a STELVIO ride reveals the 2020 BMW S 1000 XR 's problem... [RAW Onboard]

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2020
  • The 2020 BMW S 1000 XR is such a stunning machine! It's hard to find another bike that ticks so many of my personal motorcycle boxes. But unfortunately it has one major flaw...as this ride up the legendary Stelvio pass without any traffic shows!
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Комментарии • 648

  • @rondar2
    @rondar2 3 года назад +130

    Looks like your girlfriend solved the blurry speedo problem.

    • @benwells2338
      @benwells2338 3 года назад +4

      She must have psychic energy, fixing electronic interferences merely by being present 😉

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +13

      ahahahaha what a comment :D

  • @phillipharding1538
    @phillipharding1538 3 года назад +5

    I have seen loads of vids of this road and it never fails to amaze me with the breathtaking scenery and hats off to the engineers. Great stuff cheers shaaf

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      thanks Phillip

  • @Deathgod2911
    @Deathgod2911 3 года назад +198

    i realized two things watching the video...i want a BMW S 1000 XR and a girlfriend

    • @SpecterSeventy2
      @SpecterSeventy2 3 года назад +4

      Meeeee too. 🥲

    • @nigelbradshaw8266
      @nigelbradshaw8266 3 года назад +28

      Ha! Getting the bike is the easiest part of that!

    • @Deathgod2911
      @Deathgod2911 3 года назад +3

      I love this community ^^

    • @mariohabinger378
      @mariohabinger378 3 года назад

      what would your wife say ... to the XR?

    • @Puddingtops
      @Puddingtops 3 года назад +14

      I’d like a girl friend as well but the wife wouldn’t be very happy 😃

  • @franzmaierl6497
    @franzmaierl6497 3 года назад +8

    Had a hard day ! But - thank you Schaaf , this video at the end of my day ........ just perfect ! This was my highlight today ! Thank you very much !!!!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Glad I could help!

  • @tommy605
    @tommy605 3 года назад +1

    I love your riding man, but my favourite part was how excited she was when you arrived at the top. True joy is hard to not smile at when you see it.
    Good job sir.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Couldn't agree more :)

  • @kugi7611
    @kugi7611 3 года назад +113

    FIrst of all it's good to see, that you are riding more carefully with a passenger.

  • @TheReni45
    @TheReni45 3 года назад +1

    I really like the BMW XR and I watched every review so far. After so many similar videos with basic specifications and poor opinions, HERE IT IS. Thank you Schaaf for your work, different from the others and so valuable for real life situations.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Glad you liked it!

  • @Jackman5698
    @Jackman5698 3 года назад +1

    Quick and smooth... amazing video as usual! That engine sound intermitently reflecting in the stone guarrails brought me there again :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Thank you very much! :)

  • @rickvandendolder3524
    @rickvandendolder3524 3 года назад

    Great video! The sound of that engine is amazing, especaily in high reffs!!!
    It just sounds so brutal.
    Love it!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      It really is!

  • @ericsquees
    @ericsquees 3 года назад +22

    8:16 Me: *cries with honda cbr 125 *

  • @bichin9469
    @bichin9469 3 года назад

    This is The vídeo i was waiting for jajaja, this actually answers a lot of what i asked you on instagram ! Thanks a lot man :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Happy to help!

  • @heikosommer715
    @heikosommer715 3 года назад

    Schaaf, wie immer SAUGUT! Vor allem hat mir dass mit den "Keyboard Warriors" gut gefallen ;-) Dein abschließendes Fazit bringt es bei aller Diskussionen einfach auf den Punkt!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Dank dir, Heiko!

  • @grh6439
    @grh6439 3 года назад

    Yes, a lot of work for the right hand but you ride and negotiate the switch backs really well. Thank you for another excellent video.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Many thanks!

