Will the DOT continue to test for THC after rescheduling?
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2023
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Dr. Nuesse discuses the impact of marijuana rescheduling and drug testing by the FMCSA/DOT. Truck drivers and other safety sensitive employees will likely still be drug tested even after marijuana is rescheduled. This is at least partially due to the fact that the FMCSA is in the process for allowing oral fluid drug testing.
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This is the first Dr that is not trying to catch you. Bro I just want to go home after a long day of work and enjoy myself
Lol welcome to the boat bro I been trying to quit weed for 4 years
@@excessivemedia9295do you want to quit because YOU WANT to, or is it because you need to for a job?
The only way to truly fix this is switching to saliva test…that’s the only way they can get THC off these tests…cause THC only shows up for like 3 hours on a mouth swab
@user-gf7rb6tl3b ya that is what I would advocate for.
@@excessivemedia9295 I work on boats too i wish they would stop this bullshit
I have a CDL and feel I should be able to enjoy myself however I please after work hours. I sure hope one day this law changes. I would be responsible and NEVER be under the influence while on the job.
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I agree. I love and respect all my neighbors. I would not be under the influence just like not being drunk at work. I respect this medicine and would only use it in the most responsible manner.
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Synthetic urine.
I couldn’t agree more what you do on your off time doesn’t have anything with your job. It’s no different from drinking you know not to do it and go to work.
We need a mouth swab
That test for the past 8 hours to test if you’re under the influence not if you used
They do for 12 hour use
That's not gonna help
@@fatboyz7612 why is that?
@@bobdylan7432because nobody is under the influence 8 or twelve hrs later. If someone smoked before they went to bed to help them sleep they would still fail the test in the morning when they got to work.
I’ve been saying it for a minute…they won’t tho man…if you wanna smoke just stay away from truck driving….theres no real way around it
Not in Canada. If I'm not mistaken they treat THC just like alcohol for everyone. That is fair game in my opinion.
Ohhhhh Canada! ❤️ 🇨🇦
How long does it stay in saliva?
@@Brsrafal something like 2-24 hours.
Dot has lost a lot of drivers
It’s a revolving door is the problem tho…an entire generation gets kicked out but another generation comes in…that’s how I know they’ll probably never switch this shit around sadly smh
@user-gf7rb6tl3b The new generation coming up can't get off TikTok long enough to drive a truck,let's not focus on them for Law changes lol
Me included. I've been home testing I ate an edible like 34 days ago and home test will barely show a red line. But am I under the influence at this moment no.
Up to 5 years because of insurance companies
@@user-vj1qj7ls5kbro an edible is the hardest to get clean from because you ate it and it's metabolites are in the fat tissue of your body you will have to drink lots of water and take a detox diet of fasting for at least 10 days
They're calling people who sweep up the street on foot "safety sensitive" out here now, the reclassifications are ridiculous.
I think mariners should also be a conversation
Some of us work only 6 months out of the year. Some of us have MONTHS MONTHS MONTHS off and we still get tested. It’s ludicrous
Im in the same boat captain. I’ve been in the wheelhouse for fourteen years now and it’s sure be nice to be able to enjoy myself on my time off. It’s silly that I live in a state ( soon to be one of a minority ) that has recreational use, and now all my friends can smoke at my bbq totally worry free and I cannot. I don’t want it on the boat, but my home is my business and I should have the same freedoms as everyone else.
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I like the mouth swab idea better. If you haven't smoked marijuana in 2 days you are definitely sober. You are sober after a good night's sleep.
I'm sober after I move when I smoke due to me smoking for years.
Well that depends I've had what I call a weed hangover after smoking a lot lol
What Congress doesn't want to realize is that Truckers are affected up to 5 years regarding insurance companies. When it can't be proven they were under the effect of THC when they tested positive.
Caffeine falls under the definition of intoxicant. So does nicotine. Following this logic people who smoke cigarettes or drink coffee shouldn't operate heavy machinery.
Nicotine is typically considered a stimulant not an intoxicant. Caffeine is only intoxicating in rare instances "Caffeinism". Even this state is not considered as inebriated as being under the influence of alcohol or the 5 drugs typically tested for.
@@EasyDOTPhysicals good thing i was talking about the actual definition and not what the state considers or the colloquial use.
A stimulant is still an intoxicant. Boils down to moderation. Ie beans........
If you don’t use nicotine and one day you decide to hit a high nicotine vape it would absolutely be dangerous to operate machinery.
Hey hey hey hey, don't take my cigarettes and coffee away.
I'm hoping they give us both weed, you just snitching
If we as people came together and stood together everything would change
As always, much appreciated 🙏🏾💯💪🏿🫡
My pleasure
I've been waiting for this video like a PPV fight 🙏
What's the update on the oral testing update
I’ve been patiently waiting as well.
