Is the Messi Ronaldo Debate FINISHED?!
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The fact that people are even comparing prime mbappe to 35 year old messi is a testament to messi’s longevity and class
We haven’t even seen prime mbappe and have no idea how good he can or can’t become. So although Messi being compared to the best player itw at 35 is ridiculous, you worded it wrong.
I personally feel mbappe got a bit more refinement to do in his game. Physical peak comes 25ish to 32ish. The lads 23
@@FatTodd he’s 24 now I think
@@FatTodd acc he’s 24 tomorrow
@@velz841 yeah well he’s far from his prime form if his trajectory continues. And evidence tells us he is getting better year on year and has already achieved so much. Who knows what heights he can reach especially when the older gen start to phase out and he bullies the new gen
@@FatTodd yea I did word it wrong, more apt comparison would be an inform mbappe
Messi has a bigger mentality than CR7 imo..
Imagine losing 3 international finals in a row and quitting your national team, getting mocked and criticised by your own people…and then coming back, winning 36 games in a row with 2 international trophies within it (Finalissima and Copa America) and then ultimately winning the most prestigious trophy in Football (World Cup) by giving an all star performance in every KO stage of the Tournament and winning the POTT in the process
Nah man, This is probably the Greatest Redemption Arc in Sports History…bigger than Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan quite easily
Ched Evans did it better.
Shut up Ronaldo had to work so hard to get to the top and was the first one in and last one to leave . Ronaldo is the most hated player and proved everyone wrong every time . Messi is the most protected player of all time
@@wahhajmiah5800 having 0 goals and 0 assists in 8 WC KO games across 5 WCs is definitely a major dent in CR7’s career
For UCL, he is still the Best in that competition but Overall Career Messi has surpassed him..
Individual ability, Messi was always better than CR7..
@@wahhajmiah5800 liked his own comment 😂 tragic ronaldo fan boy. Go cry somewhere else.
@@wahhajmiah5800 thats cap and you know it lol, everyone loves Ronaldo more since hes a model and is more Hollywood and speaks English and is why random people who know nothing about football will jump on the bandwagon (Speed is a very big example haha). And it goes to show how hard he worked yet could never touch the god given ability that Messi has and if anything Leo is the one who constantly had to prove himself, Copa America and WC being the main example. People who know the sport and understand football love Messi because he plays the game the correct way
“It shouldn’t have taken a World Cup win for you to realize the truth”…facts
He's literally done everything he possibly can in a career on individual and team level holding countless titles and records anything other than the goat of football Is slander he can do everything
Prem?
@@daylansagwe7002la liga.
@@yessir7147 yeah we get he did it in a farmers league, didn’t do it in the best league in the world.
@@alextv293 lmao I knew haters would say that, if La Liga is a farmers' league how could Real Madrid and Barca dominate the Champions League for years???
@@alextv293 yet in the champions leauge he slapped up the greatest teams from the prem countless times
Here's my essay of why Messi was always clear. Not due to a WC win, CL wins, Balon D'Or wins or league titles. He was clear because he's the only playmaker that has scored so many goals and the only striker that has given so many assists, in 1 package. He is clear due to his dribbling, passing, vision, positioning, runs, pace (in his prime), consistency (and the ability to adapt his play style at 35 after losing pace).
Also due to his hard work ethic, he used to struggle with his weight, got a dietitian and gained a bunch of muscle mass. His balance and strength are also underrated. He fends off strong defenders and stays on his feet. He managed to outrun and outdribble a huge and fast Croatian defender that was having the tournament of his life (with Messi at 35 years old). He used to do the same all the time vs Pepe, Ramos, showed it against Vidic and Ferdinand, also vs Nesta, Cannavaro and he made Boateng fall to the ground like a sack of potatoes.
The narrative that he's just pure talent is also silly. He kept working hard on his freekicks and physicality throughout his career. His freekicks kept only improving. His strength became a solid aspect of his game. Just look how well balanced he is when loads of defenders try tackling him. It's almost like he's immune to them. He feints, dribbles and twist and turns them silly.
