@@Besayrenembarrassing statement ngl. Messi is easily 1st, Ronaldo if we’re being serious is no higher than 3rd because of his career. He does stepovers, headers, and shoots with power.
nah there is a lot of debate to be had about that nothing makes him clear the world cup wont mean anyting if Portugal win the euros this year think about it if that happens two euros and 2 more UCLS than Messi surely do negate the World Cup effect. Tbf at the end of the day both gave each other a hard time no one ever dominated each other only stupid fcks say shit like debate is over.
@@jiahaogoh2822 I'm sorry i'm a Ronaldo fan but i love Messi too but just bcs he won a wc doesn't mean he is clear its a team trophy messi didn't win it by himself what did he do other than scoring penalties every match and also if emiliano wasn't there messi would not have a wc now , that last minute save was incredible an we all know that ballond'or is just joke now like messi is even being nominated for 2024 ballond'or " I'm there like what did he even do he is in the MLS " .Also he won fifa the best award two times in 23 and 24 , a ballond'or , a laures best sportsman award just bcs he won the wc & being the best player of wc in 22 i swear to god no one has ever won this much awards just bcs they won a wc and in 23 he won it over a player like Haaland who is young and had a wonderful stats + treble + broke the premire leage goal record in a very young age And I'm not like other Ronaldo fans i also agree on the 2013 ballondor win by ronaldo being not deserved , but why is messi second for the award then ? why aren't you messi fans not pointing it out ? like its true that FIFA Prefers Messi and Ronaldo over other players Prime Messi >>>> Prime Ronaldo But Overall Ronaldo >>> Messi ( Messi hasn't hit the same after leaving barca and he never will. Now that he has has played in 3 leagues he was/is shit in 2 of them but ronaldo was no.1 in the respective periods for which he played in that leagues except laliga ( messi was the best ) and i'm not including awards bcs after that fifa the best win by messi in 2024 i think fifa is being biased , Ronaldo has more power , pace , physical , heading , no weak foot , penalty accuracy , skills , delivers in clutch , more stamina over Messi meanwhile Messi only has dribbling , passing and freekick accuracy over Ronaldo Like c'mon Ronaldo as a player is so clear than messi the man is 39 he just scored a hat-trick yesterday ( 2 of them are freekicks ) i get it its in camel league , shawarma league Blah Blah but when was the last time messi scored a hattrick let me think oh in the international friendlies 😄 from my knowledge he never scored a hat-trick in MLS Or Uber eats league am i right ?
@@Spider-Man-Fan07Here's a detailed comparison of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's La Liga career stats during the time Ronaldo played in Spain (2009/10 - 2017/18): **Lionel Messi (Barcelona):** - **Goals:** 329 - **Assists:** 122 - **Appearances:** 309 - **Minutes per goal:** 79 - **Minutes per goal contribution:** 58 - **Hat-tricks:** 29 - **Free Kick Goals:** 24 - **Penalties:** 41/51 - **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 31 - **Weak Foot Goals:** 49 - **Headed Goals:** 13 - **Successful Dribbles:** 1,375 - **Key Passes:** 683 - **Average Match Rating:** 8.67¹ **Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid):** - **Goals:** 311 - **Assists:** 87 - **Appearances:** 292 - **Minutes per goal:** 81 - **Minutes per goal contribution:** 63 - **Hat-tricks:** 34 - **Free Kick Goals:** 19 - **Penalties:** 61/72 - **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 23 - **Weak Foot Goals:** 54 - **Headed Goals:** 52 - **Successful Dribbles:** 523 - **Key Passes:** 509 - **Average Match Rating:** 7.94¹ These statistics highlight the incredible performances of both players in La Liga over the years they competed in the same league.. Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/4/2024 (1) Messi vs Ronaldo Goals and Stats when Ronaldo played in Spain. www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/messi-vs-ronaldo-in-spain/. (2) Messi vs Ronaldo - All Time Career Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/. (3) Player Comparison: Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo. fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi. (4) Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo: all-time goals, career stats .... theweek.com/sport/football/955312/lionel-messi-vs-cristiano-ronaldo-rivalry-all-time-goals-career-stats. (5) Messi v Ronaldo: A definitive breakdown of their comparative career stats. www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/a-definitive-breakdown-of-lionel-messi-and-cristiano-ronaldos-comparative-records. (6) Getty Images. www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/lionel-messi-of-argentina-celebrates-victory-during-the-news-photo/1446629309.
@@davidumana9861That is why he have 831 career goals, 361 Assist, 79 Individual awards, 44 trophies, 395 career MOTMs and all the dribblings, Take-ons and Magical moments which stats can't define ☺️ MESSI lives rent free in Ronaldo's head.
Lol he certainly does NOT know ball. The fact that he says Messi is better because he won the World Cup is about as casual as it gets. Messi is better simply because he has always been a clearly better footballer, not because of the World Cup.
Bet you were the same guy that got involved in a DEBATE 4 years ago, people who say that there was never a debate, we’re literally involved in a DEBATE
There is Only one G.O.A.T that's Messi 🐐👑 ... the only thing ronaldo has over messi is goals...that too cos he played twice the amount of games...!! in every other stats or trophies messi sweeps..!! those who are still debating are people who are sad & in denial !! having someone as your favourite player & and completing football and getting the goat status....is two different things... P.S to the ronaldo fans who replies....trashing messi and saying ronaldo is goat....we get that you are hurting inside...but it's okay...life will get better mate !! cheer up 👍
There was nevet a debate. It was KIDS and Media debate. Messi is the GOAT cause he's an Artist ,And overcame so many obstacles to gain all and being World Champion. 👑
more like the media and others r trying to force it down r throat .like he is given awards for absolutely doing nothing since 2019 while ronaldo is being denied everything from day 1 .2018 d'or ,cr7 desereved it ,2019,2021,2023 d'ors messi didnt deserve em .his world cup run is the most overrated thing in history like out of the last 5 they where the worst winners ever and it a team effort ,martinez and di maria was as important as messi most of the times more important .
@@karthiks1059yall call him mr UCL meanwhile he's just levels down messi in stats as Messi Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have had remarkable careers in the UEFA Champions League (UCL), with their performances often compared. Here's a comprehensive comparison of their UCL careers: **Goals and Assists:** - **Messi:** 129 goals, 40 assists in 163 appearances¹. - **Ronaldo:** 140 goals, 41 assists in 183 appearances¹. **Performance Metrics:** - **Minutes per goal:** Messi averages 105 minutes per goal, while Ronaldo averages 114 minutes per goal¹. - **Minutes per goal/assist:** Messi averages 80 minutes, Ronaldo averages 88 minutes¹. **Goal Types:** - **Penalties:** Messi scored 18 out of 23; Ronaldo scored 19 out of 22¹. - **Free Kicks:** Messi scored 5; Ronaldo scored 12¹. - **Outside the Box:** Messi scored 18; Ronaldo scored 10¹. - **Inside the Box:** Messi scored 88; Ronaldo scored 99¹. **Other Stats:** - **Hat-tricks:** Both have 8 hat-tricks in the UCL¹. - **Shots on Target:** Messi has a 46.7% shot accuracy; Ronaldo has 40.5%¹. - **Successful Dribbles:** Messi made 687; Ronaldo made 436¹. - **Key Passes:** Messi made 290; Ronaldo made 213¹. - **Big Chances Created:** Messi created 77; Ronaldo created 44¹. - **Aerial Duels:** Messi won 32; Ronaldo won 186¹. **Match Impact:** - **Man of the Match Awards:** Messi received 67; Ronaldo received 40¹. - **Average Match Rating:** Messi has an average rating of 8.40; Ronaldo has 7.99¹. These statistics reflect their contributions and impact in the UCL over the years. Both players have left an indelible mark on the competition with their unique styles and incredible performances. Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/4/2024 (1) Messi vs Ronaldo Champions League Knockout Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/champions-league/. (2) Messi vs Ronaldo - All Time Career Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/. (3) Player Comparison: Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo. fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi. (4) 2021 Calendar Year Goals and Stats - Messi vs Ronaldo. www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2021/.
