30 seconds into this video. This clips of the guide that you made looks SUPER impressive and I wish more people would make things like that with the level of detail and polish that you used.
this is such a cool video as ive been playing rise on and off for a while now and have never been good at builds, so getting all this info is awesome. thank you for the great video and all the work you put in
This is incredibly useful and well presented information. The time/effort you put into these videos and your written guide is really appreciated. Thank you so much J9.
Dude, how did you do this in just a few days, just the info, without having to do all the testing building and research would take most people weeks! So impressive and so helpful, thank you
Hulo! Auntie Madame Baked's community post sent me here! I'm just a simple gunner but I still thank you on behalf of all the Lancers for this informative video 😁🙏
As someone who is trying to master all weapons, this video is so nice. Gonna try lance for the first time in rise. Its the last of the weapons for me to play
for dragon, dheart+dragon conversion is better yes. but dheart is a bit uncomfy for most people. Also uptime in some anomaly is a bit hard cause bloodlight for other elements dragon conversion + furious is slightly better but only at god augment level. You need to be able to get a lot of resistances without losing any of the core skills
Thank you for this list of sets. I was looking into what I can transform my berserk build from since it's dps was low because it was too reliant on Shagaru/Sage lance. All I needed to do was change Hellfire for Resentment on my end. I have a 2 on berserk on a lucky talisman pull. ^-^
I started making builds in TU4 but I helped Chef with his progression guide and there we included progression builds for console players as well as links to TU3 endgame builds tinyurl.com/MHRiseLanceBible
You mentioned on your doc that maximum might is not efficient, but do you think that'd work with heaven sent? I'd love to test it but I haven't reached endgame yet
it does work yes. but it feels a bit like a gimmick. you need to play decent and have good knowledge on HS to make it work. Which is why I don't recommend it to everyone. CE is more consistent overall. Using MM will allow you to slot in a few more skills and if you feel confident you can for sure give it a try
Thank you for the great builds, just what i was looking for. One question though, which skills should i be replacing with mail of hellfire and strife when rolling quirous crafting?
I'm not sure about the guard 3 with no guard up in these sets, if we're going for Insta block, shouldn't we have at least one level of guard up to be able to insta block everything ?
I feel like guard up is just not that great in this game. It's 3 levels now and even at lvl 3 you still take damage for blocking those attacks. Most Attacks that need Guard up are very telegraphed or have clear and distinct start up animations. Meaning you are better off just getting out of the way or iframing it with sheathing retreat resulting in you not taking any damage at all. And for the cases where you see it too late or are stuck in an animation there's a few skills like Intrepid Heart or Heaven-Sent that can give you damage reduction. In some cases you take like less damage if you intentionally get hit by an unblockable with like Intrepid Heart 2 up than if you would with Guard Up 1 or 2. About how many levels of normal guard you take is just personal preference. There's people who instablock everything and need no guard or just guard 1. And then there's people like using a lot of guard. So I went with something inbetween. 3 is very comfy in my opinion since it allows you to guard/guard dash/shield tackle most attacks. and if you fail to instablock a high knockback attack you won't get punished as hard as you would with like guard 0 or 1. So if you prefer more guard you can always just replace some of the stuff with guard hope this helps a bit
yeah Lucent is second best rn. I did not forget about it. The thing is just there's not really much you can do with those slots anymore. You already can pretty much max out anything with a no slot weapon :| And second the poison damage from the lucent weapon is very bad. like super super bad. less than 20% uptime while Teo actually does decent blast damage. So unless you need those extra slots for more comfort skills I would just stick with the Teo one
@@J9_MH Why not use the Diablos Lance? Use heaven sent setup with max might 100% affinity is easy to get, only need 1 handicraft deco for purple sharpness. Can still fit in all of your skills too. I didn't even try for an optimum talisman just used my guard 5 recovery up 3 (3)(3)(1) talisman and threw a few things together. I can still replace a couple of parts and go for some reaugments too for more optimization.
yeah augments do take quite some resources to get but many players already have a lot of moh and bub augs from TU4. So usually 1 of them is enough to use the set and if you have a lot of mats you can max it out.
