Araki's Scrapped Ideas For JoJo
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2022
- Taking a look at all of Araki's confirmed scrapped ideas that never made it into the story of JoJo.
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Considering the scrapped ideas with Fugo, I get the feeling that the fight in Rome with Cioccolata would've originally been against Fugo. After all, Purple Haze and Green Day are VERY similar stands, and Giorno was the one to kill Cioccolata, which matches up with Araki's original idea of having Giorno kill Fugo.
I really like that idea
Honestly I kind of want to see that, it might even give Fuego a little more redemption
That actually sounds like it would make sense.
Imagine if everything was the same but Fugo was also there as well. The triple threat of Green Day, purple haze, and oasis. maybe even have narancia have to fight fugo first while mista and giorno go after cioccolata and bruno takes on secco
This is also probably why Cioccolata was written to be such an exceptionally irredeemable monster. It's a lot simpler and more gratifying to tell a story about someone so absurdly evil finally getting his comeuppance at the hands of our protagonist than it would have been to fight a former friend. Fugo's betrayal could have been interesting, but not really in line with the tone of Jojo's
I think Araki's statement about rock humans being mangaka as "be suspicious of any mangakas that go on large hiatuses" is less indicative of his plan to include a mangaka character (which could be part of it but I don't think is the entire reason) and more poking fun at his infamous tendency to go on so many hiatuses himself.
Togashi is looking hella sus
Yun
WOAH! HelixSnake!? I definitely didn't think i'd imagine seeing you here.
@@dafeels3085 agree, he's taking those hiatus pretty long, it sus.
@@dafeels3085 Probably why he suddenly wakes up now.
I always thought the break taking rock human mangaka was Araki taking a jab at himself lol
He finds Togashi very suspicous. He might be a Rock Human , who knows🤷♂️
araki is a rock human?
@@projekttaku1 yes
The rock humans were in fact rhe friends we made along the way
@@projekttaku1 It would explain why he doesn't age.
Honestly I believe the Kira backstory change was for the best. While it would add context to why Kira acts like how he does it would just make readers sympathize with Kira instead of hating him. I do think it’s a good backstory but it’s not one that needs attention in the main story. It would work as a one shot but I could never imagine it being told in the original manga.
It also could have incidentally promoted the idea that Kira is somewhat justified in his sexist killings due to a major female figure in his life treating him poorly, which probably wouldnt have been great if it came to fruition
Honestly not having context on why he turned out to be such a psychopath and a murderer makes him a much more interesting and scary villain in my opinion. It also makes us think of his origin in our head, and come up with our own conclusions which I think is really cool.
Well as it is even now, his willingness to blend into the new family and "lead a peaceful life" already had many readers overly sympathetic to him.
People worship every main villain anyway
I'm not sure if it would have muddled things too much, honestly, considering childhood abuse is an extremely common thing for serial killers. We can all understand that it's fucked up that they got abused as kids while also still condemning them for being horrible monsters.
Part of me is hoping with the Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak we get that chapter going over Kakyoin's youth. If Araki and Kadono want to do that now, I would be absolutely all in for it.
We already got that gift from the anime.
But more would be welcome
@@PrixtoTNT The anime only adapted what Araki already wrote in the manga. He planned to give Kakyoin's backstory a full chapter, but ended up giving it a few pages.
@@ChadBenjamin Oh I thought the anime made it a bit longer.
In any case, it would be great to have more
@@PrixtoTNT maybe a bit longer, but still not all that Araki had planned
@@mystrenula3911 No doubt about that
If Araki was a king, Hamon Beat would be like the crazy alchemist that always has crazy but true answers to questions that the new adventurer didn't even ask.
No more like head of the church or highest scholar
@@diaborodevil3161 he’d be a very weird bishop but I like it
@@perpetuallyconfused09 "find the arrow and then all your answers will be answered"
What's the story line? (Next reply begins it)
He would be part of his court.
The court of the crimson king
Hamon beat truly is carrying the jojo community on his back. Amongst all the misinformation, he only speaks one language: Facts
The only brain functioning man in the jojo fandom
True
misinformation*
@@zacqonos my bad
I know wish xforts would post more
you can hear the masked anger in his voice when he says "a completely baseless fan rumour" lol
I hate when people use scraped ideas as Araki forgot or plot holes. If they were scraped It's intentional!
