as always your hilarious and yes you are literally the first reviewer that even has the brains to understand hdmi 2.1 bandwidth has lower input latency and feels much better . DSc is an algorithm that compresses the hell out of all that data and people think that is for free? There is no penalty? Give me a break , feels night and day better native . Keep doing you man , channel is going # 1
Theres always a price for everything. Like how when you watch this Channel you feel Zorz. :) I agree completely DSC feels off to me - Native is always better. Not to mention looks better. You're in the Zorz Family for sure and I deeply appreciate you!
Any source to confirm the higher latency and lower quality? I wanna see numbers or I ain't sweating it. With modern hardware lossless compression can be done at unnoticeable delays if the implementation is good.
the only review that takes a look to real problems like dldsr, dsc and flickering. Every other "pro" reviewer doesn't even want to touch this issues with a 10 foot pole. and that makes this review the best one, took a look to the others and well, great content, much better than the typical channels, subscribed
The majority of games are created in the sRGB space so if you don’t want the gamut clamp use Gamer 1 with gain set to 98/99/100. This gives you the saturated colors without green tint.
Great video. Love that you're trying to track down these issues to help us better understand the newer edge technologies that are coming out for these monitors. Mine is about 5 years old and I had no idea about DLDSR, the diff between DCI and HDMI, etc. Hopefully they can figure out the eye strain issue on the monitor. You were mentioning the ASUS and how great the colors are - that highly saturated coloring looks off to me. I liked some of the color settings you showed on the Dell better actually. I probably won't touch any of this though unless it comes down to $400-600 or something in that range. I like seeing what you can get for more but don't think it would be worth it for just normal Call of Duty or random survival gaming.
SWING! My man! Asus colors are medicore considering its not an OLED but given the 360 hz and the feel of it AND the ULMB they are damn good. Nothing really is amazing just yet unless you can get the asus 360 for a good price, or get the 165 oled 34 inch for a good price.
Im still enjoying my old LG C2 but I really like your reviews of these new OLED monitors. You really get into the weeds with your review and I cant stand mainstream reviewers who don't even play games. Your videos are genuinely awesome to watch. I think you could do well with all sorts of gaming related content!
This is my third comment in a row because it’s way late at night stayed up playing halo and commenting as I watch and pause . Can the gaming community just high five this guy? Man your the man, best reviews in the 9 realms I’m being dead @ss . How you don’t have million subscribers is just more evidence planet earth is backasswards . Thank you for taking the time man , the humor too 10/10
I'm actually tearing up. Literally. Zorz Tears. Thank you so so so much. Comments like this is why I continue because I haven't made a cent.... Yet, and I put my heart and time into this. Love our community and love you guys. This means more than you know. ❤❤ Thank you!
@@ZorzGaming lol bottle those “zorz tears” bro, one day you shall toast with them when you get million subs . Maybe you should do podcast weekly live? I can only imagine the hard work to make and edit long videos . During the pandemic I told my wife I wanna make RUclips videos . Everyone says ya do it your so funny. A 1 minute and 30 seconds video took me like 4 hours to edit. I no longer make videos . Lol I made one and almost wanted to drink bleach half way through editing . No joke man you just need to put out more content consistently where RUclips algorithm takes time off cat videos and w/e and shows people your channel. Not just saying this literally know for a certainty you would have a huge channel . Every tech review is like this professionally done dry review without any true in depth realizim for actual tech enthusiasts people like us that realize hdmi2.1 actually feels better than DSc etc . Your literally the only RUclipsr on planet earth shinning a light at a dark oled screen measuring light refractions lmao . Like I’m watching a funny-witty episode of forensic files . I will start telling everyone about your channel man. Lemme no if your gonna do a live stream I’d watch that weekly.
@@TheOneGhost12 I'm so glad you understand. Yah this video took me like 25-30 hours or something to edit! Thank you so much my friend! I do a stream on twitch every Thursday at 9pm twitch.tv/LordGurciullo I play mostly fun indie games and have a fun time with the crew! Stop by!
Believe me Samsung does NOT care about your retina. I believe it’s the combination of pulsation and ineffective coating. Yes reducing blue light helps, but other monitors are fine with the same color profile. The thing about Samsung is that it has history of doing things when they are already fully of the problems.
Think the eye strain is very dependent on the individual. I have this monitor and was worried about the claims of eye strain from some. I don't have any. With my glasses or contacts.
Yo thanks for this video. Here is an update from dell regarding dldsr. “The Displays Team is working on an AW2725DF firmware update that will allow disabling DSC in the Menu OSD, hence enabling DLDSR/DSR on DP. ETA is TBD. Note, when DSC is disabled, the maximum refresh rate of 360 Hz cannot be achieved on DP.”
That's amazing to hear, has the updated firmware released yet? What hz is achievable at DSC turned off? I just purchased this monitor during the $470 sale.
@@jonathantran5821never got the update but they were working on it. Ended up getting the samsung g60sd. The hdmi is full speed so I get the 360hz through hdmi. Colors are insane as well
@@BitMANcnft That's incredible the g60sd can reach the full 360hz over hdmi 2.1. I've read that the MSI 271qrx can only reach 345hz with dsc turned off. Making me think if I should return mine.
Legit never heard of the Clash IP before but it seems like a banger recommendation. Gonna give it a go later tonight! As for the monitor, I've personally sold my first gen 240hz oled because I got tired of dealing with early adopter issues. I'm now just waiting for BenQ's 540hz ugly ass TN monitor and will run that until OLED matures a bit more as monitor tech. Thanks for the review and game recommendation!
Hey Zorz, nice review! Love your content. You're probably the best and most enjoyable monitor reviewer I've come across. Just wondering if the MSI MPG 271QRX is something you'd review in the foreseeable future?
Do you think the cause of the eye strain could be fixed with a software update or does the monitor itself have to be changed? I’m contemplating getting this because I’m usually fine when it comes to eyestrain and the specs on this monitor is just too tempting.
I have the MSI version and it's killing my eyes. I don't know what to do because I can't live with the CPC on the WOLED ones. That's another issue no one mentions.
That shit is still on on the new 27 inch one? That's one of the main reasons I had to get rid of mine because it made using it for anything other than gaming a fucking nightmare. And yes, the eye issue isn't tolerable. Personally I'm back on a TN panel.
Very strong video. As someone thinking about buying this thing (friend dropped my old monitor and rn I'm stuck on a 24" 60hz) and as someone whose monthly income is lower than the price of this one (apprenticeship, it'll get better) I think maybe I'll stick with 1080 for a bit longer and watch as the situation develops.
@@ZorzGaming neither really, I just crave the qd oled that they released at my preferred size, resolution and not curved. I would call myself a casual gamer tho my setup doesn't really reflect that
Yea I been using Nvidia DLDSR I got an AMD video card just because people said theirs has better text, it looks super good. I've been using 1440p on a 1080p screen for years now 😅. Especially good for productivity. I agree 4k monitors literally waste. I would just get a 1440p 32 inch and run AMD super resolution at 4k 🤓 Didn't know the issues with dci-p3 and HDMI, Thanks
Thanks for watching and being Zorz! Yah the Alienware 34 inch 165 (Or 157) is still the best OLED you can get IMO. Because if you're playing for money you're not playing on OLED.
@ZorzGaming can you clarify why because most reviews state OLEDs have lower refresh times and input lag than most fast TNs and IPs monitors. Besides don't they say 360hz would be the equivalent of 480hz on an LCD panel?? Of course you might have marginally better motion clarity with Dyac/ULMB2 but responsiveness and clarity in game should balance the playing field??
Its not even close In my opinion. I come from the CRT days so motion blur is a nono. You buy OLED for gorgeous not to win. Winning still involves faster and less motion blur for me but it also depends on the game you play. For more modern machine gun games like Apex it might not be as big of a deal but for flick shot 1 shot head shot games like CS or Valorant its not close. Personally I cant stand motion blur. @@themetamind9305
If I understand correctly the problem is eyes strain because of glossy surfaces coating of the screen and and it magnifies the light from screen directly into your eyes - *the same shit happening when you accidentally watch on welding (please never watch on welding without eyes safety mask or glasses).* And as I understand you don’t have this issue with a 21:9 QD-OLED monitor where is added more layer that gives you additional to horizontal and vertical also diagonal refractors - *buy 3M company’s matte film for cover your display for $30* - may be it will be helpful.
Wow! That's a very interesting theory and sounds very probable. I actually got an email from Alienware trying to figure it out - so they still don't know either.
A magical thing apparently. Set up your resolution with the 157 10bit trick, then engage DLDSR! It should work! Talk nicely to her and tell her shes beautiful.
