The story I've heard about Chuck and Bruce was that they had met earlier and perhaps trained with each other. When Bruce needed a main opponent in his next movie he phoned Chuck and asked him. Chuck answered "So kid, how do you figure that fight will go?" to which Bruce answered "Oh, I'm playing the hero in this film, so I win."
"Everyone's first fight sucks" I smiled because that's totally true, my first competition was a karate point fight, I was 15, my opponent was 17, I was white belt, he was a brown belt, my guard was wider than old school boxing stance and the guy realised (probably because all his kicks were getting in easy) and he KO'ed me with an spinning hook kick (ushiro ura mawashi) straight to the nose and... sleep, I dreamed of Speedy Gonzales 😁
You absolutely took me back to the past right now, on my first karate competition I went will all my friends, back then all around 11 years of age, with our white and yellow and whatever color of the rainbow belts to the mat I thought we were gonna compete, just for me alone to be dragged away out of the 9-11 bracket, and thrown in the 12-15 one since I was 2 days 12 already and similar to you, my first fight was a 15yo brown belt. I spend the whole fight just covering my face, the idea of offensive never crossed my mind even though in a point match it wouldnt be such a bad one, altough looking back a lot of kids won their fight by just making the other kid cry, and in a similar fashion I was dragged out crying after the bigger kid beat the crap out of my arms.
Um...you realize that no one dreams when kaoed right? it's just blank and then your back in whatever position you were left in remembering you were in the middle of a fight...nice try
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedbeing a martial artist doesn’t make you a fake. He just wasn’t a fighter. He advocated for the healthy lifestyle and discipline martial arts can bring. He never advocated for getting into fights. He was a martial artist and an actor. Not a fighter. So again, that doesn’t make him a fake.
And also watch the interview with Joe Lewis stating how much better of a fighter that he became after training with Bruce Lee how many professional championships Joe Louis won after that Joe was extremely impressed with Bruce Lee's methods of fighting
Joe Lewis was a real hard man. Full contact world Karate champ. Chuck was not a full contact Karate champion. Joe would have maimed Bruce. I was a Bruce Lee fanatic when I was a kid. It hurts but it is true to say that the myth is powerful, the reality humbling.
They never spared , they only did a few drills , he even mentions that Bruce wasnt the superhuman everyone believed to and he did had flaws in his fighting method but he did admit he was quick
@@arjunna2364this guy is full of shit. A strange one for sure. You will see his posts on many Bruce Lee related videos. He seems to know some things about Bruce, but not others. If you question him enough about Bruce, he will not respond because he doesn’t know wtf he is talking about. He’s a Bruce Lee hater as well. Most of his posts are negative and putting Bruce down. He just said his heaviest weight was between 1950-1955 so he was his heaviest between 10 and 15 years old? 🤣 the guys an idiot.
I gotta say, Jackie Chan is underrated here. I have no idea how much real fight experience he has, but we know he's pretty familiar with pain and is very athletic. He's suffered a lot of injuries all over his body and can continue filming. He can probably take a punch pretty well.
I was thinking this comment in my head but i didnt know how to phrase it Bruce Lee would win but Jackie Chan would easily survive lol that guy got a hole in his skull
You must didn’t read his books, he clearly said he’s a martial artist and created a martial arts form! So why aren’t you expanding your studies on the topic if you’re speaking on it. He’s not just a “marital arts actor” and ge didn’t say he was “just” that either. You can have your opinion but don’t warp the facts sir.
@Trevor James Well you did make an compelling argument. I didn't really take into consideration the citations, I just came across and took them at face value. Anyway, I do still believe though, that prime Van Damme wasn't just an actor but a legit Martial Artist, or at the very least somebody who could hold his own in a real fight. Thank you still for clarifying though.
@@Gamerfan2000 Back in Europe during that time period, even the light contact matches were called “kickboxing”. It’s been pretty well documented that JCVD never did any full contact kickboxing matches and this was even brought up in a court case between Frank Dux and JCVD and neither he or his legal team disputed that. Since Ramsey brought up the Viking Samurai site, he did a video addressing this and despite him being a HUGE fan of JCVD, his video addresses that JCVD only did point sparring and that it was called “kickboxing” in Europe during that era (though he did make point sparring sound like it was tougher than it was, despite the fact that he criticized guys like Michael Jai White for doing the same). JCVD has a legitimate second degree black belt in Shotokan. He has done at least some cross training in, though no competition in Kickboxing. He is athletic and flexible and in good physical shape. He does have pretty decent experience in point sparring and overall good form in his kicking.
To be fair, according to Jeff Langton in the viking samurai interview, the karate point fighting back then was not like modern point fighting, as they'd go full contact and could win by knock out as well as by points.
He wasn't amazing and fighting because if he was he would be doing it on a professional level to prove himself. So the one thing that he wanted us to believe he was amazing and he wasn't. He was just a ballerina
@@deedumeday518 everything I say is true . Not one word is lies. You are the one that just admitted to harassing me. Many times before. If what I say is bul you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Now go F yourself 😊👍 And stop hiding your comments.
I always wonder why do ppl only class Bruce at only 135? It was recorded that he did max out at 170lbs.? I'd say 170 is a good mid weight; i.e. Gergoe St Pierre in his competition is 170. I wouldn't call him tiny.
I agree completely. I have respect for Lee - as he was, ya know? He had a very basic grasp of grappling (especially ground fighting), and was of below average size… though he had excellent conditioning and his walking weight was lean muscle. Any well-rounded, natural 170+ MMA practitioner would just maul the dude. Hell, Lee knew these things & was actively improving his grapple game. That drive to better himself and his (imho) cohesive philosophy are why I respect Bruce Lee, more than his fighting prowess.
Thanks so much for answering my question, coach!!!! Literally the best birthday present I got this year! :D :D :D It seems like you had just as much fun making the video as I had watching it. What a great cherry on top it would be if it helped with those evil RUclips bots putting you down lately!
Did you guys see the interview where Georges St-Pierre talked about using several concepts and techniques he learned from Bruce Lee? The video's title is "GSP talks explains how karate and Bruce Lee help his wrestling". Anderson Silva also, has mentioned using Bruce's techniques several times!
@@RRTNZ Of course they would, they both have a size advantage and are more skilled, but they both use things from Bruce Lee and I'm simply pointing that fact out...calm down
look, many people started doing Martial Arts because of films with Bruce, it is a fact. Did Anderson Silva use BL techniques? To win his fights, he was using MT, BJJ rather than WC or JKD.
Bruce Lee was a great conceptual martial artist and a visionary for his era. He was also inducted into the BLACK BELT Hall Of Fame as the Instructor Of the Year for 1972. Lee made some legitimate contributions in terms of philosophy on the martial arts, though there were others during his era and even before him that took it much further and in greater depth. He did have the largest public platform for this though. Lee also did make some contributions in terms of technical advances that are still used by elite fighters and coaches today. He was the first to adapt the weapon first concept from fencing into punching with his non-telegraphic lead straight or what Jhoon Rhee and his student Muhammad Ali called the “accupunch.” He also made great strides in the advancement of the use of set point control in stand up striking. Joe Lewis, who lived many decades longer than Lee took these concepts much further and shared with the next generation of fighters and coaches and obviously others took the ball and ran with it, but much of the early ground work was set up by Lee’s early work. Lewis said of Lee that he “was a great teacher and an actor, not a fighter.” Many people who actually have a real fighting background are so annoyed by the cult of Bruce Lee fans and their obnoxious worship of their mythical superhuman character, that they don’t give the actual man the credit that he deserves. They annoy me too, but Lee didn’t create the Bruceploitation industry and all of it’s fan fiction.
I know he doesn't count, but Randall "Tex" Cobb is a boxer/kickboxer turned actor. He has a win vs Leon Spinks, and losses to Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton. So he was probably the most dangerous actor in Hollywood.
Excellent; Randall " Tex" Cobb was truly formidable; he was a professional boxer with a really pretty good pro record. He also appeared in the Chuck Norris show "Walker Texas Ranger" and I laughed at the thought that he would lose against Chuck when in reality he would have won Tex Cobb clearly !!!!!
sorry he was a martial artist first and utilized his skills to become an actor, correction lee didn't want to be called a star because it is not tangible, he wanted to be evaluated based on his acting skills based on the interviewer's question, he viewed himself a martial artist first
People would be shocked to see any of these actors fight. Remember UFC 1? All of those black belt level martial artist and the fights mostly looked like school yard fights with grown men. No dim mak, no jump spin crescent kicks, no backflips, just wild windmill punches and basic ground and pound.
Seriously though, I think it’s important to assume each fighter gets to train for the fight. I’m talking about a full camp. In that scenario you nailed it on size(Norris,Van Damme, Yen, Seagal) deciding the outcome. Bruce said that all other things being equal,a good big man beats a good little man every time. The guys that are closer to Bruce’s size all get housed with Jaa giving Lee the most trouble because of his style and apparent willingness to take a lot of damage. Possible to say that for Chan as well but he’s said plenty of times that Lee would have easily beaten him. It’s all speculation tho because there is still the story about Sammo challenging Bruce because he didn’t like the way his “Enter the Dragon “ scene made him look. Jackie said Sammo wouldn’t take off his sunglasses for days afterwards and Sammo was a lot bigger than Bruce. I’m inclined to think Bruce Lee’s training ethic would give him an edge in his weight class and his tricky thoughtful style could give him an edge over anyone in da streets. Be safe
I heard a lot of martial art champions from his era and they claim he could beat them all no matter what size they were. The problem with people in today's world they believe size matters they all believe that. That creates limitations. If you believe size matters then it does. I'm surprised that people talk about Bruce lee not being a fighter. That is not entirely true. He was not a professional. Big difference. The claims have been made how he beat them in all on sparring no matter how big they were.sparring does matter. If you can't hit him in sparring. Why would it be different in a real fight. Joe louis watch his videos. Watch Chuck norris videos. Bruce was untouchable. Plus he knew how to harness more power. Then most people. This guy didn:t do enough research. He did some.
@@thereviewartistrrp5493 Dude, size ABSOLUTELY matters, it's basic physics. I don't care how well trained you are, if you are half the size of Francis Ngannou, what exactly are you going to do to him? The power of belief doesn't change that. Also, not being able to hit him? Do you understand how every fight plays out? If you want to hit me you are going to be in range for me to hit you back, unless you have a significant reach advantage. If you don't, and I'm bigger than you, I can strike you even when you retreat. Speed doesn't somehow magically protect you from being hit unless you just run away. Many strikes NEED to be checked precisely because you cannot just avoid them if you are in range. People claim that he could beat them out of respect, particularly post-humous respect now. It's not an indication of anything, and it doesn't replace real-world evidence. What we do know is Gene Labell carried Bruce around like a child when he challenged him. What does that demonstrate? That a bigger, stronger Judoka could EASILY manhandle Bruce, and you want to tell me a guy the same size and weight as him could have done that in the same way? Talking about doing research while blurting such blatant BS is what's ironic.
Bruce is freakishly fast so he can definitely get his punches in. But not sure if he's used to getting hit and that changes the game significantly. Like how would he react, how's his durability, will his chin hold up... etc.
These kind of questions and debates about Bruce have been going on for years. NO BODY knows the answer to who would win in a real fight. How could you really know. It is just different people's opinions nothing more. My opinion he was for real. Your opinion something different.
Bruce Lee was the founder of Jeet Kune Do, a hybrid martial arts philosophy drawing from different combat disciplines that is often credited with paving the way for modern mixed martial arts (MMA). Lee is considered by critics, media, and other martial artists to be the most influential martial artist of all time and a pop culture icon of the 20th century. Bruce Lee's early martial arts experience included Wing Chun (trained under Yip Man), tai chi, boxing (winning a Hong Kong boxing tournament), and apparently frequent street fighting (neighbourhood and rooftop fights). In 1959, Lee moved to Seattle. In 1961, he enrolled in the University of Washington.[8] It was during this time in the United States that he began considering making money by teaching martial arts. He opened his first martial arts school, operated out of home in Seattle. After later adding a second school in Oakland, California, he once drew significant attention at the 1964 Long Beach International Karate Championships of California by making demonstrations and speaking. He subsequently moved to Los Angeles to teach, where his students included Chuck Norris, Sharon Tate, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. In the 1970s, his Hong Kong and Hollywood-produced films elevated the Hong Kong martial arts films to a new level of popularity and acclaim, sparking a surge of Western interest in Chinese martial arts. The direction and tone of his films dramatically influenced and changed martial arts and martial arts films worldwide. Lee became an iconic figure known throughout the world, particularly among the Chinese, based upon his portrayal of Chinese nationalism in his films, and among Asian Americans for defying Asian stereotypes.[12] Having initially learnt Wing Chun, tai chi, boxing, and street fighting, he combined them with other influences from various sources into the spirit of his personal martial arts philosophy, which he dubbed Jeet Kune Do (The Way of the Intercepting Fist). Since his death, Lee has continued to be a prominent influence on modern combat sports, including judo, karate, mixed martial arts, and boxing, as well as modern popular culture, including film, television, comics, animation, and video games. Time named Lee one of the 100 most important people of the 20th century. Contents Early life Bruce Lee as a baby with his parents, Grace Ho and Lee Hoi-chuen Bruce Lee's birth name was Lee Jun-fan. His father Lee Hoi-chuen was a famous Cantonese opera singer based in Hong Kong. His mother Grace Ho was born in Shanghai, and she was of Eurasian ancestry.[14] In December 1939, his parents traveled to California
Chuck vs Bruce ABSOLUTELY would've been one sided. Norris has black belts in Kyokushin, Judo, BJJ, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, and Shito Ryu. He got the BJJ black belt much more recently of course, long after Bruce was dead, but Chuck was already mixing his martial arts many years before Bruce started to formulate Jeet Kune Do, and that happened only a handful of years before his unfortunate death. And Chuck was about 25 pounds heavier in addition to his pro sport karate background. He was simply a larger, more experienced, and more knowledgeable man. Bruce's grappling was rudimentary at best; trying to mess with a larger, experienced Judoka who can also kick you in the face is a big ask.
@@slee2695 Yes. Norris had a brown belt in Judo by the time he returned home from the Vietnam War and then continued to study, including under Judo Gene LeBell.
