Super 35 vs Full Frame // Large Format Explained
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- On the heels of the latest batch of Large Format and Full-Frame Cinema Cameras to hit the market, our very own Josh Burrows lays out what you need to know about your switch from Super 35 to Full Frame cinematograpy.
In the video, he covers: Sensor Size, Lens Coverage, Angle of View vs. Focal Length, with some comparison shots that reflect how to control for depth of field and angle of view between one sensor and another.
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At 8:07... Wouldn’t you have to close down the aperture of the 35mm on FF to match the DOF of the 24mm on S35?
Ooof. You are 1000% right. We had it all written out and everything too and we still messed it up. We'll address with Kenny and sticky a comment or fix video if possible. Thanks catching that!
@@StrayAngelFilmsInc can I use full frame lens on super 35 such as blackmagic Usra 4:6k?
@@aliquran7535 Sure! Full frame lenses will cover S35 sensors but not the other way around.
AH HAH! That is it in a nutshell then. I have 28 vintage film lenses here for my Sony A7Rii with Super 35 or Full Frame. I wasn't sure where to start testing.
This is clearly a THINK PIECE (like a 1960s bob dylan songs) where if you think you understood it, you missed it... and need to go back and watch it again.
This is harder for me to follow without diagrams, but the example helped a bit.
visual Learner here.... im so lost!! reminds of Accounting class
Yeah or my EE classes. It is like Venn Diagram stuff (like philosophy or Marx Brothers contract law eg the party of the part stuff), but it just takes more than one trip through the video and it gets sharper.
Really good video. Thanks for taking the time to put it up for me and everyone else. It's always nice to find videos and information that help us solve problems.
Ditto!
Thank you...super helpful. One of the best explanations on full-frame shooting.
Thanks for the informative video Josh!
Glad to hear this all covered comprehensively - there's a lot of misinformation on this topic out there and this video cuts through a lot of that
This is brilliant, extremely helpful.
watched the whole thing, what a beautiful explanation! thanks for the video
thank you for putting this together with test footage
Thanks for the time and all the explanation🙌
Now i want to film in a larger format camera🥲
Great video, Thank you.
Learned a lot thank you!
Fantastic explanation.
this is fantastic thank you
Nice video!
Good presentation.
Which cameras and lenses did you use for the tests?
Just learned about this topic over the past few days. I'm surprised to find that (from what I can tell) Nikon and even Canon don't make many if any Super 35mm (which is cropped compared with full frame for anyone learning) consumer grade cameras for cinematic use. So I've got to look more into Sony-type crop sensor cameras since they're cheaper for the ssme purpose.
Thanks for the video!
One question though - Doesn't a f/2.8 give you a more shallow DoF than a f/4?
I thought to get the same DoF on a 35mm than that of a 24mm you would have to have it on something like a f/5.6... I'm confused.
Yes! Good catch. We even wrote it down and I still said it wrong. See Blaine's comment below that I just pinned. Good job paying attention:)
@@StrayAngelFilmsInc thanks for clarifying! :) Great video btw, really informative.
Depth of Field distance across these formats and their differences would have been helpful too, or maybe another video?!
In cinema we do not sure F stops, we use T stops.
Great breakdown, and just something I want to make sure I properly understand: the shallower depth of field you get from large format is due to using longer focal length lens in order to get an equivalent angle of view on a smaller sensor? There is nothing inherent about a large format frame that causes shallower depth of field? Also don't larger sensors generally handle low light better?
The DoF is the area that's in focus, not "how blurry the backround is", so yes it's due to using longer lenses to match angle of view (basically).
In other words, if you're used to shooting a 35mm lens on a S35 sensor, you'll need around a 50mm lens to get the same frame (if you were to shoot from the same spot). But, since you're on the longer lens, at the same f-stop the background is going to be blurrier. If you just shoot about one stop down, the background will basically look the same and you won't be able to tell the difference. That's an artistic choice, though, not something that Full Frame exclusively gives you in the same way the opposite isn't a "feature" of S35.
And yes a larger sensor does tend do better in low light. Also gives you more physical photosites which makes for a cleaner image. Generally.
So which is better for professional video shoot like music videos short movies or documentaries ?
Now, this totally subjective but I'd say there really isn't better or worse, just different tools. For example, if you want to stay with wider shots and shallower DOF, FF would be better all things being the same. If you want to have tighter shots and deeper DOF, then S35 might be better. Lots of other trade offs to think about, one big thing I'd think about is the fact that there's a much wider variety of lenses that cover S35 sensors.
@@StrayAngelFilmsInc Thank you so much sir ....now its clear to me .
@@StrayAngelFilmsIncThank you so much sir now its clear to me.
Great content. However I feel I got snowblind
Also, a 35mm has shorter DoF than a 28mm. To match you need to close down the iris.
What’s the crop factor of the super 35 (vs full frame) ?
About 1.6 (Varies a little camera to camera)
What’s the cheapest cine lens I can get for a super 35 camera
Hey some vintage lenses
What’s better for L series 24-70 mkiI?
