What is Reformed Theology? | Theocast
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2023
- We often get the questions, “What does it mean to be Reformed?” and “What is Reformed theology? In today’s episode, Jon and Justin answer these questions by discussing five historical tenets of Reformed theology: covenant theology, Calvinism, confessionalism, ordinary means of grace, and the law/gospel distinction. (The guys sneak in one additional matter of doctrine at the end, as well.)
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Excellent words on the Law/Gospel Distinction.
The Gospel is never, ever, ever imperative; it is only ever indicative.
I honestly don't even know what you are talking about today, i only know Jesus, and i believe you are fellow brethren in the body.. you are free to believe what you believe the Holy Spirit has taught you.. if either of our doctrines is wrong, i believe the Holy Spirit will teach us guiding us into all truth.. meanwhile i enjoy your teachings and am edified especially where you expound on things we are both at common ground, God bless.
Would love to hear your interaction with reformed presbyterian churches
Good refresher.
Great. Good info. Helpful. Love
They summarize Reformed Theology into 5 points. Times for all five below:
#1 - Covenant Theology
Content really starts at - 7:33
🎉11:22 🎉
By God's grace, I grew up in churches that taught all of Scripture is about Christ (Luke 24:27) and it surprises me that some churches don't believe that.
#2 - Calvinism - 12:15
#3 - Confessionalism - 19:13
#4 - The Ordinary Means of Grace - 28:16
#5 - Distinction between the Law and Gospel - 38:02
Appreciate you 🤝🙏
Does Reformed Theology have a position on Eschatology ?
Jon and or Justin, How do you feel about R. C. Sproul's definition of Reformed Theology?
Jon - At 31:07 you used the word "levity" to express why you like the word "sacrament." I'm sure it was just a slip; you meant the exact opposite of levity ("lack of seriousness, lightness of mind"). I think you meant the word sacrament elevates the concept, gives it a HEAVIER tone, not a lighter one.
I just discovered you guys and very much appreciate your clear teaching. Thank you.
It hurt to hear the words that my Bible Reading and prayer and devotions at home are not a means of grace to sustain and nourish my faith. My church denomination is the URCNA; the past 2+ years due to ill health I can no longer attend Corporate Worship on Lord’s Day. Quarterly my Pastor and Elder bring Lord’s Supper to me at my home. I am blessed to be able to watch the Worship Service online. I dearly miss being there in person. Please realize there are many homebound Christians. 45:39
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My grandparents faithfully attended church all their lives until they were very old and became homebound. They lived too far from their church for anyone to give them a ride, so their pastor would come once a month and give them communion.
I think they are talking about “ordinary.” The norm is for people to gather weekly. My grandparents would have loved to be in church, but were prevented by their circumstances. So accommodations were made. Nothing wrong with that.
Reformed theology is God centered, NOT MAN CENTERED 😊,
SALVATION IS OF THE LORD!
JONAH 2:9.❤
Where are you guys on NCT by the likes of John Reisinger and Blake White?
✅ informative
Reformed gang, let’s go!
Yes, the original church had limited physical texts. Corporate teaching would have been the only way at that time. Today it is not the case, as you said. Scripture says the word of God is profitable. It doesn't say it's only profitable if corporately taught by an elder.
I have to wonder who your target audience is. You start out saying that the listener may have questions about his/her salvation, indicating this is for the younger believer. But the discussion seems to actually target those who are schooled in theology to a some degree. So the discussion is likely to go over the heads of the majority of Christians. This seems like a discussion between pastors of differing perspectives within the Calvinistic and Reformed persuasions.
Reformed theology is the best .
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Didn’t read one sentence of your response
Way to go, champs. So few teach Law/Gospel distinction. You guys are like 2 crazy lighthouse keepers guarding Sola Fide on edge of what is now the desolation of Western Civilization. 😂
Wait, when listening to this podcast, I realized I might agree with (both) of you. You equate WATER baptism and union in Christ? Or, "water baptism points to your already being saved"? You guys went so fast in what you said, you weren't specific enough.
