In my opinion it is kinda pointless to zoom in on the X-H2 the same way as on the H2s as it has the higher megapixel sensor. Of course it hase to be worse this way. What really matters is the comparison of images scaled to the same size. Because this is what you will notice (or won't at all) when looking at a real picture, either online or on a print. Would it be possible to upload your test photos so we can play with them ourselves? That would be really nice. Anyways, thank you for your nice comparison! Always great to watch a new video of yours. Cheers! 🙂
One should also consider that the 40mp X-H2, while slightly noisier, will have more detail to retain while removing noise thanks to the resolution. So in more reasonable ISO usage up to around 6400, the higher resolution should end up giving a net-gain in image detail even when applying noise reduction. This is why one shouldn't just blindly look at the amount of noise per pixel, but noise relative to detail retention.
I agree I am a Sony shooter wanting to try Fuji for convenience and the film simulations to have a better SOC experience less time editing. This does make sense and really just depends on the workflow you will want. And of course if you crop a lot and need the higher MP.
@@blueroomcolorado3165 If you have Sony fullframe now then the ISO performance will be worse if you move to Fuji, but it shouldn't matter in most cases anyway. If you want stylish options for SOOC images and don't mind a tiny bit of extra noise, you should definitely try it.
This is definitely the comparison that affects what I use my X cams for, which is concert photography. Noise in the shadows is always a thing I’m trying to alleviate and knowing the new X-T5 & X-H2S are going to help in that department is great.
Have a look at the DPreview tests first, or at the comments about it. Some of the readers here on this channel have also seen the issue of unequal magnification.
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you! I recently had a problem with may fujifilm xt4 files being lost (unreadable) I freaked out but after doing a bit of research I was able to retrieve nearly 6000 images. Your direction had a lot to do with that. I just wanted to show my appreciation. Thank you!
It would be more helpful for most people if you do the comparison for 1200, 1600, 2100, 3200 iso. People use more with those high iso instead of those super high ones that you use for comparison.
You barely have any noise at those ISOs though. You might as well just use them without checking first. Especially with ISO 2000 on the X-T4 where it has a second ISO stage that's much cleaner than ISO 1600, for example.
First time I heard the noise being better on the X-H2s than on the X-T4. Also seeing the difference in magnification, the difference to 40MPs seems quite small. But well, MP always sounds a lot more than pixel count :D Good to see that the X-H2 is handling noise better than the X-T4! I am curious though how the noise in the jpgs compare (with different in camera settings) and more importantly, how much lightroom corrects about it. Maybe a comparison to Capture One would be good!
Thanks for the comparison. Would be interesting to see the same setup but using ISO 6400. I think that might be the highest ISO setting most folks here are comfortable shooting at.....well, at least I am.
Thanks for doing this comparison. The question I am curious about: What happens if you downsample the X-H2 image to the same native size as the X-T4 (or X-H2S)? Is the noise more comparable then?
What happens to the noise of the X-H2 when you resample the 40MP image down to 26MP? That might make the X-H2 image look less noisy than the X-H2s image
Oh, I was actually wondering if there was any program that could denoise an image as amazingly as software-based photography like the one found in iPhones. I’ll look up into it, thx
Thanks for this comparison. I was worried that the 40MP sensor of my new X-H2 was going to be a concern over my old X-T4; now I'm convinced for what I do, I won't notice it much when I have to crank up ISO. Now I'm wondering how well a 150-600/5.6-8 zoom would work in lower light. X-H2 high ISO performance makes the X-T5 look like an even better X-T4 replacement.
A higher resolution image will mean the noise is smaller. While there overall is more noise - obviously, as there are more pixels - this also means noise reduction algorithms work better as its easier for them to tell noise apart from detail. In end, higher resolution usually is a good thing for noise performance in modern cameras.
Will there be a new video about the color difference between the cameras? I found the xt4 sharper and have better colors than the xh2s which I have switched to. I wonder if anyone else feels the same.
Not surprisingly the newer generation cameras would have improved relative noise performance. The 40Mp H2 will be more vulnerable to noise than lower resolution siblings, but one, I’d suggest, isn’t going to regularly select the H2 for low light/high iso work, its strengths are in other properties.
I absolutely love and enjoy your videos. they are so helpful. I do have one important suggestion. You speak very fast. Which is fine, but you tend to do video cuts whenever you finish a sentence. So I (we) can’t study the video on screen for more than the length of your very fast spoken sentence. So it makes it almost impossible to compare, for example, the noise in two side by side images. Because the frame is gone in a flash. So we miss the point you are trying to make by showing the comparison. So the suggestion: Either speak more slowly (not going to happen, I know). Or pause for a very long beat when showing side by side images or images with important detail. Or speak two or even three sentences while the important comparison image is on scree so we can identify and absorb the differences you are trying to get across. Thank you for considering this. Please keep up the excellent work.
Nice comparison, Chris. It'll be interesting to see what the new X-T5 handles his ISO with regards to noice since it is the same sensor and processor as the X-H2. I'm assuming it'll probably be the same, but you never know until someone inevitably will test it out. have a great weekend!
Any chance that you might make a video on how to choose a good camera tripod? Possibly include in the video your favorite tripod and what makes it your favorite, and how well it will work in cold temperatures (I live in Alaska with winter temperatures commonly down to a -30). I got a Bower VTSL1200 as part of a "Pro Accessory kit" when I purchased my X-T4. The VTSL1200 has a 3-way fluid pan-head (pans 360 degrees and tilts 90 degrees), but the head assembly is all plastic. So, while all the adjustments are present, they are what one might refer to as "jerky" because it is plastic moving against plastic. This fact, makes it extremely hard to "micro-position" the camera for that perfect shot. I believe that many of your viewers would benefit from a video on this subject, especially if they (like me) are novice photographers. Thank you for all the great photography videos.