I don't know why people couldn't see this during a 15 year long career. So many iconic La Liga matches. Iconic Champions League matches and also iconic World Cup matches. He reached the final in 2014 with a mediocre Argentinian squad. He had to count on players like Garay, Biglia and Higuain was shooting every 100% chance out of the stadium. He carried them towards the final and lost against the most overpowered German squad ever with 1-0. While he still did his thing in that tournament. Scored, assisted, dribbled etc. He showcased his entire arsenal of skill and won the Golden Ball of that tournament.
Comparing him to Ronaldo was always flawed. Don't get me wrong, Ronaldo is spectacular. But Ronaldo just had the bad luck of being a part of Messi's generation. Prime Ronaldo was fast, had spectacular skill moves, quick handling, destructive power, fitness, physicality. However Ronaldo doesn't have the play making aspect of the game. He's ''merely'' a striker. While Messi can play in the attack and on the midfield. He is a Xavi/Iniesta/Ronaldo(goal scoring wise), Pirlo, Zidane, Modric, Kroos in 1. Messi can do what Ronaldo does (score a lot) but also do more than that (assist, pass, out dribble entire defences) and better than anyone else.
Messi also has won more trophies but that really doesn't matter imo because those trophies are won by an entire team. Even the Balon d'or isn't really an individual award when you think about it. You still need teammates that enable you to play in the right conditions. So all I'm looking at is the talent and work ethic that's been consistently displayed throughout an amazing career and that shows me that Messi is the absolute, undisputed GOAT. Far surpassing anyone I've ever seen.
This. You actually get it. Messi has always been better. Messi can do everything Ronaldo does but better (except headers for obvious reasons), and on top of that he can do everything Xavi and Iniesta do.
what a comment, perfectly sums it up!
You see the thing is that Ronaldo was a playmaker and a creator at one point even out assisting Messi a few seasons, he simply adapted and changed his play style around 2016/17 I would say and even in juve you could see his vision was pretty solid all while being an excellent goalscorer. To me it's Messi=Ronaldo
@@kennykun4537 yes ronaldo does have decent assist numbers but its so obvious that messi is, and has always, been the best player. Plus he’s just won the world cup so they’re very clear not equal
Brilliantly said
To be fair to Theo it takes bottle to admit you were wrong after all these years. I know lots of Ronaldo fans who are still being stubborn about it even now lol.
@@SPDRM Never Messi GOAT but Ronaldo one of the greats
You’re right - he deserves credit!
yeah but Theo is a clown , doesn't have a personality to men up to his words
@user-oy8fo4wu9h come on man , you see CR7 form now and style of play , can u imagine him be good that after 4 years he will still be called to international duty ?
@user-oy8fo4wu9h and to be exact a 41 year old ronaldo will play and make a difference not hinder his team ??
Bruh he is 38 and is a liability to his team I can't imagine him after 4 years .
Put it this way, did we learn anything new about Messi throughout this world cup? On the other hand, how much have we learned about Ronaldo? Messi has always been the undisputed GOAT, this WC win was just the cherry on top.
No, this world cup we learnt something important about Messi, we learnt that he could become a leader and has some severe intimidation. One prime example was that of the interview when he called Werghoust a fool.
We learned that you could win any trophy you want if you bribe the referees hard enough :)
@@PessiTheFraud Loser mentality
@@antepa112 ok clown
@@PessiTheFraud You're the one crying about referees also with that name sit down dog
This guy went from "messi is a fraud" to "messi is the goat" real fast 😂😂😂😂😂
Bruh y’all forgot how scary young Messi was 😭💀
messi was always the goat never a debate
Facts
I’m a Madrid fan but Facts
A united fan and a Madrid fan both saying facts shows how stupid the debate is
Well no. It was a debate though. Watch out. Messi about to bust with all that riding.
