One of the few problems I had with the movie. It makes the guy look extremely stupid and with his "medical condition" ... I don't see how he got selected for the band in the first place.
@NaomiE-mp8lx Exactly. I was a trumpet player in my Junior High School band and I memorized the songs. Hell, I still know how to play most of them nearly 2 decades later.
@NaomiE-mp8lx you do memorize songs, but you always read the music as professionals. but I guess you can go to al the orchestras in the world and start telling them to trash the sheets because you feel like they should go by memory xD put some padding on your ass first
Sound like my Chief Flight Instructor. He is gentle when it comes to kids but when it comes to adults or students, he is ruthless, even a madman if somethings goes wrong.
He literally risked the entire band’s performance, and his reputation with it, to try earth out the next great player. He took the folder and wanted to see the kid play it by memory under pressure with no guilt. Brutal.
@softest_kitten Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for anything he has ever done. He never does accept the blame. I would be sympathetic to his worldview if he did this. Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it. He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it. If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her. But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it. Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
this scene is about lame excuses, only that Fletcher knewing that found the oportunity to test the kid in competeition, look how he looks him all the time like a predator during the theme lol, it's like "I did that move to have you in this situation and getting away with it"
It’s kind of a military mentality. That’s why drill sergeants exist. It does toughen you up and make you more responsible or fear being unprepared. Is it worth the anxiety and mental health of the students? That’s the conflict the movie delves into
@andrewclark6822 he definitely crossed the line. But he also pushed his student to become potentially one of the next greats. Not saying that it was right, but he did accomplish that
I think he won't be hard on her and will just train her to a mediocre level, something like that. On the other hand, with these guys, he wanted to create a monster, a next Charlie Parker.
3:38 I can almost feel the chills go through that guy's whole body. I think everyone's had a moment in their life where they feel absolute terrifying dread thinking and hoping that what's happening isn't actually happening
Could have just as easily been testing Carl to push him to stop relying on the Sheet music, force his 'Charlie Parker' moment. At any rate if Fletcher took the folder he could've easily handed it back over and pretended its his spare.
@Beardboythegreat This is most likely the what he may have been doing. He may have took the folder initially as punishment for disregarding his warning about leaving folders laying around, but he probably also saw it as an opportunity to test Carl and push him. A fly or die moment. Also tanking the band for the sole sake of absolutely humiliating someone even at the risk of his own reputation is something he totally would do, considering that's exactly what he attempts to do to Nieman at the end of the film.
@Beardboythegreat the handing back part probably wouldn't work. Usually people who own music charts themselves -- especially a whole folder -- can easily tell its theirs even already assuming that they haven't wrote notes in their book already. But having said that, he definitely have written notes everywhere in the music sheets.
Tbh if Neiman didn't know the music by memory, Fletcher could still say that he was teaching them a lesson by stealing the folder and then give it back.
People keep smack-talking Bezos. The man's been retired from Amazon for 3 years. Cut him some slack. Go after the current CEO instead. He's actually far worse.
0:30 This is the most disturbing part of the movie in my opinion. Seeing Fletcher be all nice and friendly to that little girl is unnerving when you know that, if she did grow up to be in his band, he would be incredibly abusive to her just like he is to Andrew.
@jbc242424 idk man, some conductors do that, especially in jazz band. It's a sign of the trust he has in his players and their skill, my jazz director always walked away and trusted us to follow each others tempo and become one. It was wack sometimes but it's great way to form unity.
Fletcher really is the embodiment of every perfectionist nightmare music teacher/conductor I've ever seen or heard of. Thank fuck I never had to go through that
I've had to in highschool choir. Our choir instructor was a perfectionist who hammered us into a well oiled machine. He did it through rage and fear. When I was doing a tour of the school before applying (was a private school) I sat in on a rehearsal where the choir sang a beautiful rendition of Mozart's Lacrimosa...then the choir director told the entire choir "that was a mediocre performance" and I was ushered out. What followed was four years of the best of times and worst of times in a choir ran by a perfectionist with anger issues. But we sang beautifully at all of our performances to standing ovations.
for me and evmerging when we were young it was our gym teacher swearing at us throwing metal objects at us telling us to do 100 pushups while he ate a subway sitting on the floor.
When Neiman came in to play after his car crash, tracking blood all over the auditorium instead of going to the hospital, Fletcher fired him anyway, Pretty sure that is him not believing in his talent
@SOLOcan Based on the ending, you can see that Neiman only truly shined when he took control, even telling fletcher "I'll cue you in". It's also ambiguous whether or not fletcher was being petty or truly believed in Neiman when he invited him to the Jazz concert, but I think the latter makes more sense.
@anonymoususer638 If Neiman didn't end up challenging Fletcher do you think he would have found another way to push Neiman? No of course not. If that was the eventual outcome, Fletcher would be satisfied with destroying Neiman's music reputation and that would be the end of the story. However perhaps for Fletcher becoming the next great is contingent on overcoming adversity through direct confrontation of the teacher. There is no other way. Sure I can see that. However if Neiman, after having suffered another humiliation, commits suicide, do you think Fletcher will lie to other people about what happens? Of course he will, he already does that. Fletcher never takes ownership of any of the actions, he lies about his part in the suicide of his original protegee, abandons his current student when he becomes unstable despite the fact he did instead *proves* he has required dedication he is looking for, and he blames others when forced to confront his consequences, taking revenge on Neiman for telling the truth I'll now reframe the question, do you think Fletcher wants the next Buddy Rich, or do you rather think that Fletcher wants to be the teacher of the next buddy rich? When Neiman realised it would take everything to become great he breaks up with his current girlfriend. What's important however is when he does he doesn't come up with some fake excuse that he's really doing it to protect Nicole. He's brutally honest, Nicole will hold him back. Neiman trying embodies Fletchers philosophy. Yes he hurt Nicole, but he doesn't shy away from what that makes him look like, he completly acknowledges he's a dick, he takes ownership of that. The only thing that matters is the music, it doesn't matter what people think of him. If destroying people is what it takes to create the next great, then so be it, but Fletcher doesn't want that. Fletcher should say, yes I caused Casey to commit suicide, yes I infact I do abuse my students. That is the cost, it will be worth it. But when it's time for him to personally pay the cost he avoids this duty. Is he willing to give up his reputation as the teacher of the next great? No, he is only willing to take on that mantle after Neiman becomes the great. Fletcher is just a coward.
For everyone saying Fletcher took the folder, I can see your reasoning. But please, entertain another theory: "Mini-Me" took it and used it for toilet paper to then be delivered post haste in a post credit scene we were never given.
The whole concept of "competitive music" is completely ridiculous, obviously in real life a band director like Fletcher would just cause the students to quit rather than improve. But in a movie context it's thrilling to experience
I could not agree more. Even in this video you can see they are rarely - if ever - looking at the conductor. A choir/ensemble would never succeed as such, ppl terrified and glued to their sheet music with fingers shaking
The most disturbing part of this whole movie in my opinion is seeing Fletcher talking to that little girl about joining his band when she's older. Knowing what Fletcher's like behind closed doors and how his abusive and mentally destructive behaviour caused one of his past students to commit suicide, and eventually Andrew's in the future, it's disgusting to put that dream into her head when you know what he could put her through when she grows up and plays for him. I like to think Fletcher is thinking at that point, "Once you're old enough, I'm gonna javelin throw a fucking clarinet at your head to push you beyond your limits".
That's how legends made , you need to step out of your comfort zone , and if some one abuses you out of your precious comfort zone you'll reach the highest possible, i mean you can always quit if you to comfortable to step out of it
The way Fletcher gives Neiman the unblinking, unflinching death stare during the first measures of his performance will always give me chills. As someone who performed for a perfectionist band leader, I can totally relate.
