Thank you for the great informational video. I am stuck on the fence trying to decide which option. Your video provided necessary information that allows me to make a more informed decision. Thanks again.
Does the placement of the battery compartment on the dbal cause problems? If you place it right up on the front sight will you need to take the dbal off and re-zero to change your battery?
Question: Can you connect a Surefire Scout light to the DBAL A3 using the "Y" connector that comes with the A3 or does it only works with Steiner's proprietary flashlights? If this is possible, what are the advantages / disadvantages? Great review! Thanks.
Hey! I'm pretty sure it will not. Your options for that will be a surefire dual pressure switch, (which will be a little loose on your d-bal and will have to be modified slightly to work well) or the new dual pressure switch that TNVC is releasing because of the for mention issues with the surefire switch and the d-bal. thanks!
Thanks for insight. I purchased the DBAL-A3 for swat and was starting to have second thoughts. Its not as sleek and low profile as the other but until they come out with green laser to match DBAL-A3 that's what I will be running for swat & patrol.
I got the zenitco perst 4 green+ bc it was an 18 mw vis laser not too mention a boosted ir light. Kinda wanted the perst 3 though for the illuminator but the splash was rough
JC PEREZ PEQ-15 if you build a full on Mk18 clone. You can use either a Surefire + SR07-D-IT dual switch or an Insight m3x + Insight dual switch which the latter is most commonly found on Mk18 Mod 1’s.
How does the dbal a3 hold zero. I’ve heard they are pretty easy to lose their zero if they get bumped. Also is the ir Illuminator on the ATPIAL c bright enough to identify targets at 100 yards? Sorry for all the questions but I’m just trying to get into NV shooting for the first time and I want to get the best IR pointer/ Illuminator I can get!
You should probably get a PERST 3 or 4. LDI/Steiner mounts are hot garbage, so if you buy a DBAL I would recommend buying an aftermarket mount like one by ADM or LaRue.
I absolutely love my ATPIAL-C (PEQ 15), but it's one flaw. Is the IR illuminator. Is sucks straight ass. Being fixed, it's almost useless. It's power is terrible at 80% of the distances ive tried using it at. I've supplemented with a Surefire M600V. Never looked back. I don't even bother with the PEQs IR Illuminator. The Laser and IR laser are fantastic. Is it worth the 1300$. Nope. If I didn't need the lower ride height. I'd go for the DBAL. If the DBAL had a more centralized toggle button. It would win hands down.
I ordered the Dbal A3 as the atipal peq 15 was never a factor for reasons you pointed out in this video. I plan on also buying a mil spec pec 15 like you have in this video as well. It will not be easy getting the mil spec pec 15 hopefully I can find someone selling it on ebay.
This is an extremely old video to even be commenting on it, but that's not a PEQ 15. That's an ATPIAL C. The PEQ 15 is significantly more powerful and has a focusable illuminator.
They are that. I happened across this one by accident. You can't by them new so you have to find a used one from somebody that bought it new and wants to sell it.
The PEQs lasers are slaved bro. You sight in the visible laser and the IR laser follows. The second windage and elev adjustments on the left are for the illuminator. So you can center the flood with your laser.
I really wish there is a lower end quality laser, like 300-600 range. I really wanted a laser on my rifle, but I don't want things like TLR-2 or X400. Plus I don't have NVGs, so... I guess I'll just get one of the DBALs that has only lasers, that seems to be cheaper
If you don't have NV then why would you need a laser? Use the sights or optic on your gun. In the visible spectrum that's way faster and easier than trying to hunt down a laser. Having a laser is really only needed when shooting at night with NV.
sniperbob11 hey, I don't know too much about them but I would say your illuminator is going to be better but I would rather be able to activate it manually with a button on top instead of being limited to a switch.
@@blackbushidonot everybody is well versed when it comes to firearms. No need to be a dick, some people literally have no idea just like you had no idea when you first started looking into new things.
I like the features of the dbal more besides the laser color. But damn if the peq15 isn’t just sexy as fuck choices choices. I think peq sits better on the rifle as well.
