Bruce Lee vs Muhammad Ali: who would win in a fight?
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2017
- My honest opinion on the age old question
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"Just a boxer." - famous last words.
😂😂😂 true
I know you’re supporting Ali but people saying just a boxer in general is just bruh. Ali did TKD and even though I don’t love TKD he could kick well, and even if he couldn’t he can physically extend his feet which people don’t think boxers can do lol.
No
"Just a Hero for fun" - some dude probably.
@@Tsuki-Sii Saitama lol
"The bigger they are, the harder they fall." Not... Not really? More like "The bigger they are, the harder they hit."
the bigger they are the harder their fist falls on your face
In a literal sense, the bigger they are the harder they fall indeed. Imagine being. 350 pounds and getting just tripped. You'd hit the ground hard. As opposed to a 150 pound guy getting tripped. He'd bounce right back up.
Franco, we're talking about trained fighters. Ali knew how to hit.
What are you talking about? I said size matters and training matters and that Ali would have destroyed Lee.
@Jack Mehan No problem. I've done the same thing before.
I've actually had a Bruce Lee fanboy challenge me to a fight over this question. All I said was that weight divisions exist for a reason 😂
same lol
It's not just that.
Ali was one of the greatest of all time, 61 professional matches and 56 wins.
Bruce had ZERO professional matches. There's a couple of minutes of light sparring footage of him and that's it.
They are total fucking clowns. You are not allowed to remain neutral, you have to bow down and say Bruce is the greatest otherwise you are a hater. These fanboys need to grow up.
@@MrCmon113 and Ali at full power in the stress of a fight was still throwing punches faster than him. People in this debate always say Bruce Lee is fast but DAMN Ali was fast, lightning fast.
not when UFC first started, there were no weight class and you see smaller dudes winning bigger dudes
Great question! One them was a 6’’4”, 220 pound multi time heavyweight champion of the world with one of the legendary chins in the history of the sport. We also have literally dozens of hours of him actually fighting we can refer to.
The other was an undersized movie star that none of us have seen in a real fight, much less take a punch.
yeah like how is this video 23 min long XDDDDD
@@brucelee-oy4hv Sorry you are wrong, Muhammad Ali was 6 feet 3 inches.
The brawl in the TV studio was not a real brawl, nobody threw bear knuckle fist at one another, it was all hype to promote the up and coming real fight on pay per view at world wide live cinema, then followed by international television broadcasting Royalty Rights.
Muhammad Ali had numerous street fights in real life, he fought against racism practically every day in racist America. Mike Tyson too has had real street fights against professional, Mike Tyson real street fight against Mich Green in Harlem, New York City.
The same year June 1988, Mike Tyson had a real fight with Chuck Norris, the Karate man. Mike Tyson knocked out Chuck Norris out cold within 2 seconds by head butting, for trying to mess with his then wife Robin Givens, Mike Tyson camp paid Norris an out of court settlement, this information is now public.
No way can a actor in fictional Kung Fu movies with ZERO real fight wins beat the Heavyweight Boxing Champion of the World in who is an expert with his fist in Martial Arts, Muhammad Ali wins all day long, the real Greatest.
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@@brucelee-oy4hv and before they go relying on size they should see this ruclips.net/video/GbV3BppQUzI/видео.html
@@brucelee-oy4hv tho they also have no concept of the training Bruce had. I do very well, Even what training he did not have. And I can assure you the portions he did have would've been enough
Bruce lee was a great admirer of Ali and his footwork
Bruce Lee respected Ali. Lee incorporated Ali's footwork into Jeet Kune Do. Bruce Lee stated in reference to Ali, "I’m getting to know how he thinks and moves.” Lee added, “Look at my hand, that’s a little Chinese hand. He’d kill me."
@Chi Huang that's exactly what Bruce lee said that Ali would kill him if he hit him with his massive hands they both respected each other
@@namedeplume2022 hes being humble
Lee would kick his legs every time Ali went to throw a punch
@Chi Huang Bruce Lee said it. If you don't like it, talk with him about it.
@Chi Huang Exactly. Got any more mystical revelations?
Float like a butterfly, Hit like a truck.
You’ll be waking up from this screaming “What the ****?!”
@@davidross5134 haha
Run like the flash,Fly like a butterfly and hit like an asteroid
Ali didn't hit like a truck though. He said himself, he couldn't punch hard, many times
@@brucelee-oy4hv could be a mind game
Joe Lewis said the same thing, that there's a difference between a fighter and a martial artist. A fighter had a proven record, X number of wins and X number of losses. A martial artist can be a skilled athlete and conceptual artist, as you said, but his fighting prowess is mostly hearsay, not fact.
Yet Joe Lewis spoke of Bruce's myths as if they were fact and not anecdotal. Weird..!
Bruce Lee was only an actor with zero real fight wins.
Kung Fu movies and demonstrations are not real fights.
@@vladimirpoutine7522 Joe Lewis said that Bruce was an excellent martial artist with tremendous physical ability. He also stated that he'd "never seen him fight."
@@44excalibur Agreed
I have basic wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai skills and have trained MMA for about 30 years. As a street cop for 16 years I can confidently say that nobody has been a challenge for me to control and arrest in all of those years…..and some of those people were trying to avoid prison with all of their might. Having basic MMA skills and being 6’2 and a fit 250lbs leaves anyone who is untrained like a toddler to handle. Other than MMA skills, developing awareness of weapons and your environment, as well as treating people with respect are extremely valuable skills to have for self defence.
One is among the greatest boxers of all time with 61 professional fights and 56 wins, weighting almost 100kg.
The other is a movie actor with 0 professional fights, weighting less than 65kg.
Whose moves were too fast to be seen
@@night_traffic Too fast to be seen by who? We can see all of his moves. That was an exaggeration.
@@mrt445 no..he was purposefully slowing his moves for us to see that is why we saw. Plus the camera also reduced the speed a bit
@@night_traffic youre an idiot mate.. fucking 1960s cameras ran at like 20fps...
You know the also told Wesley snipes to slow down in the 90s, they said he looked like a blur on camera..
Yeah thats not insane speed bro, thats old technology..
By your logic wesley snipes is way faster cause camera technology was better but they still couldnt see him...
People dont realize he was still capable, his speed and precision was great
I was hit by a right hand from a heavyweight, never felt such pain. I thought my eye socket was broken, it was in pain for weeks! Weight divisions were created for a reason!
@Tristen Little and you think that Lee had something to teach to an heavyweight world champion about precision and timing? wake up man..
Tristen Little yes but inouki was heavier then Ali himself.
@@RagingUtai that's another thing that came out a lot, "Bruce was training every day so he was super human" man I didn't achieve anything in boxing I was an amateur boxer that started too late and ended to soon, no one was paying me, I was actually paying my gym subscription and expanses, and guess what? I was training every fucking day, 5 days of the week in the gym, street work saturday, at least rope and stretching Sunday.. my point is, I was average.. the world is full of peoples who train every day and I'm not even saying this is an "hard" training schedules because I don't want to think how you prepare a world championship match.
Just cuz you big dosent mean you hit harder lol of course weight and size is an advantage only if you know how to use it.also if your big dosent mean your slower then the smaller guy geesh ppl
Mohammed Ali was a REAL fighter.. enough said
An easy answer to the question is another question. Why do you think weight divisions exist?
@Jim Jones One minute they'll go on and on about how Bruce Lee wasn't any good as a fighter because he never fought professionally, disregarding what everyone around him said he was capable of, etc, the next they'll just accept some hearsay about what Bruce Lee is supposed to have said about Ali. Go figure.
@Jim Jones I'd call it bias.
@Jim Jones It can't be faith if there's evidence involved. Evidence which some people ignore due to their bias.
Yea man, weight classes are there for a reason for sure, take it to modern times and exclusively boxing, It's like Mikey Garcia fighting AJ.
To make groups ?
Street fighters are no more fighters than I was a drummer the first time I put sticks in my hands and started making noise on drums. Okay, that street kid with the buckets is pretty cool, but can he play a drum kit on stage, in front of hundreds/thousands of people, in a band? I'm still not a trained fighter, but I am a trained drummer, and so by analogy I agree with your logic and am convinced.
You notice a major difference when a experienced fighter that could put you to sleep with any of his limbs and a kid that watches to much movies and has no fighting experience discuss who of these two fighters are better…
Respect to you man
Indeed, MMA fighters have respect for Bruce Lee, but don't claim he was Super Powerful.