Scraped ideas are plot holes
@@yassirbeniaz6645 elaborate.
@@yassirbeniaz6645 they are scrapped because they arent part of the history, is like saying that something that happened in a non canon series is a plot hole to the canon series
@@shakkoryu Exactly! it's only a plot hole when something break rules on the finished state of a story.
it's like saying that star wars has the plot hole of Darth Vader being a hero turned villain, when he was suposed to be an evil dictator in a scrapped idea (let alone not even being a cyborg) and Luke's name being StarKiller instead of Skywalker.
Or the Sonic series having the plotholes of Sonic not having his fangs, being part of a Band and having a human girlfriend
@@yassirbeniaz6645 Care to define "plot hole"?
Josuke’s Savior: Can’t I just be a random bystander doing a good deed and leave it at that?
Jojo fans: No, you must be Josuke and Bite The Dust is op.
Josuke’s Savior sighs in disappointment.
There there josukes savior, at least your not part 8 josuke.
Josuke's savior is that one delinquent with the Pompadour who was in the nursery during the Kakyoin fight in Part 3
Change my mind
@@Shadex_Joestar 🤔
Love how Araki decided to keep Kakyoin backstory brief even though he can make a whole chapter about it because he's afraid that it'll ruin the tension of the current story. While Masashi Kishimoto literally made 2-3 chapters worth of flashback in the middle of the fight almost every time.
Oda does 10+ flashback in the middle of fights or tensfull moments
@@HENTAIsamus06 Kuma's flashback was perfectly placed. Oda is an artist of the highest level.
@@NinthSettlerwas still in the middle of a fight/struggle that was halted because of it xD
The Fugo part also raises the question of why Diavolo didn't force him to attack his old companions. I highly doubt Diavolo would simply respect Fugo's choice to not want to hurt them.
Part 5 ended like 2 days after the gang betrayed the organization, and the boss was too busy trying to keep himself hidden to care about one person. He left for his childhood home island nearly right away
If he intended for him to be a spy of some sort he would want him not to attack them.
@@tylerramos7633 I meant it afyer Fugo quit the team. Diavolo could demand that Fugo proved his loyalty
he already has the unita speciale doing that job, 4 of which are paired together and work extremely well in said pairs and the 5th being a suicide bomb that would most likely get fugo killed if he were there. maybe if the gang weren't close to their objective after defeating cioccolatta and secco, but by then in the story they were pretty much right outside the colosseum with doppio there.
if diavolo was willing to send fugo to kill the traitors no doubt he would have also just sent every other team in the area
It's implied that Fugo went into hiding.
Besides, using Fugo against the Bucci Gang is asking for the holes in his jacket to become holes in his body. Giorno already has a perfect counter to the virus and everyone else except Trish knows his ability.
"even the smallest person can have a powerful stand" koichi and echoes being an example
Koichi is very reliable
And then there's Hayato, who doesn't even have a stand, and yet he's badass.
Hamon beat is actually Araki with his best English accent
he's actually an alt world araki.
Not a very good English accent, but a very good American one
He speaks in third person
@@projekttaku1 part7+ araki
Araki: No Rohan for new universe
Rohan in Part 9: Yeah sure
he said he didn't plan for Rohan in part 8
Dio was shown being abused by his father and even crying as a child when his father makes him sell the last memory he has from his mother, but that was still into the story probably because Dio does such awful things in the story that no reader would actually feel sympathetic towards him
But somehow you do feel some sympathy for him, the scene where he gets drunk and laments on becoming like his father is heartbreaking.
@@thechugg4372 Yeah, and the scene that I talked about before when he's a kid crying because his father makes him sell his mother's dressed (it's longer in the manga) it's even worse.
But it's not a kind of simpathy that would let anyone think of Dio as not a bad person for even one second, specially later in the story
and that's why araki considers him as an actual protagonist of part 1.