@@karthiks1059Here's a detailed comparison of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's La Liga career stats during the time Ronaldo played in Spain (2009/10 - 2017/18): **Lionel Messi (Barcelona):** - **Goals:** 329 - **Assists:** 122 - **Appearances:** 309 - **Minutes per goal:** 79 - **Minutes per goal contribution:** 58 - **Hat-tricks:** 29 - **Free Kick Goals:** 24 - **Penalties:** 41/51 - **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 31 - **Weak Foot Goals:** 49 - **Headed Goals:** 13 - **Successful Dribbles:** 1,375 - **Key Passes:** 683 - **Average Match Rating:** 8.67¹ **Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid):** - **Goals:** 311 - **Assists:** 87 - **Appearances:** 292 - **Minutes per goal:** 81 - **Minutes per goal contribution:** 63 - **Hat-tricks:** 34 - **Free Kick Goals:** 19 - **Penalties:** 61/72 - **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 23 - **Weak Foot Goals:** 54 - **Headed Goals:** 52 - **Successful Dribbles:** 523 - **Key Passes:** 509 - **Average Match Rating:** 7.94¹ These statistics highlight the incredible performances of both players in La Liga over the years they competed in the same league.. Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/4/2024 (1) Messi vs Ronaldo Goals and Stats when Ronaldo played in Spain. www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/messi-vs-ronaldo-in-spain/. (2) Messi vs Ronaldo - All Time Career Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/. (3) Player Comparison: Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo. fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi. (4) Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo: all-time goals, career stats .... theweek.com/sport/football/955312/lionel-messi-vs-cristiano-ronaldo-rivalry-all-time-goals-career-stats. (5) Messi v Ronaldo: A definitive breakdown of their comparative career stats. www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/a-definitive-breakdown-of-lionel-messi-and-cristiano-ronaldos-comparative-records. (6) Getty Images. www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/lionel-messi-of-argentina-celebrates-victory-during-the-news-photo/1446629309.
@@_Lucifer_. Messi scores again Dynamo Zagreb and Rangers meanwhile Ronaldo does it in the knockouts, 2017 UCL run says enough who is better in the UCL
One is a great goal scorer who’s arguably the best goal scorer ever but has nothing else too his game anymore…the other is Messi who is arguably the greatest all rounder ever. There’s literally no debate here. It’s Messi.
@@Asad97654eh. Ronaldo is an amazing player but like Pique said, Messi is just slightly ahead of him overall. Players who have either played against or with both players said the same thing.
@@Asad97654 yeah I know and I’m saying otherwise. It’s obvious Messi is far ahead Ronaldo in being a playmaker, passing is obvious, but there are other aspects to the game that Messi beats Ronaldo in. They are at the same level but Messi is just slightly better.
@@Asad97654 I’m sorry but what is something Ronaldo can do that Messi can’t. Ronaldo has had a good amount of strikers on his team as well, Rooney, Bale, Benzema.
@@alex2187 saying ronaldo is just goal scorer is idiot opinion and people argue these day's 🤡 like ronaldo is completed player he has 283 assist and he is 3rd most assist player that's not lucky the thing is ronaldo had dribbling in man United and real madrid and then he become complete striker which is literally amazing when you see alot of ST players and they can't even close to ronaldo In other hand messi is playmaker and he has alot of goals 2 most goals in history and 1 most assist player in the world with 300+ assist 👏 which is amazing for me messi is clear from ronaldo but that doesn't mean ronaldo is bad it's just messi has alot of points in his side for example his play style is unique he has world cup more ratio goals which is impressive and more individual awards so that is what make messi unique but it's not bad to be second ronaldo is second best player in the world I see alot of people downgrade ronaldo these days and alot of retired players for example hazard these people are jealous just say messi is better but saying ronaldo is goal scorer when the guy was in his prime he was literally the best and did everything in football history
Nope. That’s a false perception. Ronaldo scored 60 goals in 4 ucl that Real Madrid won. In big games and clutch moments it’s always Ronaldo . World Cup changed a lot of stuff
@@asrarfarooqui85 that was in madrid though They are expected to win UCLs as they always have a solid team solid backline and midfield and ofcourse the attack If he won UCLs with anyone other than madrid (who are the kings of UCL even before Ronaldo joined) then he would be considered GOAT by many It's like if you won la liga with madrid it would be "yeah whatever" but if you win la liga with a mid table team being the star player that would be hella more impressive
@@SuRu10116 yea so winning the la liga multiple times and using that to seperate messi and ronaldo at his time in spain should be considered a "yea whatever" for messi since he was playing for a barcelona super team. At least Ronaldo has gone to other leagues and excelled and won titles there.
@@MrHuskii1017 I mean Maldini hasn't gone to other leagues excelled and won trophies there He hasn't even gone to 2 leagues but he's considered the goat defender by people with ball knowledge but apparently it's different for Messi for some reason Most hated player of all time
@@SuRu10116 There's a difference between the GOAT of the sport and a great player for that position. Sergio Ramos is also considered a great defender for playing in one league but we are not talking about a position, rather the GOAT for the sport. That is why the likes of R9 are considered the GOAT of the sport for doing it in multiple leagues or Zidane
Still harry does admit, "I may not even believe myself when I say it" so I think when they say Messi or Ronaldo, deep down all of the sidemen probably knows Messi is the greatest of all time but it´s kind of like when you support a team and become bias. If you grow up watching and being a Ronaldo fan you'll want to believe he is the greatest of all time. Same goes with Messi fans of course, but at the end of the day all FOOTBALL lovers can admit to the fact that Messi probably is the greatest to ever do it, without taking any sort of credit away from Ronaldo
2:31 This is every ronaldo fan ever. Deep inside they know Messi is better but they seem to have some weird crush/fetish for Ronaldo and can't admit it.
Agreed bro but it's just their preference so chill. There is just something about Cristiano's personality that make people fall in love with him. I am a Messi fan by the way
@@farhannadeemahmedaiitj5323 his personality? You mean the personality which’ll throw their captain’s armband, be obsessed with some guy who is completing side quests, and still thinks they’re playing at the top? Yes boss, that “infectious” personality. Fucking all appalling.
@@SuRu10116 I agree but it's just annoying that most people think he is the goat only because he won the world cup. Also it's really unfair to say that Ronaldo is any less than a goat just because he hasn't won a world cup
@@farhannadeemahmedaiitj5323 yeah I get your point Most of the "new" fans who didn't witness cristiano and Messi rivalry at their peak tend to forget what Ronaldo did in his prime days. For Me both are goat's but Messi just edges it as I give watch factor a lot of priority in describing who's better Not saying Cristiano doesn't have the watch factor but Messi uff... You see him and you wonder how's he done that then
@@SuRu10116 exactly. Ronaldo will always be my favorite, but I have always said Messi is the GOAT. I hate how people wanna suck him off now only because of the WC. It’s a team sport, you think Messi, R9, or Pele could carry like Canada to a WC?
