2027 Scout Motors Terra & Traveler First Look!

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @WillemWildusa
    @WillemWildusa 2 месяца назад +102

    That harvester range extender is absolutely unique in the US. That is going to make this truck a great success. Very excited!

    • @lhurst9550
      @lhurst9550 2 месяца назад +4

      I wonder if they have a design yet, or just a concept for the extender.

    • @TellurideS13
      @TellurideS13 2 месяца назад +13

      Ram did it first

    • @Zobeid
      @Zobeid 2 месяца назад +1

      Ehhhh… Some folks will for sure find it useful, like if they do a lot of towing or live in Wyoming. I think by the time these hit the streets, with a NACS charging port (and presumably access to Tesla's network), and the number of charging stations built out by then, most folks won't even bother with the PHEV version.

    • @CinematicNow
      @CinematicNow 2 месяца назад +5

      BYD already has this

    • @lhurst9550
      @lhurst9550 2 месяца назад

      @@CinematicNow No one cares about chyna.

  • @aqueousveritas9024
    @aqueousveritas9024 Месяц назад +6

    No Gas motor , no sale , was so exited when I seen Scout was coming back then electric made me vomit

  • @muskistutter
    @muskistutter 2 месяца назад +14

    Impressive. Rivian is going to have competition based on the specs and pictures.

    • @sarkaranish
      @sarkaranish Месяц назад

      not exactly, Rivian makes the software and likely some of the components for the Scout. So they will be successful if Scout is successful!

  • @wexomixo
    @wexomixo 2 месяца назад +65

    Bench seats! 😍

    • @dra9onl3oy
      @dra9onl3oy 22 дня назад

      The bench seats are awesome, for sure! But I'm wondering if there's an airbag for that middle occupant or where it would come from since there's a big infotainment screen there.

  • @rmkep
    @rmkep Месяц назад +5

    As an early Cybertruck reservation rejector, I have been looking at alternatives to that refrigerator on wheels and this had me with the looks, name, specs and price. Made an immediate reservation and barring some really bad news, it will likely be my next and perhaps last vehicle purchase. I had an International Travelall back in the 1960's and it was a great and reliable hauler of stuff. I'm a fan of the brand and can't wait for actual order and delivery.

    • @matthewtrinh4872
      @matthewtrinh4872 Месяц назад

      Same here, Found out that the 50K cybertruck reservation I had with all the promised features by Tesla were out the window. Plus the years of delays, less range and price hike (forgot how much more they wanted) turned me off to Tesla all together! Crossing my finger for this one (last vehicle for me too).

    • @xxkyky
      @xxkyky Месяц назад

      Same here!

  • @MyweathernetreportsBlogspot
    @MyweathernetreportsBlogspot 2 месяца назад +7

    The family that ran the dairy across the road where I live owned a Scout International truck. They hauled equipment trailers, shovels, tools, pitchforks and all sorts of stuff on the dash. Receipts from the vet, nuts and bolts 🔩, gloves and lots of dust and hay. It always had a trail of blue smoke and no muffler. I wish the company well!

    • @JohnSmith-em9ks
      @JohnSmith-em9ks Месяц назад +1

      This is not that same vehicle by a long shot

  • @michaelmancini5773
    @michaelmancini5773 2 месяца назад +13

    The SUV version is a home run with its exterior styling, I had a scout back in 74, it was great off road, but very basic vehicle, this new version is plush

  • @deansmits006
    @deansmits006 2 месяца назад +6

    I'm interested in seeing how they plan to make it easier to self service, as they mentioned

  • @566ar
    @566ar Месяц назад +2

    My enthusiastic interest in the Scout coming back to the road was squashed by it being an electric vehicle. Sad, they had a good audience for a true durable Scout with a gas powered engine instead of an electric or hybrid.

  • @ewbait
    @ewbait 2 месяца назад +5

    They need to change the headlights. Make them circular like the old ones. Also, a removable top like the Bronco would be perfect.