This is exactly how all of my compulsory course teachers stare at me when I was in middle and high school....I can't count how many times I was insulted by those ppl
I'm happy that JK started taking more powerful roles with such depth. His range is unbelievable while he manages to make every role he ever plays absolutely believable. He's one of the greatest of my time.
@IntergaIactico I don’t think he knew that Andrew knew it, it was him testing Andrew’s commitment (if he learned it by heart or not) + punishing the core member fucking up by leaving it on a chair.
I had always wondered about this (this is one of my favorite movies ever) and can't believe I didn't see the obvious answer right in front of my face! thanks
6:09 I love this moment because you can tell by Fletcher's facial expression that he knows he won't have to worry as much about Neiman for the duration of the song.
@blablabla1000able @hylianro It's illegal to copy music, even if you bought the originals (Not that people don't copy music anyway.). So, in this case, you would need to buy spares, which is not cheap (though maybe to these people it wouldn't be much). Musicians (at least where I studied) are taught to be extremely careful with original copies, especially since some directors are strict about not copying music so as to avoid legal issues.
One thing I enjoyed about this movie is you actually see what conductors do for a living - as in, arranging the entire piece of music, recruiting the right musicians, and then training them to play it. Standing on stage, waving the baton, is just the end point. I thought that was the entire job😂
@randomix4023 You know I've heard some claim that the Conductor isn't needed if the musicians know it all well enough etc, but I'm still of the opinion your view is correct.
@Retro-FutureLand I've been in a school orchestra playing accordion and our teacher was the conductor. I knew very well the play from memory, but the teacher with his hands gave me the volume I should play the accordion. Imagine a major orchestra and everyone player playing in his own tune...it would sound like a smurf orchestra. tra la la la la la la 🤣🤣This is why the conductor is a key role to a well played music.
I introduced this movie to my parents. They were often skeptical about movies we watched, and talked and laughed throughout. When this started, they got quiet and sat attentively throughout the entire movie. That tells you how engaging, tense and well crafted it really is.
I can watch and re-watch many films...but THIS isn't one of them. Too stressful! A real kind of Horror film that shows you that evil can be a band director!
@Dottie1039 He's not just evil though, you understand him. He's like a pro sports coach, he has to wring the best out of his students, but it's tough to watch.
@chrisbarron6157 Honestly, at that point I'm so hooked by the movie emotionally that I don't care. Everything in a movie doesn't have to make perfect logical sense if it elicits the right emotional response.
@chrisbarron6157 the way I looked at it, it wasn't about logic at that point for him but about perfection. He already lost the rep when he got fired and wasn't the big bad anymore. He was willing to do that to prove something I think. A mental battle between the bat shit crazy perfectionist abusive master and the driver but also crazy and abused student.
Can confirm…I’ve tried to change channels with a calculator several times throughout my life. The results were less than satisfactory so I just ate a toy soldier then dumped a bowl of cereal on my head 🤷♂️
I like to believe that Andrew hid the folder on purpose, knowing that Tanner can't play without it, it's not impossible that Andrew planned this from the start so that Fletcher would let him play
The likelihood of Fletcher stealing the folder is actually pretty damn high if you think about it. Those folders really only serve THIS purpose, so a thief would get NOTHING out of stealing one. And this is a musical competition. If another musician accidentally grabbed the folder, they would have returned to try to rectify the situation or turned the folder into the judges/their band director to avoid a shitstorm. No, whoever took that folder WANTED it to vanish at that exact moment.
Nowadays tweakers will take literally anything, break into any building, etc. But the movie was made back in the day where that wasn't the case. So I think you are right.
If Fletcher did take the folder then i would like to see that scene. Fletcher must've been very close, watching, probably predicted he'd leave the folder on the chair to buy something from the vending machine. Fletcher then with his perfect timing, swiftly snatched the folder and smoothly ran to the quickest exit. Or maybe he came in from the ceiling attached to a wire like a jewel thief.
The biggest laugh this movie gets out of me is when Fletcher is speaking so sweetly to the little girl and old student, then walks in the room and his first words are “listen up cocksuckers!”
Honestly it should be the most chilling. At this point we all know who this man is. To see him now put on such a sweet..... facade... AND knowing exactly what trauma would surely await that little girl in a couple years if she indeed did step foot in band.... scary.
@RollOnToVictory Well, to be fair, we don’t know which “personality” is the true facade. I know a lot of guys in the military who worked as drill sergeants, and they can be the biggest dick head pieces of shit you’ve ever met, but in reality they’re super chill and nice. Maybe his brutal side is the actual facade he uses to bring out the real talent from his incredibly awarded school.
people mistakenly see this scene as the characters coming to understand accept each other, but really its just Fletch happy that he molded someone into being a vessel for him.
@Mayhzon Nieman's dream of playing music was perniciously supplanted by an obsession to ingratiate himself with Fletcher, who turns Nieman's ambition into addiction through various abuse tactics. So strong is Nieman's dependency on Fletcher's approval that he ends up becoming completely tractable, which is exactly the outcome that an abuser like Fletcher is looking for. Fletcher's insidious manipulation inculcates in Nieman an unflagging determination to prove himself at any expense. We see the toll that this takes on Nieman's mental health, and we see how little regard he has for his own wellbeing in the pursuit of seeking validation from Fletcher. Nieman also begins mirroring Fletcher's vituperative attitude and projecting his anger onto his family as a coping mechanism. Nieman now plays music not because of passion, but of obsequiousness. It's heartbreaking to watch his spirit corrode away, chasing the ephemeral high of receiving praise from his abuser. This is made worse by the fact that Fletcher's praise is completely hollow; he doesn't care about Nieman's feelings, he just cares about turning him into the next Sean Casey. By doling out measured doses of laudation amidst the psychological torture, Fletcher keeps Nieman hooked. It's a carrot-and-stick approach to ensuring that Nieman keeps pushing himself even further. The praise that Fletcher gives him is, truthfully, no less abusive than the disparagement. Fletcher simply views Nieman as a product, something that he can malleabalize and then mould into his star pupil. He views both Sean Casey and Nieman as fungible, not caring about them as individuals but simply as vessels to inject himself into. Nieman is merely a means to an end for Fletcher to achieve his own dream, resulting in a toxic symbiosis between the two. Therein lies the tragedy of Whiplash.
Yeah for those still skeptical, think of it like this. Fletcher specifically mentioned not to leave these folders around and from a filmic standpoint, especially with a critically acclaimed film like this, it wasn’t a coincidence for the director to have the folder to go missing and have literally the most bat shit crazy tell his band NOT to lose it. The “why did he do it” however, is completely up to interpretation.
Oh the why is simple to understand in my opinion, it's not really a matter of interpretation. We discover throughout the movie that to Fletcher, finding his prodigy was more important than whatever reputation he had. Just another instance of pushing people cause that's the only way to reveal what's truly inside. He talks about this repeatedly. He saw an opportunity and took it. If Neiman didn't step up, eventually the folder would have been found before they went on stage. Pretty safe gamble with a huge potential reward. =)
Exactly. Teaching a retard to use a calculator is a super kind thing to do. This guy is actually helping these kids more than 90% of teachers. Truly a perfect role model.
True. But it’s worth it if you finish it whole with no skips because it sometimes resonates life. Gotta go through gruesome shit and you can’t even skip some parts of your life
It's so surreal hearing JK Simmons swear. In most of his appearances I've seen, he's pretty tame, language-wise. Even in his most unhinged moments as Cave Johnson, he never goes beyond "ass" or "damn." I kinda like seeing him act so off-the-wall here.
