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Game with the highest potential: New World
Game which will NEVER meet its potential: New World
It is 100% infuriating.
Yep 🫠
Please don't take it salty but thank you for making this videos so i feel even better knowing quitting this game was a good call
Why would I be salty? It’s just reality that AGS has failed consistently to deliver. Of the starting 50 war players my company had a year ago around 15 remain… most people moved on.
Just saying from precaution nothing personal
@@mecr0w i quit 6 months ago, still watch all your videos hoping somthing changes. thanks for the hard work my guy. would love to come back when pvp is good
They had a balance of power video explaining all the things changing in May and quietly that went away, suddenly that video comes out. Anyone left playing is a true masochist.
Yep and faster patches were supposed to happen with slayer script too :/
Great overview brother! Appreciate you! Hoping for better days! 🤞
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Second this! - Just got to this channel upon recommendation and very thorough/full of information that lines up with current events in NW.
Congratulations 🥳
Previous patch was saved in notepad, which is now corrupted.
-AGS
I appreciate your perspective and passion for the game. It surely is getting harder to get friends to stick around and to stick around myself.
Yea I am mostly playing other games but the videos I put out are still mostly about NW.
I had probably the most fun in the game during early season 4 when i joined a lowish tier company. We won a few wars and lost a few which demotivated half of the company. Some people were burnt out but didnt want to improve. The most fun was the races when we could decimate a hoarde of like 50 uncoordinated people with 20 managed players. Valhalla became a dead zone when dropouts came at the end of season 4. It's just s tier wars that have gated everyone else out. Then ags added bugs on top of it 😂
Yep :/
Valhalla was lit during season 4. I had an almost identical experience, we probably even encountered each other in a few races.
@mecr0w can you do a video of healing breeze? I heard it's being tested with bruiser builds with tumblers being the main source of proc, unsure if It's good/better in other weights such as heavy disruptor or light build.
Ye just did it. Doesn’t depend on base dmg.
JDB having that many territories in USWest for that long is crazy. I also remember when the Devs said that their "home" world is El Dorado (US West) and the world where JDB has that many territories. Makes a person annoyed looking back when they stated that "According to the Data" it isn't common for companies to own more than 2 territories. When looking at THEIR HOME WORLD, it was very true...
Original proposition: PvP MMO! Actual PvP! Fun combat! Big fights!
Current proposition: yet another pve themepark! Still only one OPR map!
Player proposition: Steam graph
Many such cases
They definitely have some complacency issues in house. Performance reviews are needed at this point because someone in ags is not doing their job, at least not well....
Solid video and accurate perspective on "our" situation. With the way combat feels .... hard to log in and feel like you can accomplish anything. Console will solve not one problem... just add new problems. I sure hope AGS can surprise us all... but I am losing hope
Console will mean slower releases too because they have to go through Microsoft/Sony for approval first… even if you accomplish stuff if gearscore cap is raised it doesn’t really matter.
Are we getting the weapon balances this month still?
Balance of Power is next week so we’d know then
Thank you for your video.
I think they should also add solo queue for pvp. It is literally impossible to go into OPR as a light player and enjoy the game. There is ALWAYS someone on medium or heavy with a pocket healer that somehow deals more damage to me as a heavy/medium than me as a light. That is straight up bs and does not make any sense. Started this game 1 month ago and I really like it but the stuttering nature, bad match making and weird animation glitches sometimes, just destroys the game.
That’s probably going to get more common with matchmaker. I think until that is added, AGS is not really able to see how strong healing is and won’t change much.
I have one question, where did the devs said that weapon passive are going to be shared? That will be really.... really hard to balance if its true.
In the first balance of power w the new dev team where they talked about their vision
@@mecr0w Thank you, i really dont recall that part, i ll have to watch it again.
@@mecr0w just rewatched the first video of this devs... didnt heard anything on passives :S
At that point they can start changing the whole game engine. Major functions like movement aremessed up anyway.
I'm playing roughly hour a half a week. 100% a war logger now
On Maramma, you can't double dec on Supple because they are colluding with Horizon, Get'n Active, Roulette Enjoyers, and Dropouts so that they make sure they win one of the influence races and then don't slot against Supple.
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Imagine being the top company and asking for other companies to dec on you so you don't have to log on the game 🤡 as well as being so politically infested into the game even with the player base being under 10k..lmao, New World is life i guess
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Played since beta, but yes sadly burnt out. Newish mmos are scarce though and I have team members who won't go back to games they already played. Also...that video was put out by people not in touch w their community.
