The Land Cruisers sibling, the Lexus GX550 Overtrail. For the 70K USD, it's better than the similar equipped & priced Land Cruiser, with better 4WD system, V6TT (instead of I4TT), 9K towing capacity (instead of 6K), and with a 3rd row 7 seating capability, instead of 5 seater of the hybrid-Land Cruiser.
8:57 And this is how you win a Darwin Award, by standing behind a vehicle that weighs more than 2 tonnes struggling for traction, trying to climb a steep and uneven slippery surface, while you stand behind and push it, thinking you're actually somehow assisting it.
I'll side with Ronnie Dahl and my own 4 decades of experience but I think Mitsubishi and the old Nissan Patrols are all fine vehicles too. But I'll stick with what's worked for me. I have owned 2 (old) defenders in my time too. Including a 300Tdi 90 which I loved. But the Toyotas I have (and they're all old ones, not current models!) are absolutely bombproof.
More cars should have overhead button consoles like the Grenadier. Manufacturers really should tap into our childish need to feel like we're piloting the Millennium Falcon or a 747 rather than driving round a tesco car park.
I agree with you 100%. To hell with touch screens. We need more mechanical ceiling switches with a ridiculous number of crackles. I'm half joking, half serious, if you want to make it look cool to use a touch screen to find and set up menus, take a page out of a sci-fi movie. LOL
It seems fun until you have to start living with it and you very quickly realise that overhead buttons are just an annoying gimmick. But if you're buying cars just to driving around Tescos car park, I guess that's your thing, lol.
A friend and myself once got stuck going up a scree escarpment in an old Defender. It kept digging itself into the loose scree. A first gen G Wagon showed up going down the same escapement and offered to help. We winched the two cars together and the G Wagon proceeded to pull the defender all the way up the escarpment in reverse without getting itself stuck and without struggling to pull the heavy defender. It did the ~100m run in one go without stopping. The old G Wagons are IMMENSE off road machines 🔥 🫡
Is that true? The old type Defenders was like this: 110 was 110, 130 was 127, 90 was 92. something. Wheelbase, yes. The new ones I do not know much about.
Not to mention the traction control on the Land Rover is meant to be rev'd and work out which wheel to provide power to as it doesn't have diff locks. So when the wheel spun and they stopped, they prevented it from doing it's wizardry
INEOS bought a safari outfitter in Bots, that did the full chop job you can see on insta. In Kenya my fiancée was riding through Nairobi and was behind a Grennie just like mine, and happened to drive by the dealership.
We may be able to help answer the question about the long-term reliability of the Grenadier after the trip we're currently on. It's a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road...
Do you have a web-site ? How do you fare in the cold regions ? .....In Central Asia, above 3,000 m....we had Unimogs, or MAN 6x6 or Kamazes 6x6 , all with a cabin mounted........good luck , greetings
Well said guys, your trip is surely one of the longest roughest test of any. And fair play you chose the grenadier, yes it’s a little heavy but your trip will prove that the build quality and reliability comes from the all round stronger components . Loving your expedition , what memories you’re making . I hope Ineos are aware and detailing your journey . Take care and keep making dreams come true .
Land Cruiser is the best value being the cheapest (relatively) of these SUVs. And you don't lose much compared to the other and it has better capabilities than each of them in specific categories.
The new defender is on air suspension, it should have super extended mode which raises the vehicle even further when it detects it's bottomed out. It has been around since the disco 3. They need to do their research
The fans being turned off in wading mode in the Grenadier is not to stop water being pulled into the radiator. What would be the advantage of that? The fan/s being stopped is to avoid a spinning fan hitting the water and bending/breaking and damaging the radiator. Maybe do a little bit of research before reviews.
The fluid in the radiator is part of a closed loop, but the fans behind the radiator pull air across/through the radiator to exchange heat. @christiaanvisagie3530 is correct in their statement.
The first time I waded a truck I hit the water hard and the fan put a hole in the radiator... you only do it once or put some perforated metal between them... learnt the hard way with that one though...
With the Defender, why did you not use the cameras that give you clear visibility underneath to see where obstructions are so you can navigate? Why was this information hidden from the review. I went on an off road course in the Defender and this function was the most important and most used option which resulted in a flawless navigation of extreme conditions. This was a set up to try and get the Defender to fail and I'm sorry but the bald guy has only ever driven over a kerb before by the standards of his driving.
I can tell you after 5.5 years of G Wagon ownership (same redesigned chassis) there is NO shake or “shimy”. The G is rock solid and you will never hear a rattle or squeak.
It kills me people keep comparing the Grenadier to the Defender. Zero similarity. The Grenadier is a bargain budget G Wagon sharing Magna Steyr roots. Handling perhaps more like a 460.
A have a friend who has a 45 year old Land Cruiser and he drives this thing every day well over 400000 miles on it with no problems whatsoever says he doesn’t need to buy a new one cause he feels his still has a long way to go probably pass it down to one of his kids
In Australia there are many "working" Landcruisers with well over 700k on them & zero reliability issues. In the outback , Land Rover owners are called thrill seekers....because they invariably end up having to use bush survival skills. 😂😂
I’ve got a 1995 80 series landcruiser with 606000kms on it about to take it away remote beach camping for 10 days with the family. I’m also on my second 200 series. First was 2008 and sold it to a friend was has now done 450000kms on it and tows his big boat 2000km up north in west oz. Current 200 has 250000 is a 2017 with DPfs and drives like a new car. What do you mean the new ones aren’t good? It’s also worth more than I paid for it 4 years ago… As many Ozzie’s have suggested in the comments section there is a reason we drive Toyotas. 👍🏼
Why does everybody refuse to put the cars in the same tires when they test them?? The tire is the single most important factor when driving offroad. Having one car on street tires and another one on Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs makes the comparison basically worthless
Because they are testing what comes from factory. If one manufacturer comes with better tyres than another, then that is not their fault. If you want to buy your own tyres for your own vehicle then fine.
