The 2020 Lexus GS-F Is a Bad New Car, But a Great Used One
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The 2020 Lexus GS-F isn't great -- but it could be, if you buy it in a few years. Today I'm reviewing the GS-F, and I'm going to show you why it's not so great, and why you'll want to wait to buy one. I'm also showing you all the quirks and features of the GS-F, and I'm going to drive the GS-F to show you what the Lexus GS-F is like on the road.
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Doug: “I’ve borrowed this car from a local owner here who is going to be extremely disappointed when they watch this.”
Saab95Performance Why do I get the feeling you are excited you get to break the news to this person ?
GORDO EINSTEIN Chris Harris and Jeremy clarkson likes it...so should we listen to a youtuber who buys used Mercedes wagon and 90s Land Rover or the pros?
@@apt62 he didn't say he didn't like it... He just said it was a bit overpriced
@@apt62 I mean listen to whoever you want, but Doug laid out some pretty objective numbers and what he is saying in this video makes a lot of sense. So what if Clarkson likes the car, does that mean it's worth it for 90k? You do you bro.
@@johanneswielenga6902 No one buys it new for 90k and Doug is being deceptive by stating that in the video. People receive huge manufacturer rebates and dealership discounts and end up buying it for 75k, not bad for such a reliable car.
Imagine Doug being your Uber passenger while he roasts your whole whip
I’m Anonymous 😂
I'd rather listen to him pick apart a car than the Arrogant Asian. Anyone know who I'm calling out? All you bloggers out there let me know.
@@christophertabor7893 the gay one?
Looks like someone is getting 1 star or maybe 2. Naw 1 is good for the roaster. ;)
(Doug gets in the back)
Thissss is a piece of sh^$!t
As a M5 and C63 owner, all the things Doug mentioned that makes the German cars technologically superior to the GS-F are the exact features that ironically makes them unreliable. Lexus may be very late to the technology party, but I'm certain that Lexus owners don't suffer from anxiety of being stranded on the side of the road due to unreliable tech as some of us BMW and Mercedes owners do ;)
The people that buy Lexus cars are well aware that German luxury cars are better than Japanese cars…..when everything is functioning in the German car as it should…..and that’s why they buy a Lexus 😂
100%
@@Matys1975 exactly my point. Lexus is a very good company besides reliability but it’s behind the Germans. But I wouldn’t give up my reliability for those german features that I lose thank u very much. I abuse the hell out of my Lexus sometimes 4500- redlining it for 10 mins straight on back roads many times
people dont understand that german cars are only "unreliable" because they take that risk to add all the newest tech. but real enthusiasts know they make bullet proof motors.
@@Matys1975 Owned Audi's for 20 years. Never bought one with less than 40k on the clock. Always reliable. This car is a Camry on steroids and it's for boring people who have boring high paid jobs.
Acceleration is „weak“ at 0-60 in 4.5 seconds?...What a time to be alive.
He said that in regards to the high pricing of a car. We get cars wit better acceleration at this price.
It's weak compared to E63 and M5
Tesla is better for the price
My 2008 550i is 0-60 in 4.7 and cost me close to $8,000 CAD so yeah, considering what this friggin thing costs... it's weak.
@@dannyhernandez2728 Teslas are trash tho. Built like a 86 Yugo.
THISSSS is my closet full of cargo shorts
Doug Moved across country to Southern California so that he can use all of his shorts all the time
Featured comment.
''Thvizz''
he pronounce like this
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its because cargo shorts have the most quirks and features of all the shorts.
Doug when he answers the phone: THISSSSS, is Doug Demuro
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you made my day bro
@@ernodios Lol thanks
Probably his mailbox aswell lmao
@O 99 no a conversation Doug score. Lol
Starting in the clarity and tone category..
Just how cool is an AMG or M5 when it’s mechanically totaled after 100k miles while the GS-F is just getting broken in?
Heard. No. Fuking. Lies.
Right lol
If you had the money to buy an AMg or an M5 then you wouldn't have to worry about fixing it. Have you ever seen anyone cry in an M5?
Nguyen Luan are you being sarcastic? E60 and F10 M5 came from the factory with defaults. Lotta folks crying in a M5
It aint Ralph tho. Like I said I'm not saying the M5 is better than lexus gs F in term of relibility. Just saying if I'm going to put my money on a luxury performance car, I'm going for german no matter what. I'm not like those people who have $30K and spend $30K on a car. If I want to buy a $50K car then I should have at least $150K in my bank. Most people who buy high end cars have no money for repair hence the reason why they keep crying.
I'm taking this over an amg or m car every time cause it's got rwd, 0 turbo lag, and japanese reliability. 460hp is more than enough
Yup
it also looks way better than a Benz imo
@@ihteshamkhan4696 and definitely better than an M5.
I've been an AMG enthusiast all my life but this right here has stolen my love for them. Those HP wars are pointless what can you do with 600hp other than get your license taken away honestly? With this even if I get gapped I'll still have more fun while at it
I'm with y'all on this. I'm a repeat AMG owner and still own and love them. But what people don't understand is Lexus is offering people the last of a dying breed-oldworld-no bullshëēt driving experience in style and luxury. N/A large displacement V8, solid brakes, no gimmicky nannies/technology, plush interior. Doug is in another world.
Imagine someone renting your car just to get roasted
Joker666 DOUG: "Hi, can I borrow your car to make a video?"
