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In other words: If you can turn off the lights whenever wanting to enjoy a high contrast experience, get QD-OLED. If you want or need to do so in lit conditions, get VA mini-LED or WOLED.
@NexGenTek most people talking about the magenta tint havnt even seen a qd oled. I have my room completely lit at times and it's never been a problem. Qd-oled is king period
Okay, I got an MSI MPG321URX the other day and I've been using it with the lights on all the time. This thing is so damn bright it's eye seering, even in sdr. I have no idea why people are saying the brightness is disappointing because I feel like it's brighter than my previous VA panel which I cranked the brightness on. Sure, when I'm playing a dark atmospheric game like Black Mesa, which I've been replaying, I turn the lights off and it looks better. When I'm browsing the internet or using a desktop app, I dont even notice the lights directly overhead and behind me effecting the image. I think anyone buying these new QD OLEDs will be more than satisfied with using it with the lights on or off if the content is bright. You're gonna be fine.
It’s not the coating, it’s inherent attribute for QD Oleg as light is reflected off the pass through blue sub pixel, that’s why S95D has matte coating to prevent ambient light reflecting off the blue sub pixel lifting up the blacks to magenta
I have the same monitor, also recently had the AW3423DWF and zero issues with light raising the black levels. People are really blowing this issue out of proportion. If you have bright lights, white lights, then yes. If you use warmer/yellower lights, or lights that you can control the brightness of, then you'll have little or no issues at all. Another reviewer showed this and said you really need strong lights or lights close to the screen to raise the black levels. If you're super sensitive to things like this then probably is best to stay away but the black level on my AW3225QF is as it should be... and I have a warm light right above/behind me that illuminates the screen...
There is always a section of the internet complaining about something and it can turn you away from purchases. I wouldn't buy the OG Samsung Odyseey G7 (1440p 240hz VA) for years because of reddit, only to finally get it and realise it was all a bunch of nonsense. My panel definitely as all the issues that were moaned about because I can reproduce them by going to the test pages that are known to bring them out, but otherwise I am yet to encounting a single scanline or any VRR flicker in actual real use. I do get VRR flicker on my LG C1 but only in menus and loading screens so I don't care. I will keep in mind this purple black issue when getting a QD-Oled but I'm expecting to find it was nothing.
This is the reason I won’t go QD-oled. Defeats the whole point of having an oled. I don’t live in a cave, I have a gf that works/plays in the same room I do. I can’t always have my lights off. I’d rather stick with drawbacks of matte screen
I hear you and it is definitely a problem they should try to solve, but the people they market a lot of these for are gamers who usually play in dark or dim lit rooms. Obviously, there are cases where, like yourself, that isn't viable, but personally, I am fine with having the lights off if I am gaming/watching something on the oled.
Daytime HDR Impact? For sure you not know what HDR is. HDR is made for dark room performance. Most people (like you) probably never see true HDR because of completely wrong settings as well. It is about dynamic range (most HDR scenes are dark with some small Highlights if needed). Even with Gaming most scenes are not very bright in full field aspect. And if you watching HDR on daytime it is in general a reduced performance, because you are not able to see all these near black details.
@@Da-iken yeah, the real impact of HDR is from the deep contrast and blacks it produces. I would 1000X prefer a max brightness of 400 nits, but perfect black performance than the 1000+ nits of LCD with bad blacks and haloing. It's an absolute no brainer.
Informative video...looking to replace my current VA Acer Predator monitor. And, I'm in a fairly bright room with windows behind my screen so room stays very bright all day.
I returned my Alienware QD-OLED for two reasons: 1. The super distracting pixel shift that you can’t turn off or at least increase the intervals 2. Fricken purple blacks. I use an LG C1 as my TV, and blacks are black even when the room has light in it so it was genuinely shocking seeing such horrible contrast on my new OLED monitor with even a bit of light in the room.
I have the same monitor and after I saw pixel shift on a youtube video it had me worried. I've worked for hours in word docs doing Uni work and I haven't noticed it once. I think if you're looking for it or expecting it then you'll see it. Just my experience. Also, zero issue with brightness levels in my case. It's only if you have super bright lights, I truly think this is blown out of proportion.
The matte Samsung G80SD doesn't suffer as much from purple blacks. People can moan about matte coatings all they want, but they can have a positive effect on picture quality, at least with QD-OLED displays.
@@audiojunkie5435hi mate I’m thinking to get AW3423DWF for mainly uni work and to watch movies I don’t do gaming but I do use dark mode for the most apps and I’ve heard the text is blurry and fringing is that been an issue for u?
I love how other youtubers made the LG vs ASUS comparison, and pointed this issue out as a "matte vs glossy" argument. Thanks for actually showing the reality.
@@michaelspadaro well glossy IS better than matte on all points unless you sit in direct sunlight. There is a reason why photos got printed on glossy paper but I'll stop saying it, keep looking at your boring lifeless matte screens. Good luck🤞🏻
@@veYda25 My point was in this video he is now bashing the glossy QD Oleds due to the ambient light handling, he is a hypocrite. Glossy IS better, which is why I have one. Reading comprehension isn't your thing.
No one (important) is talking about this seriously! Thank you!!! It's such a wild issue for this kind of tech, I don't understand how this hasn't been made a bigger deal.
I really don't get why LG put a glossy coating on its G4 OLED-TVs, but when it comes to their WOLED-tech for monitors, they recommend to use matte coating... and Samsung does it also vice versa??? wtf? the S95D has for the first time ever a matte coating. What's going on here?
the magenta-tinted blacks in a lit room have nothing to do with the coating - it's the lack of a polarizer. Also I don't care what numbers say, QD-OLED looked far better to me than W-OLED when I had both side by side. I don't know what else to say rather than I much preferred the QD-OLED image regardless of room lighting conditions. And I don't own a QD-OLED monitor - I only tried the Alienware and returned it due to eye strain.