@@vanderz1012 Some companies give out more off-roady tires because some rich customers like that look even tho they won't ride on anything but asphalt. While other more reasonable companies employ sensible tires that will have better asphalt performance, knowing most of these vehicles won't be used in off roading anyway... If you are a "Off Roader", you'll have the money to switch to the required tires. Off Roading is an expensive hobby to begin with... So when a "Performance Comparison" is being done, unless you include the same tires and review their road fuel economy, sound inside the car, ride comfort and speed performance too; it doesn't really make much sense to keep factory tires imo.
I’m a massive fan of Landcruisers, I’ve had 4, but to be fair to the Grenadier, the steering system is more agricultural because it’s tougher and more off road focused than all of the others, this means there will always be compromises on road, great test Gents.👍
Well, It's not driver's fault that Defender was designed to look big in a city, rather than do the actual off-roading. To be frank, Defender performed exactly as I expected. No surprises there.
I am not sure if I should laugh or cry. If you pump the Defenders air suspension up then you take a lot the wheel articulation away. Surprise surprise. Grenadier doesn't have outdated steering, it has a solid front axle so it has the only steering you can have. Hence the reason the others have changed to independent front suspension.
Agree 100%. The Grenadier steering is a little vague on the road because it's built for off road (although you soon get used to it), something that these amateurs failed to point out during the 'off road' test.
My old K5 Blazer has a solid front axle, and it would run circles inside all of these (even though it has Auburn limited slip front, locking at rear) because you can not make a birfield joint that can handle the same turning degrees as Blazer:s joints. Here in Finland we call independent front suspension "risukeula" , "a front suspension made of twigs". It is easier to make car like handling 4x4 with independent suspension, my H3 has it, but the downside is the mechanical flimsiness of driveshafts compared to real axle. Original HUMVEE had independent suspension both ends, partly because of needed longitudinal ground clearance, partly because of interchangeability of front and rear suspension components. But it is not comfy...
@@briancrossley1710 Absolutely right. The same goes for the Jeep Wrangler. Also, you won't break a hand or finger when off road because the steering wheel doesn't turn sharply. It is smoother off road and you get used to it and don't even notice the vagueness on pavement.
@@shaunmurray8132 There's a reason why Landcruisers outsell the others. I went to Africa and they were everywhere and in fact, the LC200 was more of a status symbol than the Range Rover.
@blazzz13 a reason toyota sell more because there are less people that can afford the other 3. If all four are the same price, I don't think toyota will be the best seller.
There is so much about the off road capability of the Grenadier that these guys failed to mention during this 'serious off road test, not sure they even knew about most of it.
I have done The Whipsaw Trail with my 2020 Defender 110 and had no issues on any trail. Pretty much it made the trail easy. Driver needs more confidence behind the off road wheel.
Which direction? Also, the issue with the Defender is independent suspension mixed with air. When you jack it up there is no flex. That is always gonna be an issue. I also worry about LR electronics. Personally would not take one down Whipsaw out of fear that it would need a tow out. Toyota will always get you in, and out.
@@Jordan-ql8pv I just love when people claim that a certain car “will ALWAYS get you in and out” - do you even have a drivers license - or are you just re-circulating “facts from the internet”?
@@scandinavia6271 Come to Australia, and you will see why LR's are not used off road anymore. Toyota's rule for a reason. I met a couple that had to pay $10,000 to recover their LR when the axle snapped.
The Whipsaw trail isn't difficult by no means as long as you don't have street tires and engage 4x4 once or twice. The whole trail is an entry level forest service type road that has some optional obstacles, and popularized on youtube because its off a major highway. For any serious offroad obstacles all you you need 2" lift and high clearance bumper otherwise you will rip off your plastic bumpers. The rest of the "trinkets" in this video have no impact on off roading capability.
When it comes to Land Rover product, you need to let the Terrain Response do the work. In every instance, when the wheel started to slip you let off the accelerator pedal. The trick is to stay in it a little longer, and the TR do it's job. It's an amazing bit of kit.
The only thing missing on all models tested, is that "option"...that makes the cars very cappable in offroad... it's "seated" between the steering wheel and driver seat... Unfortunately non of the cars has it in this video...
If you want to go into the outback take a Landrover, If you want to come back out take a Toyota. 2009-2010 parts of Aberdeenshire had snow without a break for 5 months, my Toyota started outside at -24°C, pushed through 2ft of drifting snow for mile upon mile and never felt like I was out of my or its depth. At 7 years old it threw a piston and Toyota stepped up and replaced the engine, I paid labour. If I'd kept up dealer servicing they were prepared to pay the whole jing-bang. No other manufacturer would offer that level of support and acknowledge it was their fault for a bi-metallic corrosion issue with the c.h gasket. Landrover...my split new S1 Freeloader threw a piston at 3,000 miles/2 months old and Landie had the audacity to charge for engine oil in the repaired car.
The problem with Defender in its high suspension setting is that there is no more downward travel for any wheel. It performs much better in standard ride height but that means that it would ground in the middle, have a worse break over angle and wouldn’t get over the top of that hole anyway.
Many people don't know, but when the defender detects that the ground clearance is lower, they can activate height mode 2 by pressing the lift button again.
Normally when it’s jacked up so high and on an incline where the diagonal wheels are in the air, it takes off a bit of pressure from the tires pushing on the ground and sends it to the ones in the air to try and push them towards the ground while bringing the car lower to the ground. But it’s not very effective like hydraulic suspension on Toyotas. This one though doesn’t have it
I know they are not really comparable price wise, but I really like the G-Class and the Land Cruiser. The Defender looks great but I simply don´t trust it and the Granadier is too focused on off road for daily use.
I’ve driven the Grenedier on road and these guys are being so dramatic. You get used to the steering very quickly and it’s actually pretty comfortable on road.
the guy who envisioned making the Grenadier explicity said that was the reason he did it. That the Defender became more of a soft-roader and he wanted something that was focused on off road capability and durability like the old Defenders were. He tried to buy the production tooling from JLR and they turned him down. sorry to repeat a wiki article but it does seem he was proven right. I don't think the Defender is a lost cause, it has it's purpose it just isn't what the Defender used to be.
Had two Defenders; first returned under warranty due to multiple faults that couldn’t be fixed (though the dealer put it back on the forecourt barely a week later at more than I paid for it) and the second sold back to the dealer for what I paid for it as it also had numerous faults. Wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
9:07 Many people don't know, but when the defender detects that the ground clearance is lower, they can activate height mode 2 by pressing the lift button again.
