You Think I'm Stupid? I Know it Was You (No Music Sheet) - Whiplash - Movie Clip Full HD 4K Scene
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- All right, gang, listen up. Now,
for those of you who are new at this...
...which looks like everybody except Cal,
tonight could change your life.
The folks out there make a phone call,
you could be a Blue Note signee...
...an EMC client,
a Lincoln Center core.
On the other hand...
...if you drop the ball, you might be
looking for a new line of work...
...because the other thing
about these cats is they never forget.
We all set?
All right. Let's have fun.
You think I'm stupid?
- What?
- I know it was you.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
We're very excited to be here kicking off
the JVC Festival this year.
I'm Terence Fletcher, these are some
of the best musicians in New York...
...which means they're some of the best
musicians in the world.
We're gonna do some old standards,
but we're gonna start with a new tune...
...by Tim Simonec called "Upswingin'."
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Anyone who has ever lost their sheet music and had to go off memory knows this scene intimately well.
It's a trap. But he left a way out which Niemann exploited. The first tune was not a standard and was brand new and thus unheard.
Fletcher wanted to demolish Andrew, brush it off as a warmup and then go on with the new stuff without sabotaging the other musicians (they would have killed Fletcher for ruining them just to get revenge on a teenage drummer).
Andrew played a huge reverse card on him by starting the next standard on his own.
He literally took command of the whole band destiny like a real old jazz cat.
But in the end, Fletcher won. He broke Andrew. Andrew is a shell of his former self. Just a souless tool for Fletcher to use. In the ending scene there is this moment where Andrew's dad watches his son. In a moment like this you would expect to have a very proud expretion. Since the scene feels like Andrew standing up to Fletcher. But Andrew's dad isn't proud or impressed. He is horrified at what his son has become.
@@haanis5458 Andrew became what he wanted. He said that he wanted to be remembered even if he was to become a wrecked man.
Of course, only he and Fletcher could understand something like this.
And of course once he reaches his goals, Andrew might just think that it wasn't worth the sacrifice. Like the past Fletcher student who went suicidal.
In the script and by the directors words Nieman lost by returning to drum caravan. Sure he physically took control, but by performing one of the greatest drum solos of all time, Nieman became exactly what Fletcher wanted to create: the world's next Charlie Parker. In the scene before, Fletcher said it himself: "no man, the next Charlie Parker wouldn't be discouraged". And Nieman returning to drum proved him right. As his dad looks through the curtains at him the script reads "he looks at his son... He has lost". In the end, Fletcher gets what he wants and Nieman loses himself. The director and Teller both said in interviews that they imagined Andrew to die alone in his mid 30s after battling with drug addiction and depression. It might be what he said he wanted, but we can see Nieman in the movie begin to regret that before he performs at the end.
@@OllyFitton where does he seem to regret this? That is the only parte of your comment that I didn't manage to grasp. That would indeed change the fact that he achieves what he wants.
One major spoiler to the fact that maybe Andrew is goind down the wrong path is the death of the former Fletcher student btw.
@@matteocoda6368 so yeah the whole his other student dying is obviously significant. But in terms of the regret, after he is kicked out of chafer, we can see his improved relationship with his father as well as an attempt to reconnect with the girl he liked (obviously this failing showing that his addiction has caused him to lose that opportunity - i personally think this foreshadows what the director says about dying alone). I'm not sure regret is quite the right word to have used, I would rather explain that he was more secure and happier after leaving chafer despite his obvious disappointment. In any case, the film at least attempted to infer that his going back to drum was a bad thing, especially since in the script it was described as a loss.
This is one of the most beautiful movies ever. The twist was phenomenal. Then the ending, the dad looking through the door, and the fact that both Andrew and Fletcher won in the end was amazing. One of the best movies ever
Thank you for ruining the movie for me x
@@mrmoralman1 how did I ruin the movie? What? 🤣
@@Rr-rb9uv I'm just talking 💩!
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@@mrmoralman1 Then why did you click on the video...?
Every time Fletcher challenged Andrew he came back better. Like Charlie Parker you cannot be discouraged.
That’s the thing; that’s what Fletcher wanted.
@@paradoxpizzai mean does andrew doing what fletcher wantwd really that bad? he wants him in a twisted way to be a great musician and that's what eventually begot of this entire saga.
@@paperbackwriter19good point
The point of the movie is: is abuse justified if it lead you to success?
@@paperbackwriter19
Yes because what’s the point of being considered great if you’re suffering. The way he practicing is unhealthy and he’s probably going to have successful but short career never being truly happy
Now I know it was more of an instance of trying to psych drummer out, but I actually have walked on stage for performance and had brought the wrong sheet music. At that point you have to hope that you have it memorized well enough that you can bulshit your way through the whole thing. I managed to but I also made some mistakes while I played on stage because of the panic. I felt so bad for my group afterwards because they were all giving me looks.
well this is also different because fletcher says this is a new unfamiliar piece. Not only does the drummer not have the right sheet music, he doesn't know the piece either
this scene gave me so much dread for neiman its unbelievable
i remember an earlier line from fletcher to neimann saying how he wont let him sabotage his band, but fletcher does that exact thing here
except fletcher did not sabotage the band, he sabotaged neiman since he was the only one who didn't knew that they would be playing a new song, a song which neiman didn't even train for nor knew that it existed in the first place
0:24 Looks inspired by The Dark Knight opening
The Dark Drummer
A low angle city scale shot was around long before the dark Knight hahah
Thank god comic films are dead
You should watch more movies
Oh yeah, the Joker entrance while holding his mask before the bank robbery.