@@stasoleinik8501 In any case, due to their interesting relationship, I would say they can both be considered the main characters of Part 1, but I wouldn't disrespect Jonathan by calling Dio the actual protagonist
@@stasoleinik8501 do you have a quote where he implies this?
no?
then shut up
I feel like leaving Kiras backstory vague was the correct choice.
With what we got, I imagined Kira's personality was formed by a combination of a lack of empathy from birth, being raised by parents who believed that indulging oneself in pleasure (which is the sort of feeling which I got from his Dad), as well as his strange sexual fetish.
I read him as a selfish man, raised by just as selfish parents, all compounded by a predisposition to a lack of emotion from birth. This made his relationship with Hayatos family much more tragic and made me despise him much more.
He also comes off as a spoiled brat
Especially with how the last few chapters of part 8 talked about rokakaka and rock humans outside of morioh and the tentative title being jojolands (emphasis on the s), it feels like a safe bet to say part 9 is gonna be a world trecking part
To be fair, fugo betraying team bucciarati would be an absolute heart shattering thing to witness, such a colossal betrayal would be catastrophicly earth shattering to the viewers. Just imagine one of your closest friends whom you've known dearly just betrays you in the worst way possible and now you are forced to kill him. Something like that is very lamenting and maybe even too much to handle for some. While it would've been cool, it would also have been very sad
Might not fit the Jojo tone, but betrayals are pretty common in stories involving Italian mafia. Like Fredo betraying Michael in The Godfather II, for example, that could've inspired Araki.
You can definitely see that Araki was just feeling too much like shit anyway to do such a bleak thing like that
I also think that Fugo was supposed to (accidentally) kill Narancia. Fugo has uncontrollable rage. Narancia was betrayed by a friend in the past. It fits.
If this is really the case, then I can sort of sympathize with Araki. Writing this scene would really break my heart.
Bucciarati would be heartbroken, but I don't think Giorno would have given much of a shit. Part 5 takes places over, like, a week and a half .
he could've came clear to Giorno and told him he's a spy, then spend the rest of the story hiding from other hitman hired to kill him for not completing his mission. ( the spinoff)
I despise kids in fandoms spreading misinformation. Your videos on the subject always are amazing thanks my man
Jojos Stone Ocean 😠 😡 😤
"Another weird mangaka might appear, though."
Part 9 shows up years later*
It makes a lot of sense that Fugo was intended to be a villain, particularly considering how they treat his Stand. Not only is Purple Haze pretty seldom-used (which would make sense if his big planned fight was this cut traitor-fight), and frankly TERRIFYING, but you can also pretty clearly tell that its powerset would provide a naturally interesting fight dynamic with the two Stands he'd have been most likely to fight: Golden Experience and Aerosmith.
at this point im convinced Hamon Beat actually writes jojo not Araki
Hamon beat is Araki AU
@@kakseto8757 he's the araki from the sbr world, while the one who write jojo is from this world.
Hamon beat is kinda like they guy who's would back up in araki stuff when comes to other stuff
Hamon Beat is Araki's stand
DIO having all the stands sounds like a cool idea yet it would cause possible plot holes since the DIU VA and SO stands weren’t created yet
i mean neither developed their full power/stand form at the time DIO was alive. They had fevers like Holly.
@@starless267 I know that but it does seem weird how people tried to make that fan theory official
I thought it’d be all the tarot card stands, since it’s The World
@@larsnyman2455 That's horrifying on a whole other level, but now I wonder if the fleshbuds were originally part of Lovers' ability instead of just Lovers putting a fleshbud into Enya on DIO's behalf.
And how much overlap there also is between Hierophant Green's possession and fleshbuds.
It's a neat thought experiment, wondering what The World would have worked like if it was all the Tarot Stands' powers together. And it would have maximized on the traditional Joestar method of outsmarting the enemy more than Jotaro was allowed to in the end. (It's weird that he's basically relegated to nothing more than brute overpowering force (death-faking notwithstanding) when the Joestar shtick has always been uncanny observation and split-second clever exploits...)
@@timurthekingnot all stand users get fevers, the only reason josuke and holly had them was because their stands were unnaturally forced to awaken by dios psychic link and they were not strong enough to control them
Cool. He’s discussing the actual scrapped ideas.