You zero both of them with the black screw heads on both devices. The laser and ir are slaved so you zero your visible laser your ir will also be zeroed.
DBALs fail and burn out more and that's DUE to the green lasers. Somehow the hours of usage are less. Plus from my experience in using both...the PEQ15 has easier ergonomics and more powerful IR;s
And to add awesome video man thank you very much for posting this exactly what I needed to make my choice!!!!
So what did you end up going with?
Thank you for the great informational video. I am stuck on the fence trying to decide which option. Your video provided necessary information that allows me to make a more informed decision. Thanks again.
Man, that's awesome! Thanks for that.
Does the placement of the battery compartment on the dbal cause problems? If you place it right up on the front sight will you need to take the dbal off and re-zero to change your battery?
Have you had any problems with the DBAK mount?
Question: Can you connect a Surefire Scout light to the DBAL A3 using the "Y" connector that comes with the A3 or does it only works with Steiner's proprietary flashlights? If this is possible, what are the advantages / disadvantages? Great review! Thanks.
Hey! I'm pretty sure it will not. Your options for that will be a surefire dual pressure switch, (which will be a little loose on your d-bal and will have to be modified slightly to work well) or the new dual pressure switch that TNVC is releasing because of the for mention issues with the surefire switch and the d-bal. thanks!
Thanks for insight. I purchased the DBAL-A3 for swat and was starting to have second thoughts. Its not as sleek and low profile as the other but until they come out with green laser to match DBAL-A3 that's what I will be running for swat & patrol.
You had to buy your own gear for a swat team?
@@thegeth4293 yep, small team just starting out. And battling other officers, who hate swat, grievance after grievance.
@@patriotsmakeready.1066 would you prefer a dbal a3 over an atpial c if you had the choice?
@@thegeth4293 I'm equipped with dbal 3 on RRA SBR W SUREFIRE white/IR when running PV14 NV
@@patriotsmakeready.1066 but what ir device would you prefer if you had the choice?
I got the zenitco perst 4 green+ bc it was an 18 mw vis laser not too mention a boosted ir light. Kinda wanted the perst 3 though for the illuminator but the splash was rough
I ran the peq 15 in Afghanistan as an infantrymen, Solid piece of kit honesty
Sweet video man! You think you could make a video of showing the visible lasers at dusk/dark? Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Yes, I plan to do one soon with the visible and ir, but I can tell you now the visible green out performs the red hands down.
What light do you recommend to pair with this on a Daniel Defense MK 18 that you can pair with a dual pressure switch? Great video, and thanks.
JC PEREZ PEQ-15 if you build a full on Mk18 clone. You can use either a Surefire + SR07-D-IT dual switch or an Insight m3x + Insight dual switch which the latter is most commonly found on Mk18 Mod 1’s.
Where do you suggest buying these
Q: Does anyone have any videos, or pics showing the above units DISASSEMBLED ?
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chinese will copy it.
Is the visible laser and the IR laser married ?
How does the dbal a3 hold zero. I’ve heard they are pretty easy to lose their zero if they get bumped. Also is the ir Illuminator on the ATPIAL c bright enough to identify targets at 100 yards? Sorry for all the questions but I’m just trying to get into NV shooting for the first time and I want to get the best IR pointer/ Illuminator I can get!
You should probably get a PERST 3 or 4.
LDI/Steiner mounts are hot garbage, so if you buy a DBAL I would recommend buying an aftermarket mount like one by ADM or LaRue.
Do you know if the insight dual pressure switch work with the dbal? Thanks
Hector Garza I’m not sure. It comes with two pressure switches tho
SouthDeltaGearLab thanks
How much is a fair deal for the A3?
quick and precise review. love it over something like t rex arms or garand thumb
I absolutely love my ATPIAL-C (PEQ 15), but it's one flaw. Is the IR illuminator. Is sucks straight ass. Being fixed, it's almost useless. It's power is terrible at 80% of the distances ive tried using it at. I've supplemented with a Surefire M600V. Never looked back. I don't even bother with the PEQs IR Illuminator.
The Laser and IR laser are fantastic.