I always had this theory that Neiman never really messed up the tempo in whiplash like fletcher was saying he was. In the end with that whole "good job" scene and Charlie Parker story, it becomes immensely clear that Neiman always had the talent, Fletcher knew it and just wanted to push him (like how Parker was pushed). I also believe that it was Fletcher who took the folder, to afford Neiman the opportunity he was so desperately craving. He knew he was practicing that same song everyday after their first meeting. He knew Neiman knew it by heart, he didn't have to ask, just wanted to see the level of confidence he had in a high stress situation. Brilliant writing.
3:56 I don’t know how to explain it but this split second of silence is so haunting because there’s just this dread feeling of what’s to come from Fletchers wrath. I can’t imagine the amount of fear I’d have
My favorite one is where he's roasting that chubby kid that's looking down at his feet, and he says something along the lines of, "Why are you looking down there? There are no Mars bars down there."
"You lost the folder?" - Fletcher "I know a thing or two, because I've seen a thing or two." - Neiman ".....Get the F%#$ out of here Neiman! You are done."
As someone in the military, when you lose something incredibly important, a lot of people will take that item and make it seem like another lower level person took it. It’s safe for me to assume that Fletcher indeed took the folder in order to compensate Neiman’s desire to play and by taking the folder, engaging that opportunity for Neiman to play without any notes whatsoever and by pure memory. Purely malicious for sure but very interesting to see this shown in film.
I was just thinking about how, despite having nothing to do with the military, this movie and the way the characters behave are very reminiscent of the way soldiers act.
Gear adrift was what I always heard it labeled…I left a PC laying around once in the TOC, not at my desk, and it somehow got stolen, and a large penis drawn on the care instructions label. Ahh, the military…good times.
I was in the Army only 3 years, 80-83. In Germany, the 3rd Infantry didn't play games like that they just prepared for war and where a fighting machine. However, back in the states, I was in the 1st Cav. They where nothing but a crap show. In WW2 they got their butts kicked so bad, they lost their colors. Anyway, since then, they where what we call an inspection ready unit. They constantly prepared and prepped for inspections, not war readiness. They also played silly games too like when someone leaves something even for a few seconds and some Officer or Officer kiss butt can swipe it, they would and give it to the Colonel and the person that got it swiped and his next in command would have to go see the Colonel to go get it.
One thing we can learn from this film/clip is that an abusive authority figure trickles-down throughout the organization. Whether it's a company president, department manager, team coach/captain, or the father/mother of a family... when the leader is abusive, everyone down the totem-pole tends to treat THEIR subordinates abusively. This is actually a very important lesson which society does not yet pay enough attention to.
Funny enough the same thing can be seen in blazing saddles, except in reverse. We keep moving up the totem pole, and each person seems like a leader until you meet their boss and realize they’re an incompetent moron
@sneekiersnek3122 I'm all for 'tough love'. We SHOULD hold students/children to higher standards -- you can be strict with them and demanding absolutely. But name calling? hurling insults? degrading and demeaning them? Making fun of someone for being gay? Coming down hard on a student who is bloodied, who just went through a horrific car accident because he was late? This is Trump-style cruelty. He totally ravaged that one fat kid who ended up committing suicide, and for what? He wasn't even the one who was out of tune, right? This is what's called abusiveness. The only person who 'benefits' from it is Fletcher's own ego, and dark inner desire to hurt others who are subordinate to him. This is the kind of authoritarian abusiveness that happens in low-class families (like Trump supporters). And it only serves to destroy... destroy relationships, lives, spirits, souls. It's the kind of thing that can destroy the world if we let it be 'ok'.
The scene at 3:50 when he starts freaking out on the other dude for losing the sheet music folder, reminds me of a big brother that is about to get into trouble for something the little brother did. I remember those days my brother would yell at me like that too lmao 🤣
I thought it goes to show how abuse patterns spread through victims. Tanner blames Andrew and shows him a similar wrath as Fletcher would show both of them, out of the fear of feeling that exact wrath himself.
0:28 don't worry Little Girl's Dad, the trauma she will be discussing with her shrink when she's in her 30s won't be stemming from you or her childhood.
I didn't see no Janitor, I see the guy calling him a dumb f**k probably took it and quickly threw in the garbage before yelling at him because he was sick of playing drums.
The best part about this movie which is lost to a lot of people is the part where Fletcher is playing Jazz in the club and doing a really poor job of it. It's the most milk toast bland thing you can do and he is playing as if he is soulful. Fletcher embodies the phrase "Those who can't do, teach."
I think that saying is under rated. Those who teach give those with talent the opportunity to rise above. If not for those who can appreciate true genius, but cannot achieve the level required, there would be little achievement, for those who do not have the opportunity, but are gifted. My eternal respect for those who teach, push for perfection, lacking the gift, but understanding the necessity for perfection.
Having not seen the film, and only seeing this scene, I believe Fletcher took the folder to see if the owner had the balls to be honest and admit they fucked up, rather than try to hide it. It's clear from his reaction that he did not expect Neiman to say he knew it off by heart and was testing the other guy, hoping the experience and dressing down would teach him not to rely on the sheet music or at least, to not leave it lying around and give it to someone else as his calm, yet assertive demeanour and delivery of the calculator line makes it clear he was expecting the owner of the music to fess up, but not Neiman's interjection.
I never thought of this scene like that, good point! It fits the movie much better than "Fletcher just wanted to see protagonist as a main drummer" one. Did you see the film, btw?
The line "get the fuck out of my sight before I demolish you" is one of my favorites
I can still see u minimi
Im gonna use this one day, just havent had the opportune moment
You should use this line on a UFC fighter.
kinda scary hearing it from Omni-Man
@bellboi9211 okay boomer.
My batshit-crazy instructor just told me to never leave the folder laying around. It's probably a good idea to give it to my competitor.
One of the few problems I had with the movie.
It makes the guy look extremely stupid and with his "medical condition" ... I don't see how he got selected for the band in the first place.
@NaomiE-mp8lx Exactly. I was a trumpet player in my Junior High School band and I memorized the songs. Hell, I still know how to play most of them nearly 2 decades later.
@Soldier4USA2005 he was a pawn to inspire his real protege
@NaomiE-mp8lx you do memorize songs, but you always read the music as professionals. but I guess you can go to al the orchestras in the world and start telling them to trash the sheets because you feel like they should go by memory xD put some padding on your ass first
Last time I played in my high school band was 2010 and still have the majority of the song memorized just from practicing it so much
i picture that little girl's older self banging on the wall, telling her younger self not to join his band, interstellar style.
Underrated
😂😂😂
this is one of the funniest comments ive ever seen
I mean, he was fired. So I doubt she ended up under him.
lmaoooooo HAAANK HANK DON'T JOIN FLETCHER'S BAND HAAAAAANK!!
He's just mad because no one has given him any decent Spiderman pictures in a while.
Nah, he just knew a few hours ago about the return of Terminator
Or the same haircut...
Or he hasn't figured out how to pour his mind into a computer before he dies.
I made this comment 3 years ago and didn’t get a like
PARKER!!! PARKER!!!😡😡😡
JK Simmons just being yoked out of his mind in his mid 60s absolute legend
Crazy to think my man's still gonna play J Jonah Jameson for the rest of his career
Yoked?
@jskrabac that's what betas think when they see someone who isn't a twig or obese.
@jZamora87 Damn I didn't know guys still unironically used the word beta post 2016 🤔
@jskrabac you could say j garcia is probably slightly "yoked", the yoke goes to the head ya know
The transition from giving the little girl a high-five to “LISTEN UP
C--KSUCKERS” was gold
Did...did you just censor yourself?
The door was still open, so the little girl could've totally heard lol
Sound like my Chief Flight Instructor. He is gentle when it comes to kids but when it comes to adults or students, he is ruthless, even a madman if somethings goes wrong.