Water baptism is the outward representation of our union or baptism into Christ. Think of circumcision and the Abrahamic covenant. Circumcision was not what gained the promises because the promises already existed, but circumcision was so closely associated with the covenant it is literally called the covenant of circumcision. Though water baptism is not what literally saves you, it is so closely associated with the new covenant which is our immersion into Christ that the two are referred to synonymously. In that way, when we receive the sacrament of baptism it is a means of grace. I really like how Dr. Gavin Ortlund puts it. Think of the coronation of a king. Though a king may already be a king, the coronation is the formal recognition of his kingship. Though you are already be saved before, baptism is a formal recognition and an expression of faith of the salvation that has already occurred. God bless.
It FIRST came from SOLA SCRIPTURA.
1 Corinthians 4:6; 2 Timothy 3:16-17;
Proverbs 30:5-6. You lightly touched upon that but not nearly enough.
In plain, clear and concise language - does Calvinism hold to the belief that God chooses some people to be saved and doesn't choose others to be saved?
In a sense yes, but you have to be open to the mindset/ heart behind it. This understanding should never lead to someone feeling as though they are better than others. It should lead to a woe is me and how great is God for His grace and mercy. God doesn’t choose some people over others because they have a better personality or they haven’t went through trauma in life or whatever else. We probably won’t know on this side of Heaven why one person is chosen and not the other, but that’s not the point. It all leads back to Gods glory. We can’t say oh I was saved because I did this and that. That glory so clearly belongs to God. In the same way, we cannot say that the Great Commission is not so much commission as it is a suggestion because WE do not know who are Gods elect. There are signs once they are grafted in, but our job is to share the Gospel because the Lord uses that to draw us to Himself.
yes! run from calvinism! it teaches that God loves some and hates others, even before they were born. calvinists can never even know if theyre saved, because they cannot know on what basis God chooses. there are only 3 options, either he chooses because you trusted him, or he chooses based on works, or he draws names from a hat. which one does scripture teach? the reformed person will say that God regenerates you first, and then he GIVES u faith. so if thats true, they still cant say why God chose them, thus they can never know if they are chosen. God has a reason for everything he does. so when he saves someone, theres a reason, if u dont know that reason, you dont know ur saved. they teach that Christ did not die for everyone, but only the "chosen" ones. scripture clearly teaches that Christ dies for ALL (1 john 2:2, hebrews 2:9)
@@caman171all without distinction, not exception. Please study unconditional election and limited atonement just a wee little bit before making uneducated and fallacious statements about what Calvinist/Reformed theologians and believers hold to. In short, we are all deserving of hell and punishment of God’s wrath before his intervention into our doomed life because we had chosen to embrace sin and reject God’s plan and just like when you adopt a child, you CHOOSE to adopt, your not required to adopt. God chose to adopt us, not based on our good works or wonderful personalities, but because he so loved us. We are DEAD, in our trespasses and sins. The only thing a dead man can do is stink. And because of our depravity we would never, ever choose God on our own. He has to intervene through the work of the Holy Spirit to generate our dead souls and put a desire to follow him in our heart. Even our faith comes from him. Otherwise the work on the cross would have been in vain. His death would have only been for the possibility of some coming to a faith in him. He couldn’t leave it to chance. He guaranteed that some would come to a saving faith in him. He has chosen to leave some to their deprave doomed lives. Why he chose some we won’t know until we get to heaven. But we can surely know we are saved, unlike your pessimistic view, because we have the Holly spirit in us working in and through us producing fruit and a desire for good works to honor him, the greatest of which is love. I sure hope and pray that helps a little to clear up your misconceptions of Calvinism and Reformed Theology.
God bless
Calvinism at the core, (you have to dig deep and read up on St. Augustine of Hippo) places all the "blame" for our evil, wicked natures on God, it also places all the blame and responsibility for Satan and the fallen angels on God as well. True Calvinism states that God created evil, He directs everyone's lives, steps and decisions, and in that He punishes them for the things He designed them to do. True Calvinists can't accept that God is 100% Sovereign BUT chooses to allow us to makes bad choices, and allows the angels to make decisions.