@@WizzyBoy Cringe plus I’m straight 👍
Yeah it’s over. Prime R9 and Maradona are right up with him in terms of ability in their prime, but Messis done it for a lot longer and the World Cup has cemented it
Mess prime 91 goals in a year/73 in a season. Over 30 assists. How exactly?
@@Wow-mo3os just watch the other two with your own eyes there’s not much in it at all. But Messis had the best career of the 3
@@Wow-mo3os messi is the goat, but both of r9 and maradona were unplayable in their prime, the thing about messi is that you can't pin a prime to him, i think prime messi,whenever that is, is still better than both, but they are close to that level.
That's exactly why I think he is the best
Theo is the definition of a glory fan.
took him 15 years to see the light
It was never a debate to anyone who understands the game.
Exactly
facts
messi was always the goat he didnt need a world cup to prove it we cant fathom his greatness
2 different players , different ages , different positions, Yes Messi overall but both had different versions better than the other. And they were level for a long period of time
@@abdullahraza3578 you said all that but the fact still remains Messi is the goat
@@user-jj3xn5ms2i subjective
Yeah, but it shuts up people who say “he doesn’t have a World Cup”
Which now those morons will switch to “he has less WC than maradona and pele”
@@guanweihe7614 Exactly so does it matter, It doesn't I am an Ronaldo fan but every time I have felt grateful to be able to witness them both in my life time, So others opinions do not matter much
2 World Cup finals, 1 lost and 1 win with the golden ball in both tournaments. Won his first World Cup with 5 man of the match awards.
For me, Messi and Ronaldo debate was over in 2015 itself.. Messi is God level, unique player!
Ronaldo GOAT Bro
@@danieltruthorsa9528 Open your eyes
@@danieltruthorsa9528 Yeah, seriously oen your eyes bro
@@SheevPalps868 He brain dead. 😔
so ronaldo winning 3 straight CL and the euros after 2015 didnt mean anything?
Mbappe might be short of the ability of R9, but with the advancements in medicine etc, Mbappe wont suffer the same injuries and will have the career longevity that R9 never had
Accurate take!
Yea. It's such a shame what happened to R9, guy was on his way to becoming the GOAT but got injured and then got fat.
@@reddd-77 🤭
i think the part i love the most is messi had a stinker of a season last year and did not keep his head down. He got better he adapted he changed his game he puts the team first
It wasn't a stinker of a season he did well individually it's just that people are so used to seeing him score a shit ton of goals that they forget how good he js in everything else. Also I heavily doubt that people who say Messi's last season was shit watched any of the psg matches last season
@@antepa112 1. No one watches LIGUE 1 2. Fair enough just saying it wasn’t exactly messi level last season
2014,15,16, is really haunting till Copa , it's literally disheartening to see him those days, now feels really really good 👍😊.
Mbappe was quiet for 80 mins…
That’s what I’m saying as well…
The debate is not finished. There never was one. Messi has been clearly better than Ronaldo, always. We had a fake media debate that now is finished. That's all. The media is now focusing on Mbappe and the younger generation.
Even with out World Cup Messi was better then Ronaldo and rest of field
With few career goals, lol
@@danieltruthorsa9528 only 20 difference goal with a hundred matches less. So whats your point?
@@danieltruthorsa9528 penaldo fans only look at goals scored. How if someday mbappe or haaland scored more career goals than ronaldo? Does that mean they are better than ronaldo?
@@Gilbert.Hthe point is he has more goals than Messu
@@Gilbert.H wrong example those can not even get there, let's talk about messi who is at least trying
But can he even since the icon is still playing more goals to come.
The size of Mbappe makes it harder for him to act like Messi. Mbappe is a very good player and for sure has the potential to become world-class for his era, but you can't beat Messi. Messi in his younger years was crazy at dribbling and still does. Lacks a bit on Temp because of age. As well as his out-of-box shots. Last but not least as he got older, the more he looked into making plays with other players, the assist he got against the Nederlands shows that. In my opinion, Messi is levels higher then Mbappe, but Mbappe has a different play style so it's hard to compare both.