  • @360Crank
    @360Crank 3 года назад

    Really enjoyed this video! The sounds the BMW make are quite intoxicating. You were blessed with very little traffic, unlike others in Stelvio videos I’ve seen. The one time I rode it (posted in another comment), we had a bit more traffic, but I just waited for the gaps and had a great ride... the others in my Edelweiss group just lined up behind the cars and followed them to the top. Not my idea of an epic ride. To my mind, the other side of the pass is the better road, but for a one-off, this side is certainly entertaining.
    And, as others have mentioned, the alternative to the XR is not the GS, but the 1290 GT. But I am a little biased. ;-)
    Also, having a “significant other” who is up for spirited riding is a blessing few riders share; I am also one of those fortunate people.
    Thanks again. Your video brightened my otherwise gloomy December day.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      thanks a lot Dan! Riding wise the other side definitely is more enjoyable. But I just had to show my better half the "iconic" side ;)

  • @matthieuaoun3555
    @matthieuaoun3555 3 года назад +2

    The smoothness of the video is very satisfying, nearly as much as riding IRL lol
    You should try french alps one day!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      I would love to and definitely will

  • @captaindeadpool4395
    @captaindeadpool4395 3 года назад +4

    U r a proper rider... Quick enough and safe when passenger s on so u both enjoy it ! Nice ride!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Thanks man

  • @subtlegroove9867
    @subtlegroove9867 3 года назад +1

    Schaaf, your video literally came to my rescue! I've been riding an MT-09 and seriously considering to switch to S1000XR because it seems to tick all boxes that I expect from my next bike; ergonomics (seating position, seat comfort & wind protection) to suit 3-4 hour mixed trips (highway and twisties) and enough low-down power to make me not regret selling a berserker like MT-09. Apparently S1000XR is more than I can expect in ergonomics dept. but I'll have to keep in mind that it may not be the beast that MT-09 is in tight twisties... Thank you very much for this very useful video!!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Welcome! I'm glad I could help!

  • @SindarinDraganias
    @SindarinDraganias 3 года назад

    Got the XR now I just need beautiful roads and someone to share them with. Thanks Schaaf!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Welcome! Enjoy the ride!

  • @patrykpizon
    @patrykpizon 3 года назад +1

    a geat video as always, keep it up man.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      thanks Patryk!

  • @picklemoto660
    @picklemoto660 3 года назад +1

    Wow, went from sunny/green to a cool town amidst the snow in 20 mins. Awesome!

  • @tonyalmeida9204
    @tonyalmeida9204 3 года назад

    I’ve ridden several of the passes (Grossglockner, Furken, St Gothard, Oberalpen etc) but so far not the Stelvio on a GS with a mate chasing me on an XR. On the flat he caught me easily but on the climbs he had absolutely no chance. I now have a K1600GT Sport. I haven’t taken it to mainland Europe yet but I have ridden the Scottish Highlands several times. What a revelation! Steep climbs, hairpins, whatever, this bike will deal with all of it. No lack of low end grunt, agile in the hairpins and goes like a train on the flat. The only downside (until you get used to it) is the weight. I sometimes miss my GS, but not often.
    Loved the XR when I tried it but in a choice between chain or shaft I’ll choose shaft every time (insert innuendo of your choice here).
    Great vid, look forward to the next one.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      thanks a lot Tony!

  • @pistolpete6321
    @pistolpete6321 3 года назад +1

    Amazing scenery, fantastic riding!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot Pete

  • @davidbrea4012
    @davidbrea4012 3 года назад

    As always, good video!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      thanks David

  • @tomov6524
    @tomov6524 3 года назад

    Hello there, I own 1200 GSA and KTM 1290 SA, and I can confirm nothing beats GSA in Alps. This summer I was following locals on XR and Superdukes very easily. GSA is fantastic bike with awful gearbox but luckily it's torqui enought you don't have to shift it too often. :). Congratulations for one more great and honest review.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Thanks for sharing

  • @jacquesm7678
    @jacquesm7678 2 года назад

    I rode the same route in 2018 on a R1200RS (in the rain) and it was superb. The torque and grunt was exceptional. I also rode the S100XR on the same trip and was suitably impressed. It is a machine

  • @bazza8947
    @bazza8947 3 года назад +2

    Would love to take my GS on this road as it would be perfect as you said!! So much mechanical grip with power exactly where you need it. Amazing views there!!!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Yes indeed!!

  • @sascha7169
    @sascha7169 12 дней назад

    Bin so hart am überlegen von der low rider s auf die s1000xr zu wechseln ........... deine videos machens einem nicht einfacher hahaha geiles video wie immer top gefahren und das mit sozius well done m8

  • @veljkovic92
    @veljkovic92 3 года назад

    It can't be perfect but it's amazing at what it's made for (both purposes of sport character and touring capability). So I do love it's nature of being calm down which is great for every day ride and touring (especially two up as its more comfortable when it pulls less in low rpm) but than if I want, high rpms do the turbo. 😀 I just love the way it is... Great video. 👍

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Kawasaki shows how to do it much better

  • @gokmachine
    @gokmachine 3 года назад +6

    At 7 minutes when you start to reach the tree line I can almost feel my legs getting colder like when really driving there up.

