Paint Warhammer with Mirror Paint! - worlds most reflective paint?
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2020
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Hey Emil! It´s David. Thanks a lot! You made a great work summing up our goals!
Quick question I used to paint ages ago with paints from Reaper Miniatures Blue Steel & Green Steel I used the Green to paint one of my Bretoniann Green Knights both colours are discontinued does anyone else make metallic colours ie Blue/Green ?
Emil! Black Gloss base coat, and apply it in 2 layers :D
@@zaynevanday142 try scale 75
I'd say that the difference between the Mirror and Vallejo _is_ huge. Perhaps not in person, but through a camera, the Mirror paint looks spectacular!
I agree, the airbrushed mirror looks like polished metal. The other two look like unpolished cast metals.
yeah I came looking for this comment because I thought the exact same thing. Its really defined in the shoulder just how much of a difference it is sheen wise.
It's crazy he doesn't see the difference
Man! Bro, I'm sitting here thinking the exact same thing! I'm like, "Dude, we can see a very clear reflection of your finger and even your fingernail at points in that sword as he moved his finger!" So, not to be disrespectful but, maybe bro needs glasses. They made a world of difference in my eyesight. Just a thought.
He didn't prep the models correctly either, you need a gloss black prime, not matte.
The urge to just mirror spray my whole army and calling them "Chromeboys"
Could largely work for eldar or necron without even being out of place
WITNESSED!!!
@@michaelsorensen7567 grey knights..?
could you argue it’s 3 or more colours? because a mirror finish like that will reflect colours from all around making it technically hundreds of different colours.
I am planning on repainting my entire necron army in this.
if you want a true mirror effect, you need to start with a high-gloss (ideally black) surface...
Was just going to comment this, I paint mandalorian helmets and high gloss is a MUST under metallics in general
thats not how these work.
If this is like the mirror effect nail polishes that exist that wouldn't be needed. The paint pulls together and forms a mirror flat surface by itself through surface tension.
@@WhichDoctor1 it can't do that if the surface below is too rough. This is still really thin paint. Gloss primer makes a huge difference for any metallic paint.
@@UnvarnishedTarnished how do u do it? Or what fo i have to look up for it
You need to apply it to a non-porous surface. Thats why your wood block test didnt appear as reflective.
And the miniature wasn't based in gloss black as well.. I also feel like he did not wait for it to "cure", he just painted the minis as soon as the paint "dried". Sometimes, you must buff after the 24 hour cure time to remove the small dust particles then it will show the mirror like finish...
@@vasili1207 wow, aren't you lovely.
@@BGLoscar yeah the instructions on that paint is to allow for at least 24 hours up to 48 hours to fully dry before doing anything with it and the first thing you do with it should be applying another coat. It definitely doesn't have the 10-20 minute drying time that we are used to as miniature painters.
@@vasili1207 yes, it's required by law 😆
I'd highly recommend checking out how WWII scale aircraft modelers do bare metal to understand why this was not a valid test. These paints (and the ever ubiquitous Alcad metals) require a super smooth surface. Generally you polish the bare plastic, apply a gloss black primer, polish the primer, THEN apply the paint. That's how you get the mirror finish.
You need a polished surface to get a mirror finish. Spraying an incredibly rough material like wood cannot give you a reflection.
There's a discernable difference in the shot between Vallejo and the Mirror paint. Its subtle but it IS shinier. Giving me ideas. Also bonus points for supporting Semple and coincidentally giving a paint drenched middle finger to Anish Kapoor (if ya don't know google Semple vs Kapoor)
I would even go so far to call it a massive difference, the Vallejo one diffuses the light waaaaaay more then the Mirror paint which looks way more "crisp".
Is it a like 20 dollar difference tho?
Good to know there’s other people who know about the feud between Semple and Kapoor
Yaaas! 🖕suck it, Kapoor!!
I would add that it also looks visibly much smoother on camera, wheras the Vallejo looked obviously sprayed (comparing both airbrushed).