Bigger question: Could Bruce Lee defeat Muhammad Ali in ping pong using nunchucks without the benefit of computer-generated imagery?
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@@guitarttimman Ali was better at rhyming. Not sure which skill tips the scale when the 5'8", 132# Chinese man starts getting swung on by the 6'3", 236# Louisville native.
Tim Rubin Halcomb I bet your great grandfather was The late Hitler huh?
Sam The Sham if that grappler is close to his size of course and boxing punches can hit up over 800lbs. Plus Ali was pure targeted striker that moves in and out. Now if grappler can take head shot liver and kidney punches with no glove protection. Then hey I salute him
Didn't Bruce Lee said that he fears someone who studied one kick 1000 times than a guy who studied 1000 kicks ? But yet people believe that Bruce Lee was a " well rounded fighter " and Ali was " just a boxer " .
He was a little guy so he relied a great deal on kicking and withdrawing, using space. I reckon that's why he said this.
Boris lo typical of Lee, copied some generic ancient wisdom statement and used it to pretend to be knowledgeable and philosophical.
if he had said ''I fear the man who can knock me out with one strike'' maybe then he'd deserve some credit for practical knowledge.
10000
Boris lo yeah Bruce said that, but unfortunately Ali trained 0 kicks. He probably can't even check a kick.
Boxing with rules not allowing kicks or anything else is not real fighting.
ex0duzz boxing is very close to actual common street fighting, and despite what most traditional eastern martial arts fans want to believe, closer than any other martial art or combat sport. boxing training, skills and techniques are extremely effective, which is exactly why it was part of combat training and practiced for thousands of years and still is to this day.
high kicks are generally overrated especially for poorly trained fighters, they require flexibility, precision, speed, and perfect timing and balance, so that means they are not preferable in a street fight, which is usually fast and messy with a lot of pushing, shoving and tripping...and mostly punching. with the possible exception of groin kicks and knee kicks, most popular low kicks are designed for long matches and have poor stopping power. most traditional eastern martial artists are poorly trained to deal with full contact punches.
Ali went a full cross style match against shootfighter Inoki who resorted to laying on the floor on his back and kicking Ali in the legs (hard!!) for the entire match. Ali withstood the constant leg kicking and Inoki was clearly aware that the moment he would stand up Ali would knock him into the next life. so he was on his back the entire time, and it was his only defense against Ali's boxing skills.
it's always traditional martial artists who never in their life fought any boxer or streetfight, who want to argue that boxing is incomplete and therefor not suitable for streetfights or selfdefense, and that kicks could easily stop a boxer.
the brain error is in the comparing of a ring fight to a streetfight. the same error Bruce Lee made.
a boxer against a kickboxer (whatever kind) in a drawn out kickboxing match has a huge disadvantage. the same is true vice versa.
a boxer in a streetfight has a better chance than a kickboxer.
boxers are specialists, they are limited in their techniques but experts in the most common and effective ones. most boxers know a lot of dirty tricks too, but ring rules prevent them from applying them. to think a boxer in a streetfight could not kick someone in the nuts/shins/knees or punch his throat or neck, or elbow/headbutt his lights out is a mistake. he could do anything any normal person could pull off, just a lot better and more effective.
Well said. Bruce Lee was innovative for his time, but his skill at that time pales in comparison to a modern professional MMA fighter, and no MMA fighter at 130 pounds would dream of entering the ring with a legendary heavyweight boxer like Ali.
LOL !!! Fool.
Totally agree with you about this. Bruce Lee was a human being not a demigod. Muhammad Ali was the best boxer in the world and was a seasoned fighter not an actor.
My money is on Ali all the way
You are absolutely right, Muhammad Ali at the age of 24 was indeed the Greatest, the whole world can see real proof of Muhammad Ali real fights and his body strong enough to take murderous real blows from George Foreman, there is absolutely nothing on Bruce Lee, only fictional Kung Fu movies and fake demonstrations, no wonder why fans are now realising that Bruce Lee was only an actor.
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Actually Ali WAS an actor. He starred in a major movie and many tv shows. Bruce was a real streetfighter and that was why he had to leave Hong Kong. Also Ali couldn't do a thing against Antonio Inoki and often said that he was no streetfighter. In a boxing, ring Ali wins every second of the match, though.
@@brucelee-oy4hv Boxers cannot beat just regular MMA fighters. Ramsey doesn't supply proof of his claims. He thinks "training" is going to save you. There is no "training" on the streets because the thug is coming at you from out of nowhere. It's not a SPORT! you have to react to danger as it happens. So this guy is fake. All youtubers that do not accept challenges for a street fight are merely offering opinions but there is little science behind them to prove the claim. The proof of their belief is in demonstrating it. In a street Boxer would get submitted. That is why Conner McGregor (ironically a fan of bruce lee and a great striker) couldn't do anything to Khabib. (uses wrestling and can strike fast - this is science! Ironically what bruce was saying about the traditionalists: they needed to ditch the fancy flashy moves and concentrate on efficient movement - this was due to it not working in street fights when challenging other people. Most likely an english boxer beat his ass when he was young trying to use kung fu on them and this awakened him to the need to only trust in scientifically proven techniques not on traditional "wisdom". The IP Man series alsways has boxers as the bad guy hahah Maybe Ramsey say these movies and got pissed and so he made this video out of anger. Then accuses his audience of "getting angry" all the time. It's a ad hominem attack. He wants to paint the picture that anyone who has valid criticism of his belief is irrational and only disagreeing based on emotional outburst and not because he doesn't prove his belief scientifically)
You see when someone is dead and can't respond to the critic that is still alive, they become an easy target for the one that is alive. He promotes sports as "realistic". Simply put it's not. Street Fighting is the real thing. That is what Bruce was trying to show in his books by pointing out that you should not apply any restraint when dealing with other street fighters because you can never assume they are not trying to kill you. In sports the opponent is not trying to kill you so you have to hold back your deadliest attacks. (no breaking arms, biting ears, or crippling the leg to immobilse an agile fighter) Now Ramsey says: "if you try to bite me I will simply break your arm because you made me angry." Why would a thug be scared of you breaking his arm when every single opponent he fights already goes into a street fight knowing that they are ALLOWED to break arms, crack a guys skull with crowbar, or stab you with a knife if they think they are losing? BTW Mike Tyson actually did bite ears when he was losing so street fighting prepares you for the dirty fighter. His comment about Bruce action scene being fake: Yes the movie scenes are fake but that is ENTERTAINMENT. His books is where his real stuff is. So go by the books not the movies. Low IQ fighters thinkg TRAINING is what makes you great. No it doesn't. You could be highly trained but low IQ. And you go into a street fight thinking the opponent respect you. No they will not always respect you. They may want to kill you because they are criminals. Criminals do not care if they die fighting as they have nothing to lose. Their boss will kill THEM if they don't do what they say.
Completely agree!
"Getting punched by him doesn't hurt. You don't feel a thing. You just wake up on the floor a few seconds later." -Tyson Fury on what it's like to get punched by Deontay Wilder.
Heavyweights are monsters. In any combat sport.
And they train their punches on heavt bags and on other bags, they use whole body weight behind it and they do combinations and never forget that boxing its all about endurance , condition, fithting one rond 3 minutes = 180 seconds… its a very long time
If Lee fought Ali then Lee would go to take Ali apart piece by piece and quickly. He wouldn't start with a side kick (per this video) unless it was a distraction. He would go for eyes, throat or legs. I don't know what this guy is talking about, he might have ring and ruled fights in his past but he hasn't been in many street fights
@@VolkXue your acting like Ali wasnt one of if not the fastest heavyweights ever. and that Ali being 6'3 wouldn't destroy Bruce lee 5'6 with his jab, Bruce Lee would go for the throat and would be met with a right hand which dropped Sonny Liston
@@imadeyoureadthis1500 Ali and his entire philosophy to fighting is kinda the reverse of what someone would want to do in a street fight and even more so in no holds bar, no rule fight against a guy like Lee that understands the body, pressure points and how to hurt you fast. Ali was a fast hardhead that could take hits and dance. Take his knees and that ends everything
@@VolkXue your adorable 🤣😂🤣
A heavyweight doesn't punch, he fires howitzers at your face.
I'm not from this world spoken like a wimp
@@Kalagenesis Ooh!! You is cold as ice!!! I mean.....that's some 10th yr level Trolling right there dog!! What are you, 7??
Leman Kurtz people who talk like that live in fear.Overestimating an enemy is just as bad as underestimating one.