LEXUS OWNER: "Sure!"
DOUG: "THHHHHHISSSS car sucks."
Doug didn't even roast it right. He mocked it for not having like a 1000 horsepower. Earth to Doug, this Lexus has more than enough horsepower and torque. Have ya heard of something called speed limits? 1000 horsepower is wasted on this or any car unless you drive it on the race track all the time. Get a clue, Doug.
Holy shit I love seeing this same reposted comment on every video
@@braetonwilson4296 Looks like we found the owner
Nick Kautz 😂
Rip to the guy who lent his car to Doug
CNC MOTORS 😂😂
It'll manage to be the perfect car for some middle-management schlub out there with more money than taste.
Rick C top gear and the grand tour actually ranked this car very high.
Lucky for the guy that owns it, he won't care about the value, because unlike any BMW, Mercedes, or ANYTHING, this car will last a good while, whereas the others will break down much too soon.
I'm that guy. I lent it to Doug but made him promise to do something for me in return. I made Doug promise to bugger my bootyhole real good until I'm bleedin and screaming in delight. Doug delivered as promise and we both loved it. Doug is in the closet, his wife is a beard lol.
I just bought a brand new one for $69347 with 13 miles on it yesterday. The sticker was $89049. No dealing at all. I love it
How’s it been?
@@swright4171 I love it, it is super fast, comfortable, reliable and fun to drive. This summer has been a time driving in the mid Atlantic.
@Bee Kaye sounds delightful. I wish you many more happy miles!
How did you get such a great deal off sticker?
@@UJickedC0bra when Lexus announced the end of the GS, the GSF was in the show room for about 7 months and the manager wanted to get rid of it. Also i had purchased two other Lexus years before from this dealer.
"It doesn't have enough power"
467hp not enough?
That's a lot of HP from a 5.0 NA V8.
Piyapol Phetmunee For the price it’s not enough power and being mated to a torque converter automatic trans isn’t helping either.
@@iPhoneAppReviewer an NA engined car with that much power is hard to find these days. Everything is turbocharged now. From my experience, anything over 450 hp is too much for normal roads anyway.
@@piyapolphetmunee3879 Couldn't agree with you more.
@@iPhoneAppReviewer Hold My Supercharged.
@@samthecar but the lexus will still have 467hp after 500k miles
you can get these on the used market for 50k, great at that price, and a unicorn of an engine a japanese 5.0 V8
The “this” at the beginning of each episode gives me life
Theory: its not the "this", but the "ssssssss" following that provides the essential lifeforce
Well if you die, you will respawn at the hospital anyway, unlike most of us.
Hey frank, you up for a heist??😂
Who listen to thissss couple of times
Then THISSSSS is the video for you ruclips.net/video/IPRp_AlOIh8/видео.html
Owned one.. one of the best driving cars I have owned
Why did you sell?
Curious about the other cars you've had - could be you've only had rubbish cars!
Ya, the Lexus is just getting broken in when a same year Mercedes or Beamer starts falling apart.
Exactly, and the 90k thing is not true, I went to a couple of dealers and I got basically a brand new one for under 80k. Tell me another car that competes with this that I can get new for that price.
@@dragospahontu He's talking about sticker price, not sticker price minus loads of dealer incentives because the cars won't sell and Lexus is embarrassed to have them sitting around unsold.
@Yul Strokheet Al-Wauch exactly
@Yul Strokheet Al-Wauch compared to Lexus they do, compared to BMW they don't.
@Yul Strokheet Al-Wauch Mercedes has gotta be the absolutely lowest quality motor vehicle sold today. Stay the heck away from them, new or used.
6:01 Doug: "F Brand might be dead..."
My mind: *Press 'F' to pay respect*
Potential LC-F: *"Wake up sir, we got a sports brand to revive!"
@@Real_MisterSir I gotta admit it is potential though
F
@@Real_MisterSir It's official
LS-F, LC-F and LQ-F: "May we introduce ourselves?"
Doug: Do not buy the GSF as it has outdated technology
Also Doug: Buy it in a few years
I found that particularly hilarious since it's a few years old...buy a used one now! They are expensive new though...
He didn’t say don’t buy one, he said don’t buy one “NEW”. Big difference. He also explained why you should buy it used 2 or 3 years old. But you people don’t really listen.
@@saxopio6280 As I said in my reply though, buy a used on now- Doug said wait and then the tech will be even more outdated, seems odd. Doug also usually gets really horny over having buttons for everything like the GS has and yet he didn't mention it...
Saxo Pio guess you didn’t find the humour in the post. My statements were true. Reasons or not
Techs are not outdated in the gs f. It has all features and options on the market has to offer. It might not look appealing to its competitors but it sure will last 20 years. Comparing lexus to euro cars is an insult to lexus. I have owned both bmws and lexus. Lexus is superior.
Funny how this aged like milk, a used GS F with mods(which generally reduce value) sold for 70k$ on his own website. I'd like to see an M5 or an E63 sell for that money with similar mileage
45k is a good price to pay for those 70k is a scam
@@zww7033 GSF is rare; the used car price for this car is high. ISF for example for 2012 is around 42k; so hence lies the answer
You're joking, right? I just saw an M5 competition with 25,000 miles on Facebook wholesale group go for $116k. One's with under 10k miles are going for up to $135k depending on spec or color.
