The best ministry I've see is the Hello Saints podcast. The pastor disagrees with dome LDS doctrine but educates evangelicals on who the LDS are, what their doctrine is, and how they view themselves as Christians. The pastor is non-judgmental is his weekly podcasts and give good insight into what LDS people believe.
I agree with you as a Latter Day Saint. Pastor Jeff is a good man and I appreciate his methods. Apologias method is very imprudent and kind of rude. If you want to reach a latter Day Saint, you need to invite the Holy Ghost to be the teacher. He is the revelator. This interaction though is better than ones I've seen in the past.
@@vincentorr507But I've seen Mormons become Christian because of the work that Apologia does. I honestly have not seen that with pastor Jeff. Just being honest.
@@courtneyko1466 I can’t speak to Jeff’s success to converting Saints to creedal christianity you will have to ask him, but his methods are more likely to invite the Holy Ghost. Latter Day Saint missionaries are taught to avoid contention. We meet with people in their homes and teach people who are ready to listen and are humble. We don’t go and shove scripture down peoples throats and try trip people up in their words and make them feel stupid. Then put it on camera and scoff. That is what apologia does and it’s not nice or Christ like, they’re more like the Pharisees. We seek to edify and uplift and invite the Holy Ghost to be the teacher. That’s why you see so many people even In 2024 make covenants and become a member of the Lords church. Check out David Boyce 52 churches in 52 weeks. David was baptized into the church after going to 100s of different churches. He vlogged his whole experience as it was happening. We bring the Holy Ghost to people and invite them receive it. We can’t force the Holy Ghost on people. Nor will God.
If these people were honest, this episode should exactly be called "The kind, loving and forgiving manner in which two Mormons treat Uninformed Christian imposters as they secretly film the mormons without their consent" Or "the pastor and his sidekick gets smoked yet again by Mormons"
The bible is a book that people hate or love. It's a book that condemns the sins that you love, but it is also a book that has the power to transform your heart to hate the sins that you once loved. All through the power of faith in Jesus Christ.
@@BunnyWatson-k1w Do they love the same bible that says, "There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed?" Galatians 1 Am i to believe the Apostles and men who walked with Christ who went to their death defending their faith, or a man that came a thousand years later, saying the scriptures had been corrupted and that he has the real truth?
@@skiu4ea434they claim they believe the Bible but when it contradicts their doctrine it’s easier to brush off if you believe it’s been corrupted. I find it interesting that they claim it’s missing many plain and precious parts when the Book of Mormon doesn’t do anything to fill in the gaps. It’s the later revelation Joseph had but those directly contradict the Book of Mormon. But Satan accomplished his goal by taking them away from the Bible and having them believe in a perverted version of the gospel and the opportunity to become Gods based on their own righteousness
So true. And to these two light-absent men , it doesn't matter; because they preach Jesus will save you in your sins. But Jesus came to save you from your sins.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Everybody sins, we were born to it, it doesn’t matter how much you fight you will never uphold to the standard of God. That is why he manifested in the flesh, and died for the sins of the world. Because man is not, nor will he ever be perfect, God was the perfect lamb, the perfect sacrifice for us. You will not become a god. You will not inherit your own planet. You will face judgment, if you are not covered by the blood of the Lamb. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
It would be easier for the LDS couple to just say, "Yes, you are right, nobody ever told us this before, we will drop out." That's what I do when I try to share the LDS church with people online and it's like talking to a wall. All people try to do is "prove me wrong" so I just give up.
Maybe you approach is wrong if it’s NEVER worked!? Ever thought of that one?? Or maybe your wrong, try to humble yourself and learn what you can. Those who do with a sincere heart end up being baptized!!
@@Zach-wh3fl people can only be saved if God saves them. If a mormon, JW, muslim etc. is presented with truth and denies it, its a good indication that God did not save them. "....as many as have been appointed to eternal life, believed.", "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy....", "..vessels of wrath prepared for destruction." etc, etc, etc...
@@mikhailyaremkiv horrible logic and analogy. If a creedist is confronted with truth (that being contrary to the creeds that you believe in), and you deny truth. You will not be saved. Go study early christian history and you will soon learn that apostasy QUICKLY crept into the church.
