Sandman Silencer Series Overview
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- If you're thinking about getting a Sandman silencer from Dead Air Silencers, be sure to check out this great overview video of the K/S/L models. Also feel free to reach out to us here or at info@deadairsilencers.com for more info.
I just bought two K's and 2 S's! Can't wait to finally get them in my hands 7 to 10 months from now!
Love my Sandman L. Super tough and works well on 5.56, 300BLK, and .308. Zero issues, it is built like a tank. Not the lightest on the market, but TOUGH and DURABLE.
I shot about 300rds of 243 Winchester 1500 rounds of 556 through my Sandman K before I decided to clean it via plastic media blasting. It had built up enough carbon between the front cap and baffle the inner recess was completely filled the baffle looked flat.
It cleaned up easily and still works like a charm, I really love this can, the durability of it's construction, and the user serviceability.
Rock On DA
The most informative suppressor videos on the market. Thanks, Man!
I tried yalls sandman K with e-brake on my first ever ar 15 and I couldn’t of been happier! So I bought one. Excellent suppressor from Dead Air.
How funny, just purchased my first can last week, sandman s FDE mil contract
Super excited, did alot of research and picked yall for the performance plus the no barrel restrictions
Papas is so cool. What a great guy!
well done ... simple explanation even an old guy can understand thnx
I can't wait for my form to come back so I can pick mine up from my local store. I've been wanting a suppressor for a long time. I'm getting one of your suppressors for my CZ Scorpion PCC.
That's going to be awesome, thanks for your support!
Awesome. Thanks for the insight!
I've been waiting for a Sandman S to get delivered to my local shop for months. I'll be used on a 12.5 and 16" 5.56.
Love my sandman!
Love my Sandman S, Nomad 30 and L my GhostM and HD mask!
Can’t wait for my stamp to come back to pick up my sandman k
Precision armament hypertap with keymo would be amazing
Have the L and S. Hopefully I’ll get the K soon.
My sandman S just came in after being in ATF jail for 8.5 months. August 9, 2022 is when I payed for it and April 21, 2023 is when it got approved. The brake looks like a nice addition. Especially for night vision shooting to keep that flash to a minimum.
The brake makes flash worse, I think you mean the three prong flash hider cap, which does help with flash. The brake is nice for reducing recoil (I got it for my Sandman-S) but it makes it louder again, really kind of a waste of money overall, I will never use it
I have an S and a K in NFA jail right now. Looking at 93 and 62 days and waiting. Can't come soon enough for me.
Side note, a Sandman with knurling like the Sierra-5 would be nice. Removing a hot suppressor is already a chore, may as well make it easier.
Will only buy deadair suppressors.
Love my sandman L and S.
I have a Sandman Ti and it is one tough suppressor. Will you bring out Ti versions of the S and L?
I just got my wolverine pbs1 back from warranty work. Diagnosis: multiple baffle strikes ,ebrake and end cap strike.
2 Quick question's .1 do you guys rethread the front end cap insert. 2 I have a small lump on the surface of the suppressor on the knurling section is that part of the re core and weld process cause screwed it up so bad?
I just purchased a sandman s. I have a winchester model 70 in .270 with a browing boss. JMac customs makes a 9/16 ×24 kemo adapter. Will this work on my rifle?
I bought a Sandman L over a year ago, finally got to bring it home in March (fuck you, ATF), and immediately realized I bought the wrong can, I should have bought the S or the K. Not saying I don't love it, just that I should have bought a shorter version. I also bought the wrong E Brake, wasn't paying attention and ordered one for a Nomad, it works, but it makes a funny shadow when I turn my weapon light on.
I see people these days using the wrong ebrake on purpose since it helps prevent a suppressor cover from sliding off. If you get a cover it becomes the better ebrake...
@@Ech0Sierra For now I only use it on semi autos, little worried a cover would end up scorching, or worse
I almost ordered an L too cuz I thought I wanted maximum suppression. Sometimes I think I’d still like it, but it is huge…at least be happy you have a very quiet can! I do love my S
Have a Sandman S currently on day 134 and counting for ATF approval of my E-form. Hopefully one day soon.
I'm on day 401 for my sandman s 🥲
This was not the E-form route fyi.