On Kronos there is 1 super powerful war logging only company holding 4-5 cities and they host a management discord for the server, and if you dont follow their rules you will never own a city, even if you are the 2nd strongest company. Theyll just take that city from you amd than give it away to some company that plays by their rules. One of their rules is no double war declares
Brutal
They can’t roll it back because it’s what they’re probably using for console. I think that was the entire reason for it
They already have the testing they need for console and while the devs may pref it for their data customer wise it’s a horrible patch lol
This is what I've felt all along. They say it's for better performance, easier troubleshooting, etc, which could be partially true, but they wouldn't have done it unless it's required for console. It's why I won't play this season or until it's all fixed. I'm not being their QA for console release.
New Mecrow series incoming... War 101: Levelling the playing field? (Wishful thinking 🤘😁🤘)
Biggest problem with wars is experience. You can know all of the info you want but there are no good environments to practice execution in, and execution is worth way more than mechanics in a gamemode with so many players and such high TTK.
@@ab3240 So true but any bit of knowledge on tactics and positioning helps when the closest thing the game gives us is OPR/open world pvp which doesn't prepare you at all... Having some war experience it is always a bit comical/sad to see peoples reactions after their first true taste of getting blown the f up in war... 🙄
@@StrutZ007 I agree but this is a problem too big for any creator to really make any meaningful dent in. AGS has to shake up large scale PVP content in a way that invites more players into the war ecosystem and reduces barrier to entry and stomps.
Lots of games have catchup mechanics and way more intuitive ways to figure out proper micro/macro movements. If AGS wants wars to be "the" PVP endgame content that they were supposed to be from launch then they need to do a lot more to get more players involved and more players learning through the game itself, not youtube.
@@ab3240 while I 100% agree it's AGS's responsibility, they've shown that war is not a priority for them and sometimes players have to create their own content i.e. ECR, tournaments, and in-game events. While I would never expect Mecrow to put any more of his own time towards the game in it's current state, he has made it clear he would like wars more accessible to the common player and even mentioned doing a series on wars as i mentioned if memory serves me correctly. I could think of no better man for the job if he was so inclined 🙏
Season 7 would be in October, not December. Therefore, I think they are going to wait until season 7.
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I uninstalled the game at start of the month because I got bored and busy with work. I was planning on coming back but now I don't feel the need or want to do so either. Unless they announce something big in June I think I'm done. Can't be bothered with attempting to be competitive in PvP in a game that doesn't give a fuck about PvP and where the game mode is gate kept by the game system itself, by the player base, by scheduling need, by limit amount of wars that can even be done in the first place. Like competitive pvp games been moving away from progression for the last decade + and instead embracing full player skill competitiveness. But here we are in New World where you need somewhat of meta gear before you can even get started to be competitive (unless you're a vet war player and already really good at it). The whole system is dumb as fuck if all you wanna do is wars. Which is only an issue in the first place because theres no other fun team game mode for PvP. OPR Aren't really a team game mode since everyone just go and fuck around by themselves.
Game makes 0 sense to try to be comparative at and the PvE got boring and repative. + If I wanna PvE theres a hundred better games out there.
Damn we lost an og
I think noone dies bc it is almost impossible to break thru ls's healing. For example sacred ground has no ingame counter mechanics (you can send your assassins to go and kill healer but sacred ground by itself can't be countered). I mean big shots of muskets and bows can be countered by tower shield. Tower shields can be broken by 2-3 heavy attacks of WH/GA/GS. WH can be countered by dodging and tricky builds (it is too slow). You say sacred groud can be countered by desease. BUT sacred ground counter desease bc it gives +50% to incoming healing inside of it. So it literally counter its counter mechanics. And as long as we have so much healing in ls without any limitations (like high cooldowns or mana costs or amount of healing) people just will be overhealed from any incoming damage. Also playing against ls feels like you outplay your enemy catching him with your combo BUT then every 5 seconds all your efforts are being nullifyed thank to healer. This makes combas significantly less skillfull as long as game allow to players to don't get punished for their mistaes having poclet healer.
Yea and even if you catch someone in a bind they prob have stoneform and a bunch of dodges to bail themselves out
AGS is always a day late and a dollar short.
I uninstalled the game after watching yesterdays video. It was a giant f*** you to the remaining playerbase.
That certainly was a video 🫠
I miss the old combat system entirely.
I've been out of the war scene for over a year now but looking at how the meta is working, I'll never be back. Maybe console release will save the game, but I doubt it, same old surface level content where you do the same dungeons week after week.
Yea the background footage was a fun war with maybe 250ish kills. Usually that’s about 1/4 of that.