Good take. I feel that mbappe could catch ronaldo in terms of how similar they play and mbappe has better numbers but I think Messi has a play style that mbappe can’t match in terms of playmaking passing dribbling and that’s what makes Messi the best
The tournament doesn’t change anything. Messi was the goat before and after the World Cup
Theo's "EMBAPPEEE " second goal is cold
Theo forgets the season he kept calling Messi a fraud…
Ronaldo is more of a social media guy
But when it comes to football its
♌nel Messi
Don't think this will change people's minds. Either you prefer one or the other. You can prefer Ronaldo over Messi and still think Messi is a better footballer than Ronaldo.
As a Madridista myself I will always back Ronaldo no matter what happens until the end of their careers. Huge respect to Messi, he is probably the greatest ever, I just prefer Ronaldo.
Don't think you need to debate it too much, just enjoy them while they're still around and wait for the next rivalry to emerge but don't expect it to be as good as this one though.
The Ronaldo & Messi Era was once in a lifetime kind of thing.
Exactly people can prefer what they want but when asked an objective question you gotta take out you’re preferences
That has to be the greatest game I’ve ever seen, and at the World Cup final!
In the other tournaments he took them to final and did not score. This time. He scored in the final and won it. My life is complete.
I mean technically Messi has 7 Ballon D'ors (8 depending on how his club season goes) which is literally a trophy dedicated to the BEST PLAYER of that season, people seem to forget that lol no other player in history has ever done this so he was the GOAT even before this World Cup, this just silences the doubters and fanboys against him.
Poor Theo got bullied for no reason at the beginning 🤣
Yeah he’s alllowed an opinion just like everyone else
He deserved it for all that trash talk he did on Messi prior to the World Cup.
Where can I watch this whole video
People have short term memory😂😂the GOAT debate started when Messi and Ronaldo in their prime were consistently pulling numbers and performances at a simular level. The WC was the cherry on top for messi, but we can all agree the Ronaldo/ Messi prime era was amazing to watch when they were going head to head.
Numbers are one thing. Performances are another. Look at haaland and mbappe. Haaland just scores. Mbappe scores dribbles and is better to watch. Similar to messi vs Ronaldo yet the game difference between messi and Ronaldo is way bigger. Messi is the only player that can be mentioned in the conversation for greatest goalscorer, greatest dribbler, greatest playmaker, greatest passer etc.
Don't forget Buvey called mbappe a "pace merchant" 🤣🤣🤣
“You don’t need to make video to answer the thumbnail”
Answer is: YES
this is a team game, their value to their teams doesn't just come with trophies and who won the finals, they are both goats in their respective positions and they both have made a great mark on football and it's history, we need to start cheering for the new generation with talents like mbappe on the rise, after messi and ronaldo retire there will be people still debating and that is how football goes but for real we just gotta accept that they are both great.
ALSO MAD PROPS TO THE ARGENTINIAN KEEPER HE WAS GREAT AND HAD GREAT ENERGY :D (and they wouldn't win without him as their penalties keeper)
You called him a fraud..... How can you say you never once said he is "not good"
I remember when the WC group stages ended Theo rated Messi at 4th and CR7 3rd for no clear reason other than the fact CR7 has to be in better than Messi. He is a troll and although Messi winning the WC was to shut fans like him, it shouldnt have mattered in the first place. Messi has always been the better footballer hands down.
*LUCKY TO SEE THE GOAT IN MY LIFE TIME*
The debate has been over since it started. Messi has matched ronaldos goals all the way despite not poaching them half his career like ronaldo. smashed him in terms of assists and all the while he’s been producing magic every single game. Ronaldo has champions leagues over him which are a teams achievement. I won’t go into the ballon dors because even though messi has more its more of a popularity contest for me.