I tried it in TU3. it does work but it's not as great as it it's on bow or dual blades. But now with berserk talisman I think it might actually be decent since you can use good legs and arms
@@J9_MH thanks for the answer! I am still messing around gamecat and it seems fitting all the skills with berserk is quite hard as we still need lots of raw boosting. Dere 1 + 5 resent is more slot effective. Btw, is bloodrite really bad with dere? I am still not comfortable seeing my health dropping indefinitely like that. I am using your video for my css cb though, as they have more or less similar skill tax.
@@garlanramadhan4291 ehm idk how it is on CB. but on lance it does mess with strife uptime. so leaping thrust is 3 hits and when you heal to full on the first the health doesn't tick down before the second and third happen. meaning you don't have strife for the second and third hit. so usually I just go dere against monsters where I know the match up well. and have the bloodlust heal to stop my health from going to 0 over time
In my experience, there are two different hyperfocused element sets, one that relies on mail of hellfire, berserk, and strife, and one that relies on dereliction, furious, and dragon conversion, with an alternative to furious using dragonheart for dragon types. I was curious about these ideas in lance, but I didn’t see anything covering them. Up to 62.5 element from dragon conversion alone is hefty. Or 60% element from combining the full strife level with element attack and mail of hellfire is big too. I honestly have trouble imagining either of these sets aren’t the best way to build for elemental lances. The berserk set is godly when augments add ridiculous amounts of element (hammer) or the weapon needs stamina (DBs, bow), but then when the flat 62.5 element + dereliction is bigger, dragon conversion is big.
Yes you do. but I feel like guard up is just not that great in this game. It's 3 levels now and even at lvl 3 you still take damage for blocking those attacks. Most Attacks that need Guard up are very telegraphed or have clear and distinct start up animations. Meaning you are better off just getting out of the way or iframing it with sheathing retreat resulting in you not taking any damage at all. And for the cases where you see it too late or are stuck in an animation there's a few skills like Intrepid Heart or Heaven-Sent that can give you damage reduction. In some cases you take like less damage if you intentionally get hit by an unblockable with like Intrepid Heart 2 up than if you would with Guard Up 1 or 2. Also a lot of the endgame monsters have attacks that are true unblockables meaning you cannot even block them with guard up :|
Is mail of hellfire still relevant skill this late in the game? Seems like there are better skills to fill in those slots Also not sure why the devs didn’t make a deco avaliable for the skill. Makes it a lot harder to roll
what sets are you talking about? and which skills would you put? for ele sets it's huge since it's a 20% buff for 3 skill points. and for raw sets it gives you 15/25/35 raw. and there's not a lot of skills that give you around 10 raw per skill point invested
@@J9_MH I’m just asking,in general, with element exploit,strife, sneak attack and crit element. Just to make a few Like the MT, PP and home scale for sharpness of elemental dmg. Each has its purpose but might be an idea for a new video
@@ThePonderor 👍 so ele exploit is good in ele builds but usually 1 lvl is enough since the higher levels are a lot less. it's 10%/12.5%/15 for lvl 1/2/ strife is good in combination with dereliction or berserk. and all the dereliction builds have it. sneak attack is good against some monsters with decent tail hzv's and it's a skill you can add in your raw sets if you want to. crit ele 3 is good in ele sets and all my ele sets have it
it always has been viable on monsters where it works. well not the spamming part but there's plenty of monsters that have good skyward thrust openings where people use it on their main scroll. what is a good opening? you get at least 2 ticks, ideally all 3 and don't get punished for it. some monsters are just too small or fast so you either get punished or only hit 1 tick some good examples where skyward works well are rathian, chameleos, narwa, amatsu, malzeno, bazel ... but yeah skyward is more situational than like AR or spiral. also it needs good positioning and timing. but if you know what you're doing it's really strong
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30 seconds into this video. This clips of the guide that you made looks SUPER impressive and I wish more people would make things like that with the level of detail and polish that you used.
this is such a cool video as ive been playing rise on and off for a while now and have never been good at builds, so getting all this info is awesome. thank you for the great video and all the work you put in
This is incredibly useful and well presented information. The time/effort you put into these videos and your written guide is really appreciated.