@@Zach-wh3fl I dont understand you. What you called "my logic" is actually taught by God and what you called an analogy was an example. Do you have a point you can clearly state? I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what you want.
Going to church and reading the Bible does not save you. Being born again through faith in Jesus saves you. Our works are as filthy rags. It’s not what we do it’s what he did for us on our behalf. Jesus is enough!
Good question. IMO it's about what a person is becoming,..is she trying to become more like Christ or is she moving further away from Christ . I think the savior will be more merciful than we sometimes are aware of. And I believe if she sincerely prays to and asks for his redemptive blood to save her And help her live a cleaner life, Then yes definitely. Memorizing Bible quotes will help. But the words by themselves, or the bible by itself are meaningless unless one takes advantage of the blood of Christ and his gift to us.
Listening to the husband talk certain points, "There is a big universe out there... has to be other worlds with people on them..." no, no there doesn't, because we go back to the Scriptures for our objective standard that God gave us. God told us exactly what he did, the whole creation account. It is mindboggling to know that in the end, our Lord God is going to do away with the heavens (entire universe that we know) and the earth, and make a new heavens and a new earth, and then we will see New Jerusalem descend from the heavens to rest upon the new earth, and it will be beyond anything we could dream of. I just feel terrible knowing that many are going to choose eternal separation, because they chose to follow a false prophet, follow a different spirit, and put their eternal souls on the line in a different doctrine, when the Scriptures give us God's own words telling us exactly how to live, how to guard against false doctrine and false prophets, teachers, etc, and how to test every prophet, every spirit, and word uttered.
I don't know why the LDS couple is even bothering to try and explain things to those guys, because they won't listen. It won't do any good. I've tried for decades to share the LDS church with people in real life and online, and it's like talking to a wall.
Why does nobody ever mention that in the Inspired Version of the Bible, Jospeh Smith modified John 1 to say, "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son."
Because people will say that you're not supposed to modify the Bible of course. And since you said that, that will be further evidence to them that you are on the wrong path. Et al.
Apologia say Jesus did not consider equality with God a thing to be held on to. Actually scripture says that Jesus didn’t consider it robbery to consider himself equal with God and that we should have the same mindset. Philippians 2:5,6.
The couple were more Christlike, the wife is complimenting people as they walk by, the husband was kind and looked for peace. The “pastors” were looking for a spirit of contention and just relayed an excessive amount of information. The man expressed his testimony of the savior better then the pastor, they looked for loopholes in their testimony and wanted to milk these innocent people for money. Disgusting priestcraft. Repent.
So because they are trying to reach the lost...they are false? Got it. Just cuz someone shared their testimony of a false gospel in a peaceful manner doesn't make it correct. Why is contention bad? Oh because your seminary teacher or bishop told you so. It's of the devil. Bible tells us to CONTEND for the faith. I'll go with what lines up with God's Word. Not you or your feelings
@@raymorrow1491 sorry but you don’t read the Bible in its purity. You’ve put on the glasses of what the world has chosen for you. Contend for the faith doesn’t mean going to other churches holy places (like a temple) and bring anti pass along cards and have a passive aggressive approach with your interactions. Only 2 people exemplified a Christlike attitude here and it was the couple. They aren’t trying to “reach lost Mormons”, they might say they are and act like it, but in reality they like the views and money, otherwise they wouldn’t film their interactions and would be more kind. When you’re ready to humble yourself from the man made creeds and see the true church of Jesus Christ I would be happy to help teach you!!!
@@Zach-wh3flSpirit of contention? Does this sound contentious to you? “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join... I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt... He again forbade me to join with any of them;" - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Joseph Smith-History, v. 1, pp. 8-26 "...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60 “Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 1, p. xl "Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176 "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was groveling in darkness." - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 73 "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world." - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199 "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171 “...the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into Paganism rather than converting the Pagans. And subsequently the Priesthood was taken from among men, this authority was re-called into the heavens, and the world was left without the Priesthood-without the power of God-without the Church and Kingdom of God.” - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 22, p. 44 "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." - Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167 "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." - Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127 "What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast." - Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225 "What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." - Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225 "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent." - Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255 “This great apostacy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now. A short time after the death of the last of the Apostles, the Christian Church, what few of them remained, were persecuted from mountain to mountain, from den to den, from one cave of the earth to another, and from nation to nation until they were entirely exterminated and rooted out of the earth. Well, what was left? An apostate Christianity, a Christianity without revelators, without any voice of God, without any Prophets to unfold the future, without visions, without any communications from the heavens.” - Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 44
Nice copy paste skills. Clearly zero effort was put into actual refuting my claim and comment. Instead of committing a red herring next time, confront the problem here. To prove me wrong next time, provide evidence how the Pastor WASNT searching for a contentious discussion.