Interesting comparison as usual from you. Two questios: - what about the noise in more "normal" high iso meaning, such as 1600/3200/6400? - what about the noise of XH2 at the same level of size image w.r.t. the other two (I mean not at same 100% zoom in but at same screen size of the images?)
now I wish they made an X-T5s with the stacked sensor and uncropped 6k video. I'll rather have the boost in low light performance than shooting soft 40MP images with my 18-55 lol
If possible, I would be very interested in seeing a comparison between the XT4 and XH2 with regards to the affect on image resolution of the new sensor with older and newer Fujifilm glass. I see it thrown around that the new sensor isn't very useful if you're using older XF lenses, but I have no idea if that's been proven.
So please you are getting the chance the check out the new cameras. Big shout out to B&H and FujiFilm for loaning you the gear. Grain size is the killer, but in truth how often would you go to those levels. Back in the days of film we embraced the grain. So from 25 miles north of London, Be lucky stay safe
Hi Chris! Another interesting video and full of knowledge! Thank You. Have been onto more kind of photojournalism projects where I have to be prepared for any situation. Low light settings, especially regarding the optimum sweet spot for the ISO setting, is an issue where I can find the solution on those videos where you address the ISO matter? Cheers Carlos
The less light the more noise independent of the ISO settings. So the more ISO the more the difference in noise between dark and "bright" areas. That the XH2S is better concerning noise is not surprising due the bigger pixels. Maybe it is the higher resolution of the XH2 relative to the X-T4 that mitigates some noise effects. But this effect seems to be much higher comparing the Nikons Z6 and Z7.
As a left eye shooter I would like to ask you it is comfortable to use the joystic on the X-H2(s)? Looks like it is too close to the center (EVF) and I am affraid I will hit my right eye constantly with a finger operating the AF selector. You so much for your imput.
I don't know if it is just me or what, but to my eyes, although the images at high ISO on the XH2S looks with less noise, the images look mushy compared to the XT4, specially in the shadows. I think that in some cases the ISO performance between the XT4 and XH2 looks similar, maybe a bit better in the XH2 in some cases.
This depends on the profiles his viewing/editing the previews? If you have it on Auto profile the software tends to pick a crap profile, but I always select Provia or Astia and these do a great job in cleaning up the shadows while retaining natural and neutral colours.
Interesting stats. I am pleasantly surprised that the X-H2 with it's 40mp sensor faired so well. I was concerned (because I have ordered the X-T5!!) that the denser pixels on the same size sensor would hinder the low light high ISO performance. It is a sign of the power of the new processor that it can beat the X-T4 even with all those extra, smaller pixels.
Dpreview has video on this topic, and according to their test higher resolution on the same sensor size will not increse noise levels, however at higher magnification (1:1 crops) noise will be (unsurprisingly) more apparent. If you however match magnification on both X-H2 and X-T4 (meaning downsample 7.7K to 6.2K) then the latter will have less noise, and because 40MP is much higher resolution compared to 26MP you can use even higher DNR levels without destroying fine details. I'm using topaz denoise AI and thanks to it even ISO 12800 photos will look clean. At 1:1 I can see some small artifacts from AI denoise, but if I will downsample this image to something like 5K, then picture is literally perfect. To make long story short, if you are willing to do some postprocessing work you can shoot at 12800 ISO on X-H2 and get perfectly usable photos.
@@PabloB888 Topaz DeNoise AI is an excellent program and cleans without loss of detail. It is the friend to have with higher ISO images - I use it all the time and I'm not too worried about noise with the new X-T5's 40mp sensor which is already on order!!
Thankyou for this review. As a potential buyer of a xt5 or xh2 or xh2s. I am interested in astro photography. Which camera would be better for astro at say 2000 to 3200 Iso? Would topaz software resolve any differences? Presently use a xt3
According to "photons to photos" DNs chart XT4 has less noise in the image compared to X-H2, so if someone base his opinion on this data it may seem like XT-4 is a winner here but that's really not the case. The thing is X-H2 has much higher resolution, so it's really not surprising that noise is more apparent on 1:1 crops (and especially if sensor size remains the same), BUT if you downscale X-H2 photos (7.7K) to match X-T4 resolution (6.2K) then X-H2 has less noisy picture, and because it's higher resolution photo you can apply higher levels of DNR without destroying details so quickly (so you will get even less noisy picture). I recommend topaz denoise AI software because this tool can denoise X-H2 12800 ISO photos with amazing results. At 1:1 crop it will be possible to see small artifacts from this AI denoise, but if you later on downample this photo "lower" resolutions like 5K then picture looks absolutely amazing and you would never guess it was high iso photo. To sum it up, on X-H2 you can take high ISO photos ans still get awesome picture quality, although personally I dont even use such high ISO, because I always bring lighting with me and I also use fast lenses, so my ISO remains low.
I've bought an ND-Filter a couple days ago, and during research I found out you don't have a Video about it (yet). Would be great if you made a Video about That :)
Fuji also having very sharp lenses and no AA filter means you get really great clarity and sharpness hitting the sensor which means you can go crazy with the noise reduction and softening of the image which overall stills results in sharp images. The sharper the image going its more forgiving with heavy edits. Especially noise reduction.
DPreview's lab test samples seem to show that an X-S20 has ISO performance similar performance to a Canon R6 Mark II.. a FULL FRAME sensor. Am I imagining things or do Fuji's really perform THAT WELL at high ISO?