But if Andrew didn’t come back after the first song, would they have just played the rest of the songs without a drummer?
I think theirs a backup drummer
Fletcher was always 2 steps ahead. He most likely had someone
That still sounded good without a stable drumline.
True I still feel like he could of been more in line with the the instruments sort of Lead but also let the other section lead and just be the metronome some tings few
Crashes some soft snare hits a few rolls softly and not aggressively
I guess part of being a top-notch jazz musician is knowing how to wing it.😅 I assume Fletcher /didn't/ throw a cymbal at Neiman's head after this?
Not in a big band, and not as a drummer. You can "wing" a lead chart if you don't play lead and the chart has a standard structure, like AABA. Big band arrangements are exactly meant to sound more refined, more grandiose and less predictable. No way one could not end up like this on a big band gig with no chart and no knowledge of the tune.
3:17 that surprised face close-up 😧
That turn and look at 3:19, that’s the moment you just go “oh shhhiiiiiiii….!!!!!”
1:58 Fletcher looks very sinister.
I forget.. What was it that he knew?
neiman testified anonymously against fletcher on a case where he drove a prior student to suicide and it got him fired
@@girararagirarara2707 Thanks!
The funny thing is that, as someone who did music for a while, Niemann could've easily been so good that he looked at other people's scores and just Come Up with something. And he wouldn't have had to do that much to make it at least passable, especially if he was confident. This could have easily happened.
Not even, you just have to be in time, which for a drummer is the bread and butter of everything they do.
Any hit that doesn't land perfectly with the rest does not matter as long as it is in time, the audience will assume it is on purpose.
@@LesterBrunt The real trouble is that it's big band and you have to be confident and can't just Totally Improvise as such. But you can look at the sheets of a few people, come up with Something, and then play it with gusto and people will assume that the music was just shitty instead of the drummer.
Hey Carl Tanner, there goes your folder.
I hear a lot of people debate to whether Terrence actually knew that it was Andrew that snitched on him, but I actually don’t think he did. I mean, does anyone really think that this dude really has the power to break anywhere inside a place and steal confidential files or threaten someone into telling him who the "anonymous witness" is? Maybe he did, but I feel like that’s too far-fetched.
No, I think the way he found out was just by using fear alone. I mean, if it was Tanner or Ryan that he ran into that night and not Andrew, he probably said the same thing to them and they’d give a reaction of confusion therefore, he realizes that it wasn’t either of them. But with Andrew, you saw the look of fear on his face when Fletcher said that to him, and that’s all he needed to prove that his theory.
there's no reason to think he had to break in anywhere to find out, it could've been as simple as he had an old friend who could find out.
@@Slackow , no offense or anything….. But you really believe a guy like Fletcher has any friends? If anything, he’d probably have more enemies than friends.
@@osmanyousif7849 I mean yeah? He's hard on his students but there's no indication that he's like that to others. Remember the scene where he's talking with someone's daughter? It's pretty likely that that's his friends daughter.
I mean i think he could've deducted pretty easily that it was andrew after he tackled him to the ground
@@osmanyousif7849yeah people who have powerful friends tend to be assholes
The only thing tougher than playing without a rhythm section is playing with one that's completely off.
He forgot the Musical notes of the first guy in the first concert right ?😂
Remember you were in school and getting sick..... you felt like you being missed out homework assignment?
Fletcher reminds me of my fuckin father always trying to "Joe Jackson" me after being absent for most of my life, at least in this case Fletcher looked nothing like Neimann where I had my love of music mocked and perverted by a spitting image of myself 😡
I swear Terence Fletcher is the worst.
From a musician's pov, this 'trick' makes no sense.
As a drummer you can easily improvise since you can't play in the wrong scale.
And in the end, it is Fletcher's project, it is his reputation, if Andrew can't play the part that is Fletcher's mistake.
Was it a godfather reference?
“You broke my heart”
@@pmccartneychargedup, does Fletcher have one?
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This movie is so bogus, a great drummer could at least just keep time while all that’s going on a follow their ear he just shows a complete lack of ability in this moment than suddenly becomes buddy rich
I dont think thats how it works you cabt just magically know how to play a song. Especially when youve no idea what comes next or any queues or anything.
@@daragh9372 It really is not that hard as a drummer, you can't play an out of tune note. And there is a conductor, he gives all the ques.
That's ridiculous, nobody would do that on stage, setting traps for your own band.
This movie is so childish..
I think the point of his character is that he is ridiculously evil
That's why this is fiction
At least its not mark e smith....