I think the eye strain could actually be from it being an QD-OLED since they use a different subpixel layout. Backlighting on those is also blue instead of white, hence why it felt better with the low blue light filter on
The 34 inch is 2nd gen and the 360hz is 3rd gen and they differ slightly, but it might be worth looking at the MSI 360hz maybe you wont get eye strain there
Is there anyway to turn down the BlueLight on HDR with a PS5 and no PC connected? I’m not finding the settings for that but I’ve been getting eye strain and really wanna try that to turn it down. Thanks for your work amazing video and hoping we get to the bottom of this!
Thank you! My solution was to return it. Eyes are too important to try to figure it out especially since if you use night light on windows everything will look orange and you didn't spend a thousand dollars for that!
the dumb decision of alienware to limit the HDMI 2.1 bandwidth is a deal breaker, you could run 240hz 1440p without DSC now the monitor is limited to 144hz due that crippled HDMI. QD OLED I believe uses the blue led to increase the brightness of any color, if the coating is reflecting back that light it might cause the issues with the blue light being too strong and hence eye strain, I found my Nano IPS LG panel to cause me eye strain due the backlight looking light a flashlight on my monitor, I don't like it either. so I guess it's just a try thing, everyone is different. I would also try the LG OLED which uses MLA to mitigate the light reflected back to the monitor to increase the brightness efficiently.
its the same samsung panel with the same coating.. so very possible. but also if its firmware then possibly not. i ordered both and am going to try myself soon
@@skawt nice if you end up remembering down the road let me know haha I think I might just try the Alienware myself can’t find the Msi anywhere in stock
@@VLLN.i tried both and had no issue personally. i also heard that alienware updated the firmware on new monitors. which apparently you cannot do with the MSI 271QXP according to their detail sheet (update firmware) also was able to save $200 from Dell and get a $100 statement credit from Amex so it was a no brainer.
try brightness on 90% with creator mode srgb or fps mode 80%. Maybe try low refresh rate to see if your eyes are on the way out and can't handle high refresh rate with saturated colours
I figured it out, 3rd gen panels have higher incidence of bad enough flicker out of box for it to be complained about. 1st gen has it too but to a bit smaller degree which was enough for it to not be talked about.. I think there were also a lot of people who missed out on buying 1st gen and really wanted 3rd to be perfect so any negatives came to light that much more.
Did you just compare pg27aqn with aw2725df? I have seen the rtings video where they showed checkboard test comparison and local dimming comparison and rated asus around 5.9 in checkerboard test and 3.5 in local dimming test compared to 10 rating given to Alienware monitor... Are you saying that rtings test is false and there is no blooming around the bright objects in asus monitor like they are claiming on their site..? They are not claiming it, there is actual side by side comparison and asus did horrible..
@@ZorzGaming Either a desk with adjustable height or a monitor arm would be ideal in your case. Also what's your height? Maybe you're just an extremely tall man?
Thanks brother. Yah I have an elite monitor arm on my other desk which currently is being occupied by a giant tv. I am not an extremely tall man, just an extremely Zorz Man, like you. I'm only 5'10. @@Shadowsmoke11
Some smaller YT dude who reviewed this monitor claimed that increasing the brightness fixed the eye strain for him, seems counter intuitive but worth a try. Something something about the dimming.
I read about it and tried it and it didn't work for me... I feel like the issue might be coating, but also could just be peoples different eyes reacting differently.
@@ZorzGaming ok too bad! Please make a update if you figure it out. Guess I’ll wait for the MSI to be available and see if it’s the same. In that case it’s probably the coating like you say and we are shit out of luck.
So I tried all the previous generation oleds including the LG C3. The eye strain was present on the older models as well, I think it's worse on these generations because more people are noticing that weren't sensitive enough previously. The LG C3 had the least amount of eye strain and it also had the best coating. The LG panels didn't have as much eye strain as the QD-OLEDs so it makes me curious to see if they keep the coating the same on the new 4k models later this year. In conclusion I ended up keeping my AW2721D because it just wasn't worth it. Almost kept an Asus PG32UQX but even on a huge discount it was still too much for not enough improvement. However, the PG32UQX was the best HDR monitor by far. Whatever Asus has done with newer firmware, the blooming is extremely controlled and the HDR brightness is unlike anything else in the monitor market. The monitor hit nits that my 85" X95K miniLED does, except it's two feet away from you and hits you like a brick wall. lol. Oh, and no eye strain on the miniled monitors. So I'm waiting for more miniLED options to become available.
@@ZorzGaming I think you're onto something with how the coatings refract light and how that could lead to eye strain. 48" LG C1 = 4 AW2721D = 6 55" Samsung QLED = 8 85" X95K MiniLED = 8 The LG definitely causes me the most eye strain over time. I had quite a bit of it on the AW3423dwf even though it had more refractions. Could still be apart of the equation. No eye strain on my flicker free AW2721D/Samsung QLED or PWM miniled display. While I had the PG32UQX, I had no eye strain with that either even though it was also PWM. So I guess some of us have to lean into the miniLED department because OLED for whatever reason is causing eye issues. If / when you do another monitor, you should include your findings of refractions and see if there's a pattern. Thanks for the video.
On the eyestrain issue I had to return the AW3432dw because it would flicker with VRR enabled not enough to see with the naked eye but it was still affecting me. Interestingly you can see the flicker clearly on camera in fact you can see it in your video at 17:48-17:52. If some one has access to a high speed camera or photosensor they could test if there is PWM dimming of the pixels I know Samsung's LCD TVS use 960HZ strobing to dim the backlight so it could be the oled is doing something similar.
It could be what you are saying, VRR flicker, but the flickering during that part of the video is more likely due to the refresh rate of the screen not matching the recording rate of the camera from when he started recording that segment of the video. It happens all of the time on the news and in youtube videos that show screens. Even some room lights do it because the frequency of the lights is out of step with the recording rate.
@@elvnmagi9048 I have owned an aw3423dwf and have seen the same flicker in person. its not as pronounced in person but its there in dark scenes and menus.
@@ZorzGaming After reading the TFT central review I think they solved it. Under Spectral Distribution they show the monitor has a blue light peak in the 415 - 455nm range which is supposedly harmful. My theory is the blue light peak plus the weirdness with the polariser and coating is putting a lot of stress on the eyes.
I had this screen for a few days and sent it back. The text fringing was so bad I couldn't stand it (to the point where I could barely read the text in the monitor UI itself let alone windows), and it had a whole pile of dead pixels. Only plus side was 360hz and glossy OLED. I'll wait for a similar WOLED panel.
Just bought this monitor it's coming tomorrow, just found out the msi version does have real hdmi 2.1 so that's mean dsr would work with hdmi at 300hz? Shitt don't k ow if I should return it and wait and get the msi version, because I like dsr, do you think alienware could made a firmware update and add a option to remove dcs with displayport to 240 hz so you could enable dsr?
Possible. But the real issues are also the DCI-p3 being green, and the lack of DLDSR, not to mention the pain. Try it for a week and tell me what you think!
@@ZorzGamingI think I will return it and get the new msi version. It does have true hdmi 2.1 with 48 gbs speed so dldsr should work on hmi up to 300 hz?
@@ZorzGamingI see on reddit that the alienware can do dldsr with hdmi 144hz and people can't get it to work with the msi version even with hdmi because dsc is always turned on even with hdmi on the msi.
Just curious if i were to return this monitor how long does the processing usually take because it would be a shame to have to wait an entire month to get a refund
Fingers Crossed, Just returned mine lets hope they don’t take forever to process them, everyone always praises dell for their warrantys i just hope the customer service for returns is as good.
I'm upgrading to this OLED from an LG L204WT-SF from like 2004 so I'm gonna be blown away no matter what! Love your reviews. Wish I'd gone with a 4060 or better when I upgraded last month but only chose a 3060 12GB. Should be fine for me, though.
Yah should be fine! And thank you so much. If you watched the whole thing though do you really wanna buy this? Huge risk to say the least. Course you can always return.
@@ZorzGamingYou were right about the eye strain as mentioned before but you were also right that the 3060 12GB is just fine. I'm not getting 100 FPS on very many new games but even 60-80fps is fast for me :)
I gave clash artifacts of chaos a go and wow it's amazing, just wondering how you got it to run so smoothly.. seem to be getting awful unreal engine stutter and microstuttering
@@ZorzGaming 4090/13700k , both stock, 32gb 6400mhz, it was an amazing gams but just so annoying constnstly stuttering, I do get this on other unreal engine 4 games to be fair. - I do have the first zeno clash ready to go and will play it soon.
@@fin4658 That sounds super odd and it shouldn't be happening. There's gotta be some setting to be played with cause we have basically the same computer....