God choosing people for salvation or damnation is garbage, the Bible makes it clear that choosing to believe the gospel is man's responsibility and God doesn't make that choice to for you. If someone ends up in hell it's their fault for not trusting in Christ, not God's fault, Jesus died for all man kind. Totally depravity isn't total inability to believe
"What the saints said"...well, to a point.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Isaiah 55:8-9 KJV
On determinism “my” thoughts Would Be Gods thoughts and “my” ways would be Gods ways, because they would be determined by God, and caused by God, and thus God would be responsible for them and not me.
How do you know your elect?
Why did Jesus speak in parables? It can't be that He was trying to keep the unregenerate from facing a greater judgement b/c they would have no will to respond no eyes to see or ears to hear unless God grants regeneration...so why would God try to hide something the spiritually blind could not see unless they were given the ability to see it?
2 Cor 4:4 talks about satan blinding the minds of unbelievers so they will not see the light of the Gospel..Why would satan need to blind those who are spiritually blind already? Is this a double blinding?
Why does God call people to choose life and to humble themselves? Could it be that humans have the ability to do this, but the will to do this is not what grants regeneration or salvation?
Why would God command all men to repent (Acts 17:30) if they can't unless God aids them by granting regeneration?
Why do so many Calvinists struggle with assurance?
If God only saves some (the elect) isn't election what truly saves and not the Gospel and Christ's work on the cross? Seems like the Gospel and Christ's work on the cross is just a means to the end of election.
Why is there not 1 Bible verse that explicitly states that regeneration precedes faith?
Why does Ephesians 1:13 tell us that we hear and believe before we are sealed with the Holy Spirit?
If God tells us that His nature is that He cannot lie, then why would it appear He has a revealed will in Scripture (all can come: Jesus will draw all men to Himself; whosoever believes) but He has this secret will that only the elect can come?
ok then how does God know what is in the future? you can't even answer the questions you ask...
its called compatibilism, reformed theology doesn't pretend to know everything but they sure do explain way better than arminianism and pelagianism and semi pelagianism(provisionism is a form of this)
what you believe is open theism, that God doesn't know the future and can only work in real time....
that is borderline heresy
Having spent the past 2 years coming out of Calvinism, I have grown to understand that Calvinism uses eisegeses to impose beliefs onto biblical texts as opposed to exegesis to let the bible drive what you believe. The calvinist cannot reconcile God Predetermining who would be saved and not be saved with John 3:16, "Whosoever believes..." They fall back on "Its a mystery". These so-called mysteries are introduced by the calvinist systematic beliefs. I agree with the bible that all are dead in their sin. However, nowhere in scripture does it say that man is unable to believe the Gospel. John 20:31 says, "but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."
What is amazing is that for the first 400 years, the church fathers did not believe in God Predetermining who would be and not be saved. It wasn't until Augustine introduce this gnostic teaching. I would highly recommend reading "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Dr. Ken Wilson.
Good words to ponder, Glenn -- and I agree with them. I would hope that these two hosts read your comments as well and give them some serious consideration -- there is a danger in erecting a theological framework that restricts us from remaining open-minded so as to gain a better understanding of the Holy Scriptures; no one has a 'corner on the market' regarding correct Biblical interpretation.
AMEN!
Amen. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings but the truth remains that Calvinism simply cannot survive fair and honest scrutiny. It survives by using intellectually dishonest apologetic tactics that pose false dichotomies and treat contradictions as if they were mysteries. If it could stand on its own, it would not need to resort to such methods. It’s also worth noting that recent scholarship (From Ali Bonner) has exposed the fact that Pelagius was not actually “Pelagian”. The whole argument from Augustine was a ruse from the beginning. It’s the “ January 6th insurrection” of the 5th century. I hold no grudges against our Calvinist brethren. I love these guys. I just pray they can cut the umbilical cord from this extra-biblical system and avoid the many of the tragic personal and corporate consequences of adopting an unbiblical theology.
