Thanks for sharing. I've been carrying the Shield Plus for a few months. Just got the Holosun 507K and am awaiting the DPP Titanium adapter plate. Can't wait to put it all together and shoot it.
Just bought the Shield Plus this morning and was trying to get info pertaining to red/green dot sight. Glad I caught this one, takes care of the questions I had! Thank you!!!!
When I got my Shield+ OR, I had just moved and didn’t have my shop setup, I ended sending my slide out to a shop who ground down the lugs for $25. It cost another $10 total for shipping round trip but totally worth it, my 507K co-witnesses with the standard height sights perfectly.
@@DocWhiskey1776I’ve seen their reps talk about doing that mod to fit other optics so it would be hard for them to void the warranty, particularly if they can’t prove the mods affected whatever the problem is. A new slide isn’t that expensive anyway, so I’m not really worried.
Why can't S&W just cut their slides for the RMR footprint in the first place. Seems like that is a pretty popular footprint. Maybe I just like my Holosun's.
The Shield Plus, Springfield Hellcat, Glock single stacks, etc are cut for the JPoint/RMSc footprint which are the STANDARD FOOTPRINT FOR MICRO PISTOLS. You should be upset at Holosun for NOT using the standard vs firearm manufacturers for using what's standard.
@finalcountdown7658 there's no reason for that to be the standard, cause all the optics that use that footprint are garbage... shield red dots are unbelievably fragile.
I just used a dpp for my springfield xds mod 2. To replace the crimson trace that came on the gun. For those wondering the hell cat and the xds have the same foot print so you can use the hellcat plate on both. Also the xds mod 2 is designed to co witness even though you don't need to.
@@brandonbouknight8535 try DPP. They are titanium plates and cost around 25 to 35 dollars. Used them with all my optics, also my local gunsmith prefers them over C@H because sometimes you have to grind down the screws.
I can't understand why S&W doesn't add the allen key for the optic plate included in the box. Why can't companies make small things like that one less problem for their customer's to worry about. Thanks for the video!
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 Not just that but, you just unscrew yours no problem. Mine are on there like they used red loctite! Not only do they not include an allen wrench but, even the instruction manual does not id the size key you need! Thanks for this video. I have the Shield Plus and the 407k and when I get the installed screws out, I will be getting a DPP plate and install my new optic!
Great informative video. Both brands were out of stock so I used the DPP Titanium GL-HO7KA to mount a Holosun HE507k-GR-X2 to my S&W M&P Shield Plus optics ready. The plate is the same size as the MP-HO7KA but i had to get screws to fit the Plus. Got mine at Bolt Depot. Socket flat head, Stainless steel 18-8 black oxide finish, #6-32 x 1/2". Plate holes were very tight and needed some scraping out as in the video.I finished by tapping it down tight with a wood block.Very happy with the results.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 Hey can you share the direct link to that adapter plate. I looked at the link and I can’t seem to find the one for the M&P shield plus
I sprung the 75 bucks and had a gunsmith grind off the rear posts and shape the front posts to fit the 407k. I can use the iron sights as well as the dot now.
@@siriusbusiness2351 it holds on to the trigger guard, it has tiny screws and it does a great job. You can search it, streamlight trl-6 for shield plus 👍
If the front of the optic is sitting up higher than the back: On the bottom of my Holosun 407k there was some silicone attached. I assume to help with shock absorption. I needed to scrape that off in order for the sight to fit flush. Take a razor blade and scrape it flush to the body of the optic. That tiny amount of silicone made it so the sight would not seat.
Do the iron sights still co witness with the holosun? Thats the only reason im leaning toward the cyelee cat pro. It doesnt need an adapter and it will co witness with the stock irons. But if it does cowitnesses with the holosun id rather go with them.
Waiting for the plate for Shield plus to be back in stock. Got the HS507 on my Max9, gonna put the same on the Shield. Before trying to zero at the range I put mine in a vice so it wont move and adjust the dot to near zero. Saves some time and a few bullets.
At 8:18... this is why there is a difference in price between this and the C&H product... the C&H fits perfectly... no need to force in or sand off the paint on the plate or the finish on the gun!!
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 maybe 30 seconds of fitting...but get it wrong....u just cost yourself more than the 25 bucks in resale value when you jack up your gun...
There was no way to damage the gun. The finish on the plate was a little too thick. I never altered the gun. I scratched a little finish from the indents in the plate.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 you did this right. I would rather drill, scratch, file a $25 piece of metal plate than alter my $600 gun. I'm with you. Good job. Exactly the plate I'm looking for. Not a $50 plate I have wait for.
You can do that. However if you do it could hurt the resale value of the pistol. It will also limit you on what red dot you can put on if you decide to go a different route down the road.
I have the shield plus in 30 Super Carry and the optic slide has only 2 post verses the 4 on the 9mm version making the Holosun 407k/507k bolt directly to the slide without a plate unlike the 9mm version which needs a plate or needs to be modified.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 a little less recoil than 9mm but not by much. Ballistics wise very close as well in some cases it penetrates more than 9mm. Overall 9mm out performs 30SC but 30SC is a great option for conceal and carry and will definitely get the job done.