@@x1mmx aw2725df . Best looking monitor I've ever seen. I returned because of VRR flicker, lack of real hdmi 2.1, and most importantly, eye strain. Still, I'm upset because I wanted to keep it
@@TimOD-hm9eu exactly which I ordered. Looking so forward to it. Expected to arrive here at 17th may. I come from 60hz, 14ms response, 34 ms input lag to THIS :D
Thanks for this vid! Could we see a complete black level comparison graph with all the monitors lights on and lights off? I'm curious as to how a VA mini-LED compares with lights on. According to TFT central's black level study, even basic VA is blacker than QD-OLED in all but the darkest of conditions, but they didn't test mini-LEDs.
I have 2 neo G8s next to my Alienware 3235qf and it looks super dim but if I turn them off and have all my lights off it looks okay. The brightness ruined me from the neo g8
@@TecraX2 I have not heard the fan whatsoever. I've had the screen for over a week already. I used the screen for work, gaming and productivity and I have not heard it 😅
This is true, as someone who enjoys media or gaming with the lights on and haven't invented any curtains or blinds to cover ambient light, I specifically ask theaters to turn on the lights before the movie begins so that I feel right at home.
Yeah that must be a bummer. They don't know the trick is that you don't actually need to invent curtains or blinds, they already were invented. They just need to buy some!
Are monitors less fleshed out than TVs? Because I got a QD-OLED TV and while the purple shimmer is definitely noticable when lights on its not even close to what I see in those kind of videos. And my sceiling lights are pretty cold and bright
Only annoying thing about owning the AW3423DW for 2 years was having to use the blinds cause I like having sun in the room. But for desktop use or productivity, even for casual gaming I don’t bother controlling the light, cause it has no functional benefit.
I am watching this video on a QD-OLED Display and am literally shining spotlights on the screen. The display still looks absolutely awesome compared to my IPS-LCD. So nice stats and numbers but you are wrong. Case closed.
Tell me that I'm right without saying that I'm right lol. I present to you a third glossy challenger that you might not have thought about since it's beyond the scope of this channel: AMOLED glossy panels found in laptops. These panels are not QD-OLED, but I have a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro that comes with a 14" AMOLED screen and while it does not exhibit the same sort of grey lift since it doesn't lack a polarizing layer*, I do find it has a lot of trouble in ambient conditions with reflections still. I think this is were most of my caution with glossy panels stems from, and it goes to show that all glossy coatings are not created equal. I do think matte does slot in to this discussion a little bit, in that it deals with the worst jumpscare of all: seeing your own reflection when the display shows a darks scene. Again this really depends on your ambient lighting conditions, as I'm typing this on my LG TV I don't see my reflection in the youtube grey -ish background at all. But there have been times where the display was closer and perpendicular to my windows and this did become annoying even though I'm very cute. All in all, the glossy coating is very impressive, even on my old ass LG E6 and ideal for monitors. This applies more to TVs where the huge screen gathers a lot of ambient light, and only to daytime viewing. The only problem in this analysis is that yeah the glossy LG tv coating is amazing but the smallest you can get it is in 42". LG's fault to be sure, and if you and others keep making a lot of noise about this I suspect we will see more glossy in the future, but also the reality at this current stage. So then the discussion does become matte on WOLED vs glossy qd-OLED, and that is a very different perspective, since then the QD-OLED is only the better pick in controlled conditions (and then becomes the far superior choice due to color volume). Dough has already shoved back the release date of their 32" it seems if you look on Reddit, so they are too unreliable to be counted in. If you can find the gorilla glass model in retail though by all means, but I don't know how they handle reflections compared to LGs glossy panel in the real world just that the data seems worse, but might not be all bad because they use that on phones. *This ties back in to previous discussions about the downsides of QD-OLED where the fluorescent blue OLEDs are nearly not efficient enough and need to be stacked, as removing the polarizing layer seems to improve display brightness by about 20% (since newer phone AMOLEDs have since removed the polarizer and that is the reported benefit). I think Samsung has been deceitful to us about the benefits of QD-OLED in terms of brightness because most of their gain really does seem to come from that 20% of removing the polarizer, and was relying on phosphorescent OLEDs for the tech to really mature, but that doesn't seem to really play out in the way they wish it did.
As someone whose last two monitor purchases have been QD OLED, I agree with this video. Do NOT get QD-Oled IF you can't control the light in your viewing room, or can't put the lights you do have BEHIND the screen's periphery. It'd be a waste at that point. You can light up a room with plenty of light with QD OLED and it looks great IF they're not in front of the screen.
I find that even with some ambient light on my DWF the black image is still better because of the uniformity of the deep purple. Not having the splotchy look of the LCDs backlight makes a big difference. Then again, I turn the lights off and it looks deep black.
Most of the people’s comment here really don’t understand that it’s not a simply turn on and off light. It’s all about living habit. Not everyone is vampire gamers and completely no room light is killing your eyes. and you spend so much money on a product and still need adapt complete change in environment to reach it full potential? Hell no.
@@DrakonR I mean, if you are capable to be a vampire gaming life style. Of course good for them. Just that different peoples built differently, I like darker room but can’t completely off the lights and only RGB lights. Just that give me a tons of eye strains.
I don’t think he ever mentioned that the coating was the main issue with lighting. He said that QD-OLED displays struggle with contrast ratios in well-lit rooms. When he talks about matte coatings, it’s to point out that they diffuse light in both directions, which can lead to less contrast and sharpness compared to glossy finishes. Matte coatings are designed to minimize glare, but they also scatter reflected light, resulting in less vivid colors and a decrease in the perceived depth of images. This is especially noticeable in bright environments where maintaining high contrast ratios is essential for the best viewing experience.