I've tried to think alot about this subject from a rational standpoint. There is no doubt that Bruce was very capable martial artist. He did have real traditional training and fight experience. He then evolved some old styles into technique that MMA uses today. I would say, if you threw him in the mix without any warning of MMA based on just his movie experience, he would lose. But...if you have him some time to prepare for the fights, and he gained fight experience in the octagon, he could probably top his weight class. He would be competitive.
He had fight experience he started with many of the top martial artist of his time. Just not professionally. No one could touch him in his prime. No matter how big they were. He developed a technique so he could harness a lot more power. Plus he didn't telegraph his punches. Plus he was the fastest man that ever lived. Their is plenty of testimonies. Church out Joe Louis videos a heavy weight martial art champion. He learned from him. He teaches about how Bruce became so fast and powerful. Plus you can't hit bruce from what their saying and if you can't hit someone let alone clean. How you gonna knock him out? Size only matters if the skill level is the same. But that is an illusion. There is no such thing as equal skill. Bruce lee knew way too much. Why do you think he train with Chuck Norris. To get better. He was different. Another example is Rocky Marciano. 190 pound heavy 5-11 short arms. Undefeated. One of the biggest hitters of his time. Granite chin and was very slippery and smart. People now days discredit him. Old school fighters were by far tougher and had way more endurance. They use to battle it out for 30 rounds. Rocky in his prime would destroy anthony joshua. Rocky would destroy andy ruiz. I even think he might be able to beat Wilder. I lean more towards tyson fury winning but that is only because of his skill and size. Watch his fight. He was amazing. Bruce studied everything from the beginning of time. People in modern times act like the past doesn't exist. Do actually their skill level has suffered because of it. Bruce lee cherry picked. He only used what he need. He also could grabble. Boone ever talk about that. In olden times they didn't believe that size matters like they do today. That's all anybody ever talks about. Bruce lee was like hitting a piece of metal. Not these bloated up fighters of today. He had 2 percent body fat. Just rock. Size didn't matter for him.
@@thereviewartistrrp5493 spoken like a true fanboy. There are mixed things said by the other martial artists. Joe Le Lewis for example, thought Bruce was fast and powerful but didn't know if he could take a punch. Your assertion that Hitting Bruce was like hitting a piece of metal is purely fanboy wishful thinking with no proof to back it up. Joe also said Bruce was not a fighter, but a great teacher. There have been several guys on these BL threads that knew Joe personally, and they say Joe thought he would have beaten Bruce in a real fight. He also says he never sparred with Bruce nor seen him spar. Chuck norris Gene Le BEll, Bob Wall and even Dan Inosanto have mixed things to say that do not fit your superhuman narrative. The ones that do say nothing but positive accounts of Bruce ,e.g. Jim Kelly, give no details to back up their assertion. None of us know the truth as Bruce has no proven fights. Without those we can only speculate.
@@stevo62ful I'm not a fan boy. I just bruce willis is adaptable. Also he was like 2 percent body fat. He created his own martial art. Don't you think he would learn to adapt. Your just hating
@@thereviewartistrrp5493 I like Bruce but I don't let my emotions get in the way of facts. your wildest claim is that hitting Bruce is like hitting a piece of metal. Even if all the other claims are true, his achilles heel would be getting hit. Let's say a hard hitter like George Foreman struck Bruce or Andre the Giant, who is likely to be hurt the most ? He was fast sure but there are others that may be faster. In the meaningless Vic Moore speed test he is throwing punches at thin air as they were short of hitting Vic. Thomas Hearns threw a right cross that demolished Roberto Duran that looked at least as fast, and was thrown with power not flicking into thin air. I know it hurts you over zealous fans but the cold hard fact is that Bruce is unproven as a fighter. I was disappointed too when I learned this, but it is what it is.
Don't know if Dolph Lundgren counts, he was more of a martial artist in real life then on film. Being a serious kyokushin fighter and huge I guess that wouldn't even be fair.
was just about to comment on this. agree that dolph beats all martial arts actors mentioned above. size, actual competition, european champ if i'm not mistaken
Hi Ramsey, I have a question about performance anxiety. Is there a crossover between different types of performances? For example, if someone had a decent amount of experience performing live music, but had never competed in a combat sports setting, or vice versa, would their experience performing in front of people in one discipline translate to the other? I’m curious to hear your opinion as someone who is both a musician and a combat sports athlete. Cheers from Australia 🙂
"EVERYONE'S FIRST FIGHT SUCKS" My first boxing match I showed heart and tenacity, but I also lacked self-awareness(dropped guard, missteps, overreaching) and I panicked a bit. Second match I did everything right till about the last round when I let it all out too soon and opponent caught me. 3rd match I became a machine, and that's when I finally figured out what I wanted to do with my life.
This would actually be very interesting to watch! lmao In their Prime, my List would be: 1.) Chuck Norris, 2.) Jean Claude Van Damme, 3.) Jackie Chan, 4.) Donnie Yen, not sure the rest.
Ramsey, you have the courage to speak the truth. Bruce Lee had no interest in excelling as a sports competitor. He devoted himself to self defense techniques and, in that regard, he claimed his most dangerous technique was his finger jabs to the eyes. Because, after he blinds you, the rest of the fighting will go his way. He appeared fast and technically skilled so eye gouging would be a very good way to defeat his opponents...myself included.
He really doesn't,, he's just upset that he doesn't have natural coordination and talent, and people that don't have that natural talent get really mad at someone that does, because people like that no matter how much you practice by just sheer reflexes they can beat you. This has nothing to do with fighting Gary Elms, it has to do with the countless fights Bruce was in as said by family members for years of his upbringing.
@@counterstrike89 Two silly fanboys here. you and the other retard Axel stone. you both have something in common, which is that neither of you can name a high level fighter that admitted to losing a full on fight to Bruce.
@@garyconner6151 I could have said Chuck BEAT him on MULTIPLE occasions but it won't matter to you. You'll believe what you want. Bruce was not by far the baddest man on the planet at that time.
@@garyconner6151 Why was Mike Tyson training with Cus who he could've easily killed. Being a good instructor doesn't necessarily translate to being an amazing fighter.
I honestly believe that Bruce Lee could beat Frank Dux. But then again, Frank 'The Universal Dominator' Dux has also defeated everyone that's ever looked at him funny AND unfunny, won an intergalactic tournament, and survived a 3-man deathmatch against Barney Google and Optimus Prime. So I'm not really sure who could beat Bruce...
Dude, Bruce wasn't just a "martial arts actor" he studied multiple disciplines in real life and blended the best of them to produce his own called Jeet Kun do.
Yeah, but how many time did he test his skills against another professional fighter? Sorry man, i know a lot of people who mastered all the Katas, back flips and can do the most visually impressive stuff, but will pass out with a single punch.
Martial Arts movie actors that would beat Bruce Lee (if hypothetically same age in same era) : Olivier Gruner (also real world champion fighter), Benny Urquidez (also real fighter), Gary Daniels (also real fighter), Gene LeBell (Judo master), Cyrill Raffaelli (IKFF combat world cup winner), Marko Zaror (size), Michael Jai White (size), Joe Lewis (kickboxer and actor), Scott Adkins (PKA Kickboxing instructor), Jean-Claude Van Damme (Belgian Kickboxer and competitive Karateka), ...
If you check with those martial artists who fought with Bruce Lee, you will know how invincible he was. Check with former Muhammad Ali body guard. He had fought with many top karate fighters including Chuck Norris(he was Bruce student), .Many denied losing to him to save face. When he was in the States he challenged many dojo instructors and beat them. Check it out.
Think all of them are good 👍🏻 but Bruce Lee is a legend, Worldwide ! In a street fight I would go with Lee-he have speed/strength and killer instinct ! When it is real that he dominated Joe Lewis in a sparring, then he would be able to do that to all of this Actor/ fighters. He was „Billy the Kid“ of martial arts, that fought extras that challenged him in the film set ! He believed in himself and his abilities, without preparing like the pros, weeks or months ! With trainers, analyses their opponents like a doctor 👨⚕️ Thinks he says, to beat me you must kill me ! He was a warrior a samurai, he was real deal ! All other mens are good fighters, but Lee was like a Cobra - dangerous ! He was the brightest Star in firmament ! To K.O a person don’t needs much, you can train all your body, but not the head and jaw ! One kick in the head it’s over- think the sparring from Ramsey with his student, one second absence-K.O illustrate this very well !
@@davidpineda9160 Did you sleep with him cutie how do you know?? 😂. I am an undefeated amateur boxer but have utmost respect for Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris these guys will remain legends forever. A real martial artist irrespective of his style would never speak shit about someone like Bruce.
They sparred, although it wasn’t under good conditions. It was because Joe hurt one of Bruce’s students, Herb Jackson, this pissed Bruce off so he told Joe to stay a bit longer, Bruce put on the gloves and played .with him for about a minute. Joe couldn’t do anything. Ted Wong, Kareem Jabber and Herb Jackson were there and all 3 have confirmed this. If you want more insight into what really went on back then pick up wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee by John Little. Very informative book.
@@Metaltrippin2 like I said. A lot of people changed their story when Bruce wasn’t around to call them out. Watch John Little’s interview with the Kung Fu Genius. You will learn a lot. The one you ought to watch is called Bruce Lee’s real fights
I think if we had a time machine to bring him to modern times and he trained in mma with good coaching he'd have the attributes to do well in his weight class maybe even become a champion.
To add to my own comment, in the lack of recorded evidence I think we should definitely consider the testimonies of people who knew him, worked with him and trained with him and look at their accounts. People such as Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis trained with him and talk about his pound for pound strength, his speed and technique. The main conclusion I get is that 1. he was ahead of his time in regards to his training method, 2. he was capable enough that other martial artists wanted to train with him, including world champions. 3. he had the attributes of a fighter physically and mentally, especially in his work ethic.
Of the Asian Fighters, I think Prime Jackie Chan would beat all the others. Including Bruce Lee. Chan went through the most rigorous training regimes that would count as torture by todays standards. He also did his own stunts and actually takes hits in fight scenes. (Not all, obviously, but still.) Bruce Lee I respect but he is overrated to me.
In Jackie Chan’s book “I Am Jackie Chan” he describes how his brutal training, including the martial arts instruction, was in service to a potential career in Chinese opera, which was basically a stuntperson job. Although he was in street fights that he won, he acknowledged his limitations as a fighter.
@@DrezzyEFTP humility is a doctrine of martial arts masters. Jackie was far more skilled and versatile than Bruce. Bruce is so famous for his innovation in martial arts.
My wife's dad was at school with Bruce (and Jimi Hendrix as it happens) at Garfield/Franklin here in Seattle. They weren't best buddies or anything, but what he said, was that Bruce was a pretty cool guy, was fast, liked to demonstrate this or that thing, but he said absolutely nothing about him getting into fights all the time, or anything like that. He made him sound like just a pretty cool, yet normal-ish guy. For whatever this is worth.
I don't think Segal would beat him. Segal can't kick or punch, he needs to get a hold of him. Bruce's kicks were just too fast and powerful. Bruce would just keep Segal at distance using his kicks as jabs. And even though Segal has a size advantage, I still think Bruce was stronger. Joe Lewis said Bruce hit like a heavyweight. Bruce's body was like a coiled spring, Segal's body like play dough. Even in his prime, Segal has very little muscularity, he was soft. I think a guy like Michael Jai White would be a tougher opponent. He has the size advantage combined with speed and power. And are we talking about a rules based fight or a no rules street fight? With no rules, Bruce would have a better chance in general. I think Bruce's speed was his greatest asset. None of the guys mentioned are his equal in that department.
Honestly out of the whole batch Steven Seagal is the worst. He's just 100% fakery. I'm pretty sure any random guy off the street within 6 inches of his height, and 80 lbs of his weight could beat his ass.
They did drills not actual sparing , a few years the same Lewis kind of gets back to reality , you have to understand nobody wants to talk trash about a guy like Bruce Lee. Look at what happened to Jay White ,despite having an ego ,White actually has the experience and size to beat up Bruce Lee but fans wont see it cuz White has an "ego"
I'm 5'8". 180 lbs is my high school weight and I was fit and reasonably muscular. As an adult, 200, trained is fit. I seem to be heavier or more solid than others my height that consider 180 as heavy/fat/ out of shape. I dunno. But my 5'5" Chinese Kung Fu master can hit me so hard that I felt it thru my body and started hurting more [internally] 2 days later, than when I was hit. Theres def a element here being missed by the emphasis on size/weight/ power delivery. Dan inosanto said Bruce Lee had deceptively unbelievable power for a guy you would write off as a small. My master was the same. I saw him hit and school 6 ft guys. I'm gonna say there's an underestimation here. Lee got to a level of fitness where he would hit the heavy bag 1000 times a day, every day. He had king Fu schools where he sparred with students twice his size, all the time.
@Fredrick Frederickson i know what you mean. id prob be bruce lee ripped at 160. never been there. haha, but at 180 i was pulling skin off my upper body and had 'enough' fat on my belly. gotta get there again. so the gym bros at 210, 220, are probe 20 lbs heavier than burce lee in muscle? he couldve punch thru an extra 20 lbs of muscle and 30 lbs of fat. And the head is the head, no matter how large you are (unless you necked out in traps like the dude in the netflix 'killer sally' Ray McNeil). Id say height would be bruce lee's biggest disadvantage, not weight. fighting a 6'2" +++ guy, Lee would have to resort to ball shots, skin twisting, finger breaking, all tactics illegal in MMA.
Bruce was training 25 to 30 hours a week. Thousands of reps per week. Finger jabs, punches, kicks, body mechanics, footwork etc. He trained with anyone of any size from any background. He has many full contact sparring matches and they weren’t nobodies either. Joey Orbillo, Hayward Nishioka, Joe Lewis. Be beat Chuck Norris behind Closed doors, although you will never hear Chuck Norris talk about this. It was kept on the down low by many people, including Bruce. Check out John Little’s interviews on the Kung fu genius channel. Very very informative stuff. He also has a recent book that just came out called wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee It’s throughly researched and well documented. Definitely worth reading.
I think you underestimate Jackie Chan. The more I learn, the more credit I give. Yeah, he's overwhelmingly a performer vs fighter, but the insane training he was subjected to, his overall physicality, complete desentization to danger, ability to soak damage, etc., would give him a huge advantage over the average martial artist or even less experienced fighter, Bruce Lee included. Bruce would be nervous, especially since his career was so dependent on his image.