Thank you so much J9.
thanks Sunny
My man, I was waiting for you to create a new info sheet since I saw the one you made for TU4. So much detailed information
This is so informative and dense with information, it's exactly what I needed. Thank you for making this.
Dude, how did you do this in just a few days, just the info, without having to do all the testing building and research would take most people weeks! So impressive and so helpful, thank you
no sleep 😔
Hulo! Auntie Madame Baked's community post sent me here! I'm just a simple gunner but I still thank you on behalf of all the Lancers for this informative video 😁🙏
As someone who is trying to master all weapons, this video is so nice. Gonna try lance for the first time in rise. Its the last of the weapons for me to play
Always last….
Just what I needed. Kudos for the music choice too.
Superb vid. I will certainly be using those ele dereliction builds when I reach risen shaggy
Ty for the great video, awesome 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your handwritten guide. It's exceptionally well structured and easy to read. So thanks for your efforts :)
oh yeah and on a side note a little question. Is a elemental build with Dragon Conversion/Dragon Heart better then Mail of Hellfire?
for dragon, dheart+dragon conversion is better yes. but dheart is a bit uncomfy for most people. Also uptime in some anomaly is a bit hard cause bloodlight
for other elements dragon conversion + furious is slightly better but only at god augment level. You need to be able to get a lot of resistances without losing any of the core skills
Thank you for this list of sets. I was looking into what I can transform my berserk build from since it's dps was low because it was too reliant on Shagaru/Sage lance. All I needed to do was change Hellfire for Resentment on my end. I have a 2 on berserk on a lucky talisman pull. ^-^
Just got into lance this is very helpfull
Exactly the video I was waiting on 🎉! Thanks ❤
I was waiting for this. Thank you!
Thanks for making a video about it!
Thank you for the information 🙏🏽
Great video and the document is excellent. Do you have one for TU3 as I’m on PS5?
I started making builds in TU4
but I helped Chef with his progression guide and there we included progression builds for console players as well as links to TU3 endgame builds
tinyurl.com/MHRiseLanceBible
I don't even like Lance but goddamn feels good to find a Lance main
I am a lance main myself. Always and forever. Feels great to go toe to toe with the monster and shrug off their attacks like nothing
You mentioned on your doc that maximum might is not efficient, but do you think that'd work with heaven sent?
I'd love to test it but I haven't reached endgame yet
it does work yes. but it feels a bit like a gimmick. you need to play decent and have good knowledge on HS to make it work. Which is why I don't recommend it to everyone. CE is more consistent overall. Using MM will allow you to slot in a few more skills and if you feel confident you can for sure give it a try
Thank you for the great builds, just what i was looking for. One question though, which skills should i be replacing with mail of hellfire and strife when rolling quirous crafting?
what do you mean with replacing? I think I marked the ones where you can use skills+. otherwise just use normal augment
@@J9_MH ohhh, i see, i misunderstood. thank you for clarifying!
u earn a subs here. i need more that spreadsheet for all kinds of weapon !!!!!! u are a lifesaver !!!!!
unfortunately I'm not very good at the other weapons
Document still says AR lasts 20 seconds, it was buffed to 30 this update btw
oh I thought I changed it :|
thank you for letting me know 👍
Now that the final update for sunbreak is out does pred malzeno change the meta? Anyone?
I'm not sure about the guard 3 with no guard up in these sets, if we're going for Insta block, shouldn't we have at least one level of guard up to be able to insta block everything ?
