Araki's Scrapped Ideas For JoJo

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @talkinghoorse6936
    @talkinghoorse6936 2 года назад +3767

    Considering the scrapped ideas with Fugo, I get the feeling that the fight in Rome with Cioccolata would've originally been against Fugo. After all, Purple Haze and Green Day are VERY similar stands, and Giorno was the one to kill Cioccolata, which matches up with Araki's original idea of having Giorno kill Fugo.

    • @perpetuallyconfused09
      @perpetuallyconfused09 2 года назад +237

      I really like that idea

    • @redbluestar1272
      @redbluestar1272 2 года назад +220

      Honestly I kind of want to see that, it might even give Fuego a little more redemption

    • @leonseuropeanislandadventu7398
      @leonseuropeanislandadventu7398 2 года назад +164

      That actually sounds like it would make sense.

    • @somethingbanter
      @somethingbanter 2 года назад +207

      Imagine if everything was the same but Fugo was also there as well. The triple threat of Green Day, purple haze, and oasis. maybe even have narancia have to fight fugo first while mista and giorno go after cioccolata and bruno takes on secco

    • @nessesaryschoolthing
      @nessesaryschoolthing 2 года назад +321

      This is also probably why Cioccolata was written to be such an exceptionally irredeemable monster. It's a lot simpler and more gratifying to tell a story about someone so absurdly evil finally getting his comeuppance at the hands of our protagonist than it would have been to fight a former friend. Fugo's betrayal could have been interesting, but not really in line with the tone of Jojo's

  • @HelixSnake
    @HelixSnake 2 года назад +1007

    I think Araki's statement about rock humans being mangaka as "be suspicious of any mangakas that go on large hiatuses" is less indicative of his plan to include a mangaka character (which could be part of it but I don't think is the entire reason) and more poking fun at his infamous tendency to go on so many hiatuses himself.

    • @dafeels3085
      @dafeels3085 2 года назад +92

      Togashi is looking hella sus

    • @Drakoverse
      @Drakoverse 2 года назад +1

      Yun

    • @Steffe63.5
      @Steffe63.5 2 года назад

      WOAH! HelixSnake!? I definitely didn't think i'd imagine seeing you here.

    • @rizalalbar
      @rizalalbar 2 года назад +9

      @@dafeels3085 agree, he's taking those hiatus pretty long, it sus.

    •  2 года назад +7

      @@dafeels3085 Probably why he suddenly wakes up now.

  • @DigitalVDisk
    @DigitalVDisk 2 года назад +400

    I always thought the break taking rock human mangaka was Araki taking a jab at himself lol

    • @brandobear
      @brandobear 2 года назад +50

      He finds Togashi very suspicous. He might be a Rock Human , who knows🤷‍♂️

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +24

      araki is a rock human?

    • @lordkooner
      @lordkooner 2 года назад +16

      @@ProjektTaku yes

    • @AlexRamirez-pi5vz
      @AlexRamirez-pi5vz 2 года назад +11

      The rock humans were in fact rhe friends we made along the way

    • @saucevc8353
      @saucevc8353 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@ProjektTaku It would explain why he doesn't age.

  • @anubis0REAL
    @anubis0REAL 2 года назад +140

    you can hear the masked anger in his voice when he says "a completely baseless fan rumour" lol

  • @jackcomas
    @jackcomas Год назад +66

    Araki: No Rohan for new universe
    Rohan in Part 9: Yeah sure

    • @ShadenThe
      @ShadenThe 8 месяцев назад +7

      he said he didn't plan for Rohan in part 8

  • @jordancrooke254
    @jordancrooke254 2 года назад +1886

    If Araki was a king, Hamon Beat would be like the crazy alchemist that always has crazy but true answers to questions that the new adventurer didn't even ask.

    • @diaborodevil3161
      @diaborodevil3161 2 года назад +74

      No more like head of the church or highest scholar

    • @perpetuallyconfused09
      @perpetuallyconfused09 2 года назад +41

      @@diaborodevil3161 he’d be a very weird bishop but I like it

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +35

      @@perpetuallyconfused09 "find the arrow and then all your answers will be answered"

    • @yikeda2008
      @yikeda2008 2 года назад +2

      What's the story line? (Next reply begins it)

    • @PrixtoTNT
      @PrixtoTNT 2 года назад +15

      He would be part of his court.
      The court of the crimson king

  • @Vaydore
    @Vaydore 2 года назад +715

    Hamon beat truly is carrying the jojo community on his back. Amongst all the misinformation, he only speaks one language: Facts

    • @Visceralx1
      @Visceralx1 2 года назад +47

      The only brain functioning man in the jojo fandom

    • @ii_ixq997
      @ii_ixq997 2 года назад +1

      True

    • @zacqonos
      @zacqonos 2 года назад +3

      misinformation*

    • @Vaydore
      @Vaydore 2 года назад +4

      @@zacqonos my bad

    • @RazorBladezX
      @RazorBladezX 2 года назад

      I know wish xforts would post more

  • @sakura368
    @sakura368 2 года назад +89

    "even the smallest person can have a powerful stand" koichi and echoes being an example

    • @Swordhand1
      @Swordhand1 2 года назад +25

      Koichi is very reliable

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 2 года назад +28

      And then there's Hayato, who doesn't even have a stand, and yet he's badass.

    • @MechaBorne
      @MechaBorne 4 месяца назад +1

      invisible baby

  • @PrixtoTNT
    @PrixtoTNT 2 года назад +314

    Dio was shown being abused by his father and even crying as a child when his father makes him sell the last memory he has from his mother, but that was still into the story probably because Dio does such awful things in the story that no reader would actually feel sympathetic towards him

    • @thechugg4372
      @thechugg4372 2 года назад +107

      But somehow you do feel some sympathy for him, the scene where he gets drunk and laments on becoming like his father is heartbreaking.

    • @PrixtoTNT
      @PrixtoTNT 2 года назад +63

      @@thechugg4372 Yeah, and the scene that I talked about before when he's a kid crying because his father makes him sell his mother's dressed (it's longer in the manga) it's even worse.
      But it's not a kind of simpathy that would let anyone think of Dio as not a bad person for even one second, specially later in the story

    • @ghastikd14
      @ghastikd14 2 года назад +13

      and that's why araki considers him as an actual protagonist of part 1.