@@desiredfilm1071 m5 are amazing cars, they just hold their values ina few years like these F cars.
This punk always hated every Lexus for some reason
"Don't buy it, you know, unless you wanna keep it or use it frequently!" How many competitors do you see rolling around with 200-400k on the odometer while still looking mint inside and out? (before 2000s) TBF, I do agree that it is better value to buy it used, but that applies most cars. The difference is that this is among a small select group of modern cars that you can buy, frequently use, and keep for you the rest of your life with minimal maintenance expenses.
Nahyan Suleman A lot actually. lol
Lexus has a lot of those on the road. It's not a kids car, that's for sure.
Have seen lexus with 1.8million miles these things are unbreakeble
@@OnlyPureSounds You can find Mercedes with that many miles on them dude.
vr6gls definitely not the new mercs after 2005 and then they have cost you a fortune where with the lexus nothing has been changed i am not a fanboy but Toyota and Lexus especially the older ones are like hard to break they are also not really on the occasion market because most people still use them
7:30 hearing that exhaust noise for 15+ years sounds like a win to me. The bmw and Mercedes are just meant to last until the lease is up
So??? Every one that buys this cars, use IT knowing that. For A luxury car, reliability is meaningless.
mauricio Rivero Stumpf I strongly disagree with your statement about reliability being meaningless in a luxury car. If I’m paying $90,000 for a luxury car I expect it to be reliable and not some pretty machine that’s gonna break at 50,000 miles. Also if reliability was so meaningless in luxury cars then why is Lexus doing so well in the luxury car market?!!!!!??? Obviously some people care about reliability in their luxury cars.
People who buy luxury cars new usually only want it for less than 5 years. Long term reliability isn't a concern for them.
Oscar it doesn’t matter if the owner is going to keep the car for a week or for 17 years...... the cars should still be reliable.
@@oscar3444 well for somebody who works hard for their money and is buying a luxury car to keep for a long time, they will definitely care lol. That's only the billionaires who don't care about reliability, plus they will rather buy a rolls royce or a sport car than a Toyota
"not all that high performance"
477 HP from a high revving 5.0L V8 with no forced induction...
I would also argue that the GS-F is not actually competing with the M5/E63s, but rather the M-performance and 43-line variants of those platforms. Lexus never developed a turbocharged V8 engine for any of their cars, and they don't seem interested in getting into that market because of cost and lack of clout.
Yeah but it’s sorta priced above those. I do think you’re right though, I just thing that it wasn’t competitively priced
@@bk_nreynolds3278 It IS competitively priced with the E53, which, well-optioned, costs over $90k, and the BMW 540i, which is about $80k.
0-60
- GSF: 4.5
- E53 4MATIC: 4.4
- 540i xDrive: 4.6
Yes, and look where that lead them. They had to cancel the GS.
A Balakrishnan the blow is a whole 10k cheaper so it doesn’t compete with that bmw
The LS is twin turbo'd. And lexus is bribing out another 600hp twin turbo for their LC
Just brought a GSF of this exact spec with 13k miles... I am stoked. And I must add that while yes the "tech is old" it's looks and design hold up ridiculously well and overall material quality, fit and finish, and ride quality is spectacular. The GS is going to be a chassis that will be dearly missed.
Can you tell how much you paid for it? Prices are dropping (finally) on these…
@@kadalkol they are still overpriced. Lowest ones go for over 50k
Current lexus owner, most non Lexus owners don’t understand you buy quality and reliability not the latest newest technology, these cars hold out for a while unlike the most modern luxury competitors
How much?
& don't forget one of the best mass produced V8's ever built under the hood.
Ina few years it ended up getting even more value . Not only can’t you find one. Those who have one know they are bulletproof proof vehicles ,absolutely awesome.
Doug: "The Lexus F brand might be dead."
Me: "F"
Can i get an F for the F :)))
F
F
F
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Y'all talking about Doug and his seemingly endless pairs of cargo shorts but we haven't complimented him on his Nissan S-Cargo shirt yet.
Wonder how many folks noticed that? I thought it was a very nice touch....
I’m waiting for the DD Plus/Patreon channel where he wears shirts WITH COLLARS!! Sign me up LOL
I have a GSF and it’s awesome 80k miles and swear to god it is getting better! I have no reason to lie. Clean your knees.
Let’s be honest, Doug would’ve been all over this IF it had Mercedes badges.
Yeah we all know he doesn’t really like Lexus that much
No he wouldnt
All Toyota products underperform compared to the competition.
capability, quality, price……All cars are just a sliding scale of these factors and you can’t have then all.
When you pick toyota you are choosing quality over capability.
Punk would be on his knees licking the tyres if it had Mercedes or BMW badges
@@user-yq6ov6ow7l quality ? Really ?
@@lanceryderwilson8618 😂😂😆
Coming from someone who works at a used car dealership, these things are an amazing value and experience for around $35000-$40000.
The problem buying them used is they've held their value too well.
Thai Win yes, and even better is the LS460
Kevin Barry the ls460 is definitely not better than the gsf
I’ll stick with my local Lexus dealership lol. Got our Gs 350 brand NEW for 35k-45k. Used for 35-40 k isn’t really reasonable if I could get a brand new one for a few grand more. I have to agree with you on the experience part for sure 😂
California Detailing remember, the price he quoted is for a dealer. And his commission. Much better to buy from the original owner.