@@SolidSnake_1776 Gat damn, sorry that's bad even by paper standards. Yeah this is my 2nd suppressor purchase. First E-Form, so we'll see.
My e form is at 153 days for my 1st can. I got the sandman S fde. I have seen people 167 day for approval. 😡🖕😒
FCD birdcage keymo mount kicks ass
Hey what's the purpose of the R-Series Wipe Cap Assembly. I have a sandman S on order and I received the wipe assembly in the mail just now. Is it to remove the cap for cleaning? I'm dumb.
looking at your cans. by the looks of it the sandman will work for my .243, 6.5prc all the way up to my 300 win mag correct? will i need to change end caps per caliber?
So I just got a sandman k for my 556 16 inch rifle and my rifle went from 0 flash to 90% flash any way I can make it less flashy and not as loud
I just bought a Wolfman and a Mask. Next will be a Nomad Ti and then a Sandman S.
I think, ultimately, I’m a sandman K guy. But when do we get more podcast? That’s what I really want to know.
What are your thoughts on the Sierra 5 vs sandman S? I want the S for the caliber versatility but I will mostly use it on a 556 11.5” home defense rifle. Is the Sierra THAT much better for 556 or are they pretty close?
Side note: I can’t wait to get a dead air can someday! I’d been waiting years for one (had my gun built just for it all I need is the can now) and I was hoping to order the S 2 months ago. My wife and I just moved to florida and I landed my first good paying career level job. She made a deal with me that once I got this job I could order a sandman s. Well as god would have it we moved and our dog came down with lymphoma 2 weeks before we left Colorado. So my wife stayed home with the dog and I worked 2 jobs to support us so the doggo could have a all she needed during her last moments. It kinda wrecked my opportunity for the foreseeable next couple years now that we are saving for a house and hopefully a baby. But that’s ok, one day I’m so getting a dead air can and it will be worth all the waiting. Love your guy’s content! Keep it coming!
Personally I know that as soon as I get a 5.56 can I'll get a 300 BLKOUT, so I'm just consolidating with a single 30 cal can and using a 5.56 flash hider endcap.
Just get the S and order the flash hider 223 cap with it
Hi I have the sand S can I use the same muzzle break for each caliber ,5.56,7.62 & 308
Mike has nice cans.
How they work with pistols and pistol calibers like 9mm or just rifles?
I'm thinking of putting a Sandman L on a 10.5" 300BLK for maximum sound reduction. It will only see subsonic rounds.
Oh! and first
I’ve got an 11.5 and I have an L. It is a bit long, so I would say the S would be perfect. There’s not a huge decibel difference.
I've got an S on a 10.5 5.56 mk18 build, and it's silly how quiet that is. Go with the S to save the length and weight. It will be more than hearing safe with subs.
I’ve got a Sandman S.
I cast and powder coat subsonic rounds and have had good luck with that through this can.
But after watching this, I’m wondering if I should not be shooting cast powder coated bullets? They are not jacketed. But they seem to be clean shooting.
Thoughts?
I've shot about 200 of the same bullets with no issue so far. Then I watched this video. I'm asking the same question.
Can I use the Sandman k with SOL Nox 9 holes flash hider comp ????????
This is the 2nd gen Nox ..
What kind of old bolt action did Mike shoot with the L mounted? That was awesome!
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I just got my approval and I'm hoping to pick up my sandman s tomorrow. I'll be using it almost strictly for .30 cal between my .300 blackout pistol and ar 10 rifle my question is can I shoot a soft point lead tipped round thru it not that it would be common just wondering if I used a soft point for hunting if it would damage the supressor?
Soft point is fine…he’s talking about non-jacketed bullets
Anything wrong with using your muzzle brake with the K or S, (potentially with the flash hider front cap?) I'm trying to build a pin & weld 13.7 upper to Cali-compliant rules, with the idea of being able to use the same build with a can after moving to a free state, (Or if the stars align and the laws change.)