You have to grind down the lugs in the rear and trim the front ones or completely remove them to cowitness with your iron sights. If you get a plate you will still see the irons but will not cowitness. Screws are 6/32.
The Trijicon footprint is pretty much dead, majority of micro pistol footprints are Shield. Holosun needs to get with the program and make some Shield pattern optics.
I’m a bit of a safe queen with my pewpews lol and watching this man put down his shield that hard on his tailgate of his truck really ruffled my feathers haha
It’s funny but you have to get over that mentality, we tend to emulate what we know in an emergency and the last thing you want to do in an emergency is to treat your defensive pistol as a safe queen.
How do you feel about an adapter plate like this inhibiting the optic from co-witnessing with the sights? This seems to be a particularly salient feature for an optic on a carry gun
not my video, but if those holosuns will last a lifetime. I say just mate the optic to the pistol for life and dremel the lugs so you don't need an adapter, thus lowering the optic and making the co-witness usable
I have a G19g4 with a Titanium adapter on the rear slot. You cannot cowitness even using supressor sights. However, I don't care. Also as a note, It's even better fir conceal carry because the optic remains to the very rear and for me it's even more comfortable.
@@NestorNegronDiaz agreed. The Shield Plus sights are so low you could never cowitness. I'm just gonna use the Holosun alone. My full size m&p came with tall sights but no optics cut. Those sights snag in the holster every time. They will get changed though.
@@NestorNegronDiaz I got a G19 gen 4 MOS and got a Burris Fastfire 3 on it. I also have Trijicon suppressor height sights. I can cowitch and seamlessly switch from irons to red dot.
I believe there are some shield vers that you can remove the other two pins with a pliers. ( maybe all, I dont know) I have the taurus gx4 toro with shield footprint optic, I installed the holosun 407k x2 without any trouble by simply removing the two extra protruding pins, actually with a tweezers.
Hey brother, thanks for sharing, looks like a nice optic. Not trying to be an ass, just a little confused... I don't believe there's a shield plus 2.0. There's a shield 2.0 And a shield plus. Correct me if I'm wrong please. Enjoys your videos!
@@BASSLOVE4EVER the OG Shield and the 2.0 are pretty much identical, and parts are interchangeable, especially these aftermarket parts. The Shield Plus has a wider grip so it is not as interchangeable as the OG and 2.0 are to each other
It's not an Allen key it is a T8 torque bit, the DPP adapter plate and Holosun come with T10 torque screws. I run a 407K on a Hellcat Pro and a 507K on my Shield Plus, both with DPP plates. They work great!
Not really. I mean you can kind of see the sights but honestly I dont use the sights if I have an optic installed. If the optic fails as long as the bad guy is in the optic window I know I can hit him. I show this on a different video where I make lethal shots as 15-20yds without the optic on.
Silly question i'm sure. but i'm wondering if it'd make sense to glue the plate with something before putting it down. I plan on getting another shield and a 509t to slap on it. i watched the entire video, but it looks like you can't use your backup sights with it. at least form the angles I saw, it looks like the top of the rear sight meets up at the base of the optic. makes me think i may have to file or mill mine into submission. edit, thanks for the video.
You cant really see the sights but they really are not needed if you train. You dont need to glue the plate. Just use some loc-tite on the screws and it wont go anywhere.
You mention in your video to be sure to have the right size allen wrench to remove the cover plate screws but don't say what the correct size is. Can you post that please? Having a tough time finding the correct size and don't want to mess it up...thks
Good morning, What do you recommend for a MRDS Docter/Noblex footprint for an M.P. 2.0 optic ready 9mm. I bought Primary Arms SLx RS-10 1x23mm Mini Reflex Sight - 3 MOA Dot does not fit my M.P. 2.0 optic ready.
Anyone interested in a Shield Plus Performance center ported barrel with the red dot, has about 400 rounds on it. For $475 , im looking to buy parts for my full size
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 I added it to my shopping list so hopefully they'll notify when in stock. Thinking this plate with the new Holosun EPS Carry model will be a great combo. Thanks
Honestly the Shield RMSC Glass is really nice. I don't get why people think these holosuns are nicer. The only holosun I have cracked after dropping just once from like 1.5 ft onto tile. My Shield RMSC on my Shield Plus literally gets used to rack the gun off a table Sage Dynamic's style and has no bends and 0 scratches. Shield RMSC is a just fine - duty carry grade sight. It's why it's the STANDARD of the footprint. Not to mention direct fit, it's not made in CHINA.
The only Shield I ever owned was awhile back and the lens scratched easier than any other optic Ive ever seen. Maybe they have fixed the cheap scratchable plastic lens now.
Does that Holosun allow cowitness with the iron sights? I have Crimson Trace CTS-1550 I got for $70 since it was cheap and has cowitness, but if I end up wanting something higher quality, I still want cowitness.
