Same way people forget that ronaldo had always had almost the same no of assists as messi until 2018, ronaldo also had comparable dribbles per game , messi had 3.3 while ronaldo had 2.7 up until 2014 the injury. They also forgot that ronaldo was a no 7 who puts in crosses better than almost anyone on the pitch, they don't remember the through balls , they only remember the ronny from 2 years ago. So I think messi is doing alright
@@engrademafias it shows that u don't watch football. In United Ronaldo was better, in real Madrid he has more success but not better, he was only mostly a scorer
My dad watched Pele, Maradona, Messi, and Ronaldo live. He said he's never seen anyone like Messi. We're Mexican so he was a bit salty about losing to Argentina but he admitted he's the best ever.
That’s a f00ls logic. Messi worked just as hard. Ronaldinho (if you know who he is) was super talented, but didn’t work hard and lasted 5yrs max. Messi is closer to 20years at the top. That’s not a “gift”. That’s graft
Nonsense...talent alone doesn't keep you at that level for almost 20years. Look at Ronaldinho, Robinson. Messi works just as Hard if not harder than Ronaldo...he just doesn't make videos of it and show it to you. Have watched how physically powerful Messi was between 2005 and 2017??? YOU LITERALLY COULDN'T GET THE BALL OFF HIS FEET DAFUQ
I saw them talking about F1 once. It was a hard watch. If I discover a new sport, only after years of watching would I even consider making a video showing my "knowledge" of it.
Tbh honest thou they are evaluating their careers on point. What they are saying about each one of them is true. Ronaldo is a physical beast that is declining due to his age and Messi is such a highly intellectual individual he is playing chess while everybody is playing checkers
Lol these guys expect Ronaldo to have a World cup no matter what despite playing for Portugal. In Portugal's entire history they've only won 2 intl trophies. Guess which era that was in..yep Ronaldo himself carried Portugal to intl success. They've never been known as a contender to all these major intl trophies so expecting Ronaldo to have a world cup to be classed as the Goat isn't only not fair it was always damn near impossible
@@engrademafias the team they had in this cup was the best that they've had in their history. It was so so much better than Argentina. That's not an excuse anymore. It was the probably the most stacked team after Brazil and France tbh.
I agree Messi is the GOAT athlete i have ever seen and i hate these basketball comparisons. Football is far more technical and skillful than basketball and it is truly the world sport.
Básquet all it's SO overrated like most usa centered sports, when You actually have players arround the world in your biggest league and then have strong squads on other teams to compare, for now it's just they playing on their house field and pretending it's a worldwide event
Ronaldo won 5 Balon d'Ors during the peak Messi years. And he won 5 Champions League titles plus a Euro and Nations League with Portugal 🇵🇹. And he's the greatest goal scorer in the history of football. Not bad for a guy who's leagues behind Messi.
Messi has completed ALL PRICES to he won with the BEST STATS! Pele never played in Europe, Maradonna never won the Copa America, Cryff or Ronaldo never won the World cup, Brazilian Ronaldo never won the Championsleague.. Messi did it ALL!! The true GOAT
The only thing left is LA LIBERTADOTES championship, only player who won everything that messi did + this, is ronaldinho. messi would have to play for a CONMEBOL club tho
@@lacheliereinstein5872NEVER compare Kakà with Messi 🤦🏼♂ Kakà won World Cup with 0 goal contribution and played in just one game Messi won World Cup with 10 goal contribution ( played all the games , won most man of the match awards (5) , won World Cup Golden Ball ( best player of tournament ).
In basketball terms, specifically body feints, messi is very reminiscent of Allen Iverson and his crossovers, but yeah also Curry, specifically his 3 pointers, as messi these days has become one of those players who keeps banging in long range shots, but also passing and vision like tom brady, being 3 steps ahead. Apparently, kerr based some of his tactics on prime barcelona during the tiki taka days of 2009-2012.
You can't compare Messi to Curry, Schultz. Just Say it. Most assists, most goals, smart passing, great defender, most championships, MVPs... MESSI IS COMPARABLE TO JORDAN, SCHULTZ! He reached this status when he showed the hunger every game, the shit talking, the 20 year vengeance on van ghal coach vs Netherlands (he took it personal), the cold haerted leadership when he kicked that sloooow penalty kick vs France ON THE WORLD CUP FINAL. This guy reached god level and GOAT status no doubt. Perhaps, maybe... MESSI>JORDAN.
Yeah messi was ‘born’ with talent. But so are many footballers. We saw many who have so much talent but dont reach there potentials. Balotelli, hazard, depay, etc etc.Messi and Ronaldo just worked harder then most in there own ways. Love them both, both a gift from the football gods.
@@billjames1216 can you read bruh, im saying theres footballers who are said to be special talents but fall short because they’re lazy and dont work hard enough to reach there potential
Ronaldo is also 38. 3 and aha half years older. I agree Messi is the goat and i thought so too before he won the world cup. But Ronaldo doesn't deserve the disrespect he's getting from fans around the world
No he’s not… Hes turning 38 in February while Messi will turn 36 a couple months after.. they are just over 2 years apart.. why exaggerate Ronaldo’s age? Lmao
Also it’s funny how age was never taken into account when comparing their career totals…when comparing stats by age messi has alwAys been far superior.
Watch Messi’s old football footage when he was very young(micro dribbles, pristine finishing, super human awareness). He was doing the exact same thing at that age against his peers. He’s gifted. It’s like Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting…he looks at a problem and the answer just comes to him.
agreed he worked hard like everyone else, but who said other footballers worked less than him? They probably work the same or even more than him but they will never get to messi's level. If hard work the only reason, why isn't there many players like messi?
3:30 you're actually completely forgetting about his assist against Croatia where he left the defender for dead. A defender who was widely-regarded as one of the tournament's best up until this point. Built different.
How can anyone say Messi is less hardworking? He had to overcome physical disability + the side effects of the treatment. And is still incredibly fast and stable.
Funny to see how people who just recently entered the football world don't take into consideration all the different factors that influence results in a players career. Team, manager, league, country, fatigue, quantity and severity of injuries, between lots of other things.
Also, every WC final is awesome, that's why football is so damn attractive to many countries. This maybe is the first final you guys have fully payed attention to because it had Messi whom is a huge image worldwide.