No problem with using dead air muzzle break on the k or s can. It’s my understanding that the muzzle break is actually less abusive to the can than the flash hider is. This is because the break acts as a sacrificial baffle while the flash hider actually imparts stronger concussion onto the can. I had the same question when I went with my flash hider, thinking the hider would be easier on the can than the break would. Turns out the hider is tougher than the break lol. But I have an 11.5” 556 and I imagine the break is ungodly as the flash hider is concussive enough by itself. Anywho if you order the can most it comes with a break in the package. I’ve seen some come with a hider but those seem to be more rare. Point being the break is good to go
Is there any specific reason the shim kits for the brakes and FHs are constructed the way they are? The small ones (likely an older design) fold over themselves if a barrel shoulder is too small and the big ones turn into razor blades (they stick up further than the flats used for torquing down). I had to use a shim kit from Precision Armament to get the job(s) done.
pro tip... once you got the right number of shims and time to torque/tighten i would wrap tape around them to keep them centered and together... you could enough do this for them on to the brake so they are lined up and centered on the break vs hangin low on one side and high on the other. Also it will avoid sharp edges and give a cleaner even look.
@@Shep01 So the shims that came with the DA can I got had a larger diameter than the barrel I was using. This left a little razor edge all the way around which was exacerbated on the sides with the wrench flats. Oddly, the shims I got with another DA brake I bought later were different. They were a slightly smaller diameter, so I didn't have the previous bloodletting issue rear its ugly head. Your trick definitely works for most applications. Thanks for the reply!
@@mstone6210 I do recall the shims being rather thin and sharp but I must have had enough to not experience the issue. I was however sad they weren't black to match the barrel and brak but ya. It would be expensive to parkerize etc so I get it.
@@Shep01 I think the only way to change the color in such a way that the thickness isn't changed would be to ion bond them, similar to Bravo Company bolts and Law Tactical folders
Sound suppression is nice, but my main concern is flash suppression. I noticed there is a flash hider end cap. I am still "window shopping" but the Sandman is sitting at my #1 pick, so far.
I only have experience with the Sandman S, but it’s fantastic.
@@williamwhite1982 I ordered my Sandman in September. I am still waiting to experience it.
@@strat1960s same. going to be a long 6 months.
@@strat1960s I was not disappointed with mine... it actually my favorite suppressor of all the ones I own so far... set all the guns up for its mount, no regrets years later. Well i regret not getting a K or L version too.
@@Shep01 I bit the bullet back in September for a Sandman S. I am still waiting for the tax stamp. LOL. I look forward to setting my rifles up for it. But who knows, Maybe I will just drop the money on a suppressor for each instead.
Overall length added on the sandman S and L? The K is 2.9inches. Curious, thanks! Going to be buying one here soon.
I’ve shot all three on multiple calibers and platforms…get the S. The K doesn’t suppress anything, the L is waaaaaay too long and heavy unless you want it for a bunch of heavy target only guns. The S suppresses remarkably well and is just right.
Pappas should do all the videos, he has the pizzazz!
What about cleaning of the internal components of the suppressor? How often and recommended methods?
You don't need to clean it. Shooting it is cleaning it.
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Hi, I was wondering if you could perhaps explain to me the primary differences between the sandman and the nomad series of cans
Full Stellite baffle stack in Sandman vs Stainless Steel in Nomad. Nomad is slightly lighter. Sandman is more durable due to the Stellite and a friggin tank of a can. Sandman is smaller in diameter than the Nomad, so you can find a few rails out there if you like that tucked in look.
Oh and the Nomad is slightly quieter. I think the durability and diameter outweigh the benefits of a few decibels, personally. To each their own. I have a Sandman S.
Don’t forget sandman mount is welded on so it is KEYMO only. Nomad has a thread in mount so you can change from direct thread mount, KEYMO, Xeno, etc..
I’ve got 6.8 SPC 16 inch heavy bison armory barrel-what’s your recommendation for me? I’ve never owned a can, but I’m really wanting to get one. How hard is the stamp-time involved to get it, and do you think it’s worth it for my 68?
Average stamp time is 8-12 months in jail. I work at a large suppressor dealer.
It's worth it on any rifle. Much less hearing damage, lower signature, reduced recoil.
I've had mine for 1 year and I do not shoot without it, ever.
So if I bought this and have a pinned and welded A2 flash hider, I’d have to remove it and possibly pin and weld the adapter?