@botandrew1And my drill sergeant at Fort Knox. Haha
Lmao
After a nervous breakdown, the drummer ended up becoming a mass weapons manufacturer for the US government
Dealer, not manufacturer.
@georgeofhamilton haha you’re right on that - thanks for the catch
Then he started partying with Teens.....
ONTHEKAISEN We don’t like to remember that part of him.
Lmfaooo
0:31 I like this part because it shows how so many bullies like fletcher unfortunately can mask their malice so well and be incredibly charismatic.
As with literally any other person. Most people, in fact.
@0shronksbut fletcher is a bully and that’s what he symbolizes in this scene
Not everyone is deserving of respect
@Dagger271Kunironically most people who say this aren’t respectable
I think Fletcher is not a bully, just goes hard with what he likes and besides music he is normal, nice
I love how throughout the movie, you see them playing these fun songs, but their expressions are so dead and/or tense.
Fletcher managed to take the soul out of Soul
Me in most of high school band in general
welcome to concert band music
They've gotta be all in sync, no room for a good head bang haha
been guy music isn't easy, especially in front of judges.
He literally risked the entire band’s performance, and his reputation with it, to try earth out the next great player. He took the folder and wanted to see the kid play it by memory under pressure with no guilt. Brutal.
I didn't realize that he took the folder....I am a "retard with a calculator."
Agreed.
what's earth out mean?
@PhyroMcBruceEsq It means to uncover
@PhyroMcBruceEsq Eek out, stem out, unearth, or quite simply, to discover.
"The folder is YOUR fuckin' responsibility"
FINALLY. I hate it when characters who had nothing to do with it get the blame for shit like that.
Then you didn't listen. Fletcher demolished both at the same time with a few sentences
@Keptaro Demolished? He's talking about blame, he didn't blame him for losing it.
@softest_kitten Fletcher himself never takes responsibility for anything he has ever done. He never does accept the blame. I would be sympathetic to his worldview if he did this.
Maybe Fletcher is right, and there is a jazz musician out there that only could become a Miles Davis through his abusive teaching style. However when confronted with the consequences of his actions, he denies it.
He lies to his class about why his previous student dies, and when he is fired from the school he blames Neiman, even though out of all his students Neiman is the one who might might have made it all worth it.
If Neiman had to give up everything to become the greatest he showed he is willing to accept that. He broke up with Nicole once he realised this, what's more he fully acknowledged it, not appealling to any fake motivation such as trying to protect her.
But when Fletcher is faced with the same dilemma, having to confront the cost, he turns it on other's and actively tries to punish the people who force him to confront it.
Fletcher only speakes of why his methods are justified, but they're just words. Ultimately this makes him a coward.
nothing to do with it?
this scene is about lame excuses, only that Fletcher knewing that found the oportunity to test the kid in competeition, look how he looks him all the time like a predator during the theme lol, it's like "I did that move to have you in this situation and getting away with it"
0:38 no little girl don't !!!
not quite my tempo
???
He Is a monster @I_am_a_cat_
MUDOMUDOMUDOMUDOMUDOMUDOMUDO @yugiashabeats-y8b
Matthew McConaughey beating the bookshelf in funny astronaut suit
Clearly this school doesn’t have an anti-bullying policy
They actually low-key encourage bullying
Anti-bullying policies are the greatest tool bullies have ever been given.
No shit
It’s kind of a military mentality. That’s why drill sergeants exist. It does toughen you up and make you more responsible or fear being unprepared. Is it worth the anxiety and mental health of the students? That’s the conflict the movie delves into
Anti-bullying policy doesn't teach the victim much about how to handle bullies in adult life.
The amount of anxiety each and every clip of this movie gives me...
Feel like he’s personally shouting at me
I mean right holy shit and I got used to getting yelled at by a drill sergeant, but this guys attitude and look, and aura is on a whole other level!!!
@dudechill4119 yeah i wouldn't put up with that. It's uncalled for imo
@andrewclark6822 he definitely crossed the line. But he also pushed his student to become potentially one of the next greats. Not saying that it was right, but he did accomplish that
I literally just said the same thing to myself whilst watching this clip. 😆
I don’t think eva knows what she’s gonna get in to
I think he won't be hard on her and will just train her to a mediocre level, something like that. On the other hand, with these guys, he wanted to create a monster, a next Charlie Parker.
She's entering a world of pain and she doesn't even know what pain is
Doesn’t matter because Andrew actually saved that little girl by getting Fletcher fired.
He was being duplicitous.
@catcat6707 And why do you think that, Captain Dipshit?
3:38 I can almost feel the chills go through that guy's whole body. I think everyone's had a moment in their life where they feel absolute terrifying dread thinking and hoping that what's happening isn't actually happening
You're cringe
_"Where were you? Looking for a folder? You're fired!"_
_"Sir. The Conservatory Competition."_
_"Oh, right. You're unfired. I need ya. Come here!"_
"I'm gonna to get my engineers to invent a combustible drum set, that BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN!"
"Your power is due any day son"
They probably had pizza time after the conpetition.
The timelines are getting a bit intertwined here it seems
"Whaddya know about the track Whiplash?"
"Oh well I-.."
"Ehh don't answer that."
If the theory is true that Fletcher took the folder, then that was a high gamble on Fletcher's part to believe Neiman would remember the music.
High risk high reward. Sounds like Fletcher to me.
Could have just as easily been testing Carl to push him to stop relying on the Sheet music, force his 'Charlie Parker' moment. At any rate if Fletcher took the folder he could've easily handed it back over and pretended its his spare.
@Beardboythegreat This is most likely the what he may have been doing. He may have took the folder initially as punishment for disregarding his warning about leaving folders laying around, but he probably also saw it as an opportunity to test Carl and push him. A fly or die moment.
Also tanking the band for the sole sake of absolutely humiliating someone even at the risk of his own reputation is something he totally would do, considering that's exactly what he attempts to do to Nieman at the end of the film.
@Beardboythegreat the handing back part probably wouldn't work. Usually people who own music charts themselves -- especially a whole folder -- can easily tell its theirs even already assuming that they haven't wrote notes in their book already. But having said that, he definitely have written notes everywhere in the music sheets.
Tbh if Neiman didn't know the music by memory, Fletcher could still say that he was teaching them a lesson by stealing the folder and then give it back.
This is how Jeff bezos act when Amazon workers ask for a bathroom break
Don't you have a "no disparagement" clause in your contract?
People keep smack-talking Bezos. The man's been retired from Amazon for 3 years. Cut him some slack.
Go after the current CEO instead. He's actually far worse.
You're a bathroom break
@Conan_the_Based
Bezos fake account...
@Conan_the_Based Conan the Bezos
0:30 This is the most disturbing part of the movie in my opinion. Seeing Fletcher be all nice and friendly to that little girl is unnerving when you know that, if she did grow up to be in his band, he would be incredibly abusive to her just like he is to Andrew.
😂
“I swear to fucking god, I will stop being so polite- get the FUCK out of my sight before I demolish you.”
"I could still fucking see you mini me"
Omni man moment
@rat_b Someone HAS to have animated that by now, I seriously hope someone has 😂
@OfficialKryptykTV LOL
But he was never polite.
JK Simmons as Fletcher will go down in history as one of the greatest acting performances in film history. He was absolutely electric
Find clips of his voice over for the video game Half Life, Portal 2; he’s effing hilarious.
Na his performance as J.jonah jameson in spiderman tops this
@Ebbystein no not even close look his spiderman role was great but in terms of actual acting This was/is his Best he's ever acted.
Agreed. He just has absolutely no clue how to conduct. It's cringeworthy. They made up for it by having him just walk around and nod his head.
@jbc242424 idk man, some conductors do that, especially in jazz band. It's a sign of the trust he has in his players and their skill, my jazz director always walked away and trusted us to follow each others tempo and become one. It was wack sometimes but it's great way to form unity.