Great video. Makes my choice in buying the LC250 so very justified. I considered the Defender but it didn't feel quite right. The Ineos would have been hated thoroughly by my wife with all the levers and switches. The LC250 has been so much fun taking it on all our family adventures.
in kerala during recent flooding the modified old jeeps did a fantastic rescue , sometimes even wading in depths that covered their bonnets too you should watch thos videos❤
It doesn't look to me like the defender staggled with the Bamhole exit. I think the driver was just a bit too careful. It touched down just like the toyota did, a little power should have taken it forward and out. Rather than reversing back and then trying again and then again. Not the defender's fault in my opinion.
The test is nice, ok. Not particularly hard but ok. The problem I see in this review is that it’s done from the on roader perspective. The same drive with off road driver would bring for sure different result but most likely different conclusions. From a off-roader perspective: the defender is a family suv with good off-road capabilities and made for drivers that are not interested in off-roading but in having a car that will bring their family to whatever lost medieval church during the summer holidays. The G-class is as always an excellent off-roader but extremely expensive to buy, with super fancy and delicate interior that breaks the heart & wallet if you scratch it. The LC250 is family off-road car that has an excellent balance between on/offroad & value x money, with not crazy mods it can become an excellent off-road machine The Grenadier is the pure realization of what an adventure off-road machine is. And it’s not just because the capabilities but because it’s pure driver’s skills focused. Yes, it’s not fast and nimble on road, but the off-roaders look for another things, and the Grenadier brings exactly what the off-roaders like and miss from the others.
Many of then originated from the Willis Jeep, the Land Cruiser for example but only the first edition, the normal Land Cruiser has rectangular headlights and looks much cooler imo
I find this whole thing a bit ridiculous. Saying the G is less good an offroad since it is to expensive and preferring the Toyota because of that reason while nobody will buy that Toyota new for serious off-roading since it is to expensive and the old stuff is way better.
The G was a good of road. As a military vehicle early in the 1980s and it is better than any GB product but the new G they are all over powered and heavy lux tractors for the stock market guy. Toyota still rule the dirt water stone and sand. Yeah... I have the Merc X5 and a Yaris. The Japanese are my favorite. The best 4x4 of road in the world are the Volvo Feltvagn (Field Wagon) military.
In the States we do have the Land Cruiser, however we only have it with the turbo 4cyl hybrid version. We also get another version as the 4Runner. Same powertrain with an off-road specific Old Man Emu suspension front sway bar disconnect, rear locker and more ground clearance. It should do everything the Land Cruiser does with better off-road chops. I have a Trailhunter version on order to replace my current 5th gen 4Runner. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the others.
In order to make these tests, truly comparable. You should run the exact same model tires across all of the vehicles. When it comes to offloading tires, make the biggest difference almost more than anything else.
Toyota traction control is out of this world. It allows you to increase power in such an incremental manner that you never lose traction. It feels so refined and effective instead of muscling your way out of a difficult section.
It was all good until the end - you did the rock crawling the wrong way. The way you did it the low range was complete overkill you could do it on neutral and someone push it - the right way is uphill! Then you test ti, so go back do it right!
Damn that was difficult to watch, so I stopped. I think you boys need to head to Australia and learn how to actually use a 4x4. I was cringing with embarrassment for you watching the break over testing and “river crossings”. It also drives anyone in a market where they sell an actual 300 series Land Cruiser nuts listening to you call the Prado a Land Cruiser.
Can’t wait to see the comments sections on the Grenadier a few more years down the road. The more we share about how damn indestructible the mechanicals are in these vehicles, the more I tend to believe our Grenadiers will be just fine being hammered on off-road for a good 10 years and always get us home. After a few years of experience and learning after delivering such a spectacularly capable first model launch, I’m quite confident the Grenadier with fully dominate its class in most any off-road head to head of off the showroom floor review. Will always adore my Toyota FJ’s that I have had a 45 year relationship with. But component for component, I am absolutely amazed that someone has actually introduced an off-road focused vehicle out of a brand new company that is literally robust enough to go into military duty conditions right off the showroom floor. Yes, the underside of that vehicle is genuinely THAT robust. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
You’re all wrong. It’s a 4WD. SUV is bullshit marketing attached to vehicles which are standard hatches and wagons on stilts😂 trucks are vehicles which transport goods 😂 something like a F150 is a Ute😂 …. 🦘🤘🏾
This was the comparison test I was waiting for: Land Cruiser vs Defender vs G-Class vs Grenadier, awesome video. I was surprised to see how good the G-Class is offroad, but the clear winner is the Land Cruiser (would love short wheel version of it ) Tom and Ollie, you two are the best ;) But you missed one contender the Suzuki Jimny :D
I know it's not the LC which is being discussed here, but I had a 2019 TRD Pro 4Runner. Hated it. Gave it to my adult son. Bought a 2024 Grenadier. Love it!
The GWagon did everything better but you ring it for the cost. Ridiculous. Best is best. If it is “best for the price” then the Ineos is the best off-roader. The Toyota is 3rd in every category but you gave it 1st because it’s cheap. Stupid, really.
If you're serious about off roading the only logical choice is the toyota. You thet the toyota for reliability and access to parts and more importantly you get the toyota because of the options when fitting it out.
@@matthewfitzsimmons7355 nice joke, man! A little bit naive nowdays, but otherwise fine. New toyotas are junk! Ok, Ausies got new 70 series, that's a car, the proper offroad one. 👆He's right about GWaggen, it is simply the best, well was the best untill they did that IFS suspension. The only remaining real offroaders are this Grenadier and Suzuki Jimney, which you can buy new, cause they all got solid front axels and market specific TLC 70. Oh and Wrangler too.
My brother, there is no G wagon capable of defeating a toyota on real offroad, where reliability and no parts are a problem, and thats why the LC wins. The UN, NGOs from all over the world and ISIS somehow agree.
@@ftc_cule people who drove from Nigeria to London said the g wagon is a car to reckon with the Toyota had brake issues several times. Un and others use Toyota cos is cheap to buy and maintain only.
Wrong, toyota test seats from allllll types of manufacturers and if toyota puts the seat in the vehicle they do, its because it will last longer than any other. Just put a pair of thick sheepskin covers on top and harden up a little you pansy.