    • @RRr-yl8zr
      @RRr-yl8zr Месяц назад

      The bronco truck appears to be a piece of crap problematic thing even after the redo of it. How many people with experience of soft tops or removable hard tops don't actually want to have anything to do with them. They want a nice clean proper non-removable hardtop that is dust-tight watertight weather resistant and clean. Most people never want to have the roof off except for maybe one or two trees for the novelty and then it's like screw it

  • @netsiteing
    @netsiteing 2 месяца назад +4

    oh please bring this to Australia ... our family channel at MEDA Family would totally review and promote every inch of this vehicle across all down under conditions

  • @douglasizzo
    @douglasizzo 2 месяца назад +17

    More of this dude! Autotrader...y'all have a winner!

  • @gearhead455
    @gearhead455 2 месяца назад +31

    Compete with Rivian? How is it not completely obvious that these actually are Rivians? Do you really believe VW paid 5 billon for just software?

    • @arcostonian
      @arcostonian 2 месяца назад +31

      Yes. Trust me I work at Scout. This was literally all built before the VW Rivian deal. That deal is only software.

    • @Hellanissan7
      @Hellanissan7 2 месяца назад +4

      Exactly

    • @crisruiz1991
      @crisruiz1991 2 месяца назад

      That deal literally happened out of nowhere, I work for VW and it was a complete shock to everyone in the silicon valley @arcostonian

    • @TheSkalio
      @TheSkalio 2 месяца назад +2

      If you compare the timeline of the VW deal and teh presentation, i dont think you would get fully working prototypes in that ammount of time, the development surpassed that deal long before

    • @brx017
      @brx017 2 месяца назад

      ​@@arcostonianSo what's the inside scoop, we really gotta wait 3 more years?! 😢

  • @chadhelvey7827
    @chadhelvey7827 2 месяца назад +4

    Would have loved to see a removable top

  • @donbreest1461
    @donbreest1461 Месяц назад +11

    I was excited until I found out it was electric. But PLEASE make one that is NOT electric. This is like taking a dump on the original. Gas is still KING.

    • @Shovel556
      @Shovel556 Месяц назад

      i was so disappointed to find out it was electric, yes it is a dump on the original

    • @darrelltaylor5879
      @darrelltaylor5879 Месяц назад +1

      Same, no thanks for electric

    • @WSseaghost110
      @WSseaghost110 Месяц назад

      Electric is not the way, when is everyone going to realize this!!!!

  • @CosmaLucian
    @CosmaLucian 2 месяца назад +2

    They are literally Rivians with redesigned body, no secret :)

  • @seasidewalktosand6567
    @seasidewalktosand6567 2 месяца назад +9

    Those look tough! '27 release is way in the future!

  • @larryhouse3776
    @larryhouse3776 2 месяца назад +4

    Cool vehicle, but they absolutely need a gasoline version.

  • @demon-mi2ho
    @demon-mi2ho 2 месяца назад +4

    Every ev should have that small engine that will give extra range on your ev cars.

    • @KBergs
      @KBergs 2 месяца назад +2

      It doesn't make sense on smaller EV that won't tow or go offroad.

    • @mauron4608
      @mauron4608 2 месяца назад +2

      With an 800volt architecture and nacs 350mi range is enough for 95% of the people.

  • @chumps7974
    @chumps7974 2 месяца назад +1

    These prototypes are nice, I wonder how much different the production models will be

  • @I-Libertine
    @I-Libertine 2 месяца назад +9

    i hope it's not another overpromise/underdeliver/overprice.

  • @visheshsaxena2179
    @visheshsaxena2179 Месяц назад +2

    The looks are amazing. Love from india .

  • @amo0707-
    @amo0707- Месяц назад +3

    V8 please!

  • @BoxySUV
    @BoxySUV Месяц назад +1

    Love the boxy SUV design! I would NOT opt for a glass roof or leather seats. Regarding the rear hatch, I find that a rear-mounted tire often requires a swing door. I’d prefer if the tire were mounted underneath, allowing the rear hatch to open upwards and out of the way. Overall, a handsome SUV-very reminiscent of the Rivian R1S.

  • @MEDAFamilyFilms
    @MEDAFamilyFilms Месяц назад

    It would be awesome to have this in Australia - we would be more than happy to promote, test and review it in all conditions here down under 😊

  • @bucketmcpretty9786
    @bucketmcpretty9786 Месяц назад

    With all that battery how heavy are they?

  • @MercOne
    @MercOne 2 месяца назад +1

    I love these. The design inside and out and if they get the range and price right, they have a hit on their hands. These products show that VW is tired of losing in the US market.