Lol these guys expect Ronaldo to have a World cup no matter what despite playing for Portugal. In Portugal's entire history they've only won 2 intl trophies. Guess which era that was in..yep Ronaldo himself carried Portugal to intl success. They've never been known as a contender to all these major intl trophies so expecting Ronaldo to have a world cup to be classed as the Goat isn't only not fair it was always damn near impossible
Tf? It’s not that different in the nba sports world tho 😂 Their analogies were far better than so called experienced euro pundits who have no business talking football like Piers Morgan 😂
The Goat debate was not decided by the World Cup. Messi is a player who cannot be described by statistics, anyone who has seen him play during his prime knows that. Nevertheless, together with Ronaldo, he leads almost all statistics. In 15 years we will look back on these careers and there will be no more debate. Messi is the greatest footballer in history. The debate will be whether Ronaldo is the second greatest footballer in history. PS: (It was the greatest final, but no way this was the greatest World Cup)
Did you forget pele? Even as a messi fan i would still have to admit Pele had more impact both inside and outside of the field while still having better stats per game than anyone else. Even tho i would still call messi the goat, no one can say that debate will ever be over because they never played against each other
@@bruh-tq2pw How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe something like that, even if you count out friendlies (most of which were against European clubs and national teams), he still had 0.92 goals per game and 0.42 assists per game(official stats), that's much better than both ronaldo and messi by far. And brazil had the best players in the world at the time, the vast majority of them playing in brazil, Europe didn't dominate football back then as it does now, the Brazilian league was very strong at the time
Andrew actually speaks the truth. I am a Ronaldo/Pepe fan in the Goat races. But this is true. It's like with Vidic vs Ferdinand debate. Once his physicality left Vidic, he didn't just become bad, he started playing with his head more to balance his lack of physicality. While Ferdinand deteriorated faster as he didn't switch his play style.
At this point is insulting too Messi to compare him to Ronaldo. The debate now is not Messi or Ronaldo. Is Pele, Maradona, and Messi. But everything Messi has acomplished including the World Cup and his longetivity , he is the Greatest footballer of all time.
4 champions League from 3 different contry and 1000+ gaol at top more than pele maradona messi and just because of a cup he's not in the goat debate shut your mouth
I never thought i’d see the day where Americans debate over soccer.😄 You guys need to check some video’s from the Brazilian Ronaldo… But comparing Christiano and Lionel based on this worldcup, just isn’t fair
Okay Schultzy I usually agree with a lot of what you say but you don't know anything about Football. Please don't do this. It's worse when Messi and Ronaldo fans do this, but it's just cringe when casual fans chime in.
CR7 fans getting emotional. 🤣🤣 Schulz was actually spot on. Cristiano is always the worst player on the pitch when he plays now. He literally had no offers from any Champions league team, and offered to play for half his wages! As Schulz said, Cristiano wasn't a natural talent, he was a super athlete.
Ronaldo and Messi play different positions as well. For all intent and purpose Ronaldo is a striker or a pure attacker and Messi is more of a playmaker/ Midfielder.
This is one of th millions reasons why messi is better. Ronaldo can't play that midfield role, Messi controls and dominates games from anywhere with his playmaker skills but can still play that attacking role with goals, he can literly do it all. 🐐🐐
This is one of the most annoying myths ever. If there was anybody who was a midfielder between Messi and Ronaldo it was Ronaldo. Messi was placed in a pure false 9 position under Pep guardiola meaning he could roam any point of attack he wanted. This has been Messi's position for years. Ronaldo on the other hand has only been a striker for 6 years (6 years out of his 20 year career) originally he was a right midfielder crossing in balls from flanks, before later on he adapted into a fully fledged left winger. Reducing him to a "striker" just shows when you started watching football
@@engrademafias exactly. I hate seeing new fans decide who's better when they haven't seen both of them in their primes. Setting aside the goat debate, what we witnessed in these two, still gives me goosebumps and no other footballer ever will be able to match their class
As football fan we will never forget how good 2022 WC matches and football was and we will never forget the people who died these two topics are separate we could have good WC without people dying. In 2022 WorldCup Football won and Human Rights lost😢
@@SANDUUQA_QISOOYINKA As a person who lives in Middle Eastern country that freedom of speech doesn’t exists and government doesn’t care about human rights don’t let anything like football,money,… go above these cause in long term you’ll be regretting that.
Cristiano Ronaldo's problem started in 2014 world cup when he suffered tendonitis and again he was injured in euro 2016 final. Prime CR7 was a joy to watch. He's decision making stepovers, knuckle ball shots and free-kicks. Dude was carrying his team on his shoulders when Madrid didn't had the likes of Modric, Kroos etc. Meanwhile Messi had one of the best manager in Guardiola, a very well gelled team with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves, Puyol, pique, etc. Even after the injury Ronaldo reinvented his style of play and became a deadly striker. This season really was a blot on Ronaldo's legacy. Thanks to Man Utd. I hope he recovers and we could see good farewell on the top just like Messi did.
What a frigging lie , Madrid was always stacked under Mourinho, the difference is they bought players that fit the mentality and some of the others that were there just grew
Ronaldo during his first stint at Manchester was with quite possibly the greatest Manchester united squad ever with SAF at the helm. So not just Messi but Ronaldo also was always surrounded by great players and coaches. And btw Barcelona's senior team was Guardiola's first job. So Ronaldo had a bigger advantage by getting to play under a more experienced manager
@@jonnstewart2023 really? The likes of Fernando Gago, Drenthe, Garay, Arbeloea, an aged Raul, Guti and they had Negredo as their striker that were the starting players for Madrid when Ronaldo arrived. And Mourinho came later in 2011. And we know how toxic was the dressing room under his time at Bernabaeu. The likes of Kaka and Casillas were falling off with him whole team was in distraught on many big occasions. Yet Ronaldo was constantly delivering. And you are comparing a Barca team which was pretty much the same with its playing style since 2006. Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Messi, Valdes, Pique etc were playing since their childhood at Barca. So, there was easy flow of game and understanding. You can't compare it with what Ronaldo dealt with.
@@jauharshahbaz then explain Messi at Argentina, why do people try to discredit Messi saying he has a good team. Ronaldo always had a stacked team that even after he left Madrid they can still win the Champions League, joined Juventus who dominates Italy and United who are 2nd place in England before his arrival. My point is both Messi and Ronaldo have a very good team that adapted to them both.
11:13: Johan Cruijff a Dutch player from the '70's is a player who never won a WC yet he's considered one of the top 4-5 of all time. Plus, his impact on the game was immense even after he retired, he was the mastermind behind the youth academy of Barcelona (La Masia) which produced Messi, and the system of total football (technically the Dutch coach Rinus Michels came up with it, but Cruijff perfected it) which led the club to a complete domination globally, Barcelona was the numero uno football/soccer club in the world for half a decade in mid-2000's
Yes, Cruyff is the guy who revolutionised modern football. He had an immense impact on the sport as a player, even a bigger impact as a manager. He'd probably be up there in debate with Maradona and Pele as old time greats if he had won that 74 wc final but for me, wc doesn't define a player.