Ronaldo deserves credit for putting up a good challenge tho. No one else came close and I don’t think any future player would have any better shot at it either.
@@didnaeknowyehaditinye2813 cool
And another key thing which doesn't get mentioned enough - Messi has played 142 less games than Ronaldo.
Ronaldo has more career goals than Messi lol
@Daniel Truth Or'sa In 142 more games. That's the point lol. He's kept up all the way and would probably have more than him if you balance the games out.
He is both the best and the greatest. I would often separate the 2 but in this case it’s the same person. The most valuable too.
Messi reminds me of Wayne Gretzky in almost every way.
Theo I’ve heard you call Messi a fraud. 1:49
How can he not be the best? What else can he win based on the circumstances he has been and put himself in? Ronaldo is 2nd no doubt, but ronaldo has more to win and is unlikely to win them
Imagine thinking there are people in the world who actually thinks there are better fotballers then Messi 🤣
Neymar is closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi
No way.
Cap
He scored 7 goals and 3 assists in the world cup
Full vid title?
Ronaldo...was never a debate and was never a competitor, he's far behind Messi on skills and on character.
Stop adding that name next to Messi!
Messi is the Goat King!
Its the moronic and ludicrous section of the fans who demand a World Cup out of Messi to stamp his greatness and even after he won it try to tarnish this pure moment by bringing in comparisons with Ronaldo once again, I am a huge Ronaldo fan but I never argued Messi is far more skilled when it comes to dribbling and assisting by dropping deep.
Both Messi and Ronaldo have inspired me, one taught me that hard work and dedication can help you accomplish things beyond your skill set, and the other taught me your physical height does not determine the height of your accomplishments, the people who still spread toxicity by making ludicrous comparisons between them need to calm down a bit
I can imagine a Messi movie headline now :
"The Red Ribbon"
,, There is Messi!"
"Atomic!"
"The king plays on Sunday "
"G.O.A.T"
So many incredible ideas are coming to me. Thanks to all the haters! I never could have come up whit that gold myself!!
There was never any debate!
Whoever still saying Ronaldo is GOAT is f.cking dellusional!!!...The GOAT debate is totally over....if there was ever even a debate in the first place....Messi reigns supreme!!!!
8* ballon d ors common
just a note that theo did call messi a fraud.... just saying🙄
Lord of pens Messi
I’m a United fan. Love ronnie but I’ve always preferred messi it’s like watching magic. They are both easily the goats. The amount of time they were at the top was insane. While having some of the best seasons we have ever seen in football. Fair enough if you have a favourite out of the two but they are both head and shoulders above the rest in the goat convo
Congratulations on Argentina's success in becoming world champion in Qatar 2022, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the Argentina Team Your JOY is our pleasure too, congratulations again.
It was never a debate
The reason Messi is so magnificent, is because he ALWAYS produces moments of magic; whether that be linking up plays, or passing that perfectly weighted assist/through ball, or doing it himself. He can do it ALL!
I can only imagine if Messi was 18 again with the mentality he has now, he would be the perfect storm, the perfect nightmare.
Also, Messi can do anything Ronald can do, and MORE! Striker(Ronaldo) vs. Striker/Midfielder Maestro(Messi)!
Messi and Ronaldo are the goats. For me Ronaldo is better but I will never shame anyone for thinking Messi is, because I don't think anyone of them are clear of eachother. It's just delusional to say "Messi is astronomically clear" because it's simply not true.
The debate is fineto
Messi didn’t need a world cup to surpass Ronaldo. He surpassed him years and years ago.
Both are the 2 greatest, I'd have to watch 100+ games from both to decide who's number 1, and don't have the time or care enough for that.
Never, due to the tremendous help from refrees.