Same
Dot would have to change its rules because it's only tested now because of schedule 1 status.
THC should not be tested, if the DOT still does at least make it a mouth swab or raise the cutoff level
It’s legal in the NFL & NBA so “they” need to get that ball rolling for the public.
😂 playing a sport high is not the same thing as driving a truck high
@@BobSmith-qh1ejtechnically it is, but the high that the NFL and NBA gets is much more potent,
THC should not be tested at all as you can’t test a driver to see if they were “under the influence” of their phone
Distracted driving is the cause of so many accidents, just people that should be paying attention to the road.
So I take adderall and it's schedule 2. As long as I provide a current prescription I pass the dot drug screen. My question is, once the fda approves thc for treatment and I get a prescription(not a med card) will I pass the same way I do with adderall?
If you can pass an exploro 50 ng home test are you good to pass a DOT drug test ?
I cany wait
I work in an oil refinery and we are under the same DOT regulations. My employer only does hair follicle testing. 😢 I dont even know if this is legal... maybe it is in California 🤷🏽♂️. I highly doubt that they will ever change this...
Like he said...they're making the steps in the right direction. They're Soooo late to the party, but it's still refreshing for me because maybe now I can finally become a truck driver.
I'll tell you something else: I think they, whoever THEY are, should consult the people that made it possible for the UFC's fighters to use the plant just as long as they don't come to the big event high.
A fighter you may know, Nick Diaz was banned by the comissions for testing positive for weed. They basically rendered his career over because the guy wanted to relax how he chose to relax. Actually, I'm sure he would train high. Hey, and maybe some guys smoked before their fights. But I doubt it enhanced their performances the way steroids would. If there was a rule that fit us pothead's sensibilities, I'm sure anyone of us could abstain during the times you're supposed to be working. Hell, I enjoy it more after a long day of hard work...
But as we all know, THC stays in your system for longer than most substances. So finally, some reasonable people devised a way to detect if one was under the influence DURING the times they were on the clock. Then USADA made it possible, ruling that if a urine sample was over 50 nanograms per milliliter, it was positive.
That freed the fighters who wanted to use on their time. Sucked that Nick had to be the catalyst for change, but I think maybe his sacrifice lead to this current development in the workplace.
It's also highly likely that the tax revenue created by the cannabis industry weighs in heavily. Either way, 🤞
@@timbo7873they’ll just starting testing schedule 3 drugs if it happens…watch lol
My question for this would be, if I have a medical prescription card through the state will the test still go against you for currently using? 😮😮
Once it becomes a schedule 3 substance, it will no longer be considered an illicit drug. Wouldn't that mean if you have a prescription, it would be treated the same as, maybe an anti-anxiety or anti-depressant prescription drug?
I would assume after reclassification there will have to be some sort of lawsuit because someone had thc in their system and gets fired and or loses their cdl even though you can take Tylenol with codine obviously not while working but to ruin someone’s career over something that’s now legal is bullsnuff FMCSA definitely needs to ease up on pot but come up with a test that can pin point usages down to a two or 3 hour window
You can get a prescription for Adderall and Vyvanse but will still be fired if you test positive for either because they're an amphetamine
@swish3814 if you have a prescription for adderall you won't be fired. There's some hoops you have to jump through to be cleared to take it, but with a valid prescription they can't fire you.
does HHC show up on a drug test?
Yes it contains thc I tried only doing that and was still coming up positive
No it doesn’t. I was on probation and used it tested every other day and I was good
@@hbcmellow2433 it definitely does
It’s wish washy those are very up and down with the answers from my experience…people say yes people say no I still wouldn’t risk it
they should just raise the 50 ng bar to 500 ...
It's actually 15ng for DOT test
you are mistaken sir... the initial dot test is at 50ng... if its positive over 50 ng they do the second test at 15ng to confirm...so if your at 20ng you will actually pass because you would be under the 50ng threshold on the initial test ...your welcome!@@jasonb.3874
@@jasonb.3874it’s 50
@jasonb.3874 no it's not its 50ng dummy
They only test at 15 if you fail for 50 first
I dont think they should but they more than likely will. The mouth swab would be way better.
Why do u think they shouldn’t
@@chopperdean3968this gotta be.gpod lol
It’s really the only way it’ll ever happen…mouth test makes sure you’re not high driving the trucks
Swab is better so on vacation yiu smoke than 1 day prior to leaving back out on the road
Thanks!
You bet!
What if you have a prescription? When they make it a Schedule 3 drug, getting a prescription for it is possible, right? What if you have a prescription for THC and pop positive for it on a drug test? They need to refine their test to be able to tell if someone used it last night, or if they're "high at work".