I even have the Alienware 34 dwf ( thanks to your review ) but just had to deal with constant stuttering throughout my clash playthough. Perhaps some sort of Nvidia setting causing problems
@@ZorzGaming yeah I live in Poland so demand for such bleeding edge/expensive monitors isn't as high I guess and I was lucky enough to pre-order the last available unit 😎 they said it should shipp late February/ early March so I was surprised when I got the e-mail. I'll need to prepare my setup for tomorrow :)
@@ZorzGamingyea Ray-Ban eye glasses always have a option on their gen x transaction glasses for blue light filtering I usually go like 60-80% filtering it means I don’t get any eye strain from oled gama flicker or blue light implementations hence why I’m never sensitive to any issues in more monitors I am gona put on a pair of contact this weekend and try it out with my glasses see if I develop a headache and I’ll let you know
Yah try it without. Might not be a headache but more like a SUPER BRIGHT lights at night on the highway kinda strain feeling. Please let me know! Thanks! @@DivisionGrounds
Did you actually lose the eye pain from the firmware? cause the firmware was the same one that shipped! Also I reinstalled it too and it didn't work unless it came out today. @@DivisionGrounds
I would not get this monitor even if you have the crazy computer I have, but with yours definitely not cause it cant push the frames. Unless you're planning to upgrade soon!
Bravo - I am not a gamer - just a fan - and you are the most entertaing reviewer on RUclips period!! like @SuperMajinMaj says - keep doing you - you are the best
Im also not 'this kind of gamer' but am a VR gamer and wondered if you'd do a review and comparison of the Oculus 2 and 3, as well as a comparison/differences between the applePro? Hate to dumb ya dwn and make you slum it but.... legit wld love your spin on VR tech??? @@ZorzGaming
Bro I would love to! Thank you for the kind words! I actually am still using my PIMAX 8K which I haven't been using lately but still have. I would need them to send me these products because money is too tight to buy them all. Start a petition! @@thebean6928
I think the eye strain issue might be the pixel dimming scheme. It can make things constantly go from ultra bright to not so bright, and that will constantly make your iris have to open and close, which will cause eye strain. Probably why he was getting spots in the eyes, because it's dimmer one second, so his iris's are more open, then it's brighter the next, so you get slammed with that extra light while your iris's are more open. I don't think PWM would be an issue with such a high refresh rate. It isn't even really PWM on OLED, because PWM is an LCD backlight thing, not OLED. Since OLED is the backlight, the "PWM" is the refresh rate.
I have had this monitor for about 2 or 3 weeks. I experience that horrible eye strain. It hurts ALOT. It hits my brain differently then other things. Like how you go outside in the sun after being in the dark room for too long. Its worse and different than that even. its hard to explain. it goes away kinda with the non hdr setting. I also am using a display port cable. I still cant figure out how to get it to look close to my c1 LG as far as colors and black levels. Im thinking about sending it back
I'd strongly recommend sending it back. I had similar issue once and fucking glad i did also send back. Maybe look for the new lg oled panels that have the new sub pixel layout closer to rgb. In theory they should be easier for eyes and better text clarity, much closer to ips monitors but still not quite there.
For some reason the subtitles are not activated to see this review as it deserves, could someone give me a summary of whether it is finally worth it or whether it is better to wait for the msi QRX? I already reserved it but they haven't sent it to me yet so I can cancel it without any problem from Dell's website. I will use the monitor to browse chrome and play triple aaa games with the best possible graphics along with a 9700k and a 4070, very grateful for someone who can help me
The subtitles dont work? Try English Auto Generated. But long story short. No Don't buy it. Eye strain issue alone makes it iffy on top of the lack of HDMI 2.1 full bandwidth.
@@ZorzGaming It's strange, I can't activate them on my smartphone but I can on my PC, but getting back to the topic, if it doesn't cause visual fatigue and I limit the native hertz to less than 200 per display port (I should not use dsc in that case, I understand), This monitor is great in other aspects, right?
The DSC will still be on atleast as far as the driver is showing. It doesn't turn off ever. If the visual pain issue doesn't bother you and you dont care about DCI-P3 or DLDSR then yah its a great monitor @@FJAD94
@@ZorzGaming And how does DSC affect me if I always play 10-bit single-player games below 120 Hz? I will see the visual pain in person and as for the dci-p3 I don't think it will help me just to play or browse the web and the scaling I doubt I will barely use it since I have a 4070 and in 1440P for the most demanding games it won't work either very much in ultra. The other question I have is the issue of having a fan that could fail one day and the monitor runs out of cooling when the msi will not have this problem but perhaps the msi cools worse, what experience do you have of the 34 inch dell versus the g8/pg27aqdm in this aspect of cooling? thanks for all bro
Thanks for watching! No issue with the fan but that is going to take years to see which fans fail. THE DCI-P3 doesn't matter what card as far as performance it just effects the way the color works. DSC cant be turned off at all as far as I can see and also if you're doing 120hz you shouldn't waste a grand on this i Dont think... @@FJAD94
Fantastic review. Was gonna buy it but I'm gonna hold off for now until some of its issues are fixed, either through a revision or firmware updates. The eye strain is the big one for me, since I'd be using it for many hours at a time
Deeply appreciate that dude! Remember the eye strain issue might not affect you. I really want to get to the bottom of this because there HAS TO BE A REASON, even if its something related to genetics. Welcome to the Zorz Nation!
Eye strain - I had this with my LG C1 55" OLED which I purchased about a year ago. My eyes got used to it. Hopefully my eyes won't be affected by this. I haven't had a new monitor in 20 years. If I can't get used to it, I'll return it and try again.
Sadly for sure you are going to be affected... I feel your pain, i want this monitor too but i can't because im so sensitive to oled flicker... I have a old C9 behind me and i can't use it because now, it destroy me eye when i look at it running... :(
I got the monitor yesterday. Yes. I feel like a heat and twisting sorta feeling in my eyes that my other displays don't cause. I used it for a few hours on and off. My eyes started to get used to it. Display is awesome! Purple hue is a non-issue with lights on, windows open, or with lights off in the room. I will update later if I have gotten used to it or am sending back within the 30day window.
If you want followers, do NOT rant at all! It's a waste of the viewer's LIMITED time and patience! Also, going over the basic spec that are readily available online / OME website is boring and time / patients waster! Clicking off now.
Got it! It was actually filmed in Apple Log Pro Res most of it. I'm still learning about it! I can try the Apple LOG HDR option next and see howt that works out!@@hakimasrar5899
I always thought my Asus PG27AQN was a bad purchase, IPS glow was terrible and I had a dead pixel, everything else was grate, but I’ve gone Oled now and I can’t go back.
Great review, Zorz! Will you review any of the 4K 32'' 240hz monitors by any chance? The Asus Rog Swift PG32UCDM is the one who interest me the most personally.
I would absolutely love too just not sure I have the Budget for it. Unlike the guys with hundreds of thousands of subs its all my limited funds. Unless someone wants to send it to me...
The streets have been waiting for the review to drop zorz, best most in depth one yet. I got impatient and got this monitor upgrading from a 180hz lg ips and I’m blown away. One thing I heard in another review is the guy fixed his eye strain by turning brightness up over 85 percent in sdr. I keep it brightness at about 85 percent (something about pwm dimming on this panel) and I don’t notice any eye strain using this thing but it’s important to bring up. I was also wondering what settings you use in SDR for the best visibility in fps titles? Do you keep g sync on or off?
I think you're one of the lucky ones! no brightness setting ( I tried 85 in sdr) did much of anything. I always keep G Sync off, especially for this testing. I really appreciate your words. If you're not having eyestrain. Don't use DLDSR and dont use DCI-P3 its fucking great...
Got the monitor, and yea it's pretty Zorz. But one thing I would like to add is that DSC also disables Integer Scaling, which is pretty useful for older games that dont support higher resolutions. These new OLED monitors are amazing, but I feel they're not quite ready yet because we can only take full advantage of them with DP 2.1 or HDMI 2.1. No eyestrain issues here btw. Cant wait for your next video dude!
Best review ever :) (from South Korea) I play Rust Rust is like PUBG(not really but i have to explain so :>) Which monitor do you recomand to me? Asus pg27aqn or aw2725df ( I don't think i'll use ulmb2 even i buy pg27aqn i heard that makes eyes tired)
Oled are not flicker free. Maybe the combination of the magenta tint, sub pixel structure and pulse on 360hz. i have qd led panel and i do not have the magenta reflection when light shine on the monitor. So maybe the layer, sub-pixel and the pulse of 360hz is the problem.
The "flicker" OLED's have is very, very minimal (see Rtings tests). It's nothing like the full/near on-off cycle of other panel types with PWM. It's just a slight variance @ Hz. Some mobile amoleds do have a bad flicker though.
@@shrap8 Yo! I probably won't be testing that monitor. I know its damn good though if 240hz OLED is what you're looking for. Better brightness and issues fixed from the first edition.