    • @PrixtoTNT
      @PrixtoTNT 2 года назад +49

      @@ghastikd14 In any case, due to their interesting relationship, I would say they can both be considered the main characters of Part 1, but I wouldn't disrespect Jonathan by calling Dio the actual protagonist

    • @creeper1087
      @creeper1087 Год назад +5

      I think the reason we don't feel as much sympathy towards Dio is because of the order things were shown, it's shown him being abused before all his worse feats as opposed to how it would've been for kira, murderous tendencies shown before backstory

  • @jakajja4844
    @jakajja4844 2 года назад +963

    Honestly I believe the Kira backstory change was for the best. While it would add context to why Kira acts like how he does it would just make readers sympathize with Kira instead of hating him. I do think it’s a good backstory but it’s not one that needs attention in the main story. It would work as a one shot but I could never imagine it being told in the original manga.

    • @Robot_Eva
      @Robot_Eva 2 года назад +170

      It also could have incidentally promoted the idea that Kira is somewhat justified in his sexist killings due to a major female figure in his life treating him poorly, which probably wouldnt have been great if it came to fruition

    • @mrcuccob6386
      @mrcuccob6386 2 года назад +116

      Honestly not having context on why he turned out to be such a psychopath and a murderer makes him a much more interesting and scary villain in my opinion. It also makes us think of his origin in our head, and come up with our own conclusions which I think is really cool.

    • @legionbeast
      @legionbeast 2 года назад +80

      Well as it is even now, his willingness to blend into the new family and "lead a peaceful life" already had many readers overly sympathetic to him.

    • @HSE331
      @HSE331 2 года назад +37

      People worship every main villain anyway

    • @regularshowman3208
      @regularshowman3208 2 года назад +59

      I'm not sure if it would have muddled things too much, honestly, considering childhood abuse is an extremely common thing for serial killers. We can all understand that it's fucked up that they got abused as kids while also still condemning them for being horrible monsters.

  • @papisenpai5994
    @papisenpai5994 2 года назад +166

    Hamon beat is actually Araki with his best English accent

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +8

      he's actually an alt world araki.

    • @samtoomer9447
      @samtoomer9447 2 года назад +14

      Not a very good English accent, but a very good American one

    • @papisenpai5994
      @papisenpai5994 2 года назад +1

      He speaks in third person

    • @TexTheGuy
      @TexTheGuy 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@ProjektTaku part7+ araki

  • @stranger5011
    @stranger5011 2 года назад +190

    I hate when people use scraped ideas as Araki forgot or plot holes. If they were scraped It's intentional!

    • @yassirbeniaz6645
      @yassirbeniaz6645 2 года назад +3

      Scraped ideas are plot holes

    • @stranger5011
      @stranger5011 2 года назад +42

      @@yassirbeniaz6645 elaborate.

    • @shakkoryu
      @shakkoryu 2 года назад +49

      @@yassirbeniaz6645 they are scrapped because they arent part of the history, is like saying that something that happened in a non canon series is a plot hole to the canon series

    • @stranger5011
      @stranger5011 2 года назад +27

      @@shakkoryu Exactly! it's only a plot hole when something break rules on the finished state of a story.
      it's like saying that star wars has the plot hole of Darth Vader being a hero turned villain, when he was suposed to be an evil dictator in a scrapped idea (let alone not even being a cyborg) and Luke's name being StarKiller instead of Skywalker.
      Or the Sonic series having the plotholes of Sonic not having his fangs, being part of a Band and having a human girlfriend

    • @iamhungey12345
      @iamhungey12345 2 года назад +11

      @@yassirbeniaz6645 Care to define "plot hole"?

  • @miguelguitaridk
    @miguelguitaridk Год назад +26

    "Another weird mangaka might appear, though."
    Part 9 shows up years later*

  • @archeduardo
    @archeduardo 2 года назад +527

    The Fugo part also raises the question of why Diavolo didn't force him to attack his old companions. I highly doubt Diavolo would simply respect Fugo's choice to not want to hurt them.

    • @majimapyro370
      @majimapyro370 2 года назад +283

      Part 5 ended like 2 days after the gang betrayed the organization, and the boss was too busy trying to keep himself hidden to care about one person. He left for his childhood home island nearly right away

    • @tylerramos7633
      @tylerramos7633 2 года назад +23

      If he intended for him to be a spy of some sort he would want him not to attack them.

    • @archeduardo
      @archeduardo 2 года назад +8

      @@tylerramos7633 I meant it afyer Fugo quit the team. Diavolo could demand that Fugo proved his loyalty

    • @ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer
      @ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer 2 года назад +34

      he already has the unita speciale doing that job, 4 of which are paired together and work extremely well in said pairs and the 5th being a suicide bomb that would most likely get fugo killed if he were there. maybe if the gang weren't close to their objective after defeating cioccolatta and secco, but by then in the story they were pretty much right outside the colosseum with doppio there.
      if diavolo was willing to send fugo to kill the traitors no doubt he would have also just sent every other team in the area

    • @demi-femme4821
      @demi-femme4821 2 года назад

      It's implied that Fugo went into hiding.
      Besides, using Fugo against the Bucci Gang is asking for the holes in his jacket to become holes in his body. Giorno already has a perfect counter to the virus and everyone else except Trish knows his ability.

  • @charmygreen665
    @charmygreen665 2 года назад +61

    I despise kids in fandoms spreading misinformation. Your videos on the subject always are amazing thanks my man

    • @thebreaddealer4942
      @thebreaddealer4942 Год назад

      Jojos Stone Ocean 😠 😡 😤

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      It isn't always kids tho. Hamon Beat themselves have spread misinformation in their attempts to justify retcons instead of admitting them.

    • @NJBallProductions
      @NJBallProductions Месяц назад

      @@gokunenn4243Such as?