@@Zach-wh3fl Those quotes are far more disrespectful than what these pastors said. If you measure things based on how “loving” someone is then by your own standard your prophets cannot be saved. So the real issue is one of these: 1) Mormons believe these things about Christians and they lie to Christians saying “we are all on the same team” 2) You don’t believe these things anymore which shows how mormonism changes with the wind 3) Double standards.
In Galatians 1:8 (and 9), Paul said "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached, let him be accused. " The false and worldly gospel that these two dark men try and push on others Will lead to their being a cursed. It's so sad.
It does say standing Acts 7:55 ESV But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Being good and loving DOES NOT GET YOU TO HEAVEN…MORMONS ARE SO LOST. GLAD YOU ARE THERE, I IMAGINE THAT ITS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A MORMON TO BELIEVE THAT JOSEPHS MYTH IS A BLASPHEMOUS AND DAMNING HERESIES
Now thats a very interesting comment. Hmmm, 1/ Jesus said, love one another as I have loved you. 2/ Those that crucified the Christ labeled him as a blasphemous and damming heretic.
First mistake is to disagree on Jesus Christ. These guys need to stop trying to think their Jesus is different then everyone else. Hahaha. Mormons believe in the biblical Jesus Christ, just because they don't agree on certain doctrines as to his relationship with us or the father, doesn't mean its a different Jesus. What a stupid argument to start your whole conversation. Your putting up walls, not tearing them down.
"Your putting up walls, not tearing them down." This is great feedback for Apologia, because if they are genuinely trying to Save these people, they failed before they even began. Great point to make!
That squeezing of the person is something Mormon men often partake in to “warn,” their fellow man or their children that they are talking out of turn. It gives me massive discomfort to see it again.
Great title. Please mention next time you bring up the God head that the LDS believe God the Father is flesh and bones and point them to the Bible where Jesus is at the well talking to the women at Samaria and say how Jesus says "God is a Spirit and wants to be worshiped in Spirit and in truth."
Empirically evident that if Christ the Lord walked the same streets today these two pharisaical hypocrites would try and tell Jesus that he's not following the Bible properly and misinterpreting scripture and that he should sort of stop in his tracks and reconsider scriptures. And they would tell Jesus that they are true Christians and that Christ needs to get on board or else he will be ultimately doomed.
@@BunnyWatson-k1w is the Jesus you serve the creator? Is he satans brother? Is the Jesus you serve God? Mormons don’t have a clue who Christ is ….you do NOT serve the same Jesus. The bom is a false historical account. The funerary text that Joseph’s said was from Abraham…..debunked in 1967. Mormons may have some of the Christian language but you’re not Christian. You serve satan
How about this trick to get people to listen- stop lying about what mormons believe. "We see some fundamental differences in your Jesus and what the Bible says". "You don't know the real Jesus". Hey- WE DONT OWN JESUS AND NEITHER DO YOU.
The self-called Pastor Wade Orsini got smoked yet again by these two lovely disciples of Christ. Yep, Stephen saw Christ standing at the right hand of God. Separate and distinct it's so clear that a child can understand it. This pastor has perverted the word of God and is so estranged from scripture and the Lord Jesus Christ.
The lady finishes with "testify your Christ!"...no ma'am, I dont care about YOUR christ, your christ cant save. But there is one that can, the inly true Christ and He hates that you take His name and falsefy hid identity.
1:54. There is NO different Jesus. LDS worship the same Jesus as foretold in Isaiah 53 who is the Messiah. He is the son of God sent to die for our sins. He died on the cross at Calvary, and after three days arose from the dead. He is our savior and redeemer. His grace is sufficient for eternal life.
That's right. people think that just because the different churches interpret the Bible differently, that Mormons worship "the wrong Jesus". But it's the other churches that interpret things wrong, or don't have the fullness of the gospel, etc. I'm a convert to the LDS church and understood all this over 40 years ago when I was first trying to learn about the Church.