Nice work, it would be interesting if you could make a comparison between this cameras in dynamic range with a real world scenario with high contrast, bright sky dark shadow, Same picture and how the result would look like. Thank you for your efforts 😇
Hi, Thank you for doing the test, but you are incorrect regarding the xt4 vs. the xh2. The xh2 looks to have more noise to me. It would be great for more comprehensive testing between these two cameras, But have a great weekend, and thank you again :)
For the color difference were you using auto white balance? Fuji made a point in marketing literature that they have a new AI driven algorithm to pick white balance vs the Xtrans 4 cameras. Maybe that was causing it?
Love the video. Great comparisons. So I do have a request only IF it fits into your time with the X-H2. I haven’t seen 1 video of someone showing a comparison on the base X-H2 40MP shot Vs the 160MP pixel shift shot. I’d love to see that. I’m also curious if using the pixel shift image in Lightroom with the super resolution boost option greatly improves resolution and by how much. I know it’s overkill, but my ADD has me curious and can’t find anything on RUclips to satisfy my curiosity.
Hi! I was wondering if you could give me an answer to the issue I'm having. I recently bought a Viltrox 13mm, f1.4. So, I went to download the 1.0.2 firmware listed on their site to make sure I had the latest version to bring my lens up to speed. My issue, I followed your instructions on how to do this but for whatever reason, once I dropped the downloaded file into the camera lens folder it took a few seconds for the files to be read and integrated into the lens folder by showing that symbol that runs clockwise. Once that was up, the computer gave me a message saying I improperly disconnected a device. I checked the file to see if the lens folder showed the new file downloaded onto the lens file and it shows it but I'm not sure why the message for improperly disconnected showed and when I turn on the xt5 with the back button being held to check if the lens shows the latest version on board it shows me 1.0.1. So I repeated the process couple of times and it all did the same thing. What am I doing wrong? I hope you can advise. Thanks!
why is there a magnification with the 40MP sensor? Should it not be an identical perspective between the two sensors, if theyr'e using the same lens and are from the subject the same distance? I am so confused here.
Thanks again for another helpful video Chris. I have to say that I'm disappointed that to have also found that the noise on the XH2 isn't much better than the XT4. I have discovered a problem with my XH2 and hope you can help. I've found many times now that the histogram is way off - it has constantly showed that my highlights are far from clipped, yet when reviewing my images in camera and also in Capture One, my highlights have been blown out, and substantially. I use the most neutral jpeg profile (Provia Neg Standard) and have never had this issue with my XT4. Would really appreciate if you could test this or have a possible answer.
I honestly wonder who would be shooting at so high of levels anyway I would chose the H2 and the XT5 just becoz I love Fuji colours since the XT2. Any other thing is everyone has a different shooting style and one has to know what they prefer. But Thanks Chris always entertaing. I would like to see more of those Flash lessons for so far they have changed how I shoot using a flash. Thanks
I see you use an X-T3 for your studio camera. Does it ever overheat? I tried to use my X-T4 for a Zoom call and it got too hot after about a half hour. Any tricks to avoid the overheating?
The most reliable method I've seen is to use a battery grip, and only put the batteries in the grip itself (no battery actually inside the camera). The batteries are what is causing most of the heat.
Thanks for the great video. It would be great if you, with the X-T5 / X-H2, could make a video about the ISO amplifier again. With the X-T3 you had proven with various test images that the ISO 800 with DR400 is better than with ISO640... Best regards
Thanks for doing this early comparison. But tome, the bigger 900 lb. Gorilla that should be investigated is how diffraction from the 40mp sensor will undermine its resolution gains. Itis quite a factor with Canon’s 33mp sensor. And it should be even more of a factor at even bigger aperture openings with the 40 pm sensor. It’s just straight forward physics.
Im not seeing it, there are some lighting differences in the areas picked out that might be throwing me, I would like to zoom in on the original images at some other places to be convinced Certainly normalised for size (which I feel is more realistic) I doubt there is anything in it.
I was hoping the H2s would have a lower pixel count, like around 12MP, to allow for bigger and better light gathering pixels so ISO noise wouldn't even factor into it and it'd be more video centric and with the H2 more stills centric.
With modern noise reduction algorithms it's actually a benefit to have more pixels (to an extend, of course). With more pixels these algorithms have an easier job telling noise apart from detail thus resulting in a cleaner image. I'd always shoot at 4K on my X-T3 as even when the client wanted 2K I'd have a much easier time do to post-processing and removing all the noise with Neat Video.
You know, the older sensors are made by Sony. Same with the new? Interesting arrangement these guys have. By the by, some folks shoot B&W on Fuji at 800 to get the "grain" look. I wonder if that looks better on the newer models.
I am yet to see an image quality advantage of the stacked sensor.. just fast stills. 4K 120 is noisy, fhd 240 is nosier. And yes I use high speed videos before anyone says that nobody uses it.
Nothing surprising here. I have yet to ever use extended ISO in my entire life (and I am almost into my 8th decade) so I can only shrug my shoulders on this one 😉
I noticed that more and more people are selling their gear in online classifieds in order to purchase some of the recent new products. As if an X-T4, for example, had become obsolete overnight. LOL. We all need to calm down a little bit. LOL
One reviewer is describing focusing problems on bother the xt5 and the xh2 (not on the xh2s). Are you aware of focus issues with these two cameras? Another reviewer said it is 95% as good as Sony or Cannon. What is your perspective on this?