Wow , I just bought a defender and that baby just fell right down in the slot . I know it sucks compared to a holosun but at least I can feel good about something 😂
The cover plate screws are hex (allen) and the adapter plate screws are Torx. Heads on the original screws won't fit the optic either. I'm doing this install now
Question any help I bought my shield + without The slide cut now I want a red dot. Where can a get a after market slide for the gun with a optic cut. Called SW they do not sell just the slide. They should be more like Glock or sig. Any help,
Your best bet would be to find a gunsmith shop that does slide milling and just have your slide milled for the red dot you want. Just google Shield slide milling and you should find someone.
Can you please provide me the links for the plate adapter and Holosun model #. What a beautiful machinery. Thank you for posting the video. Subscribed.
There is a link in the description on the video. All you have to do is follow that link the DPP store and select the one for the Shield. I also show the item number in the video. If you use that number on the DPP box you can find it.
It's funny to me that everyone wants the manufacturers to standardize on one footprint, which they basically *did* for the subcompacts with the RMSc. Then holosun makes one or two new optics that everyone likes better, and now we all need plates to run the new optics. We are a long long way away from footprint standardization...
What was your method of zeroing? I have a Holosun 407k on my Shadow Systems CR920 and I didn't need an adapter plate however I just bought my wife the Shield EZ 9mm. Do you know what Holosun model I would use for her SW? Thanks!
Can anyone confirm if the Shield Plus 30 super carry has a different footprint? I have one, bought and mounted a 507k yesterday. No mounting plate, no slide modding. Mounted right on with supplied screws. Everywhere I look everyone seems to need to do one or the other, so I'm confused.
I wonder if the C&H plate would need paint scraped away? By the way, Chinese steel isn't anywhere near as good as USA grade. Take it from someone who works with both.
Yeah , not a big fan with the crimson trace that came on the 4 in p.c. model when i bought it abt a yr ago , seems very flimsy to be on a pistol i shoot once a week and it alredy malfunctioned, at least they sent a brand new one bk to me in abt a week , but with no explanation
I zero at about 10yds. From my understanding that is about the normal distance for a self defense shooting. Im breaking the sight picture after each shot because I am foocusing on accuracy and acquiring the sight picture everytime to make sure my presentation ising changing.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 The Holosun 407's were at a real decent price at C&H, with a 25% discount on the plate with purchase, so I've got one on the way for my M&P Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry ! Thanks !
I know that adapter was $25 and I paid $50 for a American made CH plate but mine fit perfect unlike your Chinese knock off that you had to beat on and file coatings off also I noticed a air gap between gun and the plate after you came back that I imagine you had to squease close with the optics bolts. That being said I liked your video!
It was a good carry but I moved on to a different gun on New Years Day. I have to rotate them out for you guys so I can have content. My new EDC video will drop in a couple of weeks. Subscribe so you know when it drops.
Is the plate listed as working for other guns as well? I followed the link in your description and they didn't have one for the shield. The only m&p plate they have is a crappy dovetail adapter.
It should be coming back. There is a weird thing with Amazon about back orders and out of stock. It has to be listed a certain way or something like that. I believe that is the issue.
No the “C” model is for the normal sized pistol. Something like a Glock 19, Sig P320, S&W M&P. The “K” model is for the smaller sized carry guns like a Hellcat, Glock 43x, Sig P365 or the Shield.
Does she still fit in that AIWB holster with the Holosun? Either way, it looks like I am about to make a good decision. And thanks for your effort. God bless.
@Arkansas Outdoors Channel Roger. I had my rear post milled off, and I touched up on the front. No plate, and I can see my iron sights right through my red dot. Ordered the plate kit for the screws and my buddy will use the plate. The kit I got came with 4 screws. I've been hearing people say they only get 3. But they fit fine, it was the locktite.
I really like S&W but the witness hole on the barrel kills it for me, I just sold my M&P 2.0 because my optic would get dirty after just a few round. it is very annoying.
It’s even worse for those poor saps in california. They must have the stupid bar type loaded chamber indicator, therefore they can’t get the slide milled for an optic.
Cost of goods sold is usually a small percentage of the value chain with consumer goods. Marketing is usually the largest cost by far. Try this experiment: make your own adapter plates for $1 each. See how many you sell without doing any marketing -- i.e., zero. Now start paying for advertising, retailer commissions and so on. Very quickly you will be spending far more than $1 per plate getting your goods to market. Now think, would you also like a profit in exchange for all your work, and all the risk you are taking investing your time and money into this venture?
I zero from one end of my house to the other lol i use a bore sight and i can zero it at about 11 yards probably. Took it to the range and its good. I can shoot better than my irons
Thanks for sharing. I've been carrying the Shield Plus for a few months. Just got the Holosun 507K and am awaiting the DPP Titanium adapter plate. Can't wait to put it all together and shoot it.
Awesome! I hope you like it.
Just bought the Shield Plus this morning and was trying to get info pertaining to red/green dot sight. Glad I caught this one, takes care of the questions I had! Thank you!!!!
Right on! Glad I could help.
When I got my Shield+ OR, I had just moved and didn’t have my shop setup, I ended sending my slide out to a shop who ground down the lugs for $25. It cost another $10 total for shipping round trip but totally worth it, my 507K co-witnesses with the standard height sights perfectly.