The best chrome I know is Molotow Liquid Chrome. It literally put a mirror on my minis. Use with black glossy undercoat. Give a week to dry (maybe less would also work, but better save than sorry) before putting a gloss varnish (or anything else) on top of it. It is alcohol based, so you can use ethanol for cleaning (the airbrush). Comes in a pen or a refill pack. Pen can be opened (do not tip the metal ball in your airbrush). You can also draw with the pen on your mini, but it will be thick and reduce detail (paint needs to be thick for mirror effect in this case).
yeah Molotow Liquid Chrome is great but does need a little extra care for best results.
From what I've seen it's *super* delicate, look at it wrong and loses the chrome effect, and it looks like most varnishes do the same to it. That's problematic for minis. Here's a video on this: ruclips.net/video/vd83iJkjIm8/видео.html
@@vasili1207 Not necessarily. There are plenty of reflective surfaces that could be considered mirrors or mirror-like when you get into fantasy or cyber miniatures.
Molotow is for tagging, not minis. 😂
@@vasili1207 wrong. Sigvald the magnificent by GW literally wears mirrored armour and has a bodyguard called the mirror guard who do too.
A regular silver paint wouldn't work with them
Acrylics over enamels is definitely a bad idea. Maybe that's what this video is really about, how not to employ certain techniques.
Just think if he used oil over that it would probably work really well
@@coololdtimer Yep with some odourless thinner it would have been good.
Yeah, I think even if he had painted the non metal parts first and then applied the mirror last (and not tried to paint over it) it might have had a better chance of working. Or just used enamels/oils rather than water based for the whole thing.
I quite liked the mirror paint.
that looks like straight up mercury
I was hoping this comment would be higher up. Guess not many people have seen actual mercury nowadays.
@@miguelengelhardt4687 tbh it's been a while since I've seen mercury in a picture let alone in person. Just sorta registered as that mentally.
I was going to say this also. Last time I saw mercury was in an old thermostat.
@@daviddickson412 I feel really guilty. As an electrician, for years I had been chucking old thermostats in the garbage without thinking. Of course they all had a little ampoule of mercury in them. Oops.
Mirror paint has to cure. It’s right on the directions.
Was the first thing I thought.
How do you cure it?
@@rav3style let it sit for more than 24 hours
@@chrisgreene5941 ohh yeah that omission probably messed up the test
molotow liquid chrome refill is the most crisp i've ever seen.
True, specially on top of a high gloss black.. You can see your self.
Yeah Molotow Liquid Chrome is incredible - way better than this stuff. Just don't use a regular gloss varnish on it. I've used Spaz Stix Ultimate Clear Coat and that seemed to work well.
Yup. Molotow makes an epic mirror finish.
@@Digitalfiendscom the one I've heard that works well is an Alclad one: ruclips.net/video/vd83iJkjIm8/видео.html
Alclad gives spectacular results but, from my understanding, is exclusively for airbrush use while Molotow can be used with brush or airbrush.
Was concerned why the paint wasn't sticking and checked Stuart's shop. In the description of mirror paint is written to leave it dry for 24h before touching - maybe that was the problem? Alternatively I would gloss varnish before next step.
But if you don't try you won't know!
For people who want to get the mirroriest mirror paint for their minis - you helped them skip a step of experimentation! :)
This is typical of all solvent/laquer paints. They need gas time, otherwise the gasses released while it cures will dissolve and ruin whatever you put over it. The issue he was having with adhesion of his glazing is also typical of these hyper chrome or metal surfaces, its the polar opposite of primer. Shit just does not stick well which is why you'd want to use this only really on its own or a stickier candy. Stuff is amazing for Models and Gunpla, dogshit for Miniatures.
very underwhelming video, nice display of the reflective paint, but trying to apply shades and other paint directly over a metallic paint without using a varnish before on those region, what did you expect ?
this feel like a rushed video.
@@Superrugdr I think he just wanted to play with those paints and not do a deep comparison video. It's still nice to see that mirror paint don't clog up details
@@jeffbushey9885 It can work on miniatures too.. Just need a high gloss black which he didn't do that's why he failed to achieve the right outcome.. On a different note, as someone who also paints GUNPLA, I am so happy that someone like you KNOWS the difference between DRY TIME and CURE TIME.. A lot of the people in a Gunpla group that I am in DO NOT understand that and they only wait for like 10 minutes to an hour to apply the next coat then later they're surprised about why the paint is showing some defects..