  • @wj11jam78
    @wj11jam78 2 года назад +70

    I feel like leaving Kiras backstory vague was the correct choice.
    With what we got, I imagined Kira's personality was formed by a combination of a lack of empathy from birth, being raised by parents who believed that indulging oneself in pleasure (which is the sort of feeling which I got from his Dad), as well as his strange sexual fetish.
    I read him as a selfish man, raised by just as selfish parents, all compounded by a predisposition to a lack of emotion from birth. This made his relationship with Hayatos family much more tragic and made me despise him much more.

    • @رزيئة
      @رزيئة 2 года назад +19

      He also comes off as a spoiled brat

  • @demonthegamer3624
    @demonthegamer3624 2 года назад +449

    To be fair, fugo betraying team bucciarati would be an absolute heart shattering thing to witness, such a colossal betrayal would be catastrophicly earth shattering to the viewers. Just imagine one of your closest friends whom you've known dearly just betrays you in the worst way possible and now you are forced to kill him. Something like that is very lamenting and maybe even too much to handle for some. While it would've been cool, it would also have been very sad

    • @KaijuofSteel
      @KaijuofSteel 2 года назад +83

      Might not fit the Jojo tone, but betrayals are pretty common in stories involving Italian mafia. Like Fredo betraying Michael in The Godfather II, for example, that could've inspired Araki.

    • @tino9117
      @tino9117 2 года назад +55

      You can definitely see that Araki was just feeling too much like shit anyway to do such a bleak thing like that

    • @zad_rasera
      @zad_rasera 2 года назад +49

      I also think that Fugo was supposed to (accidentally) kill Narancia. Fugo has uncontrollable rage. Narancia was betrayed by a friend in the past. It fits.
      If this is really the case, then I can sort of sympathize with Araki. Writing this scene would really break my heart.

    • @scrossb
      @scrossb 2 года назад +14

      Bucciarati would be heartbroken, but I don't think Giorno would have given much of a shit. Part 5 takes places over, like, a week and a half .

    • @kelvincha5492
      @kelvincha5492 2 года назад +10

      he could've came clear to Giorno and told him he's a spy, then spend the rest of the story hiding from other hitman hired to kill him for not completing his mission. ( the spinoff)

  • @animefan77
    @animefan77 2 года назад +126

    Josuke’s Savior: Can’t I just be a random bystander doing a good deed and leave it at that?
    Jojo fans: No, you must be Josuke and Bite The Dust is op.
    Josuke’s Savior sighs in disappointment.

    • @KratosCar
      @KratosCar 2 года назад +4

      There there josukes savior, at least your not part 8 josuke.

    • @Shadex_Joestar
      @Shadex_Joestar 2 года назад +10

      Josuke's savior is that one delinquent with the Pompadour who was in the nursery during the Kakyoin fight in Part 3
      Change my mind

    • @gabrielesegapeli4053
      @gabrielesegapeli4053 Год назад

      ​@@Shadex_Joestar 🤔

  • @godlotus8329
    @godlotus8329 2 года назад +211

    at this point im convinced Hamon Beat actually writes jojo not Araki

    • @kakseto8757
      @kakseto8757 2 года назад +49

      Hamon beat is Araki AU

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +25

      @@kakseto8757 he's the araki from the sbr world, while the one who write jojo is from this world.

    • @bruhford3954
      @bruhford3954 2 года назад +1

      Hamon beat is kinda like they guy who's would back up in araki stuff when comes to other stuff

    • @tylercoon1791
      @tylercoon1791 Год назад +2

      Hamon Beat is Araki's stand

  • @N_DAnimationEnthusiast
    @N_DAnimationEnthusiast 2 года назад +183

    Cool. He’s discussing the actual scrapped ideas.

  • @meltedlyricoriginal
    @meltedlyricoriginal 2 года назад +67

    Especially with how the last few chapters of part 8 talked about rokakaka and rock humans outside of morioh and the tentative title being jojolands (emphasis on the s), it feels like a safe bet to say part 9 is gonna be a world trecking part

  • @EinDose
    @EinDose 2 года назад +87

    It makes a lot of sense that Fugo was intended to be a villain, particularly considering how they treat his Stand. Not only is Purple Haze pretty seldom-used (which would make sense if his big planned fight was this cut traitor-fight), and frankly TERRIFYING, but you can also pretty clearly tell that its powerset would provide a naturally interesting fight dynamic with the two Stands he'd have been most likely to fight: Golden Experience and Aerosmith.

  • @angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065
    @angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065 2 года назад +67

    Even though I knew about most of the scrapped ideas shown here, I still can't believe that Iggy wasn't planned since the beginning and that Joseph almost left during Part 3

  • @omnisystem6030
    @omnisystem6030 2 года назад +255

    DIO having all the stands sounds like a cool idea yet it would cause possible plot holes since the DIU VA and SO stands weren’t created yet

    • @timurtheking
      @timurtheking 2 года назад +15

      i mean neither developed their full power/stand form at the time DIO was alive. They had fevers like Holly.

    • @omnisystem6030
      @omnisystem6030 2 года назад +55

      @@starless267 I know that but it does seem weird how people tried to make that fan theory official

    • @larsnyman2455
      @larsnyman2455 2 года назад +20

      I thought it’d be all the tarot card stands, since it’s The World

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty 2 года назад +9

      @@larsnyman2455 That's horrifying on a whole other level, but now I wonder if the fleshbuds were originally part of Lovers' ability instead of just Lovers putting a fleshbud into Enya on DIO's behalf.
      And how much overlap there also is between Hierophant Green's possession and fleshbuds.
      It's a neat thought experiment, wondering what The World would have worked like if it was all the Tarot Stands' powers together. And it would have maximized on the traditional Joestar method of outsmarting the enemy more than Jotaro was allowed to in the end. (It's weird that he's basically relegated to nothing more than brute overpowering force (death-faking notwithstanding) when the Joestar shtick has always been uncanny observation and split-second clever exploits...)

    • @ninjanarwhal7963
      @ninjanarwhal7963 2 года назад +24

      @@timurthekingnot all stand users get fevers, the only reason josuke and holly had them was because their stands were unnaturally forced to awaken by dios psychic link and they were not strong enough to control them

  • @johncruelty20
    @johncruelty20 2 года назад +24

    I like how everyone basically diagnoses Araki with Dementia

  • @Dr_Grid1
    @Dr_Grid1 2 года назад +42

    I feel like if Araki did go through with the original plans for Fugo,the fandoms perception of him would be very different

    • @thegatorhator6822
      @thegatorhator6822 2 года назад +1

      Noooo... Really? Making him a turncoat spy who tries to kill our beloved main cast might make us like him less???