  • @joaorbrodrigues
    @joaorbrodrigues 3 года назад +24

    My wife was watching it by my side and got a little dizzy. lol

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +2

      Hahahaha

  • @hspd8607
    @hspd8607 2 года назад

    Dont you think a full sport exhaust and a ecu tune will give this bike more (enough) torque in the lower rpms?

  • @wim1676
    @wim1676 3 года назад

    Glad you are back on track schaaf, and you are absolutely right about the low rev incopetence of the xr, another one is absolute lack of engeine braken , almost an oldscool 2-stroke. BUT, I think your duo didn't complain (being used to losing pegs) AND I notice you are prudent, I use (without pillion) 1st a lot, same road, uproad and surely down, and then it's a totaly different story :) but agree, it's still a high rev sports engine.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      as you could see I was constantly using first

    • @wim1676
      @wim1676 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf My mistake, strange, on my 1st gen xr, I have to restrict it with back brake in 1st. Maybe it's the extra weight, or I'm slightly higher in rpm, but mostly on climbs like that I need to avoid unwanted wheelieing, (wich is why I don't use "pro" on roads like this) but you are absolutely right it is not comparable in easiness climbing hairpins compared to the good old z1000sx my girlfriend rides, she does the same at the same speed without bronco exits with ease in 2nd.

  • @jarosawskrzypek1373
    @jarosawskrzypek1373 Год назад

    When going on some higher altitude passes, it would be helpful to know when the video was recorded to have some perspective on snow conditions and traffic. This ride was very nice in terms of traffic, very little. In August it is very busy. Do you remember when was it?

  • @DGBomber
    @DGBomber 3 года назад +31

    Yes, like you said, in this particulart scenario (slow hairpins with a passenger) the boxer is better, but for me those are not the reasons why I love riding a bike :D
    In every other case I much prefer the XR to the GS, it's faster, more exciting and still super comfy, this is why I switched :)

    • @subtlegroove9867
      @subtlegroove9867 3 года назад +3

      Can you comment on the bike comfortwise? I've been considering to switch to S1000XR from my MT-09 because 3+ hour trips are obviously painful on a naked bike; I definitely want wind protection as well as a comfy seat & handlebar. Until watching this, it seemed to me that only S1000XR would match the "fun" factor of MT-09 but now I have second thoughts because my regular routes include a lot of twisties, if not as sharp as Stelvio. It would be great to hear the thoughts of an actual S1000XR owner before investing into my next bike!

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 3 года назад +5

      @@subtlegroove9867 Check out the Tracer 900 or the new Tracer 9, it's literally the same style of bike as the XR, but with the MT-09 motor. As for BMWs, I would grab a R1250RS for tight twisties like this, same boxer twin as the GS, but a little smaller and much more pavement focused.

    • @DGBomber
      @DGBomber 3 года назад +12

      @@subtlegroove9867 I hear you, I come from a naked myself, an S1000 R. I needed more comfort so I had a Superduke GT, a GS, and now the new XR.
      The XR is the most comfortable after the GS, I can ride it all day long. I live in Italy so we have a lot of twisties, and the bike rides like a supernaked, light, stable and with tons of power and torque from 4000 revs up to 11000.
      It's so much fun.
      I personally never go under 4000 in the twisties, and bear in mind that Schaaf had a passenger too.
      So in the end, if you ride a lot with a passenger in really slow roads the GS (or the RS) is better, and in general the boxer engine is easier to use. But in any other case, the XR is better.
      This is my opinion of course.

    • @subtlegroove9867
      @subtlegroove9867 3 года назад +2

      @@DGBomber Mate, thank you very much for your detailed comment! I really appreciate it!

    • @DGBomber
      @DGBomber 3 года назад

      @@subtlegroove9867 no problem I'm glad if I could help you :)

  • @V4Rider
    @V4Rider 3 года назад +1

    Beautiful road and scenery mate!
    Time to buy the VFR and ride the V4 vtec hard on those twistys 😁✌

  • @Champion2Manager
    @Champion2Manager 3 года назад

    It’s sounds very smooth, a quality bike right there !

