NEW Nissan Frontier (PRO-4X): Why you SHOULDN'T BUY a NEW TACOMA
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Today I review a 2023 Nissan Frontier PRO-4X!
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I just towed about 6,000lbs with my Frontier Pro-4X and it hovered around 2K rpm! Never broke a sweat! I was totally impressed! Had the truck for two years and no issues at all. Love the truck and glad I went withe Pro-4X over the other 4cyl variants!
I bought a base model frontier last year. So far only 11,500 miles and I love it. Best car I’ve owned!
Good gas mileage, comfortable ride, good build quality.
Me too man! S trim 4x4 2023 gun metal and I love it. Great truck! Congratulations
i had a nissan frontier nismo. i loved the truck and wished i kept it but i let my sister drive it and she decided to smoke in it. put a burn in my seat and cigarette ash all over the door. i left the sunroof open and it snowed the next day. messed up the sunroof and got rid of it cuz i was so upset about it. i regret it. but im trying to get a better paying job now so i can buy a newer one!
V6 ? 3.8 ? What is the gas mileage?
@@bobafatt2155 I’m getting about 22 mpg.
@@St.Irenaeus great choice man !! Congrats
I have a 2022 in the same color and bedbar. This truck does everything well. Its a throwback to a simpler time. I’m averaging 20 mpg with very little Highway miles.
I love my ‘23 P4X in every way, except for the adaptive cruise control. This truck blows the doors off my ‘20 Tacoma 4x4 Offroad. When I heard what Tacoma was planning on doing with the Tacoma, I didn’t even want to wait to see it. I’m not into 4 cylinder engines in trucks, turbo or not. All the Tacoma needed was an updated look inside and out, plus a few extra ponies from their V6 and an 8 or 9 speed tranny. Good review Ben. You hit it spot on IMO.
love the fact the information center isnt to busy.....
Too
Amen
The issue is people don't view trucks like trucks anymore. They were purpose built vehicles previously now they are bought as regular family vehicles. I miss the days where you could buy ones with vinyl floors and interior that you could hose out when it's dirty along with very little technology. The more tech that is put in a truck eventually turns to expensive repairs and its not what a truck was meant to be IMO. The new frontier is the closest thing to an older new truck that we have.
Just get a base model? Also plenty of brands that offer cheaper workaholic models
View trucks like trucks? What is a truck? Trucks “were” something, then like everything else, they evolved and changed along with people’s needs and wants. Trucks today don’t need to be trucks of yesterday, because it’s not yesterday. There are simple trucks. Not many. Because they’re not what most people want/need. Businesses serve the majority, because that’s who pays the bills. Hence manuals disappearing. Also, some of the tech and niceties are enjoyable. Truck people should allow themselves some enjoyment. You can get the chores done, not bang up your vehicle, and drive home with a warm ass, and still maintain your dignity lol.
@@thedarkestrainbow This.
All new vehicles have gotten so expensive. To fight that, they should offer a bare bones model that deletes things such as power seats, power windows, perhaps even air conditioning as an option. A bare bones Frontier or Tacoma should be able to sell for under 27,000. I bet they'd sell like hotcakes.
I realize it's a two month old comment, but part of that is because it's not practical for many families to have a truck dedicated to "truck stuff" and a separate vehicle for everything else. Sometimes the truck has to do double duty as your daily driver AND truck stuff on the weekends.
Honestly at this point
Whenever I want to see a review for a car, I search up Ben at the end of it
Your reviews are way shorter than everyone else’s and cover exactly what we want. Its perfect. Great stuff man
We just bought one. It is fantastic. The entire family used the last Frontier purchased in 2005. They will use this one too, for transorting mulch for home landscaping, for camping and hauling all their toys. We live in a rural area, and we do need the off-toad capabilities. The deeper bed is welcome. Our previous Frontier had a moderate amount if rust on it, because we looked after it and it was stored in our garage. The front seats are fantastic and comfortable.