Yeah you can grind them down pretty easy with just a file at home. But I prefer not to change the firearm when I can just throw a plate on it.
Which shop? Just curious cause some shops specifically say they wont take the OR
Doesn’t that void the warranty though?
@@DocWhiskey1776I’ve seen their reps talk about doing that mod to fit other optics so it would be hard for them to void the warranty, particularly if they can’t prove the mods affected whatever the problem is. A new slide isn’t that expensive anyway, so I’m not really worried.
I'm surprised people want co-witnessing
Why can't S&W just cut their slides for the RMR footprint in the first place. Seems like that is a pretty popular footprint. Maybe I just like my Holosun's.
I wish they would switch to the Holosun ft print as well.
They foot print is for crimson Trace
The Shield Plus, Springfield Hellcat, Glock single stacks, etc are cut for the JPoint/RMSc footprint which are the STANDARD FOOTPRINT FOR MICRO PISTOLS. You should be upset at Holosun for NOT using the standard vs firearm manufacturers for using what's standard.
@@finalcountdown7658dude yeah I was very confused when he said “no one uses the shield footprint”. It’s very, very common 😂
@finalcountdown7658 there's no reason for that to be the standard, cause all the optics that use that footprint are garbage... shield red dots are unbelievably fragile.
Thank you! This is EXACTLY what I’ve been searching for, for the past week.
Glad it was helpful!
I just used a dpp for my springfield xds mod 2. To replace the crimson trace that came on the gun. For those wondering the hell cat and the xds have the same foot print so you can use the hellcat plate on both. Also the xds mod 2 is designed to co witness even though you don't need to.
Thanks for the info on the fitment.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 welcome
You the hero for this info!! Installing and swapping now 😎🫵🏼🙏🤌🏼💨
It actually does not seat in the front of the plate at all that’s the c&h plate for hellcat going on the 9 shield plus I just tried … 😑
@@brandonbouknight8535 try DPP. They are titanium plates and cost around 25 to 35 dollars. Used them with all my optics, also my local gunsmith prefers them over C@H because sometimes you have to grind down the screws.
I can't understand why S&W doesn't add the allen key for the optic plate included in the box. Why can't companies make small things like that one less problem for their customer's to worry about. Thanks for the video!
It would only add like 1 buck to the price and would make life much easier.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 Not just that but, you just unscrew yours no problem. Mine are on there like they used red loctite! Not only do they not include an allen wrench but, even the instruction manual does not id the size key you need! Thanks for this video. I have the Shield Plus and the 407k and when I get the installed screws out, I will be getting a DPP plate and install my new optic!
Great informative video. Both brands were out of stock so I used the DPP Titanium GL-HO7KA to mount a Holosun HE507k-GR-X2 to my S&W M&P Shield Plus optics ready. The plate is the same size as the MP-HO7KA but i had to get screws to fit the Plus. Got mine at Bolt Depot. Socket flat head, Stainless steel 18-8 black oxide finish, #6-32 x 1/2". Plate holes were very tight and needed some scraping out as in the video.I finished by tapping it down tight with a wood block.Very happy with the results.
I’m glad you made it work
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867
Hey can you share the direct link to that adapter plate. I looked at the link and I can’t seem to find the one for the M&P shield plus
I sprung the 75 bucks and had a gunsmith grind off the rear posts and shape the front posts to fit the 407k. I can use the iron sights as well as the dot now.
My shield + is not optic ready .I just used 2 sided tape from Walmart works great
If the tape fails maybe you could have the optic welded to the slide LOL
Get with it bro...Velcro works much better!🤷
Thanks for this video! Been looking at getting a good optic for my Shield Plus. Keep up the great content!
Thank you for watching
I have the shield plus optics ready with the streamlight trl-6 but next upgrade will be that holosun! Looks good! Thanks for the tip on the plate 👍😎
I thought the Shield didn't come with rails. How were you able to mount the TLR6? Is there an adapter available?
@@siriusbusiness2351 it holds on to the trigger guard, it has tiny screws and it does a great job. You can search it, streamlight trl-6 for shield plus 👍
There's a rail adapter that fits on the way the tl6 does, it is $30, made in the U.S., good luck getting a holster though.
Just bought a Shield Plus optics ready today, and got this item added to my wish list. Thanks, friend!
If the front of the optic is sitting up higher than the back:
On the bottom of my Holosun 407k there was some silicone attached. I assume to help with shock absorption. I needed to scrape that off in order for the sight to fit flush. Take a razor blade and scrape it flush to the body of the optic. That tiny amount of silicone made it so the sight would not seat.
No telling yet how that will affect longevity…
Do the iron sights still co witness with the holosun? Thats the only reason im leaning toward the cyelee cat pro. It doesnt need an adapter and it will co witness with the stock irons. But if it does cowitnesses with the holosun id rather go with them.
Nice combo with the Shield and Holosun! Clear informative review! Have a Holosun on my G43X and SIG P365X. Might have to add the Shield Plus next!
Thanks for watching!