Nope. Neither. I wouldn't get either at this point. I'd get the DWF Alienware 34 inch (non gsync) 1440 widescreen as the best all around monitor. If you want competitive look to Zowie and Dyac. Or the Asus 360 which does everything.
I updated even though it was the same one. I talked about it. Didn't do anything cause its the same one that shipped. The firmware still shows Jan 10 on the website.
Weird thing is that DLDSR works on my 27GR95QE over DisplayPort 1.4, which engages DSC. Kind of weird since NVIDIA themselves even say it’s incompatible. I use HDMI 2.1 anyway tho since it’s there.
Can you link to where I can find the ICC profile? I watched a couple of videos by Techless and checked the description of his vides but didn't see anything about an ICC profile. I am interested to try this!
Unfortunately I think the problem is just the PWM flicker, which is abominable on this screen. Maybe you're more sensitive to the 360hz PWM than to the 175hz PWM of the ultra-wide... Have you tried playing at 144hz to see if it's better? On Oled, the PWM frequency changes according to the Hz used and normally the higher the hz, the less visible it is, but normally for it to be really invisible for 95% of people, the PWM has to be over 1000hz... Lol Anyway, thanks to you, I know I shouldn't buy it because I'm extremely sensitive to flicker... The Alienware QD-Oled ultra wide was already hurting my eyes...
you people seem way smarter than I am so maybe you can help me - My Playstation 5 Wont do 144hz with a 2.1 cable (or at least I can't figure out why?) I have only tried Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade. Ran 144hz (120hz) on my 170hz IPS easily (but doesn't look anywhere near as good as this OLED) Also about the eye strain thing - I haven't noticed any yet but I have only had this thing a few days now. Thanks for the detailed video, will probably try out that Clash AoC game lol
as always your hilarious and yes you are literally the first reviewer that even has the brains to understand hdmi 2.1 bandwidth has lower input latency and feels much better . DSc is an algorithm that compresses the hell out of all that data and people think that is for free? There is no penalty? Give me a break , feels night and day better native . Keep doing you man , channel is going # 1
Theres always a price for everything. Like how when you watch this Channel you feel Zorz. :) I agree completely DSC feels off to me - Native is always better. Not to mention looks better. You're in the Zorz Family for sure and I deeply appreciate you!
@@ZorzGaming welcome to the family brother
Dsc adds latency yes... but less than 1ms. Measure total system latency you'll see !
@@ZorzGaming then, if i set hz on 240 (not limit them but natively), dsc is off true?
Any source to confirm the higher latency and lower quality? I wanna see numbers or I ain't sweating it. With modern hardware lossless compression can be done at unnoticeable delays if the implementation is good.
the only review that takes a look to real problems like dldsr, dsc and flickering. Every other "pro" reviewer doesn't even want to touch this issues with a 10 foot pole.
and that makes this review the best one, took a look to the others and well, great content, much better than the typical channels, subscribed
Thank you so much! Truly appreciate you! Welcome to the Zorz Nation!!! Seriously appreciate your appreciation!
The majority of games are created in the sRGB space so if you don’t want the gamut clamp use Gamer 1 with gain set to 98/99/100. This gives you the saturated colors without green tint.
Just returned mine as well. I tried to get used to it for about 3 weeks. I couldn’t get the eye strain to go away.
Yah it simply isn't worth it. Stay tuned for more options.
Great video. Love that you're trying to track down these issues to help us better understand the newer edge technologies that are coming out for these monitors. Mine is about 5 years old and I had no idea about DLDSR, the diff between DCI and HDMI, etc. Hopefully they can figure out the eye strain issue on the monitor. You were mentioning the ASUS and how great the colors are - that highly saturated coloring looks off to me. I liked some of the color settings you showed on the Dell better actually. I probably won't touch any of this though unless it comes down to $400-600 or something in that range. I like seeing what you can get for more but don't think it would be worth it for just normal Call of Duty or random survival gaming.
SWING! My man! Asus colors are medicore considering its not an OLED but given the 360 hz and the feel of it AND the ULMB they are damn good. Nothing really is amazing just yet unless you can get the asus 360 for a good price, or get the 165 oled 34 inch for a good price.
Im still enjoying my old LG C2 but I really like your reviews of these new OLED monitors. You really get into the weeds with your review and I cant stand mainstream reviewers who don't even play games. Your videos are genuinely awesome to watch. I think you could do well with all sorts of gaming related content!
Dude thank you! I deeply appreciate that! Stay with me! Stay Zorz!
This is my third comment in a row because it’s way late at night stayed up playing halo and commenting as I watch and pause . Can the gaming community just high five this guy? Man your the man, best reviews in the 9 realms I’m being dead @ss . How you don’t have million subscribers is just more evidence planet earth is backasswards . Thank you for taking the time man , the humor too 10/10
I'm actually tearing up. Literally. Zorz Tears. Thank you so so so much. Comments like this is why I continue because I haven't made a cent.... Yet, and I put my heart and time into this. Love our community and love you guys. This means more than you know. ❤❤ Thank you!
@@ZorzGaming lol bottle those “zorz tears” bro, one day you shall toast with them when you get million subs . Maybe you should do podcast weekly live? I can only imagine the hard work to make and edit long videos . During the pandemic I told my wife I wanna make RUclips videos . Everyone says ya do it your so funny. A 1 minute and 30 seconds video took me like 4 hours to edit. I no longer make videos . Lol I made one and almost wanted to drink bleach half way through editing . No joke man you just need to put out more content consistently where RUclips algorithm takes time off cat videos and w/e and shows people your channel. Not just saying this literally know for a certainty you would have a huge channel . Every tech review is like this professionally done dry review without any true in depth realizim for actual tech enthusiasts people like us that realize hdmi2.1 actually feels better than DSc etc . Your literally the only RUclipsr on planet earth shinning a light at a dark oled screen measuring light refractions lmao . Like I’m watching a funny-witty episode of forensic files . I will start telling everyone about your channel man. Lemme no if your gonna do a live stream I’d watch that weekly.
@@TheOneGhost12 I'm so glad you understand. Yah this video took me like 25-30 hours or something to edit! Thank you so much my friend! I do a stream on twitch every Thursday at 9pm twitch.tv/LordGurciullo I play mostly fun indie games and have a fun time with the crew! Stop by!
@@ZorzGaming 9 pm East or west ?
Believe me Samsung does NOT care about your retina. I believe it’s the combination of pulsation and ineffective coating. Yes reducing blue light helps, but other monitors are fine with the same color profile. The thing about Samsung is that it has history of doing things when they are already fully of the problems.
Think the eye strain is very dependent on the individual. I have this monitor and was worried about the claims of eye strain from some. I don't have any. With my glasses or contacts.
Yo thanks for this video. Here is an update from dell regarding dldsr. “The Displays Team is working on an AW2725DF firmware update that will allow disabling DSC in the Menu OSD, hence enabling DLDSR/DSR on DP. ETA is TBD. Note, when DSC is disabled, the maximum refresh rate of 360 Hz cannot be achieved on DP.”
AWESOME! I love to hear that. Perhaps this video had some effect. I love Alienware and I felt bad having to point these things out.
That's amazing to hear, has the updated firmware released yet? What hz is achievable at DSC turned off? I just purchased this monitor during the $470 sale.
@@jonathantran5821never got the update but they were working on it. Ended up getting the samsung g60sd. The hdmi is full speed so I get the 360hz through hdmi. Colors are insane as well
@@BitMANcnft That's incredible the g60sd can reach the full 360hz over hdmi 2.1. I've read that the MSI 271qrx can only reach 345hz with dsc turned off. Making me think if I should return mine.
Better & informative review than Type C review. Guy just rambling and shilling without addressing any real cons of the monitor.
Legit never heard of the Clash IP before but it seems like a banger recommendation. Gonna give it a go later tonight! As for the monitor, I've personally sold my first gen 240hz oled because I got tired of dealing with early adopter issues. I'm now just waiting for BenQ's 540hz ugly ass TN monitor and will run that until OLED matures a bit more as monitor tech. Thanks for the review and game recommendation!
540 BENq is the one I'm most excited about! Buy ZENO CLASH! It's a fantastic little Gem! Thanks for watching my friend!
Hey Zorz, nice review! Love your content. You're probably the best and most enjoyable monitor reviewer I've come across. Just wondering if the MSI MPG 271QRX is something you'd review in the foreseeable future?
Thank you!! Takes Zorz to know Zorz! I want to very badly. I haven't seen it for sale anywhere though as of yet.
Do you think the cause of the eye strain could be fixed with a software update or does the monitor itself have to be changed? I’m contemplating getting this because I’m usually fine when it comes to eyestrain and the specs on this monitor is just too tempting.
I have the MSI version and it's killing my eyes. I don't know what to do because I can't live with the CPC on the WOLED ones. That's another issue no one mentions.