He is also the first true professional football player as he was the first in the world that demands a contract renegotiation (with Ajax) and the first football player that using an agent to do just that.
I have never seen an American understanding football/soccer this much. The way he is explaining every single detail is just wonderful. And I wish the next 2026 FIFA world cup in the USA, Mexico & Canada will make a lot of crazy football/soccer fans in that north zone.
Great analysis Andrew. Bravo! I've been watching both these guys for their entire careers and I couldn't agree more. Messi has always been leagues ahead of anyone...
@@metallicarequiem2936 go anywhere you like and basketball its basketball, same as baseball, biking, racing, skiing, snowboarding, tenis, golf, hockey and so on. Its like naming boxin kickboxing and kickboxing soccing
At 35, Ronaldo was scoring hat tricks against alteico and Spain. He was still 37 when he finished as the 2nd top scorer in the hardest league with an unstable toxic team in it's worst ever form. They sucked him hard for so long and 3-4 months in, he is now a liability. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Messi if he ever moves to PL.
United are now in a better place because they got rid of the problem! They were playing for his tap ins is the reason why they were so bad now with him gone they are in contention for titles and in the CL hunt tied for 2nd ,thanks to ETH!!! All those goals during his United return didn't amass to anything!!
Coming back 10 months later to say Ronaldo is accomplishing more than Messi in 2023, and the Saudi League skyrocketed in the competitive level in a few months so... 😅
11:45 Johan Cruyff never won a world cup too... But he got to the finals in 1974 losing to Gerd Müller's Germany. He also won the best player of that tournament
You are forgiven from comparing Messi to Antetokounmpo because football may not be the sport you grew up watching. And that’s key. As great as this 2022 WC final was, Messi’s legacy is remarkable. Having grown up watching football and 80’s basketball I’d compared Messi’s legacy and problem solving abilities to that of MJ himself.
I think that's a silly statement that I hear. Engineers would choose the most effective player. Messi chooses the most effective options almost every time.
Respekt to flagrant for talking about fotball overall in the podcast this past episodes so can’t hate, even tho my skin is itching do to the lack of knowledge they have of fotball players and fotballhistory in general
Don't agree. Messi now is clearly one or two levels above Ronaldo. He is on the Maradona and Pele level. Ronaldo, although being fantastic and the second best player of the generation, isn't on that level
Talent-wise, yes. It's safe to say that Messi is ahead of anyone else. However, there are other players who are almost on par with Messi, arguably, in talent department. Neymar, Hazard, de Bruyne, these are some who made into the top of the elites. But of course, when you put in the same of work and grind, the guy with the bigger talent is always gonna come out on top.
The only things that were missing in Messi's game were appearing when their team needed him most and winning the world cup. In the end of his career he achieved both. It's the goat.
I’m surprised they’re not talking about Mbappe after this World Cup. But then again they don’t follow football that closely. I appreciate that they’re trying lol
It's the touches Messi makes with the ball or even better the ones he doesn't when he just let's the ball float but catches it on the other side changes direction legs just go in 10 different directions that's why he's the goat the GOAT 🐐 👑
When did these guys start watching football again? None of them saw prime messi and ronaldo and to keep it short I'm a ronaldo fan he is my favorite and yes messi now has a bigger feat with the world cup and I'm happy that one of them won it cause both deserved to win a world cup and I don't think any other player will match their longevity and performing on a high level, they had the best rivalry in sports history hands down
People who never played football at highest level will never be able to understand that both CR7 and LM10 are incomprehensibly skilled both physically and football IQ.
The only World Cup Mbappe lost was against Messi The only Champions League Ronaldo lost was against Messi The only Copa America Neymar lost was against Messi Debate is over. Messi is the GOAT. He won everything.
@@CuriousPug12 it's fascinating how much of a difference being much gifted does. Both in their prime are probably close in level. Some would argue Ronaldo got the advantage because of his hight and physicality. But the difference is obvious once they get older.
He had more natural talent as did Brazilian Ronaldo. But they had poor longevity. Messi and Ronaldo especially are extremely disciplined and consistent. But R. Nazario was unstoppable on the pitch and Maradona was put magic. I still watch Maradona clips and I’m like “how the hell did he pull that?”
Look at Kobe's last 2 championship runs, and tell me he had that "the ball is mine" mentality. Id compare Kobe more to Messi because he had an average vert, average speed, average strength, yet he had the skill to breakdown opponents and poster them in almost any way possible. That "Kobe doesnt pass the ball" narritive only applied to anything before like 07
People seem to forget Ronaldo’s leadership quality, and the fact that he has consistently challenged himself and went from club to club and won virtually every trophy there is. Apart from the world cup obviously. But the man loves to push himself and is constantly driven to improve.
He's not the only player in the football world to push himself. Y'all hype him too much. Even with all that pushing he isn't world class anymore. Thus no UCL club wants him. Every player requires to push himself to keep relevant according to game especially when it comes to division 3 and above
@@anasazhar2525 at the age of34, 35,36all of the greates player finished while ronaldo still third top scorer in the premier league nominated to a baloondor at the age of 37 🤷🏽♂️
Pick whomever you want but to say Mesi is leagues above Ronaldo is just dumb and shows you guys are basing your opinion on recency bias. The two dominated football for over 10 years. What are you guys smoking?
@@christophplank8972 I agree but casuals are more impressed by step overs, bicycle kicks, 40 meter shots, etc. Messi plays more fundamental football, more effective but less flashy
The Ronaldo disrespect is crazy. He hasn't been the same since his son died, yeah he currently isn't as good as Messi, but to ignore his entire career and pretend like he hasn't broken records that the likes of Messi still hasn't broken... Just crazy. People been calling both of them GOATs for years while neither had a WC trophy, so why does Ronaldo lose GOAT status now? If Argentina hadn't won, would Messi not be a GOAT?
When the guy on the left mentioned bench Andrew said ignore that and focus on their peaks they are not considering off the field issues but what they said is inevitability true Messi at an older age is more effective the world cup changed nothing for me he was always clear in the later stages of their career Madrid had the best team in the UCL for Ronaldo while Barcelona had a weak team for 4 years after Neymar
@@Syndor12 thats how I know u don't watch ball , barca had some of their worst squads those years , messi was outscoring and outsssisting ronaldo but the team was just really bad
@@fahda04 they competed against each other for over a decade on stacked teams with crazy budgets and their stats were often down 50-50, switching Ballon d’or, prizes, breaking records, and openly competitive against each other. Argentina is and was a better team than Portugal.