I feel like guard up is just not that great in this game. It's 3 levels now and even at lvl 3 you still take damage for blocking those attacks. Most Attacks that need Guard up are very telegraphed or have clear and distinct start up animations. Meaning you are better off just getting out of the way or iframing it with sheathing retreat resulting in you not taking any damage at all. And for the cases where you see it too late or are stuck in an animation there's a few skills like Intrepid Heart or Heaven-Sent that can give you damage reduction. In some cases you take like less damage if you intentionally get hit by an unblockable with like Intrepid Heart 2 up than if you would with Guard Up 1 or 2.
About how many levels of normal guard you take is just personal preference. There's people who instablock everything and need no guard or just guard 1. And then there's people like using a lot of guard. So I went with something inbetween. 3 is very comfy in my opinion since it allows you to guard/guard dash/shield tackle most attacks. and if you fail to instablock a high knockback attack you won't get punished as hard as you would with like guard 0 or 1. So if you prefer more guard you can always just replace some of the stuff with guard
hope this helps a bit
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What do you think is better for the dereliction build, AB4+Burst1 or Burst3 no AB. Thank you!
it's ok to drop Burst 3->1 if that allows you to fit AB4. I do it in the HS builds as well
I think the Lucent Narga Lance is better than Taostra simply due to slotting. But that's just me. I can sacrifice 5 raw for t4 t2 deco slots all day.
yeah Lucent is second best rn. I did not forget about it. The thing is just there's not really much you can do with those slots anymore. You already can pretty much max out anything with a no slot weapon :|
And second the poison damage from the lucent weapon is very bad. like super super bad. less than 20% uptime while Teo actually does decent blast damage. So unless you need those extra slots for more comfort skills I would just stick with the Teo one
@@J9_MH Why not use the Diablos Lance? Use heaven sent setup with max might 100% affinity is easy to get, only need 1 handicraft deco for purple sharpness. Can still fit in all of your skills too. I didn't even try for an optimum talisman just used my guard 5 recovery up 3 (3)(3)(1) talisman and threw a few things together. I can still replace a couple of parts and go for some reaugments too for more optimization.
Thank u, but its rlly hard to get the nice to have and augments skill hahah
yeah augments do take quite some resources to get but many players already have a lot of moh and bub augs from TU4. So usually 1 of them is enough to use the set and if you have a lot of mats you can max it out.
For my builds with 3 Heaven sent I have been running maximum might gems instead of crit eye gems. I don’t have lvl4 crit eye gems yet
yeah if you can keep the effect active for a long time it's good. otherwise I think CE is just better
if you like using Max Might you can also try the bazel lance. has 10 more raw than teo but needs max might for the affinity
@@J9_MH I will def try that out. I have been only using corn magnamalo for raw, I never even considered any other lance until watching this
Does berserk not viable for elemental lance?
I kinda like berserk more for its safety if it built right.
I tried it in TU3. it does work but it's not as great as it it's on bow or dual blades. But now with berserk talisman I think it might actually be decent since you can use good legs and arms
@@J9_MH thanks for the answer! I am still messing around gamecat and it seems fitting all the skills with berserk is quite hard as we still need lots of raw boosting. Dere 1 + 5 resent is more slot effective.
Btw, is bloodrite really bad with dere? I am still not comfortable seeing my health dropping indefinitely like that.
I am using your video for my css cb though, as they have more or less similar skill tax.
@@garlanramadhan4291 ehm idk how it is on CB. but on lance it does mess with strife uptime. so leaping thrust is 3 hits and when you heal to full on the first the health doesn't tick down before the second and third happen. meaning you don't have strife for the second and third hit.
so usually I just go dere against monsters where I know the match up well. and have the bloodlust heal to stop my health from going to 0 over time
In my experience, there are two different hyperfocused element sets, one that relies on mail of hellfire, berserk, and strife, and one that relies on dereliction, furious, and dragon conversion, with an alternative to furious using dragonheart for dragon types. I was curious about these ideas in lance, but I didn’t see anything covering them. Up to 62.5 element from dragon conversion alone is hefty. Or 60% element from combining the full strife level with element attack and mail of hellfire is big too.
