Putting nose up misconceptions? - tech disc tests

00:02 - Spush with low loft
00:07 - Spush with mild loft
00:15 - Spush with higher loft
00:23 - Low ceiling spin putt
00:31 - Low ceiling spin putt ex 2
00:38 - True nose up explanation
Many times when people call a putt nose up, it may not actually be nose up, but instead is closer to a neutral nose angle or slightly nose down but with a high enough launch angle to still float up with the flight plate exposed.

[@LuckyDogwood]

I always wondered how big jerm did this, he is crazy good at it so it can definitely be useful if practiced, very cool!

[@deeteeohbee6794]

I'm in my 40s and have been playing frisbee golf for around 25 years but we use ultimate frisbees, and just one frisbee for the whole course, drives, approaches, putts, you name it. When we throw nose up we are basically pushing down on the top of the frisbee with our thumb as we release it. Depending on the angle of release and how much juice you give it with your thumb you'll get an airbounce or a flat shot that coasts at a consistent level. Seems like a similar technique but I really focus on the release with my thumb.

[@disc-golf-neil]

Yes that’s definitely the same technique. Pushing down with the thumb encourages you to pronate the wrist. Moving the thumb deeper into the flight plate gives more pressure in the direction of pronation too because there’s more leverage there; if someone else was going to try to force you to pronate your wrist by pushing down on the top of the disc you are holding, they would be able to do it easiest by pushing down on the side furthest away from where you are gripping it due to more leverage, similar to the effect of a deeper thumb position giving the thumb more leverage to encourage pronation. Some people don’t realize this about the thumb, its position, and pressure and may accidentally be encouraging pronation and nose up on their drives. For drives I can press my thumb down as hard as I can without pronating because my thumb is above my index finger so it’s supported underneath and doesn’t create that leverage to pronate the wrist.
A lot of people’s nose up air bounce problems on drives are from this, they don’t even feel they are doing it, it’s just part of their ‘one smooth motion’ out of habit so it’s hard to change.
You don’t have to press much with the thumb to pronate though, you can just pronate the wrist directly, but pushing down with the thumb is an easier way for people to teach it to people who aren’t used to dynamically rotating their wrist in sports movements.

[@jarednotter1354]

Yeah this is very interesting. I trained myself to putt what i thought was nose down, and when i tested it with my techdisc it was -25°.

[@disc-golf-neil]

Did you mean to say nose neutral or you mean you thought you were doing only a little nose down?
The thing that is very confusing to people is that lots of people focus on the middle part of the flight near the apex.
A -25 degree spush putt with a launch angle around the same amount doesn't look nose down after it reaches the apex, it glides in a way that looks like a nose neutral glide at that phase of the flight. But it only does that because of the initial nose angle being as low as the launch angle is high.
If it was released nose neutral, by the time it reaches the apex, it will look more like a stalling nose up putt.
If actually released nose up, it will REALLY look like a nose up putt later in the flight and either stall out really hard or it won't even reach it's apex before going into the basket because it keeps floating up.

[@disc-golf-neil]

This first putt is a good example of a nose down spush putt. Based on the launch angle, the initial nose angle is probably in the -20s, but it balances out with the launch angle to glide after the apex in what looks like nose neutral glide by that point:
i.imgur.com/lW4q6DY.png
ruclips.net/video/3LZp2OCSrhM/видео.html

[@sergeygrabo]

It's interesting data. Maybe do it with a putter though? To be more relevant?

[@disc-golf-neil]

I don’t have a putter version so I can’t. Of course, that would be more ideal. But I doubt the putter is going to change the launch angle or nose angle or spin much, I’d expect it to mostly affect the speed due to a putter being less aerodynamic.