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      it sure is!

  • @petervautmans199
    @petervautmans199 3 года назад

    Love your videos,
    U can do most of the stelvio in first gear!!
    I love my xr, it is my first bike, learned to ride on it and did 27500 kms in my first year, all year round commute to Brussels.
    And because i am 1m90 and 115 kg, with gear, paniers, laptop,.. it is like i'm riding with a pillion.
    Has been the perfect bike for me

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Awesome!

  • @Hillclimbfan1990
    @Hillclimbfan1990 3 года назад +1

    Ooooeeehh Schaaf in love? You deserve it. You passenger seems to be blocking your audio equipment a bit though haha

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Hahaha she does but I guess that's quite a decent price to pay ;)

  • @redfive5123
    @redfive5123 3 года назад

    As always, great video Schaaf! Glad you could enjoy the Stelvio with your girlfriend!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Thanks! 👍

  • @sfk9935
    @sfk9935 3 года назад +1

    Nice video as always have a nice ride. When and if possible can you test a fjr1300 on those twisties.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      thanks ruclips.net/video/A_lVU5NGIUY/видео.html

  • @Tibooore
    @Tibooore 3 года назад

    Beautifull! The scenery and also the riding. Really good skills. My wife would be afraid of riding like this 🙂

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      she was complaining I was way too slow lol

  • @VITORB82
    @VITORB82 3 года назад +11

    I'd pay for a ride with Schaaf. But it would have to be one of those that the speed thing gets blurred.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +5

      My girl likes those the most as well ;)

  • @mrlawyer4271
    @mrlawyer4271 3 года назад

    This is my dream bike. Thanks for the video.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      No problem 👍

  • @ferreirix69
    @ferreirix69 3 года назад

    Hi 🙋🏻‍♂️! Nice ride! Is your exhaust stock? I also have a 2020 doesn’t sound so great.

  • @ralphstarringer6519
    @ralphstarringer6519 3 года назад +1

    Schönes Video, schönes Motorrad.
    Danke!

  • @javierb2938
    @javierb2938 3 года назад

    Great video, again. I was going to ask, and you mentioned the ninja in the video; what would be the best for you (since you have testd the 3 of them) for these roads type slow + curvy, fast swipes and little highway but including trips: S1000 XR, MTS 950 & the kawa 1000 sx. The lasty one is starting to tickle me!

  • @lordofbasement
    @lordofbasement 3 года назад

    A long first gear and dont forget the Powerdrop on altitude:
    My GS did wheelies on the first hairpins but on altitude i could "einschenken" and the frontwheel was nailed to ground :-)

  • @dallas0815
    @dallas0815 3 года назад +3

    this video gives a great insight into the engines characteristics. thanks s lot!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Welcome!

  • @theheroblob5036
    @theheroblob5036 3 года назад +3

    It looked like you had one very happy passenger at the end there! 😁

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +3

      Well spotted! Getting to share this experience like that makes it 5 times more enjoyable :)

    • @theheroblob5036
      @theheroblob5036 3 года назад +1

      @@Schaaf i agree. I'm looking forward to a Euro trip with my g/f next summer!

  • @curnobullen
    @curnobullen 3 года назад

    Great video. I agree with you , I have a 2020 XR and below 4000rpm the torque is not good , anything above 4000 rpm is brilliant.I think the XR can do with a shift cam engine. I still love the XR and every time I ride my XR I have a big smile.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Right on

  • @Elvince1981
    @Elvince1981 3 года назад +2

    Hi Schaaf,
    great video again, as usual. To get your honest opinion, would you rather go with the R1250RS or the S1000XR? Thanks!

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      excellent question and hard to choose. I'd take the XR though because apart from the non existent torque it does everything else perfectly

  • @SB-Kiwi
    @SB-Kiwi 3 года назад

    Yep. Noticed it a lot when I hoped off my 17 XR to test ride the new one. Wooly AF way down in the revs.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for the confirmation

  • @radiocrash
    @radiocrash 3 года назад

    I have to agree. I was riding the Grimsel pass in Switzerland on an S1000R with my girlfriend on the back. There was times I could really feel the motor was struggling to pull the tightest uphill hairpins. I'm pretty sure a remap would solve the problem though. I've read the power nearly doubles at 50% throttle with a good remap.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Right on!

