Michael Jai White vs Bruce Lee: “honest expression of self” gets you kicked out of the church of JKD
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2021
- What’s up with martial arts actor Michael Jai White claiming he could beat Bruce Lee in a fight? How did this conceptual drama between the multidisciplinary black belt and fans of the founder of Jeet Kune Do begin?
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I can’t believe it’s controversial to say a heavyweight beats a bantamweight.
You know how many people I have seen get there ass beat by smaller and or weaker people a shitload ask Mike Tyson's opponents if size matters they were all bigger than him.
@@shawnsmith2610
The same with Rocky Marciano...and he was undefeated throughout his professional boxing career and was world heavyweight champion.
One of the best, according to many...he was very short for a heavyweight.
@@roybeckerman9253 height doesn’t equate to weight mike tysons big as fuck him and Sean o malley are the same height but mike tysons clearly way bigger bro
@@shawnsmith2610 you seem to have confused height with weight 🤔
@@roybeckerman9253 he was very short but in today's world of heavyweights, he'd get obliterated.
Marciano is so small that in today's weight class, he would be a crusier weight. He wouldn't be a light HEAVYWEIGHT.
What is he? Like 5'9 185lbs and slow.
Put him up against Lennox Lewis. 6'5-6'6 254lbs. Or fury 6'9 270lbs and fast.
RUMMY'S corner did an interview with late great trainer Emmanuel Stewart and he said that Rocky was great, but his talent couldn't be enuff to make up for the massive physical advantages of today's boxers. Especially if that boxer was fast.
Bruce Lee worship is one of the biggest impediments in understanding JKD as he intended it.
The correct answer is, it depends on the situation, but yes Bruce Lee could definitely lose against him but nothing is guaranteed.
Because all things are not actually being equal
The Jack man fight is the reason why Bruce abandoned wing Chun
Finally someone with common sense
@@jestfullgremblim8002
And, I happen to be a lifetime JKD student.
There is literally no bloody way Bruce wins that fight. He wouldn't have the power to stop him and would be overwhelmed quickly by the bigger stronger man.
@@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi In a padded ring, without shoes, we’re both fighters have a chance to study each other, and then face off, Bruce would have maybe a %10 chance of survival.
In a sudden violent encounter in a parking lot, on asphalt, with boots, I give Bruce about 50/50 because the only real play Lee would have is constant low line attacks to the knees and groin, with evasive footwork, and maybe a lucky fingerjab to the eyes.
He would have to fence with his feet, tap and run, there’s no other way for him to win
@@robertvondarth1730 MJW is way too skilled, your talking about the same techniques that MJW also knows. Its not like your talking about a boxer who never trained in self defense techniques.
naw Bruce Lee one time kicked a punching bag filled with fire hydrants through a brick wall. My uncle knew a guy who saw him do that.
Doesn't matter. Size does matter. BL will lose in this fight.
My dog told me about that. He was having a piss against that fire hydrant.
@@luisvelazquez5420,
I did. I love BL but I'm not those cultist type that put him on a demigod pedestal. Are you one of those moron? I hope not.
@@luisvelazquez5420,
I didn't say any of that. I was responding to the guy above that BL will get wrecked by MJW because size does matter. Both of them are great actors and a respectable martial artists. But MJW win in this fight. No disrespect to BL but a fact is a fact. People who sees that BL is unbeatable are the disrespectful ones. BL never wanted that. Read his books. As he gets older he became a more humble kinda person. BL's cultists are nothing more than a bunch of butt licking garbage.
@@luisvelazquez5420,
It doesn't matter. I'm not talking about BL's past achievement. This video is about a fight between MJW and BL, and MJW clearly win this one.
MAN!!! I got into a big fight when I was younger, I beat millions of other sperm to get into the egg! That was a great battle!
Hahahahahahaha.good one.Truley a good one.
@Asa Yagami i was told i was all alone,
my father told me🤣🤣🤣
It's pretty unfair to expect so much from Bruce Lee considering the martial contributions he's already made considering the time in history, his smaller frame, and his legacy. Beating someone significantly larger with proper sparring skill is too much to ask of almost everyone. Proof that if your life revolves around being tougher or more lethal than the other people you don't like will make you miserable. I'm afraid that Anglosphere culture can exacerbate this, which definitely includes Asian American men. I do HEMA but I learnt to manage my expectations and goals so that it's fun and not stressful.
I prefer to remember him as the man who transformed mystic monastery culture into a small business they teach people how to open in universities. he was the Ronald Mcdonald of karate schools all of them. there would be no ATA and no McDojos if he hadn't helped so much to systematize the business of teaching martial arts.
Bruce Lee should be remembered for his philosophical contributions and shining the light on training methods that lack pressure are inferior. Otherwise, that scene in 'once upon a time in Hollywood' is hilarious.
And totally disrespectful to Bruce Lee's memory, might I add.
@@echelon2k8 you got a link to the scene? I gotta see what folks say
@@echelon2k8 If any person feels hurt by that scene, that shows that it was time to ridicule the strange cult that people have built around Bruce Lee.
@@NotaNazgul So if they did the same disrespectful thing to Muhammad Ali's memory, you'd be perfectly fine with it?