@@aforderhase amen!!
wow, john 3:16 out of context completely destroys calvinism
read john 3:18 sometime
and Augustine WAS a gnostic before he was saved....
Dr Ken Wilsons book is unbelievably bad, even non Calvinists tear it apart, his understanding and research of Augustine is horrible and its an embarrassment that it was ever published
and where is Ken Wilson's book in the Bible? i wasn't aware he wrote Scripture....
I don’t believe you spoke correctly about Piper and what their Elders wrote. You made it sound like Piper alone wrote it.
So faith is a work?
Faith is not a work
Edit:
Heidelberg Catechism Lord’s Day 7, Question 21
Q. What is true faith?
A. True faith is
not only a sure knowledge by which I hold as true
all that God has revealed to us in his Word; it is also a wholehearted trust,
which the Holy Spirit works in me by the gospel,
that God has freely granted, not only to others but to me also,
forgiveness of sins,
eternal righteousness,
and salvation.
These gifts are purely of grace,
only because of Christ’s merit.
It’s a work of God
Even faith is a gift from God. We contribute nothing towards salvation but our sin. It’s called the Great Exchange.
Yes! it's GOD'S work.
Nowhere in the bible is faith a gift...
why do people hate the sovereignty of God so much? people have been brainwashed to have such a hate against Calvinists by the people who idolize free will, humanism, individualism and downplaying the sinfulness and depravity of man....
We non-Calvinists don’t “hate the sovereignty of God” by any means. In fact such a conclusion does not even follow from our position; Unless one’s view of God is so low that he/she thinks that His sovereignty would somehow be threatened if He were not exercising exhaustive control over all details of existence. But we don’t hold a low view of God, so this is not applicable.
No one is showing “hate against Calvinists” either rather we are just pointing to where it is wrong and the harm it does to scripture, mankind and God’s character. To point these things out is not “hate” in the least rather it is merely a moral obligation that stems from love and a from commitment to Biblical truth above the philosophies and traditions of men. Nobody is idolizing free will either. What a silly thing to say. We are merely taking a biblical view that God wants us to chose Him and that when it says in the Bible He “is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish”, that the Bible actually means what it says.
Lastly, no one is “downplaying the sinfulness and depravity of man”. On the contrary since we don’t believe that God is decreeing people’s sin, and decreeing that some must reject Him, we believe than sinners are actually truly and directly responsible for their sins and for rejecting God’s call. We just don’t believe that men’s depravity means that they are incapable of responding to God. That is a Calvinistic view, but it is not a biblical one.
@@aforderhase people can respond to God, I don't fully agree with that definition of total depravity
people can seek God, no one is seeking
people can believing, no one is believing
no one can be seeking and believing continually without the Holy Spirit dwelling in them
but the concept that we can accept God of our own free will is not true, only God decides who to give His Spirit to, you can not earn it
it is you who is reading the Bible thru your lens of traditions of man, humanistic individualistic elevation of man's goodness
I read the Bible from start to finish and see how evil and wicked men are if left to their own devices and their free will
our free will can only operate within our nature which is sinfulness
again, if everyone has the same ability to accept Christ why do so many reject Him? why are so many people so evil?
@@aforderhase I pray one day you'll learn how to properly read in context, not pulling a verse from here and there and interpreting thru a 21st century humanist mindset
I did that my entire life until I learned how to properly exegete in context
you are putting God's will underneath that of humans... to say God can't save someone unless the person allows God....
and He causes all good to happen,
If God created every single thing, that means He created our souls, our bodies, the entire world, every single atom in existence
so anytime we do anything, it is because God
put sin taints those actions
its like walking with a limp
the action of walking is not the thing that is broken or damaged, it is the leg doing the walking
if you would do some study into historical theology, you'd learn a lot
you weren't the first person to have the Holy Spirit and properly understand the Bible
that is another problem with this day and age, people think their personal interpretation is the correct one and everyone who came before them is wrong....