That shit is still on on the new 27 inch one? That's one of the main reasons I had to get rid of mine because it made using it for anything other than gaming a fucking nightmare. And yes, the eye issue isn't tolerable. Personally I'm back on a TN panel.
ty for explaining stuff so nicely
Very strong video. As someone thinking about buying this thing (friend dropped my old monitor and rn I'm stuck on a 24" 60hz)
and as someone whose monthly income is lower than the price of this one (apprenticeship, it'll get better)
I think maybe I'll stick with 1080 for a bit longer and watch as the situation develops.
Agreed. Insanely expensive. Are you hyper competitive or more single player?
@@ZorzGaming neither really, I just crave the qd oled that they released at my preferred size, resolution and not curved.
I would call myself a casual gamer tho my setup doesn't really reflect that
Then I think the 165 Oled from Alienware is a great choice unless you wanna wait for something else. But its damn good for 799. @@JamesG.Griffin
@@ZorzGaming yeah the price difference was too small, got a discount and also Europe
I snapped today when salary came
you just oredered it?! Which One?
@@JamesG.Griffin
Sweet monitor. I just bought ASUS ROG Swift PG32UCDM, coming from 24 inch. I hope i did not make mistake.
Hype for that xl2586x review. I bet you're probably in the kitchen cooking that one up now.
It's happening right now, cookin it up. Listening to Drake and Kendrick battle it out.
These OLEDs are getting awesome! Well done bro. Good to see you back in the saddle!
YO! Thanks brother! Coming from the King of ASMR I am honored. Love you!
I had the Alienware QD-OLED ultra wide and it did the same thing.
Yea I been using Nvidia DLDSR
I got an AMD video card just because people said theirs has better text, it looks super good.
I've been using 1440p on a 1080p screen for years now 😅.
Especially good for productivity.
I agree 4k monitors literally waste. I would just get a 1440p 32 inch and run AMD super resolution at 4k 🤓
Didn't know the issues with dci-p3 and HDMI, Thanks
Thanks for watching and being Zorz! Yah the Alienware 34 inch 165 (Or 157) is still the best OLED you can get IMO. Because if you're playing for money you're not playing on OLED.
@ZorzGaming can you clarify why because most reviews state OLEDs have lower refresh times and input lag than most fast TNs and IPs monitors. Besides don't they say 360hz would be the equivalent of 480hz on an LCD panel?? Of course you might have marginally better motion clarity with Dyac/ULMB2 but responsiveness and clarity in game should balance the playing field??
Its not even close In my opinion. I come from the CRT days so motion blur is a nono. You buy OLED for gorgeous not to win. Winning still involves faster and less motion blur for me but it also depends on the game you play. For more modern machine gun games like Apex it might not be as big of a deal but for flick shot 1 shot head shot games like CS or Valorant its not close. Personally I cant stand motion blur. @@themetamind9305
If I understand correctly the problem is eyes strain because of glossy surfaces coating of the screen and and it magnifies the light from screen directly into your eyes - *the same shit happening when you accidentally watch on welding (please never watch on welding without eyes safety mask or glasses).*
And as I understand you don’t have this issue with a 21:9 QD-OLED monitor where is added more layer that gives you additional to horizontal and vertical also diagonal refractors - *buy 3M company’s matte film for cover your display for $30* - may be it will be helpful.
Wow! That's a very interesting theory and sounds very probable. I actually got an email from Alienware trying to figure it out - so they still don't know either.
@@ZorzGamingHi Zorz have they released any additional information since?
I am so confused now, which monitor do you use personally in the 27 inch 1440p space?
+ for Zeno Clash!
And thank you for the review, of course.
Thank you! Yes Zeno Clash is truly a wonderful unique amazing experience.
@@ZorzGaming Cheers!
wait how did you do the 10but thing on the ultrawide alongside DLDSR? I thought you cant to custom resolutions and DLDSR at the same time
A magical thing apparently. Set up your resolution with the 157 10bit trick, then engage DLDSR! It should work! Talk nicely to her and tell her shes beautiful.
Did they charge a restocking fee? I’m tempted to try it but worried about their return policy
Nope. Go for it. They were great and easy to return. Dell is elite like that.
I think the eye strain could actually be from it being an QD-OLED since they use a different subpixel layout. Backlighting on those is also blue instead of white, hence why it felt better with the low blue light filter on
It isn't. If you watch the full video I compare it to the QD OLED 34 inch and there are zero eye strain issues there. Its something else!
The 34 inch is 2nd gen and the 360hz is 3rd gen and they differ slightly, but it might be worth looking at the MSI 360hz maybe you wont get eye strain there
Thats the plan! I'm on the list! @@Max-sp6rq
I also got massive eye strain. Returned it because of that - the picture Was awesome tho...
RIGHT!? I really really want to figure this out!!! @@BL4ZE_Ger
Is there anyway to turn down the BlueLight on HDR with a PS5 and no PC connected? I’m not finding the settings for that but I’ve been getting eye strain and really wanna try that to turn it down. Thanks for your work amazing video and hoping we get to the bottom of this!
Thank you! My solution was to return it. Eyes are too important to try to figure it out especially since if you use night light on windows everything will look orange and you didn't spend a thousand dollars for that!
I’m with you. I think I’m going to do the same and go with a LG GS
the dumb decision of alienware to limit the HDMI 2.1 bandwidth is a deal breaker, you could run 240hz 1440p without DSC now the monitor is limited to 144hz due that crippled HDMI. QD OLED I believe uses the blue led to increase the brightness of any color, if the coating is reflecting back that light it might cause the issues with the blue light being too strong and hence eye strain, I found my Nano IPS LG panel to cause me eye strain due the backlight looking light a flashlight on my monitor, I don't like it either. so I guess it's just a try thing, everyone is different. I would also try the LG OLED which uses MLA to mitigate the light reflected back to the monitor to increase the brightness efficiently.
Excellent Response! Really appreciate it and that makes perfect sense!
Was cool chilling in your twitch man , i dibs that RUclips name
Thanks for this video was considering this monitor. Do all these issues still apply to the MSI version with this panel?
its the same samsung panel with the same coating.. so very possible. but also if its firmware then possibly not. i ordered both and am going to try myself soon
@@skawt nice if you end up remembering down the road let me know haha I think I might just try the Alienware myself can’t find the Msi anywhere in stock
Yup can't find it in stock and I'm running out of money but I hear the issues aren't the same. I need to try it!
@@VLLN.i tried both and had no issue personally. i also heard that alienware updated the firmware on new monitors. which apparently you cannot do with the MSI 271QXP according to their detail sheet (update firmware)
also was able to save $200 from Dell and get a $100 statement credit from Amex so it was a no brainer.
try brightness on 90% with creator mode srgb or fps mode 80%.
Maybe try low refresh rate to see if your eyes are on the way out and can't handle high refresh rate with saturated colours
Interesting. I will try that on the MSI 360 version when I Get it. It's possible that QD Oled at 360 is bothering some peoples eyes.... We will see!
found any info on 32" having the same eye strain issue?
The 4k one? I haven't tried it but I didn't hear that as much in the forums. Albeit I didn't research it extensively.
I figured it out, 3rd gen panels have higher incidence of bad enough flicker out of box for it to be complained about. 1st gen has it too but to a bit smaller degree which was enough for it to not be talked about.. I think there were also a lot of people who missed out on buying 1st gen and really wanted 3rd to be perfect so any negatives came to light that much more.
Did you just compare pg27aqn with aw2725df? I have seen the rtings video where they showed checkboard test comparison and local dimming comparison and rated asus around 5.9 in checkerboard test and 3.5 in local dimming test compared to 10 rating given to Alienware monitor... Are you saying that rtings test is false and there is no blooming around the bright objects in asus monitor like they are claiming on their site..? They are not claiming it, there is actual side by side comparison and asus did horrible..
Thank you for best review
Did Pixel Shift bother playing games?
It actually didn't bother me at all but I could see how some people might be bothered by. The horrific pain bothered me though :)!
@@ZorzGaming Either a desk with adjustable height or a monitor arm would be ideal in your case. Also what's your height? Maybe you're just an extremely tall man?
Thanks brother. Yah I have an elite monitor arm on my other desk which currently is being occupied by a giant tv. I am not an extremely tall man, just an extremely Zorz Man, like you. I'm only 5'10. @@Shadowsmoke11
Whats the highest refresh you can use at native 1440p without DSC? Could you not change it in CRU?
Cant turn of DSC no matter what as far as I could tell - hugely unfortunate. Not with Display Port.
would you get this for $774 or the alienware 500hz for $344? (for context i have a 27" 4k160hz mini LED mainly got for work but game too)
Some smaller YT dude who reviewed this monitor claimed that increasing the brightness fixed the eye strain for him, seems counter intuitive but worth a try. Something something about the dimming.