There's a reason Paul warned about a different Jesus. Muslims, JWs, New Age, Mormons, etc. each have a different Jesus than the one taught in the Bible. The Bible teaches and we believe that Jesus created everything, including Satan. We believe that Jesus is the eternal infinite God and not a created being, but has always existed as God, the second person of the Trinity. I s t h a t w h a t y o u b e l i e v e ?
@@allieReformed As we have explained a million times, the only reason it's a "different Jesus" is because the other mainstream Christian churches have it wrong. They don't have the correct doctrines or the fullness of the gospel. That's why a RESTORATION was needed. That's why we have the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
@@Cindybin46 In Galatians 1:8 (and 9), Paul said "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Then Joseph Smith came along 1800 years later, preaching a different gospel. I guarantee he was working for the devil. Please don't fall for that any longer. I sure did, but I was duped by the devil.
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Great example of a typical conversation with LDS folks! Thanks for sharing.
This was such an amazing conversation!
The best ministry I've see is the Hello Saints podcast. The pastor disagrees with dome LDS doctrine but educates evangelicals on who the LDS are, what their doctrine is, and how they view themselves as Christians. The pastor is non-judgmental is his weekly podcasts and give good insight into what LDS people believe.
I agree with you as a Latter Day Saint. Pastor Jeff is a good man and I appreciate his methods. Apologias method is very imprudent and kind of rude. If you want to reach a latter Day Saint, you need to invite the Holy Ghost to be the teacher. He is the revelator. This interaction though is better than ones I've seen in the past.
@@vincentorr507But I've seen Mormons become Christian because of the work that Apologia does. I honestly have not seen that with pastor Jeff. Just being honest.
@@courtneyko1466 I can’t speak to Jeff’s success to converting Saints to creedal christianity you will have to ask him, but his methods are more likely to invite the Holy Ghost. Latter Day Saint missionaries are taught to avoid contention. We meet with people in their homes and teach people who are ready to listen and are humble. We don’t go and shove scripture down peoples throats and try trip people up in their words and make them feel stupid. Then put it on camera and scoff. That is what apologia does and it’s not nice or Christ like, they’re more like the Pharisees. We seek to edify and uplift and invite the Holy Ghost to be the teacher. That’s why you see so many people even In 2024 make covenants and become a member of the Lords church. Check out David Boyce 52 churches in 52 weeks. David was baptized into the church after going to 100s of different churches. He vlogged his whole experience as it was happening. We bring the Holy Ghost to people and invite them receive it. We can’t force the Holy Ghost on people. Nor will God.
“We need a prophet!” Goes on to deny the words of his prophet lol
Prophets are hardly infallible and I no one ever claimed them to be
If these people were honest, this episode should exactly be called "The kind, loving and forgiving manner in which two Mormons treat Uninformed Christian imposters as they secretly film the mormons without their consent"
Or "the pastor and his sidekick gets smoked yet again by Mormons"
I love your comment!
Thats a lot of claims. Willing to back any of them up? Or are you just hoping people are stupid enough to believe you.
The bible is a book that people hate or love. It's a book that condemns the sins that you love, but it is also a book that has the power to transform your heart to hate the sins that you once loved. All through the power of faith in Jesus Christ.
LDS love the Bible too.
@@BunnyWatson-k1w Do they love the same bible that says, "There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed?" Galatians 1
Am i to believe the Apostles and men who walked with Christ who went to their death defending their faith, or a man that came a thousand years later, saying the scriptures had been corrupted and that he has the real truth?
@@skiu4ea434they claim they believe the Bible but when it contradicts their doctrine it’s easier to brush off if you believe it’s been corrupted. I find it interesting that they claim it’s missing many plain and precious parts when the Book of Mormon doesn’t do anything to fill in the gaps. It’s the later revelation Joseph had but those directly contradict the Book of Mormon. But Satan accomplished his goal by taking them away from the Bible and having them believe in a perverted version of the gospel and the opportunity to become Gods based on their own righteousness
So true. And to these two light-absent men , it doesn't matter; because they preach Jesus will save you in your sins. But Jesus came to save you from your sins.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
Everybody sins, we were born to it, it doesn’t matter how much you fight you will never uphold to the standard of God. That is why he manifested in the flesh, and died for the sins of the world. Because man is not, nor will he ever be perfect, God was the perfect lamb, the perfect sacrifice for us.