Dude, I have no problems with you, rly. But I just bought the PG32UCDM and let me tell you its a freakin monsteeeeer ! I have light of the day coming from the back and I see less problems than with my PG35VQ, with matte cotting. The screen is just great and the rest is being excessively fussy. Not sure of the word but I’m sure you get it. Love you. Keep up the good work 😊
Since most of the adults have life and shit to do during day, we play at night like 90% of gaming sessions. So no problem what so ever. And those colors are like x15 times better than woled.
OK, that's a strong point for my decision to keep the Odyssey Neo G7 or get the AW3225QF. I'm really impressed by the HDR perfomance of the Neo G7 even in daytime with a huge window beside the desktop.
I have no problem on this QD OLED monitor because I can control my lighting on my room like dimming my lights on the right spot if I like to turn my lights on 😅
If I need to have hdr in a brighter room Im using mini led. Im using the QD OLED's in a dark room. The s95c takes care of most lighting situations. Listen yall colours are pretty, depends on your use case. After using a reference monitor for editing everything else is just for fun.
You just make a clickbait video to say absolutely nothing more than "this display technology suffers on light environments" thing that ABSOLUTELY all reviewers say. For me and many, qd oled is the absolute best display technology out there.
Load of horse$hit..my lights are on and it looks waaay better than qn90b mini led.. n this guy is saying edge lit wud have more contrast than this 😂.. even the s95d matte is pretty good as well..
Now, I will know why I’m going to use only lights from: the display, the ones from from the case (bright enough, in the Bequiet 500X), and maybe from the keyboard and mouse… everything else will be shut, especially during/with daylight…
Why is no one also talking about how impossible it is to clean a qd-oled? Do people seriously expect that they won't accidently spit or sneeze on their screen in the next 3-5 years?
Seriously i dont see this. i was using the 321urx during the day with lights off and window behind the monitor. It looked just as pitch black as the LG C1 right next to it.
Guys, turning off the light or dimmer the light might make your gaming experience nicer but it will hurt your eyes in long run. Our eyes pupil enlarger to receive more light in darker surrounding even if your display is bright.
It's not a big issue. I use it with the windows open, I just don't put a light or a window behind it and there is nothing negative to notice. I have the Alienware and it's honestly amazing. I am not even that much of a glossy fan. Just a good monitor, period.
@@Rob-Davidson that would prob be a better idea. Do you think 5 feet distance is sufficient? Asked someone else’s and that’s what he recommend as well.
Even G4 83" will have raised blacks in bright room. Always makes me laugh people saying the new MiniLED will be destroy the likes of say OLED , even a G4. Then rave about bright room viewing , not knowing it suppresses contrast . Saw Vincent on HDTVtest raving about some 168" 10000Nit monster , great display to be sure . But you could never watch it in any normal room in the dark . that TV would light up the whole room , far more than the room lights in a bright scene . That TV was showing some bright image , big deal , lets see it remap a 1000 NIt mastered movie in a challenging scene , have my doubts how well it would do with dynamic tone mapping. Think the G4 is a good buy , can do a nice dynamic tonemap , A 4000NIT movie would probably be fine enough . Bit annoyed LG only have one seller in NZ for G4, 30% more expensive than Australia . So need to wait 1 year just to get an 83 for normal price if I don't buy something else , doesn't endear me to LG
this literally doesnt matter. I play in a pitch black room all the time, and im sure everyone else who games does. If you play with your lights on there;s something wrong with you.
@@thedisplayguy Thx for the quick response (and great choice btw). If I may add a follow up question: I am thinking of getting the Odyssey OLED G6 G60SD, once it's available. Would be curious about your thoughts of that one, especially considering their advertised 'low haze' finish. I totally agree on your arguments regarding glossy finish being superior over matte, but in my environment I don't have much control about light conditions. Would really appreciate your thoughts.
@@thedisplayguy You pre-order the variant with the USB-C & DP2.1 ports? Or the newer, less future-proofed but cheaper variant? That current problem with the 240hz to 480hz flick-switch feature not yet being supported is what is holding me back for now.
@@thedisplayguy interesting, considering it will have UHBR20. Do you have any news regarding MSI MEG 321 URX & ROG PG32UCDP, will those 2 have UHBR20?
If I get the QD-OLED AW2725DF and use it in a "Slightly" bright room" (I have blinds that are always down, but there's still some light comming in) will It be an issue for this monitor? Right now im using PG27AQDM, a WOLED monitor.
@@TecraX2 Yeah actually i really want a glossy screen with that rich vibrant colors that quantom dot technology gives you. But im just a little concerned if it'll look bad in a slightly bright room.
I have an LG C1 OLED TV and after countless comparisons, it's best you go with a LG C4 42 inch oled. That thing is perfect, bigger size, has G-sync and perfect oled blacks and colors. This is in comparison to alienware, msi and asus oled monitors. They seems to have compromised on certain things to get the qd oled up and running
HDR v1 standard: >1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level (min contrast 20k ) OR >540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level (min contrast 1,080,000) EDIT: VESA HDR has min black levels: 0.4 in DisplayHDR 400; 0.1 for DisplayHDR500/600 then 0.05 0.02; DisplayHDR *** True Black is 0.0005 ;
So if I want to enjoy the media/game, just turn off the lights. I would do that anyways because oled has low brightness for HDR. HDR is only good on oled in a drak room.
Yeah, monitors are usually in rooms with a decent amount of light so the qd oled monitors are not for me. My qd oled tv is in my man cave while I have a mini led monitor dual setup with a woled monitor. Best of all worlds-shame no display has it all though.