Fletcher really is the embodiment of every perfectionist nightmare music teacher/conductor I've ever seen or heard of. Thank fuck I never had to go through that
I've had to in highschool choir. Our choir instructor was a perfectionist who hammered us into a well oiled machine. He did it through rage and fear.
When I was doing a tour of the school before applying (was a private school) I sat in on a rehearsal where the choir sang a beautiful rendition of Mozart's Lacrimosa...then the choir director told the entire choir "that was a mediocre performance" and I was ushered out.
What followed was four years of the best of times and worst of times in a choir ran by a perfectionist with anger issues. But we sang beautifully at all of our performances to standing ovations.
D DOG Honeslty Fletcher needed the cops called on him more than anything. dude is a psychopath.
for me and evmerging when we were young it was our gym teacher swearing at us throwing metal objects at us telling us to do 100 pushups while he ate a subway sitting on the floor.
It sucks the joy out of music there by defeating the purpose
I grew up learning under a Fletcher. She was an old lady but watching this movie I felt how she was the same person as Fletcher
0:35 just signed a deal w the devil 😭
I know he's supposed to be unsettling, but the calculator line gets me every time.
It’s fucken hilarious, like who cane up with that.
I use it as an insult against people every now and than
And the Sanjay Gupta one too, that was hilarious.
I just burst out laughing at that part
First time I watched that scene I laughed so hard I almost blacked out. It's now a regular part of my vocabulary.
Fletcher actually never stopped believing in Neiman's talent. He forged it like a diamond, but at a very hard price.
When Neiman came in to play after his car crash, tracking blood all over the auditorium instead of going to the hospital, Fletcher fired him anyway,
Pretty sure that is him not believing in his talent
@SOLOcan talent doesn't really mean much when you have a fucked up hand and probably a few broken ribs..
@anonymoususer638 But why stop teaching him?
@SOLOcan Based on the ending, you can see that Neiman only truly shined when he took control, even telling fletcher "I'll cue you in". It's also ambiguous whether or not fletcher was being petty or truly believed in Neiman when he invited him to the Jazz concert, but I think the latter makes more sense.
@anonymoususer638 If Neiman didn't end up challenging Fletcher do you think he would have found another way to push Neiman?
No of course not. If that was the eventual outcome, Fletcher would be satisfied with destroying Neiman's music reputation and that would be the end of the story.
However perhaps for Fletcher becoming the next great is contingent on overcoming adversity through direct confrontation of the teacher. There is no other way. Sure I can see that.
However if Neiman, after having suffered another humiliation, commits suicide, do you think Fletcher will lie to other people about what happens? Of course he will, he already does that.
Fletcher never takes ownership of any of the actions, he lies about his part in the suicide of his original protegee, abandons his current student when he becomes unstable despite the fact he did instead *proves* he has required dedication he is looking for, and he blames others when forced to confront his consequences, taking revenge on Neiman for telling the truth
I'll now reframe the question, do you think Fletcher wants the next Buddy Rich, or do you rather think that Fletcher wants to be the teacher of the next buddy rich?
When Neiman realised it would take everything to become great he breaks up with his current girlfriend. What's important however is when he does he doesn't come up with some fake excuse that he's really doing it to protect Nicole. He's brutally honest, Nicole will hold him back. Neiman trying embodies Fletchers philosophy. Yes he hurt Nicole, but he doesn't shy away from what that makes him look like, he completly acknowledges he's a dick, he takes ownership of that. The only thing that matters is the music, it doesn't matter what people think of him.
If destroying people is what it takes to create the next great, then so be it, but Fletcher doesn't want that. Fletcher should say, yes I caused Casey to commit suicide, yes I infact I do abuse my students. That is the cost, it will be worth it.
But when it's time for him to personally pay the cost he avoids this duty. Is he willing to give up his reputation as the teacher of the next great? No, he is only willing to take on that mantle after Neiman becomes the great.
Fletcher is just a coward.
For everyone saying Fletcher took the folder, I can see your reasoning. But please, entertain another theory: "Mini-Me" took it and used it for toilet paper to then be delivered post haste in a post credit scene we were never given.
This made me laugh WAY too hard!!!
Mini me, really.
Canon!
He could easily sneak by and had a motive, well done
The sequel : Mini-me revenge
1:28 Mystery solved of what happened to Tanner's folder, Fletcher took it
Wow, the biggest clue was staring right at us this whole time!
@a1.ghost.😅
Mystery of the century solved right here 😂
@a1.ghost.and another one when Tanner tells Fletcher that he knows about his condition
What? How? @1:28 was not even close to when the folder actually went missing
The Farmers guy has really become scary and mean.
I wouldn't wanna see a thing or two with him.
Emilio Del Pozohahaah I see what you did
Because he may know a thing or two
its from those years he spent in Emerald City
YESSIR LMAO
😂😂😂
So this is what Omniman does in his free time
And J. Jonah Jameson. Don’t forget Frank Dillman.
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS
@white_brownie96 this planet isn’t YOURS to conquer
Is what he was training the Thraxans for
Cave johnson is a little more harsh with his language nowadays
Music isn't created out of fear, but out of passion.
passion can be scary
And Andrew's passion was stronger than his fear of Fletcher
The whole concept of "competitive music" is completely ridiculous, obviously in real life a band director like Fletcher would just cause the students to quit rather than improve. But in a movie context it's thrilling to experience
Passionate fear.
I could not agree more. Even in this video you can see they are rarely - if ever - looking at the conductor. A choir/ensemble would never succeed as such, ppl terrified and glued to their sheet music with fingers shaking
So that's why my TV don't turn on...
The most disturbing part of this whole movie in my opinion is seeing Fletcher talking to that little girl about joining his band when she's older.
Knowing what Fletcher's like behind closed doors and how his abusive and mentally destructive behaviour caused one of his past students to commit suicide, and eventually Andrew's in the future, it's disgusting to put that dream into her head when you know what he could put her through when she grows up and plays for him.
I like to think Fletcher is thinking at that point,
"Once you're old enough, I'm gonna javelin throw a fucking clarinet at your head to push you beyond your limits".
Fr, no one talks about this but it is disturbing.
Andrew is kinda thinking that... Or at least that's what it looks like.
That's how legends made , you need to step out of your comfort zone , and if some one abuses you out of your precious comfort zone you'll reach the highest possible, i mean you can always quit if you to comfortable to step out of it
He probably won’t even recruit her based on her being a girl, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the band is a sausage fest lol.
@tai2664I’m pretty sure Andrew was gaining hood that he’s a good person but ofc…
But andrew didn't die though. The director stated he would have envisioned andrew dying from a drug overdose but that didn't happen
The way Fletcher gives Neiman the unblinking, unflinching death stare during the first measures of his performance will always give me chills. As someone who performed for a perfectionist band leader, I can totally relate.
I can relate. That stare hit me hard, man.
This is exactly how all of my compulsory course teachers stare at me when I was in middle and high school....I can't count how many times I was insulted by those ppl
I was never first chair but I was a troublemaker, so I got the stare nonetheless.
Advice for anyone who hasn't gone through this yet... You stare back.
You can’t relate because this is a film and not real life
I have never felt so anxious listening to jazz than when watching this movie.
You have obviously never been kidnapped and held ransom by 1920s gangsters
@GirDooom That is really oddly specific...
@VasilyCheMusic his username
@GirDooom Yo. We gotta talk about your username.
@GirDooom aye you good G?
3:22 Me drinking the Mug Root Beer that makes my folder disappear
I'm happy that JK started taking more powerful roles with such depth. His range is unbelievable while he manages to make every role he ever plays absolutely believable. He's one of the greatest of my time.
I loved him in The Accountant.