Inhave done strata Florida in my defender - no issues at all! A lot of the differences here are driver error. I have smashed my new defender about off road loads and it’s been brilliant. I do agree in raised hight the suspension is harsh - but I don’t have to raise the height that often.
Good to see someone providing an objective review of the new Land Cruiser! Drove it myself for a few days off-road and its really capable, not sure why many reviewers are so negative about it. I do also wonder if these four cars have comparable tyres, not really sure about that one...
Which of these 4x4s would you pick for an off-road adventure?
Jeep grand Waggoner
The Stig laptime of the koenigsegg jesko attack ? Where is it
Probably go with the Grenadier.
The Land Cruisers sibling, the Lexus GX550 Overtrail. For the 70K USD, it's better than the similar equipped & priced Land Cruiser, with better 4WD system, V6TT (instead of I4TT), 9K towing capacity (instead of 6K), and with a 3rd row 7 seating capability, instead of 5 seater of the hybrid-Land Cruiser.
Land cruiser the old one lol the new one sucks
8:57 And this is how you win a Darwin Award, by standing behind a vehicle that weighs more than 2 tonnes struggling for traction, trying to climb a steep and uneven slippery surface, while you stand behind and push it, thinking you're actually somehow assisting it.
Was looking for this
Yup. Failed yer IQ test bro.
Yep was about to say this as well.
You’d have thought Top Gear H&S might have improved after all the accidents over the years but no…
Top gear learned nothing from Andrew Flintoff, obv.
Ancient Aussie proverb say "If you want to explore the outback, drive a Land Rover. If you want to come back again, drive a Toyota".
These days replace Toyo with Mitsubishi. Cheers
Exactly. This is actually the slogan of the International Dull Men's Club.
I'll side with Ronnie Dahl and my own 4 decades of experience but I think Mitsubishi and the old Nissan Patrols are all fine vehicles too. But I'll stick with what's worked for me. I have owned 2 (old) defenders in my time too. Including a 300Tdi 90 which I loved. But the Toyotas I have (and they're all old ones, not current models!) are absolutely bombproof.
@typhoon-7 agreed the old ones are great mate. I wouldn't be inclined to go with a new Toyota. Cheers
Here is the Rockies in the US you only find Toyota's on the side of the trails!
Should've brought a Jimny
Nah cuz it would’ve embarrassed these cars that cost 5x more 😂😂
@@stefann908sure 😂
You can only buy the van now
@@rickgreenhalgh1357not in Australia.
Or an ATV.
I really miss clarkson hammond and may
Yeah. All these other groups are just cover bands. It was a great run those original 3 had.
@@redredred1 clarkson hammond and may were so good because they were variety presenters, not just car reviews.
And their hair
They were a bit chaotic but fun, these guys are more specialized.
Soooo boring the new TG!!!!
More cars should have overhead button consoles like the Grenadier. Manufacturers really should tap into our childish need to feel like we're piloting the Millennium Falcon or a 747 rather than driving round a tesco car park.
I agree with you 100%.
To hell with touch screens.
We need more mechanical ceiling switches with a ridiculous number of crackles.
I'm half joking, half serious, if you want to make it look cool to use a touch screen to find and set up menus, take a page out of a sci-fi movie. LOL
I know right. It’s a cool car period
It seems fun until you have to start living with it and you very quickly realise that overhead buttons are just an annoying gimmick. But if you're buying cars just to driving around Tescos car park, I guess that's your thing, lol.
Would you pay $5000 more new and $500 more for repair?
A friend and myself once got stuck going up a scree escarpment in an old Defender. It kept digging itself into the loose scree. A first gen G Wagon showed up going down the same escapement and offered to help. We winched the two cars together and the G Wagon proceeded to pull the defender all the way up the escarpment in reverse without getting itself stuck and without struggling to pull the heavy defender. It did the ~100m run in one go without stopping. The old G Wagons are IMMENSE off road machines 🔥 🫡
The 110 and 130 have exactly the same wheelbase, so the 110 is not the ' mid wheelbase' option. The 130 just has a longer rear overhang.
Is that true? The old type Defenders was like this: 110 was 110, 130 was 127, 90 was 92. something. Wheelbase, yes. The new ones I do not know much about.
Yeah, and the 130 looks super weird with that long ass overhang
@@VictorioLopes wdym, I love big ass, you don't?
You must be fun at parties
@@bhyat may as well just make everything up then on the spot.
And this is why picking a good line off-road is critical.... ever car went up the bog a different way
Every.
yup
Not to mention the traction control on the Land Rover is meant to be rev'd and work out which wheel to provide power to as it doesn't have diff locks. So when the wheel spun and they stopped, they prevented it from doing it's wizardry
Which is why diff locks might be the better option 😉
@hummerltheOh I'd take diff locks over fancy elections and sensors any day!
In Botswana 🇧🇼 when you buy an off-roader you buy a Land Cruiser, and it's definitely going off road without a shadow of a doubt 💪🏼💯
INEOS bought a safari outfitter in Bots, that did the full chop job you can see on insta. In Kenya my fiancée was riding through Nairobi and was behind a Grennie just like mine, and happened to drive by the dealership.
Unfortunately in the us you can only get gas not diesel in the Land Cruiser so kind of stinks
Shadow of a doubt 😂😂
@@slange455 You nee to spend some time in one. The HybridMax platform is really impressive.
@@Shane-zx4ps sorry.. will edit that 🤭
Nothing like a group of guys that don’t off road taking some vehicles off road…
It’s always fun to laugh at guys that don’t know what they are doing. And trying so hard to look the part in their stilly boots. Lol
I was thinking the same thing ha!
We may be able to help answer the question about the long-term reliability of the Grenadier after the trip we're currently on. It's a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road...
Do you have a web-site ? How do you fare in the cold regions ? .....In Central Asia, above 3,000 m....we had Unimogs, or MAN 6x6 or Kamazes 6x6 , all with a cabin mounted........good luck , greetings
Sick! Best of luck to you and your fam
Well said guys, your trip is surely one of the longest roughest test of any. And fair play you chose the grenadier, yes it’s a little heavy but your trip will prove that the build quality and reliability comes from the all round stronger components .