I live in a modern high rise with glass walls (windows) and that’s why QD OLED is not an option for a consumer like me, and I like to have my curtains open cause the view is insane
is not problem glossy, it s problem qd oled, lg woled no problem, i'm lg c1, next c2 not problem because woled, just wait asus model 480hz display lg woled, normally august/september
Yeh, most of them review these monitors in caves and a lot of people are being misled because of this. Look at this one during day light next to a window, it's just bad lol. ruclips.net/video/gRIs3t_S0Uw/видео.html
I can’t wait until mini/micro led is good enough to replace oled monitors. Then we will have high brightness, high contrast and no burn in. The true end game.
Can’t wait for a decent crop of miniLED monitors to save us from buying a monitor that is gonna have burn-in in less than 5 years. And then eventually microLED to finally put the nail in the coffin of OLED
You’re comparing a TV designed for living room settings (typically, brighter than an office with large windows, and higher peak brightness) versus monitors. Come on.
Why are you conflating QD OLED vs WOLED as glossy vs matte? I mean, sure there is CURRENTLY a lot of overlap on that Venn Diagram but I have an LG OLED tv that is NOT a QD but its glossy. Plus even if there arent any QD Oleds that are matte right now, there very well could be in the future so why are you doing this. Just say glossy vs matte. You're just confusing ppl and making generalizations which are not always true
I personally wouldn't bother with current OLEDs at all and just wait for NanoLED (EL-QD) in a year or two honestly. Its once again just a pick your poison situation like with LCD panels, except way worse.
Saying it doesn't look his with the lights on is like saying that an oled tv won't look good in your living room and that just not true, o have both OLED TV and Alianware 4k 240 monitor and it looks good with the lights on and looks even better for hdr brightness with lights off.... this is a great monitor so don't listen to this advice
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Turn off the lights, end of video
In other words:
If you can turn off the lights whenever wanting to enjoy a high contrast experience, get QD-OLED.
If you want or need to do so in lit conditions, get VA mini-LED or WOLED.
@@S3lvahStill get a QD i have lights all in my room and as long as it’s not hitting the screen you can’t tell
I have never once gamed with the lights on. Having the lights on breaks immersion, The whole point of gaming..
@NexGenTek most people talking about the magenta tint havnt even seen a qd oled. I have my room completely lit at times and it's never been a problem. Qd-oled is king period
yeah ppl r so stuped theyre think they can just bring there oled outside and play it in the sun lmao, commen sense down the drain 📉📉
Okay, I got an MSI MPG321URX the other day and I've been using it with the lights on all the time. This thing is so damn bright it's eye seering, even in sdr. I have no idea why people are saying the brightness is disappointing because I feel like it's brighter than my previous VA panel which I cranked the brightness on. Sure, when I'm playing a dark atmospheric game like Black Mesa, which I've been replaying, I turn the lights off and it looks better. When I'm browsing the internet or using a desktop app, I dont even notice the lights directly overhead and behind me effecting the image. I think anyone buying these new QD OLEDs will be more than satisfied with using it with the lights on or off if the content is bright. You're gonna be fine.
It’s not the coating, it’s inherent attribute for QD Oleg as light is reflected off the pass through blue sub pixel, that’s why S95D has matte coating to prevent ambient light reflecting off the blue sub pixel lifting up the blacks to magenta
That coating sucks, not a fan of the S95D or S90D.
I have the S95D and in the presence of ambient light, it lifts blacks like there is no tomorrow.
Instead, light hitting the matte coating lifts the blacks infinitely more. Very effective solution.
Jesus this guys chops and changes his mind more than the weather.
You have to actually watch the videos. 😂
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Nah, all displays have issues. Today he decided to talk about QD OLED
@@thedisplayguy u are just making videos just because you needs views and income....
The titles and presentation style are a bit clickbaity but tbf the content is actually fairly consistent.
in my case totaly fine! i have control light room and is always pure black :)
I have the same monitor, also recently had the AW3423DWF and zero issues with light raising the black levels. People are really blowing this issue out of proportion. If you have bright lights, white lights, then yes. If you use warmer/yellower lights, or lights that you can control the brightness of, then you'll have little or no issues at all. Another reviewer showed this and said you really need strong lights or lights close to the screen to raise the black levels. If you're super sensitive to things like this then probably is best to stay away but the black level on my AW3225QF is as it should be... and I have a warm light right above/behind me that illuminates the screen...
There is always a section of the internet complaining about something and it can turn you away from purchases. I wouldn't buy the OG Samsung Odyseey G7 (1440p 240hz VA) for years because of reddit, only to finally get it and realise it was all a bunch of nonsense. My panel definitely as all the issues that were moaned about because I can reproduce them by going to the test pages that are known to bring them out, but otherwise I am yet to encounting a single scanline or any VRR flicker in actual real use. I do get VRR flicker on my LG C1 but only in menus and loading screens so I don't care. I will keep in mind this purple black issue when getting a QD-Oled but I'm expecting to find it was nothing.
We need samsung to start using the new gorilla glass anti-reflective layer like they did on the S24 Ultra.
True that s24 ultra display is amazing even against the sunlight it looks amazing
This is the reason I won’t go QD-oled. Defeats the whole point of having an oled. I don’t live in a cave, I have a gf that works/plays in the same room I do. I can’t always have my lights off.
I’d rather stick with drawbacks of matte screen
What monitor you have?
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@@youngphil8766 rn I use some old 1440p@165hz ASUS, I recently sold an AQDM bcs I plan to get 32gs95ue by lg
I hear you and it is definitely a problem they should try to solve, but the people they market a lot of these for are gamers who usually play in dark or dim lit rooms. Obviously, there are cases where, like yourself, that isn't viable, but personally, I am fine with having the lights off if I am gaming/watching something on the oled.