I was thinking this myself. Jackie Chan has taken some real injuries and kept going with his work. I probably outweigh Chan by 2x, but I really wouldn't want to be in a fight with a guy who stands up and says "let's do another take" with a broken wrist or hand or ankle.
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I can't speak to his fighting ability, and if it turns out that all of the injuries and his going on is just PR, then I'll recant. I'm going off the same criteria that I would use for the guy in my old Army unit that just took insane injuries and kept marching, or digging, or whatever. (The one I really remember is when he smashed his shin in with a pickaxe.) Or the old guy in the factory I used to work at who sliced his hand from the palm to halfway up his forearm and just wrapped it up with a shirt and kept going. Fighting ultimately is about hurting the other guy to the point where he can't hurt you anymore. I don't like fighting someone who doesn't really acknowledge getting hurt.
@@willchurch8376 life makes us tougher for sure when its not an easy life.. Some of us felt that pain from babies just a few months old ... i was one of them .. i can sit here and tell you some crazy stories ... but people are judgmental.. so i keep them to myself .. but i will tell you i had surgery on my knee and i didn't take the drugs they were giving for the pain .. the doctors was saying i was crazy because i wasn't taking their drugs .. pain is there foe a reason to keep us from further injury numbing the pain might make it worse by not knowing to stop... that is what i told the doctors when they told me i didn't pic up the prescriptions of heroin and cocaine... They are drug dealers...
Jackie Chan worked on 1 or more Bruce Lee movies. He considered Lee as his older brother. But against any other actor, he would've done almost as well as Lee.
Bruce Lee could beat William Zabka, Martin Kove, John Carradine (Carradine is a wimp and a perv), Sylvester Stallone (maybe), Keanu Reeves (I think), Patrick Swayze, Donnie Yen, Jackie Chan, Yuji Okumura, Bruce Willis, and of course, Ralph Macchio (EASILY). 😁😁😁 Bruce Lee vs. Pat Johnson would be interesting…. Not sure there…. Same deal with Jason Statham. Pretty sure Carl Weathers could take Bruce Lee, but I am not 100% sure. Actually, I might be wrong about that, but Carl was VERY muscular…. Seagal and Lee would have been on more of an equal footing, I think. If Bolo trained more in martial arts, Bolo Yeung could have held his own against Bruce Lee. Arnold Schwarzenegger vs. Bruce Lee, wow…. I mean, I would pay good money to see that fight. Thing is, Arnold really wasn’t a “fighter”…. Wesley Snipes vs. Bruce Lee = Also unsure. Ron Thomas might put up a good fight against Bruce, also not sure… Marshall Teague would probably beat Bruce Lee. Obviously Michael Jai White would beat Bruce. Same deal with Scott Adkins, Benny Urquidez (that guy was INSANELY, MIND BLOWINGLY TOUGH), Anthony De Longis, Dolf Lundgren, Mr. T., Ong Soo Han, Dwayne Johnson, Vin Diesel (probably, not sure), Randy Couture, Terry Crews, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan/Terry Bollea (OBVIOUSLY), Matt Mullins, eh, lots of really big/lean/tough guys, basically, that are also actors.
Coach, your friend Jordan (former Red Chuck) did a video about "Bruce is a fighter". His assessment was Bruce had more fight we didn't know (my guess would be either street fight or underground fight). I agree with him (particularly considering the environment he was in). I think Bruce had way more "real" fight experience than we can verify, but unfortunately we would never know.
I grew up in a scenario where I experienced a lot of street fighting… as a fighter and as an observer. If you didn’t grow up this way you might not realize what you’re sensing about the guy, but certain true bad asses who ALWAYS dominated in street fights carry a rare type of attitude. Watching and listening to Bruce’s interviews it’s very easy for me to spot. Bruce had the experienced street fighter’s attitude. Bruce was a bad ass and I’d venture to guess he knew quite a number of other bad asses when he was growing up in Hong Kong.
Ramsey, just because he wants to be great actor doesn't mean he CAN'T BE A GOOD FIGHTER. He knocked out Nakachi in 11 seconds. Despite wanted to be good actor, Bruce was real deal. Notice you don't talk to his former students. They all said he was real deal.
All my students think I’m the bees knees too. That’s usually how student/teacher relationships work in martial arts training. I bet your mother thinks you are pretty special too!
@Ramsey Dewey You pissed off, bitch? What you said is exactly my point, Bruce's students know Bruce and vice versa but you so full of yourself kid need growing up. The truth about Bruce is with his former students, but you don't want to go there. Disrespectful
eddie the fanboy is back. I'm still waiting for you to name a credible fighter that admitted to losing a full on fight to Bruce ??? You seem to be avoiding that one 🤣🤣 I'll let you save face though eddie. As you have FAILED to answer that one, instead you can tell me your favourite REAL fight of Bruce that you have seen ?? Fair enough ??
Bruce Lee stated that he was a martial artist first then an actor. Joe Lewis didn't think he was just an actor or he would not have trained with 'just an actor'. As a martial artist that is you first and foremost however else you earn a living. If you don't put it first you don't get far and nobody got further than Bruce Lee. Chuck Morris said Bruce Lee was completely devoted to martial arts. The acting came a long way behind and if he hadn't done that we probably would never have heard of him and martial arts would have remained in the dark. Very few people knew anything about it before Bruce Lee. You couldn't find a club or dojo and nobody had heard of Kung Fu.
Nobody would have trained with Bruce if he was bullshit or just an “actor” all the proof of his legitimacy is staring people right in the face but for whatever reason people have this absurd agenda against him.
@@joseortega4395 Another fanboy with the "tournaments have rules" excuse. no doubt when you reply I will get the "No camera phones back then" excuse and "listen to testimonies".
Chuck beats Bruce, because Chuck learned a reasonable amount of Judo when he was a military policemen, so he has more than just striking skills. Van Damme probably has a significant weight advantage, so I'd give him a very good chance, plus some real kickboxing matches to his name. Tony Jaa has a Muay Thai background and would give Bruce a rough time. Scott Adkins is physically bigger and stronger and has a well rounded training background. Michael Jai White would overpower Bruce, with his strength, skills and deep menacing voice. Steven Seagall would anhillate Bruce in an eating contest. Not sure about Jackie Chan or Donnie Yen. Just calling it as I see it, and happy to be convinced otherwise by compelling evidence. Cheers.
Joe Lewis had the style closest to Bruce, so I would like to see them fight. Bruce wasn't a fighter by trade but be was an extreme trainer/pioneer of the combat arts. He trained to fight, that's why he used armor when he sparred. I've seen Bruce's bag work, it looks a little sloppy. He had a right lead roundhouse kick that's like nothing I've ever seen. He has great balance, fantastic speed and trapping hands. I would say maybe Chuck Norris or Sammo Hung would have the best chance of beating Bruce Lee. Bruce had a very big ego and a fire inside him. He would not go down easy. Tony Jaa would confound him at first, in my opinion. Jackie is not nearly mean enough. No Segal, no JCVD, no Donnie Yen and no Jet Li. I choose Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris and Sammo Hung...in that order of his peers. Master Lee is not to be underestimated, but my only doubts are in his chin. Mostly only Boxers have the most proven chins by default and none of these guys are Boxers, so...no real proof of any chin. And a punch in the gut will still hurt you real bad even if your name is Bruce Lee. But I would lay some serious money on the Dragon. Well, not that serious...a hundred dollars maybe Pay Per View. Lol! That said, I would NOT want to be the guy that has to step in the Ring and fight Bruce Lee. I think he's gonna have a bad day. And I honestly think Bruce Lee was a just little too mean for these other guys.
A big one not mentioned is Dolph Lundgren. Very legit in many ways as a fighter, and enormous size advantage. HUGE size advantage, with lots of strength and athleticism. I'd have to go w Dolph. But Dolph could likely also beat most action stars. But in any case...if Bruce trained in today's MMA, he'd be quite scary. Even back in his day, he sparred with the best and incorporated functional arts into his fluid hybridization of fighting. His fluidity, movement, athleticism, instincts, and speed - esp his speed - no doubt complimented all of this.
Bruce Lee was 145 soaking wet so somebody like Michael Jai White would destroy Bruce. Everyone needs to stop being delusional about him being unbeatable and get more realistic about it
@@keroncelestinealtho u r partially right, the difference between Ali & Lee is far more significant than between Ali & his bigger opponents. Ali is about 68% bigger than Lee whereas Ali’s bigger opponents were only about 13% bigger than himself. So that’s a bad comparison
Weight is the single largest factor. Many martial artists that worked with Bruce made the same observation: they couldn't touch him. The kid was fast. And he punched above his weight. But is that enough to overcome the weight disadvantage? We'll never know. But he was way ahead of his time. 10 more years and he would have been studying with the Gracies. And then the match ups all change. Sad we never saw it.
I think Bruce Lee vs Taimak would be interesting (the dragon vs the last dragon). Michael Jai White I think could beat Bruce but in maybe a showcase of skill and techniques would be interesting to watch also
Let's be real there's actually enough of these guys that we could pheasibly have weight classes and then host rematchs followed by catchweight super fights xD
Damn, the First time, you kill all my jokes about the holy sacred church of JKD before I can type them in the video, Keep up the Good Work Coach Dewey.
You need to do more research, Bruce Lee had real fights. There is a difference between prize fighting and real fighting. And Bruce didn't care about how big a man was. Any one who thinks because you're bigger you could win in a real fight is sadly mistaken. NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE YOUR APONNENT.
That is a funny and reasonable question! I agree almost everything aside Jackie Chan. He's a great athlete and stuntman, I assume he's confident with pain, that's a good factor in a fight. I hope for a martial actor tier list now! :D
agreed when you see Jackie in his prime from 20 to 25 yo and his harsh physical training he would hold his own facing Bruce, it would be a difficult fight for both of them
Could any of these people counter Bruce's speed though? Apparently filmmakers had to ask him to slow down his kicks and punches to be able to be recorded; never heard that of anyone else. If that was true, i reckon Bruce Lee could've blitzed in and out of range to take out bigger, heavier opponents. He would turn the fight into a contest of speed; maybe along the lines of "fly like a butterfly sting like a bee" 🤔
Film makers asked EVERYONE to slow down for the cameras. They shot at 24 frames per second on old Fuji 3M film. Moving at normal speed for a punch or a kick doesn’t look anything under those conditions.
Bruce was not invincible, but no one new how good he really was. Bruce had fights through his life and actually have hurt people." It's on record" would if you took the fight out of the ring and made it a street fight would that make a difference. There has been nobody in the the martial art that was quite like Bruce Lee. We can all talk about him and speculate. His martial arts was a way of live and he was inventing new methods to traning.
To be fair the Chuck Norris interview I watched he seemed to be insinuating that Bruce Lee would beat his ass but that might have just been him not wanting to say he would kick a dead man's ass lol
Bruce Lee couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. That's why that's saying was made. It was made for Bozo's like him that never had a real fight in his life. He was just a ballerina
The first few seconds in and you start with the just an actor bull. This has been the narrative for to long. I can’t for the life of me understand how you all who say this don’t see what I see when I see his , speed, flow, technique, and confidence. I train in martial arts. And people who do know what to look for. Many men get in their feeling and say 💩 to make themselves look good. Just think some kids 40 years from now will say he could beat Floyd Mayweather and people during that era will believe him. GTFOH
When you said Chuck would beat Bruce I knew there were problems in your analysis. You place emphasis on “professional experience” rather than knowledge, training, and talent. Guys with speed like Bruce see fights very differently. It’s like QBs with great accuracy who see openings in the defense that they can exploit where other QBs don’t. And to stay on the football analogy, gifted hand speed and kick speed in martial arts is like foot speed in football. It can’t be coached and it changes the game. It’s interesting to me that the most vocal critics of Bruce Lee don’t have hand speed and the most supportive of Bruce Lee among the professional fighting class are guys who knocked a lot of people out. Chuck Norris is on video admitting that he never fought in a street fight in his entire life. Dan Inansonto is on camera stating that Bruce pulled him aside once and singled out Mike Stone & Joe Lewis as real fighters and said to Dan he had no confidence in Chuck as a street fighter compared with them. (With apologies to bad ass Chuck Norris we don’t know that this was Bruce’s final conclusion on Chuck but just that it was at one time purportedly stated) Interesting that you think Chuck would defeat Bruce based on your fight game analytical methodology. I seriously doubt you had much experience in street fights before you started training. In my experience some people are born fighters and only some of them desire to fight for a living. Many professional fighters are low in talent. The champions all have talent, but even then, some have exceptional talent that jumps off the screen….. Roy Jones, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao, Inoue, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Ali, ……. Bruce had that kind of talent. Also, you claim to have read Tao of Jeet Kune Do but I’m doubtful that you comprehended it well because you should have been able to discern that much of what Bruce Lee selected as either developed or adopted techniques are unquestionably effective and much of what he rejected is less than optimal for street fighting. The man could have chosen any weird eclectic combination of styles imaginable and he chose to merge martial arts kicks (as well as Savate kickboxing) with western boxing. How could you even question that this man understood fighting from the perspective of a real fighter ? Professional experience clearly carries advantages into street fights. There’s no question. But nevertheless, professional fighters are just as susceptible to being damaged in a street fight against a talented and trained opponent as any other human on earth. I think you and some others I’ve seen don’t understand that there are people in the world who are highly athletic who also train for street fights. I don’t think Bruce easily defeats any human he faces. But I understand he was highly exceptional compared to all norms. I could see Bruce getting hurt in a fight. But that’s not the same as thinking he was not a formidable opponent because he stopped his martial arts career short of stepping in a boxing ring. You make light of his sparring but Bruce was sparring with karate black belts and in some cases future kickboxers. Remember, Benny the Jet, Joe Lewis, Bob Wall, were all martial artists on the same level as Bruce Lee running in the same circles before they became professional kickboxers. Would you say they weren’t real fighters in that time frame just prior to going full contact ? Bruce was a real fighter who had one level left to go in his training but he had a different destiny. And the world is better for it.
You're obviously pretty ignorant about Lee. None of them can even rival him, but even if he can't beat anyone, he can definitely beat you. Sitting in his hot seat discussing Everest of martial arts Mr. Little Hill :))
That's a pretty honest break down. The two fights i'm most interested in is the one between Donnie Yen and Tony Jaa. I think both of these fights would be super close and the fighter who had the biggest will to win that day, will win. So, yes the will to win is another factor you forgot to mention Ramsey.