Jojos Stone Ocean ahhh
Even though I knew about most of the scrapped ideas shown here, I still can't believe that Iggy wasn't planned since the beginning and that Joseph almost left during Part 3
I like how everyone basically diagnoses Araki with Dementia
I feel like if Araki did go through with the original plans for Fugo,the fandoms perception of him would be very different
Noooo... Really? Making him a turncoat spy who tries to kill our beloved main cast might make us like him less???
@@thegatorhator6822 nah but imagine if they made it more sympathetic, like fugos family or smt idk was being threatened and then at the end when giorno has landed the final blow, he asks for mercy or tells giorno the truth
idk I'm not a talented writer like araki
The part 9 MC is gonna have the stand cry "SCOTLAND FOREVER"
to add to the female concept of Giorno I can tell you that "Giovanna" is a Female name there in Italiy, and naming her "Giovanna" as a name "Giorno" as surname, would made much more sense of Giorno (name) Giovanna (surname) at least from an Italia point of view
Wouldn't 'Giovanni' be the masculine form of it?
@@tylercoon1791 yea Giovanni is the masculine name.
Giovanni Giorno in effetti avrebbe avuto più senso.
Certo, mi viene da ridere pensando al protagonista che si chiama Giovanni, ma è deformazione personale ah ah ah
Babe wake up, new Hamon Beat just dropped
Out of all the things Araki did, He thought betrayal was to dark💀
I already know at least one person is gonna be like:
"WEll WhAT aboUT JoSUke SaiVng hiemSlef"
Even though you already made a video on it and mentioned it in this video
I really wished Hol horse would join the crusaders he is really an interesting character and need more development
I feel like he would definitely just be Polnareff 2.0 and would benefit much more from a spin-off comic.
@@MEM-brain He's Polnareff but Soldier instead of Spy
@@Predator20357 if you haven't checked out crazy diamond's demonic heartbreak yet, you definitely should. It stars Hol Horse.
@@bug9591 Sounds like a much better alternative than the original plan.
No hes fine as he is. Polnareff fulfills any role Hol Horse wouldve provided
4:22 "he made sure to make his ability more balanced"
AKA shoots himself
Like 4x per chapter (ironic)
Granted SP has the ability to just straight up disobey if they see fit. Sounds like pretty big nerf potential besides the whole shooting himself thing lmao
A woman protag with a stand that grants life fits really well, i wonder how would she have looked like, either way i really like Giorno so its nice to have him.
Literally just Giorno with breasts, he's already quite feminine
@@shakkoryu Pretty much. Almost nothing would have changed. The rest of the team would still be distrustful, being female doesn't change any of the fights, and about the only thing that might change would be Trish being inspired by female giorno in addition to just being inspired by everyone's courage/wanting to be strong.
I think it would be a great idea to cover Araki's life (not only his career as a mangaka) in a full video, I dont know if you have made an entire video about it, but would be cool. Btw amazing contet, keep up the great work
Scrapped ideas are probably some of the most interesting things about a piece of work as big as Jojo is. Not only it gives us some insight on what were the possibilities that Araki was considering but also, the reasoning as to why some of these were scrapped also provide some interesting insight into how Araki intereprets his own work; what things he feels match up to what he's trying to convey
I really appreciate what you do, it does help when clearing confusing situations involving Jojo information and news surrounding it, keep up the hard work.
I've seriously gotten harassed on Twitter over people trying to prove their headcanon with literally scrapped ideas
The intro really makes you wonder the quantity of sheer absurdities this man must have witnessed. He's just tired of your sh*t 😂
How can people come up with so much misinfo regarding things like this when we have one of the best and most complete wikis out there in the jojowiki?
I imagine its a mix of ignorance, them not knowing the wiki exists, a mix of stubbornness, they refuse to accept they are wrong like Hamon Beat proving where a characters name actually came from and the person doubling down going "Japan dumbs things down for American audiences so you're wrong" and finally a mix of popular people throwing around the misinformation that their fans pick up on. I remember watching the Best Friends play the Eyes of Heaven game where they listed a lot of misinformation, like Araki cutting Fugo out because he was too powerful or DIO having all the Stands. Just an unholy trinity that keeps people thinking this is the dumb meme anime about homoerotic men with punchy ghosts instead of anything deeper or more thought out.