Alienware AW3423DW here. I find this to be true about this monitor, lights need to be off, even the rgb lights from my keyboard effects image quality.
To be honest none of those OLED monitors are anyway near bright enough for daytime HDR impact anyway
Yep, the TV models are allowed to shine because they don't expect anyone to actually use them as a monitor
Agreed. The current crop of OLED monitors are still underwhelming compared to tvs.
Daytime HDR Impact? For sure you not know what HDR is. HDR is made for dark room performance. Most people (like you) probably never see true HDR because of completely wrong settings as well. It is about dynamic range (most HDR scenes are dark with some small Highlights if needed). Even with Gaming most scenes are not very bright in full field aspect. And if you watching HDR on daytime it is in general a reduced performance, because you are not able to see all these near black details.
@MrBob2k99 Thank you 👍🏿 But for the love of God nobody wants to believe this 🤦🏿🤷🏿
@@Da-iken yeah, the real impact of HDR is from the deep contrast and blacks it produces. I would 1000X prefer a max brightness of 400 nits, but perfect black performance than the 1000+ nits of LCD with bad blacks and haloing. It's an absolute no brainer.
Informative video...looking to replace my current VA Acer Predator monitor. And, I'm in a fairly bright room with windows behind my screen so room stays very bright all day.
I returned my Alienware QD-OLED for two reasons:
1. The super distracting pixel shift that you can’t turn off or at least increase the intervals
2. Fricken purple blacks. I use an LG C1 as my TV, and blacks are black even when the room has light in it so it was genuinely shocking seeing such horrible contrast on my new OLED monitor with even a bit of light in the room.
I have the same monitor and after I saw pixel shift on a youtube video it had me worried. I've worked for hours in word docs doing Uni work and I haven't noticed it once. I think if you're looking for it or expecting it then you'll see it. Just my experience. Also, zero issue with brightness levels in my case. It's only if you have super bright lights, I truly think this is blown out of proportion.
Which one you recommend
The matte Samsung G80SD doesn't suffer as much from purple blacks. People can moan about matte coatings all they want, but they can have a positive effect on picture quality, at least with QD-OLED displays.
Cry more.. I have none of these problems with my QD Oled at all.
@@audiojunkie5435hi mate I’m thinking to get AW3423DWF for mainly uni work and to watch movies I don’t do gaming but I do use dark mode for the most apps and I’ve heard the text is blurry and fringing is that been an issue for u?
I love how other youtubers made the LG vs ASUS comparison, and pointed this issue out as a "matte vs glossy" argument. Thanks for actually showing the reality.
This is the guy who made the biggest deal about glossy being better than matte, so when was he telling the truth?
@@michaelspadaro well glossy IS better than matte on all points unless you sit in direct sunlight. There is a reason why photos got printed on glossy paper but I'll stop saying it, keep looking at your boring lifeless matte screens. Good luck🤞🏻
@@veYda25 My point was in this video he is now bashing the glossy QD Oleds due to the ambient light handling, he is a hypocrite. Glossy IS better, which is why I have one. Reading comprehension isn't your thing.
No one (important) is talking about this seriously! Thank you!!! It's such a wild issue for this kind of tech, I don't understand how this hasn't been made a bigger deal.
Way to compliment and insult him at the same time. 🤣
would you say its better to wait for the Asus PG32UCDM WOLED model?
a good metric to inlcude would be light source behind the monitor.
i see a lot of people having a weak light source from some led on the wall.
I really don't get why LG put a glossy coating on its G4 OLED-TVs, but when it comes to their WOLED-tech for monitors, they recommend to use matte coating... and Samsung does it also vice versa??? wtf? the S95D has for the first time ever a matte coating. What's going on here?
the magenta-tinted blacks in a lit room have nothing to do with the coating - it's the lack of a polarizer. Also I don't care what numbers say, QD-OLED looked far better to me than W-OLED when I had both side by side. I don't know what else to say rather than I much preferred the QD-OLED image regardless of room lighting conditions.
And I don't own a QD-OLED monitor - I only tried the Alienware and returned it due to eye strain.
Which model?
@@x1mmx aw2725df . Best looking monitor I've ever seen. I returned because of VRR flicker, lack of real hdmi 2.1, and most importantly, eye strain. Still, I'm upset because I wanted to keep it
@@rickystafford7433 Do you have any idea what would have caused the eye strain?
@@ParlasWOW I really have no idea. I just get this burning/dry sensation as soon as I start using it. I have no problem with any other OLED or miniLED
@@rickystafford7433 try another of the same monitor. I have heard its a unique problem that only some of those monitors have, not all
One point to consider. Curved qd-oled help keep light from the sides off the screen!
So what oled monitor should i buy? I don't want a tv or mini led
a QD OLED
If you want the best experience: a qd oled with DisplayPort 2.1. currently only the gigabyte one
@@TimOD-hm9eu exactly which I ordered. Looking so forward to it. Expected to arrive here at 17th may. I come from 60hz, 14ms response, 34 ms input lag to THIS :D
New samsung oled comes with matte anti glare finish QD.... what is the difference we will see..
Thanks for this vid! Could we see a complete black level comparison graph with all the monitors lights on and lights off?
I'm curious as to how a VA mini-LED compares with lights on. According to TFT central's black level study, even basic VA is blacker than QD-OLED in all but the darkest of conditions, but they didn't test mini-LEDs.
Lower than one single nit sounds absurd to consider that a deal breaker
Clickbait title is clickbait
What about having other monitors next to it illuminated? Are they bright enough to cause issues as well?