@@Fivetimesthree look up the stats man, in terms of goals, and especially assists, dribbles, chances created, key passes messi is way better. In terms of trophy’s to, but to be fair, ronaldo has 5 titles of the champions leugue and messi 4.
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Messi is also a hard worker but because he's so talented that people seem to forget that.
Cr37 is so selfish, self centered , it’s incomparable to other great players
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Same way people forget that ronaldo had always had almost the same no of assists as messi until 2018, ronaldo also had comparable dribbles per game , messi had 3.3 while ronaldo had 2.7 up until 2014 the injury. They also forgot that ronaldo was a no 7 who puts in crosses better than almost anyone on the pitch, they don't remember the through balls , they only remember the ronny from 2 years ago. So I think messi is doing alright
@@mayank3023 thank you for that. It’s killing me how much football fans are forgetting
@@mayank3023 you’re terribly exaggerating
"There's a huge difference between being a great player and a great goalscorer.".
Johan Cruyff
That's Lewa and Ibrahimovic...not Ronaldo
@@engrademafias ronaldo has more goals than both 🤷♂️
@@rubenbarbeiro6078 and more assists too. Reducing Ronaldo to just a goalscorer shows some people low level knowledge of football
@@engrademafias it shows that u don't watch football.
In United Ronaldo was better, in real Madrid he has more success but not better, he was only mostly a scorer
@@valaja1458 oh keep quiet. All round Ronaldo was so much better at Real Madrid. The stats speak for themselves
People who understand football know that Messi is in a class of his own. He is the GOAT. 🐐
Ronaldo has always been the goat since the day he started playing
@@mehrush6984 whatever makes you sleep, child.
@@mehrush6984 how much longer are u going to keep lying to urself?
Yeah people who understand football like Andrew schulz for example, who still call football soccer
@@mehrush6984 haa lawde
Messi toh tennis khelta hai..
Chutiya sala hatt motherchod
I was shocked to see Messi calmness during the game. I have never seen calmer player than him.
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@@cuteyrahul football is bigger than cricket. Football fans dont know cricket. But cricket fans know football
@@Filmreels832 i can show you 500 million cricket fans in this world who knows nothing about football
@@cuteyrahul show me
@@cuteyrahul the world doesn't revolve aroudn India's cricket bubble
Messi is the greatest footballer I have ever seen. He could do anything, and now that he's older, he's adapted his game to be the best still.
My dad watched Pele, Maradona, Messi, and Ronaldo live. He said he's never seen anyone like Messi. We're Mexican so he was a bit salty about losing to Argentina but he admitted he's the best ever.
I agree Messi is the goat but the view these guys have on Ronaldo is absolutely atrocious😂
@Engrade Mafias of course, Ronaldo was increíble! Ronaldo is like the best of humans and Messi is an alien. Both incredible just different.
And he outrun the best defender of the world cup. Messi is the GOAT!
@@engrademafias No everything they said is 100% facts no líes.
Any true football fan knew Ronaldo was a product of EXTREME HARD WORK + TALENT and MESSI is a GIFT FROM THE FOOTBALL GODS!!!!!!!
they are both a product of extreme hardwork
but messi was and is more talented
talent alone means shit
ronaldo possibly works harder than messi. But let’s not act like being one of the best players of the world does not require extremely hard work.
The goat Zahtlan said this
That’s a f00ls logic. Messi worked just as hard. Ronaldinho (if you know who he is) was super talented, but didn’t work hard and lasted 5yrs max. Messi is closer to 20years at the top. That’s not a “gift”. That’s graft
Nonsense...talent alone doesn't keep you at that level for almost 20years. Look at Ronaldinho, Robinson.
Messi works just as Hard if not harder than Ronaldo...he just doesn't make videos of it and show it to you. Have watched how physically powerful Messi was between 2005 and 2017??? YOU LITERALLY COULDN'T GET THE BALL OFF HIS FEET DAFUQ
Every time I hear them talk about football I die inside
I like it, they are at least trying and appreciate the beauty of the game.
I saw them talking about F1 once. It was a hard watch. If I discover a new sport, only after years of watching would I even consider making a video showing my "knowledge" of it.
Tbh honest thou they are evaluating their careers on point. What they are saying about each one of them is true. Ronaldo is a physical beast that is declining due to his age and Messi is such a highly intellectual individual he is playing chess while everybody is playing checkers
Typical Americans
They need to, 2026 they would be massive. US will host the world cup. This channel will make much money.
Unbelievable. A guy who didn't follow soccer can understand this, but Ronaldo fans can't.
😂😂
I cant believe even Americans are now discussing Ronaldo and Messi...
Why not anyone football isn't someone's sport it's everyone's
Let them be why gate keeping
Lol these guys expect Ronaldo to have a World cup no matter what despite playing for Portugal. In Portugal's entire history they've only won 2 intl trophies. Guess which era that was in..yep Ronaldo himself carried Portugal to intl success. They've never been known as a contender to all these major intl trophies so expecting Ronaldo to have a world cup to be classed as the Goat isn't only not fair it was always damn near impossible
@@engrademafias the team they had in this cup was the best that they've had in their history. It was so so much better than Argentina. That's not an excuse anymore. It was the probably the most stacked team after Brazil and France tbh.
@@mma9869 well I disagree entirely
Messi is an architect , an artist , and a surgeon
Messi is LB and MJ in one.. The BEST athlete of all time!
I agree Messi is the GOAT athlete i have ever seen and i hate these basketball comparisons. Football is far more technical and skillful than basketball and it is truly the world sport.
Básquet all it's SO overrated like most usa centered sports, when You actually have players arround the world in your biggest league and then have strong squads on other teams to compare, for now it's just they playing on their house field and pretending it's a worldwide event
MJ + KB + LB = MESSI
@@stevenskliros9608basketball is a joke skill wise compared to footy
Ronaldo won 5 Balon d'Ors during the peak Messi years. And he won 5 Champions League titles plus a Euro and Nations League with Portugal 🇵🇹. And he's the greatest goal scorer in the history of football. Not bad for a guy who's leagues behind Messi.
He's shite in World cups
Messi has completed ALL PRICES to he won with the BEST STATS! Pele never played in Europe, Maradonna never won the Copa America, Cryff or Ronaldo never won the World cup, Brazilian Ronaldo never won the Championsleague.. Messi did it ALL!! The true GOAT
Kakà did it all!