@@jp8410 agreed. These people are most probably gen z kids who see edits of Ronaldo or Messi and decide to choose one goat and hate on the other for no reason. Everyone with ball knowledge know in football there is Messi >=< Ronaldo then there is daylight then there are other players who played this beautiful game according to stats,trophies,awards and careers overall
Loved messi before and yeah skillfully and factually he is the goat , but now the feeling of supporting him is kinda faded away the same feeling which was there when he missed the penalty , idk why, maybe because his arc is complete now And for the same reason I feel more for Ronaldo now , l mean I would love to support him in his redemption for the trophy now, yk it feels good It feels like a good story ! So yes now I support ronaldo And in the future maybe someone else , who knows ?
If world cup makes him better then pele is miles ahead of him . If you want to be the greatest footballer u have to proof yourself in different leagues.
@@Knight_clause I don't agree with u bro u can call messi a better dribble then Ronaldo after he left Manchester United but overall not better Cristiano can do everything in football aspect dribble, passing, finishing, assist, speed, strength, list goes on. U have too accept it if u don't then maybe u are living in delusional 👍
Messi is better at the end of their career Ronaldo fans know but they won't accept They'll divide opinions anyway for the things they have done Both are GOATs
@@SuRu10116yep. Ronaldo has 0 INTERNATIONAL PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT despite having most international goals. That should give clarity about the importance of most of his goals
Bro whats jj with his worldcup talking…we know messi is one of the goat but u cant say he is the goat because of a worldcup…giroud has a worldcup mate…and u gotta say no player has the ability to perform like ronaldo from the age 35+…not even messi…put some respect on his name..both of them are goats..respect them🐐
Let me explain this one..Messi was always in the goat convo with pele and maradona. We dont see cr7 usually in that convo. No, its not messi fans who created that debate. Messi was in that debate cuz of his abilities. But the thing is maradona and pele had a worldcup which was always used against messi to put him in the number 3 position behind the legends. People wanted messi to settle this. In the end he won a copa america and a world cup. Thats why people use the wc as an argument.
Ronaldo has my respect cause he worked super hard to reach Messi' level and competed with him for many years but as they get older you can see Messi is still as skillful as he was 10 years ago whilst Ronaldo has lost to age when it comes to stamina and dribbling to the point where now he is a poacher in the Saudi League (that he still hasn't even won a trophy for) while Messi already gave Inter Miami their first trophy are leading their conference in 1st place whilst being a contributing factor in both goals, assists, chances created, etc. Messi the 🐐 But Ronaldo has my respect
Looks play a huge role in any kind of job , ronaldo is a great player but the reason hes more popular and still in this debate is bcoz hes good looking
Just because Messi won the world cup doesn’t make him the goat… because that will make mbappe the goat because he won the world cup at such a young age and came to final again with a hattrick… At the same time just because Ronaldo didn’t win world cup, he is not the Goat…. He is literally known as Mr UCL( the most difficult championship in the world) and the top goal scorer of all time… Both are the greatest players that that has ever entered the football world. Still debating on this is just cringe
@@aRonStoneX trophies don't matter when comparing individuals, football matters when comparing individuals, Ronaldo ain't the better CL footballer than Lewa, he is too stiff, has worse ball control, less intelligent player, worse shooter, worse passer and most importantly the more team-dependent player
@@aRonStoneX acting like certain trophies don't matter then you go for "how many UCL does Lewa have"🤡🤡. Ronaldo played for a stacked Madrid team during that period. What even more funny is Madrid won another UCL WITHOUT him. Meanwhile Barcelona without Messi💩💩. That's the difference you penaldo fans can't accept.
The argument about the world cup is so stupid. Messi is playing for Argentina Ronaldo is playing for Portugal. I am portuguese and we do punch above our weigh but to use the fact that he won the world cup ( where he played shit in most games) with one of the best teams in the world as the deciding factor is an IQ test on its own
I could use so many arguments to explain why Messi is clear of Ronaldo. Better passer, dribbler, chances created, individual achievements,goal to game ratio, outside the box shooter, free kicks,and just literally start and finish the plays all the way from other side of the pitch...but the fact that there are way more professional footballers and coaches that choose Messi (and they are experts obviously) says enough
That’s odd because half the stuff u stated favor Ronaldo: Ronaldo has better skills, more goals, better free kicks, outside the box shooter, etc. Messi played for Barcelona for 95% of his football career while Ronaldo kept his same level of talent in almost all the best European leagues he has played in. He’s also been in the game longer than Messi.
@winybiny I promise you you are incorrect and by the way I'm a madrid fan. Messi playing in Barca is not a reason to discredit him. Look up his stats against top Premier league teams I think he's got the best stats actually. Messi is much better at free kicks and outside the box throughout his career I can't believe you think otherwise to be honest. And better skills? He's been a good dribbler the first 5 years but after that he's actually been an average dribbler I promise you everyone knows this lol. And like I said, don't you trust experts opinions? Think, think why most of them which are unbiased have chosen Messi. You need to accept that they know more than you. You simply can't say "oh yeah it's fixed they're all biased or don't know what they're talking about"...they're experts of the game!
@@ThillyThauthageth I didn’t discredit Messi, I just gave the reasons why the argument used is flawed and why Ronaldo is better. The “experts” u are just normal ppl who also have an opinion. The reason the voice of those who say Messi is better seems much louder is because of the recent World Cup result, not because of Messi’s individual accomplishments compared to Ronaldo’s. If u believe Messi is better than fine, we agree to disagree.
@winybiny the arguments are not flawed actually what I said is correct however I have realised that the best way to prove that Messi is better isn't just by comparing stats which by the way yes Ronaldo wins in some but actually individually Messi has a lot more and there's nothing better to prove this than balon dor which only the last 2 were controversial. Best argument I think is that experts which I insist are professional footballers and coaches from around the world who know football more than fans (hopefully we can agree on this?) do mostly agree that Messi is better. If you take fanbase aside, every poll you see online, every ranking every aggregated opinion agrees that Messi is better and sorry but that's something that Ronaldo fans will have to accept. You can be a fan and still accept that Messi overall is a better footballer, and no this isn't Jordan vs LeBron debate there really is that much of a difference
jj just follows pr when ronaldo came back to united and was scoring goals most premier league fans said ronaldo is the goat (including jj) as soon as he leaves and messi wins the wc they all say messi is the goat This shows how bad their football knowledge is tbh
At the moment Messi is leading the goat debate and it will stay that way probably at the end of their careers But agreed the reason JJ has for Messi being the goat shows his ball knowledge is bad
Thinking that the only reason Messi is better than Ronaldo is the world Cup is just as dumb as think Ronaldo is better than Messi. Leo is so much better than Ronaldo with or without the stats and it's not even close.