@@nataliakapusciok4198 When I tried to achieve the mirror effect on my Gunpla, I based it first with Gloss Black, then painted it with Spastix chrome, waited for the 24H cure time then buffed it then I got the mirror chrome result..
You really need to start with a smooth high gloss finish in order for that stuff to come off like a mirror.
YAAAAAAAS. I love Semple's paints. The rivalry with Kapoor is great.
Finished product he's not happy with, still better then most of our mini's
Lol I was just thinking that it looked pretty good
This hurt me.
Yeah he’s being overly critical. Looks as mirror 🪞 as it gets.
Yeah idk you might be the one being over critical not him it clearly didn't work out and was super messy. He's a really awesome painter but he was pretty open that it went wrong this time. I bet most files can atleast keep it clean looking could be wrong tho idk for sure obviously.
Talk to yourself
The video results are probably different than seeing the minis IRL, but the mirror paint definitely looks noticeably better to me.
I use the Molotw pens, ten times easier to use, gives a very good effect for what you need.
pound for pound 100x better as well
I can shoot it through an airbrush without thinning.
And its cheaper and easier to find.
I use that too. Super shiny, not too durable though. The Alclad varnish seems to help but hurts the shinyness a bit.
Want to teu That Paint, the reviews are great
@@TheAegisClaw - you have to let it cure. (4-7 days depending on temp) then it hardens. You dont want to use ANY varnish on it, its pretty durable, and no matter which on eyou use, any varnish will ruin the finish of it. The varnish adds a layer that changes the mirror refelction to a diffused one
@@DismemberTheAlamo yeah mine always fog as soon as I touch em... guess I need to let it cure for a couple days
that mirror paint on the pauldrons is drop dead gorgeous.
I've been working on a Void Dragon lately, that I used the Molotow Chrome pens on. You can open the pen and dump out the "paint" it appears to be even more reflective than this mirror paint. I'd be curious to see you revisit this and compare the two. thanks Emil! Cool video.
Great video! Your English is really great and I love hearing you talk - you have awesome presentation skills and humor! Merry Christmas to you, brother! 🎄🎅
The fact that the mirror paint is a solvent-based paint might be why the other paints aren't sticking as well to it
just another thumbs up for the funky and soulful music you pick as the background. it’s great to see not every miniature painter listening to metal or rock.
Emil spray on to a high gloss black base for the mirror finish for best results
Interesting! If this paint is anything like the Alclad II chrome paint, you need a gloss black base to work from and then apply the mirror paint in thin coats with your airbrush. I've had some success using the Alclad paints on minis and then carefully applying Tamiya Clear colours ontop for a candy gloss effect.
I've been looking to pick up some of Stuart Semple's paints to see how they'd work on minis. Ive seen some people use his "pinkest pink" and "black 3.0" but you're the first i've seen using the mirror paint.
Same, I’d like to know how well the glow paints stick.
@@HuntsForge what's awesome is he sells it in a powdered form as well so you can use your own base to mix it in. I have a cousin who uses them for internal screens in a vehicle or if he wants a glowing effect say coming from underneath a gorget in a chaise marine shining on a face.
Also makes an incredible addition to glowing effects you are already painting.
I've picked up black 2.0 and the glow on the dark pigments. The black is easily objectively darker than any mini paint I own, but it was difficult to work with, especially to get a finish that didn't show brush strokes, and it's very matte. It does work well for black cloth though (painted Darth Vader a cloak with it and the it's weaknesses in the finish became strengths).
The glow in the dark also did not work with minis. Pigment was much to coarse for me to get a smooth paint but that could have also been a lack of mixing machine and using liquitex mediums. What I did discover though is that as a wash it works fan-freaken-tastic as a way to add glowing runes on to etched surfaces. I used it in abase for a cracked rock effect with green magical energy coming through it and I was blown away. The biggest drawback however is that without it glowing it looks completely different.
Whoops, I have black 3.0, just checked the bottle.