I read about it and tried it and it didn't work for me... I feel like the issue might be coating, but also could just be peoples different eyes reacting differently.
@@ZorzGaming ok too bad! Please make a update if you figure it out. Guess I’ll wait for the MSI to be available and see if it’s the same. In that case it’s probably the coating like you say and we are shit out of luck.
We gonna find out, thats for sure! Also maybe they can make a WOLED with a slightly glossier panel!@@tommyknaggard6298
your videos are awesome man. never stop making them.
Thank you so much! Got a little sidetracked by a death in the family, but I'm getting back on the horse! Stay Zorz!
@@ZorzGaming take all the time you need. fam comes first. sorry for the loss.
@@balin1 Thank you!
Do you recomend using hdmi 2.1 cable vs dp port?
is this better then the lg oled 240hz
I play warzone mainly competitive
For competitive its close between those two. Using the HDMI 2.1 port on this does nothing. Using it on the LG does everything!!!
I decided to go for the new msi 27oled 360hz i think its unbeatable at this point
@@FearNoPlayI can't find a place to buy it!
So I tried all the previous generation oleds including the LG C3. The eye strain was present on the older models as well, I think it's worse on these generations because more people are noticing that weren't sensitive enough previously. The LG C3 had the least amount of eye strain and it also had the best coating. The LG panels didn't have as much eye strain as the QD-OLEDs so it makes me curious to see if they keep the coating the same on the new 4k models later this year.
In conclusion I ended up keeping my AW2721D because it just wasn't worth it. Almost kept an Asus PG32UQX but even on a huge discount it was still too much for not enough improvement. However, the PG32UQX was the best HDR monitor by far. Whatever Asus has done with newer firmware, the blooming is extremely controlled and the HDR brightness is unlike anything else in the monitor market. The monitor hit nits that my 85" X95K miniLED does, except it's two feet away from you and hits you like a brick wall. lol.
Oh, and no eye strain on the miniled monitors. So I'm waiting for more miniLED options to become available.
I'm back on a CRT. Fuck it.
@@ZorzGaming I think you're onto something with how the coatings refract light and how that could lead to eye strain.
48" LG C1 = 4
AW2721D = 6
55" Samsung QLED = 8
85" X95K MiniLED = 8
The LG definitely causes me the most eye strain over time. I had quite a bit of it on the AW3423dwf even though it had more refractions. Could still be apart of the equation. No eye strain on my flicker free AW2721D/Samsung QLED or PWM miniled display. While I had the PG32UQX, I had no eye strain with that either even though it was also PWM.
So I guess some of us have to lean into the miniLED department because OLED for whatever reason is causing eye issues.
If / when you do another monitor, you should include your findings of refractions and see if there's a pattern.
Thanks for the video.
@@DrakonR Thank you for continuing to investigate!
On the eyestrain issue I had to return the AW3432dw because it would flicker with VRR enabled not enough to see with the naked eye but it was still affecting me. Interestingly you can see the flicker clearly on camera in fact you can see it in your video at 17:48-17:52. If some one has access to a high speed camera or photosensor they could test if there is PWM dimming of the pixels I know Samsung's LCD TVS use 960HZ strobing to dim the backlight so it could be the oled is doing something similar.
It could be what you are saying, VRR flicker, but the flickering during that part of the video is more likely due to the refresh rate of the screen not matching the recording rate of the camera from when he started recording that segment of the video. It happens all of the time on the news and in youtube videos that show screens. Even some room lights do it because the frequency of the lights is out of step with the recording rate.
@@elvnmagi9048 I have owned an aw3423dwf and have seen the same flicker in person. its not as pronounced in person but its there in dark scenes and menus.
I don't think its VRR flicker cause I Had VRR totally off. PWM dimming might be the case.... Hard to tell.
I had VRR totally off so I think its probable that its this. @@elvnmagi9048
@@ZorzGaming After reading the TFT central review I think they solved it. Under Spectral Distribution they show the monitor has a blue light peak in the 415 - 455nm range which is supposedly harmful. My theory is the blue light peak plus the weirdness with the polariser and coating is putting a lot of stress on the eyes.
the Kensington lock saved my ass
First person to notice this award goes to YOU! Awesome! Stay Zorz!
I had this screen for a few days and sent it back. The text fringing was so bad I couldn't stand it (to the point where I could barely read the text in the monitor UI itself let alone windows), and it had a whole pile of dead pixels. Only plus side was 360hz and glossy OLED. I'll wait for a similar WOLED panel.
Matte display
I feel you.
Yah the WOLED is going to be matte unfortunately. @@tazboy1934
If you think the text clarity was bad do not buy a WOLED unless it’s 4K.
@@ZorzGaming nooooo why
I guess I'll have to suck it up and buy the 4K model. Kinda didn't want to because I already have a beauteous FO48U.
Idk about the green issue, but the asus just looked like it turned more blue? But idk what that setting is suppose to to tbh.
Things can be changed in settings and color profiles but it was really off so I had to mention it.
Just bought this monitor it's coming tomorrow, just found out the msi version does have real hdmi 2.1 so that's mean dsr would work with hdmi at 300hz? Shitt don't k ow if I should return it and wait and get the msi version, because I like dsr, do you think alienware could made a firmware update and add a option to remove dcs with displayport to 240 hz so you could enable dsr?
Possible. But the real issues are also the DCI-p3 being green, and the lack of DLDSR, not to mention the pain. Try it for a week and tell me what you think!
@@ZorzGamingI think I will return it and get the new msi version. It does have true hdmi 2.1 with 48 gbs speed so dldsr should work on hmi up to 300 hz?
In theory yes! I need to get it to test it!@@coolbvwes1
@@ZorzGamingI see on reddit that the alienware can do dldsr with hdmi 144hz and people can't get it to work with the msi version even with hdmi because dsc is always turned on even with hdmi on the msi.
It is !? That is LAME! Not cool man! @@coolbvwes1
Just curious if i were to return this monitor how long does the processing usually take because it would be a shame to have to wait an entire month to get a refund
I'll let you know cause I returned it! I think its a week after they receive it to get the money back!
Fingers Crossed, Just returned mine lets hope they don’t take forever to process them, everyone always praises dell for their warrantys i just hope the customer service for returns is as good.
ME Too! and I hate having to return I love Alienware. Alien Vision Man! @@-Lod
@@ZorzGaming Hey Zorz, Just Curious if the 540hz with dyac & the 360hz from MSI dropped the same day what one would you rather pick up?
540HZ Dyac2 baby. I wanna see if THE CRT MONITOR can finally be ... retired. Gently and lovingly and still played on, but retired :). @@-Lod
What the hell is panel health? I have this panel. Do I need to do something every so often to reset it to green?
Turn it off for a few mins every few hours, you’ll see the power button flash green for a few mins,
Which monitor u using now
27 inch its flat screen for those want it for fps games, for good aiming
I'm upgrading to this OLED from an LG L204WT-SF from like 2004 so I'm gonna be blown away no matter what!
Love your reviews.
Wish I'd gone with a 4060 or better when I upgraded last month but only chose a 3060 12GB. Should be fine for me, though.
Yah should be fine! And thank you so much. If you watched the whole thing though do you really wanna buy this? Huge risk to say the least. Course you can always return.
@@ZorzGamingYou were right about the eye strain as mentioned before but you were also right that the 3060 12GB is just fine. I'm not getting 100 FPS on very many new games but even 60-80fps is fast for me :)
Review the xl2586x please bro :)
I'm on it now! Shoulda had it out a month or two ago but life caught up to me!
@@ZorzGaming Waiting bro :(
I gave clash artifacts of chaos a go and wow it's amazing, just wondering how you got it to run so smoothly.. seem to be getting awful unreal engine stutter and microstuttering
What are your specs. You should replay the first Zeno Clash - It's old but its fucking fantastic! Thank you for watching!
@@ZorzGaming 4090/13700k , both stock, 32gb 6400mhz, it was an amazing gams but just so annoying constnstly stuttering, I do get this on other unreal engine 4 games to be fair. - I do have the first zeno clash ready to go and will play it soon.
@@fin4658 That sounds super odd and it shouldn't be happening. There's gotta be some setting to be played with cause we have basically the same computer....
I even have the Alienware 34 dwf ( thanks to your review ) but just had to deal with constant stuttering throughout my clash playthough.
Perhaps some sort of Nvidia setting causing problems
@@fin4658 That is really weird... try another dx to run it in???
Cool, I'm waiting for my MSI 27 with the same panel I'll try to follow up if I see any eye strain issues
Me too! I'm on the waiting list!