@markw3598
Came here to say this -
I know him from "Oz"...
@Bad Lieutenant thanks, I'll look that one up
I still see him as the Oz character by default until he opens his mouth
Fletcher took the folder.
Yes, and he definitely knew Andrew knows it by heart, he wanted him on the set but didn’t want him to think he earned the part.
Ik who else would ?
@IntergaIactico I don’t think he knew that Andrew knew it, it was him testing Andrew’s commitment (if he learned it by heart or not) + punishing the core member fucking up by leaving it on a chair.
I had always wondered about this (this is one of my favorite movies ever) and can't believe I didn't see the obvious answer right in front of my face! thanks
Remember it’s a competition as well. I can see some snotty competitors stealing it. Who knows.
6:09 I love this moment because you can tell by Fletcher's facial expression that he knows he won't have to worry as much about Neiman for the duration of the song.
I kinda like he understands Fletch, like he's not phased by his threats, because he understands as keeping the status quo, he sees right past it
ruclips.net/video/S9kKees55Oo/video.html
🤓
@juliocabrera2567 What?
@PrinceFloof Don't acknowledge them. You give a keyboard to a fucking retard he's gonna try to type emojis with it.
4:39 WAIT….You’re serious😂
Every time he starts yelling I feel an urge to go get him pictures of Spider-Man…
He used a pen to burn a swastika on the last guy's butt cheek so I don't blame you for not wanting to piss him off
@jrobbin24clicked on this reply expecting an Oz reference and was not disappointed
An ensemble director losing his shit over abandoned music folders is probably the most accurate thing about this movie 😂
lol but what else did you expect from the drummers?
@ThinkHarderPlz underrated comment
Why don't they have spare copies?
@blablabla1000ablethis is an issue I've seen all the time in the workplace. People either consider making extras or they don't 😂
@blablabla1000able @hylianro It's illegal to copy music, even if you bought the originals (Not that people don't copy music anyway.). So, in this case, you would need to buy spares, which is not cheap (though maybe to these people it wouldn't be much). Musicians (at least where I studied) are taught to be extremely careful with original copies, especially since some directors are strict about not copying music so as to avoid legal issues.
I love how this isn't intended as a comedy, but it's honestly one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
It's not.
It's really, really not.
@RemingtonDean Agreed. It really is not a comedy. If it doesn't invoke feelings of anger and elation, then, something was missed.
I, personally, could never take someone so angry seriously.. but the movie is fantastic. Loved it.
He’s exactly like my mother shit ain’t funny to me
@RemingtonDean Well that's it then. Science has proven non of this can be funny.
"You know Whiplash by heart?"
"Yes Sir, every quote."
Cold
One thing I enjoyed about this movie is you actually see what conductors do for a living - as in, arranging the entire piece of music, recruiting the right musicians, and then training them to play it. Standing on stage, waving the baton, is just the end point. I thought that was the entire job😂
I never knew either lmao
Oh yeah being an actual conductor that gives a shit about perfection is a tough job. Waving a baton is for show
with out an conductor, the Lincoln Center Orchestra will sound like the Smurf Orchestra
@randomix4023 You know I've heard some claim that the Conductor isn't needed if the musicians know it all well enough etc, but I'm still of the opinion your view is correct.
@Retro-FutureLand I've been in a school orchestra playing accordion and our teacher was the conductor. I knew very well the play from memory, but the teacher with his hands gave me the volume I should play the accordion. Imagine a major orchestra and everyone player playing in his own tune...it would sound like a smurf orchestra. tra la la la la la la 🤣🤣This is why the conductor is a key role to a well played music.
“I will stop being so polite” had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣
I introduced this movie to my parents. They were often skeptical about movies we watched, and talked and laughed throughout. When this started, they got quiet and sat attentively throughout the entire movie. That tells you how engaging, tense and well crafted it really is.
I can watch and re-watch many films...but THIS isn't one of them. Too stressful! A real kind of Horror film that shows you that evil can be a band director!
@Dottie1039 He's not just evil though, you understand him. He's like a pro sports coach, he has to wring the best out of his students, but it's tough to watch.
The ending doesn’t make sense though. The instructor would jeopardize his career and those of other professional musicians out of spite to the kid?
@chrisbarron6157 Honestly, at that point I'm so hooked by the movie emotionally that I don't care. Everything in a movie doesn't have to make perfect logical sense if it elicits the right emotional response.
@chrisbarron6157 the way I looked at it, it wasn't about logic at that point for him but about perfection. He already lost the rep when he got fired and wasn't the big bad anymore. He was willing to do that to prove something I think. A mental battle between the bat shit crazy perfectionist abusive master and the driver but also crazy and abused student.
How Gordon Ramsey talks to children vs his peers
Can confirm…I’ve tried to change channels with a calculator several times throughout my life. The results were less than satisfactory so I just ate a toy soldier then dumped a bowl of cereal on my head 🤷♂️
We've all been there.
I finished a puzzle in 2 years although it said 3 - 5 years
Try crayons nest time; more flavors than toy soldiers!😅
brilliant comment
Technology has caught up with you: Control your Samsung TV with your phone using SmartThings
I like to believe that Andrew hid the folder on purpose, knowing that Tanner can't play without it, it's not impossible that Andrew planned this from the start so that Fletcher would let him play
The big theory is that Fletcher hid the folder so Andrew would play. He preferred Andrew.
Fletcher took it. The man is lightning fast and silent as you can see near the end of the film in the piano club scene.
@Plainbear Fletcher doesn't seem like the type of person to conceal his thoughts and/or actions. Know what I'm saying?
Wait, so its never addressed in the movie who took the folder?!
@Darklight65583 Nope. The big theory is that the Teacher took it because he knew Andrew could do the job if he felt like it was his last chance.
"Why isnt it on you"
Bro, why isnt it on YOU lmao.
4:17 I would die from laughter even if my career depended on not laughing.
I love the sound of many musicians tuning/warming up.
Absolutely beautiful
Serotonin immediately
Free jazz
Yes. There is an excitement that builds until the lights dim and and the instruments go quiet, waiting for their cue.
Better than a flock of seagulls, and I mean that for real, the band is awesome :-)
I'll always remember thinking how much I hated Fletcher and then realizing that it was because J.K Simmons is just an insanely talented actor.
The likelihood of Fletcher stealing the folder is actually pretty damn high if you think about it. Those folders really only serve THIS purpose, so a thief would get NOTHING out of stealing one. And this is a musical competition. If another musician accidentally grabbed the folder, they would have returned to try to rectify the situation or turned the folder into the judges/their band director to avoid a shitstorm.
No, whoever took that folder WANTED it to vanish at that exact moment.
Nowadays tweakers will take literally anything, break into any building, etc.
But the movie was made back in the day where that wasn't the case. So I think you are right.
Yup, Fletcher likely just did it to actually give Neiman a chance to ascend.
4:08 when its not the time.
What if it is the time
real
For a guy with that medical problem, you'd think he would be more careful with the folder.
he was a tool after all
Even the good ones have plot holes...
@timb37 Fletcher most likely hid it on purpose to try and embarrass neiman because he knew he’d screw up.
It's a movie
@timb37 pretty sure the dude was bullshitting to cover himself
If Fletcher did take the folder then i would like to see that scene. Fletcher must've been very close, watching, probably predicted he'd leave the folder on the chair to buy something from the vending machine. Fletcher then with his perfect timing, swiftly snatched the folder and smoothly ran to the quickest exit. Or maybe he came in from the ceiling attached to a wire like a jewel thief.
Not like a jewelry thief. More like a spider type guy.
@artvandalay13 yes, just like a certain someone he secretly admires.
Probably he asked his friend spiderman to snatch the folder.