Interesting concept. If there actually was a martial arts tournament now between martial arts actors and it was on video I would watch it. I think Bruce could beat Sammo Hung since he was around during Bruce's era. It would be interesting to see him fight Jim Kelly, or Bob Wall during that time as well.
Speak of the devil I found a video game called Shaolin vs Wutang vs the world and it has a ton of actors from the 70's and 80's in a fighting game with their moves, costumes, music, dubbed sound effects that look like the actors you will recognize in marital arts movies. I found it on the PS5.
jim kelly in an interview alluded to the fact bruce would beat him. and told of fights he saw in person that legitimized bruce for him. but he cant mention names apparently ahah.
Have you seen Joe Lewis comments on Bruce and him hitting like a heavy weight. There are other well known Martial artists who comment on how good Bruce was. How about the fact that Bruce had schools with high paying clients before he even made his first movie.
That was simply Lewis's way of saying that Bruce hit hard for his size. But you're taking it far too literally. But even if that were literally true it's still doesn't mean he could TAKE hits like a heavy weight! Lol. The truth of the matter is there's a huge gulf between people that train hard and fight a little and people that train as professionals and fight all the time. Bruce was the former. He would not be able to keep up with the latter.
I think I agree with most of your guesses. Bruce Lee would beat Jackie Chan and Jet Li. JCVD and Steven Seagal just would be too big for him (tbf current Seagal gets out of breath by thinking about stairs. If we revive Bruce it's only fair to let everyone compete in their best shape, so we're talking about early 90s Seagal). Chuck Norris would definitely beat him, especially after meeting the Gracies. Donnie Yen is just more well rounded than Bruce was. I think he'd beat him. Tony Jaa is fascinating, because he's an insanely gifted athlete, but as far as I know, he never competed in any form and he doesn't seem to know much grappling. I think Bruce might have a chance. Imo it's the most compelling match up. He'd probably beat Jacky Wu Jing and Yuen Biao. I think they are on a level with Jackie Chan or Jet Li. Sammo Hung would destroy Bruce Lee! He has the weight advantage and, similar to Donnie Yen, has trained in different combat sports. Dolph Lundgren, Scott Adkins and Michael Jai White would be too big and strong for him. Not a chance! Jason Statham is too athletic and too good on the ground. Bruce would lose. I'll finish with someone he'd probably beat: Iko Uwais.
If we consider tournament in their prime. Final will be MJW and Dolph. Size adv. And Dolph have big competition experience. Scot Adkins isnt so big about 170 pound. Similar size to Statham. But still about 30lbs more than asian actors. As a oponents for bruse we must consider assian actors. There are smaller. And even that prodably win only Tony Jaa. Thai training is close to real fight and there are many sparings.
@@gooru20 MJW is a big dude, but I think Dolph would absolutely destroy him. All that Kyokoshin training...I think MJW would have a hard time hurting him, and we know from Stallone that Dolph can hit like a truck.
It also depends on the conditions they would fight in. Bruce had the conditioning of a marathon runner, plus he was well versed in weapons and sword fighting. With swords and spears in their hands everything would change. You also have to consider that smaller fighters are forced to think better than bigger fighters.
@@yogurt_junior I don't know what Dolph's weight was at his prime, I'm going to guess probably around 235, and probably close to single digit BMI. Anything can happen in a fight, but with a 100 pound weight advantage, and an insane strength and reach advantage, he's winning 95 out of 100. I wouldn't agree with the idea that small fighters have to think better than bigger fighters. There are weight divisions in every type of organized fighting for a reason. Fighters train to fight other guys in their same size bracket. There aren't any lightweight pro fighters out there training to take on heavyweights.
I always liked the story from Chuck Norris about Bruce Lee calling him to ask him to be in a fight scene with him and Chuck jokingly asking him "well, who will win?" and Bruce laughed "me of course, I'm the main character!"
Among martial arts actors, Lundgren is likely the best fighter because of his size and strength advantage, but pound for pound, I would say that Ernie Reyes, Jr. from the original NINJA TURTLES, SURF NINJAS and THE RUNDOWN was better. He fought professionally in Muay Thai and knocked out the ISKA and WKA World Champion in his weight class in a non-tile bout in the third round.
@@DavidHughesKJN So I see that you gave more credit to the person who actually physically accomplished something in fighting. This is why I tell you that. Bruce Lee is the most overrated Non-fighter on the planet
I read Chucks autobiography and he and Bruce did indeed spar. This was before Bruce got into Hollywood. Norris said Bruce was pretty good but didn't know how to kick yet... and that's when Bruce started learning to kick. Apparently the martial arts he originally trained in was hands only.
No this was not before Bruce got into Hollywood. he stated that the sparring was situational and not hard. Bruce already knew how to kick...it was more that Chuck showed him they work and how to set them up.
@@dymitchell its no big deal. Alot of people arent aware of how bad Bruce struggled with his back for years..he wasnt fighting or hard sparring with anyone after that.
I will start this by saying I am huge Bruce fanboy, and he's the reason I started martial arts, he was a man ahead of his time. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Now, that being said I say he can take Jackie, and Jet. Donnie would be super interesting if it stayed standing. On the ground Donnie is a purple belt in BJJ so big advantage there. Standing it goes either way or Donnie wins. JCVD I'm not sure. He has the size advantage. Sagal has a massive size advantage over everyone. If this was done tournament style, the most interesting match up to me would be Chuck Norris vs Tony Jaa. Factoring that everyone would be at their peaks, I lean slightly towards Chuck. I'd also take Chuck over Bruce in a good fight. It would be a standing Karate vs kung Fu fight (like Wonder Boy vs Kevin Holland) but if Chuck closes the distance people maybe not realize that besides being a karate champion he was also a black belt in judo. I am a karateka an as a bigger guy the toughest for me to spar are the smaller faster opponents. If they tag me it won't hurt but they can and have and it's irritating. Could throw you off your rhythm. Always good to spar with a variety of opponents different sizes, shapes, and skillets 🙂. Sidenote, if these fights take place in an IKEA furniture store then Jackie wins them all 😆
Norris was the best point fighter in the 60s. Tony Jaa is no fighter. Norris would have beaten Jaa easily. Of course, you can´t compare them because Norris is 82 years old.
My father always told me that 9 times out of 10 a good big man will beat a good small man. In my youth, I sparred full contact with a new guy in our Kung Fu studio. I squared off with him. He looked fat and slow to me so I thought I would toy with him a little. He hit me square in the chest with a spinning back kick that I'm still looking for. It knocked the air out of several of my ancestors. I went flying into a wood post. I woke up to my Sifu chewing me out saying something about "long foot". He had a heavy Chinese accent, he meant "wrong foot." At the time I was so out of it I kept looking at my feet trying to figure out which one was long. Gotta watch those big guys, they ain't slow. You would have to hit a fire plug like Chuck Norris pretty damn hard to knock him out of the game.
Why do people like you insist on going on comment sections and spouting off these silly fricken stories? None of that happened. You are clearly lying. People dont get koed by a strike to the chest. Thats not how knockouts work in real life. Its just not.
I can't see it with Chuck. I don't want to take anything away from him but when I compare their technique side by side, Bruce's is just more crisp, quicker, more varied, more aggressive and often technically better. He seemed in much better shape and cross trained in way more styles (when Chuck was young). Even when watching their on screen fight, it just felt like Bruce was slowing down every time Chuck landed, as if he was saying "go on hit me" they also moved within a lot of the same circles and the way they all talked about Bruce, real masters of the day, suggested he was really that good. Chuck has fighting experience and it's true that would've taught him timing and confidence but the style was very point focused, like they were playing tag with their foot. I feel like if Bruce got inside and started throwing haymakers at Chuck, he'd be quickly overwhelmed. JCVD would perhaps be more interesting if his record is true because he supposedly won many fights by KO.
That's all great dude, but Chuck Norris actually has a competitive fighting record. He was a Karate middleweight world champion, it doesnt matter what you think about their exhibition or choreograph techniques. One guy was an elite fighter and the other one has no professional fighting record.
@@retwerts I used to do a lot of points fighting when I was young. Then the first time some thug on the street went for me it was a rude awakening and felt like a completely different ball game. The same when I tried more full contact sports. Bruce definitely trained for full contact and realism even if he didn't compete. Nothing about the footage from Chuck's fights gives me the impression it'd be very effective in the real thing. I've seen far too many seasoned karate points fighters get schooled by boxers with a few month's experience just because they used to going all out in sparring.
@@catocall7323 depends on the style of karate and the organisation. Chuck did do points fighting where one would land, the flag goes up, they restart. Also "bare-knuckle" only in that there are no gloves but punches to the face are stopped before making contact. Joe Lewis introduced continuous full contact after training with Bruce because he wanted something more true to real life fighting.
The story I've heard about Chuck and Bruce was that they had met earlier and perhaps trained with each other. When Bruce needed a main opponent in his next movie he phoned Chuck and asked him. Chuck answered "So kid, how do you figure that fight will go?" to which Bruce answered "Oh, I'm playing the hero in this film, so I win."
Man I stg those old heads just understood fiction better xD Stan Lee said the same damn thing
Bruce Lee was just a Batgirl or cat girl of the past. He would have played those roles perfectly today
He upstaged both Adam West and Burt Ward when guest starring as Kato in an episode of TV Batman
@@yogurt_junior That was easy Bruce knew some moves . West and Ward were stiffs.
Chuck Norris could never call Bruce "kid" they were both born in 1940.
“If I tell you I am good, you will say I am bragging.But if I tell you I am no good, you will know that I am lying “.-Bruce Lee.
"Everyone's first fight sucks" I smiled because that's totally true, my first competition was a karate point fight, I was 15, my opponent was 17, I was white belt, he was a brown belt, my guard was wider than old school boxing stance and the guy realised (probably because all his kicks were getting in easy) and he KO'ed me with an spinning hook kick (ushiro ura mawashi) straight to the nose and... sleep, I dreamed of Speedy Gonzales 😁
You absolutely took me back to the past right now, on my first karate competition I went will all my friends, back then all around 11 years of age, with our white and yellow and whatever color of the rainbow belts to the mat I thought we were gonna compete, just for me alone to be dragged away out of the 9-11 bracket, and thrown in the 12-15 one since I was 2 days 12 already and similar to you, my first fight was a 15yo brown belt. I spend the whole fight just covering my face, the idea of offensive never crossed my mind even though in a point match it wouldnt be such a bad one, altough looking back a lot of kids won their fight by just making the other kid cry, and in a similar fashion I was dragged out crying after the bigger kid beat the crap out of my arms.
@@saawysorenson4585 I didn't have a chance to cry 😅😂😂😂 (insert windows shut down sound)
Not everyone's xD I've seen some guys open up like goddamn experts. My first fight sucked and that's alright but it certainly isn't everyone xD
Um...you realize that no one dreams when kaoed right? it's just blank and then your back in whatever position you were left in remembering you were in the middle of a fight...nice try
Why would they put you... a white belt with a brown belt?
"I’m not in this world to live up to your expectations and you’re not in this world to live up to mine." - Bruce Lee
Who cares he was a fake
Greeks invented all the sayings. Asians just copied off of Greeks. Just like the world. Everyone wants to be a Greek.
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed your existence is fake
@@cyborgchicken3502 I would make you straight. Fact!
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedbeing a martial artist doesn’t make you a fake. He just wasn’t a fighter. He advocated for the healthy lifestyle and discipline martial arts can bring. He never advocated for getting into fights. He was a martial artist and an actor. Not a fighter. So again, that doesn’t make him a fake.
When you say someone can beat Jackie Chan, do you mean inside a fully stocked warehouse or in a boxing ring?
And also watch the interview with Joe Lewis stating how much better of a fighter that he became after training with Bruce Lee how many professional championships Joe Louis won after that Joe was extremely impressed with Bruce Lee's methods of fighting
True but Joe stated that Bruce wasnt a fighter. When I trained with Joe he was still teaching things Bruce taught him. Chuck never did that..
@@cuzz63 you trained with Joe Lewis? What else did he tell about bruce lee? How good was bruce lee?
Joe Lewis was a real hard man. Full contact world Karate champ. Chuck was not a full contact Karate champion. Joe would have maimed Bruce. I was a Bruce Lee fanatic when I was a kid. It hurts but it is true to say that the myth is powerful, the reality humbling.
They never spared , they only did a few drills , he even mentions that Bruce wasnt the superhuman everyone believed to and he did had flaws in his fighting method but he did admit he was quick
@@arjunna2364this guy is full of shit. A strange one for sure. You will see his posts on many Bruce Lee related videos.
He seems to know some things about Bruce, but not others. If you question him enough about Bruce, he will not respond because he doesn’t know wtf he is talking about.
He’s a Bruce Lee hater as well.
Most of his posts are negative and putting Bruce down.
He just said his heaviest weight was between 1950-1955 so he was his heaviest between 10 and 15 years old? 🤣 the guys an idiot.
I gotta say, Jackie Chan is underrated here. I have no idea how much real fight experience he has, but we know he's pretty familiar with pain and is very athletic. He's suffered a lot of injuries all over his body and can continue filming. He can probably take a punch pretty well.
Add to that the fact that his stunt team actually throw fairly hard during the fight scenes.
ask Benny the Jett , his interview about jackie was very telling
He talked about being punched by Bruce lee.
He knew that it was not full power.
Maybe Bruce Lee could beat Jackie Chan, but he couldn't kill him!
I mean, if he didn't die after all his failed stunts, the man is immortal! XD
True, true.
I was thinking this comment in my head but i didnt know how to phrase it
Bruce Lee would win but Jackie Chan would easily survive lol that guy got a hole in his skull
You must didn’t read his books, he clearly said he’s a martial artist and created a martial arts form! So why aren’t you expanding your studies on the topic if you’re speaking on it. He’s not just a “marital arts actor” and ge didn’t say he was “just” that either. You can have your opinion but don’t warp the facts sir.
Jean Claude Van Damme actually has a kickboxing background too. There even is a win/loss list on his wikipedia page.
@Trevor James Well you did make an compelling argument. I didn't really take into consideration the citations, I just came across and took them at face value. Anyway, I do still believe though, that prime Van Damme wasn't just an actor but a legit Martial Artist, or at the very least somebody who could hold his own in a real fight. Thank you still for clarifying though.