Best midsize in the market. V6. Hydraulic steering. Hard toggle switches for everything. Mean looking.
This will be my new truck after my Tacoma lease is up. Love the taco but Toyota is playing games by keeping supply low and prices up.
I bought a 2020 Frontier because like anyone else I could read the tea leaves on the small displacement turbos coming soon across the industry. I’m glad I did get in while I could. We have small displacement turbo trucks at work and they are not what a truck used to be quality and reliability wise. This will probably be my last truck at my age and have zero interest in the over tech wave that’s now here.
Earlier this year I bought a new colorado WT (2nd gen) and I went to my parents house to surprise my dad because I hadn’t told them. When I got there, he surprised me. Because he bought a new pro4x without telling me. Needless to say we were both surprised and showing off our rigs! But I’m definitely jealous of his pro4x, it’s an awesome truck. Would have considered if it was in my price range.
Man that looks really good. It’s cool to know that truck was built about 25 to 30 minutes from me in canton Mississippi. I have grown to really like this truck the more I see them.
I just rented a Frontier for 3 days. The good: power, brakes, handling, mileage. The bad: heavy steering when going slow (I quickly got used to it), harsh suspension that bottoms easily, direct injection engine with no port injection to keep the intake valves clean.
I found it odd that when i would get in the truck to drive the seat was reclined from where i left it. This happened several times. Researched it on the internet and many others had the same issue. The concensus was that the recline lever is getting depressed when exiting.
The frontier is definitely the last simple utility truck on the market. No turbos, no complicated nannies. Just a (hopefully) affordable and reliable truck.
That's what I'm looking for also but I do love the light bar and maybe some nice off road tires as well. Nothing to expensive.
Thanks for that great review video on the Frontier !! Yes indeed is an amazing, excellent truck !!
Thumbs up if you believe the Frontier is the perfect blend of ruggedness and practicality!
A big fan of physical buttons for media controls
Love the naturally aspirated 3.8L V6! Great review as always. Wish Nissan offered the Pro-4x in the King Cab. Thanks!
Apparently the Canadians do get that.
Any carbon buildup issues? I’m reading about transmission not being that great on the 22s
I just got my 2023 Pro4x in June. Has all 4 packages and all accessories options. The only thing that is missing is the rear bumper drop down step. I love my pro4x..I got mine for 47,700.00. I worked the Dealer some, they were great to me, and I get lifetime oil changes for free, but I change my own.
Nice....was 47,700 OTD? I'm about to negotiate for one and I'm curious as to how much wiggle room there might be.
@@joemarchand8313 OTD was 50k. 2200.00 in tax. I traded in my 2018 Forester XT with 37k miles it was mint cond, Dealer gave me 26k for it.
I love my 2023 P4X, I got mine for $46,800, was able to get 1,000 off msrp. Was able to find a dealer that offers a truly unlimited mile lifetime warranty for as long as I own the vehicle! My only issue with my truck is the driver seat controls, I wish they could’ve moved the controls lower bc I hit them about everytime getting in and out of the truck, which moves the back of my seat back, kind of annoying to me lol
The last V6... The last reliable pick up...
Honda Ridgeline??
@martincadenas5839 Ridgeline is not a traditional body on frame truck...
@@martincadenas5839Not a truck.
It’s a truck. Has the same payload and towing capacity as any midsize. Just drives like an SUV. And incredible on gas. My buddy gets 29MPG on his
Okay boomer
I love the way the new frontier looks. When I was buying a new truck earlier this year, it came down to it and the Tacoma. I ended up going with the Tacoma. A big reason why is the long-term value of the vehicle, the frontier is nice though.
Good choice. Long-term value is the key.
Resale only matters if you trade often. The Tacoma doesn't even compare to the frontier in terms of power train and build.