I honestly have trouble imagining either of these sets aren’t the best way to build for elemental lances. The berserk set is godly when augments add ridiculous amounts of element (hammer) or the weapon needs stamina (DBs, bow), but then when the flat 62.5 element + dereliction is bigger, dragon conversion is big.
how much attack or damage % is the teo lance better against scorn lance?
I like my slots and I don't want to lose it.
only around 3%. If you looking for slots I recommend lucent with rampage slot upgrade. It has 4-2 slot and is between teo and scorned in terms of raw
@@J9_MH Would you augment the Lucy lance the same?
@@AngryShibaKing you would go rampage slot upgrade and then the rest attack
dont you need at least guard up 1 for unblockables?
Yes you do. but I feel like guard up is just not that great in this game. It's 3 levels now and even at lvl 3 you still take damage for blocking those attacks. Most Attacks that need Guard up are very telegraphed or have clear and distinct start up animations. Meaning you are better off just getting out of the way or iframing it with sheathing retreat resulting in you not taking any damage at all. And for the cases where you see it too late or are stuck in an animation there's a few skills like Intrepid Heart or Heaven-Sent that can give you damage reduction. In some cases you take like less damage if you intentionally get hit by an unblockable with like Intrepid Heart 2 up than if you would with Guard Up 1 or 2.
Also a lot of the endgame monsters have attacks that are true unblockables meaning you cannot even block them with guard up :|
Is mail of hellfire still relevant skill this late in the game? Seems like there are better skills to fill in those slots
Also not sure why the devs didn’t make a deco avaliable for the skill. Makes it a lot harder to roll
what sets are you talking about? and which skills would you put?
for ele sets it's huge since it's a 20% buff for 3 skill points. and for raw sets it gives you 15/25/35 raw. and there's not a lot of skills that give you around 10 raw per skill point invested
@@J9_MH I’m just asking,in general, with element exploit,strife, sneak attack and crit element. Just to make a few
Like the MT, PP and home scale for sharpness of elemental dmg. Each has its purpose but might be an idea for a new video
@@ThePonderor 👍
so ele exploit is good in ele builds but usually 1 lvl is enough since the higher levels are a lot less. it's 10%/12.5%/15 for lvl 1/2/
strife is good in combination with dereliction or berserk. and all the dereliction builds have it.
sneak attack is good against some monsters with decent tail hzv's and it's a skill you can add in your raw sets if you want to.
crit ele 3 is good in ele sets and all my ele sets have it
Is skyward spam still not viable?
it always has been viable on monsters where it works. well not the spamming part but there's plenty of monsters that have good skyward thrust openings where people use it on their main scroll. what is a good opening? you get at least 2 ticks, ideally all 3 and don't get punished for it. some monsters are just too small or fast so you either get punished or only hit 1 tick
some good examples where skyward works well are rathian, chameleos, narwa, amatsu, malzeno, bazel ...
but yeah skyward is more situational than like AR or spiral. also it needs good positioning and timing. but if you know what you're doing it's really strong
What the heck why no evade extender 3...
you like back hopping to camp?
@@J9_MH I like carting to camp
@@MadameBaked Oh in that case you should ask juzzi for build video. He is pro expert carter
hm not able to download the pdf, any reasons for that? maybe gdrive being a betch
hmm I tried as well and it doesn't seem to work. maybe it's because of the GIFs. you could try to make a copy and delete them and try again idk
@@J9_MH let me try on desktop, will update u
@@J9_MH seems like a cookie issue but i could not get it to work. so i selected print-> as a pdf instead, which worked. thanks for the guide.