I think you will find the shield plus has less perceived recoil then those you currently own
Waiting for the plate for Shield plus to be back in stock. Got the HS507 on my Max9, gonna put the same on the Shield. Before trying to zero at the range I put mine in a vice so it wont move and adjust the dot to near zero. Saves some time and a few bullets.
At 8:18... this is why there is a difference in price between this and the C&H product... the C&H fits perfectly... no need to force in or sand off the paint on the plate or the finish on the gun!!
I’ll save the 25 bucks for 30 seconds of fitting. But to each their own.
Neither co-witness either way so I'll save the 25 bucks too lol
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 maybe 30 seconds of fitting...but get it wrong....u just cost yourself more than the 25 bucks in resale value when you jack up your gun...
There was no way to damage the gun. The finish on the plate was a little too thick. I never altered the gun. I scratched a little finish from the indents in the plate.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 you did this right. I would rather drill, scratch, file a $25 piece of metal plate than alter my $600 gun. I'm with you. Good job. Exactly the plate I'm looking for. Not a $50 plate I have wait for.
Seems simplest and best plan is cut off the two rear posts and not add a bunch of height to the optic.
You can do that. However if you do it could hurt the resale value of the pistol. It will also limit you on what red dot you can put on if you decide to go a different route down the road.
And that plate only looked like 1/16" high. Not a big difference.
I have the shield plus in 30 Super Carry and the optic slide has only 2 post verses the 4 on the 9mm version making the Holosun 407k/507k bolt directly to the slide without a plate unlike the 9mm version which needs a plate or needs to be modified.
How do you like the 30 Super Carry? I haven't ever shot one.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 a little less recoil than 9mm but not by much. Ballistics wise very close as well in some cases it penetrates more than 9mm. Overall 9mm out performs 30SC but 30SC is a great option for conceal and carry and will definitely get the job done.
Do you need to buy extra screws for the installation on the Shield Plus 9 using the Amazon plate and the Holosun sight. ?
Going off of memory I used the screws from the Holosun package.
I used the longer set of screws that came with the plate.
There's a new Holosun EPS Carry with the same footprint (built-in rear iron sight).
I would like to try one of those and one of the SCS for a Glock MOS.
You have to grind down the lugs in the rear and trim the front ones or completely remove them to cowitness with your iron sights. If you get a plate you will still see the irons but will not cowitness. Screws are 6/32.
Thanks for the info. I specifically do not want co-witnessing.
Also, if you get a Holosun EPS or EPS Carry, they come with adapter plates.
Thank you for the info on the slide, I also have the S&W m&p 9 shield , I will be getting the 507 👍
Good choice!
Bullets in the ears I do the same thing when I forget my ear plugs empty bullet cases work fine also
LOL Im lucky 9mm fits so well.
The Trijicon footprint is pretty much dead, majority of micro pistol footprints are Shield. Holosun needs to get with the program and make some Shield pattern optics.
I agree
I have a Glock 43x mos I used the dpp adapter plate with a holosun 407k and the stock Glock sights do not co-witness with the red dot.
Thanks for the info
I’m a bit of a safe queen with my pewpews lol and watching this man put down his shield that hard on his tailgate of his truck really ruffled my feathers haha
If that bothered you then don’t watch my video reviews of the Primary Arms and Monstrum red dots! I did a “drop test” on them and my AR15s.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 I’ll be sure to watch them
It’s funny but you have to get over that mentality, we tend to emulate what we know in an emergency and the last thing you want to do in an emergency is to treat your defensive pistol as a safe queen.
@@milspecmike8440 true true!!
Lemme' guess, you don't let your mags drop to the ground?
Bad habit, get rid of that mag and get another in ASAP!
How do you feel about an adapter plate like this inhibiting the optic from co-witnessing with the sights? This seems to be a particularly salient feature for an optic on a carry gun
not my video, but if those holosuns will last a lifetime. I say just mate the optic to the pistol for life and dremel the lugs so you don't need an adapter, thus lowering the optic and making the co-witness usable
I have a G19g4 with a Titanium adapter on the rear slot. You cannot cowitness even using supressor sights. However, I don't care. Also as a note, It's even better fir conceal carry because the optic remains to the very rear and for me it's even more comfortable.
@@NestorNegronDiaz agreed. The Shield Plus sights are so low you could never cowitness. I'm just gonna use the Holosun alone. My full size m&p came with tall sights but no optics cut. Those sights snag in the holster every time. They will get changed though.
@@NestorNegronDiaz I got a G19 gen 4 MOS and got a Burris Fastfire 3 on it. I also have Trijicon suppressor height sights. I can cowitch and seamlessly switch from irons to red dot.
@@steveh5307 Great. I with I could fino a g4 MOS slide.
I believe there are some shield vers that you can remove the other two pins with a pliers. ( maybe all, I dont know) I have the taurus gx4 toro with shield footprint optic, I installed the holosun 407k x2 without any trouble by simply removing the two extra protruding pins, actually with a tweezers.
Great suggestion. Great review. Great shooting. And awesome ears!
Thank for watching!