@@scott8238 oh....there he is...the cant afford a Tacoma guy so im here talk shit...lol
@@DIGITALCITY-wn4byoh…there he is….the I gobble too much Tacoma dong guy so I’m here to talk shit….lol
@@DIGITALCITY-wn4by Im a toyota journeyman tech by trade so I get to drive these turds daily when they come to shop for a new frame engine ect.
We own both a Tacoma and have had a SV premium long bed for about 4 months now. The Frontier is nice, but even as a new truck vs our Tacoma with almost 62 k, the truck doesnt feel as well built. Its definitely a more refined experience, but with 8k on the odometer we're already starting to hear squeaks and rattles coming in from the trim. And while they advertise best in class HP, it certainly doesnt feel like it. The taco still feels just about even in terms of speed. Not sure if its the tuning or what, but you'd think the 3.8 would have been quicker. Either way, we still like the vehicle alot, and its much more comfortable to be in than the Tacoma. Reliability will be determined further down the road
I smoke your taco anytime with my pro x 😂😂😂
I had a 2017 trd sport that i drove for over three years. The power difference in the new Nissan Frontier is night and day. Not sure how you came to these results.
@@NuffsI agree. I test drove a 23 pro 4x and was immediately amazed with the power and shifting of the frontier vs our Tacoma trd sport . Night and day difference.
@@teke237but the quality is noticeably different. Nissan feels and looks cheap
Best looking mid size truck by a country mile and is probably reliable. I’d go with a 2 or maybe 3 inch lift just to get it up a bit and put in a kick ass speaker system and you’re golden imo
I hope / expect to buy a Frontier or Tacoma or Ranger in the next couple of years. The reasons listed in this video will make Frontier a contender for me. Just gotta breath deep and decide when to spend the big $$$ for any of them.
Go for the frontier
You hit the nail on the head with this video.
If only you could get a model with a locking diff and a long bed. The locking diff not being available on the sv trim is what kills the frontier as an option for me.
SV is not the off road version. Get the PRO4X you won't regret it. It has the Diff locker
Only real issue I have is the tow capacity, would love it if it was closer to the Ranger or Colorado/Canyon.
If they offered a long bed in the pro 4x I'd be interested. But like all the other 1/4 ton manufacturers, they want to give you this dinky little 5ft bed you can't do anything with. Tacoma is literally the only company that makes all thier trims with the long bed aside from the trd pro. And I guess the two new hybrid models.
But I can get a off-road with a 6ft bed, making it the winner to me.
Nice look and improvements on the Frontier. They needed it. I thought about the new Frontier but I drive my vehicles for at least 200k miles. Opted for the 2023 Tacoma TRD Off Road for the long haul.
Frontier would have lasted that long as well.
there’s a RUclips vid of an 07 Frontier making it 1 Million miles
@@BradTheBrobariannot the new generation (gen 3)
The new generation will do a lot more than 200k miles for sure
When will you get to drive the 2024 Tacoma? Looking forward to your driving impressions.
I'd still like to see one trim up like the "Warrior" prototype to compete with the Raptor, Bison and others.
Frontier and the Titan are the most underrated trucks.
2024 frontier, Colorado, and ranger are all great amazing. But the frontier is the only truck with the v6 for a good price. Wtf did Chevy think not having a v6? I love the Colorado, but am leaning towards the ranger lariat for the v6 or maybe just get the frontier. Question. Is 4 whell drive important? Or the pro x 2 wheel drive better? I am using this for work, and will go to the mountains
Great truck but man I wish it was a bit more insulated, the interior is a little flimsy, otherwise perfect.
I'm not a fan of Toyota these days because of their absurd pricing and inventory f*ckery since covid. I've owned 2 previous gen Frontiers and I loved them both. It's currently my favorite midsize truck, however, I'm getting tired of people blindly speculating about the next gen Tacoma's reliability with ZERO evidence. The damn thing isn't even available to drive yet and its long term reliability won't be known for years. Maybe just hold off on making baseless claims and wait and see how it actually turns out.