Loving your expedition , what memories you’re making .
I hope Ineos are aware and detailing your journey .
Take care and keep making dreams come true .
@@ThisiscoolGAMES Thanks so much! Plenty more to come!
Commenting so I get an update after the 5 years
Land Cruiser is the best value being the cheapest (relatively) of these SUVs. And you don't lose much compared to the other and it has better capabilities than each of them in specific categories.
And it probably holds it‘s value the best. Old Land Cruisers are so expensive
Landsnoozers are the most overrated.
@@1FiftyOverlandno. They're not.
@@TimeMariner yes. They are.
@@binskee677 The re-sale value of the “new Land Cruiser” (it’s a Prado) should really be compared with the RAV4 - not the LC200/300/70’series.
Love the Land cruiser and all, but it would be more exciting if they included the Jimny for giggles 😅
Why when it is no longer on sale ?
The new defender is on air suspension, it should have super extended mode which raises the vehicle even further when it detects it's bottomed out. It has been around since the disco 3. They need to do their research
It's funny because other new Defender 110s (factory spec) have managed the bomb hole without touching anything.
The dude driving had no clue, made it worse
22:41 "The Land Cruiser is self-healing" 🤣
Quite satisfying seeing these "Chelsea Tractors" in their proper environment
Winner
The fans being turned off in wading mode in the Grenadier is not to stop water being pulled into the radiator. What would be the advantage of that?
The fan/s being stopped is to avoid a spinning fan hitting the water and bending/breaking and damaging the radiator.
Maybe do a little bit of research before reviews.
That's a weird error. A radiator is part of a closed loop, anyway.
100% These guys are clearly not seasoned off-roaders.
The fluid in the radiator is part of a closed loop, but the fans behind the radiator pull air across/through the radiator to exchange heat. @christiaanvisagie3530 is correct in their statement.
The first time I waded a truck I hit the water hard and the fan put a hole in the radiator... you only do it once or put some perforated metal between them... learnt the hard way with that one though...
It's mainly to stop water being thrown all over the electrics.
With the Defender, why did you not use the cameras that give you clear visibility underneath to see where obstructions are so you can navigate? Why was this information hidden from the review. I went on an off road course in the Defender and this function was the most important and most used option which resulted in a flawless navigation of extreme conditions. This was a set up to try and get the Defender to fail and I'm sorry but the bald guy has only ever driven over a kerb before by the standards of his driving.
he cant drive 🤦
I can tell you after 5.5 years of G Wagon ownership (same redesigned chassis) there is NO shake or “shimy”. The G is rock solid and you will never hear a rattle or squeak.
It kills me people keep comparing the Grenadier to the Defender. Zero similarity. The Grenadier is a bargain budget G Wagon sharing Magna Steyr roots. Handling perhaps more like a 460.
Shake or shimmy migraine inducing shudder is the Toyota truck way, not the G or Defender in any way.
G Wagons are for knobs.
Gently forward?? Man I miss Clarkson 😪
Yeah. We need Clarkson’s ‘full-send’. The powaaaaah!!
You can always pop down into his little cute little farm shop and have a good chin wag about how good the old days were
@@salvi1398 i live in the US so thats not happenin’. Lol
Um. Not really...
Would have speed and power all the way 😪
Think the hosts need to look into tech details before recording.
yeah cringe stuff from such a big channel
A have a friend who has a 45 year old Land Cruiser and he drives this thing every day well over 400000 miles on it with no problems whatsoever says he doesn’t need to buy a new one cause he feels his still has a long way to go probably pass it down to one of his kids
In Australia there are many "working" Landcruisers with well over 700k on them & zero reliability issues. In the outback , Land Rover owners are called thrill seekers....because they invariably end up having to use bush survival skills. 😂😂
Yea, with naturally aspirated V8, I don't think you are going to be able to do the same with that 4cyl
Old ones are good, but not new ones
I’ve got a 1995 80 series landcruiser with 606000kms on it about to take it away remote beach camping for 10 days with the family.
I’m also on my second 200 series. First was 2008 and sold it to a friend was has now done 450000kms on it and tows his big boat 2000km up north in west oz. Current 200 has 250000 is a 2017 with DPfs and drives like a new car.
What do you mean the new ones aren’t good?
It’s also worth more than I paid for it 4 years ago…
As many Ozzie’s have suggested in the comments section there is a reason we drive Toyotas. 👍🏼
@chad7580-t2l you mean 60k?
Why does everybody refuse to put the cars in the same tires when they test them??
The tire is the single most important factor when driving offroad.
Having one car on street tires and another one on Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs makes the comparison basically worthless
Probably because these are press cars which they don't own and can't mess with
I think there’s also an element of wanting to demonstrate these vehicles’ “out of the box” off road capability.
Good point
Because they are testing what comes from factory. If one manufacturer comes with better tyres than another, then that is not their fault. If you want to buy your own tyres for your own vehicle then fine.
@@vanderz1012 Some companies give out more off-roady tires because some rich customers like that look even tho they won't ride on anything but asphalt. While other more reasonable companies employ sensible tires that will have better asphalt performance, knowing most of these vehicles won't be used in off roading anyway... If you are a "Off Roader", you'll have the money to switch to the required tires. Off Roading is an expensive hobby to begin with...
So when a "Performance Comparison" is being done, unless you include the same tires and review their road fuel economy, sound inside the car, ride comfort and speed performance too; it doesn't really make much sense to keep factory tires imo.
I’m a massive fan of Landcruisers, I’ve had 4, but to be fair to the Grenadier, the steering system is more agricultural because it’s tougher and more off road focused than all of the others, this means there will always be compromises on road, great test Gents.👍
The guy driving the Defender during the breakover / departure test is a total arse.
Too right! I caught myself yelling at the telly! 😄
Maybe not the most well versed in off road driving, but I don't think that makes him an arse surely lol
Well, It's not driver's fault that Defender was designed to look big in a city, rather than do the actual off-roading.
To be frank, Defender performed exactly as I expected. No surprises there.
@@Intergalactic_mediathe telly? It's a TV.
Not sure he is an arse, but he is most certainly a shit off road driver.