Messi for sure no debate , media created this to make money , Ronaldo is not even close to Messi , great striker for sure but don’t compare to the Goat Messi
A debate? Let’s start when Messi and Ronaldo left Spain… Ronaldo in Juventus incredible performance and career! Messi in PSG was like Ronaldo in Saudi know ! Ronaldo in United not to much but he was still better than Messi because of the numbers and goals! Ronaldo in al Nassr was like Messi in PSG - you heard of good game performance and second game you didn’t hear anything! Do not come with Argentina winning World Cup because Messi scored like 5 penalties and 1 or 2 clear goals. He was part of it with his squad yes but that didn’t prove that he has carried Argentina in the finals to be real! But still Respekt for Messi wining… when we see overall, if you put Ronaldo everywhere in premier league or Seria A league… he is gonna put numbers and incredible games! Messi didn’t prove in France or America know… Messi was just in Spain a goat but a best best player can play everywhere or not ? Sorry for my bad English, it isn’t my first language
@@arjungiridhar638 that doesn’t matter cuz you need to remember who was benched and who was performing the most during the World Cup. Argentina is milking the heck out of messi while the Portugal players till today are just destroying Ronaldo despite his good form
Not sure if you know this little rule in football, if you get fouled inside the penalty area, guess what happens? It’s a penalty 😮😮😮 I know your mind is blown
The world cup argument is dumb as fuck. Argentina has always had a stacked roster of world class players. It was only a matter of time they won. Portugal tho??? Only Ronaldo, he can’t win WC by himself
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Nah I refuse to believe the Luke guy was born in 2007 and only just turned 17. Dude looks like he is in his mid 30s.
that's that darts physique
That Luke guy is like a world champion at his sport
@@amadoumakhtarmbodj1633 good for him but kid is aging horribly
Who tf is that guy
2007 is crazy tbf
Everyone besides Real and ManU Fans know Messi is the GOAT
Every Man U fans know CR7 was never on par with Messi.
what i stupid take.
not a manU fan or Madrid but even barcelona fans know miss ain't even top five
@@Besayrenembarrassing statement ngl. Messi is easily 1st, Ronaldo if we’re being serious is no higher than 3rd because of his career. He does stepovers, headers, and shoots with power.
City fan , ronaldo is better
harry is a chelsea fan and ethan is a westham, 😂😂
The sidemen are nearly double Luke’s age. That’s crazy
Messi’s clear. No debate to be had.
fuck off ronaldo is way clear
Saying messi is clear is like saying liton clear of arsenal
nah there is a lot of debate to be had about that nothing makes him clear the world cup wont mean anyting if Portugal win the euros this year think about it if that happens two euros and 2 more UCLS than Messi surely do negate the World Cup effect. Tbf at the end of the day both gave each other a hard time no one ever dominated each other only stupid fcks say shit like debate is over.
@@umarremawa1757explain?
They are on the same level, saying Messi is superior is stupid, and viceversa
JJ with the W for choosing Messi as his GOAT!
Nah
Who is messi😂
@@Hk-wb2ieYour dad
@@Hk-wb2ie Come on bro I'm not a joker like u to br funny🤡😂😂
@@Hk-wb2ie I have a dad ofc Alhumdullilah ❤️
this guy is NOT 17
Fr. I was shocked searching the dude up and seeing he was born in 2007, mf looks mid 30s
Born on a leap year. Check his birthday
There’s no debate lol
Who is messi😂
@@Hk-wb2ieMessi is the goat, go cry about it 😂
@Thegodson661 Messi is trash 🗑 go cry 😢 hahaha
@@Thekingsson911 npc - bot
@@Thekingsson911 cr7 is the greatest of all time
Listening to people with zero football knowledge is painful.
True
Messi is so clear listening to anyone debate for ronaldo is genuinely cringe
@@jiahaogoh2822 atleast JJ knew
@@jiahaogoh2822 I'm sorry i'm a Ronaldo fan but i love Messi too but just bcs he won a wc doesn't mean he is clear its a team trophy messi didn't win it by himself what did he do other than scoring penalties every match and also if emiliano wasn't there messi would not have a wc now , that last minute save was incredible an we all know that ballond'or is just joke now like messi is even being nominated for 2024 ballond'or " I'm there like what did he even do he is in the MLS " .Also he won fifa the best award two times in 23 and 24 , a ballond'or , a laures best sportsman award just bcs he won the wc & being the best player of wc in 22 i swear to god no one has ever won this much awards just bcs they won a wc and in 23 he won it over a player like Haaland who is young and had a wonderful stats + treble + broke the premire leage goal record in a very young age
And I'm not like other Ronaldo fans i also agree on the 2013 ballondor win by ronaldo being not deserved , but why is messi second for the award then ? why aren't you messi fans not pointing it out ? like its true that FIFA Prefers Messi and Ronaldo over other players
Prime Messi >>>> Prime Ronaldo But
Overall Ronaldo >>> Messi ( Messi hasn't hit the same after leaving barca and he never will. Now that he has has played in 3 leagues he was/is shit in 2 of them but ronaldo was no.1 in the respective periods for which he played in that leagues except laliga ( messi was the best ) and i'm not including awards bcs after that fifa the best win by messi in 2024 i think fifa is being biased , Ronaldo has more power , pace , physical , heading , no weak foot , penalty accuracy , skills , delivers in clutch , more stamina over Messi meanwhile Messi only has dribbling , passing and freekick accuracy over Ronaldo Like c'mon Ronaldo as a player is so clear than messi the man is 39 he just scored a hat-trick yesterday ( 2 of them are freekicks ) i get it its in camel league , shawarma league Blah Blah but when was the last time messi scored a hattrick let me think oh in the international friendlies 😄 from my knowledge he never scored a hat-trick in MLS Or Uber eats league am i right ?
@@Spider-Man-Fan07Here's a detailed comparison of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's La Liga career stats during the time Ronaldo played in Spain (2009/10 - 2017/18):
**Lionel Messi (Barcelona):**
- **Goals:** 329
- **Assists:** 122
- **Appearances:** 309
- **Minutes per goal:** 79
- **Minutes per goal contribution:** 58
- **Hat-tricks:** 29
- **Free Kick Goals:** 24
- **Penalties:** 41/51
- **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 31
- **Weak Foot Goals:** 49
- **Headed Goals:** 13
- **Successful Dribbles:** 1,375
- **Key Passes:** 683
- **Average Match Rating:** 8.67¹
**Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid):**
- **Goals:** 311
- **Assists:** 87
- **Appearances:** 292
- **Minutes per goal:** 81
- **Minutes per goal contribution:** 63
- **Hat-tricks:** 34
- **Free Kick Goals:** 19
- **Penalties:** 61/72
- **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 23
- **Weak Foot Goals:** 54
- **Headed Goals:** 52
- **Successful Dribbles:** 523
- **Key Passes:** 509
- **Average Match Rating:** 7.94¹
These statistics highlight the incredible performances of both players in La Liga over the years they competed in the same league..
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/4/2024
(1) Messi vs Ronaldo Goals and Stats when Ronaldo played in Spain. www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/messi-vs-ronaldo-in-spain/.
(2) Messi vs Ronaldo - All Time Career Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/.
(3) Player Comparison: Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo. fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi.
(4) Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo: all-time goals, career stats .... theweek.com/sport/football/955312/lionel-messi-vs-cristiano-ronaldo-rivalry-all-time-goals-career-stats.
(5) Messi v Ronaldo: A definitive breakdown of their comparative career stats. www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/a-definitive-breakdown-of-lionel-messi-and-cristiano-ronaldos-comparative-records.