I dont wanna defend AGS, but about the delay in fixing bugs must be because theyre adding a lot of coding changes in this june release, and changing the live release that is "stable" right now would delay their release
As I said I dont want to defend AGS as this isnt the best option with the low pop right now but i can understand that they are betting in the new players that they can bring with console, and they are more important to keep this game alive than 1 month of bugged combat for the current players who already paid for the expansion, played everything this game has to offer and arent satisfied with the game
I’d agree b4 the s5 patch but there are so many bugs in the s5 patch that I think they should just roll back to s4 patch if they are going to wait this long for fixes
@@mecr0w yeah the game has tons of bugs, but the console release is probably using this new slayer script, and I think they only made this new script to be usable in consoles
@@mecr0w i must be talking nonsense since i dont know about coding but I believe they cant rollback this close to june or make changes that may affect the june release
I think that there's no way back from the Slayer Script conversion, even if you want to.
If they use GitHub there is a very simple way
warloggers, plz stop playing, i would like get through the gatekeeping and enjoy content
Nah, id log
It truly doesn’t matter because even me as a war logger can’t enjoy the game casually with friends because bigger companies want to push to get more land while already having 4 territories, then another company does it on a different color and then smaller companies can’t get much content. The system is truly broken, and AGS has said they will not work on the system anytime soon or add features like territory cap so 1-2 companies can’t own the whole map.
get good and take your war spot instead of crying
IMO if they still can't talk jus don't make censored video like that. I dunno it's just like making fun of the player base.
Me either it was so hard to watch
There's no going back on the conversion. Without moving to C there's no fixing performance issues and many bugs they literally cannot reproduce because the previous language cannot provide the needed telemetry to identify what really is causing a lot of problems. Yes there are teething issues, but we're going to just have to deal with it. Fixes are coming to things down the line we just have to be patient.
I agree but imo 40 days is enough time to get data on live patch. Instead of waiting another month on a broken patch, imo it makes sense to roll the patch back to the previously non broken patch. Identification of bugs does not matter if they all action items from the current patch were already taken.
The dungeons are so similar.
Have about a 2months that i quit 😢 im playing League again and i want to play another mmo rpg and the only one i see on my site is Monster Hunter and POE 😮💨 but i feel like im Late to the party for those 😭
I’m looking at the Dune mmo but there isn’t a ton of information on it yet.
@@mecr0w hmmm and to top it off Riot MMO is being held up cuz of AI technology
Every troll player wants swimming lol.
Idk why some people are obsessed with swimming. Literally adds nothing to content
No that isn't when any patching will be done. Thats just when they are planning to let us know what and when they plan on putting out an update. expect another month or 2 after the June announcement before anything of value shows up... I am so over this game anyway. AGS has shown time and time again that they have no clue what they are doing and that they don't give a damn about the community...
That’s why I was expecting July release since they are announcing in June
Atleast when lord of the rings mmo launches i can play a finished new world with skins
Yea I’m more confident in ashes at this point tbh but NW combat looks superior to me
@@mecr0w nw combat is goated kept me playing for way too long. Got high hopes for ashes aswell tho!
Yes they should roll it back. But it’s AGS so they won’t. They will try to cover up the issues and build more issues on top of it
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I think the June announcement will be bigger than most people are anticipating. Definitely console release, new PvP mode, probably another regional update, fresh start servers, swimming, and possibly a monetization change. What would really blow me away is a rework of gear progression. That’s just hopium but it would be nice.
If AGS changes monetization, what do you think it will be? F2P? Monthly sub?
In this last vid they said it’d be free if you bought rise of angry earth. No monetization besides skins.
The list you shared is what most people are anticipating though. And by no means justifies the shit show the game has been for the past couple months.
Its sad man, i used to love this game logged hundreds and hundreds of hours, i had faith there were better things coming down the pipeline, but i havent touched it in months now. don't even feel a craving really. AGS botched this project too many times. maybe they will turn it around, maybe I'll reinstall but honestly i don't really even care at this point 😮💨
That’s how I’ve felt the last month and last time I felt this way the instant I found a game that was a bit more fun I moved on
Loved my time in new world, but it's definitely taking a backseat to v rising and other games due to lack of content.
Have fun!
Y’all really have high expectations for this game 😂😂😂😂
If that’s high we’re fked
yes, i will say this game cant afford to have mmr, not big enough, would surely cement the game forever. also a gear score increase this soon would be a rlly bad move
You don’t think if they times it w console release it’d work? I am mostly pushing for it so ags has easy to access data on what the best opr players are using so they can make better informed decisions on balancing.