Nah these aren't all. His playing, his passing, his dribbling, his goals, everything plays a part
The only thing left is LA LIBERTADOTES championship, only player who won everything that messi did + this, is ronaldinho.
messi would have to play for a CONMEBOL club tho
@@lacheliereinstein5872NEVER compare Kakà with Messi 🤦🏼♂
Kakà won World Cup with 0 goal contribution and played in just one game
Messi won World Cup with 10 goal contribution ( played all the games , won most man of the match awards (5) , won World Cup Golden Ball ( best player of tournament ).
Lmfao KAKA did do it all 😅 that's funny!!
In basketball terms, specifically body feints, messi is very reminiscent of Allen Iverson and his crossovers, but yeah also Curry, specifically his 3 pointers, as messi these days has become one of those players who keeps banging in long range shots, but also passing and vision like tom brady, being 3 steps ahead.
Apparently, kerr based some of his tactics on prime barcelona during the tiki taka days of 2009-2012.
Try play basketball with ur feet, there no comparison, basketball is shit
You can't compare Messi to Curry, Schultz. Just Say it. Most assists, most goals, smart passing, great defender, most championships, MVPs... MESSI IS COMPARABLE TO JORDAN, SCHULTZ! He reached this status when he showed the hunger every game, the shit talking, the 20 year vengeance on van ghal coach vs Netherlands (he took it personal), the cold haerted leadership when he kicked that sloooow penalty kick vs France ON THE WORLD CUP FINAL. This guy reached god level and GOAT status no doubt. Perhaps, maybe... MESSI>JORDAN.
His mj ... if mj had magic's playmaking and steph's gravity. Its truly unfair. With timmy's personality HAHAHA
The comparison regarding their skillset is very accurate
He was talking about artistry of both players. MJ is more forceful than Curry. I understand the comparison.
@@jaasonjones4419 I agree
Basketball is a joke, trying playing basketball with ur feet. It's not even comparable
Internet doesn't have to divide for everything, we love Ronaldo and Messi both
Yeah right. Ronaldo is goat foreva
@@casta🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The internet as been around way too long for you to think that’s ever possible
@@casta deluded lol
Both are amazing players.
Yeah messi was ‘born’ with talent. But so are many footballers. We saw many who have so much talent but dont reach there potentials. Balotelli, hazard, depay, etc etc.Messi and Ronaldo just worked harder then most in there own ways. Love them both, both a gift from the football gods.
Bro ur comparing Messi talent to balloteli and hazard??
@@billjames1216 can you read bruh, im saying theres footballers who are said to be special talents but fall short because they’re lazy and dont work hard enough to reach there potential
@@humbertoluque9678 but they’re nowhere near his talent lol
@@ERizzo5 never said they were
Also dele ali
Ronaldo is also 38. 3 and aha half years older. I agree Messi is the goat and i thought so too before he won the world cup. But Ronaldo doesn't deserve the disrespect he's getting from fans around the world
No he’s not… Hes turning 38 in February while Messi will turn 36 a couple months after.. they are just over 2 years apart.. why exaggerate Ronaldo’s age? Lmao
Also it’s funny how age was never taken into account when comparing their career totals…when comparing stats by age messi has alwAys been far superior.
He’s gonna get that Kobe treatment with time
Age is an excuse bruh lol
If Messi plays until then, he will be controlling games like Modrić at Real Madrid
The are just showing how frustrated they were before with all his succes
Watch Messi’s old football footage when he was very young(micro dribbles, pristine finishing, super human awareness). He was doing the exact same thing at that age against his peers. He’s gifted. It’s like Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting…he looks at a problem and the answer just comes to him.
Exactly
agreed he worked hard like everyone else, but who said other footballers worked less than him? They probably work the same or even more than him but they will never get to messi's level. If hard work the only reason, why isn't there many players like messi?
3:30 you're actually completely forgetting about his assist against Croatia where he left the defender for dead. A defender who was widely-regarded as one of the tournament's best up until this point. Built different.
Andrew is such an intelligent guy. His analysis of messi problem solving ability gave words to inner feelings
Nigga really said "you're throwing up names I haven't heard before" when they mentioned Lewandowski😂
Atleast he surely knows his grandpa
How can anyone say Messi is less hardworking? He had to overcome physical disability + the side effects of the treatment. And is still incredibly fast and stable.
The same way, how can anyone say messi is an hardworking player? Do u have any proof
@@adelinogoncalves1180 are u okay? he overcame a terrible physical disability which is obv hard work and became the goat.
@@ahmedumar9684 ??? He overcone due to the treatments Barcelona pay. Inject himself to grow hormones has nothing to do with hard work
@@adelinogoncalves1180Are you stupid?
Its so cute when these guys talk football and try to show that know something about it.
But their comparisons weren’t off…
The analogies were actually decent
These guys know nothing. First time they watched football in their lives, now they're trying to use messi and Ronaldo's names to get more views
Funny to see how people who just recently entered the football world don't take into consideration all the different factors that influence results in a players career. Team, manager, league, country, fatigue, quantity and severity of injuries, between lots of other things.
Also, every WC final is awesome, that's why football is so damn attractive to many countries. This maybe is the first final you guys have fully payed attention to because it had Messi whom is a huge image worldwide.
Messi is clear. They right
It’s because they’re so new to it. The can’t think about those aspects of the game straight away.
Small brain behaviour
Lol these guys expect Ronaldo to have a World cup no matter what despite playing for Portugal. In Portugal's entire history they've only won 2 intl trophies. Guess which era that was in..yep Ronaldo himself carried Portugal to intl success. They've never been known as a contender to all these major intl trophies so expecting Ronaldo to have a world cup to be classed as the Goat isn't only not fair it was always damn near impossible
Tf? It’s not that different in the nba sports world tho 😂
Their analogies were far better than so called experienced euro pundits who have no business talking football like Piers Morgan 😂
The Goat debate was not decided by the World Cup. Messi is a player who cannot be described by statistics, anyone who has seen him play during his prime knows that. Nevertheless, together with Ronaldo, he leads almost all statistics. In 15 years we will look back on these careers and there will be no more debate. Messi is the greatest footballer in history. The debate will be whether Ronaldo is the second greatest footballer in history.
PS: (It was the greatest final, but no way this was the greatest World Cup)
Did you forget pele? Even as a messi fan i would still have to admit Pele had more impact both inside and outside of the field while still having better stats per game than anyone else. Even tho i would still call messi the goat, no one can say that debate will ever be over because they never played against each other
ronaldo is the best striker and winger but the most complete player ever is messi
@@xB0505okay Pele played against farmers. His stats are made up. Are you a 🤡?