    • @RRr-yl8zr
      @RRr-yl8zr Месяц назад

      They won't get the price right.😅

  • @Markt3834
    @Markt3834 2 месяца назад +2

    The most iconic things about the Scout were removable top and solid axles. At least the Bronco got one right.

    • @JohnSmith-em9ks
      @JohnSmith-em9ks Месяц назад +1

      You mean the current Bronco with a horrible reputation? Is that what you mean?

    • @Markt3834
      @Markt3834 Месяц назад

      Yes, current. The old Broncos were great

  • @TechFollower
    @TechFollower 2 месяца назад +33

    Price adjustment...100000$

    • @horuslupercal3872
      @horuslupercal3872 2 месяца назад +15

      Good news is it won’t be sold by dealers and will be direct to customers

    • @chumps7974
      @chumps7974 2 месяца назад

      That sounds about right. They $60k one will be stripped down low range base model

    • @seanfain6992
      @seanfain6992 2 месяца назад +3

      Direct purchase is going to put the kibosh on Dealer Added Incentives. If they keep the pricing and features, this thing is going to be a home run.

    • @WoodenViking
      @WoodenViking Месяц назад

      @@horuslupercal3872yeah ? That‘s really good news if its true man, fuck em dealerships

    • @JohnSmith-em9ks
      @JohnSmith-em9ks Месяц назад

      Sure, I have an extra 100k just lying around, not to mention Insurance costs. No thanks

  • @vcastag
    @vcastag Месяц назад

    With the gas regeneration option, will this have the ability to FULLY RECHARGE the Scout? Or just extend range.

  • @ericzgela4683
    @ericzgela4683 Месяц назад +3

    Look great. Would only buy if it ran on gas or diesel!

  • @palco22
    @palco22 2 месяца назад +4

    The Scout is back ! ... it looks fantastic outside, inside and it looks solid ! It's been 44 years, ... and another 3 years to go.

  • @tayneilson
    @tayneilson Месяц назад +2

    We’re all still Eager to pay 70k for a truck

  • @Jason_903
    @Jason_903 2 месяца назад +20

    Come on scout make a 2 door!

    • @chumps7974
      @chumps7974 2 месяца назад

      That would be sweet

    • @imnotusingmyrealname4566
      @imnotusingmyrealname4566 2 месяца назад +1

      Nice two door Bronco you have

    • @Jason_903
      @Jason_903 Месяц назад +1

      @@imnotusingmyrealname4566 thank you and I work for international if it was gas and or at least a 2 door I would get a scout

    • @cryptosolaris1217
      @cryptosolaris1217 Месяц назад +1

      Why the hell would you want a 2 door?!!!

    • @scottleggejr
      @scottleggejr Месяц назад +1

      ​@@cryptosolaris1217 because there was never a 4 door ihc scout 80/800 or ii 😂 the travelall had a 4 door in the original ihc light line... This thing is a homage to a facade 😂

  • @192dude
    @192dude Месяц назад

    I'm in love with the Traveler 💓💓💓

  • @redtitan29
    @redtitan29 2 месяца назад +2

    This is the first EV that actually appeals to me! I would definitely go the gas extended range version to eliminate any potential range anxiety. They knocked the design out of the park. I absolutely love the body on frame, real axles, and off road hardware. Design cues harking back to classic pickup trucks is icing on the cake! Sign me up!

  • @PrideT2D
    @PrideT2D Месяц назад

    Just seen one at the South Carolina vs Mizzou game and I definitely want to get one of these in a few years it looked great

  • @googleuser2170
    @googleuser2170 2 месяца назад +4

    The Hybrid is highly tempting.

  • @peterbland7227
    @peterbland7227 Месяц назад

    Looks promising. Who will sell and service the vehicles?

  • @grover10011
    @grover10011 2 месяца назад +18

    Put in a V8, and it will become unstoppable. You lost me at electric.

    • @Mr.Slade62
      @Mr.Slade62 2 месяца назад

      SAME!! Battery tech is still CRAP!! Lead acid is still number one it can be recycled not Lithium Ion the waste is almost as bad as nuclear waste !!