I am not sure if I should laugh or cry. If you pump the Defenders air suspension up then you take a lot the wheel articulation away. Surprise surprise. Grenadier doesn't have outdated steering, it has a solid front axle so it has the only steering you can have. Hence the reason the others have changed to independent front suspension.
Agree 100%. The Grenadier steering is a little vague on the road because it's built for off road (although you soon get used to it), something that these amateurs failed to point out during the 'off road' test.
My old K5 Blazer has a solid front axle, and it would run circles inside all of these (even though it has Auburn limited slip front, locking at rear) because you can not make a birfield joint that can handle the same turning degrees as Blazer:s joints. Here in Finland we call independent front suspension "risukeula" , "a front suspension made of twigs". It is easier to make car like handling 4x4 with independent suspension, my H3 has it, but the downside is the mechanical flimsiness of driveshafts compared to real axle. Original HUMVEE had independent suspension both ends, partly because of needed longitudinal ground clearance, partly because of interchangeability of front and rear suspension components. But it is not comfy...
The presenters are halfwits
I just amazed the land rover didn't break down
@@briancrossley1710 Absolutely right. The same goes for the Jeep Wrangler. Also, you won't break a hand or finger when off road because the steering wheel doesn't turn sharply. It is smoother off road and you get used to it and don't even notice the vagueness on pavement.
The guy in the Defender can’t drive, the bombhole proved it.
Clarkson would say.. he's useless
8:21 Definitely user error 😂 can’t drive it up for nothing 😂
I agree😂 I was like bro has no idea what he's doing
As most people in the UK would drive their 4x4 on the road the obvious choice is the Defender! But ,The Landcruiser is a vehicle of respect!!
Great test, my money would be spent on the Toyota.
That's what Toyota was hoping you would say...After they became the primary sponsor.
@@shaunmurray8132 There's a reason why Landcruisers outsell the others. I went to Africa and they were everywhere and in fact, the LC200 was more of a status symbol than the Range Rover.
@@blazzz13facts here in Africa we cal it the Toyota Land Cruiser V8even if the V8 was discontinued I pray God gives me the money to afford one
@@blazzz13 yea but my point is, that was more of an ad than a 'review'...the way everything was setup throughout made it eye-rollingly obvious.
@blazzz13 a reason toyota sell more because there are less people that can afford the other 3. If all four are the same price, I don't think toyota will be the best seller.
Wish they used a little Jimny to see how good it would be against the giants!
Am a merc guy, but gotta love the Toyota. Need this series every Saturday!
Nice, honest compliment!
If this is the future of motoring journalism, I want out
In the INEOS you can engage all diff locks on the move (it's actually better!). Only low range requires to be in neutral like most other 4wd.
Yes, and drive upto 40 mph if you select low range . I don’t think any other 4x4 offers that
and Grenadier allows all 8 gears in low range... rest do not.
There is so much about the off road capability of the Grenadier that these guys failed to mention during this 'serious off road test, not sure they even knew about most of it.
Toyota all the way
All the way to the recycling bins with that ugly heap?!
When you test range rover make sure to bring a land cruiser to tow it and bring it back 😂
I love the way the Chief Test Driver emphasised on "Bomb Hole!" twice, just so no one gets the wrong idea! 4:13 - 4:15🤣🤣🤣
Trying desperately to say nice things about the Defender... its hilarous... it nice on-road....dropping the kids off at the pool 🤣
Clearly off-road driving is not their forte, but in many ways that made this episode more interesting. Good fun Gents
Guys u need to waffle less it’s too boring
Correct, I’m giving up watching……nothing interesting happening here…
Sgree
The best way to get through this video is by skipping most of it
@@jamessquair6829 better by reading comments.
@@jilokizito1705 yep, I'm reading all the comments (that know more about the cars than these guys) whilst they're waffling rubbish in the background.
I have done The Whipsaw Trail with my 2020 Defender 110 and had no issues on any trail. Pretty much it made the trail easy. Driver needs more confidence behind the off road wheel.
Which direction? Also, the issue with the Defender is independent suspension mixed with air. When you jack it up there is no flex. That is always gonna be an issue. I also worry about LR electronics. Personally would not take one down Whipsaw out of fear that it would need a tow out. Toyota will always get you in, and out.
@@Jordan-ql8pv I just love when people claim that a certain car “will ALWAYS get you in and out” - do you even have a drivers license - or are you just re-circulating “facts from the internet”?
@scandinavia6271 personal experiences, and I own a yota
@@scandinavia6271 Come to Australia, and you will see why LR's are not used off road anymore. Toyota's rule for a reason. I met a couple that had to pay $10,000 to recover their LR when the axle snapped.
The Whipsaw trail isn't difficult by no means as long as you don't have street tires and engage 4x4 once or twice. The whole trail is an entry level forest service type road that has some optional obstacles, and popularized on youtube because its off a major highway. For any serious offroad obstacles all you you need 2" lift and high clearance bumper otherwise you will rip off your plastic bumpers. The rest of the "trinkets" in this video have no impact on off roading capability.
When it comes to Land Rover product, you need to let the Terrain Response do the work. In every instance, when the wheel started to slip you let off the accelerator pedal. The trick is to stay in it a little longer, and the TR do it's job. It's an amazing bit of kit.
100%. He didn’t let it do its job
The only thing missing on all models tested, is that "option"...that makes the cars very cappable in offroad... it's "seated" between the steering wheel and driver seat...
Unfortunately non of the cars has it in this video...
If you want to go into the outback take a Landrover, If you want to come back out take a Toyota. 2009-2010 parts of Aberdeenshire had snow without a break for 5 months, my Toyota started outside at -24°C, pushed through 2ft of drifting snow for mile upon mile and never felt like I was out of my or its depth. At 7 years old it threw a piston and Toyota stepped up and replaced the engine, I paid labour. If I'd kept up dealer servicing they were prepared to pay the whole jing-bang. No other manufacturer would offer that level of support and acknowledge it was their fault for a bi-metallic corrosion issue with the c.h gasket. Landrover...my split new S1 Freeloader threw a piston at 3,000 miles/2 months old and Landie had the audacity to charge for engine oil in the repaired car.