@@bruh-tq2pw How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe something like that, even if you count out friendlies (most of which were against European clubs and national teams), he still had 0.92 goals per game and 0.42 assists per game(official stats), that's much better than both ronaldo and messi by far. And brazil had the best players in the world at the time, the vast majority of them playing in brazil, Europe didn't dominate football back then as it does now, the Brazilian league was very strong at the time
And statistically he’s still n1 lol
I never thought an Americano would explain Messi's gameplay and the debate between Ronaldo and Messi this well. I am impressed.
CR7 to be forgotten 😂😂 you really are a good comedian !!
Andrew actually speaks the truth. I am a Ronaldo/Pepe fan in the Goat races. But this is true. It's like with Vidic vs Ferdinand debate. Once his physicality left Vidic, he didn't just become bad, he started playing with his head more to balance his lack of physicality. While Ferdinand deteriorated faster as he didn't switch his play style.
Americans talking about football is like me discussing Harry Potter. 🤦🏿
I'm kinda Shocked that Andrew is kinda spot on this time.
At this point is insulting too Messi to compare him to Ronaldo. The debate now is not Messi or Ronaldo. Is Pele, Maradona, and Messi. But everything Messi has acomplished including the World Cup and his longetivity , he is the Greatest footballer of all time.
4 champions League from 3 different contry and 1000+ gaol at top more than pele maradona messi and just because of a cup he's not in the goat debate shut your mouth
guarantee you're some snotty 13 year old who only watched the tail end of their careers
@@Movies334-y4x thank u, I was about to report his comment.
But where is his world cup tho?
@@MuhammadSufyan-sl2eg 🤣🤣🤣
05:05 this is what 16 year old messi said " as long as the team wins i dont care about scoring or assist"
I never thought i’d see the day where Americans debate over soccer.😄
You guys need to check some video’s from the Brazilian Ronaldo…
But comparing Christiano and Lionel based on this worldcup, just isn’t fair
Okay Schultzy I usually agree with a lot of what you say but you don't know anything about Football. Please don't do this. It's worse when Messi and Ronaldo fans do this, but it's just cringe when casual fans chime in.
CR7 fans getting emotional. 🤣🤣 Schulz was actually spot on. Cristiano is always the worst player on the pitch when he plays now. He literally had no offers from any Champions league team, and offered to play for half his wages! As Schulz said, Cristiano wasn't a natural talent, he was a super athlete.
12:02 I’ve been watching soccer for like 6 days now, had me dying 😅😅😅😅
Ronaldo and Messi play different positions as well. For all intent and purpose Ronaldo is a striker or a pure attacker and Messi is more of a playmaker/ Midfielder.
This is one of th millions reasons why messi is better. Ronaldo can't play that midfield role, Messi controls and dominates games from anywhere with his playmaker skills but can still play that attacking role with goals, he can literly do it all. 🐐🐐
Ronaldo won a ballon dor as a midfielder
This is one of the most annoying myths ever. If there was anybody who was a midfielder between Messi and Ronaldo it was Ronaldo. Messi was placed in a pure false 9 position under Pep guardiola meaning he could roam any point of attack he wanted. This has been Messi's position for years. Ronaldo on the other hand has only been a striker for 6 years (6 years out of his 20 year career) originally he was a right midfielder crossing in balls from flanks, before later on he adapted into a fully fledged left winger. Reducing him to a "striker" just shows when you started watching football
Ronaldo is left winger, not striker.
@@engrademafias exactly. I hate seeing new fans decide who's better when they haven't seen both of them in their primes. Setting aside the goat debate, what we witnessed in these two, still gives me goosebumps and no other footballer ever will be able to match their class
Messi winning the world cup has bin a pain in the hearts of ronaldo fanboys.Messi is a special case and the sooner u make peace wit tht the better
As football fan we will never forget how good 2022 WC matches and football was and we will never forget the people who died these two topics are separate we could have good WC without people dying. In 2022 WorldCup Football won and Human Rights lost😢
Lol westerns ☕
@@SANDUUQA_QISOOYINKA where are you from?
@@SANDUUQA_QISOOYINKA I bet I can go to qatar faster than you go to your nearest city so shut up and put that coffee after western in your ass
@@SANDUUQA_QISOOYINKA As a person who lives in Middle Eastern country that freedom of speech doesn’t exists and government doesn’t care about human rights don’t let anything like football,money,… go above these cause in long term you’ll be regretting that.
@@pooriarashidi2749 🤫🤫 u r not from Middle east at least be thankful we let u have jobs in our golf country يا خرا
Cristiano Ronaldo's problem started in 2014 world cup when he suffered tendonitis and again he was injured in euro 2016 final. Prime CR7 was a joy to watch. He's decision making stepovers, knuckle ball shots and free-kicks. Dude was carrying his team on his shoulders when Madrid didn't had the likes of Modric, Kroos etc. Meanwhile Messi had one of the best manager in Guardiola, a very well gelled team with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Dani Alves, Puyol, pique, etc. Even after the injury Ronaldo reinvented his style of play and became a deadly striker. This season really was a blot on Ronaldo's legacy. Thanks to Man Utd. I hope he recovers and we could see good farewell on the top just like Messi did.
What a frigging lie , Madrid was always stacked under Mourinho, the difference is they bought players that fit the mentality and some of the others that were there just grew
Ronaldo during his first stint at Manchester was with quite possibly the greatest Manchester united squad ever with SAF at the helm. So not just Messi but Ronaldo also was always surrounded by great players and coaches. And btw Barcelona's senior team was Guardiola's first job. So Ronaldo had a bigger advantage by getting to play under a more experienced manager
@@jonnstewart2023 really? The likes of Fernando Gago, Drenthe, Garay, Arbeloea, an aged Raul, Guti and they had Negredo as their striker that were the starting players for Madrid when Ronaldo arrived. And Mourinho came later in 2011. And we know how toxic was the dressing room under his time at Bernabaeu. The likes of Kaka and Casillas were falling off with him whole team was in distraught on many big occasions. Yet Ronaldo was constantly delivering. And you are comparing a Barca team which was pretty much the same with its playing style since 2006. Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Messi, Valdes, Pique etc were playing since their childhood at Barca. So, there was easy flow of game and understanding. You can't compare it with what Ronaldo dealt with.