Can you direct me to videos that use pinkest pink on minis?
Wow, another video before Christmas, you're the best Emil. Happy holidays to you and your family.
This is some straight up wizardry right here! Merry Christmas mate
I think for the best results try polishing the plastic surface first then use a gloss black base and I think it would come out perfect.
That's how it should be done anyways... He did not use a Gloss Black base that's why he failed to achieve the mirror chrome effect..
@@BGLoscar indubitably!
One could say you just made chromecast eternal’s.
gotta love when i'm actually interested in the sponsors because they're so incredibly relevant to tge rest of your content
Hey Emil, hope you have some relaxing days. Happy holidays to you and your family. ❤️🎄
“Do not ingest” like I get it, we’ve all seen what happens in The Matrix and it makes that cool dial up internet sound too
Tell that miniac
Can we see more Semple paints on miniatures? Tempted to try a noise marine using his Pinkest Pink
I've tried to use it, but the pigment particles aren't small enough, it's like using a cheap dollar value paint sadly
I've used, Gold, silver, mirror, Black 3.0 and LIT from Stuart. Really like the black 3.0 for my nightbringer. Lit is fun for the necrons too
thanks for the info and demostration
Love Stuart! I use a lot of his products, but just back got into miniatures. Thanks for the vid, can't wait to play with his pigments now!
With a lot of Stuart's pigments its best to use the base he offers.
I do 40k painting a lot so I wouldn’t really get much mileage on wargaming, because I don’t exactly need super reflective silver. Gold might be cool for Custodes. BUT, I also do Star Wars Legion and customize Star Wars Black Series action figures and this paint, with the proper preparation, would be perfect for The Mandalorian in his Beskar armor.
Awww yes! I love Stuart Semples' paints for my miniatures. Like Black 3.0 and their Heavy Metals. So glad I can see if this is any good. On the fence with it.
I found Black 3.0 not so great, especially if airbrushed. It's more powdery than I'd like. The other paints are really great though!
@@stevewagstaff7250 odd, I'd be interested in knowing how you applied it. I don't remember how I did this tank, but I don't think it's powdery. I especially love it used as a primer, because it just sucks the gloss away, so I don't need to buy a matte range.
I'll have to see, cause I've got a small squad of units I want to be matte stealth. So I'll keep this in mind. Maybe I brushed last time.
@@PhyKi It was a straight airbrush onto a base coat. I haven't been the only one to have this issue with it. A UK streamer/painter I know had the same issue, and had the pigment powder rub off the model in places.
I was just about to buy this paint aswell thanks for the professional opinions review
The chrome looks cool on its own. I loved it when you added just the red
Honestly this seems perfect for models with a ton of flat surfaces, mainly gunpla(Which I'd love to see you try and take a stab at painting!). Looks great though!
Please check out the lit glow in the dark stuff these guys do, would love to see it work for some power swords, necrons or some ghosts have no idea what to do with pigments though.
That would be absolutely sick... Its a powder base you can mix into stuff too, we used it on some costume parts and it really... Really glows
Awesome! I've been meaning to pick some of this up and try this out on minis
Hello, sry this post is aging a bit but how would I use mirror as a means to paint bits like cockpit windows, with a shade/tint of colour, is it useful for that? If not.. can anyone recommend something?
In order to get a real shine out of any of these paints they need to go over a high gloss black, glossier the better
So if I'm understanding right the best course of action would be to apply super glossy black primer, apply the paint, let it dry, apply a gloss varnish, and then continue with other paints?
@@lysanthirvt4011 Yes, though regular gloss would likely kill the mirror effect unless very light and careful dose. Some brands, like Alclad, sell special clear coats (aqua gloss) specifically to help mitigate this. Chrome coating (or mirror coating) is pretty hard to and pretty unforgiving if you make a mistake, but man it's great when you pull it off.
Silver Surfer wants to know your location.
I have had issues with paints running on high gloss due to the lack of porous surface. A cheat is a very thin layer of transparent gloss varnish over the top of your initial layer of undercoat, and then again over the parts of the mini you only want to add a few light touches of colour to.