You will not become a god.
You will not inherit your own planet.
You will face judgment, if you are not covered by the blood of the Lamb.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Oh praying for this couple! They are so close
It would be easier for the LDS couple to just say, "Yes, you are right, nobody ever told us this before, we will drop out." That's what I do when I try to share the LDS church with people online and it's like talking to a wall. All people try to do is "prove me wrong" so I just give up.
Maybe you approach is wrong if it’s NEVER worked!? Ever thought of that one?? Or maybe your wrong, try to humble yourself and learn what you can. Those who do with a sincere heart end up being baptized!!
@@Zach-wh3fl people can only be saved if God saves them. If a mormon, JW, muslim etc. is presented with truth and denies it, its a good indication that God did not save them. "....as many as have been appointed to eternal life, believed.", "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy....", "..vessels of wrath prepared for destruction." etc, etc, etc...
@@mikhailyaremkiv horrible logic and analogy. If a creedist is confronted with truth (that being contrary to the creeds that you believe in), and you deny truth. You will not be saved.
Go study early christian history and you will soon learn that apostasy QUICKLY crept into the church.
@@Zach-wh3fl I dont understand you. What you called "my logic" is actually taught by God and what you called an analogy was an example. Do you have a point you can clearly state? I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what you want.
Can a Christian answer this question please. Is someone who does not go to church often and reads the Bible every once in a while, considered saved?
Going to church and reading the Bible does not save you. Being born again through faith in Jesus saves you. Our works are as filthy rags. It’s not what we do it’s what he did for us on our behalf. Jesus is enough!
Do they have faith in Jesus Christ for their salvation and have a repentant heart? Then yes.
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Good question. IMO it's about what a person is becoming,..is she trying to
become more like Christ or is she moving further away from Christ . I think the savior will be more merciful than we sometimes are aware of. And I believe if she sincerely prays to and asks for his redemptive blood to save her And help her live a cleaner life, Then yes definitely. Memorizing Bible quotes will help. But the words by themselves, or the bible by itself are meaningless unless one takes advantage of the blood of Christ and his gift to us.
Listening to the husband talk certain points, "There is a big universe out there... has to be other worlds with people on them..." no, no there doesn't, because we go back to the Scriptures for our objective standard that God gave us. God told us exactly what he did, the whole creation account.
It is mindboggling to know that in the end, our Lord God is going to do away with the heavens (entire universe that we know) and the earth, and make a new heavens and a new earth, and then we will see New Jerusalem descend from the heavens to rest upon the new earth, and it will be beyond anything we could dream of.
I just feel terrible knowing that many are going to choose eternal separation, because they chose to follow a false prophet, follow a different spirit, and put their eternal souls on the line in a different doctrine, when the Scriptures give us God's own words telling us exactly how to live, how to guard against false doctrine and false prophets, teachers, etc, and how to test every prophet, every spirit, and word uttered.
I don't know why the LDS couple is even bothering to try and explain things to those guys, because they won't listen. It won't do any good. I've tried for decades to share the LDS church with people in real life and online, and it's like talking to a wall.
Why aren't they talking about 1st Cor 15? Luke 24:27 & 44?
That’s there first date oh my goodness they seem so comfortable together. They need to get married, I swear these people belong together.
He articulated the gospel in part. He really needs to asked where he would you go after death and why?
Why does nobody ever mention that in the Inspired Version of the Bible, Jospeh Smith modified John 1 to say, "In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son."
Because people will say that you're not supposed to modify the Bible of course. And since you said that, that will be further evidence to them that you are on the wrong path. Et al.
Apologia say Jesus did not consider equality with God a thing to be held on to. Actually scripture says that Jesus didn’t consider it robbery to consider himself equal with God and that we should have the same mindset. Philippians 2:5,6.
The couple were more Christlike, the wife is complimenting people as they walk by, the husband was kind and looked for peace. The “pastors” were looking for a spirit of contention and just relayed an excessive amount of information. The man expressed his testimony of the savior better then the pastor, they looked for loopholes in their testimony and wanted to milk these innocent people for money. Disgusting priestcraft. Repent.