@artvandalay13 spider type guy you say? sounds like a menace, A CRIMINAL. SOMEONE LIKE HIM SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
Dude did steal Spiderman's outfit.
The biggest laugh this movie gets out of me is when Fletcher is speaking so sweetly to the little girl and old student, then walks in the room and his first words are “listen up cocksuckers!”
Honestly it should be the most chilling. At this point we all know who this man is. To see him now put on such a sweet..... facade... AND knowing exactly what trauma would surely await that little girl in a couple years if she indeed did step foot in band.... scary.
@RollOnToVictory Well, to be fair, we don’t know which “personality” is the true facade. I know a lot of guys in the military who worked as drill sergeants, and they can be the biggest dick head pieces of shit you’ve ever met, but in reality they’re super chill and nice.
Maybe his brutal side is the actual facade he uses to bring out the real talent from his incredibly awarded school.
4:04 What I say to my groupmates when they’re late for presentation day
😂😂
people mistakenly see this scene as the characters coming to understand accept each other, but really its just Fletch happy that he molded someone into being a vessel for him.
You say that as if music wasn't a dream Nieman.
@Mayhzon
Nieman's dream of playing music was perniciously supplanted by an obsession to ingratiate himself with Fletcher, who turns Nieman's ambition into addiction through various abuse tactics.
So strong is Nieman's dependency on Fletcher's approval that he ends up becoming completely tractable, which is exactly the outcome that an abuser like Fletcher is looking for.
Fletcher's insidious manipulation inculcates in Nieman an unflagging determination to prove himself at any expense. We see the toll that this takes on Nieman's mental health, and we see how little regard he has for his own wellbeing in the pursuit of seeking validation from Fletcher. Nieman also begins mirroring Fletcher's vituperative attitude and projecting his anger onto his family as a coping mechanism.
Nieman now plays music not because of passion, but of obsequiousness. It's heartbreaking to watch his spirit corrode away, chasing the ephemeral high of receiving praise from his abuser.
This is made worse by the fact that Fletcher's praise is completely hollow; he doesn't care about Nieman's feelings, he just cares about turning him into the next Sean Casey. By doling out measured doses of laudation amidst the psychological torture, Fletcher keeps Nieman hooked. It's a carrot-and-stick approach to ensuring that Nieman keeps pushing himself even further. The praise that Fletcher gives him is, truthfully, no less abusive than the disparagement.
Fletcher simply views Nieman as a product, something that he can malleabalize and then mould into his star pupil. He views both Sean Casey and Nieman as fungible, not caring about them as individuals but simply as vessels to inject himself into. Nieman is merely a means to an end for Fletcher to achieve his own dream, resulting in a toxic symbiosis between the two.
Therein lies the tragedy of Whiplash.
Yeah for those still skeptical, think of it like this. Fletcher specifically mentioned not to leave these folders around and from a filmic standpoint, especially with a critically acclaimed film like this, it wasn’t a coincidence for the director to have the folder to go missing and have literally the most bat shit crazy tell his band NOT to lose it. The “why did he do it” however, is completely up to interpretation.
Well , thank you so much for this insight shared with us no nothings . Great job figuring out this “ Purple Patch “ . Friggin Captain Obvious.
Oh the why is simple to understand in my opinion, it's not really a matter of interpretation. We discover throughout the movie that to Fletcher, finding his prodigy was more important than whatever reputation he had. Just another instance of pushing people cause that's the only way to reveal what's truly inside. He talks about this repeatedly. He saw an opportunity and took it. If Neiman didn't step up, eventually the folder would have been found before they went on stage. Pretty safe gamble with a huge potential reward. =)
Can anyone write in English anymore? Damn, I can't tell what any of these comments are saying lol.
oh wow everyone knew that
@Person-lk1vs Really? How'd you figure?
He's positively polite compared to the way Buddy Rich spoke to his band.
Or Tommy Dorsey
Exactly. Teaching a retard to use a calculator is a super kind thing to do. This guy is actually helping these kids more than 90% of teachers. Truly a perfect role model.
Buddy never used physical violence. He threatened it
4:50 he will survive if he didn't say this
I had a knot in my stomach through this whole movie. I found it incredibly hard to finish
hard to finish? lol ive watched this movie like 6 times
@peytonlewallen9556 Wow you’re so cool
@ValentinoMarino11 lol yeah sure
True. But it’s worth it if you finish it whole with no skips because it sometimes resonates life. Gotta go through gruesome shit and you can’t even skip some parts of your life
@peytonlewallen9556 6? Those are rookie numbers.
One of Fletcher's goblins took the folder.
Mini Me didnt have the makings of a varsity athlete.
Sharp as a fuckin' cue ball, dis onel
Far as I remember he used to wait in the car, and as far as I'm concerned he should still be there!
Small hands
Will you make the same fucking joke every time?
@Je_QzcY3mN0 right! Like its not even funny anymore. Plus in this context Its far from funny. They are just desperate for some internet points
1:42 me when the evil microscopic version of me with scopophobia comes back trying to burglarize my house
6:01 those notes still give me PTSD
hello there
lol same
Trying to learn the drums, mr Kenobi?
is it possible to learn this power
@alfredino724 Not from a Jedi
It's so surreal hearing JK Simmons swear. In most of his appearances I've seen, he's pretty tame, language-wise. Even in his most unhinged moments as Cave Johnson, he never goes beyond "ass" or "damn." I kinda like seeing him act so off-the-wall here.
check out oz
@roop-a-loop that was my intro to Simmons, too..I think I have the exact opposite perspective as the commenter above
Clearly you've never met Vernon Shillinger
@ChannelUmptyThree I have no idea who that is, so you're absolutely right. :P
Invincible is just voice acting but the language was strong with great delivery, perfect casting.
I always had this theory that Neiman never really messed up the tempo in whiplash like fletcher was saying he was. In the end with that whole "good job" scene and Charlie Parker story, it becomes immensely clear that Neiman always had the talent, Fletcher knew it and just wanted to push him (like how Parker was pushed). I also believe that it was Fletcher who took the folder, to afford Neiman the opportunity he was so desperately craving. He knew he was practicing that same song everyday after their first meeting. He knew Neiman knew it by heart, he didn't have to ask, just wanted to see the level of confidence he had in a high stress situation. Brilliant writing.
Actually he did but it was super super minute miss.
Yeah. JK Simmons communicated ALL of that with one eye shift. 04:53.
100% agree, Fletcher is the mastermind of this. It's an absolute horror to work under him, but again, greatness never came from soft enviroment...
You can tell he's wrong
3:56 I don’t know how to explain it but this split second of silence is so haunting because there’s just this dread feeling of what’s to come from Fletchers wrath. I can’t imagine the amount of fear I’d have
“get the fuck out of my sight or ill demolish you”😭😭😭😭
I can't still see you mini me 😅😅
Jk Simmons is a national treasure. Take care of him you guys.
4:22 still makes me laugh to this day
My favorite one is where he's roasting that chubby kid that's looking down at his feet, and he says something along the lines of, "Why are you looking down there? There are no Mars bars down there."
@alexfernandez6621 😂😂
3:00 😂 making sure he doesn’t forget
Hahaha
"You lost the folder?" - Fletcher
"I know a thing or two, because I've seen a thing or two." - Neiman
".....Get the F%#$ out of here Neiman! You are done."
Underrated..
😂
As someone in the military, when you lose something incredibly important, a lot of people will take that item and make it seem like another lower level person took it. It’s safe for me to assume that Fletcher indeed took the folder in order to compensate Neiman’s desire to play and by taking the folder, engaging that opportunity for Neiman to play without any notes whatsoever and by pure memory. Purely malicious for sure but very interesting to see this shown in film.
I was just thinking about how, despite having nothing to do with the military, this movie and the way the characters behave are very reminiscent of the way soldiers act.