@@Gamerfan2000 agreed, i think a prime van damme would beat a prime bruce lee
@@Gamerfan2000 Back in Europe during that time period, even the light contact matches were called “kickboxing”. It’s been pretty well documented that JCVD never did any full contact kickboxing matches and this was even brought up in a court case between Frank Dux and JCVD and neither he or his legal team disputed that. Since Ramsey brought up the Viking Samurai site, he did a video addressing this and despite him being a HUGE fan of JCVD, his video addresses that JCVD only did point sparring and that it was called “kickboxing” in Europe during that era (though he did make point sparring sound like it was tougher than it was, despite the fact that he criticized guys like Michael Jai White for doing the same).
JCVD has a legitimate second degree black belt in Shotokan. He has done at least some cross training in, though no competition in Kickboxing. He is athletic and flexible and in good physical shape. He does have pretty decent experience in point sparring and overall good form in his kicking.
I extensively covered Van Damme's fights here: ruclips.net/video/a8A5tYUTt1s/видео.html
To be fair, according to Jeff Langton in the viking samurai interview, the karate point fighting back then was not like modern point fighting, as they'd go full contact and could win by knock out as well as by points.
I love how real you are in this type of videos. Bruce Lee was an amazing person on so many levels, no doubt. That doesn't make him invincible though.
He wasn't amazing and fighting because if he was he would be doing it on a professional level to prove himself. So the one thing that he wanted us to believe he was amazing and he wasn't. He was just a ballerina
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed Oh, to imagine I would find you again in another channel... Harry buddy, I think you have something against Asians, yes?
@@deedumeday518 honestly, I don't give a flying s*** what you think or what anyone thinks. If I did I wouldn't be on the internet.
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed that's a good mindset to have, especially when you are spewing your bullshit everywhere, God of Sneed
@@deedumeday518 everything I say is true . Not one word is lies. You are the one that just admitted to harassing me.
Many times before.
If what I say is bul you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Now go F yourself 😊👍
And stop hiding your comments.
Regardless of how skilled Bruce Lee may or may not have been he was absolutely tiny. Size is a huge advantage.
I always wonder why do ppl only class Bruce at only 135? It was recorded that he did max out at 170lbs.? I'd say 170 is a good mid weight; i.e. Gergoe St Pierre in his competition is 170. I wouldn't call him tiny.
@@gatorcroc7212 i would be super interested in your sources man
I agree completely. I have respect for Lee - as he was, ya know? He had a very basic grasp of grappling (especially ground fighting), and was of below average size… though he had excellent conditioning and his walking weight was lean muscle. Any well-rounded, natural 170+ MMA practitioner would just maul the dude. Hell, Lee knew these things & was actively improving his grapple game. That drive to better himself and his (imho) cohesive philosophy are why I respect Bruce Lee, more than his fighting prowess.
@@antonioyeats2149 His highest weight was 160 , lowest 125 in enter the dragon .
Correct , but you can have size and can’t fight a lick.
Thanks so much for answering my question, coach!!!! Literally the best birthday present I got this year! :D :D :D
It seems like you had just as much fun making the video as I had watching it. What a great cherry on top it would be if it helped with those evil RUclips bots putting you down lately!
When you said “Steven Seagal could eat…” I really expected you to finish with “Bruce.”
Lol. Steven seagal is a joke. He can't even do a proper Swift move in movies and how is he gonna do it in real life?
Did you guys see the interview where Georges St-Pierre talked about using several concepts and techniques he learned from Bruce Lee? The video's title is "GSP talks explains how karate and Bruce Lee help his wrestling".
Anderson Silva also, has mentioned using Bruce's techniques several times!
Both GSP and Silva would comfortably wipe the floor with Bruce Lee.
@@RRTNZ Of course they would, they both have a size advantage and are more skilled, but they both use things from Bruce Lee and I'm simply pointing that fact out...calm down
look, many people started doing Martial Arts because of films with Bruce, it is a fact. Did Anderson Silva use BL techniques? To win his fights, he was using MT, BJJ rather than WC or JKD.
Just a bunch of nonsense.
Bruce Lee was a great conceptual martial artist and a visionary for his era. He was also inducted into the BLACK BELT Hall Of Fame as the Instructor Of the Year for 1972.
Lee made some legitimate contributions in terms of philosophy on the martial arts, though there were others during his era and even before him that took it much further and in greater depth. He did have the largest public platform for this though.
Lee also did make some contributions in terms of technical advances that are still used by elite fighters and coaches today. He was the first to adapt the weapon first concept from fencing into punching with his non-telegraphic lead straight or what Jhoon Rhee and his student Muhammad Ali called the “accupunch.” He also made great strides in the advancement of the use of set point control in stand up striking.
Joe Lewis, who lived many decades longer than Lee took these concepts much further and shared with the next generation of fighters and coaches and obviously others took the ball and ran with it, but much of the early ground work was set up by Lee’s early work. Lewis said of Lee that he “was a great teacher and an actor, not a fighter.”
Many people who actually have a real fighting background are so annoyed by the cult of Bruce Lee fans and their obnoxious worship of their mythical superhuman character, that they don’t give the actual man the credit that he deserves. They annoy me too, but Lee didn’t create the Bruceploitation industry and all of it’s fan fiction.
I know he doesn't count, but Randall "Tex" Cobb is a boxer/kickboxer turned actor. He has a win vs Leon Spinks, and losses to Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton. So he was probably the most dangerous actor in Hollywood.
Excellent; Randall " Tex" Cobb was truly formidable; he was a professional boxer with a really pretty good pro record.
He also appeared in the Chuck Norris show "Walker Texas Ranger" and I laughed at the thought that he would lose against Chuck when in reality he would have won Tex Cobb clearly !!!!!
sorry he was a martial artist first and utilized his skills to become an actor, correction lee didn't want to be called a star because it is not tangible, he wanted to be evaluated based on his acting skills based on the interviewer's question, he viewed himself a martial artist first
People would be shocked to see any of these actors fight. Remember UFC 1? All of those black belt level martial artist and the fights mostly looked like school yard fights with grown men. No dim mak, no jump spin crescent kicks, no backflips, just wild windmill punches and basic ground and pound.
Seriously though, I think it’s important to assume each fighter gets to train for the fight. I’m talking about a full camp. In that scenario you nailed it on size(Norris,Van Damme, Yen, Seagal) deciding the outcome. Bruce said that all other things being equal,a good big man beats a good little man every time. The guys that are closer to Bruce’s size all get housed with Jaa giving Lee the most trouble because of his style and apparent willingness to take a lot of damage. Possible to say that for Chan as well but he’s said plenty of times that Lee would have easily beaten him. It’s all speculation tho because there is still the story about Sammo challenging Bruce because he didn’t like the way his “Enter the Dragon “ scene made him look. Jackie said Sammo wouldn’t take off his sunglasses for days afterwards and Sammo was a lot bigger than Bruce. I’m inclined to think Bruce Lee’s training ethic would give him an edge in his weight class and his tricky thoughtful style could give him an edge over anyone in da streets. Be safe
I believe Donnie would give Bruce a run for his money as well. One of the few fighters on this list that includes some ground and pound.
I heard a lot of martial art champions from his era and they claim he could beat them all no matter what size they were. The problem with people in today's world they believe size matters they all believe that. That creates limitations. If you believe size matters then it does. I'm surprised that people talk about Bruce lee not being a fighter. That is not entirely true. He was not a professional. Big difference. The claims have been made how he beat them in all on sparring no matter how big they were.sparring does matter. If you can't hit him in sparring. Why would it be different in a real fight. Joe louis watch his videos. Watch Chuck norris videos. Bruce was untouchable. Plus he knew how to harness more power. Then most people. This guy didn:t do enough research. He did some.
@@thereviewartistrrp5493 they sleepin on Bruce Lee...they can't believe that such a small guy defied the fhysics of the human body...
@@itubecollection1623 Thank you. Im surprised at how many people discredit him for being small but he was special.
@@thereviewartistrrp5493
Dude, size ABSOLUTELY matters, it's basic physics. I don't care how well trained you are, if you are half the size of Francis Ngannou, what exactly are you going to do to him? The power of belief doesn't change that. Also, not being able to hit him? Do you understand how every fight plays out? If you want to hit me you are going to be in range for me to hit you back, unless you have a significant reach advantage. If you don't, and I'm bigger than you, I can strike you even when you retreat. Speed doesn't somehow magically protect you from being hit unless you just run away. Many strikes NEED to be checked precisely because you cannot just avoid them if you are in range.
People claim that he could beat them out of respect, particularly post-humous respect now. It's not an indication of anything, and it doesn't replace real-world evidence. What we do know is Gene Labell carried Bruce around like a child when he challenged him. What does that demonstrate? That a bigger, stronger Judoka could EASILY manhandle Bruce, and you want to tell me a guy the same size and weight as him could have done that in the same way?
Talking about doing research while blurting such blatant BS is what's ironic.
No Ramsey, Bruce Lee could kick so fast he would destroy Seagal with shockwaves alone.
Bruce is freakishly fast so he can definitely get his punches in. But not sure if he's used to getting hit and that changes the game significantly. Like how would he react, how's his durability, will his chin hold up... etc.
We should also mention that we have only seen his speed in demos and movie scenes. Would he still be quick in actual combat?
@@GDCDGCnah it was all show right? All fake? 🤦♂️ somehow he just “acted” fast. 🤣
These kind of questions and debates about Bruce have been going on for years. NO BODY knows the answer to who would win in a real fight.
How could you really know. It is just different people's opinions nothing more.
My opinion he was for real. Your opinion something different.
Bruce Lee was the founder of Jeet Kune Do, a hybrid martial arts philosophy drawing from different combat disciplines that is often credited with paving the way for modern mixed martial arts (MMA). Lee is considered by critics, media, and other martial artists to be the most influential martial artist of all time and a pop culture icon of the 20th century. Bruce Lee's early martial arts experience included Wing Chun (trained under Yip Man), tai chi, boxing (winning a Hong Kong boxing tournament), and apparently frequent street fighting (neighbourhood and rooftop fights). In 1959, Lee moved to Seattle. In 1961, he enrolled in the University of Washington.[8] It was during this time in the United States that he began considering making money by teaching martial arts. He opened his first martial arts school, operated out of home in Seattle. After later adding a second school in Oakland, California, he once drew significant attention at the 1964 Long Beach International Karate Championships of California by making demonstrations and speaking. He subsequently moved to Los Angeles to teach, where his students included Chuck Norris, Sharon Tate, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. In the 1970s, his Hong Kong and Hollywood-produced films elevated the Hong Kong martial arts films to a new level of popularity and acclaim, sparking a surge of Western interest in Chinese martial arts. The direction and tone of his films dramatically influenced and changed martial arts and martial arts films worldwide. Lee became an iconic figure known throughout the world, particularly among the Chinese, based upon his portrayal of Chinese nationalism in his films, and among Asian Americans for defying Asian stereotypes.[12] Having initially learnt Wing Chun, tai chi, boxing, and street fighting, he combined them with other influences from various sources into the spirit of his personal martial arts philosophy, which he dubbed Jeet Kune Do (The Way of the Intercepting Fist). Since his death, Lee has continued to be a prominent influence on modern combat sports, including judo, karate, mixed martial arts, and boxing, as well as modern popular culture, including film, television, comics, animation, and video games. Time named Lee one of the 100 most important people of the 20th century.
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Bruce Lee as a baby with his parents, Grace Ho and Lee Hoi-chuen
Bruce Lee's birth name was Lee Jun-fan. His father Lee Hoi-chuen was a famous Cantonese opera singer based in Hong Kong. His mother Grace Ho was born in Shanghai, and she was of Eurasian ancestry.[14] In December 1939, his parents traveled to California
Chuck vs Bruce ABSOLUTELY would've been one sided. Norris has black belts in Kyokushin, Judo, BJJ, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, and Shito Ryu. He got the BJJ black belt much more recently of course, long after Bruce was dead, but Chuck was already mixing his martial arts many years before Bruce started to formulate Jeet Kune Do, and that happened only a handful of years before his unfortunate death. And Chuck was about 25 pounds heavier in addition to his pro sport karate background. He was simply a larger, more experienced, and more knowledgeable man. Bruce's grappling was rudimentary at best; trying to mess with a larger, experienced Judoka who can also kick you in the face is a big ask.
Judo black belt?
@@slee2695 Yes. Norris had a brown belt in Judo by the time he returned home from the Vietnam War and then continued to study, including under Judo Gene LeBell.
Chuck Norris never had a real fight
@keroncelestine he learned to fight while on the literal battlefield. Chuck is far more legitimate fighter than Bruce Lee, the cha cha king.
@@atprofessional5714But, according to Chuck, he probably would have lost a contest with Lee. Lee's strength and speed were unparalleled.
I've tried to think alot about this subject from a rational standpoint. There is no doubt that Bruce was very capable martial artist. He did have real traditional training and fight experience. He then evolved some old styles into technique that MMA uses today. I would say, if you threw him in the mix without any warning of MMA based on just his movie experience, he would lose. But...if you have him some time to prepare for the fights, and he gained fight experience in the octagon, he could probably top his weight class. He would be competitive.
He had fight experience he started with many of the top martial artist of his time. Just not professionally. No one could touch him in his prime. No matter how big they were. He developed a technique so he could harness a lot more power. Plus he didn't telegraph his punches. Plus he was the fastest man that ever lived. Their is plenty of testimonies. Church out Joe Louis videos a heavy weight martial art champion. He learned from him. He teaches about how Bruce became so fast and powerful. Plus you can't hit bruce from what their saying and if you can't hit someone let alone clean. How you gonna knock him out? Size only matters if the skill level is the same. But that is an illusion. There is no such thing as equal skill. Bruce lee knew way too much. Why do you think he train with Chuck Norris. To get better. He was different. Another example is Rocky Marciano. 190 pound heavy 5-11 short arms. Undefeated. One of the biggest hitters of his time. Granite chin and was very slippery and smart. People now days discredit him. Old school fighters were by far tougher and had way more endurance. They use to battle it out for 30 rounds. Rocky in his prime would destroy anthony joshua. Rocky would destroy andy ruiz. I even think he might be able to beat Wilder. I lean more towards tyson fury winning but that is only because of his skill and size. Watch his fight. He was amazing. Bruce studied everything from the beginning of time. People in modern times act like the past doesn't exist. Do actually their skill level has suffered because of it. Bruce lee cherry picked. He only used what he need. He also could grabble. Boone ever talk about that. In olden times they didn't believe that size matters like they do today. That's all anybody ever talks about. Bruce lee was like hitting a piece of metal. Not these bloated up fighters of today. He had 2 percent body fat. Just rock. Size didn't matter for him.