@@echelon2k8 do you realize that Bruce has been parodied many times in film, video games and anime? Dragonball had a caricature of Bruce that gets beaten up by a child Goku in a fighting tournament, Fei Long and Marshall Law are both often portrayed as joke characters in the Tekken and Streetfighter games especially in their story cut scenes, once upon a time in Hong Kong cinema there were a slew of Bruceploitation films where kung fu movie directors would cast actors who bore a physical resemblance to Bruce Lee in order to capitalize off Bruce Lees fame, they would often market these films as authentic Bruce Lee films too, look up actors like Kim Tai Chung, Bruce Li, Bruce Lai, Dragon Lee, Bruce Le and gosh the list could go on, in fact... Game of Death was incomplete by the time of Bruce Lees death, they hired stuntmen like Kim Tai Chung, and the then unknown Yuen Biao and Yuen Wah to don stage make up and wigs to play Bruce in order to finish the film and they even still went on to make a sequel Game of Death 2 which featured a cardboard cut out of Bruce and clips from Way of the Dragon in the film to give the illusion that Bruce acted in the film, Donnie Yen and Sammo hung both also made films where they play caricatures inspired by Bruce called Enter the Fat Dragon... So you wanna talk about disrespectful, the very same people that praise him today also disrespectfully profited off his name and have portrayed him in a mocking manner before in the past, and mind you these were fellow Asian people, for all those that like to say, the reason Tarantino did that was because he's racist.
Bruce Lee actually taught me to "embrace my own potential", even though it was achieved in a significantly different way that anyone would think at the first glance...
I used to be BL's die-hard fan in the older days. I even studied Wing Chun for a couple of years (I know, I know...). I realized later, in a humiliating way, that WC was not the most useful fighting tool, when I tried to spar with a guy that did boxing. We didn't spar during WC classes, because - Sensei's words - "you cannot spar in WC, as it is meant to actually hurt someone, therefore sparring is out of question" ("it's for DA STREETZ, hell yeah!").
Yet the funniest thing from these times was that Sensei was telling stories that he went here and there, got into a bar fight, kicked someone's ass... These events happened very often and always "right after we separated" so that none of the students could see it. What a strange coincidence(s)!
So anyway, after this famous sparring with the guy that did boxing (not even a boxer), I thought to myself that perhaps it's time to grow up and as a result, I signed out of the "Cult of Bruce Lee" and never had any idols to worship ever since. I got bigger, got a job and got into urban exploration. And you know what? Even when visiting some old hotels, hospitals, bunkers, palaces, often at night and meeting homeless guys, drunks, there were no fights. Never. Ever. Yet real fights "happened" to my ex-Sensei all the time. In public, crowded places. Life can be full of surprises sometimes!
Now I know this story sounds like it was made up by some sworn BL hater, even I find it hard to believe and try to deny it (as it is downright embarrasing to me), but that's actually how it was. Unfortunately...
But hell, I'm much happier nowadays than back then anyway. And yet BL's movies are still fun!
I remember reading an article about Bruce Lee being asked if he can beat Muhammad Ali. He said Ali would win and listed all the factors. Bruce Lee was honest about himself and made improvements. Too bad he died young. I'm curious what he would have done in JKD development if he lived longer. Haduuken!
Agreed, although some of his fan boys said he was one modest or just in boxing others don't believe he said it at all
I think Bruce was being humble. And that was a boxing match no kicking
@@chozen0018 no he wasn't being humble
I am a BIG Bruce Lee fan. But, not because I think he was the greatest fighter in the world but because his beliefs about the marital arts were way ahead of his time. He is like Einstein in that his ideas are now commonly accepted as valid but in his day, "Studying multiple styles" was blasphemy!
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Oh nice man! Train hard
@@Testosterooster 🙏✌ thanks
You beat me to it! I've been planning to do a video on MJW saying this on Rickey Smiley's show and then how DJ Vlad asks every single guest about it 7 years later.
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What's your opinion on Savate? Considering its huge growth in popularity since 2010, I would like to hear your opinion on its applicability in actual fights.
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Hi Ramsey you might be right about people worshipping bruce lee. How ever you do not know who would win that fight. just because someone is bigger does not mean they can beat the smaller guy. and just because someone is an acter does not mean they cannot fight. do not forget you guys are doing a sport. there are no sports in a street fight. also people are worshipping Brazilian jujitsu. so you see there are plenty of worshippers.
@@michaelperrins2848 Bruce was a pioneer he was doing mma striking and graplling .
Most influencial marcial artist in the world .
I think mr Wite would beat bruce lee being that bruce was a more complete fighter both in skill and in mindset.
But White is so big strong and fast i think he would win (Fast for his size).
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I agree with Michael Jai white...still the biggest fan (lots of shirts of him)of Bruce lee and I’m sure a sparring session would be fun..but I think even he would admit (like he did with Muhammad Ali) that Jai White would win.
That is if you can take Robert Clouse at his word, the guy who also started the false rumor that Bruce Lee wanted to kill Bob Wall.
He didnt say he was better, he said he was larger
but that is a big advantage to have though
@@guts7958
Yeah thats the point
Ramsey with a cap?! NO WAY! What an amazing sight, trillions of people have died and will die without seeing this.
Nice cap, I like it, I like caps. You should wear it more on camera.
Ackshually... The very first time I saw Coach Dewey's face (courtesy of YT algorithm) years ago, he was wearing a cap, a flat cap to be precise, talking about when a black belt meant something "back in the daaaay" , and I think he donned it several times
He grew hair lol
We can’t see the whole hat though, it’s partially cut off my screen. We don’t know what’s on top
NO! indoor caps on middle-aged men project baldness insecurity! Ramsay has already embraced his iconic, perfect dome and must continue to be a beacon of self-acceptance for the rest of us losing our hair!
If size didn't matter, we wouldn't have weight classes in combat sports.
The first few UFC had no weight classes.
@@RicoMnc UFC has weight classes now. But that was a crazy time, the early days of UFC.
@@RicoMnc those people that fought weren't that far off from each other's weight anyway, if someone as small as Bruce would have entered he would have been koed
@@guts7958 That is most likely, but sometimes there are exceptional fighters who overcome great odds.