@@ZorzGaming Lucky enough, I just gott e-mail that it should arrive this Friday 😁
Oh really!? COOL! It shows sold out for me!@@meronique9
@@ZorzGaming yeah I live in Poland so demand for such bleeding edge/expensive monitors isn't as high I guess and I was lucky enough to pre-order the last available unit 😎 they said it should shipp late February/ early March so I was surprised when I got the e-mail. I'll need to prepare my setup for tomorrow :)
For the MSI? SICK! Very exciting! Can't get one here! @@meronique9
I have glasses the block blue light Lmaoo I had no idea why I wasn’t getting eye strain like everyone else
That totally makes sense! I should of tried that! I guess I thought TUV REHINLAND! had done their job ;)
@@ZorzGamingyea Ray-Ban eye glasses always have a option on their gen x transaction glasses for blue light filtering I usually go like 60-80% filtering it means I don’t get any eye strain from oled gama flicker or blue light implementations hence why I’m never sensitive to any issues in more monitors I am gona put on a pair of contact this weekend and try it out with my glasses see if I develop a headache and I’ll let you know
Yah try it without. Might not be a headache but more like a SUPER BRIGHT lights at night on the highway kinda strain feeling. Please let me know! Thanks! @@DivisionGrounds
Did you actually lose the eye pain from the firmware? cause the firmware was the same one that shipped! Also I reinstalled it too and it didn't work unless it came out today. @@DivisionGrounds
hail bro
I have 4070ti and 7900x3d do you think the aw2725df supports playing COD?
How do you have those components yet lack the brain cells to utilise them. The real question is how would it not support cod?
@@pearce_nzhahaha good question. Maybe he meant to ask if it would run at the full 360hz. I have similar components and I get 240fps with DLSS
@@pearce_nz Lets be nice :)
I would not get this monitor even if you have the crazy computer I have, but with yours definitely not cause it cant push the frames. Unless you're planning to upgrade soon!
Bravo - I am not a gamer - just a fan - and you are the most entertaing reviewer on RUclips period!! like @SuperMajinMaj says - keep doing you - you are the best
Thanks Lee! You are the best clearly if I'm so good :).
Im also not 'this kind of gamer' but am a VR gamer and wondered if you'd do a review and comparison of the Oculus 2 and 3, as well as a comparison/differences between the applePro? Hate to dumb ya dwn and make you slum it but.... legit wld love your spin on VR tech??? @@ZorzGaming
Bro I would love to! Thank you for the kind words! I actually am still using my PIMAX 8K which I haven't been using lately but still have. I would need them to send me these products because money is too tight to buy them all. Start a petition! @@thebean6928
Good afternoon people. I need a 360hz ips monitor for fps games, can you help me choose one? Thanks.
ASUS PG27AQN seems to be the only option
Asus 360 for sure. Easy Choice.
I think the eye strain issue might be the pixel dimming scheme. It can make things constantly go from ultra bright to not so bright, and that will constantly make your iris have to open and close, which will cause eye strain. Probably why he was getting spots in the eyes, because it's dimmer one second, so his iris's are more open, then it's brighter the next, so you get slammed with that extra light while your iris's are more open. I don't think PWM would be an issue with such a high refresh rate. It isn't even really PWM on OLED, because PWM is an LCD backlight thing, not OLED. Since OLED is the backlight, the "PWM" is the refresh rate.
Can you confirm if VRR works over HDMI 2.1?
Writing that down now for future reviews.
@@ZorzGaming I tested it and it works now on HDMI 2.1 with butter smooth bandwith that it provides. Thanks for that tip.
@@RaizuYT-vb5sv Awesome!
I need that shirt.
ZORZ! Thanks for noticing! Metroid is in my top 5 games of all time. Yah, believe it or not it was at fucking TARGET! of all places... Get you one!
Interesting stuff bro. The eye strain thing is a big thing and not going to buy this monitor for that
Yah I have to say ... I agree with that assessment.
Good review
Good Audience :) Thank you!
I have had this monitor for about 2 or 3 weeks. I experience that horrible eye strain. It hurts ALOT. It hits my brain differently then other things. Like how you go outside in the sun after being in the dark room for too long. Its worse and different than that even. its hard to explain. it goes away kinda with the non hdr setting. I also am using a display port cable. I still cant figure out how to get it to look close to my c1 LG as far as colors and black levels. Im thinking about sending it back
I'd strongly recommend sending it back. I had similar issue once and fucking glad i did also send back. Maybe look for the new lg oled panels that have the new sub pixel layout closer to rgb. In theory they should be easier for eyes and better text clarity, much closer to ips monitors but still not quite there.
@@jaybee0507 which monitors would fit this criteria?
Exactly! That's literally the feeling. Thinking about sending it back? Mine is already back. Thanks for Watching!
Yup. Mine is back. The only issue with the WOLEDs is the matte coating. @@jaybee0507
The 240hz widescreen thats new or the old 240 but WOLED has the mustard grain coating which was the only real downside.@@chillnspace777
For some reason the subtitles are not activated to see this review as it deserves, could someone give me a summary of whether it is finally worth it or whether it is better to wait for the msi QRX? I already reserved it but they haven't sent it to me yet so I can cancel it without any problem from Dell's website. I will use the monitor to browse chrome and play triple aaa games with the best possible graphics along with a 9700k and a 4070, very grateful for someone who can help me
The subtitles dont work? Try English Auto Generated. But long story short. No Don't buy it. Eye strain issue alone makes it iffy on top of the lack of HDMI 2.1 full bandwidth.
@@ZorzGaming It's strange, I can't activate them on my smartphone but I can on my PC, but getting back to the topic, if it doesn't cause visual fatigue and I limit the native hertz to less than 200 per display port (I should not use dsc in that case, I understand), This monitor is great in other aspects, right?
The DSC will still be on atleast as far as the driver is showing. It doesn't turn off ever. If the visual pain issue doesn't bother you and you dont care about DCI-P3 or DLDSR then yah its a great monitor @@FJAD94
@@ZorzGaming And how does DSC affect me if I always play 10-bit single-player games below 120 Hz? I will see the visual pain in person and as for the dci-p3 I don't think it will help me just to play or browse the web and the scaling I doubt I will barely use it since I have a 4070 and in 1440P for the most demanding games it won't work either very much in ultra.
The other question I have is the issue of having a fan that could fail one day and the monitor runs out of cooling when the msi will not have this problem but perhaps the msi cools worse, what experience do you have of the 34 inch dell versus the g8/pg27aqdm in this aspect of cooling?
thanks for all bro
Thanks for watching! No issue with the fan but that is going to take years to see which fans fail. THE DCI-P3 doesn't matter what card as far as performance it just effects the way the color works. DSC cant be turned off at all as far as I can see and also if you're doing 120hz you shouldn't waste a grand on this i Dont think... @@FJAD94
May I suggest you start reviewing gaming headsets.
I'm not a big audio guy but I could do one for fun perhaps :)
@@ZorzGaming the new PlayStation elite (pm compatible) are planar magnetic, so basically oled for headphones. Worth a look.
oooh interesting. I will try to check it out!@@paulcathcart7896
Now that matte screen doesn’t seem so bad eh?
Right!
How the fuck am I supposed to watch other people do monitor reviews now? Riddle me that.
How the fuck is someone supposed to comment something that makes me feel better about being alive than this comment now? Riddle me this.
I think I'mmona subscribe.
I think I like you!
Another great review brahhhh!! I’m still super happy with my 34 OLED I feel no real need to upgrade
I agree! I'm loving the thing. It's elite unless you're playing for money!
Maybe return and get the 360 msi oled it’s full bandwidth hdmi 2.1 48gbs
Literally the plan. I'm on the waiting list!
Can you run the MSI using HDMI 2.1 at 360hz without DSC?
@@themetamind9305 @ 2560 x 1440 x 360 hz in 10 but color comes to 47.78 GBs a second so yes
maybe not 360 but close. Have to get it and try custom resolutions! @@themetamind9305
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Thank you for being Zorz!! Glad you liked it. Can't get more serious than that huh :)!
Fantastic review. Was gonna buy it but I'm gonna hold off for now until some of its issues are fixed, either through a revision or firmware updates. The eye strain is the big one for me, since I'd be using it for many hours at a time
I keep my eyes closed while using the monitor and I haven't had issues
Deeply appreciate that dude! Remember the eye strain issue might not affect you. I really want to get to the bottom of this because there HAS TO BE A REASON, even if its something related to genetics. Welcome to the Zorz Nation!
Really? the compression gloves 🤣🤣
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This video is a masterpiece.
You're a fuc$ing masterpiece. Thank you my very good friend. Appreciate you as always!
Eye strain - I had this with my LG C1 55" OLED which I purchased about a year ago. My eyes got used to it.
Hopefully my eyes won't be affected by this. I haven't had a new monitor in 20 years.
If I can't get used to it, I'll return it and try again.