Couple companies are making keymo a2 birdcage mounts including brownells that you have reinstall pin and weld onto your barrel
Will we see a Sandman v2 now that it’s been used for a few years? Such as upgrading baffles to new technology, lighter weight, pushing gas away from ejection port, etc
A Sandman with the knurling of the Sierra would be a welcome upgrade.
I put 3000 rounds of plated 22lr through a SandmanS, is this a concern?
Thx for the vid Mike. Is it possible to use a Sandman on a SF Warcomp? If not, it’d be cool if you’d make it happen.
Look at the sons of liberty gun works Nox9 if you are wanting a compensator/flash hider for your keymo mount.
SF's mount is proprietary and they don't sell threaded mounts, I'm not sure what sort of patent or trademark issues would exist if DA tried to copy it. Some shops like Ecco do convert Surefire training suppressors into threaded hub mounts so you can attach a Nomad, Sierra 5, or Primal onto a Warcomp. If I was in the same boat my first stop would be to look at the SOLGW NOX 9 or the Cobalt RCB-KM if I want something similarly performing to the Warcomp for the Sandman.
i have a 13.7 with a pinned and welded nox flash hider but my NOMAD doesn't fit with it. will the Sandman K fit? TIA.
The SOGLW Nox is Dead Air Keymo/Sandman series compatible, you can buy the Keymo adapter for the Nomad instead of buying a whole
Other suppressor also. It’s $250.00
Which muzzle device helps with less kickback and less gas- brake or flash suppressor or other option for the sandman?
Felt recoil (and I do a SHIT ton of testing with all kinds of rifles always trying to eke out the best performance) is close to the same with a dead air keymo brake as with the Sandman-S on the rifle. With the flash hider, you don’t get the brake effect, so when you put the Sandman-S on over the flash hider only then do you feel the brake effect of the suppressor. The dead air brake does not add to the brake effect at all when the suppressor is mounted. Neither one effects gas blowback any differently. you are going to get blow back the same no matter what.
@@dasboot9471 can you describe the “brake” effect? More or less recoil? Sorry haven’t shot much.
@@ajc4132 no worries, the brake effect is the reduction of recoil felt by the shooter, once you put the can on, there is no difference as far as I could tell between the two muzzle devices, only when the can is not being used is there a difference in felt recoil.
What muzzle devices are compatible with the Sandman K? Looking to purchase a few new ones
Any KeyMo or KeyMicro devices.
@@DeadAirSilencers orderd a key mirco and it didn’t end fitting through the keymo mount. Not too sure why, looks like it will fit perfectly but catches up. Think it may be too big?
This is the issue I am having in video form ruclips.net/video/LTOpDeBNKIA/видео.htmlsi=33yC_ifKJh5T47SE
Why no FDE for the K?
So did I understand to not use berry’s plated 220gr bullets in my 300 Blackout reloads ?
No you can use those. I've sent thousands of those through my Wolfman.
Just bought the Sierra 5, I have a Sandman K in NFA Jail right now and the S is already home. I’m using a 14.5 piston Sig 516. Between the Sandman K and the Sierra 5 which one is better?. Both will be fitted with an E BRAKE. Your thoughts and input is greatly appreciated. ( I also have two Wolverines)….. will contact you shortly reference the Asylum status….
If you plan on running that K on 5.56 you probably won’t be running it much if at all once you get the Sierra 5. Save the K for your longest .30 cal barrel that you’re trying to keep as short as possible. Probably the best use for it at this point.
@@stevensaldivar4286 I shot all three back to back. I thought the Sierra had the best flash reduction and sound overall but it was the gassiest indoors. The K was the flashiest with good noise reduction but the S was the best overall. I had ebrakes on all of them with a 5.56 endcap on the K. Can’t wait for the Sierra 5 and Sandman K to get out of NFA Jail. I’m unbiased because I own all of them but I also have a 10.5 and 16inch Sig 516. Lots more trial and error to come. I appreciate your input.
In my opinion the K is a waste…doesn’t suppress anything well at all. The S is the best all around suppressor I’ve ever tested
@@dasboot9471 I respectfully disagree, I have a K and an S. I have an Ebrake on both. The K is phenomenal on a 12-14.5 and above. It sounds like an S as long as you have an E brake. It’s one of my favorite cans. I also have 2 Wolverines and a Sierra 5. They are all out of NFA jail right now.
