The strategy of the American Wall Facer was changed from the original version to the english version because the original version is in the same universe as another prior Liu's work
Da Shi did have a proper end. He lived for a long time and passed on peacefully with his family by his side during the good era. A good man's ending. It's a shame the English translation could not 100% capture the original Chinese version's literary flavor and wordplay. I tried reading both English and the Chinese versions and I found the original text to be far more entertaining to read. As for Cixin Liu focuing more on concepts than character.. if you look up Luo Ji's name, it literally means LOGIC (UN council even called him out "So your name is logic?") and Cheng Xin's name means "Sincerity of heart/virtue" Da Shi or Shi Qiang means "Big Messenger/strong messenger with great conviction" or you can call Da Shi for being a guardian angel as a Tian Shi or "heavenly messenger" Cheng Xin represents the moral aspect of human society and Thomas Wade represents scientific/rationalism part of human society. Cixin Liu's ultimate statement to me at least is that scientific progress without morality is dangerous as it risks humans destroying themselves but adherent to morality will probably not guarantied our species' survival in a dark forest universe. However, Cixin Liu would rather humans live as moral people than beasts that only focus solely on survival. If death is inevitable in this dangerous universe then it's better to live life as people than monsters in the limited time we have in existence.
At first, I have the same feeling with you about Cheng Xin. I really disliked her. But, when I thought deeper of the story, I changed my mind about Cheng Xin. What she did is what most of us would do if we were in her place. Yes. the consequence was bad. But, if you look the other way around, the consequence would get worse if Cheng Xin made "good decision". It's like wallfacers in Book 2. Wallfacers made schemes, weapons, and tools which were regarded as bad, evil and stupid in the beginning. But, in the end they proved otherwise. Those fleeing battleships were regarded as bad and evil, but later in Book 3 they saved humanity. Bad things still could yield good results occasionally. And, good decision doesn't always guarantee the good result. The author kept telling the idea of "Cheng Xin made wrong decision again" through Wade's mouth and Cheng Xin's inner voice. The impression became so strong that readers fell for it. It's a trap like his plot twists of Wallfacers and fleeing batteships. For me, her decisions were bad when I read the book the first time, but I re-read and re-thought about it. I wasn't sure about that anymore because there were no good decisions. Then, she just had to pick the safest solutions. And for being safe, I would say she made all the right decisions and earned her a ticket to live to the end. As for the fish tank, I don't know. It could be a good thing if there will be no big bang.
some thoughts about the fish tank. I mean that the book kept telling everything has to die sooner or later. Nothing could escape death. So why the universe should get its next big bang? the universe would die too. No big bang for it. Many comments said they hated Cheng Xin. One reason is that she was the death because her keeping fish tank cause the death of the universe. Why people are so angry about that if they accept (agree/ have no problem about) the main theme of book 3 that everything has to die sooner or later?! Philosophically speaking, Cheng Xin kinda did the right thing for what readers all agreed with.
I got the Audio Books of the Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy, now i'm near the finale of Death's End (the 3D to 2D bit, no spoilers). I've zipped through the Audio Books (50+ hours) in just over a week, and i'm enjoying the story immensely. I'm a big fan of hard Sci-Fi, and these books scratch that itch nicely. Cheers.
I don't understand why the Trisolarans didn't just move one of their stars out of the way with a stellar engine. Or, they could have taken a tip from Liu Cixin's Wandering Earth, and move their planet out of the way.
Bc by the rules of the dark forest that would immediately reveal their location. No way anyone watching would miss a whole ass star out of place, or be unable to trace its trajectory back to its original system. You can invade another system without detection, but no way you can move a star or planet without someone at some point noticing, investigating and then wiping you out.
@@geordiejones5618 I guess tip toe very slowly away from the other stars? Any observers would not be able to tell if it was a natural phenomena or artificial.
@@kuanged you really think a species that can eradiate a star with a button can't scrutinize celestial movement? Lol please explain how you would go about a cosmic sleight of hand. Edit: plus the Trisolarons cannot afford a crawl, why do you think they take the risk to invade despite the sword holders? Even if it was calculated and almost perfect in timing/execution they're very much in a rush before their planet gets swallowed up so for them the ONLY option is to force Earth to submit, as they are doubtful that humanity would just help them out. Moving the planet incurs the same risk as not moving the planet bc of the three body problem.
@@geordiejones5618 Chalking an explanation up to "they are advanced aliens and must have advanced technology" is just a lazy answer founded on assumption and magical thinking. Yes I am arguing that there is nothing to suggest they would ever be able to tell the difference. Why don't you formulate a reasonable hypothesis that explains how they COULD distinguish natural vs unnatural phenomena moving a star at such relativistic distances? Singer's race couldn't even manage to triangulate the origins of other dark forest attacks on the Trisolarians, why would they have any better luck seeing a stellar engine in action? It would just look like a star's movement being impacted by some invisible gravitational effects. Happens all the time. They might not even think to look twice at it.
Best job for this trilogy on RUclips. Thank you
The strategy of the American Wall Facer was changed from the original version to the english version because the original version is in the same universe as another prior Liu's work
Just discovered your channel. Heep up the good work. Love your summaries and your take on things.
Also, nice beard man
I really love the three fairy tales in Death End, just like you. I admire Liu Cixin' s crazy imagination.