@@tomtemple69
You said
- Maybe according to Calvin, but this is not at all a biblical perspective. Brother, we have to let scripture interpret scripture and scripture tells us that God “is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish”. However if God were making you believe, as the god of Calvinism does, what is there ever to be patient about? If the Bible says God is patient with us, then it is inescapably implicit that we respond to God’s call freely. The god of Calvinism is NOT the God Almighty of the Bible.
Then you said .
- This is true, but unlike the god of Calvinism whose decisions are arbitrary, the God of the Bible establishes the criteria for salvation and the subsequent Holy Spirit lead regeneration, which is a person believing in and placing their trust in Christ and His work on the cross.
You then said
@@aforderhase who was Peter writing to?
God is patient because He will not end the world until all the elect come to repentence
just because you are one of the elect doesn't mean you are born with the Holy Spirit and regenerated and accepting the faith....
"he Biblical response is that because many choose to follow their fallen nature whereby they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. This is why the Bible encourages us to place our faith in God over and over and over again. If God were forcibly and irresistably regenerating us before we believed, then there would be no reason for the Bible to ever encourage us. "
ok so you are less evil than the person who suppress the truth in unrighteousness? you are sinful but not as sinful as they are? you are more humble and smart than they are?
I just wanna know how you chose to believe in Jesus when we all have the same ability, are you somehow better than they are that you realized you need to make that decision? at the end of the day, you think an attribute of yourself is responsible for accepting salvation
so you believe that God can only save someone if they allow it? that's what you are basically saying
Hey, let's debate this for years. Helping our neighbors and the poor isn't what Christianity is about. It's about debating trivial points in theology
These aren’t trivial points. And who says they aren’t helping the poor and downtrodden as well? They just don’t toot their own horn about it.
Shouldn’t you be out helping somebody instead of wasting time instead of debating?
In this podcast reformed theology was mischaracterized as “Calvinist”. In reality Calvinism is a subset of reformed theology and not an essential. This should be corrected in subsequent podcasts.
Did you watch it. They said that reformed theology was more than just Calvinism
@@THEOCAST I believe it was said that there was more to reformed theology than Calvinism. But that does not fix the problem; that still paints a distorted picture because it is still treating Calvinism as if it were a key or necessary component of reformed theology, when in fact it is merely a branch of reformed theology, and not at all an essential component of reformed theology. It is wrong to say “reformed” and assume this also means Calvinism. From the perspective of non Calvinists this seems like a very subtle but sneaky rebranding to make Calvinism seem more palatable, as if it were merely the theology universally accepted by the reformers. It’s like saying, if one agrees with the reformers then one somehow should also embrace Calvinism. So, it’s like saying, if you embrace the 5 solas, then you also need to embrace TULIP. But this is not true. Anyone can accept the 5 solas and all of the reasons why the Protestant reformation had to happen, without ever needing to embrace Calvinism. So this widespread treatment by Calvinists of the word “reformed” as if it were a synonym for “Calvinism”, while possible favorable branding, it is still misleading and wrong.
In a way it’s unfair to single you guys out for this because many many people do it, even many non Calvinists are now using “reformed” as a synonym for Calvinism; but just because many sin, this does not mean we need to sin as well. If we want to express intellectually honest ideas we should stop treating these two things as if they were synonymous with each other. This convenient ambiguity is simply misleading.
Most Reformed are Calvinist. It was never stated that all Reformed were Calvinists.
Sharpen your listening comprehension please
They summarize Reformed Theology into 5 points but "Calvinism" is just one of those and I think they actually spend the least amount of time on in (12:15 - 19:12). I attended a very Calvanistic but not Reformed church at some point and I never heard about the last 3 points they mentioned. It's actually why I was interested in watching this.
#1 - Covenant Theology
#2 - Calvinism
#3 - Confessionalism - 19:13
#4 - The Ordinary Means of Grace - 28:16
#5 - Distinction between the Law and Gospel - 38:02
Reformed from what???