Should have something to test for that day just like alcohol. I work Monday through Friday so my weekends are valuable to me to relax because I have a high stress job. I just want to relax on my weekends. I choose THC over alcohol . I have severe DJD and it helps with my pain. Looking for help
Once it’s rescheduled… can’t FMCSA employed people just get a medical card and a clearance letter? It’s the same thing as being on any other medication.
Wondering the same. I hope so
@@11STEVE22 hopefully the doc will answer our question
What if is a random
Value freedom
Sooooooo, you can take codine and work on safety sensitive machinery 😮
What does a 9 panel (no thc) drug test mean ?
I never thought I would live to see the day when we're talking about getting high and holding a job unbelievable😂😂😂😂😂
Its my understanding the swab will be more akin to the breathalyzer testing for if your under the immediate influence thereof. NOT checking your habits in the past month.
Your habits are your own business. Are you fit for duty or not that's all that matters
@@DragonkinMetals I couldn't agree more
Yea well companies aren't gonna use the mouthswab so we can smoke, they will pay more for insurance if they do, they're not doing that.
Specifically in my case the FAA controls what can and can’t do when I’m not on the job and I’m sick of it I would NEVER got to work under the influence but if I smoke a joint on an off day I’m the worst of the worst Smfh
@@InglewoodFamily77 it's beyond ridiculous
Dr what is the difference between a five panel and a seven panel and what is the most consistent test given to DOT drivers thank you doctor
7 panel tests for 7 different drugs and 5 panel tests for 5 different drugs. My DOT tests have ALL been 5 panel
Nobody’s business would I do off work, drive high stay alive. Let the truckers smoke.
Is codeine not an intoxicant ? Doesn’t make sense why THC will get tested for after reclassification
Yes, but its also on the 5 panel
Canada drivers can smoke there's swab test which tells u if u smoked within 6 hours or so. I quit long ago I don't even like this new potent medical pot lol
This is the first I’ve heard of this. How long has this been in place?
@@sanchezjrdanny couple years for sure unless they go to usa then they subject to usa dot rules
That means they're gonna have to test for every drug on schedule 3 down the line
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They don't test for THC now. The urine test is for a metabolite not THC. The question is will FMCSA start testing for THC
What if I’m a surgeon and I operate a surgeon’s knife? Or if I’m a politician and I vote on bills that effect every citizen
‘S life and future? Should I also be required to take a THC test? Correct answer, absolutely YES!!!
What about hair follicle?
Why should you even be tested for this drug marijuana if you have a prescription for it even if it’s on the classification of drugs. I have a prescription for benzodiazepine. They remove it from the test when they find out I have a prescription shouldn’t the same hold true for medical marijuana that is prescribed by my doctor
It’s time for me to renew my CDL and they won’t let me renew without getting my medical certification up to date which they’ve never cared about before. I don’t even use my cdl.
Glad its ok now and they can make the shit up as they go 😂🎉❤🎉
Do they test non-cdl drivers?
But alcohol is ok and not scheduled when it cause more harm to people that’s BS
America…gotta love it or leave it lol
All elected officials should be tested
Question Doc .what if you have a medical card under a schedule 3 marijuana law , can dot still penalize for a positive thc result ?
yes
@@EasyDOTPhysicalswould they still be able to penalize you if you also have a clearance letter?
Should be allowed to get off work and smoke a joint, and keep your operating job. Nobody’s business but mine what I do in my spare time.
What’s up, a SAP agent just recent told me that home drug tests aren’t the way to go before taking employment drug test. So would you say that SAP agent is wrong?
I am a big advocate for home testing
From a clinic stand point
Would the person receive the test be able to select which test to do or would that be more up to the company to select which they want to use or the clinic it self would pick ?
the company picks
@@EasyDOTPhysicals what company would even consider that… because now they would have to worry about possibly losing more money due to possible damage done by drivers… that’s so stupid… it should be mandatory for mouth swab I guerentee my company isint even gonna look the mouthswabs direction
@@user-qo2kt9uw9vYou’ve got a great point, maybe the carriers who are really hurting for drivers will allow it. Wouldn’t count on it though unfortunately.
@@user-qo2kt9uw9vI know bro, my backs killing me from the work I do, my option are pills and alcohol, thanks alot USA 🇺🇸 land of the free
@@user-qo2kt9uw9vthey could probably still do urine analysis and adjust the threshold I suppose. Hair follicle test might be a different story though. Not sure, but I hope to be educated on all this because I think it's so silly we're still doing certain things the way we do them.