Da Shi did have a proper end. He lived for a long time and passed on peacefully with his family by his side during the good era. A good man's ending. It's a shame the English translation could not 100% capture the original Chinese version's literary flavor and wordplay. I tried reading both English and the Chinese versions and I found the original text to be far more entertaining to read.
As for Cixin Liu focuing more on concepts than character.. if you look up Luo Ji's name, it literally means LOGIC (UN council even called him out "So your name is logic?") and Cheng Xin's name means "Sincerity of heart/virtue" Da Shi or Shi Qiang means "Big Messenger/strong messenger with great conviction" or you can call Da Shi for being a guardian angel as a Tian Shi or "heavenly messenger"
Cheng Xin represents the moral aspect of human society and Thomas Wade represents scientific/rationalism part of human society. Cixin Liu's ultimate statement to me at least is that scientific progress without morality is dangerous as it risks humans destroying themselves but adherent to morality will probably not guarantied our species' survival in a dark forest universe. However, Cixin Liu would rather humans live as moral people than beasts that only focus solely on survival. If death is inevitable in this dangerous universe then it's better to live life as people than monsters in the limited time we have in existence.
What's funny is that luo ji is the Chinese transliteration of the word logic to begin with.
Props for actually pronouncing the names correctly.
Well said
At first, I have the same feeling with you about Cheng Xin. I really disliked her. But, when I thought deeper of the story, I changed my mind about Cheng Xin. What she did is what most of us would do if we were in her place. Yes. the consequence was bad. But, if you look the other way around, the consequence would get worse if Cheng Xin made "good decision".
It's like wallfacers in Book 2. Wallfacers made schemes, weapons, and tools which were regarded as bad, evil and stupid in the beginning. But, in the end they proved otherwise. Those fleeing battleships were regarded as bad and evil, but later in Book 3 they saved humanity. Bad things still could yield good results occasionally. And, good decision doesn't always guarantee the good result.
The author kept telling the idea of "Cheng Xin made wrong decision again" through Wade's mouth and Cheng Xin's inner voice. The impression became so strong that readers fell for it. It's a trap like his plot twists of Wallfacers and fleeing batteships. For me, her decisions were bad when I read the book the first time, but I re-read and re-thought about it. I wasn't sure about that anymore because there were no good decisions. Then, she just had to pick the safest solutions. And for being safe, I would say she made all the right decisions and earned her a ticket to live to the end. As for the fish tank, I don't know. It could be a good thing if there will be no big bang.
some thoughts about the fish tank. I mean that the book kept telling everything has to die sooner or later. Nothing could escape death. So why the universe should get its next big bang? the universe would die too. No big bang for it.
Many comments said they hated Cheng Xin. One reason is that she was the death because her keeping fish tank cause the death of the universe. Why people are so angry about that if they accept (agree/ have no problem about) the main theme of book 3 that everything has to die sooner or later?! Philosophically speaking, Cheng Xin kinda did the right thing for what readers all agreed with.
I got the Audio Books of the Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy, now i'm near the finale of Death's End (the 3D to 2D bit, no spoilers).
I've zipped through the Audio Books (50+ hours) in just over a week, and i'm enjoying the story immensely.
I'm a big fan of hard Sci-Fi, and these books scratch that itch nicely.
Cheers.
I don't understand why the Trisolarans didn't just move one of their stars out of the way with a stellar engine. Or, they could have taken a tip from Liu Cixin's Wandering Earth, and move their planet out of the way.
Bc by the rules of the dark forest that would immediately reveal their location. No way anyone watching would miss a whole ass star out of place, or be unable to trace its trajectory back to its original system. You can invade another system without detection, but no way you can move a star or planet without someone at some point noticing, investigating and then wiping you out.
@@geordiejones5618 I guess tip toe very slowly away from the other stars? Any observers would not be able to tell if it was a natural phenomena or artificial.
@@kuanged you really think a species that can eradiate a star with a button can't scrutinize celestial movement? Lol please explain how you would go about a cosmic sleight of hand.
Edit: plus the Trisolarons cannot afford a crawl, why do you think they take the risk to invade despite the sword holders? Even if it was calculated and almost perfect in timing/execution they're very much in a rush before their planet gets swallowed up so for them the ONLY option is to force Earth to submit, as they are doubtful that humanity would just help them out. Moving the planet incurs the same risk as not moving the planet bc of the three body problem.
@@geordiejones5618 Chalking an explanation up to "they are advanced aliens and must have advanced technology" is just a lazy answer founded on assumption and magical thinking. Yes I am arguing that there is nothing to suggest they would ever be able to tell the difference. Why don't you formulate a reasonable hypothesis that explains how they COULD distinguish natural vs unnatural phenomena moving a star at such relativistic distances? Singer's race couldn't even manage to triangulate the origins of other dark forest attacks on the Trisolarians, why would they have any better luck seeing a stellar engine in action? It would just look like a star's movement being impacted by some invisible gravitational effects. Happens all the time. They might not even think to look twice at it.
how is it possible to install an engine on a Sun..?
This woman had the man who made her light speed curve drive space yhact put to death .........🤦♂️🤦🤦♂️🤦🤦♂️🤦🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤦🤦♂️🤦🤦♂️
I loved the trilogy, but the second book had such a poor treatment of women, it digusted me a little. Just the opening chapter is enraging.
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Haha I'm working on it
Typical man's story in here as well. Yearn for a woman, give her a incredible gift, and she offers you up for damnation.
Great summary.
lol. oh poor ye man.