A historical aspect of reformed covenantal theology, which highlights the covenant of grace is the baptizing of the children of believers in the congregation. With respect to my Baptist brethren, if one does not hold to this it is questionable whether one truly is covenental in their theology in the truest sense
Didn’t the bother that formulated the Westminster Confession accept the brothers of The LBCF? Historically speaking, I think they did.
@@BibleStudywithVernon
The Westminster Divines didn't accept the LBCF. There were more than 100 Westminster Divines.
1) It was Westminster Divine's that went before Parliament to have the English Baptists arrested for attempting to draft an anti-paedobaptism confession. First LBC
2) The WCF Ch 28 Art 5 "Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance, yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated, or saved, without it; or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated."
The Divines used Exodus 4 as a proof text for Neglecting baptism to include neglecting infant baptism as "great sin" directed at the English Particular Baptists.
3) Reformed Theology and the term Calvinists historically were first directed at those who held to Calvins sacramentology and Reformed Covenant Theology, Then "Extracalvinisticum"(Calvin's Christology) and soteriology, etc.
"Reformed" wasn't used as a category for Baptists, nor the 1689 LBCF prior to the 1970s.
There are several Baptist Historians who have written on this as well that show the hostility between the Presbyterians and the Baptists in the 17th century. "Historically speaking"
Can infants be water "baptized" into a "covenant" relationship with God, in the same way male children were circumcised on the 8th day of life?
A person must be “baptized” to be saved, but it has nothing to do with water. The proof is found below.
Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit)
Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church?
The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again)
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.)
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment)
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Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says?
What did Peter say below?
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 1:5, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text.
Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13)
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.)
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5)
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant)
How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist?
Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ?
Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant
(ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
(Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation.
(GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things.
(KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
(KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357
(NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
(NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established.
(YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them .
Reformed theology teaches that God's mercy, love, forgiveness, and compassion are micro focused on a very small, very secretive group of "special boys and girls" and, magically, those who teach it always seem to be in that very select group! Makes you go "Hmmmmm"
Er, no?
And your post should make you go back and study something you clearly do not understand 😬
@@toolegittoquit_001 Sorry, but this is the sign of a cult. No matter how clearly it is explained, no matter if you were in it for 10 years or 50 years, you "just don't understand". I understand. Also I know there are variations of Calvinism, so you can always claim, oh I don't believe that one little thing so ha ha, you don't understand!... Think for yourself. This is a line taught to you by others. Wake up, drop the Calvinism lens, and read the Bible. White teaches that God decrees the rape of babies to glorify Himself. Wake up, I beg you.
You just misrepresented Christianity. Also Jesus is not on that cross
Why is the term "New Covenant" not found in the man-made confessions of Reformed Covenant Theology"? It is found in the Bible multiple times.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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Because they recognized that there is only one covenant that forgives sin
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And what is that covenant called in the scriptures?
@@SpotterVideo its called the grace of God
that's why we call it "covenant of grace"
@@tomtemple69 Why don't you use the term "New Covenant", which comes from the Bible? There is no doubt the New Covenant is a covenant of "Grace", instead of works.
@@SpotterVideo was the old covenant of the old testament a covenant of works and not a covenant of grace?
A *calvinist* approaching a person to preach *his* “gospel”:
"Hi! I have good news for you! I don't know if God loves you, the most probable thing is that He hates you.
I also don't know if He died for you in the cross, only a very few were chosen… But Listen!"
Sad but true! This is the false gospel that is being preached in many churches.
We need urgently to bring back the *powerful, simple* and *true gospel* summarized in *John 3:16.*
If God says that he died for everyone, *it means that He died for everyone:*
*Isaiah 53:6* ; *John 1:29* ; *John 3:16,17* ; *John 4:42* ; *2 Corinthians 5:14,15* ; *Romans 5:18* ;
*1 Timothy 2:6* ; *1 Timothy 4:10,11* ; *1 John 2:2* ; *John 12:47* ; *1 John 4:14* ; *Hebrews 2:9* …etc
Let's be very careful, let's not be found liars.
Reformed Theologians have the gospel correct, but their eschatology about Bible prophecy incorrect.