Is it worth the 1300$. Nope. If I didn't need the lower ride height. I'd go for the DBAL.
If the DBAL had a more centralized toggle button. It would win hands down.
Mikey6048 c
What range can the ir illuminator light up a target adequately ?
@@thegeth4293 depends on what wattage your peq is at
I ordered the Dbal A3 as the atipal peq 15 was never a factor for reasons you pointed out in this video. I plan on also buying a mil spec pec 15 like you have in this video as well. It will not be easy getting the mil spec pec 15 hopefully I can find someone selling it on ebay.
roy e I am looking to do the same now any clue as to how you can authenticate a real one?
This is an extremely old video to even be commenting on it, but that's not a PEQ 15. That's an ATPIAL C. The PEQ 15 is significantly more powerful and has a focusable illuminator.
how'd you get a full power peq15? I want one, but it seems really tough to get
They are that. I happened across this one by accident. You can't by them new so you have to find a used one from somebody that bought it new and wants to sell it.
You can find them on ebay pretty regularly
actually you can buy it new www.eotechinc.com/tactical-lights-lasers/atpial-anpeq-15-restricted-advanced-target-pointerilluminatoraiming-laser
Jozef Nagy They only sell them new to LEO or Mil because it uses a Class 3 laser.
yeah i read up on it and you even need to order one at the department level. Couldn't even just use your mil or leo ID to buy one.
How did you get the full power AN/PEQ-15?
Ebay or will'soptics
Will's sells full power openly? Or do they only sell to LEO?
Crashmaster Mike He sells to everybody
I'm liking this guy more and more by the minute.
How is Will able to sell full powered ones to civies? If I remember, it's not illegal to own them, but someone sets restrictions on them for civies?
You definitely have to sight in both lasers separately for the PEQ...hence the two windage and two elevation adjustments...
Timothy no shit
The PEQs lasers are slaved bro. You sight in the visible laser and the IR laser follows. The second windage and elev adjustments on the left are for the illuminator. So you can center the flood with your laser.
I really wish there is a lower end quality laser, like 300-600 range. I really wanted a laser on my rifle, but I don't want things like TLR-2 or X400. Plus I don't have NVGs, so... I guess I'll just get one of the DBALs that has only lasers, that seems to be cheaper
Look into the new Holosun IR lasers.
If you don't have NV then why would you need a laser? Use the sights or optic on your gun. In the visible spectrum that's way faster and easier than trying to hunt down a laser. Having a laser is really only needed when shooting at night with NV.
Please I want a way of zeroing in both devices
Full powered only
Any thoughts on the DBAL D2 vs the A3? You seem to know what you're talking about.
sniperbob11 hey, I don't know too much about them but I would say your illuminator is going to be better but I would rather be able to activate it manually with a button on top instead of being limited to a switch.
This is confusing. Is the PEQ 15 focusable or not?
Obergruppenfürher John Smith the civilian model is not focusable.
Hello. I have a question, will they (enemy) be able to trace the ir or day time laser back to me?? Thank you an thank you for your timely response
You can't be serious?
Apologize for asking and forgive my ignorance. Good luck and God bless
@@blackbushido to answer your question, yes.
@@blackbushidonot everybody is well versed when it comes to firearms. No need to be a dick, some people literally have no idea just like you had no idea when you first started looking into new things.
I like the features of the dbal more besides the laser color. But damn if the peq15 isn’t just sexy as fuck choices choices. I think peq sits better on the rifle as well.
can't go wrong with either devices
Please explain the way
You zero both of them with the black screw heads on both devices. The laser and ir are slaved so you zero your visible laser your ir will also be zeroed.
Are these for airsoft? Or can I use this on my ar 15?
luis romero I guess you can use them for airsoft but these are meant for real rifles
You can go blind on ir lights and fake nods. Be careful
DBALs fail and burn out more and that's DUE to the green lasers. Somehow the hours of usage are less. Plus from my experience in using both...the PEQ15 has easier ergonomics and more powerful IR;s
These are fucking expensive as hell.
Get one for free when you enlist.
@@TeensierPythonlol