Hey brother, thanks for sharing, looks like a nice optic.
Not trying to be an ass, just a little confused...
I don't believe there's a shield plus 2.0.
There's a shield 2.0
And a shield plus.
Correct me if I'm wrong please.
Enjoys your videos!
You are correct.
The M&P Shield was first.
Then the Shield 2.0.
Then the Plus.
@@KinKnives Thank you.
Wasn't sure.
So if I have the original shield can I still add this even tho it’s not a 2.0 like yours?
@@BASSLOVE4EVER the OG Shield and the 2.0 are pretty much identical, and parts are interchangeable, especially these aftermarket parts. The Shield Plus has a wider grip so it is not as interchangeable as the OG and 2.0 are to each other
It's not an Allen key it is a T8 torque bit, the DPP adapter plate and Holosun come with T10 torque screws. I run a 407K on a Hellcat Pro and a 507K on my Shield Plus, both with DPP plates. They work great!
Whats the difference between the 407k and 507k?
Can you still cowitness the irons with the plate on? It was hard to tell from the video.
Not really. I mean you can kind of see the sights but honestly I dont use the sights if I have an optic installed. If the optic fails as long as the bad guy is in the optic window I know I can hit him. I show this on a different video where I make lethal shots as 15-20yds without the optic on.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 Good to know, thanks for the informative response.
Silly question i'm sure. but i'm wondering if it'd make sense to glue the plate with something before putting it down. I plan on getting another shield and a 509t to slap on it.
i watched the entire video, but it looks like you can't use your backup sights with it. at least form the angles I saw, it looks like the top of the rear sight meets up at the base of the optic. makes me think i may have to file or mill mine into submission.
edit, thanks for the video.
You cant really see the sights but they really are not needed if you train. You dont need to glue the plate. Just use some loc-tite on the screws and it wont go anywhere.
You mention in your video to be sure to have the right size allen wrench to remove the cover plate screws but don't say what the correct size is. Can you post that please? Having a tough time finding the correct size and don't want to mess it up...thks
Me too.
It is 5/64" exactly. Just checked. Fits snug. Make sure the wrench goes down inside all the way. I've heard people stripping the screws before
Good morning,
What do you recommend for a MRDS Docter/Noblex footprint for an M.P. 2.0 optic ready 9mm. I bought Primary Arms SLx RS-10 1x23mm Mini Reflex Sight - 3 MOA Dot does not fit my M.P. 2.0 optic ready.
I havent ever used that footprint so I cant help. Sorry.
Thank you for this video man can't wait to get my rig up and running
Any time!
Anyone interested in a Shield Plus Performance center ported barrel with the red dot, has about 400 rounds on it. For $475 , im looking to buy parts for my full size
That's a great deal!
I'm sure it went fast!
Just looked at Amazon link and this item shows as unavailable?? Don't see it anywhere else online...
It’s currently out of stock. Amazon won’t let you have an out of stock listing. Keep checking the next few weeks more stock is coming
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 I added it to my shopping list so hopefully they'll notify when in stock. Thinking this plate with the new Holosun EPS Carry model will be a great combo. Thanks
Honestly the Shield RMSC Glass is really nice. I don't get why people think these holosuns are nicer. The only holosun I have cracked after dropping just once from like 1.5 ft onto tile.
My Shield RMSC on my Shield Plus literally gets used to rack the gun off a table Sage Dynamic's style and has no bends and 0 scratches.
Shield RMSC is a just fine - duty carry grade sight. It's why it's the STANDARD of the footprint. Not to mention direct fit, it's not made in CHINA.
The only Shield I ever owned was awhile back and the lens scratched easier than any other optic Ive ever seen. Maybe they have fixed the cheap scratchable plastic lens now.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 The problem was you got the plastic lense in the first place. My Shield RMSC is glass.
Thanks for the video, this is exactly what I needed
Same here. Super easy. This WILL be my setup.
Does that Holosun allow cowitness with the iron sights? I have Crimson Trace CTS-1550 I got for $70 since it was cheap and has cowitness, but if I end up wanting something higher quality, I still want cowitness.
It kind of does.
Wow , I just bought a defender and that baby just fell right down in the slot . I know it sucks compared to a holosun but at least I can feel good about something 😂
LOL!
FYI with the holoson 407 you don't need the adapter plate on the 30 Super Carry just on the nine
Thanks for the info!
I cannot wait to get this❤️🙏🏾😎
Great job. Wouldn’t the Allen wrench that came with new plate also work to remove the screws on the original plate?
The cover plate screws are hex (allen) and the adapter plate screws are Torx. Heads on the original screws won't fit the optic either. I'm doing this install now
Question any help I bought my shield + without The slide cut now I want a red dot. Where can a get a after market slide for the gun with a optic cut. Called SW they do not sell just the slide. They should be more like Glock or sig. Any help,
Your best bet would be to find a gunsmith shop that does slide milling and just have your slide milled for the red dot you want. Just google Shield slide milling and you should find someone.
FWIW I had to send C&H plate back didn't fit. Holosun EPS carry comes with plate.