@@Kalagenesis It's not fear, it's a fact. Get your head out of the clouds.
I'm not from this world I’ve been punched before by the best.If you can’t toughen your body don’t fight.
Ali was a big dude, 6’3 230 lbs 78” reach. Jogged backwards in training and had a great chin with legendary speed.
Ali was 215 in his prime dude😂 his heaviest was about 220
@@isaacdebebe2224 i stand corrected
@@timboslice980 Yeah, like Ramsey said, boxing isn’t only punching the footwork, feints, wrestling, and sweeps are a big part ppl don’t see. I’m boutta start a boxing promotion that’s boxing but allows unlimited clinch time, with takedowns, and 30 seconds of submission attempts on the ground. That’s way more realistic to a street fight than kicking and endless ground time.
@@isaacdebebe2224 i LOVE that idea. I think foreman, duran, armstrong, and frazier had so many weapons from the clinch that are lost today
@@timboslice980 100% Duran is my favorite fighter
I love Bruce. He died young ,became a ' Martyr' to Martial Artist. He was just a man though.
It's like this weird taboo where your not allowed to say Bruce Lee is even beatable. People will turn and look at you like your crazy.
Honestly BL could not beat a golden gloves boxer ..he would stand no chance in 2 rounds vs a pro well schooled fighter He was an actor not real never really fought anyone this argument is not even relevant
Jack Mehan Yeah.. people need to learn the difference between a fighter and a Martial artist. Bruce was No fake, that’s for sure, but he wasn’t super human. Even some of the new generation students of Bruce Lee’s Martial art are faster and stronger than he was and they still aren’t fighters, since they’ve never fought. To claim that he could Beat a pro fighter is just nonsense
@@ricksterdrummer2170 .....
So, tell us;
What's the difference between a fighter and a martial artist?
@Jack Mehan....
So, what's YOUR PROOF to the contrary??
Taurus 83 A Martial artist is a guy who practice Martial arts. A fighter is a guy who.. well, fights... it’s obvious.
A fighter is of course by default also a Martial artist, but a Martial artist isn’t by default a fighter. To be a fighter you have to fight. It’s obvious..
Leave it to the RUclips comment sections to accuse a respected MMA instructor of not knowing anything about martial arts
Bruce Lee is not a respected martial arts instructor. He was a charismatic fraud and many people lied for him. Lots of martial arts were fraudulent back then. Anyone who does actual martial arts laughs at Bruce Lee and his disciples. Actual fighters back then also laughed at him. Bruce Lee was an actor, not a fighter. He certainly was not an instructor of any merit. If he was good he would have done full contact fights, but he knew he was a fraud so he never did that.
Fedorevsky I was talking about the people that say that Ramsey knows nothing about fighting
Fedorevsky I was referring to people saying that Ramsey Dewey didn’t know what he was talking about
Ah, sorry about that, then I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Fedorevsky you’re good. I can see why it’d be confusing
According to Robert Clouse, the director of "Enter the Dragon," he visited Bruce Lee while he was shadow boxing while running a film of Muhammad Ali.
Bruce said he had to study Ali's moves, because people expect him to one day fight Ali.
Clouse asked who would win.
Bruce straight up said, "Are you kidding? He'd kill me! Look at his hands! Me, I've got these little Chinese hands!"
That is a word for word quote from "The Making Of Enter The Dragon" by Robert Clouse, which I believe can be purchased on Amazon. (And don't blame me for the culturally or racially insensitive remark towards Asian folks. First I'm Asian, second Bruce said it!)
Now, if Bruce himself admitted that he would lose to someone who massively outweighed him while still displaying dazzling speed, had years of full contact experience, and was a world champion(!), then fans who still insist that "Bruce could have beaten Muhammad Ali" are (sorry to put it this way) only fooling themselves.
One could say that is harmless fandom, but those same folks are also liable to join cults and believe in absurd conspiracy theories, as well. (Sorry!)
See things as they actually are, not as how you would like them to be.
If the size of the hand matter than in the way that smaller fist will hurt more because the force is delivered to a smaller area and that causes a harder impact.
Can you put up a link to the source?
Would make your point much harder to disqualify
@@bigmichael6156 That only applies when you're going bare knuckle. In gloves bigger hands are actually better because they fill out the gloves better, less air and space between the knuckle and the inside of the gloves.
Unverifiable stories are always the most trustworthy stories, aren't they?
@@echelon2k8 Making that statement in defence of Bruce Lee is very ironic.
Why aren't you fitting the typical "Meathead" stereotype? I don't think the authorities like the fact they can't put you in a box. Ramsey, your logic and respect "on fighting" and towards people in general is unheard of. You are a breath of fresh air compared to "the norm". Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Yeah ramsay knows his stuff, I wouldnt fight him , like Bruce lee could probably kick the SHIT out of some 200 Lb ametuers, but against a great fighter 2x his size, its cruel and inhumane, weight classes are there for a reason, bruce lee could punch him 10 or 15 times with his watahhhhh! wayne chun weak ass punches, then ali will do a little shuffle with his feet and hit him with a 2piece combo line him up with the jab and then knock him out with the followthrough.
That is wisdom
Keanu Reeves could take down a group of Navy Seals because movies.
Absolutely.
Have you seen Keanu Reeves actually shooting and handling firearms for real? The almost unbelievable part is that Keanu is pretty fn good. Better than most SWAT or mil guys
And Seagal would fondle women like a creep, because hes an ass
Navy seals no probs, SAS, not a chance
@J C haha im talking real life !
Jet li was in a movie where he beat Randy Couture and Tito Ortiz. He then gave an interview about them and said that any of them will beat him in 9 seconds.
He was being modest. He was actually a champion fighter by 13. Just saying.
@@monkkenyon2539 Randy would've killed Jet Li. Lol. Tito, besides his horrible trash talking, was a beast.
@@davidlazaro5362 Randy maybe. Tito, no. The wordsmith is literally only good at wrestling. Randy was in the Army and shit so I could see that. Lol
Donnie Yen in Ip Man 3 has mentioned he thought his life was on the line when he fought with Tyson, a hit that actually connected would have messed him up good.
@@monkkenyon2539 bless ya... Anyway. Back to the real world
I know this is an old video, but I trained in JKD from one of Bruce's "descendant" students. The "real fighter" philosophy was there, but like you said, I didn't actually train, nor did I have the desire to be a "professional fighter." It was geared towards "self defense." However, that being said, I have an interesting experience. After a couple of years of training with this particular instructor, I had my ego stroked and quickly rose to the "advanced" class. Thinking I was actually a good fighter by then, some guy from a boxing gym across town came down to check out our school. The teacher invited him to our Saturday kickboxing and sparring session. We would do the "Bruce Lee" thing and get all padded up with our boxing gloves and do some "medium contact" sparring. Thinking I was pretty awesome, I got matched up with the boxer. Long story-short, I got my clock cleaned and thoroughly embarrassed. I landed a couple good roundhouse kicks, because he wasn't used to the increased range of kicks. But he quickly figured that out and repeatedly "rung my bell."
Shortly after that, I lost interest in continuing the training after coming to the same realization. I was not athletic enough to compete with an actual, well trained and experienced professional fighter. Even after my teacher offered me an assistant instructor position. I simply didn't have the time, nor the dedication to train that much. No matter how "awesome" you think you are, there is always someone bigger and stronger that can just sit on you and you can't do much about it.
Maybe striking isn't your thing, you could try ground fighting 💪
To be fair, your anecdote doesn't particularly mean anything at all. Unless you had the capacity to to 2 finger push ups, over 50 chin ups while holding a 75 pound plate, and out power a Heavyweight Karate Champion, you can't speak for Bruce Lee in the slightest.
Not saying that he'll definitively whoop Ali, but you comparing yourself to Lee is like Night and Day.
@@ChrrolloDI we seen him do two finger push ups we never him do anything with a 75 pound dumb bell and we saw him push a Karate champion, so ya
@@ChrrolloDI you guys are forgetting bruce lee was an actor, not a fighter. he had no fights! no verifiable record. please understand. look up what unsubstantiated means.
@@CanHazDeezHandzBOX A person who never trains and only acts is not a fighter. Despite not having professional fights in the ring, Bruce did have fights in the short time he lived and he trained and sparred with many people from different disciplines... Including boxers. Bruce's training was so obsessively rigorous that the skill and speed he acquired puts many "professional" fighters to shame. To call Bruce an actor and NOT a fighter would be an understatement. Look up what understatement means.