The problem with Defender in its high suspension setting is that there is no more downward travel for any wheel. It performs much better in standard ride height but that means that it would ground in the middle, have a worse break over angle and wouldn’t get over the top of that hole anyway.
Many people don't know, but when the defender detects that the ground clearance is lower, they can activate height mode 2 by pressing the lift button again.
Maybe something in the middle would be a good compromise?
Normally when it’s jacked up so high and on an incline where the diagonal wheels are in the air, it takes off a bit of pressure from the tires pushing on the ground and sends it to the ones in the air to try and push them towards the ground while bringing the car lower to the ground. But it’s not very effective like hydraulic suspension on Toyotas. This one though doesn’t have it
If low range is selected this changes the articulation.
Never compare with G wagon
I know they are not really comparable price wise, but I really like the G-Class and the Land Cruiser. The Defender looks great but I simply don´t trust it and the Granadier is too focused on off road for daily use.
I’ve driven the Grenedier on road and these guys are being so dramatic. You get used to the steering very quickly and it’s actually pretty comfortable on road.
the guy who envisioned making the Grenadier explicity said that was the reason he did it. That the Defender became more of a soft-roader and he wanted something that was focused on off road capability and durability like the old Defenders were. He tried to buy the production tooling from JLR and they turned him down. sorry to repeat a wiki article but it does seem he was proven right. I don't think the Defender is a lost cause, it has it's purpose it just isn't what the Defender used to be.
8:55 .. this is sooo mean! You've got a pothole right behind the ascent! 😂😂😂
Had two Defenders; first returned under warranty due to multiple faults that couldn’t be fixed (though the dealer put it back on the forecourt barely a week later at more than I paid for it) and the second sold back to the dealer for what I paid for it as it also had numerous faults. Wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
The Mitsubishi shotguns
Are brilliant.
And cheap
@rodneyleonard6275 I love the look of the 3 door shoguns. Lovely cars
Which is the best one for the half mile school run?
G
Land Cruisers have been $75k - $95k for many years now. They are Land Cruisers after all. And they don't depreciate.
9:07 Many people don't know, but when the defender detects that the ground clearance is lower, they can activate height mode 2 by pressing the lift button again.
Great video. Makes my choice in buying the LC250 so very justified. I considered the Defender but it didn't feel quite right. The Ineos would have been hated thoroughly by my wife with all the levers and switches. The LC250 has been so much fun taking it on all our family adventures.
My dream car garage now is the land cruiser for myself and the Lexus equivalent for the missus
My old 90. cheers from Italy 🇮🇹
in kerala during recent flooding the modified old jeeps did a fantastic rescue , sometimes even wading in depths that covered their bonnets too you should watch thos videos❤
Same thing happened during the Spanish floods - they had the jeeps pulling cars from flooded carparks and muddy roads and transporting stuff
It doesn't look to me like the defender staggled with the Bamhole exit. I think the driver was just a bit too careful. It touched down just like the toyota did, a little power should have taken it forward and out. Rather than reversing back and then trying again and then again. Not the defender's fault in my opinion.
Amazing video, thanks guys! Love to see real off-road tests and you guys certainly delivered 🎉🎉
The test is nice, ok. Not particularly hard but ok.
The problem I see in this review is that it’s done from the on roader perspective.
The same drive with off road driver would bring for sure different result but most likely different conclusions.
From a off-roader perspective:
the defender is a family suv with good off-road capabilities and made for drivers that are not interested in off-roading but in having a car that will bring their family to whatever lost medieval church during the summer holidays.
The G-class is as always an excellent off-roader but extremely expensive to buy, with super fancy and delicate interior that breaks the heart & wallet if you scratch it.
The LC250 is family off-road car that has an excellent balance between on/offroad & value x money, with not crazy mods it can become an excellent off-road machine
The Grenadier is the pure realization of what an adventure off-road machine is. And it’s not just because the capabilities but because it’s pure driver’s skills focused. Yes, it’s not fast and nimble on road, but the off-roaders look for another things, and the Grenadier brings exactly what the off-roaders like and miss from the others.
Every SUV has a round headlight!
Many of then originated from the Willis Jeep, the Land Cruiser for example but only the first edition, the normal Land Cruiser has rectangular headlights and looks much cooler imo
I find this whole thing a bit ridiculous. Saying the G is less good an offroad since it is to expensive and preferring the Toyota because of that reason while nobody will buy that Toyota new for serious off-roading since it is to expensive and the old stuff is way better.
The G was a good of road. As a military vehicle early in the 1980s and it is better than any GB product but the new G they are all over powered and heavy lux tractors for the stock market guy. Toyota still rule the dirt water stone and sand. Yeah... I have the Merc X5 and a Yaris. The Japanese are my favorite.
The best 4x4 of road in the world are the Volvo Feltvagn (Field Wagon) military.
You’ll never find a more divided group than car enthusiasts and I love it lmao. And these overlanders are sick!
My 2012 Jeep Liberty trail rated KK is right at home with these brutes! Easy peasy. 😊👍🏼 , but from this group, I’d take the Grenadier
I love that these kind of videos are being made but if you don't put the same tires on all the vehicles it really is a pointless comparison.
This is more a driver test than a vehicle test, its in whose hands the car is it seems!🚙
2:11 seen a ninja 😅
Sheesh, the production value is next level and the presenters - well presented. This was extremely enjoyable!
In the States we do have the Land Cruiser, however we only have it with the turbo 4cyl hybrid version. We also get another version as the 4Runner. Same powertrain with an off-road specific Old Man Emu suspension front sway bar disconnect, rear locker and more ground clearance. It should do everything the Land Cruiser does with better off-road chops. I have a Trailhunter version on order to replace my current 5th gen 4Runner. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the others.
The car is getting beached in the middle. The spotter youre allright keep going 😂😂😂
In order to make these tests, truly comparable. You should run the exact same model tires across all of the vehicles. When it comes to offloading tires, make the biggest difference almost more than anything else.
Toyota traction control is out of this world. It allows you to increase power in such an incremental manner that you never lose traction. It feels so refined and effective instead of muscling your way out of a difficult section.
It was all good until the end - you did the rock crawling the wrong way.
The way you did it the low range was complete overkill you could do it on neutral and someone push it - the right way is uphill! Then you test ti, so go back do it right!