I have 2 neo G8s next to my Alienware 3235qf and it looks super dim but if I turn them off and have all my lights off it looks okay. The brightness ruined me from the neo g8
I bought the lg 32gs95ue and im loving it!! the matte screen does not bother me what so ever. Probably best since my setup is next to a window.
What about the fan noise? Love the design of it, but it having a fan is a bit of a deal-breaker....
@@TecraX2 I have not heard the fan whatsoever. I've had the screen for over a week already. I used the screen for work, gaming and productivity and I have not heard it 😅
This is true, as someone who enjoys media or gaming with the lights on and haven't invented any curtains or blinds to cover ambient light, I specifically ask theaters to turn on the lights before the movie begins so that I feel right at home.
Yeah that must be a bummer. They don't know the trick is that you don't actually need to invent curtains or blinds, they already were invented. They just need to buy some!
Are monitors less fleshed out than TVs? Because I got a QD-OLED TV and while the purple shimmer is definitely noticable when lights on its not even close to what I see in those kind of videos. And my sceiling lights are pretty cold and bright
I have flood lights recessed into the ceiling, and it makes no difference if I have them on or off.
If you dont live in your moms basement can you even call yourself a gamer ?
Only annoying thing about owning the AW3423DW for 2 years was having to use the blinds cause I like having sun in the room. But for desktop use or productivity, even for casual gaming I don’t bother controlling the light, cause it has no functional benefit.
I am watching this video on a QD-OLED Display and am literally shining spotlights on the screen. The display still looks absolutely awesome compared to my IPS-LCD.
So nice stats and numbers but you are wrong.
Case closed.
I think WOLED ist better than QD-OLED.
What is best for a bright room? How did mini LED do in that scenario?
Just close your eyes and imagine the perfect dispay, that's the only solution.
Tell me that I'm right without saying that I'm right lol. I present to you a third glossy challenger that you might not have thought about since it's beyond the scope of this channel: AMOLED glossy panels found in laptops. These panels are not QD-OLED, but I have a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro that comes with a 14" AMOLED screen and while it does not exhibit the same sort of grey lift since it doesn't lack a polarizing layer*, I do find it has a lot of trouble in ambient conditions with reflections still. I think this is were most of my caution with glossy panels stems from, and it goes to show that all glossy coatings are not created equal.
I do think matte does slot in to this discussion a little bit, in that it deals with the worst jumpscare of all: seeing your own reflection when the display shows a darks scene. Again this really depends on your ambient lighting conditions, as I'm typing this on my LG TV I don't see my reflection in the youtube grey -ish background at all. But there have been times where the display was closer and perpendicular to my windows and this did become annoying even though I'm very cute. All in all, the glossy coating is very impressive, even on my old ass LG E6 and ideal for monitors. This applies more to TVs where the huge screen gathers a lot of ambient light, and only to daytime viewing.
The only problem in this analysis is that yeah the glossy LG tv coating is amazing but the smallest you can get it is in 42". LG's fault to be sure, and if you and others keep making a lot of noise about this I suspect we will see more glossy in the future, but also the reality at this current stage. So then the discussion does become matte on WOLED vs glossy qd-OLED, and that is a very different perspective, since then the QD-OLED is only the better pick in controlled conditions (and then becomes the far superior choice due to color volume).
Dough has already shoved back the release date of their 32" it seems if you look on Reddit, so they are too unreliable to be counted in. If you can find the gorilla glass model in retail though by all means, but I don't know how they handle reflections compared to LGs glossy panel in the real world just that the data seems worse, but might not be all bad because they use that on phones.
*This ties back in to previous discussions about the downsides of QD-OLED where the fluorescent blue OLEDs are nearly not efficient enough and need to be stacked, as removing the polarizing layer seems to improve display brightness by about 20% (since newer phone AMOLEDs have since removed the polarizer and that is the reported benefit). I think Samsung has been deceitful to us about the benefits of QD-OLED in terms of brightness because most of their gain really does seem to come from that 20% of removing the polarizer, and was relying on phosphorescent OLEDs for the tech to really mature, but that doesn't seem to really play out in the way they wish it did.
As someone whose last two monitor purchases have been QD OLED, I agree with this video.
Do NOT get QD-Oled IF you can't control the light in your viewing room, or can't put the lights you do have BEHIND the screen's periphery.
It'd be a waste at that point.
You can light up a room with plenty of light with QD OLED and it looks great IF they're not in front of the screen.
I bought a aw3423dwf i love it. Best monitor ive ever owned. You win some you lose some. Cant have them all
I find that even with some ambient light on my DWF the black image is still better because of the uniformity of the deep purple. Not having the splotchy look of the LCDs backlight makes a big difference. Then again, I turn the lights off and it looks deep black.
Most of the people’s comment here really don’t understand that it’s not a simply turn on and off light.
It’s all about living habit. Not everyone is vampire gamers and completely no room light is killing your eyes. and you spend so much money on a product and still need adapt complete change in environment to reach it full potential? Hell no.
Vampire gamers are obnoxiously arrogant when it comes to these realities.
@@DrakonR I mean, if you are capable to be a vampire gaming life style. Of course good for them. Just that different peoples built differently, I like darker room but can’t completely off the lights and only RGB lights. Just that give me a tons of eye strains.
Hello @thedisplayguy, I really like your videos. Could you tell me which is the best of these 2 monitors, Innocn 32A6V or the KTC M32P10?
Dude, this is not the coating’s fault. QD OLEDs don’t have a polarizer layer. Hence the issue. Even a matte coating QD OLED will have the same issue.
I don’t think he ever mentioned that the coating was the main issue with lighting. He said that QD-OLED displays struggle with contrast ratios in well-lit rooms. When he talks about matte coatings, it’s to point out that they diffuse light in both directions, which can lead to less contrast and sharpness compared to glossy finishes. Matte coatings are designed to minimize glare, but they also scatter reflected light, resulting in less vivid colors and a decrease in the perceived depth of images. This is especially noticeable in bright environments where maintaining high contrast ratios is essential for the best viewing experience.