So because they are trying to reach the lost...they are false? Got it. Just cuz someone shared their testimony of a false gospel in a peaceful manner doesn't make it correct. Why is contention bad? Oh because your seminary teacher or bishop told you so. It's of the devil. Bible tells us to CONTEND for the faith. I'll go with what lines up with God's Word. Not you or your feelings
@@raymorrow1491 sorry but you don’t read the Bible in its purity. You’ve put on the glasses of what the world has chosen for you. Contend for the faith doesn’t mean going to other churches holy places (like a temple) and bring anti pass along cards and have a passive aggressive approach with your interactions.
Only 2 people exemplified a Christlike attitude here and it was the couple. They aren’t trying to “reach lost Mormons”, they might say they are and act like it, but in reality they like the views and money, otherwise they wouldn’t film their interactions and would be more kind.
When you’re ready to humble yourself from the man made creeds and see the true church of Jesus Christ I would be happy to help teach you!!!
@@Zach-wh3flSpirit of contention? Does this sound contentious to you?
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join... I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt... He again forbade me to join with any of them;"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Joseph Smith-History, v. 1, pp. 8-26
"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 1, p. xl
"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was groveling in darkness."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 73
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171
“...the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into Paganism rather than converting the Pagans. And subsequently the Priesthood was taken from among men, this authority was re-called into the heavens, and the world was left without the Priesthood-without the power of God-without the Church and Kingdom of God.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 22, p. 44
"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167
"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127
"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225
"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
“This great apostacy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now. A short time after the death of the last of the Apostles, the Christian Church, what few of them remained, were persecuted from mountain to mountain, from den to den, from one cave of the earth to another, and from nation to nation until they were entirely exterminated and rooted out of the earth. Well, what was left? An apostate Christianity, a Christianity without revelators, without any voice of God, without any Prophets to unfold the future, without visions, without any communications from the heavens.”
- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 44
Nice copy paste skills. Clearly zero effort was put into actual refuting my claim and comment.
Instead of committing a red herring next time, confront the problem here. To prove me wrong next time, provide evidence how the Pastor WASNT searching for a contentious discussion.
@@Zach-wh3fl Those quotes are far more disrespectful than what these pastors said. If you measure things based on how “loving” someone is then by your own standard your prophets cannot be saved. So the real issue is one of these:
1) Mormons believe these things about Christians and they lie to Christians saying “we are all on the same team”
2) You don’t believe these things anymore which shows how mormonism changes with the wind
3) Double standards.
In Galatians 1:8 (and 9), Paul said
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached, let him be accused. "
The false and worldly gospel that these two dark men try and push on others Will lead to their being a cursed. It's so sad.
Is he your brother? Or is he the Savior of the world? If he is, can you become a god yourself?
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That's their first date they said, he's from Laguna Nigel and she's from Las Vegas. Humm, I wonder how that's going to turn out.
It does say standing
Acts 7:55 ESV
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
What u wont hear from this "pastor" is one of Christs' maxims:
IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS"
Hand thing is a little passive-aggressive I feel like
Yeah, I really dislike how older LDS people especially feel entitled to physical contact with you when they’re talking to you…
@@joshuawatson1902 I think that's just older people in general.
They actually don’t believe Jesus created everything under the direction of the father. They also believe Micheal took a part in creation as well.
Being good and loving DOES NOT GET YOU TO HEAVEN…MORMONS ARE SO LOST. GLAD YOU ARE THERE, I IMAGINE THAT ITS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A MORMON TO BELIEVE THAT JOSEPHS MYTH IS A BLASPHEMOUS AND DAMNING HERESIES
Now thats a very interesting comment.
Hmmm,
1/ Jesus said, love one another as I have loved you.
2/ Those that crucified the Christ labeled him as a blasphemous and damming heretic.
First mistake is to disagree on Jesus Christ. These guys need to stop trying to think their Jesus is different then everyone else. Hahaha. Mormons believe in the biblical Jesus Christ, just because they don't agree on certain doctrines as to his relationship with us or the father, doesn't mean its a different Jesus. What a stupid argument to start your whole conversation. Your putting up walls, not tearing them down.