  • @TheOutdoorFun
    @TheOutdoorFun 3 года назад

    I agree. Need the shiftcam engine in the XR and R. I prefer the previous generation XR.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Shiftcam on the RR actually is active in the high rpm ranges :D

  • @RChuge
    @RChuge 3 года назад

    thanks 🙏 indeed the throttle response of some BMW, mainly straight 4,/6 are feels to the gas bowden would have made from rubber string. (I know these are ride by wire... ) It took me a half year to adapt but finally managed it somhow. Anyway I kept my KTM SDGT to compensating :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Haha well done ;)

  • @richie3602
    @richie3602 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for reminding me of when I was there - really brought back some great memories with my Dad.
    My question is would you rather this or the 1260S? I have a multi and would want to do the Stelvio, but i think too many tight twisties! :)

    • @buraqmejker
      @buraqmejker 3 года назад

      People do it on Goldwings. :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Yup. Every bike can do the Stelvio. I would choose the XR because I can live with the low torque but not with the spongy suspension of the 1260

  • @piggymito
    @piggymito 3 года назад

    I wonder if the low down tourqe issue is down to the active exhaust choking it at low revs. 🤔

  • @hansolo514
    @hansolo514 3 года назад

    I hope you can try soon the new Multistrada V4 in the same road (and post your video). I figure it could compete with the GS on those super-tight roads.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Unfortunately it won't. The testers already said it doesn't pull hard below 6K

  • @Growler4896
    @Growler4896 3 года назад

    Good to see someone reporting the same issue I had with an XR that I took on a test ride. You twist the throttle a little and basically nothing happens, then you have to keep twisting it for it to finally respond like you want it to. I thought maybe BMW programmed it this way since the bike was brand new. I guess it's always that way since Schaaf's bike is already broken in. It'll probably be ok once you get used to applying more throttle than you're used to. Pretty disappointing. I really want to buy one, but this issue may keep me from doing so. Who knows, if they come out with an all black model, maybe I'll give in and buy it! :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Below 4K rpm you can apply 100 percent throttle and nothing will change ;)

  • @lucasmartino8262
    @lucasmartino8262 3 года назад

    Thanks on another great video!
    I've been on a test ride with my wife and I've also noticed that low revs issue. But as I'll be riding like a grandpa with the pillion (wife) it doesn't bother me much.

    I haven't tried the old XR 2017-2020 with 165 bhp... does it behave the same as the new one on low revs? If you have even ridden it as slow as on this route :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      the old one has more OOMPH down low

  • @don8evolutiontheory
    @don8evolutiontheory 3 года назад

    Will a race tune fix this? I was under the impression that the Euro 5s has a bigger penalty for inline 4s.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      I wouldn't know

  • @brucekendall52
    @brucekendall52 3 года назад

    Its a wonderful bike even though it may lack a little low down punch but thats part of its character and you will then ride it accordingly,cheers.JHB-SA.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Exactly. I absolutely love the XR

  • @AWVerboom
    @AWVerboom 3 года назад

    I’m really curious what you would pick. I’m at the point where I am going to get a new bike. It’s either going to be a s1000xr or a r1250gs. However the gs is so hard to get in through my garden door. I will ride the bike everyday for business. What would you advice ?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      For daily commutes I'd get a 125cc scooter to be honest

  • @NorrieChristie
    @NorrieChristie Год назад

    Great video! Does anyone know if this low down torque issue got better with the 21 / 22 version ?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  Год назад

      I doubt it but it can be fix with new mappings

  • @mariofundrisi5122
    @mariofundrisi5122 3 года назад +1

    Finalmente una prova reale

  • @mandiwacker
    @mandiwacker 2 года назад

    Ich habe die XR und einen 1200 Boxer, vor der Kurve in den 1. schalten geht mit der XR gut, beim Boxer meine ich das Getriebe explodiert gleich. Schöne Aufnahmen und gut gefahren, danke fürs Vid!

  • @MyCarfinder
    @MyCarfinder 3 года назад

    Great video. I’m looking forward to riding the Stelvio Pass myself. I sold my 2019 BMW R1250 RT and bought a 2021 S1000XR. I’m enjoying the 115 lbs lighter weight of the XR and more nimble handling. I don’t carry a passenger so don’t miss the extra torque of the 1250. Would your feelings about the lack of low end torque of the XR change compared to the 1250 change if you’d been riding solo?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      definitely not. Torque-wise down in the low revs the 1250 is just on a different planet. But just read the comments here, with a reflash/retune of the XR you'll get quite a lot more torque down low

  • @wangchutamang3685
    @wangchutamang3685 3 года назад

    Man what a beautiful road that is !!!