I bought the AW3225QF for the motion performance, and I can tell it exterminated my motion sickness. Using in a light controlled room, looks awesome
can you give me the numbers for lg matte woled? that is hardly missing
Dude, I have no problems with you, rly. But I just bought the PG32UCDM and let me tell you its a freakin monsteeeeer ! I have light of the day coming from the back and I see less problems than with my PG35VQ, with matte cotting. The screen is just great and the rest is being excessively fussy. Not sure of the word but I’m sure you get it. Love you. Keep up the good work 😊
I have a PG32UCDM and the coating is gorgeous you don’t notice the glare when the color pops out soo wll
Any issues when you try to clean it? Any scratches or smudges?
Since most of the adults have life and shit to do during day, we play at night like 90% of gaming sessions. So no problem what so ever. And those colors are like x15 times better than woled.
I have an AW3225QF my room has 4 bright lights right behind me and large windows and its literally not an issue
OK, that's a strong point for my decision to keep the Odyssey Neo G7 or get the AW3225QF. I'm really impressed by the HDR perfomance of the Neo G7 even in daytime with a huge window beside the desktop.
I have no problem on this QD OLED monitor because I can control my lighting on my room like dimming my lights on the right spot if I like to turn my lights on 😅
I use my 42" KTC monitor with LG WOLED panel about 1 year as a monitor 12 hours every day - best monitor i've ever used. No burning or other problems
Do you think Samsung’s upcoming QD OLED monitor will solve some of these issues?
Are the qd-oled monitors and TV the same? I have a Samsung S92C and don't experience any of this.
It seems less noticeable on TVs for me, but it’s definitely still a problem. Maybe the larger screen just makes it less apparent.
Monitor is absolutely awesome. Just turn the lights off? I don't understand how this would be an issue for most people
If I need to have hdr in a brighter room Im using mini led. Im using the QD OLED's in a dark room. The s95c takes care of most lighting situations. Listen yall colours are pretty, depends on your use case. After using a reference monitor for editing everything else is just for fun.
I love how QD-OLED looks, but I just cannot game in a dark room.
I think qd oled doesnt show real black it always has that red tint when its black
Wow QD OLED isnt perfect, incredible. Show me perfect technology then.
Already have a 42” C4 on the way. Upgrading from a Dell U3818dw. So excited.
Shit here we go again... Lol
You just make a clickbait video to say absolutely nothing more than "this display technology suffers on light environments" thing that ABSOLUTELY all reviewers say.
For me and many, qd oled is the absolute best display technology out there.
Load of horse$hit..my lights are on and it looks waaay better than qn90b mini led.. n this guy is saying edge lit wud have more contrast than this 😂.. even the s95d matte is pretty good as well..
Now, I will know why I’m going to use only lights from: the display, the ones from from the case (bright enough, in the Bequiet 500X), and maybe from the keyboard and mouse… everything else will be shut, especially during/with daylight…
Love to see the min brightness for QD TVs
Why is no one also talking about how impossible it is to clean a qd-oled? Do people seriously expect that they won't accidently spit or sneeze on their screen in the next 3-5 years?
Seriously i dont see this. i was using the 321urx during the day with lights off and window behind the monitor. It looked just as pitch black as the LG C1 right next to it.
Guys, turning off the light or dimmer the light might make your gaming experience nicer but it will hurt your eyes in long run. Our eyes pupil enlarger to receive more light in darker surrounding even if your display is bright.
It's not a big issue. I use it with the windows open, I just don't put a light or a window behind it and there is nothing negative to notice. I have the Alienware and it's honestly amazing. I am not even that much of a glossy fan. Just a good monitor, period.
Everu video title is u saying to bot buy a moniter type. Ehat am i allowed to buy
If you are getting an OLED you should also try smart led lamps
Definitely, actually. Sometimes turning off the lights completely is a bit intense so dimming them to a warm glow is great
LG G4 boi 😌
Haven’t had a pc since pre covid. Once 50 series drops I’m getting a 65 and a custom desk
I wall mounted a 55" LG G4 with a 4090 and man its something else. I sit about 5 feet away. @Javingil
@@Rob-Davidson that would prob be a better idea. Do you think 5 feet distance is sufficient? Asked someone else’s and that’s what he recommend as well.
@@Javingil 5 feet is perfect for me
Even G4 83" will have raised blacks in bright room. Always makes me laugh people saying the new MiniLED will be destroy the likes of say OLED , even a G4. Then rave about bright room viewing , not knowing it suppresses contrast .
Saw Vincent on HDTVtest raving about some 168" 10000Nit monster , great display to be sure . But you could never watch it in any normal room in the dark . that TV would light up the whole room , far more than the room lights in a bright scene . That TV was showing some bright image , big deal , lets see it remap a 1000 NIt mastered movie in a challenging scene , have my doubts how well it would do with dynamic tone mapping. Think the G4 is a good buy , can do a nice dynamic tonemap , A 4000NIT movie would probably be fine enough . Bit annoyed LG only have one seller in NZ for G4, 30% more expensive than Australia . So need to wait 1 year just to get an 83 for normal price if I don't buy something else , doesn't endear me to LG
waiting for woled glossy 32" 240hz 2.1 DP
Gigabyte Aorus is 2.1. But pointless as they will improve by the time 2.1 gpus are worth buying.
HOLD UP! When did you review a Gorilla Glass OLED on the channel?🤨
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this literally doesnt matter. I play in a pitch black room all the time, and im sure everyone else who games does. If you play with your lights on there;s something wrong with you.