Sadly for sure you are going to be affected... I feel your pain, i want this monitor too but i can't because im so sensitive to oled flicker... I have a old C9 behind me and i can't use it because now, it destroy me eye when i look at it running... :(
I got the monitor yesterday. Yes. I feel like a heat and twisting sorta feeling in my eyes that my other displays don't cause.
I used it for a few hours on and off. My eyes started to get used to it. Display is awesome!
Purple hue is a non-issue with lights on, windows open, or with lights off in the room.
I will update later if I have gotten used to it or am sending back within the 30day window.
Didn't have it on any other OLED at any time... Try it and see.
Really? Interesting. My other 3 OLEDs never bothered me. Just this one. @@RoiPourpre
Sweet! @@PurpleSideBlack
If you want followers, do NOT rant at all! It's a waste of the viewer's LIMITED time and patience! Also, going over the basic spec that are readily available online / OME website is boring and time / patients waster! Clicking off now.
We should have never trusted the aliens 😭
I believe they can turn it around and make future probings fun ones!
lame, no hdr
It has HDR, I talked about it. It looks great but it doesn't make up for the rest of the monitor issues.
@@ZorzGaming not the monitor, but this uploaded video not record in hdr
Got it! It was actually filmed in Apple Log Pro Res most of it. I'm still learning about it! I can try the Apple LOG HDR option next and see howt that works out!@@hakimasrar5899
ive been using this monitor for the past days now and no flickering, no eye strain
That's awesome. I still don't know exactly what caused it or why some people are bothered and some aren't.
I always thought my Asus PG27AQN was a bad purchase, IPS glow was terrible and I had a dead pixel, everything else was grate, but I’ve gone Oled now and I can’t go back.
I hear you dude! I think the 34inch OLED 165hz DWF alienware is the best one there is currently!
How much better is it bc I was leaning towards that monitor.. it’s the 1440 360hz right
Great review, Zorz!
Will you review any of the 4K 32'' 240hz monitors by any chance? The Asus Rog Swift PG32UCDM is the one who interest me the most personally.
I would absolutely love too just not sure I have the Budget for it. Unlike the guys with hundreds of thousands of subs its all my limited funds. Unless someone wants to send it to me...
Same eye strain issue. Good luck with the return. They have had mine for 27 days without issuing a refund.
Interested if you can review the 32" 4k qd oled's. Want to see if the eye strain issue.
@@aaronlassila1835They refunded me about a week after they received it. That really sucks!
@@aaronlassila1835I'd love to but I can't afford to front them.
The streets have been waiting for the review to drop zorz, best most in depth one yet. I got impatient and got this monitor upgrading from a 180hz lg ips and I’m blown away. One thing I heard in another review is the guy fixed his eye strain by turning brightness up over 85 percent in sdr. I keep it brightness at about 85 percent (something about pwm dimming on this panel) and I don’t notice any eye strain using this thing but it’s important to bring up. I was also wondering what settings you use in SDR for the best visibility in fps titles? Do you keep g sync on or off?
I think you're one of the lucky ones! no brightness setting ( I tried 85 in sdr) did much of anything. I always keep G Sync off, especially for this testing. I really appreciate your words. If you're not having eyestrain. Don't use DLDSR and dont use DCI-P3 its fucking great...
Got the monitor, and yea it's pretty Zorz. But one thing I would like to add is that DSC also disables Integer Scaling, which is pretty useful for older games that dont support higher resolutions.
These new OLED monitors are amazing, but I feel they're not quite ready yet because we can only take full advantage of them with DP 2.1 or HDMI 2.1.
No eyestrain issues here btw. Cant wait for your next video dude!
Can you invest new mic? Audio seems low at my end when using mobile
You're not the only one. I watched on my television though, so I had to raise the volume quite high on my soundbar speakers xD
Best review ever :) (from South Korea) I play Rust Rust is like PUBG(not really but i have to explain so :>) Which monitor do you recomand to me? Asus pg27aqn or aw2725df ( I don't think i'll use ulmb2 even i buy pg27aqn i heard that makes eyes tired)
This monitor in review will make your eyes much more tired after prolonged use than the pg27aqn IPS.
@@pearce_nz damn i just ordered this monitor!!
@@dieowjdiowejijojoij No don’t be put off because it only has that effect on some people, the only way to tell is actually seeing the monitor.
@@pearce_nz I hope so. But if I happened to be one of them then I could just return it. Thanks!
Oled are not flicker free. Maybe the combination of the magenta tint, sub pixel structure and pulse on 360hz. i have qd led panel and i do not have the magenta reflection when light shine on the monitor. So maybe the layer, sub-pixel and the pulse of 360hz is the problem.
Now were onto something!! Magenta Reflection, and pulse of 360hz.. We need a fucking scientist to chime in or Alienware to figure it out!
The "flicker" OLED's have is very, very minimal (see Rtings tests). It's nothing like the full/near on-off cycle of other panel types with PWM. It's just a slight variance @ Hz. Some mobile amoleds do have a bad flicker though.
@@Cuthalu I honestly don't know whats causing it but I think having super sensitive eyes is the first big problem. Some people dont!
Informative and hilarious
Thank you!! ❤🧡🧡💛
Hello, are you planning to test the LG 27GS95QE-B?
Apparently the LG 27GS95UE-B, with a U, version is better
@@shrap8 Yo! I probably won't be testing that monitor. I know its damn good though if 240hz OLED is what you're looking for. Better brightness and issues fixed from the first edition.
this alienware or LG 27GR95 ? what is the best choice ? i think alienware because is most recent, not ?
Nope. Neither. I wouldn't get either at this point. I'd get the DWF Alienware 34 inch (non gsync) 1440 widescreen as the best all around monitor. If you want competitive look to Zowie and Dyac. Or the Asus 360 which does everything.
@99vv17 Yah also so far the 360 Alienware QD - Oled still caused me that significant eye strain pain...
Do you update the firmware to fix eye strain issue??
I updated even though it was the same one. I talked about it. Didn't do anything cause its the same one that shipped. The firmware still shows Jan 10 on the website.
Weird thing is that DLDSR works on my 27GR95QE over DisplayPort 1.4, which engages DSC. Kind of weird since NVIDIA themselves even say it’s incompatible. I use HDMI 2.1 anyway tho since it’s there.
I also had a severe eye strain on day 1. Second day wasn’t as bad. Just leaving comments for people doing research.
would u recommend alienware oled or the msi one?
@@clave2049 havent test the msi. I am returning the alienware the eye strain is really bad. Will test the msi once in stock.
@@BitMANcnftdamn is the eye strain really that bad? is there a way to reduce it?
@@clave2049 It seems to me either you are prone to it or you aren't. I got lucky, bought one and no eye strain for me.
@@theripper121are both msi and Aw prone to having it for some people?
Hi , thanks for your work ..
did you try the ICC profile made by a RUclipsr .(. Techless ) for eye strain .
It seem he make a calibration of the panel
I didn't! Damn I wish I had. Unfortunately I sent it back. I don't think we should need a profile to prevent literal pain though :)
Can you link to where I can find the ICC profile? I watched a couple of videos by Techless and checked the description of his vides but didn't see anything about an ICC profile. I am interested to try this!
@@AbyssArcher I don't have it on hand but if you find it let me know please!
Have you tested the other QD OLED panels at this size? Wondering if the issue persists I just cancelled the order for this after the review
I’m no Einstein like you but I think the 3 beam reflection might be because of the curve on the 34 inch
Think so? Shit I need another curved monitor to test that but I don't think so. LOL! We need the actual Einstein!
Unfortunately I think the problem is just the PWM flicker, which is abominable on this screen. Maybe you're more sensitive to the 360hz PWM than to the 175hz PWM of the ultra-wide... Have you tried playing at 144hz to see if it's better? On Oled, the PWM frequency changes according to the Hz used and normally the higher the hz, the less visible it is, but normally for it to be really invisible for 95% of people, the PWM has to be over 1000hz... Lol Anyway, thanks to you, I know I shouldn't buy it because I'm extremely sensitive to flicker... The Alienware QD-Oled ultra wide was already hurting my eyes...
Thanks for the kinds words. I didnt really try it on anything lower than 360, I will when I get the new MSI in for sure! Thank you for being Zorz!
I have the 360hz 27” IPS PG27AQN monitor would this be a upgrade over that for fps gaming?
I have both and i would say no
you people seem way smarter than I am so maybe you can help me - My Playstation 5 Wont do 144hz with a 2.1 cable (or at least I can't figure out why?) I have only tried Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade. Ran 144hz (120hz) on my 170hz IPS easily (but doesn't look anywhere near as good as this OLED)
Also about the eye strain thing - I haven't noticed any yet but I have only had this thing a few days now.
Thanks for the detailed video, will probably try out that Clash AoC game lol
Nevermind - I suppose final fantasy 7 intergrade only allots up to 60hz on PS5 (versus PC)