  • @xKINGxRCCx
    @xKINGxRCCx Месяц назад

    Put a deposit down for the Terra! I currently have a Rivian R1T quad motor and its been my favorite car. Looking forward to the Terra

  • @escanorsama3838
    @escanorsama3838 Месяц назад +2

    oh dang they say 60k then its going to start at 90k unless they sell directly to consumers

  • @aeromtb2468
    @aeromtb2468 2 месяца назад

    but can it OTA updates?

  • @tomtom7987
    @tomtom7987 2 месяца назад +1

    Interior looks so good
    I wish Tesla made something like this😢

  • @excellenttwo
    @excellenttwo Месяц назад

    I think this is a question I hope VW answers in its planning. Does the motor warm up the cold battery during winter, or does it heat the vehicle when remotely started? If the motor can be removed, what is its purpose? If it's a stand-alone generator, how does it offset the weight of the motor, like a mini crane? Can the motor serve other purposes, and is its cooling, exhaust, and fuel system self-contained or adaptable for different fuels? If the motor I’d like to know if it's possible to increase voltage output in a vehicle. I’d love to hear people's thoughts on this. If it is regularly removed, can the case have a protected shell so that in transport, it is not damaged?

  • @jasonstafford4321
    @jasonstafford4321 2 месяца назад +8

    These will be LS Swapped.

  • @meadmaker4525
    @meadmaker4525 2 месяца назад +4

    Definitely looks like re-skinned R1T and R1S, but in a good way. And those interiors are gorgeous!! The harvester range extender is going to be a game changer, too. I've been a truck guy all my life. I've been wanting to get a truck EV, but Rivian is too expensive, and the others are both too expensive and have design flaws I couldn't bring myself to live with. I really, REALLY hope these Scouts are as good in production as they look on the screen right now, and that they keep to the teased price points (unlike Cybertruck - teased $40K, actual $100K).

    • @JW77
      @JW77 Месяц назад

      They are body-on-frame with a solid rear axle. Definitely not re-skinned Rivian.

  • @joshknutson16
    @joshknutson16 Месяц назад +2

    Wish it wasn’t electric

  • @christopherkeene3647
    @christopherkeene3647 2 месяца назад +1

    And that’s the last time we will hear about it 🎉

  • @broncobill392
    @broncobill392 Месяц назад

    ……can you imagine the Traveler with 74 Weld portals and some 37-38” tires. 😊

  • @chrisking7984
    @chrisking7984 Месяц назад +4

    Was so excited when I heard the news. Did some research, much to my surprise I was highly disappointed and feel like this is a huge disgrace to the name Scout. Why go electric?

  • @sophallvoek7825
    @sophallvoek7825 2 месяца назад +2

    Looked really good but the price would be 100k by the time it release

  • @RRr-yl8zr
    @RRr-yl8zr Месяц назад

    The gas powered engine to provide electricity for the electric motors is interesting. But after you've gone your 350 me or whatever and can't charge anymore I wonder how long/how far you can really drive for just off electrical generation from the gas engine and at what speed🤔

  • @davidvickers1171
    @davidvickers1171 22 дня назад +1

    Well that went straight to the bottom of the puchase list its ELECTRIC nope aint happening this is not going to go well in sales LOL !

  • @Oz1111
    @Oz1111 2 месяца назад +2

    They look gorgeous and numbers sound great. Can't wait to see these on the road.

  • @Offensively-normal
    @Offensively-normal Месяц назад +1

    They really look nice. It's a shame people don't want to buy electric. These will probably get built and sit around like everything else electric.

  • @curtculbertson6288
    @curtculbertson6288 Месяц назад

    My first vehicle was a 1970 International Scout.

  • @thiagolima5232
    @thiagolima5232 2 месяца назад +6

    Vw scout .amazing

  • @jorgeluistonuellassr.4454
    @jorgeluistonuellassr.4454 Месяц назад

    Both look very nice 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @michaelstone7514
    @michaelstone7514 2 месяца назад +3

    Wow!! Stunning vehicle!! 500 mile range 1000lb ft torque! Even though its 60k thats not bad considering the price of trucks today. Im in!!!