Jeremy Clarkson on The Grand Tour preferred the Lexus GS-F to the BMW M5. Also, anyone can create a good exhaust note but it’s much more difficult to create an amazing engine sound like this one
Harris also rated the GS higher than the M5.
That’s because both Jeremy and Harris have brains in contrast to this clown here.
The 2UR-GSE is about as perfect as a mass produced V8 can be.
@@milosza1384 I love it when he says "it doesn't have much power" - it's got 450bhp! Since when is that not a lot of power? Oh yeah, in RUclips land where everyone drives supercars all the time...
@@Beer_Dad1975 Exactly!
People will buy it partly for performance...but mainly for the fact that when the M5 and E63 become ferocious, appalling moneypits, the GS F will be needing only regular oil changes.
Now that I finished watching this video I’m going to buy one of these NEW!
Well, the GS's tech is still more advanced than Microsoft's software...
Did you buy one? I bought a GS 350 F 2015 has almost the exact same features (minus the gauge changes and slalom modes)
It is an awesomely fun car to drive and still looks and drives great!!!
@@seanflannick9215 think you forgot the most important feature being the 5 liter v8 the GS F has, also functional vents and ducts and the F interior is different from F sport
My Cigarettes have a „No Smoking“ print ..
yeah, and many other bad words
🤣🤣
fun fact
the ash tray is now being used for tissues or litter in general. instead of an actual ash tray
I would probably murder someone if they were smoking in my GS-F(if i owned one :D )
I’m really sad about the GS being cancelled. It’s a really underrated platform. It handles way better than it has any right to. I think if 60% of people who bought loaded out ES’s just test drove the GS, they’d have spent the same money on a GS because it’s just better to drive
yeah my uncle has a 2018 GS350 F Sport and its good
I'm in the market and really sad that GS has no replacement, ES is an FWD and the NA V6 is all great and reliable but it lacks all the solid built in Japan like GS and the NA V8 with real massive Metal Intake Manifold, Metal Valve Cover, RWD platform advantage, superior handling. I hope I can find a great used GS F. This NA V8 will outlast any junk piece of crap that BMW or German dumpster fire VW pukes on. Shame. Now ES is going to lose NA V6 as well, the last run of NA engines at Lexus are now almost dead. The IS 500 F Sport is no GS F and the Apron issues on IS 500 are annoying plus GS F had Leather Interior with V8 IS 500 has Nuluxe nonsense, very very sad.
Eh, I have a GS f sport (pre facelift) and it handles okay. I think you're overselling it.
you can thank people like dougy over here for that.
Very few care about rear-wheel drive and good driving dynamics. The ES is the better car for those people who’d rather have more legroom and a more comfortable ride.
Doug.. that exhaust sounds great.. it growls without being obnoxious.
Doug have some serious problems with lexus 🤣🤣
it´s ,,has"
Seriously he’s so biased against it. He doesn’t realize 99% of m5 and e63 amg owners never use all the power in the car so what’s the point of having the extra hp? With BMW and Mercedes you’re paying so that people think you’re rich, with Lexus you’re paying for reliability to stay rich
@@57Nights i agree
@@57Nights If you had the option to choose between 460hp or 600hp which would you want? Doug is right, it's a great used car because it's reliable but for people that buy/lease them new won't keep them long term.
@@kristians2704 This equivalency makes no sense at all because there will never be two identical cars with everything being the same except one has 460hp or 600hp. Sure the rivals such as the M5 and AMG have more horsepower but literally who cares? How many times in your life are you going to be using the extra 140hp? Wouldnt you rather sacrifice that horsepower to get a car that is practically bulletproof and will still be on the road after 10 years with no problems? All this high numbers crap is to impress people who know nothing about cars so they can brag about their high horsepower. Its why lexus cars like the is350/isf hold their value even after 10 years, while bmw/mercedes cars lose half their value after 3 years.
18:08 when he starts the drive, the way he edits it makes it seem like THEEE LONGEST gear ever lmfaooo
cam043 Dude I know...that made me laugh
Did he have it in sport mode 2
@@mhh1995 I had to rewind a couple times to make sure I wasn't crazy
@@jason5776 he had it in ultrasend lol
Me: So Doug is it a good car?
Doug: *Yes, but No*
Doug: yes, but no, but yes, yet no
f(yes)^-1
Yesn’t
It looks exactly like BMW 520 from the side
I’ve had a 2013 GS 350 since 2013. Through 7 years I’ve put over 100,000 miles on mine. I can tell you one bad flaw in this model is that the servo motor for the air conditioning system has broken down three times in 7 years. I was lucky the first 2 times as my car was under warranty till 2018 and it was fixed for free but in January 2020 it broke for the third time and to replace it with labor cost me $1400 US. It’s a very badly designed motor. It’s hidden behind the dashboard, so the company has to literally take apart the entire car from the inside to fix it. According to the dealership it’s a very common issue in this generation of the GS and ES models. Servo motor basically controls the air of the cabin and when it breaks down by default the vents stay open permanently so basically your car does not cool the interior at all. It’s terrible because I live in Dubai and temperatures reach way over 110 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s the only big issue I faced with my car.