Thanks for being logical man. "Just a boxer" should be a terrifying statement not a discrediting misnomer
Yeah, good boxers are dangerous now let alone one that is that big amd that skilled!!
Then if it's "da streets" they have their skills AND all the "dirty tricks" people who think they can fight think they'll be able to do.
HERE IS AN ANSWER FROM BRUCE LEE HIMSELF:
Another time Yeung, aka [Bolo] went to see Bruce at Golden Harvest Studios. Bruce was screening a Cassius Clay [Muhammad Ali] documentary. Ali was world heavyweight champion at the time and Bruce saw him as the greatest fighter of them all. The documentary showed Ali in several of his fights. Bruce set up a wide full-length mirror to reflect Ali’s image from the screen. Bruce was looking into the mirror, moving along with Ali.
Bruce’s right hand followed Ali’s right hand, Ali’s left foot followed Bruce’s left foot. Bruce was fighting in Ali’s shoes. “Everybody says I must fight Ali some day.” Bruce said, “I’m studying every move he makes. I’m getting to know how he thinks and moves.” Bruce knew he could never win a fight against Ali. “Look at my hand,” he said. “That’s a little Chinese hand. He’d kill me."
bruce lee said that jokingly!! he was smiling
Joking doesn't mean he disbelieves it. I joke about how I am late, but that doesn't mean I'm actually on time.
Love this comment!!!
I now even like Bruce Lee even more, it means that even if his skills are that great, he still knows how to think logically and be realistic.
Dominic Ho agreed! 👍
Fantasy is good, It keeps martial arts alive, but when people dont realize something is fantasy thats a problem
Well said.
👍
True but could Bruce Lee hit hard with the way he hits? I think Bruce could knock Ali to the ground but Ali would just get up from it.
Bruce lee wasn’t all fantasy tho he was very very good
On a Bruce Lee channel's video about Mike Tyson vs Bruce Lee in a street fight, one comment claimed that Lee would beat Tyson even if they were both allowed to only box, and it got a ton of likes. The idiocy of this world can be astounding sometimes...
Damn that’s just 😔
The problem with that is lee by sheer law of physics cant punch hard enough to hurt tyson whos whole style revolved around absorbing shots to get in close then clobber someone. Against a fighter like ali whos whole game was to keep it at a distance lee wouldnt stand a chance bc he wouldnt be able to get in clise enougj to hit them
People want to believe in magic
Tyson is a powerhouse for durability and strength. Lee has everything else. Even so if we regard boxing exclusively, Tyson wins.
I just started watching these videos last night and found them very interesting, very thoughtful from a man of experience. Great job Ramsey
Bruce Lee fans are cool people. Bruce Lee fanatics are NUTS.
And we have a whole new generation of them such as hardcore,
Masvidal nuts
McGregor nuts
Nurmagomedov nuts
The word "fan" is a contraction of "fanatic". You're welcome.
@Master Ding Dong Now what kind of a ding dong stupid statement is that? Bruce Lee's fame began back in the Green Hornet days in the late 60's. There are pictures of him signing autographs for American youngsters. His Green Hornet character Kato also made him very famous in Hong Kong. When he travelled to Hong Kong in 1970 with his son, he was surprised to have been greeted as Kato. And of course he made several movies before Enter The Dragon that made him even more famous before 1973. And going back even farther, Bruce Lee was also getting famous in the martial arts community with his debut at Ed Parker's Long Beach International Karate Championships in 1964. The tragedy about you is that you are the dumb fuck and you are deluded by thinking you're smart. A pity. Maybe a therapist.
@@Tannhauser62 Well, the Oxford dictionary defines "fan" as "a person who admires somebody/something or enjoys watching or listening to somebody/something very much," and the same dictionary defines "fanatic" as "1. (informal) a person who is extremely enthusiastic about something," and "2. (disapproving) a person who holds extreme or dangerous opinions." So there seems to be maybe a difference in degree with 1. and a more sinister and irrational sense of the word with 2. I think the latter sense of "fanatic" is meant more so when people are being called Bruce Lee fanatics, especially by persons who are not all that impressed by Bruce Lee, so there is a kind of difference in my mind.
@Goddamn 47(you sound angry)
Ever read Freud? I always liked his "reaction formation" theory, among others like "sublimation." Funny how an angry fellow uses FELLATIO as a weapon of criticism against others who really haven't done anything wrong. I mean, that's the first time that such an idea of performing fellatio on Bruce Lee ever entered my mind...if it weren't for you. You could be harboring homosexual urges in your "id" that's conflicting with your "superego." It's called Freudian hydraulics. Just a thought.....hmm, could be a FTFY, no?
Lee himself ended this debate decades ago. He said that Ali would "kill [him] in a street fight" because of the size difference, citing his "little Chinese hands."
@Jiyu here's a source, taken from a book about Bruce Lee,.. 1989 book The Making of Enter the Dragon, director Robert Clouse revealed that mere sight of "The Greatest" made Lee’s blood run cold:
"Another time Yeung, aka (Bolo) went to see Bruce at Golden Harvest Studios. Bruce was screening a Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) documentary. Ali was world heavyweight champion at the time and Bruce saw him as the greatest fighter of them all. The documentary showed Ali in several of his fights. Bruce set up a wide full-length mirror to reflect Ali’s image from the screen. Bruce was looking into the mirror, moving along with Ali.
Bruce’s right hand followed Ali’s right hand, Ali’s left foot followed Bruce’s left foot. Bruce was fighting in Ali’s shoes. “Everybody says I must fight Ali some day.” Bruce said, “I’m studying every move he makes. I’m getting to know how he thinks and moves.” Bruce knew he could never win a fight against Ali “Look at my hand,” he said. “That’s a little Chinese hand. He’d kill me."
www.maxim.com/entertainment/bruce-lee-muhammad-ali-ronda-rousey-2016-6
@@kingjohnny7215 Great job
The problem is the context is unclear. Was Lee talking about a no-holds barred fight or was he talking about a boxing fight? If boxing then absolutely he’d lose. In an actual fight... well he has a chance as boxing is very limited. Based on him talking about his “little Chinese hands” my guess is he was talking about boxing. The fact that he was studying Ali’s boxing style also is indicative that he was talking about boxing.
With all this said, Bruce Lee unfortunately never lived long enough to see the UFC. I think he would’ve been shocked to see how easily boxers have been beaten in fight and how effective grappling is. Yes, I know he knew about grappling. But I think he overestimated boxing and underestimated grappling.
Things that are WRONG in this video
1.The definition that a street fight isn't a real fight because they are not trained fighter is WRONG, you can have 2 train fighters in a street fight.
2. In a fight with NO RULES Muhammad Ali will win, shit no rules even I can win. That means weapons and illegal killer moves are allow.
3. Muhammad Ali is only professional at boxing, he wasn't trained outside of that field, never had to even deal with something as simple as people attacking below the waist.
4. Weight doesn't mean accurately translate into strength and in performance it's always about strength/weight and endurance. A 240 IB man that can only deadlift 500IB VS a 185IB man that can dead lift 750IB has a HUGE performance difference. That 185 IB man with no skill might just as well destroy the 240IB guy with no skill in a fighting sport.
In a fight with NO RULES where illegal moves are free to go anything can happen both sides so Bruce Lee can beat Muhammad Ali but in a boxing match Bruce Lee will get beat up.
Your research is wrong. Lee said he would lose to Ali with boxing rules. But, he would kill Ali with no rules. I paraphrased the quote, but look it up. Mike Tyson already said "Bruce Lee is a Killer". End of debate.
I wish I could remember which book I read it in but it is a distinct answer from Bruce about him vs Ali. For some reason it's nowhere to be found when I try and google it but I remember seeing it clearly. He said in a no holds barred fight with no rules he would "kill him". Bruce admired Ali and knew that Ali had all the ingredients to be a deadly opponent. But Bruce trained specifically for a fight against someone like that where anything goes, no rules. Plus he was already smashing boxers bigger than him during his training and he only sparred all out, full contact. He is on record stating that he fears no opponent in front of him, so the whole "blood ran cold" when he saw Ali is a bunch of crap.
Im a fast fighter a martial artist, and a 3 times golden glove champion. Weight 140 and one day i spar my student of years he weigh 245 ponds. He got me with a hook to the body and i ended in the hopital for 3 days with a collapse lung and broken rib. Ali would destroy Bruce lee with a single punch and send him to the hospital!!!