    • @SahilFR
      @SahilFR 2 года назад +7

      @@thegatorhator6822 nah but imagine if they made it more sympathetic, like fugos family or smt idk was being threatened and then at the end when giorno has landed the final blow, he asks for mercy or tells giorno the truth
      idk I'm not a talented writer like araki

    • @kodakasaur9518
      @kodakasaur9518 Месяц назад

      Not to mention the possibility that we might have not gotten that legendary 7-page muda

  • @edfmed1080
    @edfmed1080 2 года назад +73

    A woman protag with a stand that grants life fits really well, i wonder how would she have looked like, either way i really like Giorno so its nice to have him.

    • @shakkoryu
      @shakkoryu 2 года назад +44

      Literally just Giorno with breasts, he's already quite feminine

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 2 года назад +18

      @@shakkoryu Pretty much. Almost nothing would have changed. The rest of the team would still be distrustful, being female doesn't change any of the fights, and about the only thing that might change would be Trish being inspired by female giorno in addition to just being inspired by everyone's courage/wanting to be strong.

  • @Metallaio
    @Metallaio 2 года назад +63

    to add to the female concept of Giorno I can tell you that "Giovanna" is a Female name there in Italiy, and naming her "Giovanna" as a name "Giorno" as surname, would made much more sense of Giorno (name) Giovanna (surname) at least from an Italia point of view

    • @tylercoon1791
      @tylercoon1791 Год назад

      Wouldn't 'Giovanni' be the masculine form of it?

    • @Metallaio
      @Metallaio Год назад

      @@tylercoon1791 yea Giovanni is the masculine name.

    • @gabrielesegapeli4053
      @gabrielesegapeli4053 Год назад +1

      Giovanni Giorno in effetti avrebbe avuto più senso.
      Certo, mi viene da ridere pensando al protagonista che si chiama Giovanni, ma è deformazione personale ah ah ah

  • @gus9797
    @gus9797 2 года назад +12

    The part 9 MC is gonna have the stand cry "SCOTLAND FOREVER"

  • @sham5219
    @sham5219 2 года назад +22

    I already know at least one person is gonna be like:
    "WEll WhAT aboUT JoSUke SaiVng hiemSlef"
    Even though you already made a video on it and mentioned it in this video

  • @press8704
    @press8704 2 года назад +10

    0:22 [through gritted teeth] “Completely fabricated statements”

  • @VileLasagna
    @VileLasagna 2 года назад +13

    Scrapped ideas are probably some of the most interesting things about a piece of work as big as Jojo is. Not only it gives us some insight on what were the possibilities that Araki was considering but also, the reasoning as to why some of these were scrapped also provide some interesting insight into how Araki intereprets his own work; what things he feels match up to what he's trying to convey

  • @Rune000
    @Rune000 Год назад +9

    Out of all the things Araki did, He thought betrayal was to dark💀

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      He did say he just wasn't in a good mental state right there

  • @dannyalian
    @dannyalian 2 года назад +20

    Babe wake up, new Hamon Beat just dropped

  • @Action-Punk
    @Action-Punk 2 года назад +7

    I really appreciate what you do, it does help when clearing confusing situations involving Jojo information and news surrounding it, keep up the hard work.

  • @Jack_Woods
    @Jack_Woods 2 года назад +13

    I've seriously gotten harassed on Twitter over people trying to prove their headcanon with literally scrapped ideas

  • @Psychomon
    @Psychomon 2 года назад +72

    How can people come up with so much misinfo regarding things like this when we have one of the best and most complete wikis out there in the jojowiki?

    • @MysteriousTomJenkins
      @MysteriousTomJenkins 2 года назад +26

      I imagine its a mix of ignorance, them not knowing the wiki exists, a mix of stubbornness, they refuse to accept they are wrong like Hamon Beat proving where a characters name actually came from and the person doubling down going "Japan dumbs things down for American audiences so you're wrong" and finally a mix of popular people throwing around the misinformation that their fans pick up on. I remember watching the Best Friends play the Eyes of Heaven game where they listed a lot of misinformation, like Araki cutting Fugo out because he was too powerful or DIO having all the Stands. Just an unholy trinity that keeps people thinking this is the dumb meme anime about homoerotic men with punchy ghosts instead of anything deeper or more thought out.

    • @Psychomon
      @Psychomon 2 года назад +7

      @@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah, it just seems strange to me that compared to other anime, manga, etc. JOJO seems to be #1 in having a misinformed fanbase. I'm sure someday there will be a video somewhere explaining how it got this way lmao

    • @festafunerea
      @festafunerea 2 года назад +14

      @@Psychomon all the memes and the toxic fanbase are a big part of the answer

    • @hidden_animator522
      @hidden_animator522 2 года назад +6

      Memes and people just passing info along without fact checking. Happens in a lot of big fandoms unfortunately. Especially one as rich in information and detail as this one.

    • @thebreaddealer4942
      @thebreaddealer4942 Год назад +1

      Jojos Stone Ocean ahhh

  • @ReClessidraI
    @ReClessidraI 2 года назад +13

    The intro really makes you wonder the quantity of sheer absurdities this man must have witnessed. He's just tired of your sh*t 😂

  • @mercka4583
    @mercka4583 2 года назад +21

    4:22 "he made sure to make his ability more balanced"
    AKA shoots himself

    • @MysteryGeek2006
      @MysteryGeek2006 2 года назад +2

      Like 4x per chapter (ironic)

    • @hidden_animator522
      @hidden_animator522 2 года назад

      Granted SP has the ability to just straight up disobey if they see fit. Sounds like pretty big nerf potential besides the whole shooting himself thing lmao

  • @edu-wb7gq
    @edu-wb7gq 2 года назад +20

    I think it would be a great idea to cover Araki's life (not only his career as a mangaka) in a full video, I dont know if you have made an entire video about it, but would be cool. Btw amazing contet, keep up the great work

  • @faisal-eo5hc
    @faisal-eo5hc 2 года назад +141

    I really wished Hol horse would join the crusaders he is really an interesting character and need more development

    • @Predator20357
      @Predator20357 2 года назад +58

      I feel like he would definitely just be Polnareff 2.0 and would benefit much more from a spin-off comic.