This is based on fuckin nothing...
@@thereviewartistrrp5493 spoken like a true fanboy. There are mixed things said by the other martial artists. Joe Le Lewis for example, thought Bruce was fast and powerful but didn't know if he could take a punch. Your assertion that Hitting Bruce was like hitting a piece of metal is purely fanboy wishful thinking with no proof to back it up. Joe also said Bruce was not a fighter, but a great teacher. There have been several guys on these BL threads that knew Joe personally, and they say Joe thought he would have beaten Bruce in a real fight. He also says he never sparred with Bruce nor seen him spar.
Chuck norris Gene Le BEll, Bob Wall and even Dan Inosanto have mixed things to say that do not fit your superhuman narrative. The ones that do say nothing but positive accounts of Bruce ,e.g. Jim Kelly, give no details to back up their assertion.
None of us know the truth as Bruce has no proven fights. Without those we can only speculate.
@@stevo62ful I'm not a fan boy. I just bruce willis is adaptable. Also he was like 2 percent body fat. He created his own martial art. Don't you think he would learn to adapt. Your just hating
@@thereviewartistrrp5493 I like Bruce but I don't let my emotions get in the way of facts.
your wildest claim is that hitting Bruce is like hitting a piece of metal. Even if all the other claims are true, his achilles heel would be getting hit. Let's say a hard hitter like George Foreman struck Bruce or Andre the Giant, who is likely to be hurt the most ?
He was fast sure but there are others that may be faster. In the meaningless Vic Moore speed test he is throwing punches at thin air as they were short of hitting Vic. Thomas Hearns threw a right cross that demolished Roberto Duran that looked at least as fast, and was thrown with power not flicking into thin air. I know it hurts you over zealous fans but the cold hard fact is that Bruce is unproven as a fighter. I was disappointed too when I learned this, but it is what it is.
There is a reason weight classes were created in sport.
Man, I misread the title and thought you meant what if he fought all of them AT ONCE. That would make for a much shorter video, I guess.
Would also be cool though xD
If it were Chuck Norris versus all of them, it would still be unfair.
They wouldn't stand a chance.
Don't know if Dolph Lundgren counts, he was more of a martial artist in real life then on film. Being a serious kyokushin fighter and huge I guess that wouldn't even be fair.
I was curious to see if someone would mention Dolph. I think he would beat just about every other martial arts actor.
was just about to comment on this. agree that dolph beats all martial arts actors mentioned above. size, actual competition, european champ if i'm not mistaken
People get mad if you say that Bruce Lee couldn't beat Muhammad Ali with one hand and his eye closed.
Hi Ramsey, I have a question about performance anxiety. Is there a crossover between different types of performances? For example, if someone had a decent amount of experience performing live music, but had never competed in a combat sports setting, or vice versa, would their experience performing in front of people in one discipline translate to the other? I’m curious to hear your opinion as someone who is both a musician and a combat sports athlete.
Cheers from Australia 🙂
I was worried where this was comment was going after reading the first sentence. :)
It won’t make you worse.
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"EVERYONE'S FIRST FIGHT SUCKS" My first boxing match I showed heart and tenacity, but I also lacked self-awareness(dropped guard, missteps, overreaching) and I panicked a bit. Second match I did everything right till about the last round when I let it all out too soon and opponent caught me. 3rd match I became a machine, and that's when I finally figured out what I wanted to do with my life.
This would actually be very interesting to watch! lmao
In their Prime, my List would be: 1.) Chuck Norris, 2.) Jean Claude Van Damme, 3.) Jackie Chan, 4.) Donnie Yen, not sure the rest.
Dolph Lundgren would probably win. Huge guy, experienced Kyokushin black belt
Mark Dacascos is a premium martial artist.
in his prime he won a lot of gold medals
That bing was super loud for the video Ramsey. I actually thought something bad was happening to my house like a fire alarm was about to go off.
The what now?
Ramsey, you have the courage to speak the truth. Bruce Lee had no interest in excelling as a sports competitor. He devoted himself to self defense techniques and, in that regard, he claimed his most dangerous technique was his finger jabs to the eyes. Because, after he blinds you, the rest of the fighting will go his way. He appeared fast and technically skilled so eye gouging would be a very good way to defeat his opponents...myself included.
He really doesn't,, he's just upset that he doesn't have natural coordination and talent, and people that don't have that natural talent get really mad at someone that does, because people like that no matter how much you practice by just sheer reflexes they can beat you. This has nothing to do with fighting Gary Elms, it has to do with the countless fights Bruce was in as said by family members for years of his upbringing.
@@counterstrike89 Two silly fanboys here. you and the other retard Axel stone. you both have something in common, which is that neither of you can name a high level fighter that admitted to losing a full on fight to Bruce.
Dude Bruce would have beat Chuck Jim Kelly, Mike Stone,Joe Lewis all said Bruce kick the dog out of Chuck.
What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
Chuck is such a gracious and honorable man that the world still believes that Bruce could beat him.
Because Bruce could. Simple and plain.
Then why was he Bruce lee's student,if he could beat him.
@@garyconner6151 I could have said Chuck BEAT him on MULTIPLE occasions but it won't matter to you.
You'll believe what you want.
Bruce was not by far the baddest man on the planet at that time.
@@garyconner6151 Why was Mike Tyson training with Cus who he could've easily killed. Being a good instructor doesn't necessarily translate to being an amazing fighter.
@@garyconner6151Chuck was bigger and had way more experience. CHuck beats Bruce.
I honestly believe that Bruce Lee could beat Frank Dux.
But then again, Frank 'The Universal Dominator' Dux has also defeated everyone that's ever looked at him funny AND unfunny, won an intergalactic tournament, and survived a 3-man deathmatch against Barney Google and Optimus Prime. So I'm not really sure who could beat Bruce...
Dude, Bruce wasn't just a "martial arts actor" he studied multiple disciplines in real life and blended the best of them to produce his own called Jeet Kun do.
W-We know but 1:43 is a real thing bro
Yeah, but how many time did he test his skills against another professional fighter? Sorry man, i know a lot of people who mastered all the Katas, back flips and can do the most visually impressive stuff, but will pass out with a single punch.
Martial Arts movie actors that would beat Bruce Lee (if hypothetically same age in same era) : Olivier Gruner (also real world champion fighter), Benny Urquidez (also real fighter), Gary Daniels (also real fighter), Gene LeBell (Judo master), Cyrill Raffaelli (IKFF combat world cup winner), Marko Zaror (size), Michael Jai White (size), Joe Lewis (kickboxer and actor), Scott Adkins (PKA Kickboxing instructor), Jean-Claude Van Damme (Belgian Kickboxer and competitive Karateka), ...
And as we all know, Jeet Kun Do is found at top level mma all the time and rules the cage fight... that's what's happening right?
Jet Lee would win 2.
If you check with those martial artists who fought with Bruce Lee, you will know how invincible he was.
Check with former Muhammad Ali body guard. He had fought with many top karate fighters including Chuck Norris(he was Bruce student), .Many denied losing to him to save face.
When he was in the States he challenged many dojo instructors and beat them.
Check it out.
Think all of them are good 👍🏻 but Bruce Lee is a legend, Worldwide !
In a street fight I would go with Lee-he have speed/strength and killer instinct !
When it is real that he dominated Joe Lewis in a sparring, then he would be able to do that to all of this Actor/ fighters.
He was „Billy the Kid“ of martial arts, that fought extras that challenged him in the film set !
He believed in himself and his abilities, without preparing like the pros, weeks or months !
With trainers, analyses their opponents like a doctor 👨⚕️
Thinks he says, to beat me you must kill me !
He was a warrior a samurai, he was real deal !
All other mens are good fighters, but Lee was like a Cobra - dangerous !
He was the brightest Star in firmament !
To K.O a person don’t needs much, you can train all your body, but not the head and jaw !
One kick in the head it’s over- think the sparring from Ramsey with his student, one second absence-K.O illustrate this very well !
@@nostradamus522 Lee was gay
@@davidpineda9160 Did you sleep with him cutie how do you know?? 😂. I am an undefeated amateur boxer but have utmost respect for Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris these guys will remain legends forever. A real martial artist irrespective of his style would never speak shit about someone like Bruce.
@@aayushmanawasthi9195 you yourself could beat up that fraud if the amateur boxer thing is not bullshit
LOL. Another retarded fanboy 🤣🤣 What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ??
BRUCE IS DEAD AND CANT PROTECT HIMSELF AGAINST THIS BULLSHIT HAVE RESPECT
Keep your foul language off my channel you potty mouth. Bruce doesn’t need your protection.
I think Joe Lewis said in an interview he sparred with Bruce Lee and said he was good and hit hard like a pro but correct me if I'm wrong
Joe did say Bruce was fast and hit like a heavyweight, I assume he meant from his time training with Bruce as he also said, they never sparred
They sparred, although it wasn’t under good conditions. It was because Joe hurt one of Bruce’s students, Herb Jackson, this pissed Bruce off so he told Joe to stay a bit longer, Bruce put on the gloves and played .with him for about a minute. Joe couldn’t do anything.
Ted Wong, Kareem Jabber and Herb Jackson were there and all 3 have confirmed this.
If you want more insight into what really went on back then pick up wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee by John Little. Very informative book.
@@axelstone3131 yea but I’m talking about an interview I saw where he said they sparred just working out together
@@Metaltrippin2 like I said. A lot of people changed their story when Bruce wasn’t around to call them out.
Watch John Little’s interview with the Kung Fu Genius. You will learn a lot.
The one you ought to watch is called Bruce Lee’s real fights
@@axelstone3131 It tells you retarded fanboys what you want to hear
Bruce Lee vs. Ed O'Neil
Let's rock.
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I think if we had a time machine to bring him to modern times and he trained in mma with good coaching he'd have the attributes to do well in his weight class maybe even become a champion.
To add to my own comment, in the lack of recorded evidence I think we should definitely consider the testimonies of people who knew him, worked with him and trained with him and look at their accounts. People such as Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis trained with him and talk about his pound for pound strength, his speed and technique. The main conclusion I get is that 1. he was ahead of his time in regards to his training method, 2. he was capable enough that other martial artists wanted to train with him, including world champions. 3. he had the attributes of a fighter physically and mentally, especially in his work ethic.
You cant so who could beat who till they fight in my opinion im 185Lbs mostly muscle and would attempt to fight Bruce Lee
Of the Asian Fighters, I think Prime Jackie Chan would beat all the others. Including Bruce Lee. Chan went through the most rigorous training regimes that would count as torture by todays standards. He also did his own stunts and actually takes hits in fight scenes. (Not all, obviously, but still.) Bruce Lee I respect but he is overrated to me.
Jackie Chan even said Bruce Lee would beat him because he is so fast and powerful
In Jackie Chan’s book “I Am Jackie Chan” he describes how his brutal training, including the martial arts instruction, was in service to a potential career in Chinese opera, which was basically a stuntperson job. Although he was in street fights that he won, he acknowledged his limitations as a fighter.
@@DrezzyEFTP humility is a doctrine of martial arts masters.
Jackie was far more skilled and versatile than Bruce. Bruce is so famous for his innovation in martial arts.
@@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451 like I just told someone else about another subject, people would rather love a lie than to hear the truth.
Just imagine Jackie's pain tollerance XD
My wife's dad was at school with Bruce (and Jimi Hendrix as it happens) at Garfield/Franklin here in Seattle. They weren't best buddies or anything, but what he said, was that Bruce was a pretty cool guy, was fast, liked to demonstrate this or that thing, but he said absolutely nothing about him getting into fights all the time, or anything like that. He made him sound like just a pretty cool, yet normal-ish guy. For whatever this is worth.
I might be wrong but I think Hendrix and Bruce shared the same birthday (27th Nov)
I don't think Segal would beat him. Segal can't kick or punch, he needs to get a hold of him. Bruce's kicks were just too fast and powerful. Bruce would just keep Segal at distance using his kicks as jabs. And even though Segal has a size advantage, I still think Bruce was stronger. Joe Lewis said Bruce hit like a heavyweight. Bruce's body was like a coiled spring, Segal's body like play dough. Even in his prime, Segal has very little muscularity, he was soft. I think a guy like Michael Jai White would be a tougher opponent.
He has the size advantage combined with speed and power. And are we talking about a rules based fight or a no rules street fight? With no rules, Bruce would have a better chance in general. I think Bruce's speed was his greatest asset. None of the guys mentioned are his equal in that department.
Honestly out of the whole batch Steven Seagal is the worst. He's just 100% fakery. I'm pretty sure any random guy off the street within 6 inches of his height, and 80 lbs of his weight could beat his ass.
They did drills not actual sparing , a few years the same Lewis kind of gets back to reality , you have to understand nobody wants to talk trash about a guy like Bruce Lee.
Look at what happened to Jay White ,despite having an ego ,White actually has the experience and size to beat up Bruce Lee but fans wont see it cuz White has an "ego"
what is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
Bruce would have steamrolled them all. He was extraordinary and he literally WAS TEACHING new things to those legends. Bruce was out of this world
I'm 5'8". 180 lbs is my high school weight and I was fit and reasonably muscular. As an adult, 200, trained is fit. I seem to be heavier or more solid than others my height that consider 180 as heavy/fat/ out of shape. I dunno. But my 5'5" Chinese Kung Fu master can hit me so hard that I felt it thru my body and started hurting more [internally] 2 days later, than when I was hit. Theres def a element here being missed by the emphasis on size/weight/ power delivery. Dan inosanto said Bruce Lee had deceptively unbelievable power for a guy you would write off as a small. My master was the same. I saw him hit and school 6 ft guys. I'm gonna say there's an underestimation here. Lee got to a level of fitness where he would hit the heavy bag 1000 times a day, every day. He had king Fu schools where he sparred with students twice his size, all the time.