Does matter in summer when it's bright until like 10pm.
I guess there is something wrong with me then thanks.
What monitor do you personally use as your 'daily driver'?
42” LG C4. Waiting on the 32” Spectrum Black 4K 240Hz.
@@thedisplayguy Thx for the quick response (and great choice btw). If I may add a follow up question: I am thinking of getting the Odyssey OLED G6 G60SD, once it's available. Would be curious about your thoughts of that one, especially considering their advertised 'low haze' finish. I totally agree on your arguments regarding glossy finish being superior over matte, but in my environment I don't have much control about light conditions. Would really appreciate your thoughts.
@@thedisplayguy You pre-order the variant with the USB-C & DP2.1 ports? Or the newer, less future-proofed but cheaper variant?
That current problem with the 240hz to 480hz flick-switch feature not yet being supported is what is holding me back for now.
@@thedisplayguy interesting, considering it will have UHBR20. Do you have any news regarding MSI MEG 321 URX & ROG PG32UCDP, will those 2 have UHBR20?
If I get the QD-OLED AW2725DF and use it in a "Slightly" bright room" (I have blinds that are always down, but there's still some light comming in) will It be an issue for this monitor?
Right now im using PG27AQDM, a WOLED monitor.
If you already got an OLED monitor, are you really that desperate to upgrade?!?
@@TecraX2 Yeah actually i really want a glossy screen with that rich vibrant colors that quantom dot technology gives you. But im just a little concerned if it'll look bad in a slightly bright room.
@@Mr.DennyB Why are you looking at getting another 27", why not 32"? BTW, QD-OLED's purple grey tint when exposed to light is my main concern too...
I have an LG C1 OLED TV and after countless comparisons, it's best you go with a LG C4 42 inch oled. That thing is perfect, bigger size, has G-sync and perfect oled blacks and colors. This is in comparison to alienware, msi and asus oled monitors. They seems to have compromised on certain things to get the qd oled up and running
The purple tint looks worse on camera. It's actually not as bad as it looks and with the display on, it's no problem.
HDR v1 standard:
>1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level (min contrast 20k )
OR
>540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level (min contrast 1,080,000)
EDIT:
VESA HDR has min black levels: 0.4 in DisplayHDR 400;
0.1 for DisplayHDR500/600 then 0.05 0.02;
DisplayHDR *** True Black is 0.0005 ;
So get good blinds, curtains, and turn the lights off. Got it.
thx a lot for your videos
buy, dont buy, buy again, dont buy again, all of these fillers until a meaningful complete review between oled, qdoled and mini led
glad i purchased Dell G3223Q IPS instead of AW3225QF QD-OLED.
So if I want to enjoy the media/game, just turn off the lights. I would do that anyways because oled has low brightness for HDR. HDR is only good on oled in a drak room.
Yeah, monitors are usually in rooms with a decent amount of light so the qd oled monitors are not for me. My qd oled tv is in my man cave while I have a mini led monitor dual setup with a woled monitor. Best of all worlds-shame no display has it all though.
I live in a modern high rise with glass walls (windows) and that’s why QD OLED is not an option for a consumer like me, and I like to have my curtains open cause the view is insane
I swear oled will be the death of me, cant win with this shit
Any monitor looks best in a dark room, no matter if LCD, OLED or a CRT. And in the dark QD OLED is the best you can get
using dell oled 27inch with gloss screen with no issues
dude, my room's lightbulb broke years ago and I never replaced it
I have lights on in my room and I dont see it as nearly as acute as presented here.
is not problem glossy, it s problem qd oled, lg woled no problem, i'm lg c1, next c2 not problem because woled, just wait asus model 480hz display lg woled, normally august/september
SMH. What happened to your other youtube channel? Lights on aren't that bad. I turn them off and use rgb led lamps
It would be nice for a monitor reviewer to show how window light plays on the screen.
Yeh, most of them review these monitors in caves and a lot of people are being misled because of this. Look at this one during day light next to a window, it's just bad lol.
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I can’t wait until mini/micro led is good enough to replace oled monitors. Then we will have high brightness, high contrast and no burn in. The true end game.
Until lg release a glossy panel it's the only game in town if you don't want matte.
Invest in some dimmable or smart bulbs to control your light 🤷🏻♂️
Can’t wait for a decent crop of miniLED monitors to save us from buying a monitor that is gonna have burn-in in less than 5 years. And then eventually microLED to finally put the nail in the coffin of OLED
Too late! I'm super happy with it. I'm certain untrained when it comes to looking at the nuances but as a normal user, it's great!
You’re comparing a TV designed for living room settings (typically, brighter than an office with large windows, and higher peak brightness) versus monitors. Come on.
Why are you conflating QD OLED vs WOLED as glossy vs matte? I mean, sure there is CURRENTLY a lot of overlap on that Venn Diagram but I have an LG OLED tv that is NOT a QD but its glossy. Plus even if there arent any QD Oleds that are matte right now, there very well could be in the future so why are you doing this. Just say glossy vs matte. You're just confusing ppl and making generalizations which are not always true
This video just goes to show that absolutely anyone can make a bar graph.
I personally wouldn't bother with current OLEDs at all and just wait for NanoLED (EL-QD) in a year or two honestly.
Its once again just a pick your poison situation like with LCD panels, except way worse.
While it may be true I can’t anymore with my 4K 60 TN panel as a heavy user
I play in the dark. Got the aw3225qf
Saying it doesn't look his with the lights on is like saying that an oled tv won't look good in your living room and that just not true, o have both OLED TV and Alianware 4k 240 monitor and it looks good with the lights on and looks even better for hdr brightness with lights off.... this is a great monitor so don't listen to this advice