The Bible tells us in 2 Peter 1:20 that first of all, no prophecy is of one’s own private interpretation. Reformed Theology violates this because their hermeneutics are based off eisegesis, which means they read INTO scripture what it doesn’t say. That’s private interpretation. They allegorize eschatology and that removes the meanings of the text by saying the Bible doesn’t truly mean what it says.
Examples of this are their covenant of grace, covenant of works and covenant of redemption. *Nowhere* in the Bible are there verses that say that. That’s why despite using Genesis 3:15 as a source for Covenant of Grace, they are forced to Redefine Covenant & promise’s because nowhere in the first 8-chapters of Genesis is the word Covenant even used.
Although we are saved through grace, it’s not a covenant. Although Christ’s blood redeemed us, it’s not a covenant. No human has ever been saved by works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Nope, not even before Christ. Even the holy men in the Old Testament were ALL deemed righteous because of their faith.
Abel was considered righteous because of his Faith in God, Hebrews 11:4. Enoch’s faith in God pleased Him, Hebrews 11:5. It was by faith in God that Noah was considered righteous, Hebrews 11:7. Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6-7 & Hebrews 11:17 say Abraham was considered righteous because of his Faith and the list goes on and on through Hebrews 11. It has *always been by faith,* never by works.
Next, *nowhere* in the Old Testament where it said Israel, did it mean the Church. The Bible tells us (Exegesis), in Colossians 1:26 that the Church was a secret, concealed from past generations & previous ages. Ephesians 3:1-13 states a new dispensation of grace was first given to Paul from Christ to share the gospel with the Gentile world. There was no period of Grace before that.
Covenant Theology ignores passages that DO talk about actual Covenants because they are for Israel and Reformed Theology is against Israel. God made everlasting, unconditional & unfulfilled covenants with Abraham & his seed for the land of Israel (Genesis 15, 16 & 17), blessings from it in 2 Samuel 7 and Psalm 89. God explains that it is not based on David's descendants behaving perfectly. So no, when the Jews killed the Messiah, that act did not void these covenants. God threatened to divorce Israel in Jeremiah 3, but didn’t follow through because He doesn’t break promises. When Hosea asked God what to do about his adulterous wife, Hod told him in Hosea 3:1 to go get her & show her the same love & grace He showed the children is Israel even when she committed spiritual adultery.
Even Reform Theology’s own revered supporters like Dr. Louis Berkhof admitted in his famous book, Systemic Theology,
“It must be admitted that the term ‘covenant’ *is not found* in the first three chapters of Genesis, but this is not tantamount to saying that they do not contain the necessary data *for the construction* of a doctrine of the covenant.”
In other words, they made it up. Remember what 2 Peter said about private interpretation. Dr. Berkhof has a bio on Ligonier Ministries website as one the or sources for Covenant Theology. Wow. Another oft quoted Covenant Theologian is Dr. Charles Hodge. In his book, The Covenant of Works, “This system *does not rest* upon any express declaration of the Scriptures.” No scriptural foundation. 2 Peter 1:20 remember.
I could go on and on, but hopefully you understand now why Reformed Theology, Covenant Theology is a false teaching. It’s false doctrine. We are not to create our own hermeneutics. We know Gods plan by what He says. Not by what We say.
The church has not replaced Israel. Jesus will rule & reign in Jerusalem and before Christ returns at the Second Coming, all Israel will be saved by Jesus (Romans 11:25)
God Bless💜
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We don't need calvin. I love the truth of God's sovereignty but leave calvin out. He was just a flawed man
who says we need calvin? we just agree with his systematic understanding of Scripture... no one says they follow Calvin, they just agree with his interpretation and their set of beliefs align with what he wrote
and its not just calvin, reformed theology is much more than calvinism...
and we aren't allowed to learn from or agree with flawed men? you are a flawed man therefore your comment is incorrect
@@tomtemple69 You are SO wrong. I have listened to so many preachers and folks who are obsessed with either being hateful of calvin or obsessed with following calvin. All lm saying is : stay with the WORD and man's opinion doesn't matter
@@Over-for-now how do you know your interpretation is correct? how do you know calvin's is wrong?