Watch the documentary "Choke", it is here on YT, a guy about Bruce's size makes it to the finals against Rickson Gracie after very courageous, if not insane efforts to defeat much larger opponents.
He was a Japanese judoka with Japanese pro-wrestling experience.
After losing to Rickson he trained BJJ and many years later earns his black belt despite having lost sight in one of his eyes due to participating in that fight tournament. Never fought professionally again tho', I think.
@@RicoMnc ya but that those guys were proven fighters, Bruce was not, it happens but rarely
MJW would handle Bruce fairly easily. He is a highly accomplished martial artist and he is insanely fit. Size doesn't matter if only one person knows how to fight. If both know how to fight, than size 100% matters.
Agreed. Bruce was a pioneer of modern martial arts, and for his time, he was definitely very profound and I’m sure he could handle his own in a fight, but MJW grew up in a different time period, with better training methods. He’s trained with professional fighters, he has trained in more efficient ways than what Bruce Lee had known or had access to 50 some years ago.
And I'd batter both put together. One dim mak is all it would take to finish both at the same time.
Yes, but there's still knowing how to fight and then knowing how to fight. Not all fighters are created equal. Also, don't forget that Bruce Lee was also a highly accomplished martial artist and insanely fit.
I think size always matters. Especially if the size is also with greater strenght
@@echelon2k8,
BL will get wrecked. Size does matter.
I think any person who actually practiced for a while knows size matters a great deal. And yes of course so is skill, mindset and endurance. And they know no matter how good you are there is someone who is better than you. And yes that you are objectively better than some other people. Neither one these things makes you a better or worse human being
Great philosophy 👍
In Martial Arts size doesn't matter, it only matters in sport competition with rules, when there are no rules, size means nothing, if I poke out your eyeballs and you weigh 300 pounds and me 200 pounds? Too many people comparing true Martial Arts with Sport Competition, two different things altogether.
@@JENDALL714 so in your hypothetical situation where you're 100 lbs lighter and try an eye poke...what level of cognitive dissonance prevents you from making the inference that he can do that exact same thing to you, and much more effectively too, being 50% larger than you? The fact is, any "street" techniques go both ways. You can groin kick your opponent, sure, but can you execute it well enough to avoid getting clinched up and bitten in the neck? Or better yet for him, why can't he just grab your much lighter and weaker body, pick you up, and throw you head first onto the ground? Unless the guy you're fighting is both huge and clumsy af, you will get steamrolled with a size difference that big. Size always matters, dumbass, and it matters a LOT more on the street.
@@JENDALL714 go to any fighting gym try that on the biggest guy there and see if it works, I'll wait
@Dnomyar Akunawik punching isn’t the only way to strike with hands that can do massive damage which MJW and Bruce both knew
The big man small man argument was solved thousands of years ago ,when a little Stone Age man faced a big Stone Age man .Said screw that and smacked the big guy on the head with a rock lol
More like he figured out how to craft and use a spear ...then he figured out diplomacy and lead an army of men with spears
@Pallani
It’s battle
I stayed in and trained. You got me started some months ago, and today all the lifting and push ups paid off lol. Carrying heavy things from basement to trash at work and this has never felt this easy before. Thanks coach!
Great... i had the perfect excuse but now i have to do push up XD
Thanks for this video. Well timed and well needed.
I weighed about 135 through most of high school. So now I’m just imagining a 235lb man beating up a high school kid. I don’t care how skilled that kid is, that doesn’t look good.
Bruce can't do anything about his size but mustered everything for strength. Bruce Lee might get scared of muhammad ali but actually he has same punching power as muhammad ali.
You should host "UNSOLVED MYSTERIES". VOICE is perfect.
Yes 👍
Or record bedtime stories. His voice is so soothing, he could tell me a family member died and I’d feel ok hahahaha
The JKD Police will immediately arrest anyone who dares even think that Bruce Lee was not invincible
As a JKD practitioner we don’t claim these people 😂
He was invincible, right up until he died...he died of being too invincible.
@@joshuabean9409 it’s so bizarre how people like that think and Bruce (Rest his soul) would have disagreed with them completely yet they still whine on and on
Also I don't think Bruce Lee ever mastered a martial arts. MJW is in his 50s and has been training since 13.
He's been at it longer than Bruce Lee was alive.
Size could matter or sometimes it doesn't matter. It all depends on each person or the individual.
Their is a reason why there are weight classes.
@@strikingitrich7630 Larry Hartsell (RIP) was one of Bruce Lee's students and was a lot physically bigger than him. Check out an old youtube clip of an interview where Larry admits that Bruce beat him so easily when they sparred with each other.
I saw a youtube clip where Ric Meyers did an interview with co-star Jim Kelly (RIP) from ETD, and Jim witnessed Bruce having friendly sparring matches with some of the cast members. Jim said that Bruce could spar with anyone at any size because he was that fast and that efficient.
I think the Bruce Lee haters simply have an agenda, and won't admit to Bruce's greatness.
@@hugh8861 No agenda. Just common sense. Stories are not verified fights.
@@strikingitrich7630 got that right
The only time size doesnt matter is if both opponents are relatively close. But you take someone 3 inches and 20 lbs heavier and it makes a huge differenc
I once fought Bruce Lee in the Kumite and he was no better than a white belt. He kept dropping his guard so I kept landing strikes on his face. I won by technical knockout after landing a Dim Mak on his K9 pressure point. I made it to the semi finals but lost to Frank Dux.