  • @jessiegunter1888
    @jessiegunter1888 2 месяца назад

    If those are the real prices, I’ll probably get that SUV

  • @jasonshep5585
    @jasonshep5585 Месяц назад +3

    You lost me at EV

  • @charleshu5752
    @charleshu5752 2 месяца назад +2

    So this is what the rivian money went

  • @moist_mike8113
    @moist_mike8113 2 месяца назад +5

    Immediately excited then they said electric im out 😂 another all electric suv

  • @vikingbladeworksllc7747
    @vikingbladeworksllc7747 Месяц назад

    I'm shopping this week for a new truck. I was temporarily excited about the prospect of this vehicle and willing to wait to purchase a new vehicle and drive my Silverado a few more years. Until... Electric. Nope. I'll wait to see how the range extender version works out. But 2024 Silverado it is.

  • @HeyMavDak
    @HeyMavDak Месяц назад +1

    These $100 reservations are bogus. They're really just a 3-year interest-free loan.

  • @RobB-z8o
    @RobB-z8o 2 месяца назад +14

    Beautiful rig, its a shame they didnt make an option for a naturally aspirated gasoline engine or at least a diesel...

    • @downix
      @downix 2 месяца назад +5

      Did you even pay attention?

    • @wagawaga174
      @wagawaga174 2 месяца назад +4

      The CEO at the event and previously has said ICE engines aren’t totally out. And this is just the beginning of reveals for the brand.

    • @dillonh321
      @dillonh321 2 месяца назад +6

      @@downix
      Range extender is not the same.

    • @downix
      @downix 2 месяца назад +2

      @@dillonh321 a gas engine isn't good enough for you unless you strap it to a manual gearbox?
      Why stop there?

    • @dillonh321
      @dillonh321 2 месяца назад +6

      @@downix
      No. I don’t want an gas generator hooked to some batteries and an electric motor. I want a gas engine that goes through an actual transmission (auto or manual) through actual differentials to actual axles like a traditional ICE car.

  • @GentlemensLoungePodcast
    @GentlemensLoungePodcast Месяц назад

    I love the aesthetic, power, and especially the size/leg room. They just have to give me a detachable hard top and get rid of that ugly accordion soft top, and I’m sold!

  • @kevin61906
    @kevin61906 Месяц назад +3

    Now that trump is back in , he'll end the stupid electric car mandate so companies can go back to making reliable vehicles

  • @ianbds6436
    @ianbds6436 Месяц назад +1

    Love it but don’t like EV. Won’t buy!

  • @theraven6836
    @theraven6836 Месяц назад

    My Tesla lease is up in mid ‘27 and this looks very enticing.

  • @ig_phoenix
    @ig_phoenix Месяц назад

    Mavi's favourite car

  • @coltons4436
    @coltons4436 Месяц назад +4

    Lost me at electric

  • @cecil5152
    @cecil5152 2 месяца назад +1

    Like everything else, estimated prices will seem reasonable, but when released will be grossly over priced….and that wont put into consideration of dealer markup.

    • @mitchell3876
      @mitchell3876 2 месяца назад

      No dealerships. Sold directly to consumer. Check their website it's on there

  • @foxxmufasa
    @foxxmufasa 2 месяца назад +2

    Would’ve been great with solid axles

    • @mnorma12
      @mnorma12 2 месяца назад +4

      Rear axle is solid

    • @foxxmufasa
      @foxxmufasa 2 месяца назад

      @@mnorma12looks independent

    • @simonmanuelmaldonadorodrig9823
      @simonmanuelmaldonadorodrig9823 2 месяца назад +3

      Solid rear axle and front and rear lockers... Sounds about a buy to me

    • @mnorma12
      @mnorma12 2 месяца назад

      @@foxxmufasa It’s all just a mock up right now, I’m just going by what’s been reported.

  • @tommyistommy
    @tommyistommy 2 месяца назад

    Makes you wonder why the microbus didnt get a range extender! People who like to get out there need to be able to get there 🤣

  • @zeljkoljiljak1984
    @zeljkoljiljak1984 2 месяца назад

    I never hurd for that cars

  • @ZenEndurance
    @ZenEndurance Месяц назад

    First fully electric vehicle I’d actually buy. That thing is rad. Rivian is too small and the CT is like a golf cart interior coors light can exterior. And musk can get bent.

  • @RDEnduro
    @RDEnduro 2 месяца назад +1

    Whats old is new, hey alright!

  • @jsee5182
    @jsee5182 Месяц назад

    My whole thing about the scout is the design is impressive. But all electric 😢 if they would have brought it back with a gas powered engine sales would have gone crazy. I don't have to have a degree to tell ya that..