(6) Getty Images. www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/lionel-messi-of-argentina-celebrates-victory-during-the-news-photo/1446629309.
Messi is literally clear. Ksi knows ball❤
He flip flops. All day
@@davidumana9861 you're just jealous
@@davidumana9861That is why he have 831 career goals, 361 Assist, 79 Individual awards, 44 trophies, 395 career MOTMs and all the dribblings, Take-ons and Magical moments which stats can't define ☺️ MESSI lives rent free in Ronaldo's head.
Lol he certainly does NOT know ball. The fact that he says Messi is better because he won the World Cup is about as casual as it gets. Messi is better simply because he has always been a clearly better footballer, not because of the World Cup.
Bet you were the same guy that got involved in a DEBATE 4 years ago, people who say that there was never a debate, we’re literally involved in a DEBATE
There is Only one G.O.A.T that's Messi 🐐👑 ... the only thing ronaldo has over messi is goals...that too cos he played twice the amount of games...!! in every other stats or trophies messi sweeps..!! those who are still debating are people who are sad & in denial !! having someone as your favourite player & and completing football and getting the goat status....is two different things...
P.S to the ronaldo fans who replies....trashing messi and saying ronaldo is goat....we get that you are hurting inside...but it's okay...life will get better mate !! cheer up 👍
That’s fair, but to the people that say there was NEVER a debate is criminal, as they both pushed each other over the limits
Messi the goat 🐐
Both are goats the el clasico rivalry between them was something special.
Of course, they are both goats but when it comes down to who's the better player there's no debate, Messi is clear.
@@grim9501nope
@@grim9501 messi at 36 vs ronaldo at 36 lol
messi won the World cup at 35 and Ballon d'Or at 36@@PengaYT
@@ap11plays12 Just Fifa Tings
messi clear it's not even close best ever best athlete my goat x
Imagine still thinking Ronaldo is better than Messi
He is tho
@@siddepp7192how? Like genuinely how? Stat wise messi wipes the floor but still how do you think Ronaldo better?
@@GOATz22dont even bother only god knows why these lot are so delusional, Messi is clear and its not even close
People prefer the "look" of him and his rags to riches story with his "mentality"@@GOATz22
@@GOATz22Stat wise Ronaldo, Mbappe, and Haaland wipes Messi
Messi no WC >>>>> Ronaldo
KSI knows football!💯 Messi is the GOAT🐐🇦🇷
There was nevet a debate. It was KIDS and Media debate.
Messi is the GOAT cause he's an Artist ,And overcame so many obstacles to gain all and being World Champion.
👑
There was always a consens among neutral coaches that Messi is the best of his generation and the stats back it up - that says it all
Imagine that JJ knows more ball than the rest of them lol
Messi 🐐 greatest most complete player of all time
For people who watches football knows Messi is by far the greatest player ever and it's not even an opinion anymore its the FACTOS! 🐐
more like the media and others r trying to force it down r throat .like he is given awards for absolutely doing nothing since 2019 while ronaldo is being denied everything from day 1 .2018 d'or ,cr7 desereved it ,2019,2021,2023 d'ors messi didnt deserve em .his world cup run is the most overrated thing in history like out of the last 5 they where the worst winners ever and it a team effort ,martinez and di maria was as important as messi most of the times more important .
@@karthiks1059🤡
@@karthiks1059yall call him mr UCL meanwhile he's just levels down messi in stats as Messi
Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have had remarkable careers in the UEFA Champions League (UCL), with their performances often compared. Here's a comprehensive comparison of their UCL careers:
**Goals and Assists:**
- **Messi:** 129 goals, 40 assists in 163 appearances¹.
- **Ronaldo:** 140 goals, 41 assists in 183 appearances¹.
**Performance Metrics:**
- **Minutes per goal:** Messi averages 105 minutes per goal, while Ronaldo averages 114 minutes per goal¹.
- **Minutes per goal/assist:** Messi averages 80 minutes, Ronaldo averages 88 minutes¹.
**Goal Types:**
- **Penalties:** Messi scored 18 out of 23; Ronaldo scored 19 out of 22¹.
- **Free Kicks:** Messi scored 5; Ronaldo scored 12¹.
- **Outside the Box:** Messi scored 18; Ronaldo scored 10¹.
- **Inside the Box:** Messi scored 88; Ronaldo scored 99¹.
**Other Stats:**
- **Hat-tricks:** Both have 8 hat-tricks in the UCL¹.
- **Shots on Target:** Messi has a 46.7% shot accuracy; Ronaldo has 40.5%¹.
- **Successful Dribbles:** Messi made 687; Ronaldo made 436¹.
- **Key Passes:** Messi made 290; Ronaldo made 213¹.
- **Big Chances Created:** Messi created 77; Ronaldo created 44¹.
- **Aerial Duels:** Messi won 32; Ronaldo won 186¹.
**Match Impact:**
- **Man of the Match Awards:** Messi received 67; Ronaldo received 40¹.
- **Average Match Rating:** Messi has an average rating of 8.40; Ronaldo has 7.99¹.
These statistics reflect their contributions and impact in the UCL over the years. Both players have left an indelible mark on the competition with their unique styles and incredible performances.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/4/2024
(1) Messi vs Ronaldo Champions League Knockout Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/champions-league/.
(2) Messi vs Ronaldo - All Time Career Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/.
(3) Player Comparison: Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo. fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi.
(4) 2021 Calendar Year Goals and Stats - Messi vs Ronaldo. www.messivsronaldo.app/calendar-year-stats/2021/.
@@karthiks1059Here's a detailed comparison of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo's La Liga career stats during the time Ronaldo played in Spain (2009/10 - 2017/18):
**Lionel Messi (Barcelona):**
- **Goals:** 329
- **Assists:** 122
- **Appearances:** 309
- **Minutes per goal:** 79
- **Minutes per goal contribution:** 58
- **Hat-tricks:** 29
- **Free Kick Goals:** 24
- **Penalties:** 41/51
- **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 31
- **Weak Foot Goals:** 49
- **Headed Goals:** 13
- **Successful Dribbles:** 1,375
- **Key Passes:** 683
- **Average Match Rating:** 8.67¹
**Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid):**
- **Goals:** 311
- **Assists:** 87
- **Appearances:** 292
- **Minutes per goal:** 81
- **Minutes per goal contribution:** 63
- **Hat-tricks:** 34
- **Free Kick Goals:** 19
- **Penalties:** 61/72
- **Goals from Outside the Box (open play):** 23
- **Weak Foot Goals:** 54
- **Headed Goals:** 52
- **Successful Dribbles:** 523
- **Key Passes:** 509
- **Average Match Rating:** 7.94¹
These statistics highlight the incredible performances of both players in La Liga over the years they competed in the same league..
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/4/2024
(1) Messi vs Ronaldo Goals and Stats when Ronaldo played in Spain. www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/messi-vs-ronaldo-in-spain/.
(2) Messi vs Ronaldo - All Time Career Goals and Stats. www.messivsronaldo.app/.
(3) Player Comparison: Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo. fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi.
(4) Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo: all-time goals, career stats .... theweek.com/sport/football/955312/lionel-messi-vs-cristiano-ronaldo-rivalry-all-time-goals-career-stats.
(5) Messi v Ronaldo: A definitive breakdown of their comparative career stats. www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/a-definitive-breakdown-of-lionel-messi-and-cristiano-ronaldos-comparative-records.