I loved Blood Sport it was a good movie
Roflmfao
Michael J White also later said that Bruce was and still is his hero
Bruce wasn’t “130lbs” at his prime. He was 130lbs at his unhealthiest.
I do agree with that he was 145 in his prime
whe should also note that Michael Jay white is 53 years old and still learning martial art so he have way more knoledge in martial art than bruce lee
Only because Bruce Lee is dead. Bruce himself studied different Martial Arts and trained with friends that boxed, trained Karate, Judo and Jujitsu, and Filipino Arts. Bruce would be 81 if he was still alive. Not weighing in on the who could beat who debate, though.
@@darrenkey207 okay but MJW trains in the same things and he's bigger than Bruce
You know....that is a valid point
Funny thing: I did a project for my speech and commune class and I made a very similar joke about the little Cult of Bruce Lee cancelling people who slander his name, because I was there to dispell with the crap, and the fact of the matter is that Bruce Lee cant take on 10 people at once, that was a movie.
It's as if people saw it as a child and thought "this is kung fu!" And couldn't ever let go of that perception
@@TaoistSwordsman Right? Like It gets quite old, people saying Bruce Lee is like this unbeatable whatever, but in reality, from the Tao Of Jeet Kun Do, because yes I did read it and Bruce Lee's Fighting Method, its not about who is the best, its about what Can you do to perfect the skills you have. Like come on people.
@@charrleschervanik3632 Well said, though this basic notion and logic of yours would very much upset the cult of personality of a certain weak-bodied standard person-actor (whom in his life particularly appreciated pumping his ego with glorifying set-up movies about his imaginary combat prowess).
@@charrleschervanik3632 Hey, its actually not a style. Thought you read the book? Its a scientific and philosophical approach to fighting. The book has more to do with breaking personal barriers than anything else.
@@caiusmadison2996 Never did I say it was a style, nor have I used the the term Style.
You are 100% correct and yes I did train today. 37 years of training and going!
I got philosophy, physics and a workout routine all packed in a 15 minute video. Talk about time well spent.
The absolute best video on this subject. 🙏🏽 Now it's time to train. 💪🏽
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 Church of JKD, they got some sensitive feelings there. DUDE!!! YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BE SO... right. 😔
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Honestly Bruce Lee is a featherweight Michael is a heavyweight, anyone can do the math
@@jayandrews2803 they choose not to
Lo, and Ramsey spaketh of the Prophet Bruce Lee and verily, many butts were hurt.
People get fuckin spergy about Lee, man...
Listening to this after my boxing gym workout
Good to see your content , coach. The algorithm magicians have kept you from my feed latelly
"But would X martial artist be able to defeat Y dead martial artist?" I, for one, hate wasting time on pointless questions.
But you'll waste time on pointless comments?
@@zacgonzales5883 Only if they manage to attract pointless replies.
@@CanaleAV That was smooth.
You are just in the middle level my young padawan. The entry level goes as 'can my friend/relative beat your friend/relative' and the final level, or master degree in bullshiterology is 'can fictional super hero defeat another fictional super hero'. Also, once choosing a side you cannot switch it or else you will be killed for your sin !
@@CanaleAV in which you go and reply to said pointless reply?
Michael Jai White has videos from his teenage years compete in Karate tournaments and he already looks so good while Bruce only have 1 sparring clip with his student
There's a one inch punch clip as well 😂
@@Linebecken Stop challenging the great master
@@Linebecken phone book... no hit back
Bruce Lee obviously rigged that spar too, there's not a chance he filmed himself sparring his own student without asking said student to make it look good for Bruce beforehand.
@@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi Stop challenging the great master :)
There is a reason Boxing, wrestling, powerlifting, and MMA have weight classes. Assuming both fighters are trained, the one that has 100+ lb advantage is going to win.
Generally speaking at least, just ignore the Bob Sapp videos from Japan. Though I guess we can debate on whether Bob was ever a skilled fighter, to begin with.
@@shinjig he really wasn't a good fighter at all, he was decent, but even though he trained in martial arts, he only used his strength to win, hardly ever to no skill or technique
Bruce Lee was ahead of his time but he wasn't ahead of ours.
Thats a great quote.
but it's not behind
I disagree I put a comment about this specifically
@Snap your fingers snap your neck he’s ahead because the fighters don’t analyze study reflect etc and these fighters are lazy he was the pinnacle
@Snap your fingers snap your neck had he not died is moot, as he did. You cant compare reality with speculation. Bruce Lee was ahead of his time because he learned from many masters and styles and was developing his own style based on what he felt worked. But he lacked what we have now, there wasn't even kickboxing in the US then, let alone MMA or any full contact sport MA. The full contact sports are the anvil where efficacy has been forged. The Bruce Lee of 1972 wouldn't beat a modern UFC lightweight...but that modern fighter has the benefit of learning from people that took the seed of Bruce Lee's philosophy and grew it into what we have today. He was a pioneer. But he was no where near where we collectively are now. Had he lived, who knows?
The problem with stating that you're better than Lee is that self improvement was his life. He was also a humble man, never claiming to be better, just be adaptable.
Regardless of either side, we'll never really know until Lee claws his way away from death and beats up anyone in his way.
@Max Payne The guy also replaced the sand in his punching bag with dry concrete mix at his wife's request. We have a lot of people to corroborate this, including all the people he trained. He also had to spar with Norris for his third movie so they could properly choreograph the fight. When interviewed later on who would actually win a bout, Norris asserted without hesitation Lee would.
Then again, like said before, we'll never really know and might as well argue if you can beat up a Roman centurion.
@Joseph Leisses Norris was extremely humble to say that
@@josephleisses3997
What? I saw Chuck Norris answer to this question by saying "I was a professional fighter, he was not" which strongly imply Chuck believe he would've won even if he is not saying it literally.