Nice truck, but no power sliding rear window, even on the pro 4x. Its a small thing, but as a driver I can't reach it to open or close it on the Nissan. On the tacoma its power, so I can open or close it anytime while driving.
GREAT VIDEO BEN. THANKS FOR SHARING.
I would have bought the Pro 4X if it was offered in a long bed. Bought a 2024 SV 4x4 Crew Cab long bed instead. Beautiful mid size truck. The V6 is as smooth as silk. The ergonomics remain truck like. No Tesla dash. My second Frontier. My 2012 was bulletproof for 11 years and a 160K miles. Personally, I wouldn't want a juiced up 4-banger in a truck.
Nissan needs to bring back the Xterra, based on this.
There some nice trails in Nevada I'd love to Explore with that Nissan! I have been looking at those lately.
Problem with Nissan is no aftermarket support and if so very little.
I’ve been considering these, but that payload capacity for rigging out with a pop-up camper is practically non-existent at a wimpy 1050 lbs. it is just horrendously low.
The new Tacoma pricing is going to be high as F! I’m thinking 10,000 more then the 2023 models or more. No thanks on that Bullshit
I have seen the prices and it’s really depends which one. The trd pro and trial hunter will be expensive, same as 2023 trd pro
High price for a truck that is being built in Mexico ? Toyota Paying for cheaper labor and screwing us the consumers plus the mark ups at the dealerships?
With that VQ engine is a Beast.
🎉🎉🎉
True it's cheaper. The strongest feature is what you get for the price when new. But the Toyota will retain value far better.
Nice looking truck. I wish Nissan would’ve redesigned the new Titan looking like this.
Well done Ben.
We drove a taco and a PRO-4X - we bought a 2019 King Cab Pro4X for thousands less then the Toyota and my 5'-3" wife can see over the dash of the Nissan. It has better low-end torque for towing then the taco's atkinson cycle engine which is really a Miller cycle engine. In addition, the Pro4x has a better frame (no class action Toyota lawsuit) , and a stronger Dana 44 axle.
ahh the excuses that broke people use.
@@DIGITALCITY-wn4by*smart
Exactly why I bought mine.
Forget which truck is "better or worse"... The question is... How greedy are the dealers?? I would imagine both sides are asking MSRP and more.
I have discounts under MSRP & we have a lot of them
The invoice on Frontiers are typically $1k and Under MSRP. Margins are Abysmal
I purchased a fully loaded pro 4x yesterday for 6k under msrp.
@@All-Miles-Matter That's awesome!!
@@johng.4959 it's a really nice little truck. Very comfortable!
I bought this truck it's amazing.
The only real dings, to me, is the LCDs only coming on the highest trim level. Nissan price gauging, imo. $50k is $10k too much, and Nissan reliability is always in question, post Jatco trannies. You can get the ridge line for that money.
I'm waiting for the new rumored Subaru Brat and or new rumored Toyota Stout competition for Maverick. I think this truck is a little big for me.
I noticed he conveniently forgot to tell u that this truck has the idle stop system so when u come to a stop the vehicle turns off when you take your foot off the brake the truck starts back up . With that being said all 2023 don’t have that but this one does . If u don’t like it u can turn it off but not permanently every time u start the truck u have to turn it off .
I LOVE IT!!!! TOTALLY AWSOME ENGINEERING!!!! GREAT TRUCK FOR WORK AND PLAY.
Car care nut will give you an accurate review as he is a certified mechanic and knows engines and transmissions very well from most manufacturers.
Does the seating position feel more like chair height seating than the 3rd gen Tacoma? The 2022 Frontier seems more like that and I am hoping the 4th gen Tacoma also does.