  • @taol3944
    @taol3944 3 года назад +6

    i guess nothing happens under 4k is good for smooth filtering in city traffic ?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +14

      Not at all. I'd rather be able to have an INSTANT getaway in the city. If you need an engine like that for smooth filtering your wrist is the problem.

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 3 года назад

      Small bike with a punchy twin is the best for city riding.

    • @wim1676
      @wim1676 3 года назад

      Correct, it's able to get away if you can downshift fast enough, but for city use only, it's not much fun, better alternatives like small twins that respond immediately.

  • @nodruben
    @nodruben 3 года назад

    Did you try the triumph tiger? 3 cylinders more torque down there but nice sound of inline 3.
    I myself didn't try, just curious if it's better than inline 3 in this kind of scenarios...
    Nice ride and nice views :D

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Yes it definitely is better in a scenario like that

  • @GTMarmot
    @GTMarmot 3 года назад

    On old 4-cylinder bikes, different exhaust choices severely affected where the peak power was. Either in the low, middle or high rev range, e.g. a 4-into-1 could rob mid-range power. As that BMW has all those electronics and sensors, I don't know what might be the cause of the problem there.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +2

      Strict EURO emission laws probably ;)

  • @stefvdo
    @stefvdo 3 года назад

    At the end the main issue is: two cylinders more than it should 😁 very curius to see what the new multi v4 will be capable of! Hope you can bring it to the channel man! Stay safe

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +2

      I hope so. But I already can tell you that the V4 doesn't perform strong in the low revs either.

    • @stefvdo
      @stefvdo 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf I'm afraid so too and I've been spoiled by my sas 1290! Difficult to go down from there 😜

    • @jurck8330
      @jurck8330 Год назад +2

      @@stefvdo well not all inline 4 engines are weak down low...and even a V2 needs certain revs to stop stuttering and to "smooth out"...

  • @nigelbradshaw8266
    @nigelbradshaw8266 3 года назад +3

    I found the same riding my XR in the mountains with big twins. I’ve now got a Multistrada

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      Yeaaaa

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 3 года назад

      I wonder how well the new Multistrada V4 will do in this regard, I would expect a little bit of low end torque loss vs the 1260, but might not necessarily be that much.

  • @juniopavesi4141
    @juniopavesi4141 3 года назад

    Nice video! What about decibels? The xr seems quieter and more melodic than gs, at least at middle-high rpm.. I had an acoustic nerve disease so i use plugs and like bikes with a smooth sound..

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      I'd say it indeed is quieter in the low to mid revs

  • @bernhtp
    @bernhtp 3 года назад +1

    I always love your reviews.
    The 20 kph hairpins of Stelvio are certainly an extreme. How much of the issue is due to the lower speeds (and RPM) required by an otherwise screeching pillion? Or the extra weight on corner exit?
    My RR still has reasonable torque until you get down to around 3k RPM, but I would deal with the Stelvio hairpins with a bit more speed anyway. I imagine the RR's shiftcam also has some benefits here. I hope that BMW ultimately creates an M XR replete with shiftcam and the higher-revving engine internals of the RR. They may need this to compete with the upcoming V4 Multi.
    With that said, you don't formulate your product around the rare situation of Stelvio's ultra-tight hairpins.

  • @Alessandro-nu9kr
    @Alessandro-nu9kr 3 года назад

    Is the gearbox smooth? because i was told that bmw xr shifter gearbox is hard to operate, is this true?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      It's very smooth

  • @Hirschi667
    @Hirschi667 2 года назад

    I‘m about to get a new bike in spring, and the two bikes I‘m looking at right now are the S1000XR and the new Multi V4S. Would you mind giving your opinion on the two and the differences? Of course I‘ve watched nearly all V4S Videos on 1000ps, but I missed your opinion in the VS Vid of these two bikes ;)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  2 года назад

      that's a bit too much for a RUclips comment. But let's make it short: the V4S is better in every aspect besides consumption and wind protection.