Yeah I used the EPS plate on my G43X build
Agreed! I have the 507k on my Shield plus. Mine was NOT OR so I had to pay CH Precision a bit to mill it for me.
Its a good combo
Nice presentation. What did you use to scrape the finish from inside the post holes?
I'm not sure what you mean by the inside of the post holes?
Can you please provide me the links for the plate adapter and Holosun model #. What a beautiful machinery. Thank you for posting the video. Subscribed.
There is a link in the description on the video. All you have to do is follow that link the DPP store and select the one for the Shield.
I also show the item number in the video. If you use that number on the DPP box you can find it.
Just bought the Shield Plus (OR). Do you wish that you would have bought the American made adaptor plate? Just curious.
No regrets
It's funny to me that everyone wants the manufacturers to standardize on one footprint, which they basically *did* for the subcompacts with the RMSc. Then holosun makes one or two new optics that everyone likes better, and now we all need plates to run the new optics. We are a long long way away from footprint standardization...
What was your method of zeroing? I have a Holosun 407k on my Shadow Systems CR920 and I didn't need an adapter plate however I just bought my wife the Shield EZ 9mm. Do you know what Holosun model I would use for her SW? Thanks!
Adjust dot to sit on front sight!
I cannot find the exact plate. It seems like MP-H07KA, and on Amazon, they don't have it. Could you give me the direct link for it?
Try this one,
www.amazon.com/dp/B0B384YG5C?ref=myi_title_dp
it said currently unavailable, but Thanks:)
What size allen key did you use to remove the screws holding the plate on the Shield?
Sorry I don’t know the size. I just happened to have one in my tool bin
5/64 allen key or if you round it off, tap a Torx T9 gently with a hammer and it worked for me.
Hi what allen wrench u used to take off the optic ready plate from the S&w shield plus.
Please.
Can anyone confirm if the Shield Plus 30 super carry has a different footprint? I have one, bought and mounted a 507k yesterday. No mounting plate, no slide modding. Mounted right on with supplied screws. Everywhere I look everyone seems to need to do one or the other, so I'm confused.
Sorry I can’t help with that one. Keep any eye out in the comments surely someone has a gun like yours.
I wonder if the C&H plate would need paint scraped away? By the way, Chinese steel isn't anywhere near as good as USA grade. Take it from someone who works with both.
The C&H might not need a little scape but it needs 25 more dollars to buy.
Do the irons co-witness at all?
No really. You kind of have to look though the base of the red dot.
Do you still have this gun? And are you very happy with the setup overall.
I am very happy with it. Its a good set up. I do plan on trading the gun just so I can keep making new gun content
Do you by any chance know if the Holosun HE507K-GR will fit an M&P shield plus that’s optics ready?
It should with the proper plate. The 507k and 407k have the same footprint
Are you able to use the iron sights still? Looks like a great setup.
Not really but kind of. You can use them but it's like you have to aim through the optic body.
Does the thickness of the plate negate the intentions of the iron or is it thin?
@Arkansas Outdoors Can you add a red dot to a S&W shield plus that is not OR?
If you have the slide milled by a gunsmith.
Yeah , not a big fan with the crimson trace that came on the 4 in p.c. model when i bought it abt a yr ago , seems very flimsy to be on a pistol i shoot once a week and it alredy malfunctioned, at least they sent a brand new one bk to me in abt a week , but with no explanation
For me Holosun or Trijicon are the only way to go.
You think its possible to get a replacement cover plate and screws
Super helpful vid, thanks man!
Glad it helped!
Can you still co witness or does the plate adapters make it too high to still use irons? I want to put this on my plus.
No you cant really co witness.
Thanks for the information. Appreciate your video.
My pleasure!
What range do you zero? Plus why are u only shottin once then breaking sight picture?
I zero at about 10yds. From my understanding that is about the normal distance for a self defense shooting. Im breaking the sight picture after each shot because I am foocusing on accuracy and acquiring the sight picture everytime to make sure my presentation ising changing.
amazon no longer lists an MP H07KA DPP titanium adaptor plate, so I guess C&H Precision is my next choice.
I think they are just out of stock. Amazon has weird rules about in stock and backordered items. If you cant wait then yeah C&H is the way to go.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 The Holosun 407's were at a real decent price at C&H, with a 25% discount on the plate with purchase, so I've got one on the way for my M&P Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry ! Thanks !
They're introducing the new version second generation sometime next week. They also will be sending it for a free trial.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 They're preparing for the second generation--the company emailed me.
I know that adapter was $25 and I paid $50 for a American made CH plate but mine fit perfect unlike your Chinese knock off that you had to beat on and file coatings off also I noticed a air gap between gun and the plate after you came back that I imagine you had to squease close with the optics bolts.
That being said I liked your video!
How's your shield plus holding up? After a few months of having to carry.
It was a good carry but I moved on to a different gun on New Years Day. I have to rotate them out for you guys so I can have content. My new EDC video will drop in a couple of weeks. Subscribe so you know when it drops.
Is the plate listed as working for other guns as well? I followed the link in your description and they didn't have one for the shield. The only m&p plate they have is a crappy dovetail adapter.