Omg....it's SOOOOO much better than the tacoma. It raises up and down to fit your height requirement. I love mine
Great video! Thanks! 🔥
Build quality is excellent, better 4WD system, bulletproof system. Of course I’m talking about the Tacoma. The Nissan Pro 4X screams “I wanted a Tacoma TRD Pro but the wife wouldn’t let me get it!” 😂. This video is all emotion and not one real reason why you would get it over the Tacoma.
New Tacoma is direct and port injection which is a massive difference than just direct like the frontier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one talk about that! The Tacoma will be more reliable than the Nissan! That is actually older technology know your facts yiur not a car guy at heart sorry but true!
Did Nissan fix the transmission problem last 20 years?
Oh yeah. They use a ZF designed 9 speed and it's butter smooth!
I believe the cab room is the same as the old truck why ? I don't know, Nissan had a very good opportunity to the everything right that others had not done in decades that is making the door seal 1 inch higher because I have hit my head on the door seal while getting in because its Not very high.
2nd. Is leg room in the back, why didn't they place like 2 or 3 inches longer worth of leg room for adults' sitting in the back ?
3 rd. I've herd Nissan cut the size of the Front seat by 1 1/2 inches to give a wider counsel, I would of liked the wider seat to remain the same because the New seats are NOT comfortable at all. I would HATE to go on a 3 hour trip in this truck.
4th The rear Hitch is NOT flush with the bumper as all truck have it, in this truck the Hitch sets back like 1 1/2 to 2 inches making it difficult to put the Hitch pin on.
5th Last complaint is why didn't Nissan make the truck bed a TRUE 5 ft. bed at 60 inches NOT 59 inches ??
Nissan you have a few improvements to make because the next time I want a new truck, I will rent one out first for a week to see if it fits the Bill for me than making a 40K mistake !!!!
I like it, i also like the 6foot bed option
How much. Eng, miles. Warranty.
I’m 6’ 3” & the grab handles on the center console of the Nissan killed it for me!
My knee rested on the edge of it and it was so uncomfortable. I said something to the salesman on the test drive said they could be removed… with a sawzall.
"They can be removed with sawzall" -New Car Salesman is hilarious. Time to shop for a Titan. Great truck for the money. I'm 6'4 I used to have a Frontier but Titan is worth the extra money and a great truck!
Damn sounds like you have some thunder thighs
They didn't go over the top with gauges. It honestly looks dated. It's the same gauge cluster from a 2015 Maxima. 9 years old.
And it feels super dated compared to the new Canyon, Colorado, and Toyota.
I honestly think it's behind when it comes to tech.
Was a Tacoma guy until the turbo hybrid nonsense. Think the Frontier is next on my list!
I avoid turbocharging if possible.
Looks like nissan is the value leader that Ford used to be. That little suv they used to make would be great in today’s market.
It needs a manual. I would buy one in a second if it had a 6-spd.
Unfortunately most new trucks aren't gunna be manual
The current and the 2024 Tacos@@elitescorpioyt2820 are
Almost $49k?! Nuts…
Love my king cab S model, love it
I saw a black one with the bronze nismo wheels, pretty sick.
Tooooo bad their 9 speed automatic is junk. The biggest problem is Nissan says they work just fine when they do not.
“Cool front end” so what! How long will it last.
I bought the 6 ft bed and crew cab sj 2 weeks ago😅
There’s a reason Tacomas are the #1 midsized truck. And there are reasons it will stay that way. Nice Nissan but don’t think they’ll overtake tacomas anytime soon.
I wouldn’t speak so soon. Give it another year or two and we will see how their numbers look. If Nissan even takes a small share of their customers; then they did their job in the new Titan/Frontier.
That hybrid system is killin me on the new Tacoma. Though it seems the manual version drops the hybrid crap.
@@Twigz11and the interiors on the new Tacoma is a dumpster fire. Hideous.
Naturally aspirated and hydraulic steering for the win. Give it a few years and we will see.
Digital dash vs. analog gauges - which will last the longest and how much does it cost to fix?
is that a bedliner or spray on?