@Max Payne no one is untouchable in combat it hit and get hit
Buuuulshit! He was literaly an opium addict!! He died young !!!
"Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own.” -Bruce Lee
@@johnboyjordan1915 and he probably took it from someone else.
So don't absorb bullshit ahah
@@johnboyjordan1915based
My view as a JKD instructor: Bruce Lee was someone who was in fact ahead of his time in martial arts, in what regards training methods (sparring, focus mitts and heavy bag training, conditioning, nutrition). In the world of martial arts in the 60's and 70's almost nobody trained with a scientific approach. Also at a technical level, Bruce Lee brought different approach, combining boxing, light footwork and kicking, different from the more static Karate approach. Bruce Lee's approach would have a big influence in American Kickboxing. Also at a philosophical level, the idea that styles are limiting and you should be able to express yourself was also something new. Having said all that above, I don't think that BL was a super man that he would defeat Mike Tyson like some fan boys say. Finally the latest stage of JKD is a great martial art, different from other striking arts and in a way it's still very effective martial art, even with all the evolution in martial arts in the past40 years.
Bruce Lee beat bolo Young and he probably had about the same size advantage as Michael Jai White has.
Bruce Lee is like your friend that's a traditional martial artist that messes around with his mma friends, he knew some stuff but his style isn't that much better
@@ricardobell2698 That was a movie fight…
@@ricksterdrummer2170 I read that they sparred off camera and Bruce annihilated him to the point he became a student of Bruce.
I believe he had a superior sparring method also that was coming to age. It would of been what TKD should be with the use of lower kicks. Unfortunately. RIP
Hello Ramsey, I somewhat recently got a medical condition and lost 13kg and most of my strength, for example I can't do a single pull-up or a single press-up. How would you recommend building up to these exercises as I feel pathetic.
I agree with you. MJW would have a good chance of beating Lee, but let me add this. Lee himself named two karate fighters that he said would have a good chance against him, and he didn't ever want to test that - Jim Harrison and Mike Stone. I believe. I can think of another, Gene Labell would rag-doll him. I was fortunate to learn several of Lee's techniques through Joe Lewis, so I understand that there is no magic there. Just genetic awesome speed and explosive power, along with a great work ethic.
Docinaplane * * * * *Your reply is interesting to say the least *
I never heard this story about Harrison and Stone. Lee was also a very smart guy and knew
how to be humble. For me that's important.
In the 1970's I remember they interviewed Bruce Lee, and asked him how he thought he would do in the Boxing Ring with the then Light Weight Boxing World Champion ROBERTO DURAN ! (Same Weight as Lee)
Bruce answered with humility and great respect for Duran . I sure can't make a quote as it was near 50 years ago that I seen this interview... Lee said something like this " Duran is training to fight champion level boxers
and I (Lee) am making movies !
Hope all is well and good for You
Your Pal
Paul
@@PunchProfessor Thank you, Paul!! Love the Lee quote! I imagine Lee was very keen on being a movie star and worked hard at that, but as you say, was humble and respectful as a martial artist. Peace, Jeff
PS: From Jim Harrison's obit: "Bruce Lee was once quoted as saying: “I fear no man, but Jim Harrison and Mike Stone are the last two men that I would wish to meet in an alley fight. Jim Harrison’s fighting style is not flamboyant or spectacular, it’s just simple and deadly! He’s one of the most dangerous men in the world.”
bruce lees pound for pound strength was insane. people keep forgetting that.
People keep embellishing Bruce Lee’s strength and making up stuff about it. The only real information we have about how strong Lee was consists of a copy of his old gym card where he recorded the numbers of his lifts. Lee’s biggest lift was a 90lb squat for 10 reps.
@@RamseyDewey again u have zero proof that dan inosanto would be some idiot who would lie for bruce. credible witnesses makes it true. otherwise u better not believe ANY history at all. and that would be insanely absurd if you did that. look at louis cyr, never even trained for the back press, but did 4300lbs which was the record until a canadian farmer who trained for like 10 years just to beat his record, and he did with 5300lbs. some people have natural freakish strength. u gotta realize that.
@@RamseyDewey that was when he started strength training in 1968, he later on incorporated obercoming isometrics with the ISO chain and became very strong, there is a pic of him one arm over head pressing a barbell with 95 lbs aprox
Would love to know what Ramsey does to recover from a heavy workout. Watching the video after a workout today (1st after a heavy cold) and feel like poop.
Coach, after i have watched the video of you modify the Philly Shell stance to make it work in MMA, can you show us how to use Bill Wallace side way stance in MMA context too ?
The cult of Jimi among rock guitarist is similar, except there is a lot more evidence of Hendrix's guitar playing than there is of Bruce fighting.
And you can sum both up the same way: They did innovative and interesting things, put on a great performance, and we lost them too soon.
Bruce focused on self defense part of fighting real fighting not sport
@@illkid86 he dabbled in the self defense part. He FOCUSED on fight choreography.
It's amazing how far people's biases will delude them into thinking someone can beat a guy 100 lbs heavier (lean) with technically more martial art credentials. I've probably spent hours trying to get through to them that weight classes exist.
Thanks for covering this!
In Bruce's situation I don't care about his weight class ,it's his credentials...I'd put money on Diaz vs the Rock but then again we are talking about the proven Diaz brothers while Bruce actually has no credible evidence of pro fighting history
@Hoosayne Lol! Oh man, that takes me back. It's been a long time since I've visited the Goku vs. Superman page. After that universe shaking feat with Beerus, I felt I had nothing more to prove. Some DC fans conceded and I left. You might see me on some Geekdom101 manga spoiler/review comment threads sometimes, but I haven't had interest in much else DB community related.