Reev: ‘there’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just wrong😅😂’ 1:50
To even think there was a debate between Messi and Ronaldo is so ridiculous. How can someone watch them play and think that Messi is not head and shoulders above him
2nd best match I ever seen after Newcastle vs man united Boxing Day 2013 or 2012 can’t remember which year but that’s by far the best game I’ve seen
It was Boxing Day 2012, chicharito with the winner to make it 4-3 after united trailed the game 3 times
@@keithkirugumi2677 I was like 3rd row at the game that might of made it better for me but yeh what a game, even though i support Newcastle😂 Newcastle kept going 1 ahead then Man U kept equalising and last kick of the game chicarito scores and knee slides right infront of me (I was in Man U end only way I could get tickets) and I was right on the corner flag he celebrated at😭
By seeing the world giving him the final goat title i'm 100% confirmed now that how much you put effort, dedication & persistentacy in your work, the world will always admire the person with natural talent and goodluck...and yes i'm crying for that. #siuuuu
All that matters is who is better, it doesn't matter why you are the best, that's how the world works
Good luck? Was It was good luck that Messi had when the world destroyed him for losing 3 int finals in a row? Was it good luck when he got knockout out in r16 to France? Was it luck when he scored an outside the box goal on Ochoa one of the best keepers in the tournament ? Pendu fans are a joke lol abs don’t mean you work hard for god sake🤣🤣
not so surprising bro, natural talent combined with hard work beats hard work every time, why do ronaldo fans think messi doesn't work hard? which other 35 year old in history have you seen putting on a wc performance like this like they are 27, messi worked hard to get everything he's achieved, if he was just natural talent he would have ended up like ronaldinho and retired long time ago, like the guy above said if you're better ur just better doesn't matter if its naturally or by hard work
Just cause messi does not post his workouts on instagram doesn’t mean he doesn’t work hard. Arguing with a pendu fanboy is like arguing with a brick.
It was over 10 years ago
How can one change their mind of a 20 year old debate when both players are in their late 30s? Like come on that makes no sense
Even tho messi is absolutely incredible and the only goat of football, ronaldo has also done some great things. Too bad in the last half a year he has embarrased himself so bad that its forever tarnished his legacy. Honestly, the goat debate (if we still want to keep that going on) is now between messi, pele and maradona. Ronaldo is fourth. After those four come in beckenbauer, cruyff, r9, platini, zidane, di stefano, puskas etc.
Not just Leno but Neal Maupay for getting him injured
The referee was spot on 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There never was a debate.
Debate is OVER!! 😄😄
Martinez touched to all of mbappe goals except the second penalty even the shotout penalty
Messi is lacking the Hair of God title, the debate is still ON.
Lmao
The fact that people always come up with 'u have to perform at world cup' and can't see messi has 2 golden balls at world cup' carrying literally the whole team.
was never a debate tbh, never needed this wc but this is to shut all the casual fans up
Theo if that one game changed your mind, sorry but you don’t know ball
To me, the debate never started! Messi is 2 or 3 steps ahead of Ronaldo.
Bruh..it was never a debate in the first place.
Theo needs to put his phone down for once 😂
As a neutral person I will say they both are goats and if you try to compare you can spend your whole life comparing without coming to a conclusion. They have both accomplished great things so Ronaldo fans should respect Messi and Messi fans should respect Ronaldo.
@RonnieColeman-ti7gy it’s not that Messi won the World Cup the whole Argentina won it
why compare
Its not over
Hasn’t been a debate for about 10 years
cant believe you guys let Baker got away with switching teams this easy!!
What is theo waffling about in the first 2 minutes?
It’s over because 1:Messi was better in the first place 2:Messi has got the World Cup and Ronaldo hasn’t And 3:Messi was always 🐐
Ronaldo GOAT
There should have never been any!
Imo, Messi-CR7 debate is not even close even before World Cup. Hell, MJ-Bron is closer of a debate. Messi was a clear step ahead, after WC, he just took off and people started realizing the gap.
Recency Bias 😂
There wasn't any debate to begin with
Any question any more who is better?. 😮
Why did you guys bullied Theo for no reason🤣
What debate?
as a Neutral fan Ronaldo B iggest achievement being compared to Messi
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