(6) Getty Images. www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/lionel-messi-of-argentina-celebrates-victory-during-the-news-photo/1446629309.
@@_Lucifer_. Messi scores again Dynamo Zagreb and Rangers meanwhile Ronaldo does it in the knockouts, 2017 UCL run says enough who is better in the UCL
One is a great goal scorer who’s arguably the best goal scorer ever but has nothing else too his game anymore…the other is Messi who is arguably the greatest all rounder ever. There’s literally no debate here. It’s Messi.
@@Asad97654eh. Ronaldo is an amazing player but like Pique said, Messi is just slightly ahead of him overall. Players who have either played against or with both players said the same thing.
@@Asad97654 yeah I know and I’m saying otherwise. It’s obvious Messi is far ahead Ronaldo in being a playmaker, passing is obvious, but there are other aspects to the game that Messi beats Ronaldo in. They are at the same level but Messi is just slightly better.
@@Asad97654 I’m sorry but what is something Ronaldo can do that Messi can’t. Ronaldo has had a good amount of strikers on his team as well, Rooney, Bale, Benzema.
@@alex2187 saying ronaldo is just goal scorer is idiot opinion and people argue these day's 🤡 like ronaldo is completed player he has 283 assist and he is 3rd most assist player that's not lucky the thing is ronaldo had dribbling in man United and real madrid and then he become complete striker which is literally amazing when you see alot of ST players and they can't even close to ronaldo
In other hand messi is playmaker and he has alot of goals 2 most goals in history and 1 most assist player in the world with 300+ assist 👏 which is amazing for me messi is clear from ronaldo but that doesn't mean ronaldo is bad it's just messi has alot of points in his side for example his play style is unique he has world cup more ratio goals which is impressive and more individual awards so that is what make messi unique but it's not bad to be second ronaldo is second best player in the world
I see alot of people downgrade ronaldo these days and alot of retired players for example hazard these people are jealous just say messi is better but saying ronaldo is goal scorer when the guy was in his prime he was literally the best and did everything in football history
@@craxmaankhaalid8138 🤡where did I say Ronaldo is just a goal scorer. I legit said he’s an amazing player but Messi is just slightly better.
Messi has always been greater
True football fans appreciate both the goats. 🐐
I appreciate them both but Messi is better
@@First-Name--Last-Name i appreciate them both but ronaldo is better.
@siddepp7192 you are mixing feels with facts, hope you dont do that with other scenarios in your life. 😬😬😬
@@siddepp7192 but you won't give a reason for that
I appreciate both but Ronaldo is my goat
Sad thing is, none of them met Messi only Ronaldo, which goes to show how bias they are 😂
Messi clear by miles
cant wait to watch a full video of SIDEMEN debate MESSI vs RONALDO
just kidding, im leaving this once i stop typing
Just imagine the scenes on the internet if Ronaldo actually goes to another World Cup and wins 😂
The only way Portugal can win is if he sits on the bench
Imagine scenes if argentina win 2nd
Key word is "Imagine"
It would be funny to imagine this but it won't happen anyway
He needs to go and perform and then win. If he wins it in the bench you simply cannot add it.
Messi is factually the goat, even before the World Cup. His team contributions greatly outweigh Ronaldo’s
Nope. That’s a false perception. Ronaldo scored 60 goals in 4 ucl that Real Madrid won. In big games and clutch moments it’s always Ronaldo . World Cup changed a lot of stuff
@@asrarfarooqui85 that was in madrid though
They are expected to win UCLs as they always have a solid team solid backline and midfield and ofcourse the attack
If he won UCLs with anyone other than madrid (who are the kings of UCL even before Ronaldo joined) then he would be considered GOAT by many
It's like if you won la liga with madrid it would be "yeah whatever" but if you win la liga with a mid table team being the star player that would be hella more impressive
@@SuRu10116 yea so winning the la liga multiple times and using that to seperate messi and ronaldo at his time in spain should be considered a "yea whatever" for messi since he was playing for a barcelona super team. At least Ronaldo has gone to other leagues and excelled and won titles there.
@@MrHuskii1017 I mean Maldini hasn't gone to other leagues excelled and won trophies there
He hasn't even gone to 2 leagues but he's considered the goat defender by people with ball knowledge but apparently it's different for Messi for some reason
Most hated player of all time
@@SuRu10116 There's a difference between the GOAT of the sport and a great player for that position. Sergio Ramos is also considered a great defender for playing in one league but we are not talking about a position, rather the GOAT for the sport. That is why the likes of R9 are considered the GOAT of the sport for doing it in multiple leagues or Zidane
KSI Being KSI at 3:46 😂😂😂
Congrats to Ethan for proposing 🎉
This is too goated
How has KSI gone from messi to ronaldo then back to messi? Both fans should not value his opinion anymore 😂
Messi clear... never debate... Cr7 is only in debate with R9.
Littler looks a lot more relaxed on this than he did on happy hour
Madness that Luke is only 17 and doing what he's doing
Still harry does admit, "I may not even believe myself when I say it" so I think when they say Messi or Ronaldo, deep down all of the sidemen probably knows Messi is the greatest of all time but it´s kind of like when you support a team and become bias. If you grow up watching and being a Ronaldo fan you'll want to believe he is the greatest of all time. Same goes with Messi fans of course, but at the end of the day all FOOTBALL lovers can admit to the fact that Messi probably is the greatest to ever do it, without taking any sort of credit away from Ronaldo
Exactly
Ronaldo can be An individual's Goat but Deep down all know Messi is THE GOAT of the sport
@@SuRu10116nope
You be safe tho
@@ayaanlatif2296 Well Ronaldo is your Goat and you're free to have an opinion no worries have a wonderful day
@@SuRu10116 correction * Football not Sport
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2:31
This is every ronaldo fan ever.
Deep inside they know Messi is better but they seem to have some weird crush/fetish for Ronaldo and can't admit it.
Agreed bro but it's just their preference so chill. There is just something about Cristiano's personality that make people fall in love with him. I am a Messi fan by the way
@@farhannadeemahmedaiitj5323 his personality? You mean the personality which’ll throw their captain’s armband, be obsessed with some guy who is completing side quests, and still thinks they’re playing at the top? Yes boss, that “infectious” personality. Fucking all appalling.
@@raindropsonthewindowsill5170 yeah bro definitely has a Messi shrine in his bedroom and let's ronaldo live rent free in his head 😂😂
@@raindropsonthewindowsill5170 Well if you think you know him so much then list his good things too. You are just a hater
@@farhannadeemahmedaiitj5323 you’re taking the piss. Hater’s (one of) the most overused terms currently, sigh.
The children really show themselves up when a Messi x Ronaldo discussion appears for the millionth time don’t they
Call of duty world at war, my god the memories! I wish Ethan would do a playthrough or something
Ethan with his usual I love Ronaldo because he has six packs 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0:39 AYO
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"Neeky"
Grow up 🙏🏻😹
Wtf did he say
I’m not sure they understand the concept of freaky friday 🤣
0:40 WHAT DID ETHAN SAY?LIL N KID?💀😂
KSI meets Ronaldo "why you so freaking consequent" Ronaldo - bro what 💀💀💀
consistent
@@KaranS2022 bruh I didn't cen realize
If Ronaldo won the wc through pens you wouldn’t hear the end of it. He just has more haters
But he didn’t did he? He scored one goal and went out while being benched
He scored 3 pens out of 5 total goals in the euros 2020
Guess he should learn playmaking if he wants to win
Whoever responds to this just proves my point and your all the haters 😂
If fc
@@hgunrr7785 I’m not a hater, your argument is just stupid lol
There was never a debate
It was never a debate tbh
World Cup is the worst debate ever.