Interesting comparison, but in the "real world " one would never crank the ISO up to such an extent and even if you did one would have to "live" with the image taken. So stuff like this is informative but the outcome is really meaningless as it's the overall image that one is capturing that counts and not the noise. By the way I am NOT a Fuji fan but just love your channel for your energy and enthusiasm for the brand
Hi guys, can anybody tell me why the viewfinder usually differ from what the image taken actually looks like? It'll be better if I can see what my settings would make the image look like before snapping a shot rather than having to go inside the gallery to view the image after I've taken the shot
So there are two layers here. First, make sure you understand what the two screen settings in this video do, and how you want to use them: ruclips.net/video/0ycqCgEdM2k/видео.html The settings are "Preview Exposure and White Balance" and "Natural Live View". By default it looks like Fujifilm cameras are trying to show you something close to the final JPEG's exposure, white balance and film simulation. You can turn “Preview Exposure and WB” off, and turn “Natural Live View” on, to make your viewfinder work a bit more like a transparent representation of what the lens is seeing, DSLR style. So if your viewfinder is showing you something very different from the images saved on your SD cards, maybe you changed some of those screen settings in the past to the more neutral-looking values? But even with those settings set to default values, default values which seem to try to imitate what you’ll get in your JPEG files (or in the JPEG preview embedded in the RAW file when shooting in RAW only), you'll probably get some visual differences. That's the second layer. I’m not an engineer working on cameras or even on video and graphics, but I do work in software, and my educated guess is that live previews in digital cameras probably takes a lot of shortcuts to be real-time, while producing a final image on disk is work that can be deferred and take more time, so you can do higher quality processing. To produce a full-size JPEG or an embedded JPEG preview, the camera's firmware is going to do a lot of work on the image data: - demosaicing - noise reduction - highlight recovery, shadow recovery - sharpening - film simulation - maybe some contrast stuff? - maybe reduction of chromatic aberrations? - maybe reduction of vignetting? (especially for Fujifilm's own lenses) All that is a fairly slow process. Not sure how long it takes on different Fujifilm cameras, but I don't expect it to take just a handful of milliseconds. But to show a live video on the electronic viewfinder at 100 frames per second, you only can dedicate 10 milliseconds to process the data into a digital image (a video frame). And probably less than 10 milliseconds, for a number of reasons, including: not overpowering the camera's processor (which also needs to do a lot of work on other stuff, such as the autofocus and processing and saving files in parallel of showing you a video in the EVF or in the back screen). So the camera's firmware probably can't do a JPEG-quality processing of each frame shown in the electronic viewfinder or on the back screen. Instead it probably does something much faster: - it has to do demosaicing, but probably with a much faster and much more crude algorithm that results in a lower resolution image, false colors, etc., all of which is perfectly okay because those issues will not be perceptible on the EVF or back screen's low resolution; - it probably skips a lot: noise reduction, highlight and shadow recovery, sharpening, contrast, chromatic aberration and vignetting correction; - it seems to do some film simulation (unless you turn on “Natural Live View”), but I wonder if that's the exact same algorithm as used when producing a JPEG, or if it's a faster and lower quality simulation.
Native ISO. Something that does not exsist at all only on this channel and nowhere else.What did we learn from this test, absoluetly nothing and one thing is that visual representation on the higher mpix sensor might deceive your vision thinking there is a less noise.
In my opinion it is kinda pointless to zoom in on the X-H2 the same way as on the H2s as it has the higher megapixel sensor. Of course it hase to be worse this way.
What really matters is the comparison of images scaled to the same size. Because this is what you will notice (or won't at all) when looking at a real picture, either online or on a print. Would it be possible to upload your test photos so we can play with them ourselves? That would be really nice.
Anyways, thank you for your nice comparison! Always great to watch a new video of yours. Cheers! 🙂
One should also consider that the 40mp X-H2, while slightly noisier, will have more detail to retain while removing noise thanks to the resolution. So in more reasonable ISO usage up to around 6400, the higher resolution should end up giving a net-gain in image detail even when applying noise reduction. This is why one shouldn't just blindly look at the amount of noise per pixel, but noise relative to detail retention.
An excellent point definitely something to consider!!
I agree I am a Sony shooter wanting to try Fuji for convenience and the film simulations to have a better SOC experience less time editing. This does make sense and really just depends on the workflow you will want. And of course if you crop a lot and need the higher MP.
@@blueroomcolorado3165 If you have Sony fullframe now then the ISO performance will be worse if you move to Fuji, but it shouldn't matter in most cases anyway. If you want stylish options for SOOC images and don't mind a tiny bit of extra noise, you should definitely try it.
This is definitely the comparison that affects what I use my X cams for, which is concert photography. Noise in the shadows is always a thing I’m trying to alleviate and knowing the new X-T5 & X-H2S are going to help in that department is great.
Have a look at the DPreview tests first, or at the comments about it. Some of the readers here on this channel have also seen the issue of unequal magnification.
Dxo pureraw and flash are your friends
I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you! I recently had a problem with may fujifilm xt4 files being lost (unreadable) I freaked out but after doing a bit of research I was able to retrieve nearly 6000 images. Your direction had a lot to do with that. I just wanted to show my appreciation.
Thank you!
Word of the fast friday "Noise-a-rama!" Great video as always! Have an awesome weekend!
I’ve been waiting to see how good the xh2 is with high iso. Thanks for posting.
It would be more helpful for most people if you do the comparison for 1200, 1600, 2100, 3200 iso. People use more with those high iso instead of those super high ones that you use for comparison.
indeed
Well, you wouldn't see much difference on those isos
Yeah those are real world iso and a video on that would be good.