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God.
I am actually offended by your Churchianity. Most of the Saints were not converted in a church, they received the Holy Ghost while alone. They heard the word not from a preacher but straight from God in private meditation. Augustine was walking by himself in a garden, Luther was alone in a Monastery, John Bunyan was walking by himself in a forest, I was reading Romans 3 to 6 in front of a lake by myself. What is wrong with you guys thinking you are so important that your preaching on Sunday makes more of a difference than the private devotions of the Saints ? You are so wrong on this one, it is unbelievable. I am not saying you cannot be converted from the public preaching of the word as Wesley and Spurgeon were, but many, if not most Saints were converted when they were outside the church gathering.
This would be referred to as the regular means of grace. The Word (preached or read) and the administration of the Sacraments (Baptism and the Holy Eucharist).
The saints you listed were saved by means of the written Word, but you must remember that for much of Church history most did not have access to Bibles and if they did they would not have been able to read them. The people you listed were of a more scholarly class (Augustine taught rhetoric, Luther was a professor, Bunyan alone was not a scholar yet he was able to read and write well). You must consider the vast majority of saints we’ve never heard of were converted by the preached Word.
Regardless of this, there is no other place the Sacraments can be received than in the Church (or at least in a body of believers). If you do not get baptized and eat the Eucharist you deny the direct commands of Jesus, and forsaking the common meeting is warned against in Hebrews 10. Love for the brotherhood is a sign of conversion all throughout 1 John, and other places.
We are in the 21st century where everything pretty much can be found in the internet. The word of God spreads faster than ever, outside the church walls and not within. Today most Christians do not go to church, because they can hear the word outside the church building. These ministers need to wake up, and realize that the hearing of the word from a pastor in a church building, is no longer the way the gospel spreads. Most people come to faith, by reading a tract, reading the Bible (printed or an app), or following a RUclips channel. Theocast is a prime example, on how to spread the gospel and reach people worldwide. Church membership will continue to go down over the next decades, while the number of Christians will continue to grow. This is why I said that this Churchianity message was completely out of line. Churches will continue to close down over the next few years, and that is good news if we understand that organized religion has done more harm than good to the cause of Christ. What I saw during the pandemic was appalling with churches supporting vaccine mandates, and other ungodly practices, that show to the average American that if we close 90 percent of the churches we would be much better off in this country. @@duriuswulkins4324
@@henrka The Sacraments; baptism and especially the Eucharist are normally administered in the common assembly. Instead of going along with the culture we must do what we’ve always done as Christians which is go against the culture. I agree that online ministries are great, but the Christian life is lived out with one another so that the whole Body of Christ can be built up.
Hebrews 10:25 says “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”
Just saying, I met more Christians at freedom protests against the vaccine mandates and marches against the LGBTQ agenda that you could ever imagine, and most of them do not go to church. As a matter of fact I hardly saw any pastors protesting thee vaccine mandates or the LGBTQ indoctrination and sex affirming surgeries. I think people notice this and are saying, is organized religion even Christian any more ? Some of the people I know have weekly prayer meetings in houses, or they share the gospel with friends and relatives, sometimes even strangers. As important as the Lord’s Supper is, it I ought not to be extolled over reading scripture, sharing the gospel, listening to podcasts, etc. The main purpose of the Lord’s Supper as a means of grace is building up our faith, but this can be done through the word in print, radio, social media, podcasts, etc. I still think people would love to attend the Lord’s Supper, but they will not do it in a church that told them to put on a mask during the pandemic or that supported the vaccine mandates, or the pastor is indifferent to the LGBTQ agenda destroying children and schools in the community. Just saying,, that there is tonnes of evidence of an apostate church where the church stays silent to avoid persecution. When was the last time you heard a pastor calling out a leader for living in sin as John The Baptist did ? So why should Christians support churches that at best teach you to be a good Pharisee to be successful in society, remaining silent about the abominations committed by secular authorities. @@duriuswulkins4324