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah, it just seems strange to me that compared to other anime, manga, etc. JOJO seems to be #1 in having a misinformed fanbase. I'm sure someday there will be a video somewhere explaining how it got this way lmao
@@Psychomon all the memes and the toxic fanbase are a big part of the answer
Memes and people just passing info along without fact checking. Happens in a lot of big fandoms unfortunately. Especially one as rich in information and detail as this one.
Jojos Stone Ocean ahhh
Maybe another leftover of the female protagonist in part 5 is the name Giovanna which in italian is feminine while the masculine version is Giovanni
I wish Araki had written Fugo to be a traitor, like he originally planned. It would be a more interesting story-choice. Though I understand why he didn't due to his depression
Yeah, problem was that disappearing of this character was really a flaw. He's story was just cut and in the manga or now anime, it never, ever comes back.
Still, i do not blame Araki knowing the circumstances. Part 5 was great.
@@kiwamicorps no, his story reached a conclusion. Simple as that. He did not wish to go with the GangStars, knowing that it'd lead to his potential death. In essence, he just didn't have the conviction needed to go forward, so he stayed behind
@@lucinavonnolaran8728 then, it was weak conclusion.
@@kiwamicorps Fun fact there is a novel called Purple Haze Feedback which takes a few months after the events of part five. In the story, Fugo meets Mista, and wanting to redeem himself, Fugo goes on a quest to kill the rest of Passione's rouge drug dealers, and since Araki was involved in writing the story I am sure it is canon
@@ziangli4836 it’s never been said by araki that it was canon, so while it’s not wrong to say that it’s in your headcanon, telling someone else that it is, is kinda misinformation, which should be avoided given how massive it is in jojo’s community
10:25 --> Oda and Togashi are Rock Humans confirmed ?!
We forgetting Miura's super legendary hiatuses?
Honestly, I prefer Fugo not betraying the group or being an enemy spy. Like yes, it would have been so easy for him to pop up and turn out evil, but him literally just never showing up again really was nice in its own way. Not every action has to come into play again. Fugo leaving the group doesn’t mean he’s gonna be evil, or ever come back and help them. He made his choice, and is living out his life in his own way. Plus Araki saying he couldn’t imagine how bruno would react is so true. I genuinely think seeing Bruno, Narancia, and everyone reacting to the betrayal would have hurt more then it would have been satisfying. I think Fugo was written well, and in my mind purple haze feedback should be canon, or we should get a side series following Fugo.
I agree. Fugo already betrays the group by staying behind, which obviously hurts everyone.
Having him either be bad all along, or having him forced into fighting his friends, would just be devastating and painful.
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@@anderkrume564 forgot to switch accounts?
@@lmao1660 its satire
I think it's a shame that Kira's background wasn't explored more tbh. I'm sure there'd be some people with those takes of "he's not a bad guy because le abuse" but it would serve to make him more interesting imo.
and if I'm being honest, it's a similar story with Kira and Shinobu's relationship. Seemed like a bit of a Chekov's gun that it didn't go anywhere outside of the stray cat fight.
Kira's still one of my favourite villains anyways, but it's fun to think about what could have been
Eh, one thing Jojo does really well is pure evil villains-the kind where you enjoy their charisma, despise their actions, and love seeing their ultimate comeuppance. You can give pure evil villains a backstory, but (as with Dio) it should only serve to showcase just how awful they truly are.
Otherwise you get a situation like, say, Disney’s attempts at writing the literal puppy murderer villain as a sympathetic character in her own movie. Kira is a serial killer who murders women to use their hands as fetish material-a sympathetic backstory only detracts from that.
Even without the abuse things there are still people that think Kira could've changed 💀
I think in end kira would have turned a good guy and lived happily with his new family and Rohan and Jotaro gave up on searching for kira
But that would be garbage ending the current is the best
@@Tortferngatr wait which movie?
@@self-proclaimedanimator Cruella DeVille, the villain of 101 Dalmatians, who got a movie a few years back in the vein of Maleficent.