I dont see anyone reviewing trim levels other than pro 4x.
Love the outside but still lacks the modern technology. Infotainment system is still out dated compared to the new tacos coming out and even the Colorados with there newer systems..
Let me know when a phev is available, with 50mile ev range
I’m leaning towards a frontier have had Toyotas for the pass 40 plus years . But I think the new frontier take it to a new level over the Toyota now with them being so much overpriced. When they are built in Mexico there the labor rate is $ 2.75 an hour .you would never know it for what Toyota is trying to sell them for .
It;s like a Nissan Altima vs a Toyota Camry. There's no comparison, the Tacoma is king in midsize trucks.
Why don't you add some complaints from the new owners that put out a lot of money for there new or recently purchased truck
This car or Colorado z71? Because Colorado disel I think has better mpg?
Gn transmissions are trash. Life Lon gm guy couldn’t be happier with my Pro4x
I have this truck and I can say the driver seat is awful, reason is the bucket seat is never in the same place when I get back in the truck.
The seat drifts back like 1 to 2 inches due to the button on the side for the bucket seat is very high & my leg thigh somehow touches it while getting out of the truck..
I have never had this issue in all the many vehicles I've ever own until now !! Many others had complain about this in the 2023 model as well and I guess Nissan doesn't give 2 @*@* what people have to say about it because if they did the 2024 model would have had the issue fixed.
If I could of known this from the very start I would of never bought the truck, You know how much of a pain this is always fixing your seat every time you want to drive it.
SUGGESTION: MANUAL TRANSMISSION.
I heard the new Toyota beds are made of plastic and not metal.
i have said for years.. and I have had both. Nissan Frontier blows the doors off the Tacoma.. WAY better construction and built like a tank. Much more comfortable and frame that is built to take it.. Plus it tows massively more. Its a shame Nissan does nothing to promote this beauty
Beautiful Truck!
Little too high $ for the average working man! 😮
Red or orange on hooks, and badges?
Lava red
I'm going to wait until September to see if they are going to announce the 2024 with slight upgrades. Heard it was supposed to have 385lb torque and going from a 9 speed to a 7 speed. But idk yet.
I bought a 2024 Nissan Frontier it's still a 9 speed
@@jmb-cm7mr pro4x? How do you like it? I'm really really tempted they have the pro4x for 42k... but idk.
@@n0xxm3rcyxx I really like it. I bought it over the Tacoma and i have had a few Toyotas but the Nissan Frontier was more comfortable and the transmission is smoother.
I didn't need the room of the double cab so i just got the King Cab SV 4x4. The US does not carry this body configuration in the pro 4 x or i would have bought that in the King Cab. Canada does carry the pro 4x in the King Cab nice looking truck.
I went from a 21 TRD to a 22 pro X to a 23 Colorado TB , and I can say with out a doubt that the trail boss is by far my favorite. Will it last as long as toy or the frontier? I doubt it but as of right now it blow the other two away…
Meh. You couldn't pay me or give me a free GM to drive. Those 3.6s are ticking time bombs and GM doesn't exactly have a great track record with turbo 4s.
I test drove all 3 & its true the Colorado just drives and handles way better, same with the Silverados seem to drive way nicer than the 150's
Disagree. I ran a Chevy / Cadillac dealership for 4 years recently. Easy Buyers. Absolute garbage product. Including Cadillac. They would pay 20-30k over MSRP on the new Escalade. 20% engine failure rate within the first 10k miles on all the ones we sold.
The only flaw is that the truck isn't lifted it's supposed to be the off road model
The zr2 will walk circles around this thing.
How much Ben?
Is there wireless Apple CarPlay?
This Frontier is definitely superior to the new Tacoma 👍 V6 all the way!
I'm hoping the 2024 has a better camera and telescope adjustable steering wheel....and a V8 lol
lol go for the Titan
If only they still came in manual…