    • @CrustyFox87
      @CrustyFox87 2 года назад +14

      @@MEM-brain He's Polnareff but Soldier instead of Spy

    • @bug9591
      @bug9591 2 года назад +33

      @@Predator20357 if you haven't checked out crazy diamond's demonic heartbreak yet, you definitely should. It stars Hol Horse.

    • @Predator20357
      @Predator20357 2 года назад +8

      @@bug9591 Sounds like a much better alternative than the original plan.

    • @MagillanicaLouM
      @MagillanicaLouM 2 года назад +12

      No hes fine as he is. Polnareff fulfills any role Hol Horse wouldve provided

  • @ZoiusGM
    @ZoiusGM 2 года назад +3

    7:30 '...from the conversation between Araki and the editor on whether the protagonist was going to be a woman or not', not 'from the fact that the user was originally a woman'.

  • @anderkrume564
    @anderkrume564 2 года назад +12

    bustin rn😩new hamon beat vid 😭

    • @anderkrume564
      @anderkrume564 2 года назад +2

      THIS IS SO TRUE1!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!11🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👶👶

    • @lmao1660
      @lmao1660 2 года назад +1

      @@anderkrume564 forgot to switch accounts?

    • @anderkrume564
      @anderkrume564 2 года назад +2

      @@lmao1660 its satire

  • @genbab6989
    @genbab6989 2 года назад +78

    I think it's a shame that Kira's background wasn't explored more tbh. I'm sure there'd be some people with those takes of "he's not a bad guy because le abuse" but it would serve to make him more interesting imo.
    and if I'm being honest, it's a similar story with Kira and Shinobu's relationship. Seemed like a bit of a Chekov's gun that it didn't go anywhere outside of the stray cat fight.
    Kira's still one of my favourite villains anyways, but it's fun to think about what could have been

    • @Tortferngatr
      @Tortferngatr 2 года назад +17

      Eh, one thing Jojo does really well is pure evil villains-the kind where you enjoy their charisma, despise their actions, and love seeing their ultimate comeuppance. You can give pure evil villains a backstory, but (as with Dio) it should only serve to showcase just how awful they truly are.
      Otherwise you get a situation like, say, Disney’s attempts at writing the literal puppy murderer villain as a sympathetic character in her own movie. Kira is a serial killer who murders women to use their hands as fetish material-a sympathetic backstory only detracts from that.

    • @PrixtoTNT
      @PrixtoTNT 2 года назад +11

      Even without the abuse things there are still people that think Kira could've changed 💀

    • @self-proclaimedanimator
      @self-proclaimedanimator 2 года назад +2

      I think in end kira would have turned a good guy and lived happily with his new family and Rohan and Jotaro gave up on searching for kira
      But that would be garbage ending the current is the best

    • @self-proclaimedanimator
      @self-proclaimedanimator 2 года назад

      @@Tortferngatr wait which movie?

    • @Tortferngatr
      @Tortferngatr 2 года назад +4

      @@self-proclaimedanimator Cruella DeVille, the villain of 101 Dalmatians, who got a movie a few years back in the vein of Maleficent.

  • @zh7334
    @zh7334 2 года назад +127

    I wish Araki had written Fugo to be a traitor, like he originally planned. It would be a more interesting story-choice. Though I understand why he didn't due to his depression

    • @kiwamicorps
      @kiwamicorps 2 года назад +25

      Yeah, problem was that disappearing of this character was really a flaw. He's story was just cut and in the manga or now anime, it never, ever comes back.
      Still, i do not blame Araki knowing the circumstances. Part 5 was great.

    • @lucinavonnolaran8728
      @lucinavonnolaran8728 2 года назад +13

      @@kiwamicorps no, his story reached a conclusion. Simple as that. He did not wish to go with the GangStars, knowing that it'd lead to his potential death. In essence, he just didn't have the conviction needed to go forward, so he stayed behind

    • @kiwamicorps
      @kiwamicorps 2 года назад +7

      @@lucinavonnolaran8728 then, it was weak conclusion.

    • @ziangli4836
      @ziangli4836 2 года назад +9

      @@kiwamicorps Fun fact there is a novel called Purple Haze Feedback which takes a few months after the events of part five. In the story, Fugo meets Mista, and wanting to redeem himself, Fugo goes on a quest to kill the rest of Passione's rouge drug dealers, and since Araki was involved in writing the story I am sure it is canon

    • @HabitualThinker
      @HabitualThinker 2 года назад +12

      @@ziangli4836 it’s never been said by araki that it was canon, so while it’s not wrong to say that it’s in your headcanon, telling someone else that it is, is kinda misinformation, which should be avoided given how massive it is in jojo’s community

  • @koheletcalaforexclan6508
    @koheletcalaforexclan6508 2 года назад +3

    I love this stuff, the creation-info! Like the “Making-Of” or Extras discs for movies! I like the decisions and knowing there reasons! It’s always inspiring to me! Especially when it’s stuff regarding writers and directors I like and usually inspire me!

  • @giobat1072
    @giobat1072 2 года назад +13

    Maybe another leftover of the female protagonist in part 5 is the name Giovanna which in italian is feminine while the masculine version is Giovanni

  • @sheerheartattack3867
    @sheerheartattack3867 2 года назад +4

    I was having a hard day today and your vidoes always cheer me up❤️thank you so so so much

  • @shinyagumon7015
    @shinyagumon7015 2 года назад +20

    Interesting Video
    Some of these Scrap ideas sound very interesting and I'm glad that some got repurposed into actual stories like making the Part 6 protagonist a woman instead of the Part 5 one.
    Also crazy to think that we almost didn't get the Rohan Spin off.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +2

      @Stefanos Dimop I think jolyne was a better first female jojo, since she's a much better character.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +4

      @Stefanos Dimop yeah, but I think she's a better first fore into a female protagonist. I just kinda wish we got to see shizuka as a protagonist.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +1

      @Stefanos Dimop yeah, I just thinks its a better representation of a woman character giorno would've been (since he'd/she'd would've been basically the same). But you can disagree. but shizuka was suck a missed opporunity. Her invisibility power and her being raised by joseph could've lead to some fun battles. And she could've had a cool play on what joseph did by unconcealing something she made invisible at the end of the battle.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад

      @Stefanos Dimop I literally had that exact same idea. Santana could easily escape and since joseph is to old to deal with him, shizuka decides to face him.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад

      @Stefanos Dimop yeah. Like he adapts super quickly, so placing him in a modern ish world and against a stand user would make him crazy powerful. He had suck amazing potential.