I've seen the mirror paint used a few times on things my wife has made. You need to start with a high glossy surface, and it needs to set for 24-48 hours. I wouldn't use it as a base coat at all. But its also a totally different kind of paint
Try a glossy rattle can base. May boost is reflectiveness?
The mirror quality and durability of the coat is better suited for creating or replacing chrome on toys. That's where I've seen the most excitement for the product among my various hobby communities.
Thanks a lot! Amazing video mate!!
Yeah that’s really genuine of you
Holy hell, what kind of solutions is that? It's like 80% done by the time he coat them for the first time.
Lmao, I literally just got this in the mail two days ago planning to use it to candy coat my 1k Sons. Glad to see you're spreading the word about this paint, it's great stuff for certain applications!
The best way I've found to apply it is two thin coats (as always), that tends to get the brush strokes out and amps up the shine. I also let it dry for 24 hours before working with anything on top of it.
As for why it's not as mirrory on the wood, Stuart Semple has a video about that where he puts it on a variety of surfaces. He mentions that you should seal any porous surface first, and shows what it looks like on sealed wood vs unsealed wood.
I was thinking of trying the mirror paint myself and you saved me the effort
I absolutely love how Vallejo Metal Colour flows out the airbrush, it's a real pleasure and so easy to clean up too! I'm fairly certain everybody knows there are better metallic paints that are solvent-based or just not acrylic.
Been wanting to start painting 40k again (havent since i was like 9) and youve inspired me to do get crazy with metallic and chrome themes for my first project :D
Thanks for this - painting my whole tau army chrome 😂
Mirror finishes are totally dependant on smoothness- if what you’re painting isn’t glossy to start with then it will never reflect properly.
That is one amazing paint!
This video comes from the heavens! Just yesterday I decided to paint my Chaos demons shiny and chrome to make them look like beasts from an 80s metal album cover. I thought about picking up Mirror, so thanks, you saved me good money! Gonna go with Vallejo now :)
Take care!
I would highly recommend spray on top of a gloss black then seal after. That’s how all automotive chromes and mirror paints work to achieve a shiny reflective finish.
merry Christmas buddy I just got my brushes a few days ago!
Hey I’m sort of new to this hobby and I was wondering if you have any tips on doing army painting on the go because sometimes I want to bring my stuff to a friend’s house and I haven’t really figured out a good way to bring my paint and brushes and all the other stuff with me.
I recently painted up the Indomitus box necrons with this mirror paint. I recommend using glossy primer as the mirror paint works better on smoother surfaces. Also GW's contrast paints work well over top and can provide cool colored metallic effects depending on what you're going for. Lastly I would suggest a protective layer of gloss varnish over top to prevent wearing the chrome paint off.
I got a bottle of the Mirror paint a couple months ago. Getting ready to use it on a Grey Knight Dreadknight diorama.
Is the Vallejo reflective paint easy to paint with. I'm new to painting and I like how it looks, but I'm hesitant to go buy it at this point if it's something that was as hard to use other paints on as the mirror paint seems to be.
Looks quite fine!
When the mini was painted with just the mirror paint, it looked like those cheap robot action figures from my childhood. Somehow those were so reflective. Wonder if those were painted with some harsh chemical paints like they used to back in the day.
They use some kind of plating on toys etc.
He did not base his minis with Gloss Black that's why and he also USED a FLAT wood to showcase the paint which is the worst way that you can do on a chrome paint.... Also, in general, chrome paints require 24 hours to cure then you gotta buff it to remove the small particles to show the mirror effect...
Been thinking bout a color scheme for my tau, thought of chrome and a baby blue, this definatly sold me on it
You have to have a perfectly smooth surface to be reflective or mirror. Try spraying it on the back of a small piece of clear acrylic
One of the most commonly used “chrome” paints in scale modeling is from Molotow. They are most commonly found in paint pen style and also can be found in bottle form. I’ve used it for chrome on several cars and motorcycle models and it’s pretty good. At least as reflective as the Mirror paint you tested.
God Jul Emil och familj! This was a fun one to watch!