Easy to pretend to be someone online
Ali never had a real fight in his life.
@@axelstone3131 Had to come back after a month since you are slow-witted?
@@axelstone3131 doubt you ever been in a real fight 😳
You are not bruce lee don’t compare ur lack of skill with the legend
Love your delivery! Steady and not overwhelming. Allowing the listener time to digest the message. Thanks for your videos.
100% in agreement. Bruce was conceptually far ahead of his time, but he was not a man who fought for a living day in and day out. Mohammed Ali’s footwork was superior, his reach was dramatically superior. Ali’s jab has nearly the same reach as Bruce’s side-kick. The power isn’t worth comparing. Bruce was a magnificent specimen, but not so magnificent as to nullify the laws of physics.
Bruce never introduced himself as the best fighter, in fact, he studied philosophy. He was a great thinker and made the world of martial arts advance and spread around the world.. A real hero for many ppl still not a fighter ofc
His footwork was not superior.
Read his book for christ sakes
@@nietolala I think u need to read up on bruce lee if u think he didnt see himself on a fighter u dont know shit
Meredith Leavitt I not only read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, “way of the intercepting fist”, but I did my dissertation on his philosophy and it’s applications for physical therapy, so before you talk about what others have read, try engaging them conversationally so you don’t come across as foolish. I am more versed in Jeet Kune Do than you as I’ve actually studied it, not just read about it. Finally I was an amateur boxer with over 60 fights so I can see things from both sides. My opinion is objective and informed. You don’t know what you’re talking about and you should read a book on physics so you can learn about leverage, torque and the relationship between mass, velocity and power. All your theories are based on your mysticism engrained belief in what you’ve seen in martial arts movies. You probably believe the fighting in The Matrix is real. Ha
@@JorgeDiaz-on6ht I completely agree. All these people saying Bruce would win have never set foot in the ring. They live in fantasy land where Bruce is magically untouchable despite never having fought in professional competition.
I'm a Bruce Lee fan who watched his films and read books about him, And there's no doubt that he was a great martial artist. But there is zero chance that a super featherweight/lightweight who has never fought in professional competition, would beat one of the greatest heavyweight champions ever. Forget fighting a heavyweight like Ali, Middleweights like Nicky Holtzken and Buakaw Por Pramak would beat Bruce Lee.
Nobody in history could beat the world’s greatest fighter, Bruhammad Alee.
😂😂😂
Well done
Shut up dude
Lets be honest, a fusion technique by those 2 would be scary as hell.
Bruhammad Alee: I'mma H2KO Smokin' Joe like a pitcher of wataa on an old radio!
Your commentary on martial arts is very articulate and compelling. It’s nice to hear top professional boxers get the respect they deserve in this world now dominated by professional MMA.
Comparing an actor vs a heavyweight boxing champion is like comparing a preschooler who barely knows how to count vs a phd mathematician. Makes no sense 😂😂
Ali practiced his four punches over 10,000 times.
David Alzate ....a day
In 2 hours
Uphill in the snow...
David Alzate barefoot
Amateur boxers throw around 2000 punches in a training session. They probably throw several thousand in casual shadow boxing throughout the day. Pros throw at a slightly lower rate, but their workouts are longer. The bottom line is, boxers practice each punch 10,000 times within the first 6 months of training.
I'm a welterweight casual boxer, I remember sparring a heavyweight and his jab nearly took my head off. By no means was he slow and he wasn't trying that hard, he just had vastly more power than me.
Ali fans : Ali would win
Lee fans: Lee would win
Ramsey: I would win
Redosel Gabumpa 22:20 „in fact I would beat bruce lee in a fight”
@@BartasRapowanie he's not wrong though
@@BartasRapowanie oh ok👍
CAPTAINGEEN GEEN i think most mma pro fighters would beat him. BUT if bruce lee lived today? Who knows man, I think he would be a goat in his Division
@@BartasRapowanie Thats actually pretty believeble
I knew a girl in elementary school that said she could beat any guy because she knows their weak spot.
lol
Ali 6'3" ~230
Lee 5'8" ~130
I am a HUGE fan of Bruce Lee and think he was an amazing martial artist but Ali was an amazing boxer as well. I just don't think Lee could overcome the reach and size advantage if they were to have a real fight.
I think in a boxing ring Ali would win. But in a vale tudo fight where anything goes, Bruce Lee would win. Bruce Lee was faster, and he had many weapons besides his hands.
lee was closer to 5'5 or 5'6
@@aleksander7014 lee was 5:10
@@RandomvidsNoms no he was 5'7
@@aleksander7014 his wife is 5:7 n he was taller than her.... N he was taller than jackie chan. Jackie is 5:9ft. Google it.
I talked with a good friend of mine about sparring together, he said he'd rather not and when I asked why his answer was similar to what you say here.
He's a 6'2" 200 pound guy with a boxing and wrestling background. I'm 5'7" and 160, when he's boxed with people around my size and weight he said he's had to very purposely hold back not to hurt them, and when he boxes with people his size he says "getting hit from those guys makes me not want to fight anymore"
size really does matter when fighting.
@trufiend138 But Bruce Lee has done many street fights and when those occur you can't complain about weight. And also...he has won them all....(If he didn't we would know because Bruce was famous even as a child) Ali has like most champions cherrypicked most of his opponents and he couldn't even prevent losing 5 matches. How then would he stand a chance against Bruce?
@@hitoshiigarashi5350 all the street fights of bruce lee you mention are from either his own accounts or his disciple's accounts , basically there is no acceptable proof of it. What we know is that he was never in a professional fight.
Ali fought Frazier, he fought Foreman you clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think they were cherry picked... those people were beasts!
cherry picked my ass, bruce lee never picked a single fight with or without the cherry!
hipered there’s no proof cause they didn’t happen people make shit up on the internet
@@hipered "basically there is no acceptable proof of it" ...in other words putting up known abilities in the ring vs unknown abilities in the streets. The scenario is therefore pointless to even put up.
@@hitoshiigarashi5350 name one time he cherry picked? did he cherry pick when he trash talked his way into Sonny Liston? how about the times he took on Fraizer knowing he could lose, or Foreman? the list is huge all the greats he beaten and that was an era when heavy weight boxing was probably at its best for talent you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. also show me a clip or evidence of all these street fights of Bruce Lee that he won... because from what i saw of his sparing some of his techniques were pretty sloppy by todays standards, i respect his philosophy and his contribution to MMA but he'd get his ass kicked by Ali (and alot of the MMA roster of today) i don't care what skills you got all's it takes is one punch from a bigger guy and your head is scrambled like eggs.
There's a difference of knowing how to fight & being a fighter. As Ramsey said " If the lights are still on "
Now, Bruce Lee was amazing & I wouldn't say just because someone is bigger than him they would win the fight, but at the same time we're not just talking about any heavyweight.
Ali was next level boxer of his time. He was so fast & had reach on Bruce & it would only take one good Ali punch to the side of Bruce's head.
I think it would take a hell off a lot more for Bruce to take down a man who can also take a punch from a heavyweight.
The difference is Bruce would use weapons, bite, hit in groin, where Ali would ONLY know to bring out his "boxing"! If Ali would get him know the late 50's, early 60's, sure. Kareem,.who was bigger than Ali and trained in Jeet Kune Do for several years, said Bruce was by far more of a challenge to me, than I was to him!
@@anthonyzarate9807 Your talking with fanboy mentality. Kareem was a basketball player not a fighter, Ali would fuck him up. Bruce has fought nobody of note that we know about.
@@stevo62ful Ali is actually the one we have no idea who he has fought. Again, boxing is a sport with rules, street fighting or real fighting is totally different. There are no rules. There is video of Bruce Lee having real fighs on rooftops in Hong Kong. It is also a well known fact he had to leave Hong Kong because he literally beat up the wrong people. They had parents with influence with the police, so he had to come to America. Bruce Lee was always fighting on the streets, and always won. Everyone from his neighborhood has confirmed this.
@@anthonyzarate9807 You are clutching at straws to believe what you want to be true. We can clearly see Ali beating formidable opponents. The videos of Bruce on rooftops is pathetic, it looks like kids having a skirmish, no skill on display at all, in fact you can't even tell it's Bruce. You have no idea he always won, it's what you want to be true. Even if he did always win, they are not proven fighters. All the stories about Bruce in HK are nothing more than anecdotal, you could not name a single person that could prove Bruce won all these insignificant fights anyway. Maybe Bruce was this superhuman, but you fanboys need to grow up and accept there is no evidence.