  • @greatlogic6567
    @greatlogic6567 2 года назад +31

    Honestly, I prefer Fugo not betraying the group or being an enemy spy. Like yes, it would have been so easy for him to pop up and turn out evil, but him literally just never showing up again really was nice in its own way. Not every action has to come into play again. Fugo leaving the group doesn’t mean he’s gonna be evil, or ever come back and help them. He made his choice, and is living out his life in his own way. Plus Araki saying he couldn’t imagine how bruno would react is so true. I genuinely think seeing Bruno, Narancia, and everyone reacting to the betrayal would have hurt more then it would have been satisfying. I think Fugo was written well, and in my mind purple haze feedback should be canon, or we should get a side series following Fugo.

    • @hariman7727
      @hariman7727 2 года назад +7

      I agree. Fugo already betrays the group by staying behind, which obviously hurts everyone.
      Having him either be bad all along, or having him forced into fighting his friends, would just be devastating and painful.

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      It doesn't make much sense to say Fugo was written well, and then say that PHF should be canon. You need to make up your mind whatever he had a good resolution in Vento Aureo or not- specially considering what PHF is actually about.

    • @greatlogic6567
      @greatlogic6567 Месяц назад

      @ erm, golden wind had a good ending for Fugo. While purple haze feedback had a good continuation. It’s like how part 3’s ending was a good ending for Polnareff, and part 5 was the continuation. When it comes to Jojo’s, there’s never really an end to a character until their death. We see it all the time. As I mentioned with Polnareff coming back from part 3-5, we also see it with Joseph, Jotaro, Koichi, ect. They have good endings, but there’s always more.

  • @stanleyteriaca2184
    @stanleyteriaca2184 2 года назад +48

    Wishes for Jojolands.
    I would love to see twin protagonists, each one with a first name beginning with "Jo". Together they could be "jojo".

  • @bananasplitd006a5
    @bananasplitd006a5 Год назад +3

    I was just watching your video when i thought of something. Rohan Kishibe shows up in part 9 and has a stand ability. With you mentioning that the manga character showing up in part 8 would have been a rock human, and the fact that rock humans have almost always a stand, I think that Rohan from part 9 is a rock human

  • @Sun-cg6lv
    @Sun-cg6lv 2 года назад +60

    I honestly think Fugo being a traitor would have made the story even better especially with the foreshadowing with Polpo early in the part

  • @egg_404
    @egg_404 10 месяцев назад +3

    i think its funny how, now that we have the jojolands, araki actually DID bring rohan back lol

  • @lasernatoo0
    @lasernatoo0 2 года назад +18

    For a future video, I think it would be interesting to go over your thoughts on Jorge Joestar, its interpretations of various ambiguous ideas in the series (eg. Dio's survival at the end of part 1, the 14 phrases from the diary), as well as lesser-known references that the book makes (for example in one drawing for the book, Funny Valentine is shown holding a copy of 4th Another Day, also almost all of the stands are named after movies rather than music).
    A lot of people also don't know that it's technically a crossover between JoJo, Ryusui Seiryoin's JDC novel series, and previous books that the author wrote. The character Tsukumojuku for example is the protagonist of one of his previous books.
    It's a bit of a long read, but seeing as it's one of the things that a lot of fans know about but don't know many specifics, it could make for a really good video.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +2

      I think its really bad, since it overcomplicates things without exploring the world its in. But I like the reference to 4th another day, which I love.

    • @lasernatoo0
      @lasernatoo0 2 года назад +5

      @@ProjektTaku Oh it's pretty awfully written, I agree. But it's so bad, fanfictiony, and needlessly complex that it just becomes funny. And I think the bizarreness of the book itself makes it really interesting to explain and convey concepts from it

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +1

      @@lasernatoo0 yeah. But I'd say its on the lower end of jojo novels.

    • @Tortferngatr
      @Tortferngatr 2 года назад +2

      It’s a very good literary acid trip, and I can’t say I dislike the Jorge and Lisa Lisa interactions. But having read some blog posts from someone who read Tsukumojuku…whew, the acid trip only gets more intense the more you know about the original.
      It plays with the fourth wall and the nature of stories in some really weird ways, just as the original did in a much darker tone. I would still love to see Hamon Beat cover it, though.

    • @lasernatoo0
      @lasernatoo0 2 года назад +1

      @@Tortferngatr Do you have a link to those blog posts? I'd be interested to read them.

  • @HayatoStarGod
    @HayatoStarGod 2 года назад +9

    10:25 --> Oda and Togashi are Rock Humans confirmed ?!

  • @austinsavage5962
    @austinsavage5962 2 года назад +5

    The thing i love about anasui is that within canon it makes sense for him to be disguised as a woman he can do it with his stand and he is spying on jolyne whos in the womans prison

  • @AsuratheKid
    @AsuratheKid 2 года назад +4

    Great video, as always Hamon. Really interesting to see what could have been, if Araki didn't change his mind. Although I think most changes, like Anne disappearing or the lack of Kira's backstory turned out for the better in the end.
    I think you only read that last point slightly wrong. I believe Araki is saying that Rock humans in fact couldn't perform jobs like being a mangaka, as taking a lot of breaks inbetween their works to sleep would cause suspicion..

  • @ArchviumLiminalium
    @ArchviumLiminalium 2 года назад +11

    Huh, never knew about any of these. Thanks for pointing these out!