Have you been doing alright? Thanks for the shout out.
Royce Gracie himself said that for every 20 lbs someone has on you, you have to be one belt above him to even break even.
then explain how one of the Gracies was able to choke out people twice his size. that was oldschool ufc before there were weight classes
@@cedricbauman9537 Those bigger people were not nearly as experienced as Gracie on the ground. As I said before, it's about size *and* credentials/skill. Outside of a high school boxing match, Bruce Lee has no competition record. There's no evidence that he mastered any style. But Michael Jai White has 8 black belts and been in Karate tournaments. He has trained in martial arts like twice as long as Bruce Lee at this point. Then on top of that, he is literally twice his size. All of the evidence is clear.
The only way Lee beats a man that size is if the guy is a talentless, walking tomato can with no more than 6 months of training. That's not what Michael Jai White is.
Really enjoy your points man👏 and cool voice lol!
Bruce Lee would have loved Michael Jai White, because of his blazing speed for His size. Michael honestly expressed his opinion. Bruce Lee was a trailblazer, that’s why he’s a legend.
Bruce said Ali would kill him
'Look at my hand, that's a little chinese hand. He'd kill me'
He tried to be as honest as possible to get better all the time.
Like when he started studying judo and grappling bc he got humbled.
Ali fighting style is limited, and he fights defensively. it hard to lose against a short opponent in boxing
How did you know bruce said that? I'm not an offended Bruce lee fan I'm just curious?
Apparently (something I heard from a close friend) Ali said that without a ring Bruce would beat him? I got nothing to back this up.
@@PSN_OGRE The Enter the Dragon director Robert Clause said Bruce admitted he couldn't beat Ali.
He had alot of power bro
He say that of insult..
Ali was black his genetic help him but bruce achieve all of it by himself and training of fingers and 100 way to achieve more power in his hand and His back (cobra)
I think it wouldve been cool to hear Bruce's opinion about combat sports. I imagine, from what ive read about him, that he would probably appreciate those athletes for getting out there and putting their skills to the test.
That final point about getting out there and training is a good punchline.
People are usually quite shocked to see me drilling stuff at random places but that's what makes one martial artist imo. Dedication.
Did the 50 pushups.
At the start of this year I stopped lying to myself about my level of fitness and weight, "I'm not out of shape or overweight, it wasn't that long ago that I could do 20+ pull ups, 53 push ups in a minute, 200 squats in a row etc.." That was 5 years ago, I've gained 40 pounds of fat during that time, can't even do 40 pushups without breaks anymore.
Lost 25 lbs in 3 months, really suprised just how easy it has been.
Michael Jai White would beat Bruce Lee by a large percentage. The weight difference is ridiculously big, Bruce Lee could supposedly hit like someone more than his own weight, but that doesn't matter much when Jai White can hit the same if not WAY more, and has more muscle. Jai White is also still alive, so he potentially has a more refined skill set and experience than Bruce Lee.
Bruce said unless. Man grows third arm leg. Fighting is fighting. Go spar with some guys 145lbs then 235lbs see the speed difference.... How do you over come the speed? Its hard
@@chozen0018 power is also hard to over come
Don't fight the temptation! We wanna hear the rap!
That is the best explanation I have ever heard Ramsey
Greetings Coach. I have a curious hypothetical, as I struggle to get my undercoordinated lower body to be better at footwork... Gene Kelly, was in great shape and had tremendous coordination, ala, insane dancing skills. Do you think that kind of lower body coordination together with his conditioning would have translated well to striking? I would dare say that Jackie Chan's footwork looks similar to Gene Kelly's. I realize that both are screen actors, and one isn't even portraying fighting, but it seems like that level of control over movement on the feet could make either one a menacing boxer. Any opinion? Cheers!
This idea that no martial artist either during Bruce Lee’s lifetime, before it, or after it can ever beat him is asinine, and if Bruce Lee himself lived long enough to become old and wise, he would be able to admit this himself. It’s silly to think one man can beat everyone that ever has and ever will exist. Martial Arts is always evolving. Period
Your point at 12:10 is FACTS and that’s what I try to tell ppl all the time lol
He didn't ever say he was an invincible superhuman. He said Ali would destroy him.
Seems like too much people sae the movies and thought they were documentaries
@@kyubeycoobie3568 that’s a fact
@@thedaarkwulf1137 Yes like it's not even down to size. Ali was a better fighter and he knew it. That's why he studied and learnt a lot from him
Bruce Lee's fan cult is giving him a bad name
@@kyubeycoobie3568 you also have to keep in mind that the majority of the vocal Bruce Lee fans know exactly nothing about fighting, and believe in the nonsensical mysticism of Eastern arts.
I mean there are still countless people on RUclips here who still believe Bruce Lee played table tennis with nunchaku.
the You Tuber RealBruceLeeFight just levitated off the ground his head spun 360 degrees and he projectile vomited green stuff all over his bedroom walls because you dared to say that Bruce Lee was unconquerable by any mere mortal in a fight... but seriously look that guy up, he s exactly what you just described. I've shown him R Ramseys demonstration as to why the one-inch punch can be done by anyone etc. He has a mind like a steel trap.
I did 20 push ups, but segmented into 2×10 with a rest in between and they weren't actual push ups because I can't do them so I did an easier variant. I'll be back at it and I will do these 50 push ups today!
U r engineer
@@wacko37 what?
Nice my friend keep it up 👍
I do appreciate your take on this Ramsey, at least you are honestly expressing your opinions by applying your knowledge of fighting, so I must respect your comparatives.