You barely have any noise at those ISOs though. You might as well just use them without checking first.
Especially with ISO 2000 on the X-T4 where it has a second ISO stage that's much cleaner than ISO 1600, for example.
First time I heard the noise being better on the X-H2s than on the X-T4. Also seeing the difference in magnification, the difference to 40MPs seems quite small. But well, MP always sounds a lot more than pixel count :D Good to see that the X-H2 is handling noise better than the X-T4!
I am curious though how the noise in the jpgs compare (with different in camera settings) and more importantly, how much lightroom corrects about it. Maybe a comparison to Capture One would be good!
The X-H2S is a beast of a camera and I really think Fuji nailed it with the pricing. The speed of other brands flagships and Fuji colors.
Chris - Thanks for this. I pre ordered the X-T5 and was hoping the high iso noise would be better than the x-T4.
Thanks for the comparison. Would be interesting to see the same setup but using ISO 6400. I think that might be the highest ISO setting most folks here are comfortable shooting at.....well, at least I am.
Pal2tech is partly why I continue to stick with Fuji. Love your content!
Thanks for doing this comparison. The question I am curious about: What happens if you downsample the X-H2 image to the same native size as the X-T4 (or X-H2S)? Is the noise more comparable then?
What happens to the noise of the X-H2 when you resample the 40MP image down to 26MP? That might make the X-H2 image look less noisy than the X-H2s image
on attends avec impatience la comparaison globale entre le XT-4 et le XT-5 !!
Je suis impatience aussi
With programs like Topaz Denoise I find it doesn’t really matter anymore.
For the price that the Topaz tools come in at, they are such a steal especially for professional work.
Oh, I was actually wondering if there was any program that could denoise an image as amazingly as software-based photography like the one found in iPhones. I’ll look up into it, thx
@@antonielojeda5202 you will want to look at Topaz Denoise and DXO. Those are the two most recognized. Not saying there aren’t others.
@@PhotoBob Got it, thanks for the insight
If you not shooting astrophoto landscape photos..
Thanks for this comparison. I was worried that the 40MP sensor of my new X-H2 was going to be a concern over my old X-T4; now I'm convinced for what I do, I won't notice it much when I have to crank up ISO. Now I'm wondering how well a 150-600/5.6-8 zoom would work in lower light. X-H2 high ISO performance makes the X-T5 look like an even better X-T4 replacement.
A higher resolution image will mean the noise is smaller. While there overall is more noise - obviously, as there are more pixels - this also means noise reduction algorithms work better as its easier for them to tell noise apart from detail. In end, higher resolution usually is a good thing for noise performance in modern cameras.
You read my mind! Thx Pal2tech!
Will there be a new video about the color difference between the cameras? I found the xt4 sharper and have better colors than the xh2s which I have switched to. I wonder if anyone else feels the same.
Interesting. I'd like to see the difference at base iso, in low light scenes. I shoot at the blue hour, on a tripod, at F/8-f/11 at base iso.
a high iso dynamic range test would also be very helpful!
➡Thanks for the comparison!📸
Thank you. How about the low light video performances? Are they same?
Not surprisingly the newer generation cameras would have improved relative noise performance. The 40Mp H2 will be more vulnerable to noise than lower resolution siblings, but one, I’d suggest, isn’t going to regularly select the H2 for low light/high iso work, its strengths are in other properties.
I absolutely love and enjoy your videos. they are so helpful. I do have one important suggestion.
You speak very fast. Which is fine, but you tend to do video cuts whenever you finish a sentence. So I (we) can’t study the video on screen for more than the length of your very fast spoken sentence. So it makes it almost impossible to compare, for example, the noise in two side by side images. Because the frame is gone in a flash. So we miss the point you are trying to make by showing the comparison.
So the suggestion: Either speak more slowly (not going to happen, I know). Or pause for a very long beat when showing side by side images or images with important detail. Or speak two or even three sentences while the important comparison image is on scree so we can identify and absorb the differences you are trying to get across.
Thank you for considering this. Please keep up the excellent work.
it is possible to slow down the playback speed.
thanks for the good feedback Tom, i'll slow down my edits in the future! 👍
Nice comparison, Chris. It'll be interesting to see what the new X-T5 handles his ISO with regards to noice since it is the same sensor and processor as the X-H2. I'm assuming it'll probably be the same, but you never know until someone inevitably will test it out. have a great weekend!
Any chance that you might make a video on how to choose a good camera tripod? Possibly include in the video your favorite tripod and what makes it your favorite, and how well it will work in cold temperatures (I live in Alaska with winter temperatures commonly down to a -30).
I got a Bower VTSL1200 as part of a "Pro Accessory kit" when I purchased my X-T4. The VTSL1200 has a 3-way fluid pan-head (pans 360 degrees and tilts 90 degrees), but the head assembly is all plastic. So, while all the adjustments are present, they are what one might refer to as "jerky" because it is plastic moving against plastic. This fact, makes it extremely hard to "micro-position" the camera for that perfect shot.
I believe that many of your viewers would benefit from a video on this subject, especially if they (like me) are novice photographers. Thank you for all the great photography videos.
Can you compare high iso of the xt3 and xt5? Thx!
Thanks for your testing 😊
Thanks for the comparison. I wish if make another one to compare video continuous auto focus between the three cameras.👍
I know you come from a XT4, would you make the upgrade to the XT5? why? thanks, excellent videos
Interesting comparison as usual from you. Two questios:
- what about the noise in more "normal" high iso meaning, such as 1600/3200/6400?
- what about the noise of XH2 at the same level of size image w.r.t. the other two (I mean not at same 100% zoom in but at same screen size of the images?)