  • @literally_fran
    @literally_fran 2 года назад +7

    Man, I would've really liked to see Anne (The runaway girl from Part 3) join the group and get a Stand Ability, it would've been interesting at the very least.

  • @GabrielGajdek-od3lv
    @GabrielGajdek-od3lv 7 месяцев назад +2

    Tbh i think the reason that the savior looks like Josuke is because the flashback is told by Koichi so when he recalls the story he just imagines a thug version of josuke since he doesn't know how the man actually looked.

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      What a way to overcomplicate things. Araki is not such a bad storyteller.

  • @Alan-nj2zs
    @Alan-nj2zs 2 года назад +7

    i actually liked the concept of Hol Horse joining the Crusaders

  • @dutch_asocialite
    @dutch_asocialite 2 года назад +29

    As one currently undergoing the process of outlining a (admittedly rather small) story and wrestling with having to consider ideas, remove faulty ones and/or throw new ones in, it's really quite interesting and illuminating seeing how one of the best cartoonists went about the same processes in his most iconic work. It gives me a little hope that I can pull something similar.
    Although, hearing that Araki wanted to originally end the series at Part 3 and then Part 4, it makes me really wonder what he could do with a wholly original setting and novel concept apart from JoJo. Baoh was quite interesting and different, albeit rather unrefined, from what I normally expect out of Araki and I recognise he's departed from JoJo with much of his oneshots - perhaps even Drip Painting Style, if you're so inclined - but I would like to see what he could do going in a completely alien and wild direction unseen even in JoJo. I just find it a little stifling being presented with the (mostly) same concepts and ideas.

  • @G0dgrave
    @G0dgrave 2 года назад +3

    New hamon beat just dropped

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 2 года назад +10

    I don't think readers would've been very sympathetic to Kira if Araki written more about his backstory. It wouldn't have taken away the fact that he was still a killer who needed to be stopped.

    • @crystalalumina
      @crystalalumina 2 года назад +5

      There's people who are sympathetic of Kira even without that backstory, so I think Araki did a good choice

    • @SubjectSigma18
      @SubjectSigma18 2 года назад +1

      Jeffrey Dahmer moment

    • @thebreaddealer4942
      @thebreaddealer4942 Год назад

      Jojos Stone Ocean ahhh

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      People are sympathettic for serial killers in real life. So while I agree it wouldn't have been a bad call, it's because it happens anyways. The weird people whl are going to sympathize with Kira would do it regardless.

  • @jonathanschmitt5762
    @jonathanschmitt5762 2 года назад +10

    I have two questions about King Crimson's ability and how it interacts with other Stands:
    1.: Would Moody Blues replay people doing things during skipped time, or would it lag?
    2.: If Diavolo died in a time loop of Bites za Dusto, would any time skips he did later still take effect since the things that happened in them never really happened?

    • @ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer
      @ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer 2 года назад +2

      moody blues' replay stops when clash teleports so perhaps it could be the same thing with king crimson. since the erased time is no longer there that's someone moving instantly from one point to another, thus it might end the replay like clash's teleport
      this is going off of memory though, correct me if i'm wrong

    • @DweezyBreezey
      @DweezyBreezey 2 года назад +2

      1. Moody Blues would either stop or skip. Since the time Diavolo erases is, well, erased, Moody Blues wouldn't be able to replay those events.
      2. If I understand your question correctly, the answer is yes, time will still skip. If Diavolo erased time, and then was killed by BtD, even if he didn't manually erase time in the next loop, the time he erased would be erased. As shown with Hayato and Rohan, BtD locks events into place, including stand abilities.

  • @GiorgioMiselli
    @GiorgioMiselli 2 года назад +10

    Being Italian going to the part 5 manga for the first time I genuinely believed Giorno was female,as “Giovanna” is a feminine name

  • @beastyman70
    @beastyman70 Год назад +3

    Interesting to watch this now after seeing Rohan again in Jojolands

  • @Theamz
    @Theamz 2 года назад +7

    Surprised there wasn’t any scrapped ideas for part 7 by araki.

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      We not knowing about them doesn't mean they never existed lol He has just not being asked that much in interviews about SBR.

  • @scoutshellby7226
    @scoutshellby7226 2 года назад +6

    imagine Polnareff in part 4, imagine Polnareff hanging out with Okuyasu.

  • @willymoop7215
    @willymoop7215 2 года назад

    I enjoyed this video, keep up the good work Hamon Beat.

  • @mistermike4023
    @mistermike4023 2 года назад +15

    One small detail you missed is that, originally, Soft & Wet used to have different ears. In early depictions of the Stand, it's ears are shown to be short and wide as opposed to long and thin

  • @AndorRobotnik
    @AndorRobotnik 2 года назад +3

    People quote interviews that don't exist and have never seen first hand

  • @GalekC
    @GalekC 2 года назад +48

    If there was a way to ask Araki directly, or something, I'd really like to know how far in advance Parts 4-6 were planned out

    • @eric_brito
      @eric_brito 2 года назад +16

      Based on the tips in this video:
      In part 3, the concept of stands emerged and Araki intended to end the story in it, so in the meantime, the inspiration for a more urban story based on Araki's hometown must have arisen.
      In the initial concepts of part 5 he planned a female character, so that may have been the seeds for part 6.

    • @thebreaddealer4942
      @thebreaddealer4942 Год назад

      Jojos Stone Ocean ahhhh

  • @flamegaming1846
    @flamegaming1846 9 месяцев назад +7

    Well I mean Rohan is in part 9 so…

  • @littlegiogio8732
    @littlegiogio8732 Год назад +3

    10:13 And then Rohan came back in Part 9.

  • @RedAlertIt
    @RedAlertIt 2 года назад +5

    Interestingly enough, Giovanna is a woman's name in italian, and doesn't really make sense as a family name (but that's true for most part 5 family names). So maybe Araki originally intended it as the character's first name when it was still supposed to be a woman.
    In one specific case, that appears to have also caused some slight confusion in the italian edition of jojo: the volumes include a list of the protagonist of each parts. Everyone is listed the occidental way, so first name first and family name second (e.g. Jotaro Kujo), except for 'Giovanna Giorno'. Some editor who wrote the list probably still thought the character was female.