@Frankie Basile the heat has been there for years. I have other vehicles as well and they don't face this problem, I have a Honda accord 2014 with over 130,000 miles on it now and it has never given me a problem like my GS has. I know it sucks but that's the reality, luxury doesn't always mean better quality. In fact in my experience luxury cars actually give you more problems over the years because of complex options in them. If you ever owned a Mercedes-Benz or BMW for 5+years, you will definitely face a few hiccups. Regarding the problem in the GS, its an extremely common issue in this generation because of the materials inside the servo motor are 90 percent plastic, countries like Japan and majority of the states in USA don't have extreme heat conditions like dubai. So a company as big as lexus can't customise internal parts for different countries, that will cost them hundreds of millions for changing just the outer shell of a servo motor in an already established production line plus plastic is obviously much cheaper to work with.
CJ from GTA San Andreas: "GS-F For Life Homie" 😂😂😂
Grove street, home
Ah shit! Here we go again.
The NA V8 is a great engine, all of the competition has turbos which makes it impossible to compete. GS F Sounds better and will last longer.
I had an ISF before and now a RCF. Transmission is very aggressive in sport+ and very relaxed in regular. Doug wouldn't realize that for having it for 6 hrs or a day. It takes time to learn how this car behaves in different modes. Lexus designed it that way. There are abused ISFs with over 300k miles with no issues. This car will last a million miles without any repairs with proper maintenance and no modification. Just delete the muffler and resonators and it sounds so good. I have people come upto me to say it sounds much better than mustangs and other American NA 5 ltr V8s all the time.
@KB L agreed
Thisss is amazing
Exactly this car has a v8 NA with 477ps
How many cara do you know with a NA V8 in the maybe past 10 years? Not manny. I think the gsf is a very good car.
It is expensive but you get a good amount of goodies in the base model. In a m5 you dont even get electric seats. Come on man.
Having a less stressed engine will always lead to longevity
3:17
Doug: “Why you should never buy it new and why you should seriously consider buying it used”
No one buys the car new
Audience that wants used car: Where the car at?
This is a car I would absolutely buy new if I was in market for it.
Me: Looking at my brand new Lexus GS-F in the driveway.
Doug: This car is horrible to buy new
Me: Tears in eyes and quivering lips.
Jeff E look at it this way. You have something unique and I would love to own one. Lexus craftsmanship and performance in one.
She-ehtt!! Ill take it from you, where you at?
I mean you still have a better car then most of the population
In the same boat, and loving it!!! Although I did buy it used, so I'm smiling I guess...
Don’t listen too these morons so much
"Not as nice as a AMG"
*Flash backs of dash creaks and plastic creaks from my 09 Kompressor*
Getting a GS soon. Those things are built with quality. Will probably out live me.😂
LuvJoeBacon No doubt! He loves German Junk!
This is a really stupid comment tbh.
F
@@chucky8894 triggered much?
@@chucky8894 I bet you own one junk merc HAHAHAHA
7:24 "Pretty good" ?? It is one of the best sounding cars i have heard on your channel
I agree! To me it sounds far better than the BMW and Mercedes equivalents!
The bmw sounds like garbage. Merc sounds beautiful and so does this. Worst sounding car is definitely the bmw. Honestly there isn’t any good sounding bmws at the moment.
@@Sessions1 Yeah, the new BMW M cars sound more like a tuned Civic than a V8 lol
@A real bisexual petrol-head Of course I don't. I like both Mercedes and BMW and people who drive them. I just disagree with Dougs opinion about them sounding better than this lexus. To me they all sound good but the lexuses naturally aspirated sound is more to my liking
A real bisexual petrol-head worst sounding cars on the market. There’s v6 engines that sound better than any of the M cars. And I can’t stand the sound of a v6.
Why can't we just have a non - bias youtuber. Keep in mind that you also have people with a variety of taste. Not just European purists. Just saying...
depends how you look at it, it wouldnt bother me that its slower than the rivals because its not exactly slow is it, lexus build engines to last so they dont over tune them and look how beautifully its built, lexus still build a car that lasts and to me that says more to me than zero to 60 times
When some one breaks into dougs house
Doug: THISSSSS IS A MOSBURG 500
Very nice
genuinely laughing out loud
Stolen comment
He lives in CALIFORNA though 😂
Zero chance Doug owns a gun...
Car enthusiasts: we miss the naturally aspirated engines. They looked and sounded so cool
*Lexus comes up with a naturally aspirated engine*
Car enthusiasts: frankly, I'd rather have a car with turbos for better throttle response
Death Stroke True
But turbos have worse throttle response son
Not throttle response, but low end-torque.
Doug and most automotive journalists in the nutshell LMAO
Honnêtement, je préférerais avoir un moteur à aspiration naturelle plus fiable qui a une puissance décente, qu'un moteur turbo très rapide qui peut ne pas être aussi fiable.
when you die Doug gives you a DougScore and that determines if you go to hell or not
Lexus: Why should we eliminate the turn signal stalks we use
Doug: Because I hate it
Lexus: Ok
I have a Lexus, the turn signals are ANNOYING as fuck
I have a Lexus and I've only had an issue a few times, but I'm definitely with him on this still, there's just no need.
@@ApothecaryTerry Some Ford models have them too... they're so bad. The people behind me probably think I'm drunk.
@@xELITExCHEESEBURGERx 99% of the time I like the fact that the auto-cancelling on them is so much better than "normal" indicators, it works basically perfectly. The other 1% of the time, I'm not sure if I did the lane change or turned them on fully, try to cancel them and seriously consider just slamming on the brakes and running in the hope nobody saw me. The 99% is not worth the 1% ☺
I reckon if they simply made it so you had to tap it an extra time to indicate one way having indicated the other in the last 3 seconds that would be perfect...