"Your putting up walls, not tearing them down." This is great feedback for Apologia, because if they are genuinely trying to Save these people, they failed before they even began. Great point to make!
That squeezing of the person is something Mormon men often partake in to “warn,” their fellow man or their children that they are talking out of turn. It gives me massive discomfort to see it again.
Great title. Please mention next time you bring up the God head that the LDS believe God the Father is flesh and bones and point them to the Bible where Jesus is at the well talking to the women at Samaria and say how Jesus says "God is a Spirit and wants to be worshiped in Spirit and in truth."
One group of made-up crap is telling another group of made-up crap that their crap is wrong, and the first group's crap is much better.
Empirically evident that if Christ the Lord walked the same streets today these two pharisaical hypocrites would try and tell Jesus that he's not following the Bible properly and misinterpreting scripture and that he should sort of stop in his tracks and reconsider scriptures. And they would tell Jesus that they are true Christians and that Christ needs to get on board or else he will be ultimately doomed.
They have the wrong Jesus is the problem
LDS worship the same Jesus as you.
@@BunnyWatson-k1w is the Jesus you serve the creator? Is he satans brother? Is the Jesus you serve God? Mormons don’t have a clue who Christ is ….you do NOT serve the same Jesus. The bom is a false historical account. The funerary text that Joseph’s said was from Abraham…..debunked in 1967. Mormons may have some of the Christian language but you’re not Christian. You serve satan
@@BunnyWatson-k1w everything God tells us NOT to do. Mormons DO with a passion……your an enemy of God
No... Christians believe in the trinitarian Jesus...
@@bigtobacco1098 which is a false God. I guess your claim of main string christians indicate that they are duped.
How about this trick to get people to listen- stop lying about what mormons believe. "We see some fundamental differences in your Jesus and what the Bible says". "You don't know the real Jesus". Hey- WE DONT OWN JESUS AND NEITHER DO YOU.
The self-called Pastor Wade Orsini got smoked yet again by these two lovely disciples of Christ. Yep, Stephen saw Christ standing at the right hand of God. Separate and distinct it's so clear that a child can understand it. This pastor has perverted the word of God and is so estranged from scripture and the Lord Jesus Christ.
I too believe that Jesus is distinct from the Father. That ought to be what every non-lds Christian believes as well.
The lady finishes with "testify your Christ!"...no ma'am, I dont care about YOUR christ, your christ cant save. But there is one that can, the inly true Christ and He hates that you take His name and falsefy hid identity.
How can you pretend to know?
@@Liberty4AllGVT how can you pretend to know that I am merely pretending to know? How do you pretend to know that I dont in fact know?
@@mikhailyaremkiv How do you know? The answer is simple! You are over-thinking it. I think you can be more direct.
@@mikhailyaremkiv What is the answer? Come on, you got this!
@@mikhailyaremkiv Hint: What is the most direct form of communication? Think: what/who has authority?
1:54. There is NO different Jesus. LDS worship the same Jesus as foretold in Isaiah 53 who is the Messiah. He is the son of God sent to die for our sins. He died on the cross at Calvary, and after three days arose from the dead. He is our savior and redeemer. His grace is sufficient for eternal life.
That's right. people think that just because the different churches interpret the Bible differently, that Mormons worship "the wrong Jesus". But it's the other churches that interpret things wrong, or don't have the fullness of the gospel, etc. I'm a convert to the LDS church and understood all this over 40 years ago when I was first trying to learn about the Church.
There's a reason Paul warned about a different Jesus. Muslims, JWs, New Age, Mormons, etc. each have a different Jesus than the one taught in the Bible.
The Bible teaches and we believe that Jesus created everything, including Satan. We believe that Jesus is the eternal infinite God and not a created being, but has always existed as God, the second person of the Trinity. I s t h a t w h a t y o u b e l i e v e ?
@@allieReformed As we have explained a million times, the only reason it's a "different Jesus" is because the other mainstream Christian churches have it wrong. They don't have the correct doctrines or the fullness of the gospel. That's why a RESTORATION was needed. That's why we have the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
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@@Cindybin46 In Galatians 1:8 (and 9), Paul said "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Then Joseph Smith came along 1800 years later, preaching a different gospel. I guarantee he was working for the devil. Please don't fall for that any longer. I sure did, but I was duped by the devil.