Very well said 👍😁 thank you for your channel..
In his own book, Bruce Lee wrote about the advantage of size difference. It's a reality.
Let's respect him for the contributions he made towards martial arts
I personally have no issue with that. He was an action cinema pioneer. He was a martial arts pioneer. He challenged social attitudes of the time and became a hero to many people.
That should be enough for anyone.
@The Crazy Amateur Runner He basically popularized cross training in martial arts, but certainly, despite his legion of weird cultists, did not invent cross training. There were plenty of "mixing styles and seeing what works" before Bruce Lee (e.g. Kajukenbo was founded in 1947 when Bruce Lee was only 6 or 7)
Claims around him being the "Grandfather of MMA" though are laughable and pure hyperbole. Dana White is a fanboy who collects samurai swords and vintage action movie posters as much as anything.
I mean, Vale Tudo matches were happening in Brazil when Bruce Lee was a little kid, and it took 20 years after Bruce Lee died for the first UFC to happen. And the guys who caused that to happen were the Gracies, who had zero influence or association with Bruce Lee or JKD.
@BigJohn Hansome same about Anderson Silva.
@@iorekby Combat sambo was in USSR before Bruce was even born.
Goju ruy is one of the oldest karate styles from Okinawa and it has grappling, takedowns and even ground fighting,with a punches and kicks.
So yes,saying "Bruce Lee is a founder ofMM" is kinda over-exaggeration.
@@alexferrana3979 I agree with all your points. IMO if Bruce Lee were alive today, he'd probably be embarrassed by all the delusional fanboy fiction they created around the guy. He was a talented performer and action star who changed cinema and was obviously passionate about martial arts. But he wasn't some unbeatable fighter, and the man himself even admitted that (he said Ali would beat him in a fight).
It's his fanboys that created this weird cult around him and talk nonsense which makes me cringe.
I love the random "drop and give me 50 push ups" in there. I come for the topic but stay for the motivation.
Great video Mr. Dewey thanks ❤💚
Can you Tell us maybe your thoughts about kali sikaran please? 😊😊 thanks
There were people getting angry at Chuck Norris for saying that Bruce can't compete with him in real life because of the fact that Chuck actually competed and won in real tournaments and the fact that Chuck is a much bigger man. The Bruce Lee fanbois are beyond help. This one time I ran into one of them and when I commented that Bruce Lee has no actual competition record, he looked like he was going to have a heart attack.
There's the other extreme too where these well known RUclips commentators were saying that even they could beat up a 125 lb Bruce Lee, or the awful representation of Bruce by Tarantino. Bruce was probably a super lean 140 when he was healthy and before he had the pain killer issues and couldn't eat properly. In his last movie, he was unable to eat properly and overworking so much that he was down to a frail 125 lbs when he had drug complications and died when they were afraid to call the hospital because he was at another woman's house. So yeah, probably anybody could beat a dying 125 lb Bruce Lee.
so drug complications caused the brain enema or something that killed him? And are you saying he was off on an affair while this happened?
Maaan, if that’s true... damn. Add that on top of the total cynicism the martial arts community has developed toward him and Bruce seems just to be a big con of a man who also has shitty morals.
Jesus, okay, like Bruce Lee worshippers are a problem, but I feel like people in the martial arts community have been influenced by backfire effect and now say everything about Bruce was shit as a reaction. And it’s not racist, but you can’t blame people for bringing race into it, because Bruce is like, the only reason Chinese culture has any semblance of tolerance or respect in the West. Which is why there are sensitive feelings around his reputation.
MJW wouldn’t exist without a Bruce Lee-- he doesn’t respect the LEGEND.
Yes. After Bruce Lee created day and night, he went on to invent entertainment overall and martial arts movies in specific. Those were good days. Show some respect for Bruce Lee, everyone!
What're next Europeans wouldn't exist without leaving Africa?
What's next ? The sun wouldn't exist without Bruce 🤣
I'm not listening to this on the way home from the gym, I'm listening now that i already got home from the gym
Thank you for this, bravo.
.....Hold my beer........lol
You're a child fighting a child, sums up the useless bully fights in schools. It's really not a final boss or a beat em up videogame. It's just kids letting out steam because of school stress, home stress and personal problems. As for Jai White winning, he has the build and technique to beat anyone as long as it's a fair fight and nothing dirty. Also I'm doing 50 push ups now after this comment.
He is bigger. Might be a fight in his favor.
But MJW also claimed Shaolin is not real because Shaolin tempels got destroyed and therefore all Shaolin are not real.
It kind of depends on the way you look at it.
@@cuzz63 what?
@@maddinkn Its like the Ninja's. Or Greek Pankration. The ancient schools and techniques are lost. Any of the modern ones arent really connected to the ancient. The Shaolin Temple in China is a tourist spot.
13:10 I must admit, I am not listening to this, while coming home from the gym. I'm listening while putting on my shoes, to go to the gym. I find that getting some time, either on a bike or doing pullups, is a massive help, in clearing my head, so that I can focus on my workday.
I'm more than somewhat overweight, so I consider my cardio to be the most important thing I can work on, before I do anything else. (The pullups are heavily counter-weight assisted. I weigh 230, and the machine covers 100 of that, so that I can actually do sets of 5-10.)
Which does raise the question, though. Is there any advice you could give, to someone who is to work their way out of being badly out of shape? Or, is it just to grind, until the grinding gets easier, then grind on something more difficult?