Thanks for the review! I would like to see your take on some of the so called "chrome paints" like the ones from Green Stuff World, Maston and Molotow :)
this could make some seriously cool knights, i never would have thought. You should do the whole model and ink it a tiny bit and do the details. I think it would look awesome!
that mirror paint would work wonders not as a base coat but as a finisher for large flat surfaces
That sounds like a perfect eldar paint
Thanks for the video, I was looking to play around with this stuff, you just saved me some money! Also I just got my brushes and Orc bust delivery in the UK, looks really sweet, no idea how I'm going to to do it justice, will be fun trying it out, would you recommend Milliput or greenstuff for smoothly filling in gaps between the neck and the torso for example?
I wonder if using a matte varnish then paint it up and then gloss it up and re-matte the coloured areas? I have had to do such things before when doing my scale model cars, before I slid into doing minis?
From gunpla modeling experience, glossy smooth black base coat, then layer on Alclad Silver, and that is a true metallic paint job.
Awsome video 😃
It's all about the under coat. Super gloss black for best results!
Gorgeous
Emil, I just finished a GW Nemesis Dreadknight that i completely covered with AK Extreme Metal Polished Aluminium. You need a very fine primer (Mr Hobby Surfacer 1500) and a perfectultra gloss black (Tamiya, Mr Hobby). Then the surface will be mirror-like. The best coverage of color, THAT STICKS on the metal and KEEPS the shine are Tamiya transparent colors. I made many parts in trans red/metal/chrome. Opaque colors have the tendency you described.
I'd love to get some of this to paint myself some Mirror Guard, to go along with the new Sigvald.
I might just coat a large pile my unpainted dnd minis with that, get them on some flat black bases and just treat them like normal game pieces. Thats a seriously slick paint there.
Reflectivity comes almost entirely from a surface’s roughness on a microscopic level. Even when planed flat, on a nano scale a piece of wood is waaay too rough for this paint to be as effective as on a a flatter surface where this paint dries with a smoother surface structure than the other ‘metal’ paints.
There have been a few mirror effect nail polishes for a while and some of them are really effective. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more like this in the hobby world and that this one isn't more effective.
There are a few, as it as many as needed. They are used a lot by the model aircraft folks for high polish aluminium skinned planes. They have titanium, aluminium, blues sleep and other colours all in lawyers with unhealthy vapours like the one in the video.
Predictive text doh. Steel not sleep, laquer not lawyer. In not it.
It would be interesting to see the another miniature painted to have another good comparison of why not by the mirror for miniature XD
I've seriously been wondering about both these paints. I also see Green Stuff World has their version now too.
Mirror can take a solid 24hrs to be properly dry in my opinion. Obviously you can get away with working with it sooner but I always find the longer I leave it the more success I have with getting the layers to stick. Great video as always!
Thx for the heads up
I'm really not familiar with miniature painting, so sorry if this is a silly question, but is there any reason you couldn't do a clear coat between layers as is often popular for scale modeling?
Question from someone who doesn't know anything about painting minis. Could you use the mirror paint and then use something like a contrast paint over it after the mirror paint has had a lengthy period to dry?
I would like to see that paint tried on shields. As that really feels like a perfect choice for painting some cool shields.
might pick this up, I have a Apollo CSM I need to get round to putting together and a mirror finish is a must
The guy who invented this paint, Stuart Simple, has a video explaining the proper way to use this to full effect. He also mentions it has a very long drying time, needing up to 12+ hours to dry, it should also be applied normally over a gloss black, and in 2 coats. Either way this video is informative as hell because atm there is only ONE other video of a mini Painter using it on Necrons so multiple perspectives is really nice!
When I look up the vallejo metal color paint it says it's an airbrush paint. Can you brush it on if you don't have an airbrush?
Absolutely :)
The mirrioriest paint is clearly meant for Mirror Guards. :P
If you watch Stuart Semple's video about using Mirrorest Mirror, it is best to apply it with a soft brush rather than air brushing it, not only practically but it's safety too. It's a sulfur based paint. You can also see what kind of surfaces it works best on in said video.
I’ve tried mirror spray paint (rust oleum or kyrlon) and ran into the same issue with paint just not sticking. I had to add primer over the pieces I wanted to hold paint.