Nice comparison, thanks for sharing.
Hi there
Thanks for the video
Which camer do you think would have better low light video, XT4 or XT5? Thanks
now I wish they made an X-T5s with the stacked sensor and uncropped 6k video. I'll rather have the boost in low light performance than shooting soft 40MP images with my 18-55 lol
Great video and comparaison 🤙🏻
If possible, I would be very interested in seeing a comparison between the XT4 and XH2 with regards to the affect on image resolution of the new sensor with older and newer Fujifilm glass. I see it thrown around that the new sensor isn't very useful if you're using older XF lenses, but I have no idea if that's been proven.
So please you are getting the chance the check out the new cameras.
Big shout out to B&H and FujiFilm for loaning you the gear.
Grain size is the killer, but in truth how often would you go to those levels.
Back in the days of film we embraced the grain.
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Thanks Will!!!!! 👍
Great comparison. Thanks for it.
Hi Chris! Another interesting video and full of knowledge! Thank You. Have been onto more kind of photojournalism projects where I have to be prepared for any situation. Low light settings, especially regarding the optimum sweet spot for the ISO setting, is an issue where I can find the solution on those videos where you address the ISO matter? Cheers Carlos
The less light the more noise independent of the ISO settings. So the more ISO the more the difference in noise between dark and "bright" areas. That the XH2S is better concerning noise is not surprising due the bigger pixels. Maybe it is the higher resolution of the XH2 relative to the X-T4 that mitigates some noise effects. But this effect seems to be much higher comparing the Nikons Z6 and Z7.
Very interesting. thank you for this video.
As a left eye shooter I would like to ask you it is comfortable to use the joystic on the X-H2(s)? Looks like it is too close to the center (EVF) and I am affraid I will hit my right eye constantly with a finger operating the AF selector. You so much for your imput.
I don't know if it is just me or what, but to my eyes, although the images at high ISO on the XH2S looks with less noise, the images look mushy compared to the XT4, specially in the shadows. I think that in some cases the ISO performance between the XT4 and XH2 looks similar, maybe a bit better in the XH2 in some cases.
This depends on the profiles his viewing/editing the previews? If you have it on Auto profile the software tends to pick a crap profile, but I always select Provia or Astia and these do a great job in cleaning up the shadows while retaining natural and neutral colours.
Interesting stats. I am pleasantly surprised that the X-H2 with it's 40mp sensor faired so well. I was concerned (because I have ordered the X-T5!!) that the denser pixels on the same size sensor would hinder the low light high ISO performance. It is a sign of the power of the new processor that it can beat the X-T4 even with all those extra, smaller pixels.
Dpreview has video on this topic, and according to their test higher resolution on the same sensor size will not increse noise levels, however at higher magnification (1:1 crops) noise will be (unsurprisingly) more apparent. If you however match magnification on both X-H2 and X-T4 (meaning downsample 7.7K to 6.2K) then the latter will have less noise, and because 40MP is much higher resolution compared to 26MP you can use even higher DNR levels without destroying fine details. I'm using topaz denoise AI and thanks to it even ISO 12800 photos will look clean. At 1:1 I can see some small artifacts from AI denoise, but if I will downsample this image to something like 5K, then picture is literally perfect. To make long story short, if you are willing to do some postprocessing work you can shoot at 12800 ISO on X-H2 and get perfectly usable photos.
@@PabloB888 Topaz DeNoise AI is an excellent program and cleans without loss of detail. It is the friend to have with higher ISO images - I use it all the time and I'm not too worried about noise with the new X-T5's 40mp sensor which is already on order!!
Thankyou for this review.
As a potential buyer of a xt5 or xh2 or xh2s. I am interested in astro photography. Which camera would be better for astro at say 2000 to 3200 Iso?
Would topaz software resolve any differences?
Presently use a xt3
Chris. 📸I would like to know if your old FUJI X-T lenses work well on the new FUJI H2 cameras?
According to "photons to photos" DNs chart XT4 has less noise in the image compared to X-H2, so if someone base his opinion on this data it may seem like XT-4 is a winner here but that's really not the case. The thing is X-H2 has much higher resolution, so it's really not surprising that noise is more apparent on 1:1 crops (and especially if sensor size remains the same), BUT if you downscale X-H2 photos (7.7K) to match X-T4 resolution (6.2K) then X-H2 has less noisy picture, and because it's higher resolution photo you can apply higher levels of DNR without destroying details so quickly (so you will get even less noisy picture). I recommend topaz denoise AI software because this tool can denoise X-H2 12800 ISO photos with amazing results. At 1:1 crop it will be possible to see small artifacts from this AI denoise, but if you later on downample this photo "lower" resolutions like 5K then picture looks absolutely amazing and you would never guess it was high iso photo. To sum it up, on X-H2 you can take high ISO photos ans still get awesome picture quality, although personally I dont even use such high ISO, because I always bring lighting with me and I also use fast lenses, so my ISO remains low.
I've bought an ND-Filter a couple days ago, and during research I found out you don't have a Video about it (yet). Would be great if you made a Video about That :)
Fuji also having very sharp lenses and no AA filter means you get really great clarity and sharpness hitting the sensor which means you can go crazy with the noise reduction and softening of the image which overall stills results in sharp images. The sharper the image going its more forgiving with heavy edits. Especially noise reduction.
DPreview's lab test samples seem to show that an X-S20 has ISO performance similar performance to a Canon R6 Mark II.. a FULL FRAME sensor. Am I imagining things or do Fuji's really perform THAT WELL at high ISO?