I think it’s currently out of stock and that’s why you can’t find it.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 it says it’s current unavailable so idk if they are coming back 🤷♂️
It should be coming back. There is a weird thing with Amazon about back orders and out of stock. It has to be listed a certain way or something like that. I believe that is the issue.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 I'll check back periodically I definitely want one!
I notice you have HS407K X2. Can you use HOLOSUN - HS407C-X2 on the S&W Shield Plus 2.0?
No the “C” model is for the normal sized pistol. Something like a Glock 19, Sig P320, S&W M&P. The “K” model is for the smaller sized carry guns like a Hellcat, Glock 43x, Sig P365 or the Shield.
what kind of co witness do you get with this setup?
You dont really get a co witness, You are kind of looking though the base of the optic to line up the sights.
Does she still fit in that AIWB holster with the Holosun?
Either way, it looks like I am about to make a good decision.
And thanks for your effort. God bless.
No the Holosun hits the holster before its fully seated. You can cut the holster to fit if you wanted to.
@@arkansasoutdoorschannel1867 thanks for your quick response. I'll stick with the night sights for a bit, decide later if an upgrade is in order.
@@shanecabbage2187 Amazon has a holster with an optics cut too. But the regular shield holster fits.
@@mikewithers299 good to know. Thanks!
@@mikewithers299 good to know. Thanks!
Were the screws tight the first time you put them in? I gusse it's the lock tight.
Everything seemed to have worked out just fine. Never had any issues.
@Arkansas Outdoors Channel Roger. I had my rear post milled off, and I touched up on the front. No plate, and I can see my iron sights right through my red dot. Ordered the plate kit for the screws and my buddy will use the plate. The kit I got came with 4 screws. I've been hearing people say they only get 3. But they fit fine, it was the locktite.
Is the optics cut cover plate made of steel or plastic?
Does it cowitness
There's plenty of rmsc dots to choose from...what's the problem
I prefer the Holosun.
Enclosed red dot suggestions?
Is your Shield Plus 2.0 performance center? Or just regular Shield Plus?
Normal shield
How does the holosun look so much cleaner than that crimson trace that comes on the shield plus lol?
I think the Holosun and the RMR have the best look on just about any pistol.
The crimson trace hangs over the slide a tad.
It's hard to see on this vid if the holosun fit more flush, he moves the gun around too fast.
@@KinKnives I'm installing mine now. It is flush with the Shield Plus slide
I really like S&W but the witness hole on the barrel kills it for me, I just sold my M&P 2.0 because my optic would get dirty after just a few round. it is very annoying.
Was it the M&P 2.0 compact? Or which model
Could ammo be the issue?
I shoot the porter model with a red dot on matches and I NEVER encountered my optic getting dirty
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4.25 Performance center ported.
It’s even worse for those poor saps in california.
They must have the stupid bar type loaded chamber indicator,
therefore they can’t get the slide milled for an optic.
@@alfonsobrena the ports probably make it do that.. I've never heard of that being an issue for non ported models before
I know it's off subject but nice ford truck I got a 95 f150 like it 👍
Thanks. It’s a 91 model and I’ve owned it for about 10 years now.
I have a shield plus. What iwb holster u recommend for it??
T-Rex Arms Sidecar
Can u see the iron sights through the optic?
Just the tiniest sliver of the very top of the sights.
To co-witness with red dot you need suppressor height sights.
@@isaakjunkeer785 would be nice but who makes them for the shield
@@johnsmith-ds6mo check Dawson precision sights I think they have them.
did your iron sights co witness with that plate or no?
Not really
Got a link to your hat? I dig it!
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Well, crap! My plus doesn't have that acces panel on top of slide for mounting :(
Just have your slide milled for a RDS.
You will have to find a company to mill the slide. Just have it milled to fit whatever optic you want. You wont need a plate then.
where do I get the Holoson optic
Lots of places sell them. Midwayusa, Primary Arms, Big Tex, Amazon, favorite local gun store.
Cost of goods sold is usually a small percentage of the value chain with consumer goods. Marketing is usually the largest cost by far. Try this experiment: make your own adapter plates for $1 each. See how many you sell without doing any marketing -- i.e., zero. Now start paying for advertising, retailer commissions and so on. Very quickly you will be spending far more than $1 per plate getting your goods to market. Now think, would you also like a profit in exchange for all your work, and all the risk you are taking investing your time and money into this venture?
should check out dove dot adaptive plate. It is very thin and comes with built in rear and front tall sight
What trigger setup is that and will it work on the original shield 9
Its the factory trigger. I dont know if they make one for the original shield
Did you figure out with you were shooting left? Before the optic
The sights needed adjusted.
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
I zero from one end of my house to the other lol i use a bore sight and i can zero it at about 11 yards probably. Took it to the range and its good. I can shoot better than my irons
Nothing wrong with a realistic useable zero for your personal use.
Are the 507K Red Dot and Green Dot have the same dimensions?
507k red or green are the same as 407k red or green. 507c and 407c are the same size but made for the larger size guns.