  • @SpecterSeventy2
    @SpecterSeventy2 3 года назад

    Is the bike just that soft in the bottom end torque? ... or is there a little throttle delay partially to blame in the lacking bottom end?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      It is that weak

  • @Bikes-and-Bytes
    @Bikes-and-Bytes 3 года назад +1

    @schaaf - Curious if you think the new Ninja you rode recently or this is better (for on sealed road sport touring)?

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      The Ninja is better but I'd choose the XR.

    • @Bikes-and-Bytes
      @Bikes-and-Bytes 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf lol. Thanks.

  • @guyfazer
    @guyfazer Год назад

    Great video.
    I have the same problem with the 2021 S1000XR.
    The engine sometimes stops when I leave on a slope. ( With passenger and luggage. )
    We are no heavyweights, and with over 400.000Km. experience not inexperienced either. I can't even remember when I encountered this with my other motorcycles. I once rode an S1000RR - with passenger - and it had more bottom end torque than the S1000XR.
    Motorcycle is now always in dynamic pro mode, with as few restrictions as possible, but I only like it from 4000 rpm.
    It's a shame, because otherwise this is a good bike.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  Год назад

      try reading into the comments. Some people offered solutions with installing different mappings. I'm quite sure that would improve it a lot

  • @chipsthecount
    @chipsthecount 3 года назад

    That is why i would like to see an XR version of the boxer. Upright position, 17in front wheel with a bit of a longer front suspension travel.

  • @julienden4411
    @julienden4411 3 года назад

    My father had one last year and I felt that it has quite a good amount of torque down low, maybe it is because you are at high altitude but for me the major downside it that this bike is heating A LOT like as soon as you slow down it hits 100°C but appart from that really great bike.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      the old one has a lot more torque

  • @thelinux
    @thelinux 3 года назад

    Is it the engine or does the S 1000 R, for instance, perform any better (mapping)? I personally think this sort of power delivery is emotional as hell (like turbos in cars), but of course it's simply inferior to v twin rivals (or a GS) on these kind of roads.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      The old R performs way better. Which is obvious. Its engine doesn't need to comply with EURO 5 laws.

  • @peterwebster9381
    @peterwebster9381 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic weather was this recent

  • @gerokatseros
    @gerokatseros 7 месяцев назад

    Does it feel worse than the suzuki GT in those low rpms? I am interested in the GX that has the same engine as the GT.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  7 месяцев назад

      I can't say without a direct comparison. But it wouldn't surprise me if the Suzuki was doing a bit better down low

  • @Dailyrider94
    @Dailyrider94 3 года назад

    amazing bike and it must be so much fun on the long and clear road but with police flashing and such the fun has turned for me in these small roads with the gs that has torque :)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Plenty of fun still out there as long as you stay away from busy roads

  • @herbaderpderp1663
    @herbaderpderp1663 3 года назад

    Question - have you ever done a new (or even old for that matter) Raw V-Max video?? I would LOVE to see (and hear) that. Especially if one say, had a different than stock exhaust. You could do a few, one on the Stelvio...one on one of those other fast twisty roads you ride. Two videos each, first gen and 2nd gen.
    Maybe you've said it somewhere else too, but I'm curious what you'd own if you could only have one bike.
    Love the videos...thanks for all those! :-)

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      Unfortunately I haven't and I never will ruclips.net/video/A_lVU5NGIUY/видео.html

    • @herbaderpderp1663
      @herbaderpderp1663 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf Wow...thanks for actually replying. Love the answer format too. :-)
      I sent a link to my bro-in-law to your videos. He's impressed by your smoothness. He's been riding a long time and thoroughly enjoyed it.
      :-( Too bad no V-Max...hard to find a good "raw" video on those. Maybe someday...or not, since it's a dead bike now.

  • @flamby357
    @flamby357 3 года назад

    that's why i love so much my big single cylinder on roads like this !

  • @riccardosbarra
    @riccardosbarra 3 года назад

    The problem that is weak at low revs can be the exhaust system, the catalytic converter of modern bikes are keen to weaken the low revs, same as for the aprilia tuono, the earlier models where almost empty below 6k rpms

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      the actual problems are EURO-5 emission laws

  • @thanosferrarichanel
    @thanosferrarichanel 3 года назад +1

    I believe that since the xr has the same engine as the s1000rr, it also has the huge restrictions from the ecu that the s1krr comes with. Probably with a proper tune it will be much more powerful in the low gear-low rpm senarios