@Fredrick Frederickson i know what you mean. id prob be bruce lee ripped at 160. never been there. haha, but at 180 i was pulling skin off my upper body and had 'enough' fat on my belly. gotta get there again. so the gym bros at 210, 220, are probe 20 lbs heavier than burce lee in muscle? he couldve punch thru an extra 20 lbs of muscle and 30 lbs of fat. And the head is the head, no matter how large you are (unless you necked out in traps like the dude in the netflix 'killer sally' Ray McNeil). Id say height would be bruce lee's biggest disadvantage, not weight. fighting a 6'2" +++ guy, Lee would have to resort to ball shots, skin twisting, finger breaking, all tactics illegal in MMA.
Bruce was training 25 to 30 hours a week. Thousands of reps per week. Finger jabs, punches, kicks, body mechanics, footwork etc.
He trained with anyone of any size from any background. He has many full contact sparring matches and they weren’t nobodies either.
Joey Orbillo, Hayward Nishioka, Joe Lewis. Be beat Chuck Norris behind Closed doors, although you will never hear Chuck Norris talk about this. It was kept on the down low by many people, including Bruce.
Check out John Little’s interviews on the Kung fu genius channel. Very very informative stuff.
He also has a recent book that just came out called wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee
It’s throughly researched and well documented. Definitely worth reading.
As a Swede i have to bring up Dolph Lundgren.
He'd take out all the other actors.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y most certainly, but maybe except for Michael Jay White. I am not saying MJW would win, but it would be hotly contested.
@@ahmadhasan8355 Yes, I forgot about MJW
Hope you do another break down video of DK yo. Lol vs Manny. Last one was funny
I think you underestimate Jackie Chan. The more I learn, the more credit I give. Yeah, he's overwhelmingly a performer vs fighter, but the insane training he was subjected to, his overall physicality, complete desentization to danger, ability to soak damage, etc., would give him a huge advantage over the average martial artist or even less experienced fighter, Bruce Lee included. Bruce would be nervous, especially since his career was so dependent on his image.
I was thinking this myself. Jackie Chan has taken some real injuries and kept going with his work. I probably outweigh Chan by 2x, but I really wouldn't want to be in a fight with a guy who stands up and says "let's do another take" with a broken wrist or hand or ankle.
Jackie Chan is the new Bruce Lee. Can you consider him a fighter? The answer is no. They're just actors or I'll just call them. Ballerinas
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed I can't speak to his fighting ability, and if it turns out that all of the injuries and his going on is just PR, then I'll recant. I'm going off the same criteria that I would use for the guy in my old Army unit that just took insane injuries and kept marching, or digging, or whatever. (The one I really remember is when he smashed his shin in with a pickaxe.) Or the old guy in the factory I used to work at who sliced his hand from the palm to halfway up his forearm and just wrapped it up with a shirt and kept going.
Fighting ultimately is about hurting the other guy to the point where he can't hurt you anymore. I don't like fighting someone who doesn't really acknowledge getting hurt.
@@willchurch8376 life makes us tougher for sure when its not an easy life.. Some of us felt that pain from babies just a few months old ... i was one of them .. i can sit here and tell you some crazy stories ... but people are judgmental.. so i keep them to myself .. but i will tell you i had surgery on my knee and i didn't take the drugs they were giving for the pain .. the doctors was saying i was crazy because i wasn't taking their drugs .. pain is there foe a reason to keep us from further injury numbing the pain might make it worse by not knowing to stop... that is what i told the doctors when they told me i didn't pic up the prescriptions of heroin and cocaine... They are drug dealers...
Jackie Chan worked on 1 or more Bruce Lee movies. He considered Lee as his older brother.
But against any other actor, he would've done almost as well as Lee.
Bruce Lee could beat William Zabka, Martin Kove, John Carradine (Carradine is a wimp and a perv), Sylvester Stallone (maybe), Keanu Reeves (I think), Patrick Swayze, Donnie Yen, Jackie Chan, Yuji Okumura, Bruce Willis, and of course, Ralph Macchio (EASILY). 😁😁😁
Bruce Lee vs. Pat Johnson would be interesting…. Not sure there…. Same deal with Jason Statham. Pretty sure Carl Weathers could take Bruce Lee, but I am not 100% sure. Actually, I might be wrong about that, but Carl was VERY muscular…. Seagal and Lee would have been on more of an equal footing, I think. If Bolo trained more in martial arts, Bolo Yeung could have held his own against Bruce Lee. Arnold Schwarzenegger vs. Bruce Lee, wow…. I mean, I would pay good money to see that fight. Thing is, Arnold really wasn’t a “fighter”…. Wesley Snipes vs. Bruce Lee = Also unsure. Ron Thomas might put up a good fight against Bruce, also not sure…
Marshall Teague would probably beat Bruce Lee. Obviously Michael Jai White would beat Bruce. Same deal with Scott Adkins, Benny Urquidez (that guy was INSANELY, MIND BLOWINGLY TOUGH), Anthony De Longis, Dolf Lundgren, Mr. T., Ong Soo Han, Dwayne Johnson, Vin Diesel (probably, not sure), Randy Couture, Terry Crews, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan/Terry Bollea (OBVIOUSLY), Matt Mullins, eh, lots of really big/lean/tough guys, basically, that are also actors.
Coach, your friend Jordan (former Red Chuck) did a video about "Bruce is a fighter". His assessment was Bruce had more fight we didn't know (my guess would be either street fight or underground fight). I agree with him (particularly considering the environment he was in).
I think Bruce had way more "real" fight experience than we can verify, but unfortunately we would never know.
I grew up in a scenario where I experienced a lot of street fighting… as a fighter and as an observer. If you didn’t grow up this way you might not realize what you’re sensing about the guy, but certain true bad asses who ALWAYS dominated in street fights carry a rare type of attitude. Watching and listening to Bruce’s interviews it’s very easy for me to spot. Bruce had the experienced street fighter’s attitude. Bruce was a bad ass and I’d venture to guess he knew quite a number of other bad asses when he was growing up in Hong Kong.
Ramsey, just because he wants to be great actor doesn't mean he CAN'T BE A GOOD FIGHTER. He knocked out Nakachi in 11 seconds. Despite wanted to be good actor, Bruce was real deal. Notice you don't talk to his former students. They all said he was real deal.
All my students think I’m the bees knees too. That’s usually how student/teacher relationships work in martial arts training. I bet your mother thinks you are pretty special too!
@Ramsey Dewey You pissed off, bitch? What you said is exactly my point, Bruce's students know Bruce and vice versa but you so full of yourself kid need growing up. The truth about Bruce is with his former students, but you don't want to go there. Disrespectful
eddie the fanboy is back. I'm still waiting for you to name a credible fighter that admitted to losing a full on fight to Bruce ??? You seem to be avoiding that one 🤣🤣
I'll let you save face though eddie. As you have FAILED to answer that one, instead you can tell me your favourite REAL fight of Bruce that you have seen ??
Fair enough ??
Bruce Lee vs Mastha Wong, winner gets to kick Ramsey.
Bruce Lee stated that he was a martial artist first then an actor. Joe Lewis didn't think he was just an actor or he would not have trained with 'just an actor'.
As a martial artist that is you first and foremost however else you earn a living. If you don't put it first you don't get far and nobody got further than Bruce Lee. Chuck Morris said Bruce Lee was completely devoted to martial arts. The acting came a long way behind and if he hadn't done that we probably would never have heard of him and martial arts would have remained in the dark. Very few people knew anything about it before Bruce Lee. You couldn't find a club or dojo and nobody had heard of Kung Fu.
Nobody would have trained with Bruce if he was bullshit or just an “actor” all the proof of his legitimacy is staring people right in the face but for whatever reason people have this absurd agenda against him.
Correct Joe said, "Bruce was not a fighter, he was a teacher"
As Bruce Lee fan and a fight fan, even I know he couldn't win against a professional world champion fighter. I knew back then and I know now.
you are a fan but do you fully understand his martial art skills, sports not the same as real
@@joseortega4395 Another fanboy with the "tournaments have rules" excuse.
no doubt when you reply I will get the "No camera phones back then" excuse and "listen to testimonies".
Thank you! Right off the bat, I am so glad you made that statement about Bruce Lee ONLY being an Actor/Philosopher/Teacher.
Bruce Lee was untouchable, unbelievable. Jim KELLY said.
Who did Jim say that he saw Bruce take on in a real fight ?
Chuck beats Bruce, because Chuck learned a reasonable amount of Judo when he was a military policemen, so he has more than just striking skills. Van Damme probably has a significant weight advantage, so I'd give him a very good chance, plus some real kickboxing matches to his name. Tony Jaa has a Muay Thai background and would give Bruce a rough time. Scott Adkins is physically bigger and stronger and has a well rounded training background. Michael Jai White would overpower Bruce, with his strength, skills and deep menacing voice. Steven Seagall would anhillate Bruce in an eating contest. Not sure about Jackie Chan or Donnie Yen. Just calling it as I see it, and happy to be convinced otherwise by compelling evidence. Cheers.
Also, Bruce Lee is dead.
Donnie yen in his prime is very athletic. ruclips.net/video/srQSr-dGVEk/видео.html . Tyson even said that he is also effective in a street fight.
@@greatneos Fair play, maybe he has an edge on Lee.
Bruce lee in a ring with benny the jet ,that would be interesting!
Joe Lewis had the style closest to Bruce, so I would like to see them fight. Bruce wasn't a fighter by trade but be was an extreme trainer/pioneer of the combat arts. He trained to fight, that's why he used armor when he sparred. I've seen Bruce's bag work, it looks a little sloppy. He had a right lead roundhouse kick that's like nothing I've ever seen. He has great balance, fantastic speed and trapping hands. I would say maybe Chuck Norris or Sammo Hung would have the best chance of beating Bruce Lee. Bruce had a very big ego and a fire inside him. He would not go down easy. Tony Jaa would confound him at first, in my opinion. Jackie is not nearly mean enough. No Segal, no JCVD, no Donnie Yen and no Jet Li. I choose Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris and Sammo Hung...in that order of his peers. Master Lee is not to be underestimated, but my only doubts are in his chin. Mostly only Boxers have the most proven chins by default and none of these guys are Boxers, so...no real proof of any chin. And a punch in the gut will still hurt you real bad even if your name is Bruce Lee. But I would lay some serious money on the Dragon. Well, not that serious...a hundred dollars maybe Pay Per View. Lol! That said, I would NOT want to be the guy that has to step in the Ring and fight Bruce Lee. I think he's gonna have a bad day. And I honestly think Bruce Lee was a just little too mean for these other guys.
A big one not mentioned is Dolph Lundgren. Very legit in many ways as a fighter, and enormous size advantage. HUGE size advantage, with lots of strength and athleticism. I'd have to go w Dolph. But Dolph could likely also beat most action stars.
But in any case...if Bruce trained in today's MMA, he'd be quite scary. Even back in his day, he sparred with the best and incorporated functional arts into his fluid hybridization of fighting. His fluidity, movement, athleticism, instincts, and speed - esp his speed - no doubt complimented all of this.
Bruce Lee was 145 soaking wet so somebody like Michael Jai White would destroy Bruce. Everyone needs to stop being delusional about him being unbeatable and get more realistic about it
Muhammad Ali fought and won against opponents that were bigger than him so what u saying doesn't make sense
🤣 jai white fanboy
@@keroncelestinealtho u r partially right, the difference between Ali & Lee is far more significant than between Ali & his bigger opponents. Ali is about 68% bigger than Lee whereas Ali’s bigger opponents were only about 13% bigger than himself. So that’s a bad comparison
@@keroncelestineTrue look at Mike Tyson.
@@keroncelestine Ali proved himself as a fighter. Bruce never did.
Weight is the single largest factor. Many martial artists that worked with Bruce made the same observation: they couldn't touch him. The kid was fast. And he punched above his weight. But is that enough to overcome the weight disadvantage? We'll never know. But he was way ahead of his time. 10 more years and he would have been studying with the Gracies. And then the match ups all change. Sad we never saw it.
Also how much weight
I think Bruce Lee vs Taimak would be interesting (the dragon vs the last dragon). Michael Jai White I think could beat Bruce but in maybe a showcase of skill and techniques would be interesting to watch also
Let's be real there's actually enough of these guys that we could pheasibly have weight classes and then host rematchs followed by catchweight super fights xD
I think jay white would straight up one hit ko Bruce
Bruce Lee was beyond Superman, and he had NO Kryptonite -
"such a massive weight advantage" 😁... He would eat Bruce Lee's punches and Bruce as well.
Damn, the First time, you kill all my jokes about the holy sacred church of JKD before I can type them in the video, Keep up the Good Work Coach Dewey.
Hmm. Steven Segal in his prime?
I think Steven might win based on size alone.
Edit:Oh, Ramsey got it. Not everybody can be Saenchai.
You need to do more research, Bruce Lee had real fights. There is a difference between prize fighting and real fighting. And Bruce didn't care about how big a man was. Any one who thinks because you're bigger you could win in a real fight is sadly mistaken. NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE YOUR APONNENT.
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That is a funny and reasonable question!
I agree almost everything aside Jackie Chan. He's a great athlete and stuntman, I assume he's confident with pain, that's a good factor in a fight.
I hope for a martial actor tier list now! :D
agreed when you see Jackie in his prime from 20 to 25 yo and his harsh physical training he would hold his own facing Bruce, it would be a difficult fight for both of them
Could any of these people counter Bruce's speed though? Apparently filmmakers had to ask him to slow down his kicks and punches to be able to be recorded; never heard that of anyone else. If that was true, i reckon Bruce Lee could've blitzed in and out of range to take out bigger, heavier opponents. He would turn the fight into a contest of speed; maybe along the lines of "fly like a butterfly sting like a bee" 🤔
Film makers asked EVERYONE to slow down for the cameras. They shot at 24 frames per second on old Fuji 3M film. Moving at normal speed for a punch or a kick doesn’t look anything under those conditions.
@@RamseyDewey Thanks for clearing that up, have always wondered about it.
Bruce was not invincible, but no one new how good he really was. Bruce had fights through his life and actually have hurt people." It's on record" would if you took the fight out of the ring and made it a street fight would that make a difference. There has been nobody in the the martial art that was quite like Bruce Lee. We can all talk about him and speculate. His martial arts was a way of live and he was inventing new methods to traning.
It’s not on record. It’s anecdotal.
The same people that think Bruce Lee is a badass are people that think they're a badass just by wearing a Bruce Lee t-shirt!
This guy is full of it the words of Jim Kelly bolo yeung and a few others in the fighting world about Bruce's abilities are good enough for me .