Gear adrift was what I always heard it labeled…I left a PC laying around once in the TOC, not at my desk, and it somehow got stolen, and a large penis drawn on the care instructions label. Ahh, the military…good times.
8151 more games than Mattell.
I was in the Army only 3 years, 80-83. In Germany, the 3rd Infantry didn't play games like that they just prepared for war and where a fighting machine. However, back in the states, I was in the 1st Cav. They where nothing but a crap show. In WW2 they got their butts kicked so bad, they lost their colors. Anyway, since then, they where what we call an inspection ready unit. They constantly prepared and prepped for inspections, not war readiness. They also played silly games too like when someone leaves something even for a few seconds and some Officer or Officer kiss butt can swipe it, they would and give it to the Colonel and the person that got it swiped and his next in command would have to go see the Colonel to go get it.
@tramdr The losing their colors thing is a myth. The 1st Cav is one of the most decorated divisions in the U.S Army, get a clue.
One thing we can learn from this film/clip is that an abusive authority figure trickles-down throughout the organization. Whether it's a company president, department manager, team coach/captain, or the father/mother of a family... when the leader is abusive, everyone down the totem-pole tends to treat THEIR subordinates abusively.
This is actually a very important lesson which society does not yet pay enough attention to.
I don't see any abuse
@jamesalexander8872 then you are probably being abused XD
@jamesalexander8872 Did you see the movie?
Funny enough the same thing can be seen in blazing saddles, except in reverse. We keep moving up the totem pole, and each person seems like a leader until you meet their boss and realize they’re an incompetent moron
@sneekiersnek3122 I'm all for 'tough love'. We SHOULD hold students/children to higher standards -- you can be strict with them and demanding absolutely. But name calling? hurling insults? degrading and demeaning them? Making fun of someone for being gay? Coming down hard on a student who is bloodied, who just went through a horrific car accident because he was late? This is Trump-style cruelty. He totally ravaged that one fat kid who ended up committing suicide, and for what? He wasn't even the one who was out of tune, right? This is what's called abusiveness. The only person who 'benefits' from it is Fletcher's own ego, and dark inner desire to hurt others who are subordinate to him. This is the kind of authoritarian abusiveness that happens in low-class families (like Trump supporters). And it only serves to destroy... destroy relationships, lives, spirits, souls. It's the kind of thing that can destroy the world if we let it be 'ok'.
The scene at 3:50 when he starts freaking out on the other dude for losing the sheet music folder, reminds me of a big brother that is about to get into trouble for something the little brother did. I remember those days my brother would yell at me like that too lmao 🤣
As a big bro yours might have been a dick
I thought it goes to show how abuse patterns spread through victims. Tanner blames Andrew and shows him a similar wrath as Fletcher would show both of them, out of the fear of feeling that exact wrath himself.
UR A DUM FUUUUUCKKKK! A dum FUUUUUCKK
Who else didn’t know J Jonah Jameson was a hardass band director
That’s what happens when he doesn’t get his pictures of Spider-Man.
Thats Vern Schillinger
@christophercampbell2929 If he got paroled in season 2 and got really into jazz for some reason.
Hahahaha...you serious!?
@lunalegion Instead, he got lemons.
One day I’ll watch this movie instead of just RUclips clips.
I can't watch entire movies anymore, RUclips has demolished my attention......erm....forgotten what I was saying.
No more clips for you. See. The. Movie. It's stressful but amazing. 'Fame' meets 'Full Metal Jacket.'
Pretty sure the first time I saw a clip from this movie was 2018. Every now and then, another clip will be recommended and I always watch it.
Wish granted (free on RUclips w/ ads)
1:35 When Omni Man sees The Immortal resurrected.
Lmao
I can still fuckin see you mini me!!!
@reidkemp That’s when The Immortal won’t leave
Bro . Spoilers
@James-ek3il The Immortal is mini me.
Tanner: I can't
Neimann: I can
Fletcher: Are you sure?
“I can’t” 0.2 seconds pass “I can” fucking genius performance
0:28 don't worry Little Girl's Dad, the trauma she will be discussing with her shrink when she's in her 30s won't be stemming from you or her childhood.
what....
@sabertoothwallaby2937 the conductor (JK Simmons) is extremely harsh and strict and pushes people to their mental limits , even suicide
@frzd8chickensoup Lmao
@KRoyski you’re trying wayyy too hard to be edgy
@emilal I just thought it was funny calm down emily.
It’s crazy how a janitor taking the folder changed the plot so drastically!
Andrew should really thank that nice janitor for jumpstarting his career and further abuse from Fletcher.
I didn't see no Janitor, I see the guy calling him a dumb f**k probably took it and quickly threw in the garbage before yelling at him because he was sick of playing drums.
@HugoStiglitz89 no there's a third drummer in the film forgot his name and he's the one who took it
does anyone think maybe Fletcher got rid of it?
@northcoteknights This is the comment I was looking for...yeah its hard to say but that's at least my personal best guess.
6:09 flute playing somehow lmao
That's Mini Me
@CRU22haha mini me the flute player
A lot of saxophonists double on flute so they can get more gigs, but I don’t see a stand for them anywhere lol
@joshveethere’s also just. Not a flute in a jazz band lol
@tastyteddy3874 there definitely can be
The best part about this movie which is lost to a lot of people is the part where Fletcher is playing Jazz in the club and doing a really poor job of it. It's the most milk toast bland thing you can do and he is playing as if he is soulful. Fletcher embodies the phrase "Those who can't do, teach."
It's "milquetoast."
I think that saying is under rated. Those who teach give those with talent the opportunity to rise above. If not for those who can appreciate true genius, but cannot achieve the level required, there would be little achievement, for those who do not have the opportunity, but are gifted. My eternal respect for those who teach, push for perfection, lacking the gift, but understanding the necessity for perfection.
@joelglanton6531 and I guess you don't say "bone apple teeth" when you give people food either.
@joelglanton6531 Thanks. I was ready to scream. "Milk toast" is what I had for breakfast today.
@DanteRiley i was just thinking of the subteddit
The line "get the fuc* out of my sight before I demolish you" words to live by.
More like, words to leave by, amirite
@MrPhathix lol
1:35 me when my girl comes back to try and take some of my fries when she said she wasnt hungry.
That the way u have to addressed these narcissist issues
1:43 When the Immortal is resurrected again
All he has left is spiderman
And the Hulk
There are some characters in movies that I could never envision being played by someone else. No one but JK Simmons could have done this
False. .
Then who else?
I think Michael Keaton could’ve done this and knocked it out the park.
John C. Mcginley
Gary Busey, John McEnroe, Sam Kinison.
0:40 Well, she's cooked 😭
Having not seen the film, and only seeing this scene, I believe Fletcher took the folder to see if the owner had the balls to be honest and admit they fucked up, rather than try to hide it. It's clear from his reaction that he did not expect Neiman to say he knew it off by heart and was testing the other guy, hoping the experience and dressing down would teach him not to rely on the sheet music or at least, to not leave it lying around and give it to someone else as his calm, yet assertive demeanour and delivery of the calculator line makes it clear he was expecting the owner of the music to fess up, but not Neiman's interjection.
I never thought of this scene like that, good point! It fits the movie much better than "Fletcher just wanted to see protagonist as a main drummer" one. Did you see the film, btw?
Don't spoil yourself. Watch the movie instead if you can!
Hey I hope you've seen the film and if not you really should. Also hope you have a good weekend.
The way he walked into the room and addressed his musicians. Perfect.
"...before I demolish you."
-The Omniman within him seeping out.
"You know, you could use some anger management training" -Johnny Cage to Omni-J Jonah Fletcher, 2023
Perfection through aggression. Interesting.