If there was a way to ask Araki directly, or something, I'd really like to know how far in advance Parts 4-6 were planned out
Based on the tips in this video:
In part 3, the concept of stands emerged and Araki intended to end the story in it, so in the meantime, the inspiration for a more urban story based on Araki's hometown must have arisen.
In the initial concepts of part 5 he planned a female character, so that may have been the seeds for part 6.
Jojos Stone Ocean ahhhh
0:22 [through gritted teeth] “Completely fabricated statements”
For a future video, I think it would be interesting to go over your thoughts on Jorge Joestar, its interpretations of various ambiguous ideas in the series (eg. Dio's survival at the end of part 1, the 14 phrases from the diary), as well as lesser-known references that the book makes (for example in one drawing for the book, Funny Valentine is shown holding a copy of 4th Another Day, also almost all of the stands are named after movies rather than music).
A lot of people also don't know that it's technically a crossover between JoJo, Ryusui Seiryoin's JDC novel series, and previous books that the author wrote. The character Tsukumojuku for example is the protagonist of one of his previous books.
It's a bit of a long read, but seeing as it's one of the things that a lot of fans know about but don't know many specifics, it could make for a really good video.
I think its really bad, since it overcomplicates things without exploring the world its in. But I like the reference to 4th another day, which I love.
@@projekttaku1 Oh it's pretty awfully written, I agree. But it's so bad, fanfictiony, and needlessly complex that it just becomes funny. And I think the bizarreness of the book itself makes it really interesting to explain and convey concepts from it
@@lasernatoo0 yeah. But I'd say its on the lower end of jojo novels.
It’s a very good literary acid trip, and I can’t say I dislike the Jorge and Lisa Lisa interactions. But having read some blog posts from someone who read Tsukumojuku…whew, the acid trip only gets more intense the more you know about the original.
It plays with the fourth wall and the nature of stories in some really weird ways, just as the original did in a much darker tone. I would still love to see Hamon Beat cover it, though.
@@Tortferngatr Do you have a link to those blog posts? I'd be interested to read them.
I was having a hard day today and your vidoes always cheer me up❤️thank you so so so much
Man, I would've really liked to see Anne (The runaway girl from Part 3) join the group and get a Stand Ability, it would've been interesting at the very least.
I want a part in Scotland so bad bruh
Fingers crossed for Jojo Lands
As someone said in Lucca Comics a couple of years ago, we (as Italians) wishes another part set in Italy.
Surprised there wasn’t any scrapped ideas for part 7 by araki.
Wishes for Jojolands.
I would love to see twin protagonists, each one with a first name beginning with "Jo". Together they could be "jojo".
My thoughts exactly.
As a twin- YES.
Hamon beaaaaat
Interesting to watch this now after seeing Rohan again in Jojolands
I was just watching your video when i thought of something. Rohan Kishibe shows up in part 9 and has a stand ability. With you mentioning that the manga character showing up in part 8 would have been a rock human, and the fact that rock humans have almost always a stand, I think that Rohan from part 9 is a rock human
"Scrapped ideas" - B-buh... but... ArAkeEe f0rgor!!! No scrapp'd!!!
10:13 And then Rohan came back in Part 9.
Huh, never knew about any of these. Thanks for pointing these out!
It's been 2 minutes, you don't even know what he's gonna say
New hamon beat just dropped
I have two questions about King Crimson's ability and how it interacts with other Stands:
1.: Would Moody Blues replay people doing things during skipped time, or would it lag?
2.: If Diavolo died in a time loop of Bites za Dusto, would any time skips he did later still take effect since the things that happened in them never really happened?
moody blues' replay stops when clash teleports so perhaps it could be the same thing with king crimson. since the erased time is no longer there that's someone moving instantly from one point to another, thus it might end the replay like clash's teleport
this is going off of memory though, correct me if i'm wrong
1. Moody Blues would either stop or skip. Since the time Diavolo erases is, well, erased, Moody Blues wouldn't be able to replay those events.
2. If I understand your question correctly, the answer is yes, time will still skip. If Diavolo erased time, and then was killed by BtD, even if he didn't manually erase time in the next loop, the time he erased would be erased. As shown with Hayato and Rohan, BtD locks events into place, including stand abilities.