I just have a feeling if they try to do proper mmr they will mess something up, I would rather see a role Q at the MINIMUM with same amount of healers on each team but I don’t even think I have faith they could do that right.
@@mecr0w Unfortunately just listening to the last balance of power I don't think they have any concept of what player skill even means. "The good players way better than me can do well with musket" is essentially what the guy reading off the cards said. They make no observations about why that might be, or what balance tuning makes sense to tune weapons up or down in the hands of players with differing levels of skill. They just say "Firestaff should have the most DoTs, mobility, burst, and AoE" and ship a bow nerf with an FS buff after one of the devs says it's his favorite weapon and he liked the perk that is being buffed.
Then their rationale for applying a bleed stack with FnF (for it to immediately pop) is that people don't like the weapon perk for it on the forums...
These people are clueless and would probably rank bottom 10% in any game that isn't theirs. Imagine league of legends or val if it was balanced by literal bronze players with no coding ability and that is what it feels like to see AGS do balance changes.
@@ab3240 The best coach in overwatch peaked in diamond. There's some hope but I'm slowly losing it.
@@mecr0w Yea most coaches and support staff in actually competitive games (hint: NOT new world) are usually just top 5% or so, even though they coach top .01% players most of the time. I'm not saying you have to be amazing at the game to balance it or understand it at a super high level but Riot job applications literally ask for your account info lol. It is a part of the puzzle.
Honestly, I just want them to fix combat and eventually put this game on maintenance mode and see where the population stabilizes. Their combat is so good when it works and I think they can hold a small but dedicated PvE and PvP playerbase off of that alone, even with other titles coming out.
Just sucks that this game has been out for so long and still feels like it's in beta.
Who thought this waa a good idea? If the game was doing really well ya sure i can see pulling this joke once would be fine, but to pull it back to back while the game is in such a bad spot.
Tf do people want swimming for....so useless
I mean if they made an underwater resource it could be kinda cool I guess?
@mecr0w I guess, but unserwrer combat is slow. Gw2 tried but it's just so slow. The combat and resource gathering system in NW is great, I mean really great. Everything needs to be tied to these
People still play this game?
Not a ton
honestly that woman has to go, holy shit I think she has been the reason for so much bs in the studio
Katy has been there for a while but other woman is new. Definitely not off to a wonderful start though 😅
@@mecr0w i mean the game was quite fucked from the start and she was this overhype positive vibes character which now is even a bigger fu to the community since the game is giga fucked
2% of people get to participate in war (new worlds pvp endgame) partially because of gatekeeping war loggers. I am not going to lose any sleep that they are quitting. War logging is unhealthy for the game and war loggers contribute to the cycle of decline in players that are kept from participating in content.
Companies being allowed to own a max of 2 territories would be ideal. But pvp is a smaller part of the community so they care less about us!
I’d argue AGS encourages war logging by creating a system that doesn’t allow new players to easily participate in wars, but all that seems like it could be addressed by limiting territory to me…
If you are still playing this game, you have no self respect.
I honestly agree
I am playing opr and half of my projectiles are going to stratosphere so you are totally right
First and maybe last mmo I play
Maybe same
fact that they aren't interested in fixing the *less than 2% participating in the endgame* is enough proof that NW will never recover. Expect this game to get canned very soon (tbh it pretty much canned already. No content. No updates. Few servers left. It's already over). They are so lost its not even funny. Game will never retain players. It'll always circle the drain. War should be the top priority. Friends keep friends playing and War is the only piece of content that is actually GvG. Unless they added a GvG OPR mode or whatever. War needs updates. Badly.
It’s weird that there’s no real guild content… I guess the raid sort of is?
@@mecr0w Yeah, I'd agree that the Worm is. Too bad it hasn't been updated. An MMO without guild content is a dead one lol. And now they're adding a FFA PVP Zone... talk about whiffing the ball completely.
New content in NW acttually are the bugs. New updates, new bugs. I really like the game but i gave up. Sad but true =/
hear u all tft enyoyers now and i so sad new world combat is nicest there is idk how keep ruining the game i wish the remove all white tertory too just mad company own almost regreting not quiting when new paid expansion came out we gain edengrove but we lost fl so stupid to be honest im almost never in new area there nothing to gain there after u done artifacts too be honest burning myself out of game by getting 300 standings and ultmate trophy's it when all downhill after brimstone patch lol there where 4 oprs going all day during brimstone
what is this gameplay lol
Something called a “farm war” but I got 11 keg kills in one war lol
Respect for investing so much time into a shit game.
I mean I’ve been playing a lot of other games nowdays but it’s been a bit crazy