What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
To be fair the Chuck Norris interview I watched he seemed to be insinuating that Bruce Lee would beat his ass but that might have just been him not wanting to say he would kick a dead man's ass lol
Bruce Lee couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. That's why that's saying was made. It was made for Bozo's like him that never had a real fight in his life.
He was just a ballerina
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed whatever you say kid
@@diogenes42069 before you call someone like me a kid, learn to put your real name out here Malaka!
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@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed whatever you say kid
@@diogenes42069 ok son go tell your mother I'll be home later going out with your aunt for a few hours
The first few seconds in and you start with the just an actor bull. This has been the narrative for to long. I can’t for the life of me understand how you all who say this don’t see what I see when I see his , speed, flow, technique, and confidence. I train in martial arts. And people who do know what to look for. Many men get in their feeling and say 💩 to make themselves look good. Just think some kids 40 years from now will say he could beat Floyd Mayweather and people during that era will believe him. GTFOH
When you said Chuck would beat Bruce I knew there were problems in your analysis. You place emphasis on “professional experience” rather than knowledge, training, and talent. Guys with speed like Bruce see fights very differently. It’s like QBs with great accuracy who see openings in the defense that they can exploit where other QBs don’t. And to stay on the football analogy, gifted hand speed and kick speed in martial arts is like foot speed in football. It can’t be coached and it changes the game. It’s interesting to me that the most vocal critics of Bruce Lee don’t have hand speed and the most supportive of Bruce Lee among the professional fighting class are guys who knocked a lot of people out.
Chuck Norris is on video admitting that he never fought in a street fight in his entire life. Dan Inansonto is on camera stating that Bruce pulled him aside once and singled out Mike Stone & Joe Lewis as real fighters and said to Dan he had no confidence in Chuck as a street fighter compared with them. (With apologies to bad ass Chuck Norris we don’t know that this was Bruce’s final conclusion on Chuck but just that it was at one time purportedly stated) Interesting that you think Chuck would defeat Bruce based on your fight game analytical methodology. I seriously doubt you had much experience in street fights before you started training.
In my experience some people are born fighters and only some of them desire to fight for a living. Many professional fighters are low in talent. The champions all have talent, but even then, some have exceptional talent that jumps off the screen….. Roy Jones, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao, Inoue, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Ali, …….
Bruce had that kind of talent.
Also, you claim to have read Tao of Jeet Kune Do but I’m doubtful that you comprehended it well because you should have been able to discern that much of what Bruce Lee selected as either developed or adopted techniques are unquestionably effective and much of what he rejected is less than optimal for street fighting.
The man could have chosen any weird eclectic combination of styles imaginable and he chose to merge martial arts kicks (as well as Savate kickboxing) with western boxing. How could you even question that this man understood fighting from the perspective of a real fighter ?
Professional experience clearly carries advantages into street fights. There’s no question. But nevertheless, professional fighters are just as susceptible to being damaged in a street fight against a talented and trained opponent as any other human on earth.
I think you and some others I’ve seen don’t understand that there are people in the world who are highly athletic who also train for street fights.
I don’t think Bruce easily defeats any human he faces. But I understand he was highly exceptional compared to all norms.
I could see Bruce getting hurt in a fight. But that’s not the same as thinking he was not a formidable opponent because he stopped his martial arts career short of stepping in a boxing ring.
You make light of his sparring but Bruce was sparring with karate black belts and in some cases future kickboxers.
Remember, Benny the Jet, Joe Lewis, Bob Wall, were all martial artists on the same level as Bruce Lee running in the same circles before they became professional kickboxers. Would you say they weren’t real fighters in that time frame just prior to going full contact ?
Bruce was a real fighter who had one level left to go in his training but he had a different destiny. And the world is better for it.
Bruce calling Chuck a non fighter is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Any of the actors with actual documented fight experience beat Bruce Lee.
Bruce lee was invincible, Even you master Dewey would taste the heel of his iron foot!!🦶
ffs grow up
You're obviously pretty ignorant about Lee. None of them can even rival him, but even if he can't beat anyone, he can definitely beat you. Sitting in his hot seat discussing Everest of martial arts Mr. Little Hill :))
Are you sure?
Ramsey Dewey has had multiple pro fights and is a coach in MMA...
Chuck Norris is Master in TaeKwonDo, Karate and BJJ, and world champion, he takes this.
He also defeated Goku
That's a pretty honest break down. The two fights i'm most interested in is the one between Donnie Yen and Tony Jaa. I think both of these fights would be super close and the fighter who had the biggest will to win that day, will win. So, yes the will to win is another factor you forgot to mention Ramsey.
Interesting concept.
If there actually was a martial arts tournament now between martial arts actors and it was on video I would watch it.
I think Bruce could beat Sammo Hung since he was around during Bruce's era.
It would be interesting to see him fight Jim Kelly, or Bob Wall during that time as well.
Speak of the devil I found a video game called Shaolin vs Wutang vs the world and it has a ton of actors from the 70's and 80's in a fighting game with their moves, costumes, music, dubbed sound effects that look like the actors you will recognize in marital arts movies. I found it on the PS5.
jim kelly in an interview alluded to the fact bruce would beat him. and told of fights he saw in person that legitimized bruce for him. but he cant mention names apparently ahah.
Man if you only knew how much you had helped me
The real answer is, we will never know
We will never know. But Ramsey Dewey would bet his life on bruce beating everyone on this list, I'd bet my life on that.
Have you seen Joe Lewis comments on Bruce and him hitting like a heavy weight. There are other well known Martial artists who comment on how good Bruce was. How about the fact that Bruce had schools with high paying clients before he even made his first movie.
That was simply Lewis's way of saying that Bruce hit hard for his size. But you're taking it far too literally. But even if that were literally true it's still doesn't mean he could TAKE hits like a heavy weight! Lol.
The truth of the matter is there's a huge gulf between people that train hard and fight a little and people that train as professionals and fight all the time. Bruce was the former. He would not be able to keep up with the latter.
He lost to Cliff Booth.
So the question is mostly answered.
What? That is a movie
@@deedumeday518 And Bruce Lee is an actor.
@@Narguhl Bruce Lee did not play Bruce Lee in that movie. Also, he is deceased.
I think I agree with most of your guesses.
Bruce Lee would beat Jackie Chan and Jet Li.
JCVD and Steven Seagal just would be too big for him (tbf current Seagal gets out of breath by thinking about stairs. If we revive Bruce it's only fair to let everyone compete in their best shape, so we're talking about early 90s Seagal).
Chuck Norris would definitely beat him, especially after meeting the Gracies.
Donnie Yen is just more well rounded than Bruce was. I think he'd beat him.
Tony Jaa is fascinating, because he's an insanely gifted athlete, but as far as I know, he never competed in any form and he doesn't seem to know much grappling. I think Bruce might have a chance. Imo it's the most compelling match up.
He'd probably beat Jacky Wu Jing and Yuen Biao. I think they are on a level with Jackie Chan or Jet Li.
Sammo Hung would destroy Bruce Lee! He has the weight advantage and, similar to Donnie Yen, has trained in different combat sports.
Dolph Lundgren, Scott Adkins and Michael Jai White would be too big and strong for him. Not a chance!
Jason Statham is too athletic and too good on the ground. Bruce would lose.
I'll finish with someone he'd probably beat: Iko Uwais.
If we consider tournament in their prime. Final will be MJW and Dolph. Size adv. And Dolph have big competition experience. Scot Adkins isnt so big about 170 pound. Similar size to Statham. But still about 30lbs more than asian actors. As a oponents for bruse we must consider assian actors. There are smaller. And even that prodably win only Tony Jaa. Thai training is close to real fight and there are many sparings.
@@gooru20 MJW is a big dude, but I think Dolph would absolutely destroy him. All that Kyokoshin training...I think MJW would have a hard time hurting him, and we know from Stallone that Dolph can hit like a truck.
It also depends on the conditions they would fight in. Bruce had the conditioning of a marathon runner, plus he was well versed in weapons and sword fighting. With swords and spears in their hands everything would change. You also have to consider that smaller fighters are forced to think better than bigger fighters.
it's overblown how Seagal is treated by the internet. Seagal has a thyroid condition that caused him to gain weight.
@@yogurt_junior I don't know what Dolph's weight was at his prime, I'm going to guess probably around 235, and probably close to single digit BMI. Anything can happen in a fight, but with a 100 pound weight advantage, and an insane strength and reach advantage, he's winning 95 out of 100. I wouldn't agree with the idea that small fighters have to think better than bigger fighters. There are weight divisions in every type of organized fighting for a reason. Fighters train to fight other guys in their same size bracket. There aren't any lightweight pro fighters out there training to take on heavyweights.
I always liked the story from Chuck Norris about Bruce Lee calling him to ask him to be in a fight scene with him and Chuck jokingly asking him "well, who will win?" and Bruce laughed "me of course, I'm the main character!"
Is there anyone that could legitimately challenge Dolph Lundgren
Mike Tyson, Francis Nangu, Julius Hapthor Bjorn
@@gatorcroc7212 Mike Tyson isn't fighting in this tournament man xD
I would kick his ass
Among martial arts actors, Lundgren is likely the best fighter because of his size and strength advantage, but pound for pound, I would say that Ernie Reyes, Jr. from the original NINJA TURTLES, SURF NINJAS and THE RUNDOWN was better. He fought professionally in Muay Thai and knocked out the ISKA and WKA World Champion in his weight class in a non-tile bout in the third round.
@@DavidHughesKJN So I see that you gave more credit to the person who actually physically accomplished something in fighting.
This is why I tell you that. Bruce Lee is the most overrated Non-fighter on the planet
Not only was he fast with punches and kicks but with all his body
I read Chucks autobiography and he and Bruce did indeed spar. This was before Bruce got into Hollywood. Norris said Bruce was pretty good but didn't know how to kick yet... and that's when Bruce started learning to kick. Apparently the martial arts he originally trained in was hands only.
it was wing chun . bruce lee primary art was wing chun.
Wing Chun has attractive kick's..watch them up man was no joke
No this was not before Bruce got into Hollywood. he stated that the sparring was situational and not hard. Bruce already knew how to kick...it was more that Chuck showed him they work and how to set them up.
@@cuzz63 I must recall it differently. It was a long time ago when I read it. But i stand corrected.
@@dymitchell its no big deal. Alot of people arent aware of how bad Bruce struggled with his back for years..he wasnt fighting or hard sparring with anyone after that.
I will start this by saying I am huge Bruce fanboy, and he's the reason I started martial arts, he was a man ahead of his time. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. Now, that being said I say he can take Jackie, and Jet. Donnie would be super interesting if it stayed standing. On the ground Donnie is a purple belt in BJJ so big advantage there. Standing it goes either way or Donnie wins. JCVD I'm not sure. He has the size advantage. Sagal has a massive size advantage over everyone. If this was done tournament style, the most interesting match up to me would be Chuck Norris vs Tony Jaa. Factoring that everyone would be at their peaks, I lean slightly towards Chuck. I'd also take Chuck over Bruce in a good fight. It would be a standing Karate vs kung Fu fight (like Wonder Boy vs Kevin Holland) but if Chuck closes the distance people maybe not realize that besides being a karate champion he was also a black belt in judo. I am a karateka an as a bigger guy the toughest for me to spar are the smaller faster opponents. If they tag me it won't hurt but they can and have and it's irritating. Could throw you off your rhythm. Always good to spar with a variety of opponents different sizes, shapes, and skillets 🙂. Sidenote, if these fights take place in an IKEA furniture store then Jackie wins them all 😆
Norris was the best point fighter in the 60s. Tony Jaa is no fighter. Norris would have beaten Jaa easily. Of course, you can´t compare them because Norris is 82 years old.
How are they fighting and for what goal?
My father always told me that 9 times out of 10 a good big man will beat a good small man. In my youth, I sparred full contact with a new guy in our Kung Fu studio. I squared off with him. He looked fat and slow to me so I thought I would toy with him a little. He hit me square in the chest with a spinning back kick that I'm still looking for. It knocked the air out of several of my ancestors. I went flying into a wood post. I woke up to my Sifu chewing me out saying something about "long foot". He had a heavy Chinese accent, he meant "wrong foot." At the time I was so out of it I kept looking at my feet trying to figure out which one was long. Gotta watch those big guys, they ain't slow.
You would have to hit a fire plug like Chuck Norris pretty damn hard to knock him out of the game.
Why do people like you insist on going on comment sections and spouting off these silly fricken stories? None of that happened. You are clearly lying. People dont get koed by a strike to the chest. Thats not how knockouts work in real life. Its just not.
I can't see it with Chuck. I don't want to take anything away from him but when I compare their technique side by side, Bruce's is just more crisp, quicker, more varied, more aggressive and often technically better. He seemed in much better shape and cross trained in way more styles (when Chuck was young). Even when watching their on screen fight, it just felt like Bruce was slowing down every time Chuck landed, as if he was saying "go on hit me" they also moved within a lot of the same circles and the way they all talked about Bruce, real masters of the day, suggested he was really that good. Chuck has fighting experience and it's true that would've taught him timing and confidence but the style was very point focused, like they were playing tag with their foot. I feel like if Bruce got inside and started throwing haymakers at Chuck, he'd be quickly overwhelmed.
JCVD would perhaps be more interesting if his record is true because he supposedly won many fights by KO.
That's all great dude, but Chuck Norris actually has a competitive fighting record. He was a Karate middleweight world champion, it doesnt matter what you think about their exhibition or choreograph techniques. One guy was an elite fighter and the other one has no professional fighting record.
@@retwerts I used to do a lot of points fighting when I was young. Then the first time some thug on the street went for me it was a rude awakening and felt like a completely different ball game. The same when I tried more full contact sports. Bruce definitely trained for full contact and realism even if he didn't compete. Nothing about the footage from Chuck's fights gives me the impression it'd be very effective in the real thing. I've seen far too many seasoned karate points fighters get schooled by boxers with a few month's experience just because they used to going all out in sparring.
@@jackslater5886 old school karate tournaments were not point sparring but closer to bare knuckle kickboxing with takedowns.
@@catocall7323 depends on the style of karate and the organisation. Chuck did do points fighting where one would land, the flag goes up, they restart. Also "bare-knuckle" only in that there are no gloves but punches to the face are stopped before making contact. Joe Lewis introduced continuous full contact after training with Bruce because he wanted something more true to real life fighting.