As one currently undergoing the process of outlining a (admittedly rather small) story and wrestling with having to consider ideas, remove faulty ones and/or throw new ones in, it's really quite interesting and illuminating seeing how one of the best cartoonists went about the same processes in his most iconic work. It gives me a little hope that I can pull something similar.
Although, hearing that Araki wanted to originally end the series at Part 3 and then Part 4, it makes me really wonder what he could do with a wholly original setting and novel concept apart from JoJo. Baoh was quite interesting and different, albeit rather unrefined, from what I normally expect out of Araki and I recognise he's departed from JoJo with much of his oneshots - perhaps even Drip Painting Style, if you're so inclined - but I would like to see what he could do going in a completely alien and wild direction unseen even in JoJo. I just find it a little stifling being presented with the (mostly) same concepts and ideas.
I enjoyed this video, keep up the good work Hamon Beat.
I honestly think Fugo being a traitor would have made the story even better especially with the foreshadowing with Polpo early in the part
Jojos Stone Ocean
i actually liked the concept of Hol Horse joining the Crusaders
Interesting Video
Some of these Scrap ideas sound very interesting and I'm glad that some got repurposed into actual stories like making the Part 6 protagonist a woman instead of the Part 5 one.
Also crazy to think that we almost didn't get the Rohan Spin off.
@Stefanos Dimop I think jolyne was a better first female jojo, since she's a much better character.
@Stefanos Dimop yeah, but I think she's a better first fore into a female protagonist. I just kinda wish we got to see shizuka as a protagonist.
@Stefanos Dimop yeah, I just thinks its a better representation of a woman character giorno would've been (since he'd/she'd would've been basically the same). But you can disagree. but shizuka was suck a missed opporunity. Her invisibility power and her being raised by joseph could've lead to some fun battles. And she could've had a cool play on what joseph did by unconcealing something she made invisible at the end of the battle.
@Stefanos Dimop I literally had that exact same idea. Santana could easily escape and since joseph is to old to deal with him, shizuka decides to face him.
@Stefanos Dimop yeah. Like he adapts super quickly, so placing him in a modern ish world and against a stand user would make him crazy powerful. He had suck amazing potential.
Being Italian going to the part 5 manga for the first time I genuinely believed Giorno was female,as “Giovanna” is a feminine name
Well it's a surname in his case lmao.
I don't think readers would've been very sympathetic to Kira if Araki written more about his backstory. It wouldn't have taken away the fact that he was still a killer who needed to be stopped.
There's people who are sympathetic of Kira even without that backstory, so I think Araki did a good choice
he killed people who effectively deserved it, so in the grand scheme of things, he's not actually evil like DIO is, but he definitely doesn't function normally to any degree either so normal people still shouldn't want to be like him anyway
Jeffrey Dahmer moment
Jojos Stone Ocean ahhh
2 chapters in and rohan is back in part 9
The thing i love about anasui is that within canon it makes sense for him to be disguised as a woman he can do it with his stand and he is spying on jolyne whos in the womans prison
Although I'm very excited about the possibility of a future story taking place in Northern Europe, as I live there so that'd be cool, I'm not personally a fan of the whole reset universe thing. Erasing all the beloved characters we know and basically making it so it never happened in the first place, when there was so much potential for future stories, just kinda bugs me.
We never got to see Shizuka Joestar (the invisible baby Joseph ended up adopting) as a potential future Jo Jo, also the Stand baby from Part 3, the one with Death 13, was still technically out there as he would have been around 12 by the time of Golden Wind. Also, I would have loved for a future plotline to take the protagonists back to england where they get to visit the place where the old Joestar Mansion once stood, bringing everything full circle. I'm a sucker for stuff like that.
It's just a shame we never got to revisit those potential future plotlines.
Man, i really love this channel
Great video, as always Hamon. Really interesting to see what could have been, if Araki didn't change his mind. Although I think most changes, like Anne disappearing or the lack of Kira's backstory turned out for the better in the end.
I think you only read that last point slightly wrong. I believe Araki is saying that Rock humans in fact couldn't perform jobs like being a mangaka, as taking a lot of breaks inbetween their works to sleep would cause suspicion..