  • @IggyBitz
    @IggyBitz 2 года назад +9

    I want a part in Scotland so bad bruh

    • @larsnyman2455
      @larsnyman2455 2 года назад +7

      Fingers crossed for Jojo Lands

    • @il3fortunato664
      @il3fortunato664 2 года назад +2

      As someone said in Lucca Comics a couple of years ago, we (as Italians) wishes another part set in Italy.

  • @tyrantking9000
    @tyrantking9000 2 года назад +3

    I joke about Fugo's stand being so busted that Araki decided to yeet him out the story, but Araki had a plan for Fugo, but couldn't get use it due to depression makes sense.

  • @eric_brito
    @eric_brito 2 года назад +3

    5:25 *Araki avoids long backstory so as not to interrupt the climax of the story.
    Kishimoto: I missed the part where that's my problem.
    Edit: the flashbacks interrupting Naruto x Sasuke at the end of classic Naruto were really frustrating.

  • @inu8442
    @inu8442 2 года назад +1

    Man, i really love this channel

  • @ZzigZaG00NIN
    @ZzigZaG00NIN 2 года назад +9

    It was always kinda weird to me how Ann showed up like she was going to be someone important but got sent off it’s cool to see how araki feels about it now

  • @ProjektTaku
    @ProjektTaku 2 года назад +6

    I kinda wish we had a double fight with jotaro vs dio and polnareff vs hol horse.

  • @Coconut_Prrson
    @Coconut_Prrson 2 года назад +2

    All of this ideas seem amazing! I would have loved to see every single one of this actually take place. Maybe the only one I'm fine with are the change with Anasui's design and Soft n Wet's ability.

  • @thegamerator10
    @thegamerator10 Год назад +1

    10:13
    Rohan: "Never leave. Always here."

  • @filipvadas7602
    @filipvadas7602 2 года назад +29

    Hol Horse and Fugo are characters that made me wish Araki would have bent his rule about each part , mostly, being its own thing
    I would have loved to see what some of the antagonists and side characters of Parts 3 and 4 were up to as well as seeing more of Fugo in general

  • @Mimi-eo2jh
    @Mimi-eo2jh Год назад +2

    Well we found out where the mangaka character went I guess

  • @davidmahecha7987
    @davidmahecha7987 2 года назад +5

    Hamon beaaaaat

  • @Bigheadthemask
    @Bigheadthemask 22 дня назад

    10:05 It's funny that only now did Araki confirm that Rohan was in Jojolion but he didn't appear and only appeared in part 9 (The information comes from Araki's new book: Hirohiko araki new manga techniques)

  • @moley249
    @moley249 2 года назад +1

    i always thought an ability to attach those little tabs of mettle from coke can to things would be cool maybe when you open them it creates a vacuum spiting out all the liqued from the other side of that object out

  • @pitanga1724
    @pitanga1724 Год назад +3

    2 chapters in and rohan is back in part 9

  • @manoloskolosgr
    @manoloskolosgr 2 года назад +2

    I had an idea to what could've happened with Fugo to satisfy both the original idea and the reality.
    Imagine if Fugo, after leaving the gang, was desperate and left alone, not knowing what to do with his life. However, a mysterious man sent from the boss offers him another job at the mafia which will be to assist the boss with his capsules, but Fugo would be unaware that they would be used against his friends. Towards the battle with Diavolo, the boss uses Fugo by threatening him, telling him to kill Giorno and the gang. Fugo, very devided and desperate, has to choose between the boss and his friends. Eventually he chooses his friends, trying to give tips against the boss and Diavolo kills him right after.

  • @boubaker7037
    @boubaker7037 2 года назад +10

    For Anne, Araki also added in thr Billboard interview that it was also because the shonen jump readers stopped Caring when a female character was used, before they would putright rejected them and if a character got rejected, the serie was over

    • @limabarreto911
      @limabarreto911 2 года назад +2

      Do you have a source?

    • @hollowsid9623
      @hollowsid9623 2 года назад +6

      @@limabarreto911 my source is that i made it the fuck up

    • @gokunenn4243
      @gokunenn4243 Месяц назад

      @hollowsid9623 It's quite literally said by Araki when talking about Lisa Lisa in Jojonium. How fucking hard is it to look up the interviews compiled in the wiki rather than making yourself look stupid online trying to shut someone else down for actually being informed?

  • @oliverotter6455
    @oliverotter6455 2 года назад +2

    I feel like it would’ve been cool if Tooru and the rock human’s goal was to find and capture josuke to experiment on him.

  • @L0n3ly43th3arc
    @L0n3ly43th3arc 9 месяцев назад +1

    I heard the word "bunko" and it actually triggered me. Much like a mammal to the scent of meat or like Kazuma Kiryu seeing something really cool to copy off of.

  • @groupswing58383
    @groupswing58383 Год назад +1

    What if there was something like “What If” from Marvel where Araki makes a volume for each scrapped idea and/or newer ideas.

  • @urahara64360
    @urahara64360 2 года назад +3

    I do kind of think that with title of JojoLANDS it's possible to have another road trip based series but maybe in Europe this time

  • @ShirouBrando
    @ShirouBrando Год назад +1

    Fun fact in All stars battle R
    If you play as Giorno and fight Fugo
    They will have a dialog interaction where we get to see a glimpse of traitor fugo
    It's actually pretty neat and I was very supportive to see it

    • @ShirouBrando
      @ShirouBrando Год назад

      Same with mista
      His win qoute is litterly
      "Traitors are as good as dead, Fugo...."

  • @MrFoxInc
    @MrFoxInc 3 месяца назад +1

    (SPOILERS FOR PART 9) It's interesting that Araki was so steadfast on not having Rohan appear in Part 8 despite Morioh being the setting of the story, when in Part 9, he just so nonchalantly shows up quite early to introduce what seems to be the main premise of the story and it doesn't look like he's gonna appear again, either. I was under the impression that Rohan is a bit of a self-insert for Araki, so I wonder if that has any implications.

  • @__-fi6xg
    @__-fi6xg 5 месяцев назад +1

    yeah giornos character is quite passive and would fit a female body just as well. But im glad how well jolyne turned out to be, i love her character growth.