As a Lexus fan I need to admit, that Doug is right. Paying full price on it, well I would think twice. As an used car for half the price and still low mileage? Brilliant deal!
I think what a lot of people are forgetting to consider is that the GS-F will have a 400+ HP advantage in 5-10 years when you're pushing your eurotrash to the junkyard.
I took this car out for a test drive when it came out and was impressed with it. I came away from the drive thinking that car will reliably handle like that for as long as I own it. The only downside was the price, not the performance. It is a fantastic car.
GSF exhaust sounds much better than the M5 lol, M5 is so muted from those turbos 😂
It's bigger and 'badder'.
Yeah Lexus an ugly shit.
@@Engineering_Rebel Lexus is a beauty, looks like japanese samurai face
@@TheZG85 The term Samurai implies Japanese origin. There's not Japanese Samurai, there is just Samurai.
@@Eddy-dn1jx ok weeb, exept there were foreign samurai of Dutch French and British origin.
This man just roasted Lexus for 23 mins 🤦🏽♂️💀🤣🤣
Car is a fossil
@john m That's not true, all cars break down even Toyotas and Lexus. And if you buy one of those in Germany these cars will hold up for 4-5 years without any problems.
And let's be honest who wants an outdated car so why should I pick this Lexus japanese outdated scr*p
john m meh, just don’t futz with the ECU for “free” power and you’ll be good
john m Not true at all. You are so incorrect
I mean he doesn't deny it's a good deal for the money used - because it is. You get okay performance, okay tech (has had ACC/parking assist since 2016) and a crappy infotainment that can be retrofitted pretty easily to have Android Auto/Carplay with one of the most bullet proof powertrains available. It just sucks the price of these new are asinine to what it has.
I LOVE the stacked exhaust.One of my favorite details of an F car.
I sold german cars and i bought lexus. I had enough . broken many times german car. Now nothing happen.
Your Lexus broke?
@@Malcolm_Kennedy no, audi , vw
Exactly, and the 90k thing is not true, I went to a couple of dealers and I got basically a brand new one for under 80k. Tell me another car that competes with this that I can get new for that price.
Lexus GSF is a good car but not a great car I have a 2018 GSF and also owned an E92 M3 and E46 M3. The reliability, performance and luxury is unmatched I would take an E63 AMG S over the M5 or GSF but long term GSF will be a collectors car last V8 N/A from Lexus/Toyota brand.
@@mattstone3279 the new isf will have the V8.
But yeah I've always bought Japanese cars, but also driven BMW's and Mercedes and they are fantastic cars, but I like keeping my cars for at least five years.
"It is not as good a car as the M5 or AMG, it just lasts longer and is more reliable"
Hahahahaha!
Says a lot about not only Doug but also the rest of the customer market, people just don't give a sht about reliabillity and anymore
I rather have a car that's worth less than a amg than spend the money on the amg and have to spend more time on repairs than actual driving, Mercedes and BMW cost a lot to fix up. I'd rather spend time driving the car rather than it having to spend time waiting to have it fixed.
He means performance is weaker than the two competition and all specs. however in the long run (over 60 k mileage) lexus is more reliable ,
@@themack5653 Yup. I got that.
They are only faster for about 50k miles. After that they are considerably slower than the Lexus.
Mainly because they are sitting on the side of the road or in the shop getting another 4k in repairs.
Stay safe out there.
@@jb40now47 Therefore luxury sport sedans are usually leased due to high deprecation value. this makes why reliability is not an issue.
I feel like you were overly harsh with this review Doug. This car has everything except for a decent touchscreen system. Its good looking, its quick, has an amazing interior and an awesome NA V8 that sounds glorious and most importantly, 10x more reliable than any car being pumped out by the Germans. No doubt getting this car used for 40k USD is a steal.
Which is exactly why he said it was a great used car. But new cars are reliable regardless of the brand, so why would you buy this new when you could get more for the same price?
An amazing interior? Are u fucking blind?
Looks like any other So-cal asian owned GS on the street.
This dudes sleeping, maybe even snoring bro period end of story!
Doug has no class....is a tasteless piece of shit....
Doug: Loves the LC, hates any F car despite them all having the same engine
The remote touch is unfathomably fantastic. I will die on this hill. It's clunky at first, of course, but you get used to it fast. Poking your index finger at a screen you aren't holding in your hand isn't easy at all, especially when your focus lies elsewhere. Not to mention that you need to shift in your seat to reach that screen in almost every vehicle. Remote touch is always comfortably in reach.
i believe you because if it wasn't that easy to use I wouldn't see so many Lexus on the road. Car journalists just don't seem to want to give it time and review it properly.
Doug the type of guy to wear a seat belt when riding a bicycle.
Actually original, thanks for cracking me up :'D
467hp is weak?? I think you've been too spoiled Doug.
For 90k, I feel like it is. Lol
AND!....he drives a station wagon/Mercedes🧐
Caldera doesn’t have the luxury this car has tho.......2 different classes
Caldera Notice-performance gets outdated first, hence why this cars performance (speed/tork /etc) is not “up to date”....honestly, I would rather have the “performance” mean-durability. This wins hands down.