  • @mariocampana3742
    @mariocampana3742 3 года назад

    Der Schaaf fährt einfach eine prutale saubere und sichere Linie und dass bei der Geschwindigkeit 👍👍👍👍

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      dank dir, Mario

  • @DeusRides
    @DeusRides 3 года назад +1

    I rode the previous model (with the dynamic pro mode) on Stelvio back in 2019. I rented it for a trip to Europe since it has the same engine as my 2018 S1000R and thought that it would be familiar but much more comfortable. And I was right on that aspect but felt similar. In order to work those tight turns, you need to rev it much higher than other Adv bikes. Plus the weight did not help. In the S1000R it works great, but for the XR, it needs more torque. If BMW refreshes it with the engine of the 2020 S1000RR, with the variable valve timing it might work better. And regarding the GS, I still prefer the Africa Twin. :) Cheers.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      I've been told that those variable valves in the RR actually provide more power in the high revs. They don't do anything down low.

    • @DeusRides
      @DeusRides 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf I think you are right.

  • @smeggysmeg2837
    @smeggysmeg2837 3 года назад

    gearing change perhaps might help? not like gearing it down would hurt the top end all that much bc no one uses the full power on these anyway…

  • @truthseeker4823
    @truthseeker4823 2 года назад

    Did you changed the gearing meantime like -1 at front and + some teeth on the rear sprocket? If yes how did it feel? Did you miss the higher top speed? :D

  • @sv7017
    @sv7017 3 года назад

    Glad you found a partnership Austria couldn't offer.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      In this case Germany to be precise hahaha

  • @SiegtalFabbes
    @SiegtalFabbes 3 года назад

    What do you think of the Tracer 900GT in "comparison" to the XR for example ? I really like the looks and the seating triangle on the Tracer. Thinking about getting one as my second.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад +1

      The tracer is great but worse in every aspect. Except for more low end torque. And this could be reason enough for the Yamaha

    • @SiegtalFabbes
      @SiegtalFabbes 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf atm I ride a Bandit 650 and with a passenger on you really have to wind her out. I always liked the Tracer and with the GT Model with its benefits really shine to me. Great looks but not too powerful as a second bike. Maybe one day as the prices drop low enough for me to get one 👍

    • @360Crank
      @360Crank 3 года назад

      My wife and I rode a Tracer GT on the North Coast 500 last year (rented) and although the engine was fine, the suspension was way too soft for two-up. Our normal ride is a 1290GT, which is much more firmly suspended, and therefor confidence inspiring, but is also a premium-priced bike like the XR, so we would expect that. But we simply could not live with the Tracer GT, it was that bad. On the other hand, we got along well with an Africa Twin the week before, riding in Ireland. Yamaha has the next generation of the Tracer coming up, so perhaps the mushy suspension has been fixed? (And, yes, we had the preload cranked to the max.) That’s one couples experience, for you, at least.

  • @Nicko_1
    @Nicko_1 3 года назад +4

    Don’t forget you’re at high altitude. I guess that’s the characteristic of the BMW super bike engine that was tuned for more mid range and top end power

    • @SH-rp1ft
      @SH-rp1ft 3 года назад

      Doesn't the bike adjust for the fuel air ratio automatically? Not completely sure about that though...

    • @Nicko_1
      @Nicko_1 3 года назад

      @@SH-rp1ft yeah it does, but if you have less oxygen available per volume of stroke...

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      it is a characteristic which doesn't make much sense on a touring bike ;)

  • @rexleen3585
    @rexleen3585 3 года назад

    Well, wonderful view!

  • @sirrevzalot
    @sirrevzalot 3 года назад

    The addition of a passenger is a great thing to see from a testing point of view. After watching, the following question came to mind:
    Does Dynamic ESA and DTC have a greater impact on power delivery than we first realized? In other words, what if the bike's ECU responded to the additional weight of a passenger by mitigating throttle response at low engine RPM? If so, I can see how high-altitude fuel/air mixture could exacerbate the issue as well.
    Perhaps it's a stupid question. Either way, I'm intrigued by your experience and interested in your thoughts.

    • @Schaaf
      @Schaaf  3 года назад

      I wouldn't know. But I do know that it's probably meant to be like that. To get through EURO 5. It would be very interesting indeed to learn what's possible with a bit of manipulation

    • @sirrevzalot
      @sirrevzalot 3 года назад

      @@Schaaf I heartily agree. Besides the question, another well done wideo. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.