I think that Michael Jai White vs Bruce Lee thing started almost a decade ago and I thought it was silly then and assumed it would die out quick but I am suprised that a decade later and I still see it pops up online
Last thing. His most important fight (call it sparring w/e) for people to know, is being held down by Gene Label's grappling. And how he realised what he was doing wrong and learnt, instead of excusing it
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i sometimes wonder if Bruce Lee would accept Gracie challenge if he lived longer, and how much would it change his conception of fighting.
@@Endru85x idk how it would go but he learnt grappling and wrestling with Gene Label and some jiu-jitsu, so it wouldn't be like those strikers. Lee could kickbox and grapple (not sure how much grappling or if it would be enough tho) but yes I do think he would accept the challenge
Bruce realized his JKD was ineffective if the fight goes to the ground from Gene Labelle.
He only trained for about a year with Gene,so he barely scratched the surface.
@@heartfanjim01 you sure he only trained with Gene for a year? Was Bruce even using the term Jeet Kune Do when he trained with Gene, or was he still saying Gung Fu? Even if just for a year, something major could've come into his mindset or skills. Gene said he incorporated striking techniques he learned from Bruce into his teaching after they met
I have actually seen Bruce Lee fight. He knock out a 120kg man with a single one inch punch and threw him several meters into the air.
If you dont believe me you are just a narrow minded hater.
@BigJohn Hansome yeah man, I saw the whole thing :d back then I was In China working for the mafia, but I had to run , because the soviets wanted me for the keys for the nuclear missles that I stole.
@@Dark89Avenger nah I feel like you're lying.....obviously you're just watering it down, you probably did way more than that, I'm sure there were ninjas involved too, come on tell us the whole story.
@@heretopissyouoff8439 there were ninjas and lasers and pirates and shit
Thank u coach always feel fired up. When u say get out there and train
Can you make a video about Marvin Cook's boxing stance and style? He seems like a great boxing teacher and I want to hear your opinion about his teachings.
"You got out there and trained, right?" *curls his dumbbell in approval in front of the computer* I am my own gym (plus some assorted weights) :P Doing pull exercises as I write this.
If you've ever watched the movie mean girls... that's what the jkd community reminds me of
Hahahahahaha!
It’s funny because it’s true!
😂😂😂😂👌
There’s videos of MJW sparring in competition at 18 years old. Friends of mine that knew him coming up also says he was an awesome point fighter.
This is like putting a lion and a buffalo to fight and expect the lion to win without killing the buffalo, size only matters when the fight is in a ring and rules are involved. A heavier opponent also comes with disadvantages in the art of combat
@@UnjustVerdict its an advantage if you're fighting small unskilled combatants, when the fight isn't for sports size can be a weakness for the elements which favors the small oppositions. we've seen this in nature all the time
I saw Bruce fight MJW, they wrecked up downtown Tokyo fighting to a stalemate. Bruce et a train and walked off into the sea, MJW moved to America, climbed the Empire State Building and it was all a big kerfuffle.
wrong fight dude 😂
You just described the plot of Godzilla vs Kong
@@jayandrews2803 no, I think you're just mixing up two stories completely unrelated with one another..
Size matters. That's the universal truth in our universe.
Speed matters more, ask bullets.
@@mmurmurjohnson2368 so a gun beats all, is that what you're saying
Stewie Griffin I'm saying that in a fight speed trumps size proportionately, i.e. A fighter 3x faster against a 2x heavier opponent has a significant advantage. The best strikers train for 2 second fight ending scenarios ((much like a gun fight, who hits who first and decisively with consequential penetration and stopping power)), any longer than 3 seconds and you're waisting your time as a striker ((my opinion)), you should focus on grappling, and Bruce was well above average speed.
@@mmurmurjohnson2368 I'm saying none of anything matters if you have a gun 😆
Hey Ramsey, can you talk about real world/ labour strength? I see myself doing good in activities like boxing and swimming but for some reason, I struggle in lifting objects such as grocery boxes..thanks sir
Hey, I go to the gym as often as I can and I exercise in between and still I am going to do those 50 pushups
I want to see Bruce Lee vs Michael Jai White piloting mechs.
Omg yes 👍 😍 🙌 😭 👏
There's videos of MJW fighting tournaments Kuyokushin Karate on U tube. He also trained boxing and holds a black belt in BJJ
Yea for me I have to go with white bc we KNOW what he can really do and see clear clean video footage of what his body is capable of. Bruce lee all we have is low quality footage from 40-50 years ago and a bunch of anecdotes
@@jlogan2228 bruce lee simply is not anywhere big enough to make it competitive
@@gottaproxy8826 his fan boys don't realize that
Maybe I should enter all my little scraps from school days in my fighting repertoire lolzz
Personally I said he was a boxing champion as a spoof on Chael Sonnen saying "if you beat the champ you become the champ." I didnt read the match was like that online lol
MJW could actually kick Bruce Lee's ass though
MJW can literally break a bags chain from a hoping sidekick and kick burst a bag with a roundhouse kick (that’s not joke btw the last one, leather bag burst one kick no joke)
The guy is 6'1" 230 lbs and built like wargreymon from digimon.
@@KWillo yea and that’s another reason why Bruce Lee gets his face smashed in on top of that
@@w8ngr Exactly.People seem to omit the size thing when it comes to Bruce Lee.Being that I'm a michael jai white fan, it's easy to say I'm biased in this case.🤷🏿♂️
@@KWillo I’m biased too but we aren’t wrong in anything we are saying
he could have just said Bruce was no match for a Grizzly Bear with a machine gun rather than himself. But if he needs to give himself a big pat on the back, let's see him try that shit with a REAL martial artist like Frank Dux or Sensei Seagal.
Hello coach! I follow you from Montreal, Canada! You do a good job in your videos!
What is your opinion on the JKD, ancestor of MMA ???