Ryan agree
I absolutely LOVE my 2020 GSF, and yes, I bought it new. 0-60 in 4.4 seconds is pretty quick, and the sound is amazing.
That’s quick most people don’t even drive fast cars nor where I live atleast
+ it has a V8 engine...
Majority of the comments seem opposite to your review Doug, that is a beautiful car hands down, tons of power and that exhaust note is awesome 😎 I would own this now as opposed to the equivalent bmw or Mercedes as i have owned 3 bmw’s as they spent as much time at the mechanics as they did at home ! Frustrating and expensive, Japanese = reliability , that is a cool car 👍
that's because there are too many lexus fanboys because they have watched too much Scotty Kilmer.
Just filled out my calendar for 3 years exactly from today. Thanks Doug, now I don't have to worry about what used car to buy 3 years from now.
Despite the review, I'm already determined to upgrade my used RC F to a used GS F.
You can buy mine when the LC F comes out
phi psk is it ultrasonic blue though?
@@SirValiantIII sadly, no.
phi psk still great cars. And I SO SO hope they make the LC F
Why?
Just got one of these, very fun car. We really like it.
Beautiful car, great job! My only question is, does it handle and accelerate differently when in sport or slalom, in the other modes? Were you just testing it in normal mode? TY
Wowwwwwww. I was saving up to buy one of these hopefully by the end of the year and now thanks to dough the price is going to sky rocket
DOUG:
“...And it's just not all that good.”
SCOTTY KILMER:
*endless angry old man yelling*
Scotty Kilmer is such a pinnacle of misinfo
John Bacon why do you say that?
@@johnbacon4997 honest self made millionaire mechanic (50 years) vs supercar fanboy. Yeah that's a tough choice about who's right about cars. Lol
@@mauriciowinston5293 Scotty only likes cheap, boring cars like Toyotas and Hondas. He thinks that Porsche are bad sports cars and that Acura is better than Mercedes. He thinks that everyone is poor so everyone should buy shitty cars like him.
I’m now looking back at this video in December 2022, literally a few days before 2023 and these GS F models are high, like they barely budge their value and most are even higher than their original price. 🤦♂️ should’ve bought these when they came out.
the stacked lookin exhaust is unique n different....expand your horizons
I love the way it looks
I had one of these from the dealer and I LIKED the display mouse. So much easier to navigate through menus without taking your eyes off the road as much. Once I got used to it it was much easier than shifting your whole body to easily reach the touch screen.
Japanese sedan with a NA v8, even if it's outdated it's desirable
Yeah. The Grand Tour episode featuring this car actually shoes the reason why people might want it. The engine, while not that powerful, is not stupidly over turbocharged. It's for people who care about the driving experience, not people like Douggy boy who look at the numbers. Disliked the video.
Zephyrus it’s just not competitive in the market
No one wants a Japanese v8 sedan 😂😂😂😂😂. This isn’t Japan. We want chargers and challengers.
@@Natethegreat200c and big macs and diabetes
@@Natethegreat200c I live in europe, muscle cars are not really that popular here.
I honestly love the infotainment control in my GS. You get used to it after about a week.
19:45 that Mazda with a drift wing 😆😂
I still like this car, waiting to go down in price. Great naturally aspirated V8, RELIABLE , quality materials.
Watch Chris Harris review on the gsf
Wade H 😂
Butthurt owner detected
Rapido20 he can’t like the car?
You ain't nothing but a broke boi
I've had one of these for two years and have loved every second of it. Honestly fit and finish is better than cars twice the price and the engine and chassis are a dream. Could the transmission be geared a littler shorter and the infotainment be better? (yes and yes) But its such a great, fun daily driver and can fit 5 people comfortably and has 0 reliability issues. I plan on owning it for a long time to come. Glad you finally reviewed one doug!
Can I have a ride?
Same here!
Japanese E39 M5
Mike Pevency I have one you can drive it anytime
@@bilbobaggins4710 You can have a ride on my glistening pork sword anytime you want, my dear.
@ 7:05 I don't recall people ever complaining about the look of the stacked exhausts. If anything, the complaint was about the upper ones being fake. They had no actual pipe connection. This, of course, got rectified with the RCF and GSF where all 4 are fully functional.
I think this thing is pretty amazing. You get peerless quality, very attractive styling, understated performance cues, very solid power, great acceleration, surely good resale, best fit and finish in the game.... besides the MSRP, what is not to like here? Who buys these things brand new anyway? Doug has a very consistent anti-Lexus bias for some reason.
Btw that exhaust note is wonderful. In a world of forced induction I applaud automakers with the balls to still make great NA engines. There is nothing like the note of a NA V8. I understand it’s on the way out, but it’s great to see one of the last ones. This was never meant to be a M5 competitor or AMG beater...that’s obvious. M2 Comp owner here btw.
Yes!! I noticed that too!! It seems that Doug has this negative bias towards Lexus and I hate it (another reason why I hate Doug DeMuro)!!! I thought I was the only one.
Doug invites a woman to his bedroom ...... *"THISSSSS is a custom made adult race car bed Let me tell you all of the interesting quirks and features of this bed, and I'll give it a Doug score"*
lmao that was hilarious
Ive borrowed this bed from a nightclub here in southern California
Then I will give you a Doug score
lmao my laugh intensified as I read to the end, good one dude.
oh mon Dieu, ce commentaire est hilarant
10 years down the line, this will become Hoovie's 1,232,678th midlife crisis mobile.