Depends a little on what you need. S35 will give you tighter framing throughout the zoom range and deeper DOF relative to the angle of view. Hope that helps!
so basically the same as APS-C vs Full Frame for camera right?
Pretty close. In fact, if you've used the A7S II a lot you've likely pretty familiar with how this stuff works in practice.
@@StrayAngelFilmsInc Actually I don't understand that S35 is a lens or a inbuilt camera module
Please tell me that.......?
@@uditraita4541 The A7S II allows you to switch between APS-C and Full Frame (S35 and LF) so a lot of people that own that camera will switch between those modes depending on which lenses they are using.
I have a doubt. Birdman, For example was shot with a 18mm lens(zeiss master prime), but the camera was a Alexa M who has a super 35 sensor, so with the crop factor(1.5) it was shoting in 27mm?
So that lens is an 18mm and will always be an 18mm no matter what size sensor you put it on. It's just the angle of view that might change. So if you put that 18mm on a bigger sensor, you'll see more of the image and have a wider angle of view. That will look like a wider lens, like a 27mm or whatever but it'll still be an 18mm, just with a bigger image. Make sense?
@@joshburrowsinc Yes understand thanks, i use a FF so for example if i want the emulate the 18mm angle of view in that movie, i need to use a 27mm in my full frame camera, correct?, or for example all the movies who was filmed with 50mm lens in super 35 cameras, if i want to emulate that look i need to use a 75mm in my full frame?
@@eltripproducciones That's exactly right:)
Who else notices the magenta when the ND went in?
I just dont see why you would want to buy something with less (super 35) over FF... that doesnt make sense to me
What about Medium Format?
Good question! Part of what confuses people is that still photography terms and cinematography terms can mean different things. Large format in film making is pretty much anything bigger than Super 35 (Alexa, Canon C300, etc.) Usually it corresponds to about a full frame sized sensor in still photography.
Meanwhile, large format in still photography is way bigger, it's any imaging area (usually film) bigger than 4x5 inches. Then, smaller than that but bigger than full frame, is medium format.
Hope that makes sense!
sorry, after lang time use, the SONY fx9 , is not a bad camera, after all not at all :) Ican give you this advice. If your into broadcast, filmeing , maybe nature, with lot of daylight, the FX9 is shaper, and more clear than the CANON. its got higher resolution too, actually the c300, adn c70, hav only a 8.2 Mp sensor, and is soft ! I ordered the SONY FX6 , actually :) the fx9 har not the best latitude, som in film, dont underexpose, but still, in total, you can do a lot ! actually in post with the codec, and 10 bit, really. I grade quite heavy, in D. Resolve . And, I like the lense 28-134, that much, I will shot my next movie with it. If your going Cine Zoom, with the Canon ! you get broke, easily! :) but, good luck. They fixed a lot of the fimrware issues on teh fx9, so its not bad at all !
If you don't mind me asking ....Now that you have had both, (fx9 and C300 mk iii) what did you like more about the fx9 , and what do you like more about the C300 mk iii ?
Great video, but newbies won't understand anything, diagrams would be helpful
On se demande pourquoi certains ont pris la peine d'inventer le cinéma... Sur un sujet qui appelait des images, on a, ici, un monsieur qui s'agite en utilisant à pleine vitesse des mots abstraits. Bye !
You can't do this justice without diagrams but nice try.
Actually I don't understand that S35 is a lens or a inbuilt camera module
Please tell me that.......?
@@uditraita4541 in camera, some cameras are full frame, some are super 35mm like the blackmagic 6k
@@uditraita4541 S35 is the size of the sensor / film stock. It is the standard for motion picture cinematography. In cinema S35 or motion picture 35mm is "full frame". What photographers and a lot of camera manufacturers refer to as "full frame" is VistaVision in motion picture terms.
A lens designed for S35 will have an image circle that will cover (cleanly) the S35 sensor.
A lens designed for FF / 135 / LF will have a larger image circle, designed to cover the larger format sensor.
A S35 lens will vignette on a FF / 135 sensor.
A FF / 135 lens will cover a S35 sensor.
@@flyingfox2005 thank you sir
You didnt make a script? And talk the things without blabla
I got to about 7 minutes and fainted. haha. I'm hiring this nerd if I get a picture going just to crunch the numbers. Hes like Jonah Hill in Moneyball if I'm Brad Pitt in cinematography. I know some stuff about lenses and am a decent photographer ( I'm not technically a pro but I've been in the art for like 20 years of video cams) like you know natural experimentation in optics and I have some education in glass... Been doing some SLR stuff since the first Redrock M2 before DSLR and such came in to saturate everyone as a filmmaker.. mostly how to operate a digital camera and stay away from the cringe zones of digital cinema.. trying cool things... Math? Nope. I am so sick of video honestly... its so common... I see it all of the time... but I'm glad there's still some seriously technical DP's out there trying to help in attaining knowledge for higher standards.... Now that the Iphone 12 is here people will be convinced ( who don't have eyes) that big glass is a dinosaur. Ugh . Anyway thanks for the brain strain
Boring, pointless, first 5minutes almost useless
you're boring and pointless