@@stevo62ful you took Spoon of Water from Ocean and declared:- “There is no Sharks in Ocean because I didn’t find in my Spoon.”
@Ramsey your comments and videos are always spot on. Follow your videos and love watching them. Somebody who gets it. There are so many people who just don't. Keep them coming!
What people don’t realize is that Bruce Lee respected Ali. He spoke several times about how good Ali was and sounded like he feared Ali.
@Death Is A Doorway yeah... Both are greatest in their own ways .. and both are much intellectual
bruh he doesn't fear Ali, in his philosophy remember that he said "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." I don't even understand how someone can fear another human, we breath the same oxygen and we're both humans.
@@roebloxy9986 hey I’m just going by what he said
Sorry, that is not true. Bruce was very impressed with Ali's speed, size, and strength! He was not afraid of anyone!!!
If it was a boxing match, Ali would destroy Lee in less than a round. If it was to survive a life or death match, Bruce would do whatever is necessary (weapons, biting, pulling hair, hitting in groin) to win. Without a doubt, Bruce layer his life on the line in every fight, Ali was just a BOXER and sportsman, not a fighter willing to kill another man in a dark alley!!!!!!!!!!!!
@YūGen Grey (Telepathy Is True) Not in a fight, but most definitely in a boxing match...HUGE difference!!!!!!!
A good little man can beat an average big man. A good little man would lose against a good big man.
@Gaming Addiction Bruce lee died when Mike Tyson was a little boy.... you are spreading lies
@Gaming Addiction Bruce Lee was a man of practicality. He worked with and exchanged displays of talent with martial artist champions of his time.
He even wanted to start something like the MMA to prove the impractical nature of some martial arts that were too strict on form and grace.
Bruce lee did naughty stuff like streetfights when young. Still got caned like mad even if he won them. Tyson is a boxer, Bruce .....kicks. RUclips has stuff on the contrast. Ask Mgm. Also vids on Bruce are available. Quite widely considered he can fight, unlike other movie action stars(asian) nowadays.
But not if the big man couldn't see the little dragon coming.....
I agree with you. Thank-You for all the info. I constantly learn new things.
Love the way you elaborate on all combat fighting topics from all obscure angles . New subscriber
Ali - KO's 37 / 61 Fights - 56 Wins
Weight: 236 lbs.
Height: 6'3"
Reach: 78"
Lee - 0 Professional Fights
Weight: 141 lbs.
Height: 5'8"
Reach: 68" - Average reach of someone 5'8".
Both great athletes, but way different individuals. You make the call.
Just for clarity, Ali in his prime years was actually around 215lb. He was 230s in the 1970s. The Ali some believe to have been unbeatable was the one that fought Sonny Liston and Cleveland Williams in the 60s.
Actually, Bruce Lee had an extended reach, one that was the equivalent to someone who was 6 foot
@@NoName-gp6dk even then he would have a 6" disadvantage
You forgot to add kicking range/impact.
You all forgot the mma fight Ali took part in against a someone in Japan I think? Forget who it was. But the guy basically just stayed on the ground and kicked at Ali. Ali basically got no hits and got kicked repeatedly. During the fight he was still doing some dancing around. After they were surprised he wasn’t limping a ton becuase he took such a beating to his legs. He was so tough it didn’t matter how much he took, he would always seem fine in the ring
My dad used to say "A good big'n will always beat a good little'n"
God shave the queen! Crumpets. Downton Abbey.
His tidbit of wisdom probably kept you from biting off more than you can chew many times. Sage advice.
Royce gracie fought circus performers who didn't understand submissions. Not knocking his creds, but a bjj practitioner equal to his skill but greater than him in size would likely have quite an advantage
Yup. The only consolation is, the bigger they are, the more likely it is they'll get heart and back problems as they get older. But waiting for that to happen is not a tenable combat strategy.
@Stogie D "No other martial art can claim that"? Any martial arts with the same repertoire can claim that. But it's not about _which_ martial art you practice, but _how_ you practice it.
Some friend of Bruce asked him would he win against Ali.
He said:" Are you kidding? Look at this monster!!!"
No joke! He really said that!
Really enjoy your posts and the way you present them. After many years of Tae Kwon Do and Wing Tsun, my Martial Arts journey is pulling me towards Jiu Jitsu.
Muhammed Ali, now that he's dead, wouldn't stand a chance against me.
Yeah nah, were both already dead inside.
FACT LOL
😂😂😂😂
And i can definitely beat bruce lee, in his current condition...
@@allosaurusfragilis7782 only in your dreams
They both win. those guys would have loved to hang out. They would have traded training tips. They both knew the value of swagger.
i not think soo ... they dont know how to fight with someone ho is much biger they fight evry time with someone with the same dimension in my opinion ufc and mma taining is more aqdvanced like boxing they using onli punching not use grapling,bjj,judo orr legs high kik or low kik or nees nothing onli punch sorry if im not agree with you...
Bruce lee even said an American with one year of wrestling and boxing training would smash a taekwondo and king fu master in ten seconds
I wasn't even a black belt in Tae kwon do and l was told a guy who'd won Golden gloves was after me. When we met, he initiated the violence by punching me in the face. So l retaliated with a kick and put the clown too sleep.
@@shaneferris6742 it depends on too many things. TKD by itself isn't all that great because on a real fight, your kick can actually be catch by the other guy, he can actually take you down, punch you on the face, etc... but if you actually manage to get that one kick to land perfectly, they are done for haha.
I have seen some TKD places that actually want to teach their students how to fight, if you were taught by someone like that, you probably can defeat many, TKD is strong when trained properly.
Anyways, the guy thta punched you doesn't seem to be that good, did he really miss your chin!?
Thanks for your straight up honesty and I totally agree with you. So many people have wrong pre-conceived ideas based on desires not facts and real life.
There is a reason why we have weight classes.
@aspi rine and that’s why size matters in boxing or mma sometimes
@aspi rine yeah in sports stop dreaming
More like rules divisions
If I fought someone who has 20kg on me I'll go down and out by a stiff jab. You can't deny reality, unless you are a basement dwelling neckbeard as many "streetfighters" seem to be.
@@fadyalame3507 lol
Bruce lee was such a great fighter he knew what fights he could win and loose .. a fight with Mohamed Ali was one he knew couldn’t win.. being humble enough to admit that make him who he was.
I think those fights he won were only staged for his movies. When Chuck Norris asked Bruce who was going to win in the Colosseum fight, Bruce quipped that Bruce would of course because he was the star of the movie, The Way of the Dragon!
Totally untrue. Bruce Lee knew something that you don’t and prepared himself into it” water” . The water has not form, but can adapt to any form. What is more powerful than water? Example,( Royce Gracie understand the power of water and adaptation no matter the size, or the difficulty of the situation. Be a water my friend
Rembuden Bruce was a movie as a job. A job like a mechanic, or. So, but Bruce Lee ( Long Beach international karate is a reality
Bruce had great admiration for Ali, But never said that he would lose ageanst him, matter of fact, he always wanted to spar with ali. (read it in an old interview)
All that beside, People should stop thinking a pro boxer stand a chance ageans another pro fighter that uses his legs knee's etc etc.
as small as bruce was compared to ali, dont forget how much speed can do, i dont kno what its called but that nasty kick to the knee jon jones does all the time. Would end this wight within 20 sec.
@@mardijansen8717 well bro , just how many people in the world love Bruce Lee over Muhammad Ali speaks it all ,don't care those cry babies
Having studied a variety of martial arts over the last 25 years (though I have not fought professionally or even in amateur fights) I am confident that the most practical skill I have developed is taking a hit and maintaining composure. I am fairly skilled;that being said, in my younger years when I was much more prone to fighting, I have also found that no ability to take a hit can compensate for a 50+ pound weight difference, particularly against someone who is equally or more skilled. I have won a couple of fights against people who were significantly larger, but they were also drunk and had no training.
I really like your no-nonsense approach. Thanks for these videos.
I remember being hit by a guy much heavier than I and he also had focused power. It was the hardest ive ever been hit in my life and people just don't realise just how powerful a heavy weight fighter is ,it would scare most people the amount of force they have, and a small person may surprise you now and again but you can't argue with physics!
They measured Bas's punches before, said he hit hard enough where any shot on the skull would almost cause a concussion by itself. He could easily break bones with his kicks. At least when he was in fight shape he could, I dunno how much he can still do to this day- probably still clothesline or lariat someone so hard their head spins. Bas's clothesline vs Shane Fazen's head kick was something to behold in that regard, though to be fair I don't think Shane put on 50 pounds since his fighting days!