I think it’s too reliable for his tastes tbh
It wouldn’t have any problems to fix and make videos on
I loved the first three GS models (and currently own a 2011 3rd Gen GS 450h), but man, I just can't get past the spindle grille of modern Lexus. It's such a shame because I'd love to grab a 2016 GS F or 450h for the updated interior if nothing else. But the outside of my car will look way worse than what I'm driving now. :(
My grandfather had a 2003 GS 430 back when it was new. That thing was nice as hell.
Doug the type of guy to spray cologne into the air and shimmy into the mist
Better than just blasting the chest like most dipshits
😂
😭😭
Doug the type of guy to put in the milk before the cereal
Smoking Tire did a great review on this car. This is literally my dream car.
Smoking tire and Chris Harris
It’s a good car just really slow for 90k
Oof sorry
@@bradenmchenry995 naturally aspirated v8 no supercharger which 477hp what more can you ask for lol
Mine is the RC-F TE or the new NSX. Evidently Doug doesn't approve of either of our tastes, save the NSX
Thoughtful...love the interior review
Had two GS 350’s, would love to have one of these. Can be had with big discounts.
Used market is starting to climb. It’s also rare to find one with red seats.
So I've owned my 2017 GSF for 3 years. I drive it on the track, family and baby around.
Normally I like Doug's videos alot. But I find this video very shallow and disappointing. A sports car is not all about HP and Torque but balance, brakes, chassis.
Go watch Chris Harris's video on the GSF for a better review.
THIS!!!
butthurt?
Absolutely this. Clarkson also reviewed the GSF and rated it more highly than an M5 or M3 ("this flawed old-school charmer has them beat"). Matt from Carwow also compared it to an M2 in drifting and the GS won easily. Doug seems to be on his own in this one, although I don't doubt a lot of people in the comments who have never driven a GS will agree with him.
Apothecary Terry - No, Doug is spot on. Clarkson made those comments nearly a decade ago. He wouldn’t make them now with an overpriced outdated GS-F against the latest M3 and M5.
@@Z06ified The car's handling and sound haven't got any worse. It is a previous generation car so I do agree that it's not the right new car for many people now but this review still seems oddly biased- I'm a Doug fan and it surprised me. Bear in mind that he rated the RCF handling better than the GSF which I'm not aware of anyone else ever having done- it seems pretty unanimous elsewhere that the GSF is far superior to the RCF and yet Doug clearly disagrees (which he's entitled to do but it's very surprising). He also loved the sound and didn't complain about the power of the same engine in the LC500 but not in this, yet it's virtually the same (10bhp more, same sound). It's not just about other brands, the review seems harsh compared to even other Lexus models.
At least it's more reliable than E63 and M5
Yudha Bagaskara Not important. Some people in the world have a little bit money.
@@svein-haraldribland8559 Some not all. Take a hike with that not important crap. Plenty of us want performance that comes with reliability. Only folks with money to burn don't care about that. Some of us are smarter than that.
@@svein-haraldribland8559 with very little brains
I don’t even think money is the issue with unreliable cars. If a car doesn’t function, it’s not serving it’s purpose and the owner can’t enjoy it. For example, the Giulia QV. Great car that most wouldn’t own because it’ll be spending more time in the shop than on the road.
@@svein-haraldribland8559 Having spare money to spend on an unreliable product will not adequately compensate for the inconvenience and heartburn caused by car problems, especially if one is fastidious about his / her car.
As an AMG and Lexus Owner.... If I'm looking to scare my friends on a ride, I choose the AMG. If I'm going on a road trip and don't feel like worrying about being stranded, I DEFINITELY take the Lexus.
Doug just looked un-coordinated using RTI. Once you get use to it, you don't even need to look at the screen it's that ergonomic. Yeah the features are lacking but it is still very functional. What most car reviewers also forget is that RTI is not just the mouse/trackpad like controller. It's also the hard buttons on the dash and steering wheels. Once you figure that out, it is very easy to use. I own both the Toyota touch screen and the lexus RTI of course and I can say without any doubt that a touchscreen is more distracting than RTI.
Me reviewing my car Doug style:
THIIIISSSS is my shitbox but it takes me from point a to b without killing me sometimes.
sometimes
What do you mean sometimes
"sometimes"
Dodge Viper?
@@Photo0021 yeah it has to be a Viper😂
It can't even kill you properly? That car sucks
After watching Doug's Video, a commercial says, dramatically:
THIS.. is a Tomato 🍅
In typical overdramatic deep movie trailers voice
I have a 16 GS-F that I bought new. I love it and get lots of compliments from strangers. It’s quick enough for me and the interior is beautiful. I bought it mainly because of Toyota’s reliability. I also have a 2002 Sequoia with 116k miles on it and it’s running strong. I traded my 2006 BMW 530i in for my GS-F. Started having issues with that thing.
Customer buys it new, watches this video, keeps car forever. 🤪
"They are canceling the GS to the surprise of no one" thats just too funny
That's only because the ES has gotten much more sporty, therefore there's less need for the GS which used to be the "sporty" Lexus. I still like it though.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector true
80's Boombox Collector True that. Though it’s sad that another nice RWD car is gone.
@@vbsource6209 yea
80's Boombox Collector The ES needs to remain a relaxed cruiser especially if it’s FWD