@@jauharshahbaz ignore him hes a kid
@@jauharshahbaz then explain Messi at Argentina, why do people try to discredit Messi saying he has a good team. Ronaldo always had a stacked team that even after he left Madrid they can still win the Champions League, joined Juventus who dominates Italy and United who are 2nd place in England before his arrival. My point is both Messi and Ronaldo have a very good team that adapted to them both.
Messi and Maradona are worlds above of everyone else. Messi the greatest footballer to have ever inhale oxygen
11:13: Johan Cruijff a Dutch player from the '70's is a player who never won a WC yet he's considered one of the top 4-5 of all time. Plus, his impact on the game was immense even after he retired, he was the mastermind behind the youth academy of Barcelona (La Masia) which produced Messi, and the system of total football (technically the Dutch coach Rinus Michels came up with it, but Cruijff perfected it) which led the club to a complete domination globally, Barcelona was the numero uno football/soccer club in the world for half a decade in mid-2000's
Yes, Cruyff is the guy who revolutionised modern football. He had an immense impact on the sport as a player, even a bigger impact as a manager. He'd probably be up there in debate with Maradona and Pele as old time greats if he had won that 74 wc final but for me, wc doesn't define a player.
U guys are losing the topic a bit but... I get where you are coming from.
He is also the first true professional football player as he was the first in the world that demands a contract renegotiation (with Ajax) and the first football player that using an agent to do just that.
I have never seen an American understanding football/soccer this much. The way he is explaining every single detail is just wonderful. And I wish the next 2026 FIFA world cup in the USA, Mexico & Canada will make a lot of crazy football/soccer fans in that north zone.
Andrew is spot on. Like he said it’s pretty obvious when you watch the tapes
Great analysis Andrew. Bravo! I've been watching both these guys for their entire careers and I couldn't agree more. Messi has always been leagues ahead of anyone...
Tell me you're American without telling me you're American
Andrew you are a genius to be able to see it clearly and explain it in such manner
Everytime they say soccer a baby dolphin dies.
Soccer fans try not to complain and whine about people from a different country calling a sport a different name (IMPOSSIBLE)
@@metallicarequiem2936 go anywhere you like and basketball its basketball, same as baseball, biking, racing, skiing, snowboarding, tenis, golf, hockey and so on. Its like naming boxin kickboxing and kickboxing soccing
Messi is like Le Bron with Steph's technical ability.
so many languages and you decided to speak facts
I just wanna clarify that the reason this World Cup was so good is because of when it happened not where it happened.
Overall I still think the best world cup was 2014. But this final is unmatched
At 35, Ronaldo was scoring hat tricks against alteico and Spain. He was still 37 when he finished as the 2nd top scorer in the hardest league with an unstable toxic team in it's worst ever form.
They sucked him hard for so long and 3-4 months in, he is now a liability. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Messi if he ever moves to PL.
Come on man. I get where ur coming from but just accept the truth. Ronaldo was a great player but Messi is a god like figure
@@nickortiz215 but can Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke?
@@thatguywhois 😭😭😭
United are now in a better place because they got rid of the problem! They were playing for his tap ins is the reason why they were so bad now with him gone they are in contention for titles and in the CL hunt tied for 2nd ,thanks to ETH!!! All those goals during his United return didn't amass to anything!!
@@oscarroca4299 even before Ronaldo united where shit
A lot of players have the same strength and physic like Ronaldo. I don't even think that should be called a privilege.
Like who? Mostly player around his time retired before 35
Coming back 10 months later to say Ronaldo is accomplishing more than Messi in 2023, and the Saudi League skyrocketed in the competitive level in a few months so... 😅
11:45
Johan Cruyff never won a world cup too... But he got to the finals in 1974 losing to Gerd Müller's Germany. He also won the best player of that tournament
You have articulated this so perfectly. Perfectly explained what differentiates Ronaldo and Messi, and why Messi is better.
You are forgiven from comparing Messi to Antetokounmpo because football may not be the sport you grew up watching. And that’s key. As great as this 2022 WC final was, Messi’s legacy is remarkable. Having grown up watching football and 80’s basketball I’d compared Messi’s legacy and problem solving abilities to that of MJ himself.
think you got it wrong. They were comparing ronaldo
They were only comparing their abilities not how big the player is
The fact that these guys talk about these two soccer players shows Messi’s and Ronaldo’s incredible class
The fact that y’all are having this conversation let’s me know football is a global sport!!
Are my fellow Americans finally starting to understand the beauty of fútbol??!
I like this podcast even more now!
Y’all made some great points and some outrageous points in all of 13 mins 😂😂
They are literally 2 Different players that play completely different positions
An artist would make a player like Messi
An engineer would make a player like Ronaldo
I think that's a silly statement that I hear. Engineers would choose the most effective player. Messi chooses the most effective options almost every time.
The only time Shulz has impressed with his football analysis for once. He's right. Messi is a world better.
So impressed with your guys comments u are with on point. ✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿
Di Maria said it best "its as if he is watching the game from above"
Messi plays with not only his feet but also with his brain.
The 🐐
Americans who have no clue commenting on football is hilarious. Pulisic is the LeBron of football.
Respekt to flagrant for talking about fotball overall in the podcast this past episodes so can’t hate, even tho my skin is itching do to the lack of knowledge they have of fotball players and fotballhistory in general
I like it when people who just start watching football /soccer talk about the game like they are experts.
Love their podcast but these lads don’t know Jack about football.
As a Ronaldo fan, I agree Messi is gifted and more skilled.
However he isn't leagues above Ronaldo. They two are very close like Bird-Magic
Those two
If Penaldo wins world cup you can talk lol
@@nathanaelfernandez9466 a team comp dosent equate to individual accomplishments
Don't agree. Messi now is clearly one or two levels above Ronaldo. He is on the Maradona and Pele level. Ronaldo, although being fantastic and the second best player of the generation, isn't on that level
@@NothingSussed Then why Ronaldo fans boasts his 5 ucl..even in individual awards Messi is ahead of Ronaldo..just accept it Messi is better
Talent-wise, yes. It's safe to say that Messi is ahead of anyone else. However, there are other players who are almost on par with Messi, arguably, in talent department. Neymar, Hazard, de Bruyne, these are some who made into the top of the elites. But of course, when you put in the same of work and grind, the guy with the bigger talent is always gonna come out on top.
Andrew on Beckham : "He was nice but no world cup? FORGOTTEN!"😂😂
The only things that were missing in Messi's game were appearing when their team needed him most and winning the world cup. In the end of his career he achieved both. It's the goat.