@@dasboot9471 it’s Rare that we see any replies before during and/or after cans are applied for and picked up. Let me state the following. I picked up my Sierra 5 and had the mount pinned and welded by cwgunwerks immediately. My 1st outdoor shooting session with the can happened 5/22/23. It was on a 10.5 piston Sig 516. The H2 braided wire Sig on the suppressed setting was not enjoyable. The H3 with the braided wire spring was incredible. Not gassy, reliable and just overall vindicating.
Does the Sandman S come with the proper end cap for 6.5 Creedmoor?
Nah it only comes with the 30 cal end cap and muzzle device
No but you can easily get the 6.5 cap from Dead Air
Sandman S on a bolt 300 win mag? Everything says it’s rated for it just don’t want to hurt it.
461 days later, still waiting on mine...
So no frangible ammo either?
So if I have a 7 inch barrel and a 10 inch hg the K will in theory make it just reach the end of the hg?
If the 7 is including the muzzle device.
No the K will stick out 2-3 inches, the S will stick out 4-5 inches, the L 6-7
I was thinking sandman k for my 12.5” that has the solgw nox flash hider on it
It will still be loud as hell and flashy, get the S
1 year into waiting on my sandman s.. when can we expect more Sierra 5 keymos??
They've been out for a few weeks already. I've already gotten to hold one and hear how it sounds at my local dealer. I'll be buying one of them next. Just got my Sandman-S FDE almost 2 weeks ago.
I know they’ve been out for awhile but SilencerShop has had them backordered ever since, so I’m just curious to know when they will be back in stock places. Congrats on your sandman. What was your total wait time??
@@Marsburnsred ah, gotcha. My LGS has them in stock in TN, so I wasn't aware that SS was backorder. I got lucky and on my eform4 I waited a total of 88 days for approval, and picked my can up on the 89th day. So right at the 90 estimated wait time. I've heard of people getting theirs back in less than 60 days, or waiting 5 months or more though, so it's all over the place.
I died when he was like uff a lot more 😏😏😏🤣🤣🤣
What ar are you guys using in this video? And what barrel length?
There’s more than one, which is the one your using in the shop/ workspace for demo
That is a Radian Model 1. Pretty sure that one is a 14.5" barrel.
Probably gonna get an S soon. The damn wait times are just still insane. Even eforms are like 5 to 6 months. Absolutely insane. Nobody wants to put $1k down for it to sit around for that long.
The time spent waiting for a tax stamp is the same time as not having an application started. But after the excruciating wait, you will have something to show for your patience. 😎
@@juncho1977 The NFA shouldn't exist
@@PandemicGameplay I agree!
Is the keymicro adapter compatible with sandman series ?
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Yes. However, it doesn't take as many rotations to ratchet on. I run a Sandman L on two rifles with Key Micro Brakes, and one with a Keymo Brake.
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Really like the way the L looks. Think it would look SO badass on my 6.5 Grendel AR-15 platform. Anybody want to fill me in why the L wouldn’t work on an AR-15?
The L can work on an AR-15, but it is not the most ideal or optimized set up for back pressure.
@@DeadAirSilencers that is very unfortunate.
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I’ve purchased S series for my 22-250 bolt action. My question is, is there anything that can be done because my rifle is still loud with the suppressor on? Thanks for the help/advice’s
E brake and endcap.
@@williamcancilla4615 E-brake will make it louder at the shooters ear, he is saying it’s still loud because he doesn’t realize that supersonic bullets out of the barrel are going
To crack very loudly.
That is a very high speed supersonic crack you are hearing
Out of the end of your broomstick..suppressors cannot make that crack any quieter because it is literally the bullet moving through the air outside of the weapon. Although I will say a longer or larger suppressor with more volume will continue to reduce the boom as well.
They suck. Save your money and just get a blast can. Works ok on .22 but anything larger is a joke. You can use subsonic ammo but if I wanted a pellet rifle , I'd have bought one. In my opinion, it's an overpriced blast can.