Agreed that's the cherry on top
Even before the wc Messi was clear
@@SuRu10116 I agree but it's just annoying that most people think he is the goat only because he won the world cup. Also it's really unfair to say that Ronaldo is any less than a goat just because he hasn't won a world cup
@@farhannadeemahmedaiitj5323 yeah I get your point
Most of the "new" fans who didn't witness cristiano and Messi rivalry at their peak tend to forget what Ronaldo did in his prime days. For Me both are goat's but Messi just edges it as I give watch factor a lot of priority in describing who's better
Not saying Cristiano doesn't have the watch factor but Messi uff... You see him and you wonder how's he done that then
@@SuRu10116 exactly. Ronaldo will always be my favorite, but I have always said Messi is the GOAT. I hate how people wanna suck him off now only because of the WC. It’s a team sport, you think Messi, R9, or Pele could carry like Canada to a WC?
@@jp8410 agreed. These people are most probably gen z kids who see edits of Ronaldo or Messi and decide to choose one goat and hate on the other for no reason. Everyone with ball knowledge know in football there is Messi >=< Ronaldo then there is daylight then there are other players who played this beautiful game according to stats,trophies,awards and careers overall
Loved messi before and yeah skillfully and factually he is the goat , but now the feeling of supporting him is kinda faded away the same feeling which was there when he missed the penalty , idk why, maybe because his arc is complete now
And for the same reason I feel more for Ronaldo now , l mean I would love to support him in his redemption for the trophy now, yk it feels good
It feels like a good story !
So yes now I support ronaldo
And in the future maybe someone else , who knows ?
cringe
Big man you can go support umtiti
His second name wild.
ps3 is literally older than this kid
Imagine debating this in 2024
Messi obviously better even ronaldo fans know
If world cup makes him better then pele is miles ahead of him . If you want to be the greatest footballer u have to proof yourself in different leagues.
@@hasanalmohammadi5984 Stop it lol it's not just the world cup that makes messi better
Both pele and messi>>>@@hasanalmohammadi5984
@@hasanalmohammadi5984 messi is better player simple as that . He plays football better than ronaldo
@@Knight_clause I don't agree with u bro u can call messi a better dribble then Ronaldo after he left Manchester United but overall not better Cristiano can do everything in football aspect dribble, passing, finishing, assist, speed, strength, list goes on. U have too accept it if u don't then maybe u are living in delusional 👍
littler got ball knowledge
Bez is living the dream he got bowen on the podcast
Messi is better at the end of their career
Ronaldo fans know but they won't accept
They'll divide opinions anyway for the things they have done
Both are GOATs
Ez when ur career build on fame and power
@@ans3825 yeah it was easier for Ronaldo
Comparing messi and cris is like comparing Portugal with Argentina... And we know which country has created history how much
0:40 little what kids
I am trying my best to convince myself that I didn't heard that 💀
neeky (nerdy)
Yeash harry he still got timee ❤
This just enables the never ending debate(more like bitter bickering) between the fan bases of the Goats.
Messi >>>
Ksi with the minus ball knowledge 💀😭
He got his goat right but his reasoning was wrong
Messi's not the goat just because of the WC he won
@@SuRu10116yep. Ronaldo has 0 INTERNATIONAL PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT despite having most international goals.
That should give clarity about the importance of most of his goals
Jj really switched up
2:27 that’s one way to say you don’t know ball
Name another league Messi conquered im waiting 😂
Bet you would call Maldini the best defender of alltime
Messi dominated the best era of laliga
@Scremaful haha 😂😂😂 what your smoking on
Bro whats jj with his worldcup talking…we know messi is one of the goat but u cant say he is the goat because of a worldcup…giroud has a worldcup mate…and u gotta say no player has the ability to perform like ronaldo from the age 35+…not even messi…put some respect on his name..both of them are goats..respect them🐐
But Ronaldo doesn't
Let me explain this one..Messi was always in the goat convo with pele and maradona. We dont see cr7 usually in that convo. No, its not messi fans who created that debate. Messi was in that debate cuz of his abilities. But the thing is maradona and pele had a worldcup which was always used against messi to put him in the number 3 position behind the legends. People wanted messi to settle this. In the end he won a copa america and a world cup. Thats why people use the wc as an argument.
Ronaldo was never better than messi to be fair
What u expecting from an arsenal fan💀
Messi has never had a rival
a pen a game wins you a trophy
ask messi
Thought Messi was a penalty bottler, which one is it? 😂😂
you been under a rock or something? did you not watch the last WC
without penalties ronaldo wont have a carrer so stfu !
Ronaldo has my respect cause he worked super hard to reach Messi' level and competed with him for many years but as they get older you can see Messi is still as skillful as he was 10 years ago whilst Ronaldo has lost to age when it comes to stamina and dribbling to the point where now he is a poacher in the Saudi League (that he still hasn't even won a trophy for) while Messi already gave Inter Miami their first trophy are leading their conference in 1st place whilst being a contributing factor in both goals, assists, chances created, etc.
Messi the 🐐
But Ronaldo has my respect
Looks play a huge role in any kind of job , ronaldo is a great player but the reason hes more popular and still in this debate is bcoz hes good looking
All these messi stans always bring up the world cup
So now the world cup has lost its significance cus Messi won it?? Deluded fanbase
@@monikathakur4285what about u ucl 3 peat
@@gamingtechproductions4381what about it? Won't give Ronaldo the biggest trophy in world foothall 😂😂😂
Imagine having 0 Knockout goals in World Cups and being the "Goat"💀
@@henriquezc.3433 imagine having no wc Hattrick lmao
Just because Messi won the world cup doesn’t make him the goat… because that will make mbappe the goat because he won the world cup at such a young age and came to final again with a hattrick…
At the same time just because Ronaldo didn’t win world cup, he is not the Goat…. He is literally known as Mr UCL( the most difficult championship in the world) and the top goal scorer of all time…
Both are the greatest players that that has ever entered the football world.
Still debating on this is just cringe
Stiffnaldo is not Mr.UCL he doesn't even compare to Lewa let alone Benzema and Messi 😂😂😂
@@Nothing-lr3dt how many ucls does lewaandoski have?
@@aRonStoneX trophies don't matter when comparing individuals, football matters when comparing individuals, Ronaldo ain't the better CL footballer than Lewa, he is too stiff, has worse ball control, less intelligent player, worse shooter, worse passer and most importantly the more team-dependent player
Every Footballer would pick World cup over champions league.
@@aRonStoneX acting like certain trophies don't matter then you go for "how many UCL does Lewa have"🤡🤡. Ronaldo played for a stacked Madrid team during that period. What even more funny is Madrid won another UCL WITHOUT him. Meanwhile Barcelona without Messi💩💩. That's the difference you penaldo fans can't accept.