Nice work, it would be interesting if you could make a comparison between this cameras in dynamic range with a real world scenario with high contrast, bright sky dark shadow, Same picture and how the result would look like. Thank you for your efforts 😇
Hi, Thank you for doing the test, but you are incorrect regarding the xt4 vs. the xh2. The xh2 looks to have more noise to me. It would be great for more comprehensive testing between these two cameras, But have a great weekend, and thank you again :)
For the color difference were you using auto white balance? Fuji made a point in marketing literature that they have a new AI driven algorithm to pick white balance vs the Xtrans 4 cameras. Maybe that was causing it?
Love the video. Great comparisons.
So I do have a request only IF it fits into your time with the X-H2. I haven’t seen 1 video of someone showing a comparison on the base X-H2 40MP shot Vs the 160MP pixel shift shot. I’d love to see that. I’m also curious if using the pixel shift image in Lightroom with the super resolution boost option greatly improves resolution and by how much. I know it’s overkill, but my ADD has me curious and can’t find anything on RUclips to satisfy my curiosity.
@@polygoncoco exactly. I’m just curious for the sake of curiosity. I would NEVER do such a thing, but might as well see the results anyway.
Good afternoon, do you think Fuji will soon release a new firmware for the xt-4 and improve its eye autofocus? Thank you very much.
The key for me is color noise. Fuji sensors seem to have almost no color noise. A little DXO Photolab and poof! Cleans up nice.
Hi! I was wondering if you could give me an answer to the issue I'm having. I recently bought a Viltrox 13mm, f1.4. So, I went to download the 1.0.2 firmware listed on their site to make sure I had the latest version to bring my lens up to speed. My issue, I followed your instructions on how to do this but for whatever reason, once I dropped the downloaded file into the camera lens folder it took a few seconds for the files to be read and integrated into the lens folder by showing that symbol that runs clockwise. Once that was up, the computer gave me a message saying I improperly disconnected a device. I checked the file to see if the lens folder showed the new file downloaded onto the lens file and it shows it but I'm not sure why the message for improperly disconnected showed and when I turn on the xt5 with the back button being held to check if the lens shows the latest version on board it shows me 1.0.1. So I repeated the process couple of times and it all did the same thing. What am I doing wrong? I hope you can advise. Thanks!
Did you have noise reduction set at +4, 0 or -4 ? Thanks
why is there a magnification with the 40MP sensor? Should it not be an identical perspective between the two sensors, if theyr'e using the same lens and are from the subject the same distance? I am so confused here.
Please Can you compare iso for xt4 and xt5? What is the difference between Fine and Normal jpeg?
Would love for you to review the xh2 in depth and compare it to the xh2s
Great job!
Forever XT3 🤗, i love XT3
Thanks again for another helpful video Chris. I have to say that I'm disappointed that to have also found that the noise on the XH2 isn't much better than the XT4. I have discovered a problem with my XH2 and hope you can help. I've found many times now that the histogram is way off - it has constantly showed that my highlights are far from clipped, yet when reviewing my images in camera and also in Capture One, my highlights have been blown out, and substantially. I use the most neutral jpeg profile (Provia Neg Standard) and have never had this issue with my XT4. Would really appreciate if you could test this or have a possible answer.
Can you test the video image quality between the xh2s vs xt4. Thanks.
I honestly wonder who would be shooting at so high of levels anyway I would chose the H2 and the XT5 just becoz I love Fuji colours since the XT2. Any other thing is everyone has a different shooting style and one has to know what they prefer. But Thanks Chris always entertaing. I would like to see more of those Flash lessons for so far they have changed how I shoot using a flash. Thanks
Can you please do a noise comparison between Sony a7iii and fuji xh2s
I see you use an X-T3 for your studio camera. Does it ever overheat? I tried to use my X-T4 for a Zoom call and it got too hot after about a half hour. Any tricks to avoid the overheating?
The most reliable method I've seen is to use a battery grip, and only put the batteries in the grip itself (no battery actually inside the camera). The batteries are what is causing most of the heat.
@@ianroe1076 Thnaks
Thanks for the great video. It would be great if you, with the X-T5 / X-H2, could make a video about the ISO amplifier again. With the X-T3 you had proven with various test images that the ISO 800 with DR400 is better than with ISO640... Best regards
how do they compare with capture one?
Almost buying the XH2 but my Capture One 21 cant support the new 40mp .RAF file. I have to wait for any updates before buying a new one.
How much is your setting Noise Reduction?
Thanks for doing this early comparison. But tome, the bigger 900 lb. Gorilla that should be investigated is how diffraction from the 40mp sensor will undermine its resolution gains. Itis quite a factor with Canon’s 33mp sensor. And it should be even more of a factor at even bigger aperture openings with the 40 pm sensor. It’s just straight forward physics.
What are you talking about?
I would have love some video comparaisons also, usually it’s more obvious on video ! :p
Thank you. Would be interested in something simliar on when focus might soften to unusable, when zoomimg in 100, 200, etc %’s. Between the cameras.
Do you know how to put iso 80 on the x-h2s?
Thanks!
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yes, when I shoot Fuji at ISO 25k - said no one ever…
Im not seeing it, there are some lighting differences in the areas picked out that might be throwing me, I would like to zoom in on the original images at some other places to be convinced Certainly normalised for size (which I feel is more realistic) I doubt there is anything in it.
I was hoping the H2s would have a lower pixel count, like around 12MP, to allow for bigger and better light gathering pixels so ISO noise wouldn't even factor into it and it'd be more video centric and with the H2 more stills centric.