I know, sparring with a friend of mine when beginning in muay thai felt the same. The dude was only slightly bigger than me, but the force. Jesus..
How often see that a street figther takes out the martial artist? THOUSAND TIMES! Karate Figters who get knocked out.I did it for myself with judoka figthers, they know the moves, I know some moves, but they had no chance against my strength....
Not to be bipolar or anything but this is likely the reason Miguel exists in Tekken. And I HATE Miguel. In a game celebrating martial arts around the world we have "untrained street fighter" as a pick, simply because he's big and has scrapped often enough...
DoomRater How does any of that relate to being bipolar?
The people who says "just a boxer" simply does not understand how effective boxing training is in fights in general, even when talking about street fights.
Yeah, the only weakness I see in boxing is that they don't condition their bare-knuckle fists. A boxer who is good at basic judo would be the best bet for winning street fights, IMHO. The southern Chinese Kung Fu styles like White Crane are a lot like boxing, but, most of the "masters" you see never box, so, they usually look like idiots on the rare occasions they do.
What you gain vs time spent. Boxing is one of the best methods of fighting you can learn for self-defense, largely in part because of how much you gain compared to time spent.
Ps. Also, if all you want to do is learn how to throw a punch, forget kung fu, forget karate etc, go to a boxing gym. No where else will teach you to throw a punch better than a boxing gym.
@@WulfricUlfang001 Boxing could help you beat normal people. But it has too many vulnerabilities to be considered a complete fighting style. Anyone who use only boxing would get destroy in a street fight unless his opponents are either utter shit or physically much weaker.
aclock2 you've not seen many street fights.
@@siddified True some people like to theorise in there own small world.
I really love your channel. The honesty is priceless. Thank you. Cheers from Japan.
I absolutely admire Bruce lee and Ali. They’re the guys who got me into fitness. Let’s be real though, there is no way Bruce Lee could beat Ali in a fight. Size absolutely matters when they are skilled at fighting.
bruce lee can beat up anyone. no one matches his speed and performance.
@@nm1978, What performances are you talking about, lmaooooo
@@Lurker27819 the power and speed of his pouches and kicks, his one inch pouche, that still no one on earth can perform. Dude, don't you know anything? so many haters out there.
You’re an idiot, falling for demonstrations. There’s no way Bruce Lee would win, he’s no superhuman
@@Lurker27819 i'm think that they sre trolling
This part that says: "if you want to be professional about your fighting, don't do it in the streets for free" just kills the whole discussion. plain and simple.
The word professional just means you are regularly paid for something. It has no baring on skill level.
The Hong Kong men who challenged Bruce all the time didn't do it for free. They would have been rewarded a movie contract by a HK filmstudio and became a moviestar if they could beat Bruce in a fight. I would say that would bring fighters of all strength and sizes and not the cherrypicked chumps Ali had to face.
@@hitoshiigarashi5350 yeah man George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes are all cherry picked chumps. Weight classes exist for a reason and any hw from any decent combat sport would maul Lee
I know this is extremely late to the party but thank you immensely for stressing the importance of foot work ie positioning in real fighting.
Man, even though it sometimes looks like you're about to crack a joke... but you're so wise in this field. Really articulate video. Subscribed.
I think Bruce Lee even once admitted that Ali would kill him in a fight.
Just hearsay.
@Herb Dragon 01 You're being delusional.
@@echelon2k8 only hearsay to you your JKD church
@Herb Dragon 01 very true
Bruce Lee's fanbase > Realism.
It is almost comical how they can convince themselves that Bruce Lee was some sort of unbeatable mythical creature.
@@toplad8113 not really unbelievable. There are fake videos of him playing ping pong with nunchucks. Someone who doesn't know these are fake could very easily be convinced he was on another level than other ppl
You win. This is the best comment.
Tristen Little oh really. moron.
Speaking of realism. Didn't Antonio Inoki dominate Muhammad Ali in Tokyo on June 26, 1976 by just using kicks and limited wrestling. Muhammad Ali master of boxing didn't have a counter or answer to it. He was so badly beaten the hospital almost had to considered amputating his leg at the hospital, where's Antonio Inoki barely took any damage. Bruce Lee would have used more than just wrestling and kicking vs a master boxer like Muhammad Ali and would exploit his limited skill set just like Antonio Inoki.
When I boxed as a flyweight with light heavyweights and heavyweights sparring, it was for their speed and conditioning their stomachs. Their stomachs were like rock. My wrist would bend no matter how straight I tried to keep them. They weren't that fast but incredibly solid. Not a real contest at all. I laugh when I see some lite weight female in the movies flattening some NFL or WWE size dude. Not real. Bones would be breaking.
Yeah i think atomic blonde is the only movie that thought about that that's why she uses jujustsu
well, a meta-human lady would destroy them
fantasy aside though, a lightweight\cruiserweight woman would just die in seconds in a fight against a huge guy, if the guy is not going easy on her
I was holding back laughter in a theater recently whilst watching a preview for a movie called anna, it is exactly what your talking about.
Ron Sexton Oh Id laugh as well. Especially when you see some sort of tacticool girl doing her fancy moves on some big brute guarding something. In reality, if she was going to try that, she wouldn’t have enough momentum to really damage the brute with her body, unless she had very small hands or feet with very strong bones and a lot of fast twitch muscle. Even then, it’d be hard to hurt the brute simple because of his mass. Momentum is velocity x mass. There is a reason mass is used in the formula, but she could hit as hard as the brute if she could punch with enough speed.
I don't care what anyone says. As long as the girl is hot and does that thing where she scissors herself up to wrap her legs around my face, I'm enjoying that shit almost all the way up to the end. :)
Appreciate your analysis ... and understand the points you're making ... I am a very long term martial artist [more than 50 years & counting] and I have trained in quite a few martial arts, competed in tournaments, sparred, judged, etc. ... I understand your points about "real fighters" ... but, no "fight" in the sport area is truly a "real fight" ... a "real" fight doesn't require that both or any of the competitors come out of the fight alive and not permanently maimed and without dislocated joints, etc. I agree that height, weight and ability to absorb damage are all very helpful in fighting ... but we're talking about fighting to "win" not fighting to live.
Just found your videos, great stuff. I understand what you mean by a street fight isn’t a fight so what would you classify a street fight as?
IP Man vs Mike Tyson. It was portrayed in the series, acted but there was no way a Wing Chun guy could prevail against a bull like Tyson
Mike Corder unless you were super good
@@t-jayakanerdibeats5980 Unless you were Lennox lewis
Your all forgetting their body size, weight, muscle, strength. So no wing chung would not win. Wing chun was designed back in the day when it was to be used to fight other traditional martial arts by other small stature skinny Asian men or women. So no of course they were not suppose to go up against heavy weight western boxers like Tyson. Just use your brain.
Wing Chun doesn't prevail against any style. Plenty of RUclips fights showing that.
Ip man wasn't fighting mike Tyson, he was fighting Frank, a character played by Mike Tyson, so in other words he didn't have mike Tyson's attributes
When I was in junior high in 1971, I believed Bruce Lee could beat Ali. Then I grew up.
@@guitarttimman You're talking to someone who didn't need a lobotomy. lol.
Bruce lee would have beat the shit out of ali
@@meredithleavitt5815 little man with no arm span and ok strength and good hand speed vs massive man with insane speed, mobility and power and athleticism. its not even close
@@nanderlizernanderlizer684 You obviously don't know much about Bruce, do you?
Nanderlizer Nanderlizer Bruce Lee was very STRONG. That man had very little body fat and his forearms were very developed. That made his punch powerful.
It’s weird hearing someone who can actually talk about this. Fighters fight, competitors compete, And generally speaking people who can’t fight argue about this stuff
I bet you are a great teacher! Very interesting, thank you 🙏
Bruce Lee’s only chance would to be to fast kick Ali’s nuts 🤣.
Aye, sensai
Ali doesnt even generate a force "two times" than his actual body with his full force punch. While bruce lee can generate a force "three times" than his actual body in just "one inch punch" .Then imagine his full force ,fast punch. Ali will get destroyed in one shot.
@@phoenixj1299 lol you got any proof for that
@@jessjay9645 Yes. Search in Google "Bruce Lee's records" it precisely states Bruce Lee's one inch punch's power demonstrated in international karate tournament (Joe Lewis was also present during that demonstration) LMAO.