The argument about the world cup is so stupid. Messi is playing for Argentina
Ronaldo is playing for Portugal. I am portuguese and we do punch above our weigh but to use the fact that he won the world cup ( where he played shit in most games) with one of the best teams in the world as the deciding factor is an IQ test on its own
Some of what they're talking about and asking Luke 😂. Remember guys, the kid is only 17, you guys are all at least 10+ years older.
Ksi knows ball. Messi is so clear. This debate is just forced atp.
I could use so many arguments to explain why Messi is clear of Ronaldo. Better passer, dribbler, chances created, individual achievements,goal to game ratio, outside the box shooter, free kicks,and just literally start and finish the plays all the way from other side of the pitch...but the fact that there are way more professional footballers and coaches that choose Messi (and they are experts obviously) says enough
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That’s odd because half the stuff u stated favor Ronaldo: Ronaldo has better skills, more goals, better free kicks, outside the box shooter, etc. Messi played for Barcelona for 95% of his football career while Ronaldo kept his same level of talent in almost all the best European leagues he has played in. He’s also been in the game longer than Messi.
@winybiny I promise you you are incorrect and by the way I'm a madrid fan. Messi playing in Barca is not a reason to discredit him. Look up his stats against top Premier league teams I think he's got the best stats actually. Messi is much better at free kicks and outside the box throughout his career I can't believe you think otherwise to be honest. And better skills? He's been a good dribbler the first 5 years but after that he's actually been an average dribbler I promise you everyone knows this lol. And like I said, don't you trust experts opinions? Think, think why most of them which are unbiased have chosen Messi. You need to accept that they know more than you. You simply can't say "oh yeah it's fixed they're all biased or don't know what they're talking about"...they're experts of the game!
@@ThillyThauthageth I didn’t discredit Messi, I just gave the reasons why the argument used is flawed and why Ronaldo is better. The “experts” u are just normal ppl who also have an opinion. The reason the voice of those who say Messi is better seems much louder is because of the recent World Cup result, not because of Messi’s individual accomplishments compared to Ronaldo’s. If u believe Messi is better than fine, we agree to disagree.
@winybiny the arguments are not flawed actually what I said is correct however I have realised that the best way to prove that Messi is better isn't just by comparing stats which by the way yes Ronaldo wins in some but actually individually Messi has a lot more and there's nothing better to prove this than balon dor which only the last 2 were controversial. Best argument I think is that experts which I insist are professional footballers and coaches from around the world who know football more than fans (hopefully we can agree on this?) do mostly agree that Messi is better. If you take fanbase aside, every poll you see online, every ranking every aggregated opinion agrees that Messi is better and sorry but that's something that Ronaldo fans will have to accept. You can be a fan and still accept that Messi overall is a better footballer, and no this isn't Jordan vs LeBron debate there really is that much of a difference
Very close imo and huge respect to both of em but I reckon just Messi
I wonder how this aged now that messi ripped if prime😂
It’s ironic that jj is the only one that has knowledge about football
Beacuse he matches your opnion ? Clown take by a clown 🤡🫵🏻
Alisha Leihmann because I’d do rude rude bits to myself.
0:39 yo wtf 💀💀
jj just follows pr
when ronaldo came back to united and was scoring goals most premier league fans said ronaldo is the goat (including jj)
as soon as he leaves and messi wins the wc they all say messi is the goat
This shows how bad their football knowledge is tbh
messi is the goat, he got it right in the end at least, the other clowns like Fatzinga still say ronaldo is better
At the moment Messi is leading the goat debate and it will stay that way probably at the end of their careers
But agreed the reason JJ has for Messi being the goat shows his ball knowledge is bad
Messi was always considered the better of the two, JJ is just finally accepting it
@@Kugann I'm not saying who the goat is but some of these guys keep changing everytime and it shows they dont understand their technical ability
@@lilblitz7406 messi is goat.
Siuuuuuu
Thinking that the only reason Messi is better than Ronaldo is the world Cup is just as dumb as think Ronaldo is better than Messi. Leo is so much better than Ronaldo with or without the stats and it's not even close.
Messi for sure no debate , media created this to make money , Ronaldo is not even close to Messi , great striker for sure but don’t compare to the Goat Messi
what is delusion - ronaldo fans
What is delusion - Sidemenstans and yesman
When you see that bullshit video online "why do teenagers today look really young" show them luke 😂😂
World at War... my favourite COD
A debate?
Let’s start when Messi and Ronaldo left Spain…
Ronaldo in Juventus incredible performance and career!
Messi in PSG was like Ronaldo in Saudi know !
Ronaldo in United not to much but he was still better than Messi because of the numbers and goals!
Ronaldo in al Nassr was like Messi in PSG - you heard of good game performance and second game you didn’t hear anything!
Do not come with Argentina winning World Cup because Messi scored like 5 penalties and 1 or 2 clear goals. He was part of it with his squad yes but that didn’t prove that he has carried Argentina in the finals to be real! But still Respekt for Messi wining… when we see overall, if you put Ronaldo everywhere in premier league or Seria A league… he is gonna put numbers and incredible games! Messi didn’t prove in France or America know… Messi was just in Spain a goat but a best best player can play everywhere or not ?
Sorry for my bad English, it isn’t my first language
What color is your WC? 😂😂😂
Messi won everything and he has many MOTMs and goals+assists than any player. Ronaldo is not even a playmaker.
2:58 okay ksi well look messi in the World Cup took basically majority of his goals from penalty let’s not stick in there a “penaldo”
How many non-penalty goals did Ronaldo score at the wc?
@@arjungiridhar638 that doesn’t matter cuz you need to remember who was benched and who was performing the most during the World Cup. Argentina is milking the heck out of messi while the Portugal players till today are just destroying Ronaldo despite his good form
Not sure if you know this little rule in football, if you get fouled inside the penalty area, guess what happens? It’s a penalty 😮😮😮 I know your mind is blown
@@Ar17778 did you also know tap ins are also basic ways of scoring and messi did that and people praised him for it and got a ballon D’or for it
@@howtopost3450 sorry how many goals did ronaldo score
it’s ended a long time ago cr7 fans just can’t accept it
People with brains and with the ability to accept facts know damn well Messi is better by everyone metric
The world cup argument is dumb as fuck. Argentina has always had a stacked roster of world class players. It was only a matter of time they won. Portugal tho??? Only Ronaldo, he can’t win WC by himself
argentina always had a stacked roster? did you watch 2014 2018 squads
with the squads Ronaldo had 2006 2018 2022 why didnt he win?
@michu020398 holy fuck, educate yourself before talking, kid
@@Scremaful because he has terrible teammates ? 🤣 Ronaldo is the first world class player from Portugal since Figo.
@@michu020398so now world cup has no credibility😂😂😂
messi the goat
Easily
If i am swapping bodiess forever then no i just won't body swap
No way that's a 17 year old kid sitting there
Ronaldo clear over any athlete
Athlete yes. But footballer Messi>>>
CR7 is reaching 1,000 Goals and Pessi will Retire already siuuuuuu 😉😌☝🏼😎🔥
Pendulum fans are cryinggg...😂😂😂
these names you give are beyond cringe and its 100% little kids saying this cause no adult is saying pessi or penaldo
Messi is clear with zero stats
He will reach 1000 goals and retire at 47 at this rate, mans determined to keep his goal record its all he’s got left 😭😭
@@Ar17778exactly the only reason Ronaldo is playing is because he doesn’t want Messi to break his goal scoring record 😂