I kinda wish we had a double fight with jotaro vs dio and polnareff vs hol horse.
imagine Polnareff in part 4, imagine Polnareff hanging out with Okuyasu.
Would've be perfect
Omg yes!!! 😍
One small detail you missed is that, originally, Soft & Wet used to have different ears. In early depictions of the Stand, it's ears are shown to be short and wide as opposed to long and thin
i think its funny how, now that we have the jojolands, araki actually DID bring rohan back lol
People quote interviews that don't exist and have never seen first hand
7:30 '...from the conversation between Araki and the editor on whether the protagonist was going to be a woman or not', not 'from the fact that the user was originally a woman'.
10:13
Rohan: "Never leave. Always here."
Well we found out where the mangaka character went I guess
I feel like Giorno being a girl would actually give Vento Aureo a nice theme. The story already revolves around good men protecting a girl from bad men. Giorno’s fathers, Jonathan and Dio, both have significant gendered roles when interacting with women based on their archetypes. Jonathan is the gentleman and knight in shining armor while Dio is the predatory vampire. Giorno is already an outsider and he comes along right before Bucciarati’s Gang is tasked with protecting Trish. I feel like it would be beautifully poetic if Giorno was not the gentleman like the rest of his gang but a girl who steps in to protect another girl struggling to survive in a man’s world.
Abaccio hating female Giorno suddenly becomes a lot funnier in retrospect if he thinks she's there to steal Buccuratti from him.
Yah maybe but I like his androgynous design so I‘m glad he wasn’t.
@@geschnitztekiste4111 The whole idea of androgyny is to be interpreted as not singularly male nor female
@@fuzzbutt_avery Yeah, but you can’t deny his design is somewhat effeminate here. Not completely but a little. Translating that design into a girl would be a lot more boring. That’s why I‘m glad Giorno is a delicate male, and Jolyne as a badass female is equally great. Refreshing to see gender tropes somewhat thrown out for some characters
You have grave daddy issues
Hol Horse and Fugo are characters that made me wish Araki would have bent his rule about each part , mostly, being its own thing
I would have loved to see what some of the antagonists and side characters of Parts 3 and 4 were up to as well as seeing more of Fugo in general
Interestingly enough, Giovanna is a woman's name in italian, and doesn't really make sense as a family name (but that's true for most part 5 family names). So maybe Araki originally intended it as the character's first name when it was still supposed to be a woman.
In one specific case, that appears to have also caused some slight confusion in the italian edition of jojo: the volumes include a list of the protagonist of each parts. Everyone is listed the occidental way, so first name first and family name second (e.g. Jotaro Kujo), except for 'Giovanna Giorno'. Some editor who wrote the list probably still thought the character was female.
All of this ideas seem amazing! I would have loved to see every single one of this actually take place. Maybe the only one I'm fine with are the change with Anasui's design and Soft n Wet's ability.
i always thought an ability to attach those little tabs of mettle from coke can to things would be cool maybe when you open them it creates a vacuum spiting out all the liqued from the other side of that object out
I do kind of think that with title of JojoLANDS it's possible to have another road trip based series but maybe in Europe this time
It was always kinda weird to me how Ann showed up like she was going to be someone important but got sent off it’s cool to see how araki feels about it now
Hamon Beating Misinfo into the ground
Now we know the mangaka is rohan in p9 😂😂
Man I'd love to see more new scrapped ideas, like what that original part 6 ending was meant to be
Hello Hamon Beaut, loved the video as always, i have an idea for a video that might be interesting as i think many people dont know about this.
What about a recap or a presentation video about the Phantom Blood movie/OVA that was made but never released ? Maybe presenting the project and why was it dumped and showing what was exhumed from it which each scene that has leaked out and such. I would love that.
Thank you !
A video investigating the efforts to recover the movie and why it was lost would be very interesting
Just saying, the movie WAS released in cinema, but the DVD and such release was never, and the movie wasn't seen a lot if I record
Well another weird mangaka character sure did appear later
Loved this video
As soon as I saw the name of this vid I knew it was gonna be a banger
Great video idea!!!
I feel like it would’ve been cool if Tooru and the rock human’s goal was to find and capture josuke to experiment on him.