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No, first: there is no official record for this
Second: google says he has the same full punching power as Ali
But was bruce lee able to stand against joe Frazier for 15 round?
If we assumed that they have the same punching power ali wins by stamina and reach and all the other factors
with that voice how come this guy isnt in movies ???!!
(or is he ?)
I agree. RD has such personality and an expressive face and voice that if he was himself in a movie people would either think he was a terrible actor or he should be the next Joker.
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Right!
He was agent Smith in the Matrix, just really good makeup. If we could get him to say "Mr. Anderson" I could prove it.
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Hahaha
Here is a good question you can make a segment about: What would be a good martial Art for a strongman?
Mr Dewey
Amazing content and perspective. I had a rowdy squad leader 30 years ago and he had a saying that basically summarized what you’re saying. He said there’s 3 types of muscle groups. Working 💪, working out 💪, and fighting muscles 💪. Thanks for the insight.
When Donie Yen did the IP man with Tyson, he said that he was amazed by the power Tyson develop when he hit the bag. He said that he'd probably die in a real fight agains Tyson (wich we all know was way past his prime).
Size matter when it come to pros fight. A big good fighter will almost always beat a small good fighter.
Absolutely correct. Traditional martial arts weren't invited to go up against heavy strong big western boxers. They're were invented to go up against other traditional martial arts styles by small stature Asian men. Use your minds
Focus matters. No matter how big you are, if a bullet lands in the right place, you die. And a bullet, is way lighter than a donnie yen. Donnie yen is hardly the epitome, of marshal arts. Neither is bruce lee. Bruce lee hits faster than donnie, maybe further.
Ali himself said Bruce would win the street fight, probably not in the ring. I concur.
well, Mike Tyson showed the world that this is not true, as he was smaller then most of the opponents he ever had. And if Lennox "The coward" Lewis had fought Tyson before, Mike would have put him to bed. nobody beat Mike Tyson at his prime.
I'm the biggest Tyson fan and agree that prime Tyson is the best pound for pound heavyweight of all time, but I'm not totally sure he would beat Lewis. Lewis was a really big guy even for a heavyweight, and he was underrated for his boxing skills. David Tua was a monster in a similar mold to Tyson, but Lewis handled him easily. We'll never know for sure but Lewis definitely had the tools to make life hard for iron mike.
@@spookyencounters9392 No they were invented to fight other Asian men of all sizes, just to fight, yeah. Small stature and other dance fighting bullshit not involved. It's just what is today... and I hate this simplification but it's true... because communism and decades of improper training afterwards.
I recently watched the Thrilla in Manila. Ali was on the early downhill from his prime at that point and Frazier landed almost 500 (heavy weight) punches on Ali including some humdinger uppercuts and Ali still never went down once in 14 rounds. Seems unlikely a 130 pound Bruce Lee wins that.
Exactly, Ali didn't go down to George Foremans punches, one of if not the heaviest hitters of heavyweight boxing history. There is no way people would think floyd mayweither would win against ali, so why are people so obsessed with an even smaller not profesionally tested asian man? Yes Bruce Lee is a legend and I respect what he did, but I don't pretend he was a world champion fighter
It's unfair comparison to be honest . His size alone is so massive it's likely that Ali would win . But even Ali lost to someone at some point did that make him any less great ?? Losing doesn't have to be humiliating or dethroning . Losing can be a learning experience .
While I agree that Bruce's chances of winning against Ali would be slim. You're mistaken to think Bruce Lee hit with the punching power of a normal 130lbs man. Bruce's punching power was on par with heavy weights.
@@shanecarlson1057 source: doesn't exist.
wake up, man.
@@shanecarlson1057 Yeah, everybody says that who sparred with him, Dan Inosanto said he could shell shock someone with just his jab. Bruce wasn't just ahead of his time, he was one of a kind, he probably would of beat Ali in sparring and made a fool out of him, Dilman did, so I have no doubt Bruce would completely school Ali, again in sparring. But in a real fight, we just don't know, probably, Bruce would attack some pressure point or vulnerable point and really hurt Ali. Ali would have to be able to catch him and land a few decent shots, and its unclear whether he'd be able to do that before Lee hit him in a vulnerable spot.
"Does Bruce Lee have a gun? Because if he doesn't, it's Ali in 3 minutes or less."
-Mike, Better Call Saul
Dude. I wish there were instructors like you around ( and mma as we know it now) when I was a teenager learning wado-ryu. You exemplify where instructors should be. But you're bang on.. M. Arts are so dogmatic it's unreal. If I knew then what we all see now I would have boxed, BJJ. Judo. (And any other form I could have studied.)
respect to you 😎
I agree with a great deal of what you say. One exception, though, is your assertion that street fights are not fights. The very definition of a fight is a heavy altercation. The level of one's skill, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with whether the altercation is a legitimate fight. A couple of guys swinging at each other in a parking constitutes a fight, regardless of how much their skill may suck.
I agree. A fight does not require professionalism, but the intent of antagonists to hurt their opponents, period.
plus there are some bad ass street brawlers out there. somewhere ...lol
That was my thought, too. The primary motivation of some students of martial arts is to be able to survive a street encounter.
In the ring, the reward for winning a fight includes some mix of a title, a trophy, publicity, and payment. On the street, an opponent at most wants only one of those things (payment), but also has a primary desire to pummel you. In a professional bout, an opponent is likely to withdraw if it becomes apparent you are badly hurt. In a street fight, there's no such limitation. That, to my eyes, makes it real.
You had me at the real fighter beats the guy that didn't compete. Battle wear one of the most important aspects of combat.
Exactly!!! Bruce had experience on a lot of stuff including grappling, soninwould usually say that he would win, but he didn't spar or compete! Of course that my guy Ali would win
Love your demeanour about speaking on behalf of fighting.
MY dad was a wrestling coach and my uncle was a boxer, they both stressed conditioning and footwork.
The range of your vocabulary is amazingly impressive !!!!
Bruce Lee vs Muhammad Ali: who would win in a fight? simple question but
why 23 minutes lol
The Sorrow ..A simple question, but not an easy question. Will the United States beat China in a military encounter? Simple question, but not an easy question.
Should end in 2.3 seconds.
he does give you the short answer quite early on
Excellent video. I think you’re spot on with your assessment
Dude, thanks. You woke me up. Being an experienced, professional fighter does make a difference. Especially if there is a big weight difference.
Bruce Lee actually said in an interview that Muhammad Ali would kick his arse in a fight . I love both of these chaps . They were my hero's and still are :)
Where?
@@boxingmonthly I think he was being interviewed in San Francisco when he said it. At least he was honest.
@@adamclark1972uk a friend told me the same and that he saw it... i want to see!
Lee also said that he could beat anyone in the world, so do not take any of those comments to seriously.
@@repolarrepolar9833 Yeah maybe showing his respects to the great Muhammad Ali, whom he very much admired
Hi Ramsey, Kind of off-topic but you inspired me to do my first Jiu Jitsu class tomorrow. Keep spreading positivity. Much love.
A Christian who moved to China to teach MMA and openly doubt Bruce Lee on the internet. This man knows courage like none other. Luv ya man. Keep the content coming!
A few years ago I saw a match between a heavyweight boxer who knew how to move, against a brazilian jiujitsu fighter who had maybe 60% of his weight. The boxer strategy was to keep distance from the BJJ practitioner so he landed a jab and a short cross to his face and ran back. I remember the BJJ practitioner bouncing in the ropes after receiving those lows to the head and I said "men, his sons will born with a bump in their heads". I wanted the boxer to win :)
Now, I dont remember exactly how, but the BJJ entered the boxer defense, took the fight to the ground and managed to put an sleeper hold on this boxer who fought for just a few more seconds before dreaming with little angels. The whole fight lasted about two minutes.
This happened because this boxer had no idea how to fight against a BJJ practitioner and had no defense or technique to protect him against his moves. That is the problem of knowing only one fighting range and I think that is what people mean when they use the phrase "just a boxer".
Ali wasnt "just a boxer" when you compare him with another boxers. He is arguably the best (if such thing can be said). Now, when you compare him to an MMA fighter he is "just a boxer" in the sense that he only knows one limited set of techniques.
Now I saw this boxer a couple of years later in an mma ring showing us a brand new grappling game.
If MMA was a thing when Ali was a boxer he'd've learnt to fight against it.
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Since when do boxers learn to "fight against MMA"?