  • @williamryan4959
    @williamryan4959 Месяц назад +1

    Absolutely hysterical that people are excited for this garbage. Nobody asked for the Scout to return as an ev. This will be a MASSIVE failure.

  • @OwlTL
    @OwlTL Месяц назад

    They look amazing..But if you're buying an EV because you're concerned about emissions you should just walk and take transit because EVs don't reduce emissions. They go through tires and brake pads faster than ICE vehicles and getting the necessary minerals out of the ground to power them is anything but environmentally conscious.

  • @HEMI345S
    @HEMI345S 2 месяца назад

    If you get the Harvester Extender version a 7 speed manual gearbox is included 😂😂😂

  • @Inferno45
    @Inferno45 2 месяца назад

    35’s are not enough. We need 37’s 😂

  • @jose-wj1yx
    @jose-wj1yx 2 месяца назад

    This looks like rivian! Both exterior and interior

  • @hienlien
    @hienlien 2 месяца назад +3

    So VW gave Rivian 5 billion so they can remake the R1T and R1s and put it under Scout Motors.

    • @max.power89
      @max.power89 2 месяца назад +1

      Not directly since the scout is body on frame, and the rivian have unibody.

  • @Badge-vo7hq
    @Badge-vo7hq Месяц назад

    Learned to drive in a scout so I’ll definitely be looking into one

  • @남샤오린스
    @남샤오린스 Месяц назад

    디자인이 역대급이군요.
    탐나느군요!

  • @aeromtb2468
    @aeromtb2468 2 месяца назад

    hopefully no dealerships or else markups

  • @davidbowman8962
    @davidbowman8962 Месяц назад

    I am in the market for something like this, but this is a hard no for me. Electric? Batteries hate the cold, so how’s that gonna work in the snow? It’s gonna be heavy with those batteries, so it’s gonna sink in anything softer than a hard packed dirt road. Fording a stream? Better hope they sealed those batteries really well cuz it’s gonna burn like a road flare if not. If they offered me the option of getting one with the 2.8 Cummins crate motor that people are swapping in the 80 series Land Cruiser, I might be a “maybe” but I’m out. All the heritage is gone if they’re gonna turn the brand into something soccer moms commute in. ☹️☹️☹️

  • @STarFishUltra
    @STarFishUltra 2 месяца назад +1

    electric pickup truck = bankruptcy 💸

  • @PaulTaylor-z8p
    @PaulTaylor-z8p 2 месяца назад +5

    Id be installing a range extender that goes by the name of an LS + a 4WD transmission.

  • @seanfain6992
    @seanfain6992 2 месяца назад

    They brought in a group of guys, including the owner of Super Scout Specialties, that kept the nameplate alive, former employees and owners that really seemed to push VW/Scout Motors to keep it true to the original. This thing is going to fly off the lots, if they follow through on features and pricing.

    • @scottleggejr
      @scottleggejr Месяц назад

      The old ihc has a fully boxed frames, solid axles, and stout drivetrain for working. This thing is a throw away consumer trash clone ripping off the heritage 😂 nothing ihc in this pos

    • @seanfain6992
      @seanfain6992 Месяц назад

      @@scottleggejr Guess we’ll see, since this is body on frame, solid axles, and will have to have a stout drivetrain to handle 1,000 lb/ft of torque. 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @devindougherty3735
    @devindougherty3735 2 месяца назад

    Lottery just make exactly this. Everyone will buy one. They just need to not do what Fisker did

  • @danielclawson2099
    @danielclawson2099 Месяц назад

    This is five to ten years too late: sharply cooling EV sales + multiple EV startups struggling.
    And they look, in video, very similar to the Rivian offerings. What's the competitive advantage?

  • @cavb748
    @cavb748 2 месяца назад

    Necesito una así pero blindada.

  • @brx017
    @brx017 2 месяца назад

    Bench seat / six seater EV truck... TAKE MY MONEY

  • @dukeallen6562
    @dukeallen6562 Месяц назад

    Not looking for a four door.

  • @B86432
    @B86432 2 месяца назад +6

    Still trying to shove electric vehicles down people's throats 😂

  • @aeromtb2468
    @aeromtb2468 2 месяца назад

    2027, incentives might not be available.