Even if the dot is change from urine to saliva, most good company will still do hair Test like they do it right now….no way they going to give someone who smoke marijuana a truck that cost thousands of dollar….!! Now if you are owner-operator, this might be helpful since you only got to show dot about your drug use
One question i smoked thc a month ago im not even a light user cause i done it like once every 6 months, i want to apply to a company that does a hair follicle test should i be fine is been a month and it was only like 3 pulls not even a whole piece
my advice, if you want to consume any THC what so ever, stay far away from a company that test hair follicle. it will be their fault they literally have no drivers in the future. it an obnoxious violation of privacy.
I wouldn’t worry about it. Hair follicle tests are very bad at detecting single use over a long period of time. If you smoke more often than once every 3-6 months you wanna wait a month and shave your entire body and then wait another month and do that again then grow a testable amount of hair. Lol
So I haven’t used any form of THC in over 60 days, took a pre employment dot drug test and failed, literally just got my CDL, before I can even start the job this happen. I feel that’s not fair what can I do to have this removed from the clearinghouse, I know it’s gonna be an issue for get getting a job after.
I’m not sure you can get it removed. But sorry to hear that, that sucks
I drove for myself and smoked for YEARS.smoking and driving for a company Is a big NO NO!!
@@billbonu1639you clearly didn’t hear what he said
@@billbonu1639can you elaborate I’m in the same boat. I took a drug test and failed. I have my truck are suggesting to get your authority
Oh man this is a rough go…you should’ve waited I know you don’t wanna hear that but man best of luck brotha
Will I get random drug tested by the DOT or FMCSA if I have my CDL Class A, but not working a safety sensitive job or any dot/cdl related job
Talked to a lot of drivers about this and the answer is no you most likely won't .. unless randomly picked from the government which is not likely.. most companies do a dot drug test and that alone is used by the state to regulate driver drug usage
If you're not working a safety sensitive job, you will not be drug tested despite having a CDL. The onus of testing falls on your job if employed or a consortium if you possess your own authority.
no, only if you have a DOT trucking job & currently working for a company
No
Rescheduled would just require a prescription right?
probably
So is codeine?
And alcohol is not intoxitant?
i know drivers that get drunk every night..... and i mean drunk out of their minds, they get in the truck the next morning..... still drunk and hung over. no one seems to care they are the real danger, the current structure encourages being a drunk over even modest THC consumption.
They will always use UA, the point of drug test are to catch you. Companies do not give a flip that saliva testing only goes back a couple days. Meaning they will always use UA, because it shows the bigger picture. Unfortunately
and they will eventually end up with empty seats. recently more the half the trucking companies want this to change, it negatively effects retention with drivers that are otherwise sober at work and completely safe.
Cigarettes are equally as intoxicating
In my opinion I think it has to do with the potency of the marijuana because I've heard of some people saying they feel really groggy the next day kind of like a hang over from alcohol
The person that comes up with an instant test ( are you high now) will be a very rich person.
I don't smoke because of the randoms..
Yes the dot will always test for thc these companies make too much money from kickbacks from labs and frankly it's a control thing. As long as they can be in peoples business they'll fight any deregulation. Like Swift had a big lawsuit because they were viewing truckers in their cabs when they were off duty and sharing it around the office. I believe they even posted it online. These companies are super controlling and anything that would reliquish any of that control would be considered horrible by company standards. I can't tell you how many times I've seen then butcher peoples hair with those hair samples. think cutting hair from the middle of their head and leaving big holes in very visable places. instead of the base of the neck like they're supposed to do.
Are all random urine drug tests observed?
No. Only return to duty and follow ups are observed. Randoms could be observed if the collector believes the donor is doing something to try and cheat the test or if the initial collection is out of temperature range of 90-100 degrees.
It happened now what
check my new video
I fucking wish
I miss pot lol
Far better for the body than getting drunk all the time
I passed the drug test and everything got denied dot card for a breathing test.to many ways to end your career for me.I don't want to drive anything for a living.high BP? you're done.cant blow a machine for ten minutes? you're done.fk that, I wouldn't want anything to do with it now.
Does DOT still allow ADHD medication
You will need a clearance letter. I have a video on that.
This guy just said thc stays in system for 60 days!? Or 3mnths!! 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm not concerned about drug tests but the government should be as a 100000 truckers are not going to return to work
That’s why there’s a panic rn…and it’s not 100,000 it’s more like 20,000
Don't test. If you have to have money retrieve gold dust
Safety sensitive? BS
Yes. It affects your sleep they better keep testing.
Best way to pass a federal mandated drug test is don't smoke good old mother herb! Personally I think if the department of transportation really wants to get the highways safer drug test anyone that has a valid driver's license,and if you are caught driving without a driver's license drug test those people also. Merry Christmas to everyone and I hope for better days in the future ahead for everyone.
So is coffee, it's because more money in weed the others