With modern noise reduction algorithms it's actually a benefit to have more pixels (to an extend, of course). With more pixels these algorithms have an easier job telling noise apart from detail thus resulting in a cleaner image. I'd always shoot at 4K on my X-T3 as even when the client wanted 2K I'd have a much easier time do to post-processing and removing all the noise with Neat Video.
You know, the older sensors are made by Sony. Same with the new? Interesting arrangement these guys have. By the by, some folks shoot B&W on Fuji at 800 to get the "grain" look. I wonder if that looks better on the newer models.
To answer your question: Yeah, the new sensor is also made by Sony (which is why some were expecting a 90 mpx FF sensor in the a7R V).
Low noise high ISO, should be the same in XT-5 as xh-2 ?
Yes, it should be the same and I think it also will be the same
I would have preferred a 3200, 4000, etc iso comparison rather than the extremes where noise would be expected
I am yet to see an image quality advantage of the stacked sensor.. just fast stills. 4K 120 is noisy, fhd 240 is nosier. And yes I use high speed videos before anyone says that nobody uses it.
Thanks. Very useful info.
Why colors are so different from xt4 to xh2?
Nothing surprising here. I have yet to ever use extended ISO in my entire life (and I am almost into my 8th decade) so I can only shrug my shoulders on this one 😉
you forgot about test it in video mode ;)
When it comes to noise performance alone, both xt2 & xh1 would come out on top, maybe not by much but enough.
I noticed that more and more people are selling their gear in online classifieds in order to purchase some of the recent new products. As if an X-T4, for example, had become obsolete overnight. LOL. We all need to calm down a little bit. LOL
0:50 X-H5 ???
Yeah, it’s super high tech. Color tracking technology, 323 megapixels, shark eye auto detect, etc.
Coming next year 😊
One reviewer is describing focusing problems on bother the xt5 and the xh2 (not on the xh2s). Are you aware of focus issues with these two cameras? Another reviewer said it is 95% as good as Sony or Cannon. What is your perspective on this?
Interesting comparison, but in the "real world " one would never crank the ISO up to such an extent and even if you did one would have to "live" with the image taken. So stuff like this is informative but the outcome is really meaningless as it's the overall image that one is capturing that counts and not the noise. By the way I am NOT a Fuji fan but just love your channel for your energy and enthusiasm for the brand
XT5 VS XH2?
Hi guys, can anybody tell me why the viewfinder usually differ from what the image taken actually looks like? It'll be better if I can see what my settings would make the image look like before snapping a shot rather than having to go inside the gallery to view the image after I've taken the shot
So there are two layers here.
First, make sure you understand what the two screen settings in this video do, and how you want to use them:
ruclips.net/video/0ycqCgEdM2k/видео.html
The settings are "Preview Exposure and White Balance" and "Natural Live View".
By default it looks like Fujifilm cameras are trying to show you something close to the final JPEG's exposure, white balance and film simulation. You can turn “Preview Exposure and WB” off, and turn “Natural Live View” on, to make your viewfinder work a bit more like a transparent representation of what the lens is seeing, DSLR style.
So if your viewfinder is showing you something very different from the images saved on your SD cards, maybe you changed some of those screen settings in the past to the more neutral-looking values?
But even with those settings set to default values, default values which seem to try to imitate what you’ll get in your JPEG files (or in the JPEG preview embedded in the RAW file when shooting in RAW only), you'll probably get some visual differences. That's the second layer.
I’m not an engineer working on cameras or even on video and graphics, but I do work in software, and my educated guess is that live previews in digital cameras probably takes a lot of shortcuts to be real-time, while producing a final image on disk is work that can be deferred and take more time, so you can do higher quality processing.
To produce a full-size JPEG or an embedded JPEG preview, the camera's firmware is going to do a lot of work on the image data:
- demosaicing
- noise reduction
- highlight recovery, shadow recovery
- sharpening
- film simulation
- maybe some contrast stuff?
- maybe reduction of chromatic aberrations?
- maybe reduction of vignetting? (especially for Fujifilm's own lenses)
All that is a fairly slow process. Not sure how long it takes on different Fujifilm cameras, but I don't expect it to take just a handful of milliseconds.
But to show a live video on the electronic viewfinder at 100 frames per second, you only can dedicate 10 milliseconds to process the data into a digital image (a video frame). And probably less than 10 milliseconds, for a number of reasons, including: not overpowering the camera's processor (which also needs to do a lot of work on other stuff, such as the autofocus and processing and saving files in parallel of showing you a video in the EVF or in the back screen).
So the camera's firmware probably can't do a JPEG-quality processing of each frame shown in the electronic viewfinder or on the back screen. Instead it probably does something much faster:
- it has to do demosaicing, but probably with a much faster and much more crude algorithm that results in a lower resolution image, false colors, etc., all of which is perfectly okay because those issues will not be perceptible on the EVF or back screen's low resolution;
- it probably skips a lot: noise reduction, highlight and shadow recovery, sharpening, contrast, chromatic aberration and vignetting correction;
- it seems to do some film simulation (unless you turn on “Natural Live View”), but I wonder if that's the exact same algorithm as used when producing a JPEG, or if it's a faster and lower quality simulation.
meanwhile, my Nikon D3300 crying at ISO 400.
(I have an X-T4 coming in the mail though, thankfully)
Don't worry photographers are able to grow back those kidneys judging by the amount of camera gears they keep getting
Native ISO. Something that does not exsist at all only on this channel and nowhere else.What did we learn from this test, absoluetly nothing and one thing is that visual representation on the higher mpix sensor might deceive your vision thinking there is a less noise.
Something about a prize?