Very educational video 😊
Rear/centre/front Diff lock.
Approach Angles etc.
This video review was exceptional 👏🏿
Big ups to team!
Wish they’d fit the same tire (tyre?) on each to control the variable.
I’m calling out Driver Error on the defender! (Defender owner). Great video.👍🏿
It would have been better if you had stated some data about the vehicles (technical data, price) as text on the screen. I am watching from Turkey.
An ‘06 Lexus LX470 with a mild lift and 185k miles on it does this with relative ease.
Damn that was difficult to watch, so I stopped. I think you boys need to head to Australia and learn how to actually use a 4x4. I was cringing with embarrassment for you watching the break over testing and “river crossings”. It also drives anyone in a market where they sell an actual 300 series Land Cruiser nuts listening to you call the Prado a Land Cruiser.
Can’t wait to see the comments sections on the Grenadier a few more years down the road. The more we share about how damn indestructible the mechanicals are in these vehicles, the more I tend to believe our Grenadiers will be just fine being hammered on off-road for a good 10 years and always get us home. After a few years of experience and learning after delivering such a spectacularly capable first model launch, I’m quite confident the Grenadier with fully dominate its class in most any off-road head to head of off the showroom floor review. Will always adore my Toyota FJ’s that I have had a 45 year relationship with. But component for component, I am absolutely amazed that someone has actually introduced an off-road focused vehicle out of a brand new company that is literally robust enough to go into military duty conditions right off the showroom floor. Yes, the underside of that vehicle is genuinely THAT robust.
👍🏻😎👍🏻
Plan on having my Grennie a long time.
Plus the BMW inline 6 is a great motor
Toyota knows how to build a truck.
SUV* that's not a truck mate
@@axellnessit’s body on frame
@@nissanhonda25that doesnt make it a truck. Lol. These are all SUVs
You’re all wrong. It’s a 4WD. SUV is bullshit marketing attached to vehicles which are standard hatches and wagons on stilts😂 trucks are vehicles which transport goods 😂 something like a F150 is a Ute😂 …. 🦘🤘🏾
@@John_Redcorn_ its a pure 4X4. not an "SUV" which literally means "Sports Utility Vehicle"
love this battle and these cars are made for these territory🔥🔥
This
@mattmorris2867 Thanks man
That’s not a Landcruiser. It’s a Prado.
Prado is a Land Cruiser also
No such thing as Prados in Europe mate.
It's the LC 250 series.
Exactly they don't know
@@SerikonaSerit is but it is not a flagship variant
Land Rover would have easily made that first bung hole if the driver had more confidence. It was doing fine until he retried it again and again 😂
Love my defender and just tested a deisel one in New Zealand and wow what we are missing in the States.
Love seeing more long-form tests like this!
The bald guy just kept grinding that defender over the rocks.
Comparing a lemon to a peach to a pineapple to a fish. Top Gear logic never fails. Journalism is so junior.
Great content but zero banter. Top gear of old is long gone
I have been an insomniac for 30 years. The 8 minutes of thoughts-so-far cracked it. Thank you, Top Gear
If you want something that you can actually drive and not stare at it through a window at your mechanic - buy the Toyota.
This was the comparison test I was waiting for: Land Cruiser vs Defender vs G-Class vs Grenadier, awesome video. I was surprised to see how good the G-Class is offroad, but the clear winner is the Land Cruiser (would love short wheel version of it )
Tom and Ollie, you two are the best ;)
But you missed one contender the Suzuki Jimny :D
The landrover in the bombhole was just drivers inability to drive off-road and they are talking just tosh.
I know it's not the LC which is being discussed here, but I had a 2019 TRD Pro 4Runner. Hated it. Gave it to my adult son. Bought a 2024 Grenadier. Love it!
These aren't even in the same $$$ point, Grenadier all the way. 100%
The GWagon did everything better but you ring it for the cost. Ridiculous. Best is best. If it is “best for the price” then the Ineos is the best off-roader. The Toyota is 3rd in every category but you gave it 1st because it’s cheap. Stupid, really.
If you're serious about off roading the only logical choice is the toyota. You thet the toyota for reliability and access to parts and more importantly you get the toyota because of the options when fitting it out.
@@matthewfitzsimmons7355 nice joke, man! A little bit naive nowdays, but otherwise fine.
New toyotas are junk!
Ok, Ausies got new 70 series, that's a car, the proper offroad one.
👆He's right about GWaggen, it is simply the best, well was the best untill they did that IFS suspension.
The only remaining real offroaders are this Grenadier and Suzuki Jimney, which you can buy new, cause they all got solid front axels and market specific TLC 70. Oh and Wrangler too.
Toyota is Toyota brother it is the beast of the off road trails
My brother, there is no G wagon capable of defeating a toyota on real offroad, where reliability and no parts are a problem, and thats why the LC wins. The UN, NGOs from all over the world and ISIS somehow agree.
@@ftc_cule people who drove from Nigeria to London said the g wagon is a car to reckon with the Toyota had brake issues several times. Un and others use Toyota cos is cheap to buy and maintain only.
So the Grenadier is ranked depending on his road ability 😂😂
Just buy the Land Cruiser. It’s the only one that will still be working in ten years
Terrible seats though, brutal on your back vs the other 3. Toyota (outside of Lexus) just cannot make a quality seat for extended drives.
Wrong, toyota test seats from allllll types of manufacturers and if toyota puts the seat in the vehicle they do, its because it will last longer than any other. Just put a pair of thick sheepskin covers on top and harden up a little you pansy.
probably not, sh*t tonnes of old landrovers still around, and the grenadier has a well tested engine. Not to mention then LC is new, and unproven yet.
@@hdr96kProper LandCruisers get proper seats.
@craigdavid6668 Toyota sure isn't making proper seats.
Inhave done strata Florida in my defender - no issues at all! A lot of the differences here are driver error. I have smashed my new defender about off road loads and it’s been brilliant. I do agree in raised hight the suspension is harsh - but I don’t have to raise the height that often.
Good to see someone providing an objective review of the new Land Cruiser! Drove it myself for a few days off-road and its really capable, not sure why many reviewers are so negative about it. I do also wonder if these four cars have comparable tyres, not really sure about that one...