I’m surprised they’re not talking about Mbappe after this World Cup. But then again they don’t follow football that closely. I appreciate that they’re trying lol
Andrew actually likes and follows Mbappe. The topic on this episode was about Ronaldo vs Messi
Okay
It's the touches Messi makes with the ball or even better the ones he doesn't when he just let's the ball float but catches it on the other side changes direction legs just go in 10 different directions that's why he's the goat the GOAT 🐐 👑
When did these guys start watching football again? None of them saw prime messi and ronaldo and to keep it short I'm a ronaldo fan he is my favorite and yes messi now has a bigger feat with the world cup and I'm happy that one of them won it cause both deserved to win a world cup and I don't think any other player will match their longevity and performing on a high level, they had the best rivalry in sports history hands down
These Americans r low-key right 😂😂
"Shoutout to Islam"
Oh man im dead 😆😂
This is some great content yo 😂
It's cute that these guys are talking about them..after watching couple of videos.
People who never played football at highest level will never be able to understand that both CR7 and LM10 are incomprehensibly skilled both physically and football IQ.
These Guys don't even watch soccer like that, what the hell 😂😂
The only World Cup Mbappe lost was against Messi
The only Champions League Ronaldo lost was against Messi
The only Copa America Neymar lost was against Messi
Debate is over. Messi is the GOAT. He won everything.
I'll do you one better.
The only competition for whom they organised multiple times over 6 years until he wins it... is Messi.
Also Selfless.. what separates
"They offered themselves to the god, for messi to win the world cup" Bruh 💀😂
As a soccer fan surprisingly I agree with Andrew's take
They got adhd can’t focused and stayed on topic. Bouncing around talking about other shits
They actually spot on this time
@@CuriousPug12 it's fascinating how much of a difference being much gifted does. Both in their prime are probably close in level. Some would argue Ronaldo got the advantage because of his hight and physicality. But the difference is obvious once they get older.
@@ldahmy delusional 🤣 wdym ronaldo was more skillfull than messi
If you call it soccer then you aren't really a fan
I grew up on ronaldinho...still see him being better then Messi and ronaldo
He had more natural talent as did Brazilian Ronaldo. But they had poor longevity. Messi and Ronaldo especially are extremely disciplined and consistent. But R. Nazario was unstoppable on the pitch and Maradona was put magic. I still watch Maradona clips and I’m like “how the hell did he pull that?”
He’s not even the top 3 Brazilians of all time 💀
yh thats just nostalgia
He was what got me in the game... He was good... But if u watched the whole season in out... He wasn't that effective as Messi ronaldo was
Prime r9 and ronaldinho would beat (hard) prime messi and cr7 in a 2 vs 2
Look at Kobe's last 2 championship runs, and tell me he had that "the ball is mine" mentality. Id compare Kobe more to Messi because he had an average vert, average speed, average strength, yet he had the skill to breakdown opponents and poster them in almost any way possible.
That "Kobe doesnt pass the ball" narritive only applied to anything before like 07
This world cup was not the only where people had passed away while building the stadiums. Its only metion because where it was held.
MESSI MADE WONDER GOALS LOOK LIKE AMETURES EVEN!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING PLAYER.... SIMPLY GREATEST FOOTBALLER OF ALL TIME MASHALLAH!!!
People seem to forget Ronaldo’s leadership quality, and the fact that he has consistently challenged himself and went from club to club and won virtually every trophy there is. Apart from the world cup obviously. But the man loves to push himself and is constantly driven to improve.
He's not the only player in the football world to push himself. Y'all hype him too much. Even with all that pushing he isn't world class anymore. Thus no UCL club wants him. Every player requires to push himself to keep relevant according to game especially when it comes to division 3 and above
@@anasazhar2525 at the age of34, 35,36all of the greates player finished while ronaldo still third top scorer in the premier league nominated to a baloondor at the age of 37 🤷🏽♂️
@@anasazhar2525 you are right, now it seems like football is a sport of lazybutts and CR7 is the only physical player.
@@Andres_g.V if it's a game of lazy butts why don't you play in any league in division 1
@@anasazhar2525 the physical player that can't be touch because dives so easily.
Pick whomever you want but to say Mesi is leagues above Ronaldo is just dumb and shows you guys are basing your opinion on recency bias. The two dominated football for over 10 years. What are you guys smoking?
If you only watch highlights/compilations you'd think Ronaldo is the better player. When you watch actual games then you realize Messi is the best
I'm dumbfounded by this post...Messi's highlights are out of this world.
@@christophplank8972 I agree but casuals are more impressed by step overs, bicycle kicks, 40 meter shots, etc. Messi plays more fundamental football, more effective but less flashy
The Ronaldo disrespect is crazy. He hasn't been the same since his son died, yeah he currently isn't as good as Messi, but to ignore his entire career and pretend like he hasn't broken records that the likes of Messi still hasn't broken... Just crazy. People been calling both of them GOATs for years while neither had a WC trophy, so why does Ronaldo lose GOAT status now? If Argentina hadn't won, would Messi not be a GOAT?
When the guy on the left mentioned bench Andrew said ignore that and focus on their peaks they are not considering off the field issues but what they said is inevitability true Messi at an older age is more effective the world cup changed nothing for me he was always clear in the later stages of their career Madrid had the best team in the UCL for Ronaldo while Barcelona had a weak team for 4 years after Neymar
@@Syndor12 thats how I know u don't watch ball , barca had some of their worst squads those years , messi was outscoring and outsssisting ronaldo but the team was just really bad
@@Syndor12 2016 to 2018 messi topped all the stats I'm European football idiot
@@Syndor12 Messi was the top scorer of 2016 and 2018..how was he struggling in 2016-18?
@@jonnstewart2023 dont act like messi doesnt play in the greatest club in history
And this is so accurate from someone who doesn’t watch soccer…
For their limited soccer experience, Andrew's take on Messi is pretty accurate
It kills me to hear you speak so poorly about football lol 😂😂😂Ronaldo and Messi are not leagues apart.
They're at least 1 league apart. And with this world cup win, arguably more.
Bro! 🤣
@@fahda04 they competed against each other for over a decade on stacked teams with crazy budgets and their stats were often down 50-50, switching Ballon d’or, prizes, breaking records, and openly competitive against each other. Argentina is and was a better team than Portugal.
@@Fivetimesthree look up the stats man, in terms of goals, and especially assists, dribbles, chances created, key passes messi is way better. In terms of trophy’s to, but to be fair, ronaldo has 5 titles of the champions leugue and messi 4.
ronaldo is definitly one of the goats tho. But I think there is a clear gap between messi and ronaldo.
None of these 3 have seen a football game in their life 😂.